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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stuff

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Speaker 1: I Never Told You production of I Hearted You, and

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Speaker 1: today we are so excited to be joined by Private

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Speaker 1: Investigators and new podcasters on upcoming show Private Eyes. Barry

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Speaker 1: and Jen, welcome so much. Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Yay, thanks for having us.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm excited too. I'm excited too.

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Speaker 1: I have to say, the thought of having you on

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Speaker 1: here is mayde consider a lot of like my digital

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Speaker 1: footprint and all of.

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Speaker 3: These things.

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Speaker 1: I got weirdly nervous about, like I don't know who

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Speaker 1: would investigate me.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, well we know where got you are ready?

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Speaker 1: It's like I have a podcast where I'm like telling

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Speaker 1: my whole life.

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Speaker 4: But that was really a secret.

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Speaker 5: I know, I know, but ex said, we don't know

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Speaker 5: her fanfake author names.

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Speaker 4: You can figure that out for me. That would be wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Wait did you say you know a lot about me?

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Speaker 5: Because that's also like, but there's ten fifteen thousand of

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Speaker 5: like samanthemic vains, which I found out later.

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Speaker 4: It was like, why is there so many that I'm

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Speaker 4: a secret?

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Speaker 3: Okay, oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: All right, well can you both introduce yourselves to our audience.

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Speaker 6: Sure, I'm Barry Kroll and I'm General's In.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and you're both private investigators. Can you tell us

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Speaker 1: how how that came to be? How did that become

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Speaker 1: something you did?

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Speaker 6: Okay, well I'll start with that, And so how did

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Speaker 6: how did I come to be a private investigator. It

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Speaker 6: wasn't really by design. It was not something that I

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Speaker 6: ever thought that I would do, although I kind of

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Speaker 6: I could see. Let's put it this way, when I

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Speaker 6: meet people from high school and they find out that

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Speaker 6: I'm doing this now, they all say they're not.

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Speaker 2: Surprised, which I don't know if I should be happy or.

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Speaker 6: Upset about, because I was a little bit I don't

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Speaker 6: want to say stalker ish, but I was very shy

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Speaker 6: in high school, and when my girlfriend and I did

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Speaker 6: not get invited to parties or things like that, we

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Speaker 6: sometimes found ourselves just taking a walk by those places.

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Speaker 2: Listening in, finding out what's going.

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Speaker 6: On where we weren't. And so I think I've kind

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Speaker 6: of always had that in my nature, but I certainly

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Speaker 6: didn't think I was going to make a career out

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Speaker 2: And do anything.

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Speaker 6: It's going to be so great. And it wasn't like

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Speaker 2: It was not like that. I found myself feeling very disconnected.

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Speaker 6: I didn't have a lot of friends that had children

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Speaker 2: They allowed me to do.

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Speaker 6: Like two days at home and like one day was travel,

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Speaker 6: and that was great. It was fine until the unit disbanded,

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Speaker 6: And one day I was driving my son around hoping

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Speaker 2: Exactly what I'm going to do. And like, I literally

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Speaker 6: Afternoon and I had no expectations about what that even was.

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Speaker 6: I was going through the phone book and I called

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Speaker 6: And I was like, oh god, I don't want to

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Speaker 2: And I said, well this is going to be fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I could tell already. And I went in. I met

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Speaker 6: He's like, do you want to go do surveillance this weekend?

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Speaker 2: And I was like, hell yes.

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Speaker 6: One of the guys took me out, and that day

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Speaker 6: And granted it was a job that like nothing happened

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Speaker 6: I was sold. I was in love and I never

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Speaker 6: it was a couple of years into that that Miss

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Speaker 6: Jennifer came on the scene, and that was lucky day.

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Speaker 2: She knew me in high school, so she could buy

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Speaker 2: a vouch for the fact. Oh Barry was shy in

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Speaker 2: high school. But I'll tell you she was a couple

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Speaker 7: For letting everybody only a couple, yeah right right, So yes,

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Speaker 7: we went to the same high school and her and

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Speaker 8: Like, you know, sitting there in the lunchroom, smiling like

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Speaker 2: And then they started bringing me out to lunch with them.

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Speaker 8: And I heard all her stories and funny things about her,

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Speaker 8: We you know, we went our separate ways and with work, college,

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Speaker 8: her getting married and having children. But this job actually

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Speaker 8: brought us back together. I was in sales for a

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Speaker 8: a very prominent male dominant world. Of those guys signing

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Speaker 8: about ten years in the industry. And as I started

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Speaker 8: I was a big athlete, full scholarship to play softball

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Speaker 8: at Seaton Hall University. You know, they would love that

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Speaker 8: they talked about my sports. But then as the years

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Speaker 2: And that just was not my vibe. As I went to.

