1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger. 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: This is Laura. In this episode we are going to 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: be talking about digital parenting, really tools to make parenting 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: and household management easier with a focus on tech. And 13 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: so we have covered the concept of tech and parenting before, 14 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: but more from the question of screen time rules with kids, 15 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: how to introduce phones and other technolog into our kids' lives. 16 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: So could do a shout out for episodes number three 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: six to three eight that ran in Believe June? Was 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: it Sarah June? 19 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: It was definitely summer and it was notable because I 20 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: think that was our first themed series that we did. 21 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,199 Speaker 1: It may have been and we talked about kids screen time, 22 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: I interviewed Devora Heidner, who is the author of an 23 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: awesome new book called Growing Up in Public. When we 24 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: talked to her, that book was not out yet, but 25 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: it is now, so you can go pick up a 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: copy and sort of especially if you've got tweens coming 27 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: into that sort of age where they are building their 28 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: own digital identities, and these identities can in fact follow 29 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: them around for the rest of their lives in a 30 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: way that those of us who grew up pre that 31 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: age have not had to experience this growing up in 32 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: Public in fact, so a lot of useful tips from 33 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: that book encouraging people to check that out. I don't 34 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: think you'd call yourself in early adopter, would you, Sarah? 35 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: I mean I was thinking about this, like yes and no. 36 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: I think I've become more and more resistant as I've 37 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: gotten older. When I was young, I actually was a 38 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: very early adopter because my mom was into computers. I 39 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: was like the first one with a printer at home, 40 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: and I'd bring in my like stapled stories and people 41 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: are like WHOA. I was very fast to know how 42 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: to type. I would like message on Prodigy and. 43 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: Like, say ten you had prodigies. 44 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was like an early adopter, like in 45 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: the eighties and nineties, but I've become more and more 46 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: curmudgeonly in my old age and more and more. I 47 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: remember when the iPhone came out, I thought it looked cool, 48 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: but I was like, oh God, oh God, I don't 49 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: want this. I don't want this. I'm sad about it. 50 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 2: And you know what, I still feel like I was 51 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: kind of right, Like I if I could, like I 52 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: don't know, go back to that time and let my 53 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 2: kids grow up during that time, I wouldn't be sad 54 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: about it. But I know that's not everybody's feelings, So yes, 55 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: less of an early adopter going forward, I guess. 56 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I guess I wouldn't think of 57 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: myself as an early adopter. 58 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I. 59 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: Remember having a BlackBerry for a while in the sort 60 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: of two thousand and five two thousand and six era, 61 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: and then I got a smartphone. I got an iPhone, 62 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 1: and I think two thousand and nine. I want to 63 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: say that some of the first things on it the 64 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: photos of baby Sam at the time, And yeah, I mean, 65 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I'm somewhat of a tech 66 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: skeptic too, because I think in many cases, a lot 67 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: of these apps solve pseudo problems. I mean things that 68 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: are not truly problems and maybe are affecting a very 69 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: small slice of humanity. I mean somebody like, oh, here's 70 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: an app for like rating and buying baby stuff, and 71 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, like, can't any store do that? Like 72 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: you know, you can ask another human being like what 73 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: baby stuff did you use? And they can tell you. 74 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,839 Speaker 2: I toured such a related conversation in my running group 75 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: yesterday where one of my friends is a little bit younger. 76 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: She doesn't have kids yet. She's I'm going to say 77 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: early thirties, but was like, if you're not on social media, 78 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: how do you know about anything? 79 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: Wow, there's this place to talk other people. 80 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: And I listen to up First on NPR, and you 81 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: guys text me things, and I listen to podcasts and like, 82 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: somehow I seem to generally know what's going on. 83 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: But it's interesting. Yeah, that is kind of funny, which 84 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of cool stuff that's tech, 85 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of stuff that isn't very helpful. Mean, 86 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: we talked in a recent episode which will do a 87 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: shout out for this again in case anyone didn't hear 88 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: it the first time. One app that has in fact 89 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: save us a lot of time is the scanning app 90 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: on your phone, your notes app if you have an iPhone, 91 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: you can open up you can scan documents. It just 92 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: like takes a picture of them basically and turns it 93 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: into a PDF. So, if you have something that you 94 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: want to keep a copy of and you've like signed 95 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: and you need to send in so maybe this is 96 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: like a school medical form or camp form or anything 97 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: like that, easypasy takes much less time than the old 98 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: days of you know, having to scan it on a 99 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: real scanner and put it on some sort of memory 100 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: stick and send it over or whatever else. So again, 101 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: even if ninety nine out of one hundred people hearing 102 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: this knew that the one who didn't has now just 103 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: benefited their lives tremendously. We got a ton of email 104 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: about this, by the way, Yes, it was one of 105 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: the more like of the whole episode. This was brought 106 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: up again and again, so I get it. Ag. Yeah, yeah, 107 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: So you know, we'll go through a few examples of things. 108 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: We asked our Patreon community what tools they enjoyed. We 109 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: also got the idea to do this episode from a 110 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: Patreon member who suggested we do a roundup of digital 111 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: tools that could make parenting and home management easier. So 112 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: maybe people will get some idea that somebody else is 113 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: using from this, and if you have others, feel free 114 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: to send them to us. You can always email me 115 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: Laura Laura vandercam dot com. I'm happy to share those later. 