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Speaker 1: good night. Yes, I know, I know.

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Speaker 1: Today on the Bobbycast, Morgan Evans is here. You've seen

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Speaker 1: the headlines, I've heard the song. Should probably watch everything

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Speaker 1: Morgan's actually going to talk about his side of the

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Speaker 1: last few years, from a very public divorce to disappearing

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Speaker 1: back home to Australia in therapy and rebuilding his life

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Speaker 1: and making what might be his most personal record ever.

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Speaker 1: I think it is. Now he's back with the brand

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Speaker 1: new album Steell Talent out March twentieth, a new tour,

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Speaker 1: and yes, a new love. Here he is unfiltered, honest

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Speaker 1: and ready to talk. It is Morgan Evans. I feel

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Speaker 1: like sometimes I want to text you, but then I

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Speaker 1: text you. That's just my confession to you.

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Speaker 3: As a friend, you should always text me.

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Speaker 1: I don't like people texting me at one or two am,

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Speaker 2: And I found the time that i'd spent meditating really

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Speaker 2: Like my grandparents have been married seventy years, my parents

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Speaker 2: And I still remember the advice you gave me, and

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00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,640
Speaker 2: it kept me going through that time because you said,

444
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 2: there's only two ways you can deal with this. You

445
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,919
Speaker 2: need to go and say everything as loudly as you

446
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 2: can and be as honest as you can, or you

447
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 2: just need to go away, don't say anything and live

448
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 2: your best life. And I got that same advice from

449
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:51,160
Speaker 2: my therapist and some rock star friends and country friends,

450
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 2: but you were the first guy that gave it to me,

451
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 2: and I just appreciated that so much because during that time,

452
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 2: I had like a record label management team that were like,

453
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 2: you need to go do a tell all interview and

454
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 2: like or like do a podcast or like whatever it

455
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 2: was at the time. And so, yeah, that gave me

456
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 2: a really good grounding. I feel like you reaching out

457
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 2: as a mate without a vested interest.

458
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 3: I knew you weren't.

459
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 2: Trying to like make money from me or anything like that,

460
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 2: and so I thank you for that.

461
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 3: True.

462
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,679
Speaker 1: Well, I hope you also know that I and this

463
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 1: business is weird because everybody travels. Yeah, but like you'd

464
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 1: be one of the people if you were like, hey,

465
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: can you see if you match for a kidney, I

466
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 1: would give you a kidney, Like I really would. Like,

467
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 1: there's like seven it's hard in this town to have

468
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 1: other creatives that you feel like you trust, even though

469
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 1: you don't get to see them as much because this

470
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 1: industry is I won't say nomadic because we don't move,

471
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: but we're gone a lot.

472
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

473
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, that if I don't see it for nine months

474
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: and you came back and you're like, hey, yeah, whatever

475
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 1: you need. Yeah, I got like seven people on this

476
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 1: sound you're one of them. And going through anything, and

477
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 1: I've had it happen to me anything extremely public where

478
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: you are highly criticized, Especially the first couple of times,

479
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 1: it just feels it's so foreign and it's foreignly hurtful.

480
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 1: All you see and feel is all the negative, and

481
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 1: that's I didn't feel bad for you. I empathize with

482
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 1: you because I remember, I remember reaching out and I

483
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: never tell anybody, Hey, if you need anybody, hit me

484
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: up and don't mean it, because I don't say that

485
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 1: very often. Yeah, but I'm like I can shed some

486
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 1: advice based on the poor experiences that I've had. We

487
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: built a little pickaball net out there on that court.

488
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: We played. It's awesome. We went to Kansas, Iowa to

489
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: a basketball game in the ice and snow, and it

490
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 1: was just like, there are times where you really need community.

491
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: There are times where I really need a community, and

492
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 1: I hated to see that for you. I talk about

493
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: perspective a lot, and you only get perspective if you've

494
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: been through some crap. Like, perspective is never free. Nobody

495
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: gets to have the benefit of a ton of perspective

496
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: unless they've actually been through it. I think now you're

497
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: back with a lot of perspective.

498
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is one hundred percent sure, one hundred cent.

499
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 2: Sure, it's funny you see everything a little little more

500
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 2: differently now, But yeah, that meant a lot man, I

501
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 2: don't want to don't want to let that slide.

502
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: So it didn't slide, and I know it. And I

503
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: don't even mind sharing this. I there's a text message

504
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: that means a lot to me that I get to

505
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 1: share now with people because sometimes I'll just say what happened.

506
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 1: I was talking to Granger Smith on a podcast and

507
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: I know Granger, no Grangeer for a long time, and

508
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 1: his kid tragically died in a poll accident, and so

509
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 1: Grangeer and I were talking about it, and Granger had

510
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: set with this person who's had a similar thing, and

511
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: I was like, I talk Granger, I so I can.