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Speaker 8: sitting here in those sports stores worries. Weren't really fun

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Speaker 9: That's not me.

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Speaker 8: So I said, you know, I'm sick and tired of

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Speaker 8: being in sales that abuse and also setting unrealistic goals.

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Speaker 8: It just put a bad sour taste in my mouth.

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Speaker 8: I utilize social media and I just put it out there.

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Speaker 8: I says, does anybody you have a job for me.

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Speaker 8: I'm willing to do anything. I want to try something different.

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Speaker 9: Ring, ring, Ring.

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Speaker 8: I get a call from Barry and then here we

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Speaker 8: are nine years later, and this says, it's a dream

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Speaker 8: come true that I never dreamt.

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Speaker 9: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 8: I always I couldn't picture myself doing anything else.

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Speaker 2: It's it's just I pictured for doing it.

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Speaker 6: I know I have very good I literally I'm like,

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Speaker 6: I could so see Jen doing this, and I think

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Speaker 6: she's going to be great. Yeah, and she's amazing. Well,

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Speaker 6: she taught me everything.

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Speaker 9: I love this teach few things too.

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Speaker 5: I love that, Like because with that, seeing that she

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Speaker 5: needed a job that you're like, Okay, these are.

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Speaker 4: The skills that I saw. What what are these skills that.

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Speaker 5: You're like, yes, this is that she's going to make

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Speaker 2: Well. Number one, she said she would do anything.

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Speaker 2: You literally have to do anything.

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Speaker 6: And everything in this field. You know, I knew her personality.

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Speaker 6: I knew that she was a lot of fun. I mean,

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Speaker 6: we're hard working, hard, laughing over here. I mean that's

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Speaker 6: that's basically how we run the show. We're not we're

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Speaker 6: not corporate at all. We're pretty easy going that way.

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Speaker 6: But there are certain things about this type of career,

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Speaker 6: this field that aren't really negotiable that you have to

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Speaker 6: able to do anything. And I knew she could do anything.

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Speaker 6: And I knew that her look was fantastic. She is

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Speaker 6: that's another quality that you have to have. The other

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Speaker 6: things that are really important, like having some kind of

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Speaker 6: to speak.

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Speaker 2: That wasn't sure, but she was amazing.

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Speaker 6: We hone those skills and she's great, you know, attention

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Speaker 6: to detail, all of those things that they make a

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Speaker 6: good private investigator. And number one of those skills probably

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Speaker 6: most important is tenacity. And she was a big sports

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Speaker 6: star in high school. I knew that about her. She

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Speaker 6: was a hard worker, So I mean, how could she

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Speaker 9: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: I told you. I love her. She's so sweet.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love this because I hadn't really thought about

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Speaker 1: it before. But a lot of people I look back

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Speaker 1: in high school, they'd be online, you know, on Facebook

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Speaker 3: So okay, the skills they do start, yeah at that age.

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Speaker 1: Well, that big said, can you break down what exactly

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Speaker 1: your job generally entails, because I feel like there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of misconceptions that the media has fetas about this, oh.

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Speaker 2: One hundred misconceptions just you know.

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Speaker 6: Or you're from prior law enforcement, you've had law enforcement experience,

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Speaker 6: It's somebody that is able to be resourceful tenacious.

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Speaker 6: And a lot of people are really shocked when I

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, that's one of the biggest reasons why

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Speaker 2: So what is the job all about?

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Speaker 5: Right? And I find that interesting. So within this industry,

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Speaker 2: Whatever the case may be. And that's not true.

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Speaker 2: And people don't know that human behavior is what we

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Speaker 3: Yes, So I'm just curious.

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Speaker 1: In a really general way.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so in a general way, somebody comes to me

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Speaker 6: They would reach out to me, either you know, call

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Speaker 2: They would just reach out.

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Speaker 6: And the first thing I'd want to do is just

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Speaker 6: And anytime somebody's telling you to doubt your feelings and

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Speaker 6: They're just you know, losing confidence in the relationship for

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Speaker 2: Something that happened in their past.

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Speaker 6: An investigation will will bring truth to that as well.

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Speaker 6: So what we would do is we would discuss those things,

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Speaker 6: the patterns, behaviors, then implement a plan for some type

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Speaker 6: And typically, and this is why I tell all clients

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Speaker 6: If someone is having an affair and their partner is

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Speaker 2: And I got to tell you, and I think you

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Speaker 6: When somebody does suspect their partner of cheating and everything

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Speaker 8: And on the opposite end of that, sometimes we're like,

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Speaker 8: Not right away, but after a few days we're and

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Speaker 2: To look a little efficient.