116 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: So one of the examples digital family calendar. So the 117 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: idea being that we all have complex lives where we 118 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: are trying to coordinate who can take who to what, 119 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: and maybe there's another after school sitter involved in the 120 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: driving two, or a nanny or somebody else who needs 121 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: to know the household schedule, or like a grandparent who's 122 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: also helping with childcare. So you have multiple people who 123 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: need to be aware of what other people are doing 124 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: and what needs to get done. Well, when we have 125 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: this at work, what do we do? We have a 126 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: shared calendar where you know where your team members are 127 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: and what they're working on. You can do this at 128 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: home as well, so a lot of people use Google 129 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: Calendar Cozy. There are digital boards like you've looked into this, right, Sarah. 130 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: Well, there's Skylight, which shout out prior podcast sponsor way 131 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: back in the day. I think it was where their 132 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: photo frames and not their digital calendar, but same company. 133 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 2: And then there's a newer one called dacboard dak board, 134 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: and I got to say dackboard is highly aesthetic. If 135 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: you go to the worbsite, they're like these beautiful big 136 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: frames and they take your data out of Google Calendar 137 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: or whatever and they display it in this very friendly interface. 138 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: And I can see the benefit if you are a 139 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: family then enjoys using digital calendars and is used to 140 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: using digital calendars to begin with, because if not, then 141 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: you know you're gonna have this really pretty thing that 142 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: nobody keeps up to date. Yeah. 143 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: I mean there's two ways that you do. I mean 144 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: one is just a shared calendar, right. You can have 145 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: a shared calendar Google Calendar with any adults who need 146 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: to see it or older kids as well. There's also 147 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: the way you can do it so it's a display, right, 148 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: so that even you know, younger children or people who 149 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: are just in your house that needed to know it, 150 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: you know, like an occasional setter that you weren't necessarily 151 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: incorporating into your Google calendar kind of thing. Would see 152 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: the schedule as well. Right, that's the two kinds. I 153 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: guess that's what I'm hearing. 154 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 2: Well, they're seeing it, but the data comes from somebody 155 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: has to enter it onto calendar. So someone's got to 156 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: be a digital calendar user, and I guess enough stakeholders 157 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: probably have to be accurately entering for this information to 158 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: actually be correct. You get what I'm saying, which I 159 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: could see being problematic because unlike a whiteboard where somebody 160 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: might be actively managing it, if you're like kind of 161 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: not paying attention, you could actually have this beautiful dackboard 162 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: showing wrong information, which in many ways would be worse 163 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: than no information. 164 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, because then people ask like, what are we supposed 165 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: to do as opposed to assuming that it's this because 166 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: it didn't get updated since last week for whatever reasonactly, 167 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: you don't do this though I don't. 168 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: But I again, in a family that's actively like if 169 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: you have two parents, especially who both enjoy using an 170 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: electronic calendar and are good at keeping them updated and 171 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: looking at them, I think this could be a really 172 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: elegant and pretty solution, And then the kids would be 173 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: able to see everything that's going on, and then as 174 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: their kids get older, they could be adding to the 175 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: calendar as well, and you'll see their little play date 176 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: show up on the dackboard and okay, they could look 177 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 2: forward to it. 178 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you tell. You could actually even tell them if 179 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: they could read, but they're having to try. Okay, it's 180 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: four nights and tell that I get to that, or 181 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. There's probably some way to do, like 182 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: emojis that could illustrate it even if the child didn't 183 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: entirely read. We don't do this either. We're pretty old fashioned. 184 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: I sent around a written list of where everyone needs 185 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: to go when to my husband, our nanny on you know, 186 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: usually Thursday, Friday, usually for the next week, and it 187 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: has to get updated at various points. And I guess 188 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: I could see that a digital version of this would 189 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: be more easier updated. But then I feel like people 190 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: don't necessarily look at that. You know, if you get 191 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: it like this invite has been updated, do you always 192 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: look at that. I don't always look at that, so, 193 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: you know, I feel like, may as well make it 194 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: its own thing. So and I like to use a 195 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: paper calendar, but I understand that I am hopelessly old 196 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: fashioned in that way, and many people. The ship has 197 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: sailed for that, at least in the work place anyway. 198 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you and I are very busy, and we 199 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: both do a lot of things, and we both use 200 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: paper calendars. So I guess I would challenge anyone who's like, 201 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 2: it's impossible for me to use paper to like question. 202 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 2: I mean, it probably isn't impossible. It's totally fine not 203 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: to use paper, but I push back on the impossible. 204 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 2: And we use a whiteboard, but I do text a 205 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: picture of the whiteboard to our nanny and my husband 206 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: at the beginning of every week, So it's kind of digital. 207 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: I guess it's digital. Hey, it's using digital tools. You know, 208 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: texting is very useful. I will say, shout out to texting. 209 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: I do like that. So AI, generative AI such as chat, 210 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: GPT our listeners suggested, can use this for meal planning. 