512
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how you did that that you sit

513
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 1: there for hours and you listen to this person. I said,

514
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 1: I don't know that I'm that good of a person

515
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 1: to be and you message me You're like, dude, I

516
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: was listening to that, like you are that good a

517
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: person because you did that with me, and like I

518
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: was like, dang, Like that made me actually like myself

519
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: a little bit when I struggle with liking myself a

520
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: little bit. So I appreciate that. But I know you

521
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 1: meant it, and I hope you know that I meant well.

522
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: I mean not even meant. It's not past tense, like

523
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: cats out of the bag. We love each other. Now

524
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: this is not just a normal interview, but like, yeah,

525
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: I hated to see that for you, and I got

526
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: really defensive for you. You didn't ask me to it all.

527
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: No, that was hard. That was hard.

528
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: It was really hard for you.

529
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

530
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 4: And let's take a quick pause for a message from

531
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 4: our sponsor. Wow, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

532
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 4: I'm glad you're back too. You made music about it, yeah, yeah,

533
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 4: but you have decisions to make, like what are you

534
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 4: gonna put in the music?

535
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: Because you just I'm in it. This is my opinion

536
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: you had that you had things unfairly said about you.

537
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: You're not saying this, I'm saying this, in my opinion,

538
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: you have things unfairly said about you. Yeah, piss me off.

539
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 3: Pissed me off.

540
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure.

541
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a whole You go through all the stages

542
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: of grief with her, right like oh my god, and

543
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 2: then you kind of get angry and like whatever, and

544
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 2: then I don't know, like we've probably talked about this

545
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: that day, but you know that that day was more

546
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 2: about like your experience of how to best navigate personally,

547
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: you know, making decisions, but dealing with an online kind

548
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: of that kind of online vitriol is almost a skill

549
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 2: you have to learn too, or I don't know, some

550
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: techniques you have to learn for that, And what have

551
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: you found that's the most the most helpful.

552
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: So it never doesn't hurt. But if I'm ever in

553
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: a bad place or I'm mentally slightly unwell placed, it

554
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: hurts way worse. So I stay out of that area

555
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: in times where I know that if for some reason

556
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: there's some vulnerability in me, for whatever reason, something didn't

557
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: go right at home, at work, maybe I didn't get

558
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: to sleep like I think my education in that is

559
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: unless I'm ready to battle, don't go into battle. And

560
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: by battling, that's just reading it, that's just going into it.

561
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: And with me, another thing is I always feel like

562
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: everybody hates me. If I spend any time online or

563
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: in DMS or just generally, I feel like everybody hates me.

564
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: But I have to use the rational part of my

565
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: brain to note that's not true. So I think I've

566
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: developed that skill to go that can't be true realistically,

567
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: Let's look at data. Because I always feel like I'm

568
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: hated by everybody.

569
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: It's funny how it's funny how you can have ten

570
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: or a thousand or two thousand comments and then like

571
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: one percent of them would be negative, and that like

572
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 2: you almost like look forward to something like you'll ignore

573
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 2: the non positives.

574
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: How did you deal with things being said about you

575
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: that you didn't feel were fair?

576
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, there's some stages of it,

577
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 2: Like I didn't come to this realization quickly or immediately, but.

578
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 3: In my case, it didn't feel like it necessarily had

579
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 3: a lot to do with me, but.

580
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: It was presented as it was exactly you.

581
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: It was, yeah, And I think I think maybe I

582
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: was presented or made out to be or became an

583
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: archetype for any guy that had done any woman wrong

584
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 2: during that period of time. And like some of the

585
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: stuff was just like what is that didn't even make sense?

586
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 2: I can't think of anything off the top of my

587
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: head right now, But I would read stuff like what

588
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: like what are you talking about?

589
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 3: You know?

590
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: And and like you say, it doesn't not hurt, But

591
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: I found that the sooner I could catch myself before

592
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 2: I felt the hurt, like I could read it and

593
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: then maybe sometimes, like you say, like if you're jet

594
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: lagged or something like that, you're more susceptible to it.

595
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: But I don't know anyone that writes negative comments.

596
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: I don't either.

597
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 2: I've never I can't imagine you're doing it. I've never

598
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: done it, And I can't imagine what kind of a

599
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: space you'd have to be and to get online and

600
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: want to write something about somebody like that. And so

601
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 2: I guess the thought process kind of started there. And

602
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 2: then every now and then I would see one, like

603
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: especially if it was real vicious or something, you know,

604
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 2: and then i'd click on the whoever said it, you know,

605
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: and just have a look and just be like, oh, yeah,

606
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: it's okay, Yeah, that looks like somebody going through a

607
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: tough time.

