1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:01,480 Speaker 1: Who's really protecting your money? 2 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:01,680 Speaker 2: Right? 3 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: The FDIC? What is that even really pot Like what 4 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: is that? And then it's like the limit is to 5 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: fifty there's been talks that they could potentially raise the 6 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: limit higher. What about the limits for investing that's through SIPC. 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: Is that the same will that be raised? Just can 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: you just kind of make sense of the protection aspect 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: of it from an investing in banking side. 10 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're getting this question every single day on Investipedia, 11 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 3: as you can imagine, because people are really worried about 12 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 3: their money. Yeah, they're worried about their money in the market, 13 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: but they're worried about their money money right, their bags 14 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 3: of cash in the bank that's supposed to be safe. 15 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: So most banks are ensured. 16 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 3: By what we call the FDIC Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. 17 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 3: This was formed after the Great Depression, after the big 18 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 3: bank runs of the nineteen thirties to protect investors or savers, 19 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 3: i should say, customers. And they've raised the limit over 20 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 3: time because we've had more money to put in the bank. 21 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 3: And that limit is two hundred and fifty thousand dollars 22 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 3: and that is per individual. If you're married and have 23 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 3: a joint account five hundred thousand dollars. That is your 24 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 3: money in the bank that is insured. If your bank 25 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 3: goes out of business, you're going to get that money 26 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 3: back within a few days once the FDIC takes over 27 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 3: that bank. Right now, with Silicon Valley Bank and with 28 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 3: Signature Bank, the two banks that failed, the FDIC, the 29 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 3: Treasury and the Federal Reserve decided to take extraordinary measures 30 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 3: and consider them systemically important banks, and they raised the 31 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 3: deposit insurance to make it unlimited for all depositors. So 32 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 3: if you had money in those banks those banks were 33 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: taken over, you're getting all of your money back one 34 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 3: way or the other. 35 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 2: Have they made that blanket raise for all banks? Absolutely not. 36 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: Can they not? Exactly? 37 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 3: And I'll explain why in a second. But that's the FDIC, 38 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 3: that is its own branch of the government. It has 39 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 3: funds and insurance fund that it pays out people whose 40 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: bank goes under that banks can been contributing to for years. 41 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 3: I think there's over one hundred billion dollars in that 42 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 3: account right now, but they can always take in more. 43 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 3: So that's on the banking side. On the investing side, 44 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 3: if you have a brokerage account, pick your broker, I 45 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 3: don't care which. And your broker gets taken over or 46 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: goes under or gets seized by a regulator, it's the 47 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: SIPC that guarantees your money two hundred and fifty thousand 48 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 3: dollars per individual, five hundred thousand dollars per couple. That 49 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 3: doesn't mean they're protect you against making bad investments. That 50 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 3: doesn't mean they protect you against taking bad advice. That 51 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 3: doesn't mean they protect you against buying products that go under. 52 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: That means they protect you if your broker goes under. 53 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 3: So it's very important that you understand the distinction between 54 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 3: those two agencies and what they protect. 55 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 4: So we saw the collapse of some banks, right, we 56 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 4: saw a signature SVB. A lot of us remember two 57 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 4: thousand and eight, and I'll get worried. Right, So, can 58 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 4: you explain the difference between what happened in two thousand 59 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 4: and eight and what we're seeing now with some of 60 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 4: the regional banks. I know they had a rebound today, 61 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 4: and we'll get into that a little bit later, But 62 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 4: the difference between the two scenarios in two thousand and 63 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 4: eight and now in twenty twenty three, what what's happening. 64 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, So in two thousand and seven two thousand and eight, 65 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 3: banks were over leveraged. They had bought too many mortgage 66 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,119 Speaker 3: backed securities. They assumed, like a lot of people did, 67 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: that the housing market in the United States was just 68 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: going to keep rolling and keep going higher and higher, 69 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: and they gave credit out a lot of lenders to 70 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 3: people that weren't worthy of getting that credit. So when 71 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 3: the economy hit the skids and we started to go 72 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 3: into a recession, people were getting foreclosed on their homes. 73 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 3: They realized that all these people they had loaned money 74 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 3: to were not. 75 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: Really of good credit. 76 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 3: But banks had loaded up on this credit, on these 77 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: mortgage backed securities, and they started to fail as people 78 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 3: were not able to pay their mortgages. And that was 79 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 3: a liquidity crisis where banks all of a sudden didn't 80 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 3: have money to pay back their depositors, they didn't have 81 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: money to pay lenders, they didn't have money coming in, 82 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: and they weren't lending money to each other. And some 83 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 3: of the biggest banks out there. You were talking about 84 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: mistakes you made. I and I'm the guy who invested 85 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: in Lehman Brothers at eighty, at fifty, at thirty, at 86 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: twenty at ten and finally at two, I lost a 87 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: lot of money and. 88 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 4: That can we give a comparison? 