211 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: It turns out that if you type in like give 212 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: me a recipe with X, Y and Z, or plan 213 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: out a meal a week of simple meals or five 214 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: dinners based on sort of minimal ingredients. I mean, that's 215 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: the kind of thing it actually can do. And you know, 216 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: you might get usable stuff you might not. This is 217 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: all in an early stage, but that's when you look 218 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: at it and say, Okay, recipe on Tuesday looks click crap, 219 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: but let's do Monday and Wednesday. Those sound good. 220 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. I could see how it would be more valuable 221 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: for like idea generating than maybe coming up with the 222 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 2: complete plan, although these things are continuing to evolve, and 223 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: maybe in three years it would be able to spit 224 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 2: out a perfect plan where it read my mind and 225 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 2: knew exactly what we wanted every night. 226 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. 227 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: I guess maybe if you had specific allergies or food limitations, 228 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: this could be very useful because essentially it'd be combing 229 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 2: the internet for recipes that fit your okay, no gluten 230 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 2: and no dairy or something like that, and coming up 231 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: with specific things that fit that criteria. And that's not 232 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 2: necessarily as easy to do by yourself. 233 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 234 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: I don't personally do this, but I do use Preptish, 235 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 2: which is like a human version of this, and I 236 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: really like it. 237 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Well, Yeah, the AI can come up with 238 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: lots of stuff that you know, there's different uses of it, 239 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: so some people have actually used it for personalized bedtime stories. 240 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: Sarah's not into this idea I can see her rolling 241 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: her eyes over here. But I have to say, I 242 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: remember getting a book when I was a kid that 243 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: was like one of these you know, novelty books you 244 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: can get where they had a story and they basically 245 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: put your name in it, like chose the character who 246 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: kind of looked like you so you could get it, 247 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: you know, with certain hair color or skin color, eye 248 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: color whatever, and boy or girl, and have a certain 249 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: number of siblings in it that you would mention. And 250 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: you know, so the person sent in like your favorite 251 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: activities and it spit out this story with you know, 252 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: fill in the blank with this, and you got a 253 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: copy of the book, right, And I remember that being 254 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: kind of an interesting thing. It certainly wasn't a story 255 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: I re read many times because it was stupid, but 256 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: it was you know, that was a lot of kids 257 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: like personalized stuff. Right. It's kind of cool to have 258 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: things about you because as a kid, you don't necessarily 259 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: have that. You know, you haven't been able to make 260 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: your own life. You are survelying on everyone, and so 261 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: it's fun to be the hero of your own story, 262 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: which you can be if somebody can create a story, 263 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: and not all parents At eight pm are at tip 264 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: top creative idea generate at a time. So you could 265 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: have AI generate a bedtime story about your four year 266 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: old who is a girl who likes circus stuff and 267 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: her poodle and is also into dragons, and it will 268 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: come up with a story and you can then read 269 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: that story. 270 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: You could. I don't know why it's such a turn 271 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 2: off for me. I guess I find the bedtime reading 272 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 2: like such an intimate thing. And I also just like 273 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 2: I value like actual books, which I know you do 274 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: as well, of course as an author. I just and 275 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 2: this again, this is like one of those like not 276 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: fair kind of things, like I don't have a great reason, 277 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: but I'm viscerally like not into it. But hey, if 278 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: you are, let us know. Maybe it's awesome. And Laura, 279 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: I think you should try it with Henry tonight. 280 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: See what we come up with. Yeah. Yeah, well, I 281 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: mean I got to say, not all children's literature book 282 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: is great either, Like you can wind up with some 283 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: real duds, and it's if the kid really likes it 284 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: over and over, it's kind of a well I think 285 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: maybe we could come up with something better. But that 286 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: idea of generating stuff, not even just stories, but the 287 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: initial brainstorming is actually a huge thing for the use 288 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: of AI. So, for instance, you could tell one of 289 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: the even suggested prompts over at chat GPT is i'd 290 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: like to experience soul like a local, Right. So, if 291 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: you were planning a family trip to South Korea and 292 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: I was like, well, what on earth do I do? Like, 293 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: if you don't want to go spend hours and hours 294 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: and hours reading through guide books and lists and all that, 295 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: they could give you a list and that. Again, I 296 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't base your whole trip based on this, Like you 297 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: should then take this to a travel agent or a 298 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: friend who's been to Korea or lives there or whatever 299 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: and say what do you think of this? But it 300 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: can get some of that initial brainstorming. 301 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually did this for Vancouver and we were 302 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: working with Notion at the time, and I went in 303 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: and I used it. I was like, give me a 304 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 2: list of family fun activities and it was a great 305 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: place to start from. So I agree, it's so good 306 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: at like combing the internet for like I don't know, 307 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: a collection of random facts or stuff that you need. 308 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: I think that's like where it's strength is. So I 309 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: agree travel planning can be a great. 310 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: Use all Right, we're going to take a quick ad 311 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: break and then we'll be back with more digital tools 312 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: for assisting with parenting and household management. So we were 313 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: talking about tools that can help with parenting household management. 