608
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: When the divorce was finalized. How did that feel when.

609
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: It was finalized?

610
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: Ah ah, dude, it's like pretty it's pretty surreal. Heyh

611
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: Like it all happens super quick, Like what do you mean,

612
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 2: I mean from finding out that like that was what

613
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: Kelsey wanted to do, to like getting a lawyer and

614
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: having a pre nump and having three calls or four

615
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: calls or something with the lawyer and signing the documents

616
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: in the parking lot of the rhymen in the rain

617
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: to like going home, you know, like that all.

618
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: Happened in three and a half four months or something

619
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: like that.

620
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: How did you find out she wanted a divorce?

621
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: She told me.

622
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: Sit down, let's have a talk.

623
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, were.

624
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: You expecting that conversation?

625
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: I was not expecting that conversation though, And maybe that

626
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: was me being naive, I don't know, but I definitely

627
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: wasn't and.

628
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 3: Took me by surprise.

629
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, that whole time is such a blur, hey,

630
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: Like it almost feels like somebody else just from where

631
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: I'm sitting now, Like I just look.

632
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: Back and I'm like, oh my god, it's.

633
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: Just confused guy, you know. And I think even when

634
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: I look back at like there was an interview that

635
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: I did with you when over for you came out,

636
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: and I look back at that guy doing that interview,

637
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: sometimes it pops up on whatever social media and I

638
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: just look like, I'm just like sad trying to make

639
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: sense of where I'm at, you know, And.

640
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: That was that was what that period was. I don't

641
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 3: know that I.

642
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: Should have been doing interviews at that point, if I'm

643
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: being honest, when I look at that guy, I'm like,

644
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: oh my god, Like you were not like hitting me

645
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: with hardball questions or anything, and I was just there

646
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: kind of just like really sad. So yeah, it was

647
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: just a kind of a whirlwind, life's changing moment.

648
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: What do you tell your parents after she says you

649
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: want to get a divorced? You just calm, Hey, guys,

650
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: this is what's happening. Yeah, what did they say?

651
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: I think they were kind of confused too, because they've

652
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: been They've been there at the house with us, like

653
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: I make confused like timing, but within like three months

654
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: before that, and so they were kind of confused too.

655
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: And like I said, they've been married for forty five years.

656
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: They've been together since like sixteen and fourteen or something,

657
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: so they don't really know much about breaking up and

658
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But yeah, I mean super concerned for

659
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: me and obviously like wanting to make sure that I

660
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: was okay. I think that was the general general sentiment.

661
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: Did you write any music in the heart of your despair?

662
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

663
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: Some? Was it good?

664
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: Well, I say some, So there was like four months

665
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: there where I didn't really write, but for the song

666
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: over for You, that was the only song that I

667
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: wrote during that period and then, which was.

668
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: A great song by the way, you came out and

669
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: played it our show that night we set up and

670
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: came out.

671
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, yeah, thank you.

672
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: I love that song and the way people have reacted

673
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: to that song have kind of changed the way that

674
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: I think about how powerful music can be in a

675
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: lot of ways. But yeah, I definitely write a lot

676
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: of songs during that time about it or just about

677
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: how I was feeling, really, and a lot of that

678
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: was like cathartic, and a lot of that was just

679
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: like trying to express things that I didn't know how

680
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: to express. Was any other good though, Man, I have

681
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: a hard time thinking real sad songs are good.

682
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: See, I only think sad songs are good. That's the difference.

683
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: It's funny, Like it's funny you say that. I don't

684
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: think that about other people's sad songs because I think,

685
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: to me, it's so easy, like we could take any

686
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: object in here, and you and I could write a

687
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: sad song about it at a higher level than a

688
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: happy song. I think if we had like twenty minutes

689
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: to write it, you know what I mean. But that

690
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: and so I think songwriter I've always had that in

691
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: my mind of like it seems like the easy way

692
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: out unless it's a really real thing, like over for

693
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: you is a really real feeling for me. And the

694
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: song Things that we drink to was you know, my

695
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: longtime manager passed suddenly and I wrote that on the

696
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,239
Speaker 2: day of his memorial service. And so I do have

697
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: these sad songs that mean a lot, but generally on

698
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: a normal day when I'm trying to express something, I'm

699
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: trying to find the positive in it, or look for.

700
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: At least a positive way to look at it, if

701
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 3: that makes sense.

702
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: With this new music, and you wrote a lot about

703
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: your last few years, right because of how you were

704
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: I feel unfairly written about. Did you treat that a

705
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: little more precious about what you were saying outwardly because

706
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: you wanted it to represent the actual truth.

