WEBVTT - Scholars Corner: IS YOUR MONEY SAFE IN BANKS?

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<v Speaker 1>Who's really protecting your money?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>The FDIC? What is that even really pot Like what

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<v Speaker 1>is that? And then it's like the limit is to

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<v Speaker 1>fifty there's been talks that they could potentially raise the

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<v Speaker 1>limit higher. What about the limits for investing that's through SIPC.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the same will that be raised? Just can

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<v Speaker 1>you just kind of make sense of the protection aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of it from an investing in banking side.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and we're getting this question every single day on Investipedia,

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<v Speaker 3>as you can imagine, because people are really worried about

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<v Speaker 3>their money. Yeah, they're worried about their money in the market,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're worried about their money money right, their bags

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<v Speaker 3>of cash in the bank that's supposed to be safe.

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<v Speaker 2>So most banks are ensured.

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<v Speaker 3>By what we call the FDIC Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation.

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<v Speaker 3>This was formed after the Great Depression, after the big

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<v Speaker 3>bank runs of the nineteen thirties to protect investors or savers,

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<v Speaker 3>i should say, customers. And they've raised the limit over

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<v Speaker 3>time because we've had more money to put in the bank.

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<v Speaker 3>And that limit is two hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 3>and that is per individual. If you're married and have

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<v Speaker 3>a joint account five hundred thousand dollars. That is your

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<v Speaker 3>money in the bank that is insured. If your bank

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<v Speaker 3>goes out of business, you're going to get that money

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<v Speaker 3>back within a few days once the FDIC takes over

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<v Speaker 3>that bank. Right now, with Silicon Valley Bank and with

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<v Speaker 3>Signature Bank, the two banks that failed, the FDIC, the

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<v Speaker 3>Treasury and the Federal Reserve decided to take extraordinary measures

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<v Speaker 3>and consider them systemically important banks, and they raised the

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<v Speaker 3>deposit insurance to make it unlimited for all depositors. So

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<v Speaker 3>if you had money in those banks those banks were

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<v Speaker 3>taken over, you're getting all of your money back one

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<v Speaker 3>way or the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Have they made that blanket raise for all banks? Absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 2>Can they not? Exactly?

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll explain why in a second. But that's the FDIC,

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<v Speaker 3>that is its own branch of the government. It has

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<v Speaker 3>funds and insurance fund that it pays out people whose

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<v Speaker 3>bank goes under that banks can been contributing to for years.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's over one hundred billion dollars in that

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<v Speaker 3>account right now, but they can always take in more.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's on the banking side. On the investing side,

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<v Speaker 3>if you have a brokerage account, pick your broker, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't care which. And your broker gets taken over or

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<v Speaker 3>goes under or gets seized by a regulator, it's the

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<v Speaker 3>SIPC that guarantees your money two hundred and fifty thousand

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<v Speaker 3>dollars per individual, five hundred thousand dollars per couple. That

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't mean they're protect you against making bad investments. That

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't mean they protect you against taking bad advice. That

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't mean they protect you against buying products that go under.

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<v Speaker 3>That means they protect you if your broker goes under.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's very important that you understand the distinction between

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<v Speaker 3>those two agencies and what they protect.

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<v Speaker 4>So we saw the collapse of some banks, right, we

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<v Speaker 4>saw a signature SVB. A lot of us remember two

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<v Speaker 4>thousand and eight, and I'll get worried. Right, So, can

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<v Speaker 4>you explain the difference between what happened in two thousand

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<v Speaker 4>and eight and what we're seeing now with some of

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<v Speaker 4>the regional banks. I know they had a rebound today,

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<v Speaker 4>and we'll get into that a little bit later, But

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<v Speaker 4>the difference between the two scenarios in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 4>eight and now in twenty twenty three, what what's happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So in two thousand and seven two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 3>banks were over leveraged. They had bought too many mortgage

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<v Speaker 3>backed securities. They assumed, like a lot of people did,

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<v Speaker 3>that the housing market in the United States was just

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<v Speaker 3>going to keep rolling and keep going higher and higher,

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<v Speaker 3>and they gave credit out a lot of lenders to

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<v Speaker 3>people that weren't worthy of getting that credit. So when

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<v Speaker 3>the economy hit the skids and we started to go

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<v Speaker 3>into a recession, people were getting foreclosed on their homes.

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<v Speaker 3>They realized that all these people they had loaned money

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<v Speaker 3>to were not.

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<v Speaker 2>Really of good credit.

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<v Speaker 3>But banks had loaded up on this credit, on these

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<v Speaker 3>mortgage backed securities, and they started to fail as people

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<v Speaker 3>were not able to pay their mortgages. And that was

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<v Speaker 3>a liquidity crisis where banks all of a sudden didn't

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<v Speaker 3>have money to pay back their depositors, they didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>money to pay lenders, they didn't have money coming in,

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<v Speaker 3>and they weren't lending money to each other. And some

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<v Speaker 3>of the biggest banks out there. You were talking about

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<v Speaker 3>mistakes you made. I and I'm the guy who invested

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<v Speaker 3>in Lehman Brothers at eighty, at fifty, at thirty, at

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<v Speaker 3>twenty at ten and finally at two, I lost a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of money and.