314 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: I think this listener who suggested we do and of 315 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: this also said you could use AI to sort through 316 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: colleges to narrow down the list. 317 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: Oh that was a nice idea. 318 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: Oh that was your idea. Okay, tell me what you 319 00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: mean by that. Yeah. 320 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 2: I was just thinking, like, there are so many colleges 321 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 2: out there, and AI might be a nice way. If 322 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: you're like I want a urban environment with a really 323 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: strong music program, I bet it could give you a 324 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: really decent list of colleges. I mean it may not 325 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: hit everyone, but again, it's a place to start from. 326 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: I think anytime you're trying to narrow something that feels 327 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 2: really overwhelming, this could be useful. So colleges kind of 328 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 2: came to my mind. 329 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, one thing you should encourage your children not 330 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: to use AI for is writing their papers. So this 331 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: is I actually read a fascinating study. I mean it 332 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: was an informal study, but someone had asked her Harvard 333 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: professors to grade a couple of essays and it's like 334 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: one of the essays was AI generated and others were 335 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: written by human students, and just to see like what 336 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: grades would this get? And you know, are the grades different? 337 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: Can they tell the difference? I mean they couldn't. I 338 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: mean the thing is they got reasonable grades. They didn't 339 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: get great grades. So if you, you know, want to 340 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: get a B minus at Harvard, I guess you can 341 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: use these, but the A students are probably it's not 342 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: there yet. But of course, you know, things are getting better. 343 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: So that's going to change the entire way that people 344 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: are going to even be working with like assigning papers 345 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I think there's going to be 346 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: a lot more to sort of in class reflection or 347 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, the tests being in the place as opposed 348 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: to being out on your own being more written because 349 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, if you're on any sort of device, I mean, 350 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: people can come up with ways if they are ethically 351 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: challenged to use tools that they're not supposed to use. 352 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: So that's a fascinating thing that's happening. 353 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I can imagine. I mean I'm not an 354 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 2: expert in this at all, but the detection when it's 355 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 2: AI must be very difficult because I'm like a plagiarism sensor, 356 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 2: Like some of it is novel material. It just was 357 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 2: written by a robot and not a student, and so like, ugh, 358 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 2: what a challenge I feel for those in academia. But yeah, 359 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 2: maybe it'll be more like bring back the old blue books. 360 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, although the thing with that is that because I 361 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: don't know that people are having quite as much an 362 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: issue of people using it as a starting point for 363 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: then other stuff. Right, Like, once you're in the workforce, 364 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: people might use it to write a rough draft of 365 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: like a press release, and then you go in and 366 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: make it better. But it's often very hard to turn 367 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: nothing into something, whereas turning something into something better with 368 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: the expertise of knowing what's accurate and what's not and 369 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: what's a total dud of an idea and what's a 370 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: good idea, it just gets you started in the same 371 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: way of that brainstorming. And so you know, using it 372 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: as a tool, it's probably a different matter. So yeah, 373 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: interesting stuff. I think about this a lot. As a writer, 374 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: I can imagine moving on digital payments, you do a 375 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,239 Speaker 1: lot of sort of well, you do subscriptions and well, no, 376 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,239 Speaker 1: that's different. Okay, what automatic payments do you do? 377 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 2: I have a number of things on automatic payments, like 378 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 2: I don't pay our phone, bo I don't pay or 379 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 2: electric I mean I pay all these things. Most of 380 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 2: my payments are automatic. To be honest, I don't do 381 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: a lot of like check writing. And in fact, I 382 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 2: even have wine app typically set up to then also 383 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 2: be on like a monthly thing, so it also knows 384 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: that we're going to have a thing, and then when 385 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: it comes through, it kind of like matches it anyway, 386 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 2: So there's there's some automation there for most of them. 387 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: Does anybody not do with automatic payments of this? 388 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: Sure there are people who don't. I don't know. There's 389 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: probably I mean I pay a lot of bills with 390 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: checks and do you yeah, some some I do, and 391 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, my credit card for stuff, but 392 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: I actually input it a lot of times. I don't know. 393 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: It's like wanting to keep track of certain things because 394 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: I've found and I'm sure you have too, and a 395 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: lot of our listeners that when you don't, when you 396 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: have things on repeat, you can wind up using it 397 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: longer than you really are using it. That you have 398 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: to if you're gonna do this, you should build in 399 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: a regular time to audit what you're paying. 400 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: Which I do because that's what I do with wineapp 401 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 2: every single month as I literally go through every credit 402 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: card statement and look at every transaction manually and make 403 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 2: sure it's all in there. So that awareness comes from 404 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 2: that work, which I've gotten pretty fast at, by the way. 405 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 2: It's not like hours and hours. But if I didn't 406 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 2: do that, yes, I could see that this could be 407 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: a very slippery slope and you'd have a number of 408 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: subscriptions you might not even remember existed. 409 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I definitely. When I was doing my business, 410 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: tax has recently found a few things I was like, 411 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'm really using that to the extent 412 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: of paying for it every month. I think maybe we 413 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: should cancel that. So I did a few things, and 414 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm glad that I did. Which is the same problem 415 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: with subscriptions. Right, So you've got a number of consumer 416 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: item type things on subscription, correct. 