707
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was really thoughtful about the songs that I

708
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: chose for this record from that period of time. You know,

709
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 2: obviously wrote more than eleven songs in the last three years,

710
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 2: but these these eleven tracks, to me, they all say

711
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 2: something important on that journey of the last three years.

712
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: So you know that was starting back in my hometown

713
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: post wild aahuasca trip time, and yeah, all the way

714
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: through the kind of stages of it, and then you know, finding.

715
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 3: The ground again and then you know, building from there.

716
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: Last question about that, because I got a lot of

717
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: other stuff to talk about. Yeah, because you're just so

718
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: annoyingly strikingly good looking. It's just it's so annoying, and

719
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: I don't think people know that until they like see

720
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: you in person. It's annoying. I'll say it. Okay, thanks, No,

721
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: it is. You're a little taller than you should be,

722
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: you're a little more muscular than you should be, and

723
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: you're just I can be good look in sometime that

724
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: pizzes me half thank you and good night. Yes, I know,

725
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: I know. Final question though about that chapter, what would

726
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: you now, what advice would you give you back then?

727
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: Let's say when you and I were together, right when

728
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: it was happening. Yeah, you've been through it. What advice

729
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: would you give you back then?

730
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 3: Oh?

731
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: Man, it's so funny because I feel like you gave

732
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: me the advice, and you know other people gave me

733
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: advice too, Like this is going to be a time

734
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: right now that you look back on and you're really

735
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 2: grateful for and at the time, it just seems impossible,

736
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: you know, from like even every micro step of it.

737
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: I remember.

738
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: Just Nashville at that time, even after like hanging with

739
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 2: you and like a couple of other mates and like, actually,

740
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: you know, figuring out who like the real genuine people

741
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: in my life were was like it was like the

742
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: sky was falling or like the walls are caving in

743
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 2: this town.

744
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: Was just everywhere I went, Are you okay? I saw

745
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, I read blah blah blah.

746
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: And I just going back to my hometown and like

747
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: just catching up with the old mates. I go to

748
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: the pub here, I mate.

749
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 3: And I think so cool.

750
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: Anyway, did you see the Nights game on the weekend

751
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: and they just get on with it, you know, And

752
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: you realize that Nashville feels like the center of the

753
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: universe in a lot of ways, you know, in the

754
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: country music ordered it is. But the well was a

755
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: big place, you know, and where I was sitting in it,

756
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: I just needed to get out of that for a second.

757
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: And starting there, like the record starts there. I think

758
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: the perspective that you get that maybe sometimes you can

759
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: only get with time and experience of life. And I'm sure,

760
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 2: it always takes longer than you wanted to those things

761
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: ring true. I'm glad that I didn't go out and

762
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: do a bunch of tell all things while I was

763
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 2: in the midst of a workout how I was feeling.

764
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: And I'm also really grateful for where I'm at now

765
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: in life, and so it's hard to have any regrets.

766
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: You're really good looking when you're When you get single again,

767
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: where do you get to go to Australia? Like, what's

768
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: the deal?

769
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 3: Well, we were on tour. We were on tour that

770
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 3: whole time.

771
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, tough, and yeah, it wasn't really on the forefront

772
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 2: of my priority list to get back into it, you know,

773
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: so that took some time.

774
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: I texted you because I knew you were dating Lacey.

775
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: I know, I know Lazy from a version of Bouth

776
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: the Oar Pass. We didn't date anything. We worked together,

777
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: but I was like, you dated Lazy and you were like,

778
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: why do you ask? Lacey is awesome, that's super cool.

779
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: So when did you guys meet? How'd you meet?

780
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: It's not really like a crazy meeting story.

781
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: We kind of knew each other like doing radio shows

782
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 2: and festivals and stuff like that. But a couple of

783
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: years we just kind of, I don't know, connected on

784
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: that level and enjoyed each other's company.

785
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: And that's too vague of an answer. I want to

786
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: accept that. Where did you like talk to her and go, hey,

787
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: we should go on a date? Give me some I.

788
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: Say, I have learned from my experience with my previous

789
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: relationship and previous life that there is a level of

790
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: detail that I think is healthy to share, and then

791
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: there's a level that's like really healthy.

792
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: I completely agree, unless you're talking to your friend and

793
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: he wants some bugget No.

794
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: Look, Lacey's a legends, like she's a proper legend, and

795
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: she's actually really private, so she doesn't do any press

796
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: or interviews or anything like that. And we just put

797
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: this song out together, the two broken hearts, and we

798
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: filmed a lot of content for it, like a lot

799
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: of content of us singing the song together or doing

800
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,479
Speaker 2: life together. And you know that was filmed by people

801
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: we work with. And then we would send that to

802
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: you know, either we would cut it up or if

803
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 2: someone a lady that works with Virgin, who I'm signed

804
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: with now, I would cut it up and she would

805
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: send it to She's like, ahy this is this little

806
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 2: moment in between takes is like, this seems really cute.