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<v Speaker 3>Foo or like Lemen, was up one hundred and ten

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<v Speaker 3>year old bank that was way over leveraged, and the

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<v Speaker 3>Federal Reserve decided to just let it go. Now there's

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<v Speaker 3>another bank called bear Stearns that was equally as leverage.

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<v Speaker 3>These were multi trillion dollar banks. Now they engineered a

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<v Speaker 3>sale of bear Stearns to another bank, and that bank.

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<v Speaker 2>Was was that JP Morten? Was it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was the JP Morgan for two bucks

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<v Speaker 3>a share, so they saved that bank. So these were

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest banks in the world that were going under

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<v Speaker 3>and having what we call a liquidity crisis. They could

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<v Speaker 3>not borrow money and they were not lending money.

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<v Speaker 2>To each other.

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<v Speaker 3>So the Federal Reserve, the treasure in the FDIIC saw

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<v Speaker 3>what was happening with Silicon Valley Bank, and whether they

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<v Speaker 3>should have seen that months ago we could talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>But they saw the fact that they were not able

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<v Speaker 3>to pay back their depositors and that they deemed them,

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<v Speaker 3>even though they were only the sixteenth biggest bank in

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<v Speaker 3>the country systemically important. If they couldn't pay anybody back

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<v Speaker 3>and other banks.

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<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't lend to them, banks wouldn't loan to.

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<v Speaker 3>Each other, and we would get into a liquidity crisis

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<v Speaker 3>like we saw in two thousand and eight. Now, the

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<v Speaker 3>biggest difference is that after two thousand and eight two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and nine, there was there are a lot of tough

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<v Speaker 3>regulations put in place, the big ones, the Dodd Frank

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<v Speaker 3>Regulation Act that made banks have to hold a certain

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<v Speaker 3>amount of capital reserves in case their creditors or their

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<v Speaker 3>depositors came for their money, and that for the biggest banks,

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<v Speaker 3>the twenty biggest banks has to be a certain percentage

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<v Speaker 3>of all deposits and assets on hand.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're in much stronger shape than they used to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though the Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 3>Rolled back some of those laws, most of them are

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<v Speaker 3>still in place. So the reserves these banks hold are

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<v Speaker 3>huge right now. And there's about seventeen and a half

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<v Speaker 3>trillion dollars in US banks right now. The run we

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<v Speaker 3>had out at Silicon Valley Bank and the little one

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<v Speaker 3>we had at Signature Bank was not that big in comparison,

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<v Speaker 3>there was only one hundred and eighty billion dollars in deposits.

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<v Speaker 3>We're talking about a banking system that's almost eighteen trillion dollars.

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<v Speaker 5>Asks a good question about what are the differences that

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<v Speaker 5>you saw between twenty eight and twenty twenty three. What

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<v Speaker 5>similar is do you see like in the mismanagement of

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<v Speaker 5>risk profiles from mortgage backed securities in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 5>eight and like the venture capital debt bubble, and what

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<v Speaker 5>parallels do you see like we're making the same mistakes.

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<v Speaker 2>Great question.

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<v Speaker 3>So we always say the Federal Reserve raises interest rate

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<v Speaker 3>until something breaks, Well, something broke. That was the balance

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<v Speaker 3>sheets of a lot of banks, a lot of regional banks.

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<v Speaker 3>Why what do regional banks do with your money? What

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<v Speaker 3>are banks in general do with our money? They loan

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<v Speaker 3>it out to one another, But they keep a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of those deposits in government backed securities US treasuries and

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<v Speaker 3>mortgage backed securities. Why those are supposedly the safest investments

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<v Speaker 3>on planet Earth, maybe in the whole solar system, because.

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<v Speaker 2>The US government, even though it has an enormous debt.

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<v Speaker 3>Usually pays off its debt little by little, so they're safe.

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<v Speaker 3>But when the Federal Reserve raise interest rates like it

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<v Speaker 3>did for the past thirteen months aggressively north of five

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<v Speaker 3>percent here, then something breaks, and that is usually the

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<v Speaker 3>value of those bonds. As those interest rates went up,

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<v Speaker 3>yields went up, bond prices plummeted, so the value of

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<v Speaker 3>the assets and those banks that were held against deposits

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<v Speaker 3>when they mark to market them.

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<v Speaker 2>And that means if they say, if.

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<v Speaker 3>We had to sell those today, what those be worth?

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<v Speaker 3>They were not worth enough to cover the depositors. So

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<v Speaker 3>now the big one of the big differences is banks

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<v Speaker 3>have to have enough reserves to be able to even

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<v Speaker 3>if they have marked to market losses to cover their depositors.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one big thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But those rising interest rates, they cause a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>bank failures. That happened way back in the seventies with

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<v Speaker 3>Continental Bank. The Fed Reserve raised interest rates aggressively in

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<v Speaker 3>the eighties under Paul Volker, the tallest FED chairman out there,

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<v Speaker 3>to break inflation which was twelve percent. And guess what,

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<v Speaker 3>Orange County, California. The whole county failed. The whole county

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<v Speaker 3>went bankrupt. One of the richest counties in the world

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<v Speaker 3>went bankrupt. So your raise rates again really aggressively. In

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<v Speaker 3>the past year. We've lost two banks so far, we

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<v Speaker 3>may lose another.

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