417 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 2: Yes, So we do use Amazon's subscribe and save for 418 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 2: a number of things that I put in the household 419 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 2: goods category on You need a budget, so everything from 420 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: like packing tape to laundry to and now we've even 421 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 2: added in some like we do our collagen peptides on 422 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 2: because it's cheaper, our running gels, certain stationary supplies. But 423 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 2: the key is human interaction because every single month, Amazon 424 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: will send you an email warning that's like you have 425 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 2: three days to like update your list or else we're 426 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: sending you everything on it. And if I miss that 427 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: is I mean, it's like a disaster. Like we just 428 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 2: get boxes and boxes because there's more things than I 429 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 2: actually need because you always have the ability to push 430 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: it forward, but you won't get that subscribe and save 431 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 2: price if you take it off your list entirely. So 432 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 2: it's quick. But I have a little reminder of like 433 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: the end of each month, around the twenty sixth of 434 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 2: the month, to go in there and be like what 435 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 2: do we actually need for the coming month, and then 436 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 2: I push forward anything we don't need, and it's it 437 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 2: works pretty well. I feel like I've gotten a good 438 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 2: rhythm with that. 439 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny to think, you know, if something were 440 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: to happen to us, like what are the things that 441 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 1: would sort of go wrong in the gears, in the 442 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: household and in Sarah's household if something were to happen 443 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: to her next thing. They know, there's like Allen's of peptide. 444 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: What are collagens showing up? Yes, exactly, peptides forever, peptides forever. 445 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: Like what do I do with all this stuff? 446 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: Now? 447 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: I have multiple problems because you know, yeah, I mean, 448 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: their incentives are not necessarily to remind you to get 449 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: it off, so you have to be paying attention to that. 450 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: But digital tools can remind you of things, so this 451 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 1: is always helpful with like calendar reminders for instance. 452 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 2: Correct, yeah, I don't do any of that, but I 453 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 2: know a lot of people like to do that. I 454 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: just have my paper calendar and my reminders that I 455 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: look at it every day, so I don't need my phone. 456 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 2: Also like telling me that I have something. Sometimes it's 457 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,959 Speaker 2: kind of fun to see that. For example, like I'm 458 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: doing that marathon nutrition course and by some internet magic, 459 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: it will show up on my watch Like I didn't 460 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: make that happen, it just did. But it's also in 461 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: my planner. But it's like, oh, look, I get reminded 462 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 2: every whatever. Right now it says twenty fourteen boys soccer 463 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 2: practice or whatever like, but I don't need that because 464 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 2: it's also in my planner, but some people love that. Again, 465 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 2: you then just have to make sure that everything is 466 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 2: in there and that you have them correctly set up, 467 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 2: because if you're kind of half there half not, they're 468 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 2: dangerous bad. 469 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it reminds me that the problems with tech then too. 470 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: So last year, as in like twenty twenty two to 471 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three winter, Ruth was in skating lessons and 472 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: it was like at New twelve thirty on Saturdays or something, 473 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: and so Michael put in a recurring calendar reminder for 474 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: like twelve ten leave on Saturday and put me on it. 475 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: And now it keeps showing up like every Saturday for 476 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, like did he not delete it. I 477 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: don't understand, like I can't get off of it. I 478 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: don't think like he has to take me off of it. 479 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: And I don't know. I keep getting this thing. I mean, 480 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: I don't really care, like I don't look at it 481 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: that much, but it's sort of tech takes on a Yeah, 482 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: your planner wouldn't do that to you. My planner never 483 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: tells me what I don't want to. So human interaction 484 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 1: with the tool again, that's a theme. You can use 485 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: these tools you must actively manage these tools. Unfortunately, much 486 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: of technology these days is not set it and forget it. 487 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: It's set it and actively manage it. Yeah, exactly set 488 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: it and actively manage it. We both do use one 489 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: cool version of AI or whatever it is. The algorithm 490 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: that Shutterfly and probably other photo sites as well, can 491 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: make you an album with a reasonable layout. When you 492 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: put in let's say, thirty photos, you know, from your 493 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: beach vacation, you say, create an album, and it will 494 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: do so, and it will choose, you know, things that 495 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: layouts that look nice, and so if you don't have 496 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: a particular artistic talent for doing that, or even if 497 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: you are wonderfully gifted in that area but really don't 498 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: want to use those skills for creating your you know 499 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: album of your beach vacation, it makes one that looks great. 500 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: So we use it all the time. Yes, I do. 501 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 2: I do for our big yearly albums, and I do 502 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: still manually pull out though it's like three hundred or 503 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 2: four hundred. Yeah, you know, there's like a limit. But 504 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 2: I wonder if we're gonna eventually get to the point 505 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 2: where it could just literally look at my photos on 506 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: Google Photos and just be like, I know what the 507 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 2: good ones are. Here's your twenty twenty three album, and 508 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 2: if it was like ninety percent as good as what 509 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: I would do on my own, I would kind of 510 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 2: be okay with that. 511 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, or even I mean, yeah, you tell it 512 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: like photos from my beach vacation, right like, and it 513 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 1: would be able to figure out like what a normal 514 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: human would choose from that. Yes, although then there's always 515 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: the question because you know, whoever is making the album 516 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: tends to optimize for the photos that they look better in, right. 