807
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 3: We should share that with the.

808
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: Song over it or something and and listen and I

809
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: would look at it and and we were both kind

810
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: of decide, Ah, that's a little bit too inside, you know,

811
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: that's too much of us to share at this point.

812
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: And so we've been really intentional about sharing what we

813
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: want to share and also like keeping what we want

814
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: to keep to ourselves too.

815
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. Where'd you go on your first date?

816
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: Can you give me something like? Where? Like where do

817
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: you take her on your first date?

818
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: Oh?

819
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: Man, I don't I'm not going to stop. I don't

820
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: want you, but you know, okay, you can. I know you.

821
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: I know you'll keep going, but I'm just gonna I'm

822
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: going to keep pushing back. I really, I really care

823
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: about her and and I'm really grateful for where we're

824
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: at right now too. And I just don't want to

825
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: I don't want to mess with it. Where'd you go

826
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: in infestidate with your wife?

827
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: We'd like to keep things private. Two can play this game.

828
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: How long have you guys officially been together?

829
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: Ah?

830
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: Two years? Yeah?

831
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 1: You live together?

832
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: We did know?

833
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, we've just in Australia together too. Yeah, okay, yeah.

834
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 4: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

835
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 4: Bobby Cast.

836
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: What album do you have here? This is hold it

837
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: up for the camera please, Okay. So I guests come

838
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: in and they bring an album that means a light

839
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: to them and they tell us the reason why and

840
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: it goes into the ultimate collection. So what do you

841
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: have there?

842
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: This is the first Keith Urban record that I ever owned.

843
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: And I got this my mom dragged me along to

844
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: this gig in my hometown at the Newcastle Workers Club

845
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: because my grandma, her mum, was sick, and so I

846
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: got dragged along this gig and turns out this guy

847
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: was playing, and when I saw him come out on stage,

848
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: he was like all the old rock and roll that

849
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: I grew up on, all the old country music I

850
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: grew up on, all put together and he was just

851
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: ripping on the guitar and it was just like this

852
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: light bulb going off in my head, and I thought,

853
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: I need to find out where that came from. And

854
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 2: that Christmas, my mom gave me this album on CD

855
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: and I wore this thing out and I think I

856
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 2: read the back about a million times, and so I

857
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 2: kept seeing Nashville, Tennessee, and I think this record. Although

858
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 2: I think maybe Golden Road might be my favorite Keith

859
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: Urban record, this is the first one that pointed me

860
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 2: towards him and Nashville and probably led me down this

861
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: path that has led me to sitting across from you

862
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 2: here all these years later. And I still love this

863
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: record actually, and it's the one I would like to

864
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: redonating it to the.

865
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 3: To the collection.

866
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate that.

867
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

868
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny how music if you hear certain songs.

869
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: I read this book a long time ago called I'm Okay,

870
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: You're Okay, and it talks about the brain and how

871
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: there's certain things that could be a smell. Smell and

872
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: music are probably the two biggest ones. Then when you

873
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: smell something or you hear a song, it triggers a

874
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 1: part of your brain that, even for just a split second,

875
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: puts you back into that place, yes, where you were,

876
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: And as you're telling that story about being that kid,

877
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: I can imagine that when a song fires off from there,

878
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: you probably for a second feel what it feels like

879
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: to be that kid again.

880
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 2: Oh dude, black Top ends when he played that at

881
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: the whatever award show that was with Brothers Osborne the

882
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: other day. It was just like like time portals so good?

883
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: Have you got to tell him that.

884
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 3: I don't know that.

885
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: I've gone into gushy detail with him, no, but I

886
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: think he knows I'm a big, big fan and he's

887
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 2: done a lot for me, especially as an Aussie man.

888
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 2: Like he's like when I was out doing my first

889
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 2: you know rounds at all the radio stations, they were like, oh,

890
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 2: from Australia as opposed to like, I'm sure he was

891
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: like country music from Australia.

892
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 3: That doesn't make.

893
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: Sense, you know, but he kind of made it made

894
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: sense and so you know, being able to come in

895
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 2: after that, Yeah, it's like a door already kind of

896
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: you know, nudged open a little bit.

897
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: I love Keith And I was in Australia once and

898
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 1: it was Christmas time and I haven't already got for Christmas.