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Speaker 6: E's singly enough. It's not that that usually happens, and

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, that makes sense.

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Speaker 5: Well, how many of these cases, because I'm sure you

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Speaker 6: So the majority of our cases we do a lot

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Speaker 2: We're very heavy.

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Speaker 6: In that that part of the the the industry, but

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Speaker 2: And you know, they're they're.

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Speaker 6: And what's unique about this job, we're not looking to

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Speaker 6: This job just being able to see both sides, and

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Speaker 2: They are, and it alleviates a lot of questions for them.

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Speaker 6: It helps them to develop a settlement strategy, you know,

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Speaker 6: like high level background investigations, social media research, all of

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Speaker 5: Okay, so I saw that you actually did some for

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 6: I loved it yeah, it was great. I mean, to

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Speaker 2: And that's that's other work that we do. We get

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Speaker 9: What about the one that wanted us to find their ashes?

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: When i'm when i'm if, I'm not like super busy

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Speaker 6: that cat job, sure, why not?

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Speaker 4: This this is okay, let's do this.

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Speaker 9: Tives too on the side.

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Speaker 4: I love that you're all encompassing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it kind of reminds me of like my

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Speaker 6: my phone and right off the bat, somebody's telling me,

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Speaker 6: you know, their entire life story and what should they do.

447
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 2: And of course I was like, I'm all into it.

448
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, this is what you should do. How

449
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 2: are you feeling it?

450
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 6: A lot of it is counseling, and it's to a

451
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 6: great extent, And while I'm not a therapist, I can

452
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 6: I can draw from my professional experience of my other

453
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 6: clients things that they did to.

454
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: Improve their life and move on or not move on.

455
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 6: I mean, that's a big part of the conversation when

456
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Speaker 6: I have a client who again, let's go back to

457
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 6: to a cheating spouse, for example, depending on the outcome

458
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 6: of our investigation, the trajectory of their whole life may

459
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 6: have to change. Everything that they knew could be different

460
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 6: or not. And that's okay. Just because somebody is cheating

461
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 6: doesn't mean you got to pack your bags and go.

462
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: Every situation is different.

463
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 6: There's a lot of context, and it takes too to

464
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 6: make it and to to break it. And I really

465
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 6: encourage people to dig deep and think about those things

466
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 6: and before they engage a private investiator to have a plan.

467
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,479
Speaker 2: And a plan doesn't mean a plan to act.

468
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 6: It could be a plan not to necessarily react right away,

469
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 6: but to know what's going on.

470
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 2: That is the key.

471
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 6: Just to have some control that you weren't crazy, you

472
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 6: weren't seeing things, you weren't imagining it.

473
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 2: This is what's really happening.

474
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 6: Barry got me this great surveillance video that just confirms

475
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 6: my feelings.

476
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 2: I'm going to put it in my back pocket it

477
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: and I'm ahead of the game. I don't have to

478
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: do anything now.

479
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 6: They find some solace in that that knowing they weren't crazy,

480
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 6: they're in control and they can do whatever they need

481
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 6: to do at any point in time.

482
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 2: You know, I don't don't encourage.

483
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 6: People necessarily take action, but I encourage them to think,

484
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 6: to think about a plan, to think about possible actions

485
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 6: based on just my my professional experience.

486
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 8: And you do the same with the people that, yeah,

487
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 8: absolutely and you know, one of the things is just

488
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 8: listening to Barry speak to the people that call in.

489
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 8: You know, she just provides them such good advice, you know,

490
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 8: and she'll be honest with them too, like very honest

491
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 8: and I am not a good liar, Yeah, I'm.

492
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Speaker 9: That's the number one thing in this job is that.

493
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 2: That's why I had no friends and I on our friend.

494
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 9: We have to you know, we're honest.

495
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 8: Obviously the people are subjects aren't sometimes, but you know,

496
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 8: Barry will say, listen, you know this this isn't for you,

497
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 8: or this is for you, and you know, if you're

498
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 8: thinking these things, then something must be going on or

499
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 8: A hard part of this job.

500
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 6: Is being sensitive to people's people's feelings, you know, because

501
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 6: you might hear a story and that is freaking crazy.