517 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just human nature. I've seen it with 518 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: other people's albums, Like, that's just it's what you do. 519 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 2: Like, and I'm not in any of the photos, so 520 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 2: that's not a problem for us. 521 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. If it's photos of your kids at 522 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: the beach, that's one thing. But if if it's ones 523 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: that you feature in in any way, you're always just 524 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, like, oh well my eyes are a little 525 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: closed in that one. You're not looking at anyone else. 526 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: So that's good. Now, we don't have Alexas in our home. 527 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people like those sort of 528 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: you know services. But one upside for the people who 529 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: do use them, and we heard from a lot of 530 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: people is that it can tell your kids to do 531 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: things at certain times. So for anyone who has taken 532 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: on the role of morning drill sergeant to get your 533 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: children out the door. And if you perhaps do not 534 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: enjoy doing this, like it's seven twenty four you need 535 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: to be brushing your teeth or whatever it is that 536 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: you find yourself saying, you could program Alexa or Family 537 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: Bell on Google Assist or a couple other different programs 538 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: to do this for you. 539 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 2: I just wonder whether my kids would listen to that voice, 540 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 2: because I feel like they don't even listen to mine 541 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 2: until mine has a lot of emotion in it. 542 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: Can you get Alexa to yell? Maybe? I don't know. 543 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 2: I have sensed that you are ignoring my initial message. 544 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 1: Does it say things like if you don't finish up 545 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: in the bathroom now, you are going to miss the bus? 546 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 2: The sort of are like, I will not ship you 547 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 2: that toy you ordered. 548 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: Oh, Alexa plays dirty exactly by the way, we've just 549 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: activated everyone's Alexa. Who's about that? We should have called 550 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: it a code name like Charlotte or something. Yeah, you 551 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: can tell we don't have them we don't have one. 552 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: Apologies for that, but yeah, I like this idea of 553 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: having something else tell the kid. And you did this 554 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: with a playlist, though, didn't you. 555 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: At one point, yes, oh my god, I cannot listen 556 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: to those songs ever again because it was like the 557 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 2: beginning of the Descendant soundtrack and it was like every 558 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 2: single day. Oh my god, that is the problem. You 559 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 2: got to change it up every once in a while. 560 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: You're gonna it's not like, oh, when I hear this song, 561 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: it's time to brush my teeth, because then you've changed it. 562 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, I like the idea of a playlist, but 563 00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: that has its downsides. Whereas the announcement to that it 564 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: is time to be brushing your teeth, it is time 565 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: to be putting on your shoes. It's a little bit 566 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: harder to get sick of. Perhaps, And by the. 567 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 2: Way, this is not a new idea, Like I just 568 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 2: had a flashback to like the mid nineties when my 569 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: uncle had like an intercom set up with recordings in 570 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 2: the house that were like time for bed, not at 571 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 2: my house, Like I didn't grow up with that, but 572 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 2: I remember being at their house and being like, wow, 573 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 2: they do they listen to that no, I. 574 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: Don't know, but yeah, I mean if they don't listen 575 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: to us either, then I'm not sure that the digital 576 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: assistant could do a worse job. So that is actually 577 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: something a lot of people suggested, and you might want 578 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: to look into allowance management. This is an interesting I mean, 579 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: especially as fewer and fewer people use cash. And while 580 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: I like cash because I think it's great for teaching 581 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: kids about money and like making changes, like a little 582 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: mathlesson every time, and it feels more real when you're 583 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: handing over dollars as opposed to like swiping a card, 584 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: like who knows how much money there is on the card, 585 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: Like it's infinite for all we know, even if it 586 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: isn't a lot of places don't take cash anymore, and 587 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: so we've found this out, like when kids went on 588 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: to a youth group trip or a school trip to 589 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: a amusement park, and you know what would I do. 590 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: I would have sent the kid with some amount of 591 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: cash to spend for the day. And then we realize 592 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: that they don't take cash, and so you know, most 593 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: of these places they understand is still a transition, and 594 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: so they have machines where you can turn dollar bills 595 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: into a cash card. But you know, I think possibly 596 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: in the future most places will be like, no, you 597 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: need a credit or debit card. And of course I'm 598 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: not like giving my twelve year old like I wasn't 599 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: you know in the mindset that my twelve year old 600 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: needs a debit card? Right like that, why would they 601 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: need that? I can just give them cash? But that 602 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: increasingly is changing. 603 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm actually of all these things we're talking about. 604 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 2: I think I'm going to check out green Light or 605 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: similar apps off to see if my husband's on board, 606 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 2: because he's actually the one that manages allowance for the 607 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 2: most part at our house. But I kind of like 608 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 2: the idea of something that allows them to track it 609 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 2: easily and just an easy way to have them pay. 610 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, is there a wine app junior for that 611 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: sort of thing. 612 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 2: It's a great question. I don't think there's a kid 613 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: specific program. 