899
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: It was one of those times where I was like, okay,

900
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: and I have a friend named Nikita who is from Australia,

901
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: and she was playing with me a little bit and

902
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: she was like, you can come back and have Christmas

903
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: with my family, And wasn't romantic at all, and I

904
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: was like, I've never been to Australia, I'll go. So

905
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: I didn't. I always feel like I'm intruding, so I

906
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: didn't stay at her house with them, even though they

907
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: had a room. I stayed in a hotel nearby. And

908
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: it was crazy because Christmas was in the summer in Australia.

909
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 3: How good is an ausy Christmas in the sun.

910
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: It's crazy. It was like they were prawns against the prowns. Yeah, yeah,

911
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: there were like people eating prawns for Christmas, and so

912
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: that whole thing was happening. And I had tweeted something

913
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: and Keith saw my tweet because I think I walked

914
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: up on that bridge. There's the stairs. You go up

915
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: on the bridge. What's that big bridge in Sydney.

916
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 3: Sydney have a bridge, of course it is.

917
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I go up on top of that. You

918
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: climbed the bridge. It's awesome. I hate heights, but it's

919
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: awesome too. And the wind's blowing so you feel like

920
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: you're gona die and stuff, and so I'm up there.

921
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: I took a picture of that. I posted it and

922
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: Keith texted me and he's like, are you in Australia.

923
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, he was like, we are too,

924
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: come over to because they happened to be back home

925
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: for went over to his and him Nicole together at

926
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: the time, went over to their like condo in Australia.

927
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: It was like a two layer and there were some

928
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: Australian famous people there. I don't know a single one

929
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: of them because they were all famous in Australia. There's

930
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: a bunch of people walking around and going I am

931
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: I you know whatever, and they were everybody was so nice.

932
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: Do you remember any of the nights or anything. None,

933
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: but they were prominent. Yeah, That's all I know is

934
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 1: they were probably well obviously they were Keith and Cole's

935
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: house too. But Keith would introduce me like this is

936
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: somebody He's so yeah, and I just remember thinking, man,

937
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: like I'm right in the middle of Australian celebrity culture

938
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: and I don't really I don't. I don't understand it

939
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: enough to respect it in the same way that I

940
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: think of like if like I did Bear Girls the

941
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: show once and he was talking about he all have

942
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: super famous people and really not know who they are

943
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: and they're massive in their area. But he's taking some

944
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: like K pop artists out and that's no idea. They

945
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: have ten billion fans with them. But Keith's awesome. Like

946
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: I love Keith Urban and I love I just want

947
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 1: to say that because I liked your story that way.

948
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: I've been around him a few times and he's always

949
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: been like complete gentleman. I would love to hang with

950
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: him probably someday, but yeah, his music's done, his music's

951
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: noting off.

952
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: I probably make that happen. Yeah, give me a story,

953
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: but let's see I make that. She has really great music.

954
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: I like her anyway because we work together in a

955
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: capacity for a while. Her what she's doing now, And

956
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: I hope you're okay me mentioning this. We're talking about this.

957
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: It's it's distinct, and it's such, it's so it's quality,

958
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: it's so different and it's high quality stuff and so

959
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: and I really like it. Like I'm a fan of

960
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: the person that she's turned into. Yeah, can I say that.

961
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 2: I foolheartedly agree, Yeah, you go all right, She's awesome

962
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: and she's one of those artists too that as you know,

963
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: there's people in this town that like come here and

964
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 2: work really hard, and there's other people that come here and.

965
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: They've just got a gift.

966
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: And when she opens her mouth to saying it is

967
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: just a gift and I'm so happy for and the

968
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: music she's making. And I showed to that text you

969
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: sent me to about digging her record and stuff, and

970
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: she really appreciated that.

971
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's cool.

972
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: No more, I'm not going to ask anything else lives

973
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: you're going to lock up on me over here, all.

974
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 3: Right, man, I've been to it. You got to learn

975
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: something from what you go through, don't you.

976
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless it's your friend, Yeah you know.

977
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well hey, look let's go pay pickable something and

978
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 3: you give.

979
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: Them a nugget. Are you touring this record in the

980
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: States at all? Because I saw a bunch of like

981
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: you're going. I feel like you're getting so many flyer

982
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: miles going back to Australia and New Zealand.

983
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're doing Australia New Zealand in May and June

984
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: for the album too with Steeltown Tour, and then we're

985
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: going to do the States later in the year, which

986
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 2: if I tell your dates they'll probably change, so when

987
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: they're confirmed or.

988
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 3: Lena, are you happy to Life's good? Yeah?

989
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: Like I said, it's like she's been a rollercaster or

990
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 2: a ride or a haunted house maybe sometimes, but yeah,

991
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 2: it's good.

992
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 3: It's good to be a live right now.