502
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 6: This lady's out of her mind. And sometimes we get

503
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 6: people that call that that are are out there. They

504
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 6: have questions about people. You know, they think a dentists

505
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 6: implanted something in their their tooths so that they're being

506
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 6: tracked remotely there. I mean, we've had a lot of

507
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 6: calls like that, things about aliens. You want to be

508
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 6: sensitive to people, but at the same time, yeah, you know,

509
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 6: you have to have that tack to try to.

510
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 2: Send them a different avenue. So it's not something that's

511
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: kind of like the impossible for us to help you with.

512
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 6: But here's somebody that, you know, here's a bugsweep guy

513
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 6: that you can call and that might help you.

514
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: You know, you think that.

515
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 9: They all think that they're being listened.

516
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 5: So you know, I've seen a lot of TikTok creators,

517
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 5: especially one specific one that's an investigator, and I see

518
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 5: her doing the cameras and watching and she has a

519
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 5: lot of times been like there's nothing here, but you know,

520
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 5: really really fascinating. But with that, with the fact that

521
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 5: there's so many crossovers, how did you what made you

522
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 5: think podcasts? Yes, we need to take what we do,

523
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 5: our stories and put it on a podcast because you

524
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 5: are I think one of the first ones that I've

525
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 5: actually heard of doing this specific topic, which I love.

526
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 5: But with this specific like women in the industry, what

527
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 5: does this look like, let's have a conversation about why

528
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 5: it's important that private investigators exist and why you might

529
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 5: need one as well as how do you get involved?

530
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 5: So what made you say, yes, this is the platform

531
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Speaker 5: for us.

532
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 6: So my thought process behind this was and you brought

533
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 6: up the Oxygen show Finding my Father. And ever since

534
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 6: I started this business, for the last i'd say fifteen years,

535
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 6: contacted left and right from producers, different production companies, different

536
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 6: networks wanting to do a TV show about women private investigators.

537
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 6: And this show all these years later, whether it featured

538
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 6: me or somebody else, does not exist.

539
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 2: It just doesn't exist.

540
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 6: And the reason why is, you know, networks want to

541
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 6: show the real deal. They want to see surveillance, real surveillance.

542
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 6: There's there's no way to gauge or manage how long

543
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 6: it will take to get to an outcome. It could

544
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 6: take hours, it could take days, it could take weeks,

545
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 6: even any kind of years.

546
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 2: That you're doing. Yes, we came here, We've gone for years,

547
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: exactly right. So so that.

548
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 6: Always that always bothered me, that it just never got

549
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 6: the exposure.

550
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: And I wanted the exposure to be real.

551
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 6: A lot of times, a lot of networks wanted me

552
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 6: to be crazy, and they wanted me to expose all

553
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 6: of my you know, my.

554
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: Clients and my stories. I could never do that.

555
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 6: I'm a real deal private investigator. So I thought, like,

556
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 6: what we need an angle to expose people to this

557
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 6: industry where we get to tell our stories, and some

558
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 6: of them are crazy.

559
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 2: A lot of them are crazy.

560
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 6: We see a lot of crazy things that have nothing

561
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 6: to do with our job. But while you're sitting on

562
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 6: surveillance or doing whatever you're doing, you see it all

563
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 6: from from like drug deals to like just I don't know,

564
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,959
Speaker 6: people making out, fighting everything, throw the bottles at people

565
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 6: in the middle of like early in the morning, fight,

566
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 6: people picking their buttons, picking their no I mean, all

567
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 6: kinds of terrible things, like anything that when you think

568
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 6: someone's not watching, should I do this, don't do it?

569
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: Somebody's probably watching you. But anyway, we see it all.

570
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 6: But so I thought, like this, there's a platform that

571
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 6: I felt like we could be creative and have that

572
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 6: creative outlet and really tell people about what we do

573
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 6: and also how does that affect our lives?

574
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 2: How does the.

575
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 6: Outcome and investigation affect our client's lives. So it's not

576
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 6: just about the crazy stories that people want to see.

577
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 6: I mean, there'll be plenty of that, but it's also

578
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 6: the tips. It's also you know, what happened to you know,

579
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 6: to Pam whose husband you know, was living a double life.

580
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 6: We actually talk about what happened to Pam after and

581
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 6: how she was able to move on and how she

582
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 6: found success after being you know, a stayed home mom

583
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 6: without a career, and where is she now after all

584
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 6: the terrible things that have happened to her?

585
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 9: How did she change her life.

586
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: For the better.

587
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 6: So it's it's an interesting look seeing all sides, all

588
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 6: sides of the story because there's always you know, the truth,

589
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 6: three sides, yours and mine, what's really happening. So we

590
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 6: kind of that's kind of the focus of our lens,

591
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 6: so to speak, of what we talk about.