614 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it sounds like a cool idea, and 615 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people do that. I think 616 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: some systems money management systems for kids are a little 617 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: on the price of your side, so you have to 618 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: again weigh that in is it worth the extra dollars 619 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: per month to do this versus some other system that 620 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: you could just use. But I don't know, I haven't 621 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: really looked into that much because again, we just give 622 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: them the cash cards. But yeah, we probably need to 623 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: give the older ones a regular debit card. Actually I 624 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: think they have one all right, anyway, they don't use 625 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: it frequently. So, you know, people shared the idea of 626 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: like trying to create a There are ideas of like 627 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: documents that people can all use, so you know, if 628 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: you have things that a babysitter needs to know that 629 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: could be in a document, though of course you probably 630 00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: want to run through it with the person too the 631 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: first time, just because if, especially if you have particular 632 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: things a kid needs, it's better to make sure the 633 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: person understands. 634 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 2: I'm picturing like a QR code on the fridge that 635 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 2: they have to scam with their phone to be like 636 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 2: here's the list, Yeah, exactly. 637 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. The problem is I feel like people don't look 638 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: at stuff right, Like you scan their phone and it's like, yeah, 639 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: it's just somewhere in another digital bit of stuff I 640 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: don't look at. And if it actually mattered, like the 641 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: kid needs better than at eight o'clock, like probably you 642 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: need to actually run through that with yess rather than 643 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: trusting that it was in there. But you can certainly 644 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: use shared documents for things like holiday lists, gifts for birthdays, 645 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: vacation planning. People said, my husband and I used a 646 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: shared one note to put gift ideas, vacation planning notes, 647 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: and Costco shopping lists. I like that. 648 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 2: I know my kids have already been working on Google slides. 649 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 2: They're sharable with what they want for Hanuka. 650 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: So that's great. Kids are all over the digital day. 651 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: We just have to get on board. Yeah. I don't know, 652 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: we have not done the shared doc thing. I tend 653 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: to just have it in a notebook somewhere, or we 654 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: have just not even been making lists for going to 655 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: Costco and my husband goes and he overbuys like crazy, 656 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: and I guess that's just the price we play for 657 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: reducing mental load. So, Sarah, are you going to try 658 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: any of these? 659 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 2: I like the allowance idea, that's the main one, And 660 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 2: then you know, some of them might already do to 661 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 2: some extent. We have some shared lists in our house 662 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 2: and yeah, but the most appealing one that we've talked about, 663 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 2: I may go to general AI more. 664 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: You know, as time goes on, especially as it gets better. 665 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: And yes, I. 666 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 2: Do want to figure out something better for allowances and 667 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 2: debit cards and stuff like that, so that those are 668 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 2: probably the ones that stick out to me the most. 669 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: What about you, Yeah, I just realized that, Yeah, for 670 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: this Christmas, I probably should just do a Google doc 671 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: and we can add to that, and maybe it'll look 672 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: a little bit more rather than like scratching off and 673 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: like adding and then trying desperately to make sure everyone 674 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: has the same amount of stuff. That might be a 675 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: little bit more orderly. But yeah, I don't know if 676 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: we both remember to add everything to it, so. 677 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 2: Your kids would. 678 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: Kids would well, I don't want them to see it though, right, Like, 679 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: you don't know, but. 680 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 2: If they had requests, if they had their Google doc 681 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 2: that they wanted to submit. 682 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: So they could just add to it. But then it's like, 683 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, ours is a slide show with links. 684 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: You can see all the stuff one click to buy, 685 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: you know, just make it real easy. Yeah, exactly, all right, Well, 686 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: moving to that question, This is from a listener says, 687 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: what age did your kids transition from more family oriented 688 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: birthday parties to inviting their own friends. My oldest will 689 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: be four at the end of the year and has 690 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: been talking about a friend birthday party, which I totally 691 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: understand because I think this seems like a logical age 692 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: to start. The problem is, I know her grandparents, who 693 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: live close by, still want and expect to celebrate in 694 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: some way. Doing two parties seems like a lot to 695 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: bite off, especially since this is not the only child. 696 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: It just happens to be the oldest child. Do you 697 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: have any wisdom about including grandparents but still making it 698 00:33:59,080 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: kid centered? 699 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so definitely the kids centered part I feel like 700 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 2: starts around age three four something like that, where you're 701 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 2: inviting their friends. But and this may be partly cultural, 702 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 2: grandparents are very common at many birthday parties that I 703 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 2: go to, and they're often in some sort of like 704 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 2: either just hanging out or like help her kind of 705 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 2: a role. There's a lot of really close most generational 706 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 2: families in Florida, and so like it is very very 707 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 2: commonplace to be like, oh, here's grandma and like, you know, 708 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 2: she made the cake or something like that. So I 709 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 2: guess like you can certainly combine them and we invite grandparents, 710 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 2: like it's usually Josh's parents because they're the ones who 711 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 2: live in the same area, but we always invite them 712 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 2: even when the party is absolutely kid centric, Like I 713 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 2: think at Annabel's party, we had the friends that she 714 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 2: wanted at our house doing the activities they wanted, but like, 715 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 2: why not have Babe and Poppy hang out and help 716 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 2: And then you kind of end up with like a 717 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 2: little mini adult party going on. And as the kids 718 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 2: get older, they need less and less interactions, so it's 719 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 2: actually kind of nice for the adults to have something 720 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 2: to do. And if you have close family friends, like 721 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 2: you know, at