993
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: It's good to have an Australian summer, and it's good

994
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: to be back here with the record that I feel

995
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: really proud about and the story to tell.

996
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: How do you pick eleven songs? Because, like you said,

997
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: you've written so many more? What's that process?

998
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 2: Like it's kind of twofold in the reasoning for me

999
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: as a listener, I feel like as albums have got longer,

1000
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: it's almost intimidating or something just to start it. Does

1001
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: that make sense to you? Like you probably get hit

1002
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: with music every day anyway, But I wanted to have

1003
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: a concise record eleven twelve songs And.

1004
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: How many think you wrote that that you considered?

1005
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: Poh, fifty maybe that I considered. There's probably more that

1006
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: I wrote, but like fifty that had purpose, you know,

1007
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 2: But I also didn't want any double ups, Like I

1008
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 2: didn't want any Well that song kind of already does

1009
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: that pick the winner, you know, or the one that

1010
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: feels the most authentic, And that's how I kind of

1011
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: got whittled down.

1012
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: Why do you name it? After your hometown.

1013
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 3: I named it after my hometown because it's kind of

1014
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 3: where this story starts.

1015
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: It's kind of where I felt like whatever this building

1016
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: of the next phase of my life started going home

1017
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: that Christmas and having that experience with the old mates

1018
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,479
Speaker 2: and the old places and family, and that's the place

1019
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 2: that it all built from. It's also kind of unique too,

1020
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: I think for an Australian to be singing about place

1021
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 2: like that, Like there's some legends that have done it

1022
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: really well in Australia, but there's only a handful. And

1023
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: one of the things I love about America and Americans

1024
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: is the pride of place that they have, especially in

1025
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: country music, and Texas is like the glowing example of

1026
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: pride of place, and so to be able to have

1027
00:49:55,640 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: a song and articulate, you know, a love for a

1028
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 2: hometown like steel Town. And there's another song on the

1029
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: record called Land I Love, which is about Australia as

1030
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: a whole, which we have a fellow named William Barton

1031
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: playing on. He's a first Nation's Australian, like one of

1032
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: the world's foremost did we Do players, and he sang

1033
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: and beat box enchanted and played did we Do?

1034
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 3: On? This record and.

1035
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 2: Those two songs particularly, I feel like ground the record

1036
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: in a way that was really important and special to me,

1037
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 2: And so that's where the name came from.

1038
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: I remember why I was bringing up to Keith Throbin's

1039
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 1: story because when I was with him, he was talking

1040
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: about country music in Australia and he said that for

1041
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: a lot of his life, country music in Australia was

1042
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: wildly traditional and if you wanted to hear country music,

1043
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: it would be like on what the AM band, like

1044
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: what we consider like AM here. There weren't like big

1045
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: mass stations that were just playing country music. The kind

1046
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: of had to cross over and get played on a

1047
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: pop station in Australia. Has that shifted at all still

1048
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: or do they have modernish country music stations in Sydney

1049
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: or in Australia.

1050
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's shifting just now.

1051
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 2: Hey, Like it's kind of you know, as as Keith,

1052
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: I'm sure when his stuff was like really kind of exploding,

1053
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: you know with this record and the subsequent ones. Yeah,

1054
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: it just stayed super traditional down there, and for that

1055
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 2: reason stayed really niche like it was kind of you

1056
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: had to go to this first of went Tamworth, which

1057
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 2: is kind of the they'd have shows everywhere and was

1058
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: the kind of big moment for country music. And now

1059
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 2: I feel like since I moved here eleven years ago,

1060
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 2: every time I go back, they love it more and more.

1061
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 2: And I remember, like Sam Hunt had that song body

1062
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: Like a Back Road, and I remember I heard that

1063
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: on pop radio somewhere, and then I think the next

1064
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 2: time I went back, I saw like this guy riding

1065
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 2: a Harley in Bondi and he was like blaring Florida

1066
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: Georgia line as he drove through, and I was like,

1067
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: it's it changing around here to the point now where

1068
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 2: I think country might be the biggest touring genre in

1069
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 2: Australia right now.

1070
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 3: Like it's just exploded and.

1071
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: Radio has responded, and obviously people are finding it on

1072
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: streaming and the Internet and all that kind of thing,

1073
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 2: and it's quite amazing to see to the point where

1074
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 2: in my hometown on the weekend where you would never

1075
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 2: have found country music, or you'd have to go to

1076
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 2: one of like two or three little niche places on

1077
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 2: the outside of town to play country music. We played

1078
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: a festival to like twelve or thirteen thousand people with

1079
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: Laney Wilson on Saturday night, and it was just like

1080
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: in my hometown to be there playing Steeltown for the

1081
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:36,919
Speaker 2: first time.