592
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 4: I love that.

593
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 5: So when is the podcast coming out? What is all

594
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 5: of the details that we need to know so we

595
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 5: can get ahead of it, subscribe to it, all those things.

596
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 8: Yes, we actually were launching on August seventh, and we

597
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 8: are will be on Apple and Spotify, and you can

598
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 8: also see a video component of our show on our

599
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 8: YouTube channel.

600
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 5: Oh okay, that's so everybody get that on your schedule

601
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 5: because we're not done talking. I just wanted to make

602
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 5: sure we put that in there, and then we're gonna

603
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 5: put it at the end this again, but you know,

604
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 5: just go ahead and get that in our minds because

605
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 5: we need to remember August.

606
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Speaker 4: Seventh, it got it, got it.

607
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 5: So, you know, I find it fascinating because Pi's is

608
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 5: so interesting because it's not just you know, yes, you've

609
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 5: got the kind of like the tea bits that you're like, oh,

610
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 5: I want to know about this, but you also kind

611
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 5: of go down like almost a true crime route as well.

612
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Speaker 4: Do you see an overlap in that for your show?

613
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 6: I think, I mean the investigation component, what it is

614
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 6: going through, just the strategy, going through the steps like

615
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 6: coming up. I mean, you always have to although you

616
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 6: know we're we are not biased in the sense of

617
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 6: we know somebody did this or we know somebody did that,

618
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 6: we have to have some kind of the or your

619
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 6: hypothesis to take us down certain roads to flush them out.

620
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 6: Is this the right Are we going down the right path?

621
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 6: Or we should we be going down this path instead?

622
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,959
Speaker 6: And I think, you know, the strategy of how we

623
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 6: do that is really interesting. I mean just even steps

624
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 6: to find a Facebook account of somebody that's using an alias,

625
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 6: how we use our databases, how we flush out relatives,

626
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 6: how we you know, different.

627
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 2: Tips and tricks like using unique names.

628
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 6: Like there's a lot of Samantham mcvays out there, But

629
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 6: we're going to find that one relative of yours who

630
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 6: has this really really uncommon name that nobody else could have,

631
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 6: and we're gonna find them really quick on Facebook, and

632
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 6: then we're going to start all of their friends and

633
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 6: we're gonna.

634
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: Go down here.

635
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, and then all of a sudden, boom, we find

636
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 8: a right and it all comes together.

637
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

638
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 6: So it's it's you know, there's a lot of programs

639
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 6: out there that say, like, oh, we could find there's nothing.

640
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 6: There's no AI that can do what I do. There

641
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 6: just isn't And they say, I'm.

642
00:31:59,040 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: Sure it's not just me.

643
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 6: I'm sure there are plenty of people out there that

644
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 6: are good at doing that research. That makes a great

645
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 6: investigator because it could take hours, if not days to

646
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 6: do it sometimes, and it's that tenacity that that gets

647
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 6: the answer. There's no AI that's going to figure out

648
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 6: you know, Jen is actually using the Facebook page name

649
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 6: I Love Cats or whatever, and you know connect it

650
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 6: to her. You got to go through all of those

651
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 6: channels and and find the connection. So, I mean, that's

652
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 6: obviously a very simple investigation.

653
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: It's it's it's not.

654
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 6: True crime or anything, but the methodology is the same

655
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 6: it's it's and that's what people find interesting.

656
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 8: And sometimes we don't find a picture. Sometimes we don't

657
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 8: find all the full information, just a little piece. Sometimes

658
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 8: it just doesn't Again, we just we have to go

659
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 8: out on the field. And it's not so much doing

660
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 8: investigation through our computer, but it's actually doing investigations out

661
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 8: on the road, not knowing where the person looks, like,

662
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 8: where they live, like, kind of just trying to put

663
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 8: things together.

664
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Speaker 9: You know that it's a lot of work.

665
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 6: That's a great point because a lot of people think like, well,

666
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 6: I can find out anything on the internet, and there's

667
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 6: some things you just can't.

668
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: You just can't, and you have.

669
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 6: To go out and you have to to actually, you know,

670
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 6: get in the field and pound the pavement and knock

671
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 6: on doors and do interviews and you know, do surveillance

672
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 6: on people, places and things.

673
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: And that's how you get your answers.

674
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 9: You got to get through the gatekeepers. I always said,

675
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 9: it's one of my favorite words is to think fast.