some point it becomes a drop off, 722 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 2: but like maybe someone's from a little bit farther away, 723 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,720 Speaker 2: and if you have close family friends that have friends 724 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 2: the kid's age, again, they can kind of join your 725 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 2: little adult party. So I don't think it has to 726 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 2: be one or the other. Yeah, what about you guys. 727 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: It's not two separate parties. You can totally combine this. 728 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,800 Speaker 1: And I think this is just a mindset in general, 729 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: like if people like you from different spheres of your life, 730 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: generally they're going to be fine to gather. And that's 731 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,439 Speaker 1: something that was not natural to me to think about 732 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: because I'm not I don't know I'm not like an 733 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: extroverted person, Like I'm not a natural like pairing people 734 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: up or introducing people or anything like that. But anyone 735 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: that you like, whatever sphere of life like, and even 736 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: if they don't get along, they're going to be like 737 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: pleasant enough that it's going to be fine. Right, So 738 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: I would not worry about bringing people together from different 739 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: spheres of your life just in general. And that translates 740 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: also to this idea of the kid birthday party. So 741 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: absolutely let your kid have a kid focused birthday party. 742 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: Go rent out that bouncy house place because it's for 743 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: They probably are not dropping the kids off, so you're 744 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of parents there anyway, So they're 745 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: gonna get to meet your parents. Isn't that exciting? Like 746 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: now you have people from different parts of your life 747 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: who know each other, and yeah, you know your parents 748 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: can help out, but they can also stick around afterwards. Right, 749 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 1: So then you know, as you all the families are leaving, 750 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: they're still there with you. You know the grandparents are there, 751 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: and then you know they help you pack up, they 752 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: go back to your house with you. You have a 753 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: family dinner together because you're gonna have to eat anyway, right, 754 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: so like, you know, just come back and you know, 755 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: they can maybe help the kid open the presence, like, 756 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: you know, provide that ooh in ah, because again this 757 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: is new parents here. Maybe they know, maybe they don't know. 758 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: Most kids don't open presents at parties these days. So 759 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna be taking giant clothes baskets full of these 760 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: presents home and then you can open them at home, 761 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: and then the parents, the grandparents can provide an appreciative audience, 762 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: you know, as the children and are opening the presence, 763 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: And so I think you can find a way to 764 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: incorporate them as special people and sort of honoring them 765 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: as well and having them do other things than just 766 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: the bouncy house party, even though the kid is focused 767 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: on the bouncy house party. Agree, best of both worlds, 768 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: best of both worlds and kids friends, parents and kids 769 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: friends exactly. So love of the week. I guess we're 770 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: going to go tech focus this week, right? Uh? 771 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 2: Oh, I forget mine, so you go first? 772 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I like that I can face time with 773 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: my trainer, So longtime listeners know that I hired a 774 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: trainer this year to work out with once a week 775 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: to do strength training as that seems to be the 776 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,399 Speaker 1: only way I can get myself to do it. And 777 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: we meet by FaceTime, so I use the weights in 778 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: my little home gym. I mean, it's basically just like 779 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: dumbbells and bands and resistance bands and things like that. 780 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: And I put him on my phone, you know, propped 781 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: up on the floor, and he's he learned how to 782 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: do this, I think during COVID when all his regular 783 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 1: clients were not meeting in person, and you know, he'd 784 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 1: figured out how to coach people via iPad and iPhone 785 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: and all that. And now I think it's a reasonable 786 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,439 Speaker 1: chunk of his business because even people who are there, 787 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's easier to do this if they're in 788 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: their home gym. And maybe he'll if they're training with 789 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: him multiple times a week, maybe he'll come once and 790 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: then another time to buy iPad or something. So anyway, 791 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: it opens up like because I could never have worked 792 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 1: with this person because we don't live anywhere near each other, 793 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: but because it can be done virtual, we can't. So 794 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of an awesome thing. 795 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 2: I think both of ours were on the same vein 796 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,479 Speaker 2: how digital can combine with human to make something even 797 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 2: better than it was before, and so mine was. I'm 798 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 2: working with a running coach who has decidedly human, but 799 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 2: we use Strava for him to look at my runs, 800 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 2: which is digital, and a Google sheet for all my 801 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 2: workouts to be planned out and to comment on that. 802 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 2: And again it's like it's the mix that makes it 803 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 2: really really work, because it would be really tough for 804 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 2: everything to be analog, but it's really the human behind 805 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 2: it that. 806 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,760 Speaker 1: Makes it so great. So yeah, digital plus human, Yeah, Cola, 807 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: that's the formula for success using digital things as tools 808 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 1: to make our human lives better. Well, this has been 809 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: best of both worlds. We have been talking about digital 810 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: tools for parenting, household management, the ones we'd like to use, 811 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: the ones we're not so excited about, but maybe other 812 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: people are really into. So please let us know your 813 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: favorites and we will be back next week with more 814 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 1: on making work in life together. 815 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 816 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 2: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 817 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 2: and you. 818 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This 819 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,359 Speaker 1: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join 820 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: us next time for more on making work and life 821 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: work together.