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They could 131 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: not borrow money and they were not lending money. 132 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: To each other. 133 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: So the Federal Reserve, the treasure in the FDIIC saw 134 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: what was happening with Silicon Valley Bank, and whether they 135 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 3: should have seen that months ago we could talk about. 136 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,239 Speaker 3: But they saw the fact that they were not able 137 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 3: to pay back their depositors and that they deemed them, 138 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: even though they were only the sixteenth biggest bank in 139 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 3: the country systemically important. If they couldn't pay anybody back 140 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 3: and other banks. 141 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: Wouldn't lend to them, banks wouldn't loan to. 142 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: Each other, and we would get into a liquidity crisis 143 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: like we saw in two thousand and eight. Now, the 144 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 3: biggest difference is that after two thousand and eight two 145 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 3: thousand and nine, there was there are a lot of tough 146 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 3: regulations put in place, the big ones, the Dodd Frank 147 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 3: Regulation Act that made banks have to hold a certain 148 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 3: amount of capital reserves in case their creditors or their 149 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,679 Speaker 3: depositors came for their money, and that for the biggest banks, 150 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: the twenty biggest banks has to be a certain percentage 151 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: of all deposits and assets on hand. 152 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: So they're in much stronger shape than they used to be. 153 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: Even though the Trump administration. 154 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 3: Rolled back some of those laws, most of them are 155 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 3: still in place. So the reserves these banks hold are 156 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 3: huge right now. And there's about seventeen and a half 157 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 3: trillion dollars in US banks right now. The run we 158 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: had out at Silicon Valley Bank and the little one 159 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 3: we had at Signature Bank was not that big in comparison, 160 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: there was only one hundred and eighty billion dollars in deposits. 161 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: We're talking about a banking system that's almost eighteen trillion dollars. 162 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 5: Asks a good question about what are the differences that 163 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 5: you saw between twenty eight and twenty twenty three. What 164 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 5: similar is do you see like in the mismanagement of 165 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 5: risk profiles from mortgage backed securities in two thousand and 166 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 5: eight and like the venture capital debt bubble, and what 167 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 5: parallels do you see like we're making the same mistakes. 168 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: Great question. 169 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: So we always say the Federal Reserve raises interest rate 170 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 3: until something breaks, Well, something broke. That was the balance 171 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 3: sheets of a lot of banks, a lot of regional banks. 172 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 3: Why what do regional banks do with your money? What 173 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 3: are banks in general do with our money? They loan 174 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: it out to one another, But they keep a lot 175 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: of those deposits in government backed securities US treasuries and 176 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: mortgage backed securities. Why those are supposedly the safest investments 177 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 3: on planet Earth, maybe in the whole solar system, because. 178 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,119 Speaker 2: The US government, even though it has an enormous debt. 179 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 3: Usually pays off its debt little by little, so they're safe. 180 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 3: But when the Federal Reserve raise interest rates like it 181 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 3: did for the past thirteen months aggressively north of five 182 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 3: percent here, then something breaks, and that is usually the 183 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: value of those bonds. As those interest rates went up, 184 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 3: yields went up, bond prices plummeted, so the value of 185 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: the assets and those banks that were held against deposits 186 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 3: when they mark to market them. 187 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: And that means if they say, if. 188 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 3: We had to sell those today, what those be worth? 189 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 3: They were not worth enough to cover the depositors. So 190 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 3: now the big one of the big differences is banks 191 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 3: have to have enough reserves to be able to even 192 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 3: if they have marked to market losses to cover their depositors. 193 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: That's one big thing. 194 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: But those rising interest rates, they cause a lot of 195 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 3: bank failures. That happened way back in the seventies with 196 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 3: Continental Bank. The Fed Reserve raised interest rates aggressively in 197 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 3: the eighties under Paul Volker, the tallest FED chairman out there, 198 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 3: to break inflation which was twelve percent. And guess what, 199 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: Orange County, California. The whole county failed. The whole county 200 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: went bankrupt. One of the richest counties in the world 201 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 3: went bankrupt. So your raise rates again really aggressively. In 202 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: the past year. We've lost two banks so far, we 203 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 3: may lose another. 204 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: My graduates from my school being forced bad drops drop drop. 205 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: Bad drop Drop. 206 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 6: An illegal alien from Guatemala charged with raping a child 207 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 6: in Massachusetts. An MS thirteen gang member from Al Salvador 208 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 6: accused of murdering a Texas man of Venezuelan charged with 209 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 6: filming and selling child pornography in Michigan. 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