676
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 8: You know, it's coming up with a quick story to

677
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 8: get them to answer your question. So if I knock

678
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 8: on a window of an apartment building, but it's security

679
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 8: and I said, oh, I need to see so and so,

680
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 8: and my grandma made some cookies for her.

681
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 9: She can't come down. Oh, she's not allowed down. I'm like, please, please,

682
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 9: can I go up there? I have cookies for her,

683
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 9: you know.

684
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 8: And you just have to like learn to be quick

685
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 8: and fast and be creative and whatever. Sometimes that cookie

686
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 8: thing could take you wherever.

687
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 4: But on a non existing GM, I just read that

688
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 4: one on the fly.

689
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 8: I never did my grandma's cookies, but I use my

690
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 8: grandma for a lot of stilling those cookies, so it's interesting.

691
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 3: Yes, oh, yes, One thing I wanted to go back to.

692
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,479
Speaker 1: We've been talking about how this has traditionally been, both

693
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: in media and in history, a male dominated industry, but

694
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: this is changing. One thing I was thinking about when

695
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: I was imagining, like if I wanted to go to

696
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: a PI, I would want to go to a woman,

697
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: Like I feel like there would be situations, especially if

698
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to cry my heart out about I don't

699
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: know this guy I think is bad news. Like, I

700
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: just feel like there's certain situations where going to a

701
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: woman I would like to have that option. Do you

702
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: feel that you've seeing that do you feel that there's

703
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: maybe a different skill set? I know you said that,

704
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: you know, people don't think private invest hares are women,

705
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: so therefore you kind of have that going for you.

706
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 6: Interestingly enough, I mostly hear that from men that want

707
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 6: a female investigator because they they have conjured up in

708
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 6: their mind it's gonna be like a cop.

709
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: It's gonna be real detective looking, and I.

710
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 6: Don't want to get caught, and I want it to

711
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 6: be not threatening in any way.

712
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty even.

713
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 6: In terms of women that have expressed I feel comfortable

714
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 6: talking to a woman, but men are really great with it,

715
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 6: and I think they kind of think that I'm going

716
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 6: to help them in some way, or they're feeling less

717
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 6: threatened by me in a sense that I'm not judging

718
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 6: them like another guy would like, Oh, you're letting your

719
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 6: wife cheat on you, buddy, Like that's pretty messing up.

720
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: You're real, you know what you know?

721
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 4: Like you know.

722
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: I think that.

723
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 6: At the other flip side is I've had clients who

724
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 6: are like.

725
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 2: I really need to work with you. You're a woman.

726
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 2: I think you're going to be great.

727
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 6: There is a component there are certain men that think

728
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 6: they're going to control me and manipulate me in some

729
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,479
Speaker 6: way to do certain things or the way they think

730
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 6: they want the investigation to be. So it's an interesting

731
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 6: dynamic being a woman and being able to know, you know,

732
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 6: those types of clients, and I've gotten pretty astute at

733
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 6: like figuring out who they are. There's certain triggering words

734
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 6: that they'll say, and I'm like, we're not doing this guy,

735
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 6: I don't care if he wants a woman.

736
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: There's other women you can go and find.

737
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 6: It's not going to be me, but I think there

738
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 6: are And I again, I think I've had this express

739
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 6: to me more from men clients than from women, that they.

740
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: Are more comfortable working with a woman.

741
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 6: And part of it, I think being their own insecurities

742
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 6: and the threat to the subject that we're watching.

743
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: That they don't want to get caught.

744
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 6: They're scared, they're nervous about it, and they feel more

745
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 6: secure having a woman do the job.

746
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 8: Yes, because nobody thinks a woman exactly following.

747
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 6: They don't want to they don't want that that cop feel.

748
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 4: I guess she's getting kids.

749
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 3: Give me a lot to think about.

750
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well, as you said, a lot of this

751
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: can be very you know, heartbreaking or difficult or whatever

752
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: to share, perhaps embarrassing to share This is going to

753
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: sound like a strange question, but I've heard it all

754
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: with you. I mean, yeah, sure, now that I say that,

755
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: this is not even going to sound strange you at all.

756
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: But like, at the end of the investigation, do you

757
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: feel like people have closure? Like what is the feeling

758
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: that they have?

759
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 6: I think for the most part, yes, there is definitely

760
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 6: there is definitely a sense of closure For a lot

761
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 6: of people.

762
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: We get a lot of repeats. We get a lot

763
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: of repeats, whether one way or the other.

764
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 6: So even when we have a case where we caught

765
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 6: their part and are cheating, they come back to us

766
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 6: a couple years later. And that's why it's so important

767
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 6: when I had that initial conversation with them to say,

768
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 6: you know what, don't go blowing this out of the water.

769
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 6: Don't take this video and run to your partner and say,

770
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 6: oh I got you, I got you, because you might

771
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 6: not leave that person might.

772
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: Say I'm going to change, Everything's going to.

773
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 6: Be great, and then guess what, a year later, you're

774
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 6: finding yourself feeling the same way. And now they know

775
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 6: that you've had surveillance on them before because you showed

776
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 6: them the video, it's going to be that much harder

777
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 6: to catch them next time, So I say put it in.

778
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: Your back pocket so you really figure out where things

779
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: are going.

780
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 5: Well, obviously y'all see a lot, a lot, a lot

781
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 5: as well as you've been through a lot. I know

782
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 5: there were points that you had probably people threatening you

783
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 5: and or accusing you of being the doubtful of their relationship,

784
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 5: as if you had something to do with it. What

785
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 5: do you do for yourself to and also, this is

786
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 5: not a nine to five job, obviously you are constantly

787
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 5: having to be on looking around.

788
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 4: What do you do to disconnect?

789
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 5: Because I can't imagine it's that easy.

790
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 6: We have you know, even when we're not in the field,

791
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 6: they're doing investigations, so you know, we have investigators that

792
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 6: report to us, so we're constantly unfortunately, and as a

793
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 6: business owner, you know it's it's not a nine to

794
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 6: five You're right, So I guess the best way to

795
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 6: disconnect is like the one opportunity to go on vacation

796
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 6: with it.

797
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: Please don't call me, please good.

798
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, Barry and I are always working twenty four to seven, but.

799
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 9: We do that because we love it.

800
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 8: This is Barry's business, so obviously it's her life and

801
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 8: I love it, and I love Barry, and I want

802
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 8: to make Barry happy, and I want our business to grow.

803
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 8: And I really like being exactly where I am today.

804
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 9: I wish I started a long time ago with her.

805
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 8: But you know, when I'm home, I we're still doing

806
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 8: our normal on the weekends, doing our daily activities and

807
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 8: at the same time answering phone calls, you know, so

808
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 8: it's the same thing. My wife may be like, hey, what,

809
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 8: I'm like, hold on a second, So what do you do?

810
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: You do anything to you like, you have hobbies that

811
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: you do.

812
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 9: I mean, I like to you know, over the years,

813
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 9: things have changed.

814
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 8: I used to be like very into like being an

815
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 8: athlete and doing like obstacle course races and stuff. But

816
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 8: now I enjoy like my time home with you know,

817
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 8: my wife and my step son and going to his

818
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 8: wrestling matches or football or you know. That's kind of

819
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 8: you know, I have a big family, so you know,

820
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 8: spending time, you know, with them and just doing little things.

821
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 8: I live near the beach, going for a walk with

822
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 8: my dogs. I mean, it's just a little time to

823
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 8: relax and then I'm back out there. But you know,

824
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 8: private investigation, it's it's not just a you know, an

825
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 8: eight hour day, right, you know, ever know where.

826
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 6: You're going to end up, how long you know your

827
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 6: subject is going to be out and about and you

828
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 6: have to stay with them.

829
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: You know, till the end.

830
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I think my longest hour day was

831
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 8: a seventeen hour day. And my longest drive following someone

832
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 8: was from New Jersey to Ohio.

833
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 9: Oh dang, yes, And you like really don't know.

834
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 8: But I can blend into any situation. The car is

835
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 8: packed and loaded. So if I have to follow Barry

836
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 8: home right now, I can spy on her. If she

837
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 8: changes to go out on the boat, I can.

838
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: I will be bored, yeah, but.

839
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'll be here.

840
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 4: So essentially, you just try to grasp a moment just to.

841
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 2: Know. I think that's how you live your life anyway.

842
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 6: You know, when things are great, you go with it

843
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 6: and you're happy, and you've got to try and be

844
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 6: in that moment and prefer not to look at my

845
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 6: phone or anything like that, and that I'm happy for

846
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 6: a minute.

847
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, we take turns.

848
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 8: We'll say okay, we'll share, we share, we share, you

849
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 8: get today, I'll take all the calls and we're pretty

850
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 8: good about that.

851
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 9: So it's a good balance.

852
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 2: We share.

853
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 5: We share well, not that I'm asking for a specific reason,

854
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 5: and I don't have any plots or anything. But if

855
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 5: I were to need to get off the grid, what

856
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 5: would you say? What are the steps and things I

857
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 5: should be doing in order for me to be not found?

858
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 9: Don't have a phone and get off social media?

859
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: Get off?

860
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, start off slow, no social media, that's the best

861
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 6: way to go. And then there's obviously other companies that

862
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 6: can help wipe you off all of those databases that

863
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 6: come up, like we see Amantham McVeigh that is, you know,

864
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 6: twenty years old and lives in blah blah blah blah

865
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 6: blah blah blah. There's there's there's products out there that

866
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 6: can help you work through wiping that out as much

867
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 6: as possible. I I honestly, it's it's really hard. It's

868
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 6: really hard.

869
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 2: But social media would definitely be number one.

870
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 6: You know, using certain applications on your phone, obviously the

871
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 6: ones that have location and tracking, you want to get

872
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 6: rid of those.

873
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 9: Get a track phone, yeah, get a track phone.

874
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: And you could still.

875
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 6: Use your you know, your your fancy phones if you want,

876
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 6: but you know, just don't. I wouldn't use Siri or

877
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 6: Snapchat or anything that has maps and things that you know,

878
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 6: Google that share your location, make sure those are all

879
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 6: shut off.

880
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 2: And I would Yeah, number one.

881
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 6: Social media I think is the killer, the killer of

882
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 6: all things.

883
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun for a minute and then.

884
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 6: It's just just sucks it down a black hole and

885
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 6: everybody knows everything about you that you wish that they didn't, and.

886
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 8: And people that don't know about you can find us

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Speaker 8: out about it.

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Speaker 6: We always like remark every time we have a case

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Speaker 6: where it's like this person is just blowing up their

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Speaker 6: social media, like literally telling us where they are going.

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Speaker 9: We're going to.

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Speaker 6: Cape May for the weekend, and we're staying in this

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Speaker 6: hotel and I'm like, you're going to.

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Speaker 2: This hotel and came back.

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Speaker 9: Then I'm tagging my going off. The girl is there.

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Speaker 2: We're watching her for like three days when I got

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Speaker 2: it with her.

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Speaker 6: Family, she's got her room, we're all set up. Every

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Speaker 6: time that happens, I'm like, this isn't going to happen again.

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Speaker 6: These people are going to get smart. No, no, nope,

901
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Speaker 6: everybody's dumb.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's still dumb. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 6: They just cannot resist. So the first way to get

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Speaker 6: off the grid. Stop stop sharing your stuff?

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Speaker 9: Yes, social stories, you got it?

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Speaker 2: Do that now?

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Speaker 8: Just kidding, Well, you can't find anything out about you?

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Speaker 9: Different story, yes, honest, a way for that.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for joining us. This has

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Speaker 1: been such a fun conversation. I know that we could

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Speaker 1: talk so much more.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 1: If you're welcome back anytime, fantastic. Yes, if you're ever

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta, We're always around.

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Speaker 2: I've been there. I like it.

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Speaker 9: I've never been there, so I haven't got it out

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Speaker 9: my phone.

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Speaker 2: Actually none of our cases.

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Speaker 4: Is there cases down here?

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: But in the meantime before we get to meet you,

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Speaker 1: do have a new podcast. The first season's on infidelity correct, Yes,

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Speaker 1: primarily primarily all right, So can you tell the good

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Speaker 1: listeners where they can find you?

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Speaker 8: Well, you can find us on Apple and Spotify.

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Speaker 9: We launch on August seventh, and.

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Speaker 8: If you want to be featured on our show so

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Speaker 8: we can talk about either your story or some advice,

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Speaker 8: you can email us at the private Eyzed podcast at

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Speaker 8: gmail dot com.

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Speaker 4: Do y'all have social media? We can follow.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Our live component of the show you can see on

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Speaker 8: our YouTube channel. We also have an Instagram page, and

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Speaker 8: we also have a TikTok page all at Private eye Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Awesome and you can contact us. You can email us

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Speaker 1: at stuffan your Mom, stuff at heeartmanu dot com. You

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Speaker 1: can find us on Twitter at moms podcast, our Instagram

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Speaker 1: and TikTok at stuff I've Never Told You. We have

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Speaker 1: a tea public store, we have a YouTube page, and

942
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Speaker 1: we have a book you can get wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your books. Special shout out to Alex, producer of the

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Speaker 1: Private Eyzed podcast who helps set this up.

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Speaker 3: And as always, thank you to.

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Speaker 1: Our super producer Christina, our executivedruser Mya, and our contributor Joey.

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Speaker 1: Thank you and thanks to you for listening Stuff I

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Speaker 1: Never Told You the projection of by Heart Radio for our

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Speaker 1: podcast from our Heart Radio, You can check out the

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