1082
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 3: Laney's there.

1083
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: There's a couple other big acts too, like Flatland Cavalry

1084
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: was there and Caitlin Bartson.

1085
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 3: It was just like, this is that's happening, you know,

1086
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 3: it's exciting.

1087
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: Did any of your stuff get played on pop radio there?

1088
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 3: It did? Yeah, yeah, it was.

1089
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 2: It was part of the I guess maybe around that

1090
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 2: time with the body like a background and whatever. It

1091
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: was the Floria Line song Meant to Be, I think,

1092
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 2: and then I think my song came out after those,

1093
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 2: and I think the programers were like, well, if the

1094
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 2: other stuff worked, maybe this will work too, and they did,

1095
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: and thankfully it did, and song Day Drink ended up

1096
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 2: becoming my biggest song down there, which is hilarious.

1097
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 3: Was the biggest song for a long time.

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00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was just I guess good timing, maybe

1099
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: the right music at the right time, But it was

1100
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 2: really it was a really cool thing to feel having

1101
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 2: left there to try to pursue this music that I

1102
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: didn't find anywhere around me, to then be able to

1103
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 2: go home and then you know, share it with people

1104
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 2: in the places that I kind of grew up.

1105
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: In When did you get back into town, like.

1106
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 3: Forty eight hours ago or something.

1107
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you do a great job because you've showed

1108
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: no jet lag or really none.

1109
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: But every time I've looked up, I'm like, what is

1110
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: that word that i'm you know, I know you've been gone.

1111
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: I haven't saw you on social media, and I was like, man,

1112
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: he's going to be burnt on one end. Yeah, yeah,

1113
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: you killed it. Well, thanks man, there's no exhaustion.

1114
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 3: Appreciate time.

1115
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 2: I appreciate the come by every week, friendly space and

1116
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 2: congrats to you.

1117
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: Man. So it's exciting to see what you're doing.

1118
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: Graduate you congratulate me in my room.

1119
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 3: Well you're on the on Netflix. Now you're on your wall.

1120
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got this sun that I thought you might

1121
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 2: have stolen, but no, it's a it's a replication.

1122
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 1: The one from my hometown. That is exactly that. It

1123
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: has bullet holes in it.

1124
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 3: Oh ship, how many?

1125
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: Oh it's probably more now, but there's probably like five

1126
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 1: or six.

1127
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's a that's like a country thing to

1128
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 2: do on the weekend, and it's not it's not a

1129
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 2: personal attack.

1130
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: You guys don't have guns though there right like for

1131
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: us yes, everybody had guns all the time, right, But Australia.

1132
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: I mean there's guns there for sure, but you have

1133
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 2: to but it's prevalent, right, Yeah, you have to go

1134
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: through like we had them at school.

1135
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not that's not really a thing.

1136
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we had them in our cars or trucks

1137
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: and back like that school where you could see them.

1138
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1139
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not bragging or saying that's bad. Actually yeah yeah.

1140
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I didn't see guns at all growing up. Really.

1141
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 2: My dad grew up out in the country and he

1142
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 2: had I think a couple of hunting rifles, like at

1143
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: twenty two and something else. And I remember the scope

1144
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: being around the house when I was a kid, but

1145
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: they saw the scope. Yeah, they got rid of them

1146
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 2: before I was born. Well maybe just after I was born,

1147
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: when the Port Arthur massacre happened. Yeah, I don't know

1148
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: the exact timeline of that, but they had them and

1149
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 2: then they got rid of them. And yeah, the gun

1150
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 2: law was a pretty tough town there.

1151
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: Well, look, we've done an hour. Do you feel good

1152
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: about this?

1153
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 3: I think so.

1154
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: Anything else you want to say it's hard, I'm gonna

1155
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: say something here. You say that it's hard for me

1156
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: to interview a friend, it's harder. It's the absolute hardest

1157
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: thing to do because I know too much.

1158
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yes, we would have a conversation off air

1159
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 2: that would be.

1160
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know too much. So then I don't want

1161
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: to put you in a place that makes you uncomfortable. Yeah,

1162
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: But then I'm going, well, what does he really want

1163
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: to say? And I don't want to. So I hate

1164
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: interviewing friends. Yeah, I do it because I like my friends. Yeah,

1165
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: but it's the hardest thing for me to do, is

1166
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: to interview somebody that I know a lot about and

1167
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: care a lot about.

1168
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, well, I appreciate you saying that. Let me

1169
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 2: say this too. So I've been away from this kind

1170
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 2: of press media, any sort of interviews, and this is

1171
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: kind of the first one I've done about the record,

1172
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 2: and so I'm kind of not giving the most succinct

1173
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 2: planned answers or whatever. But now there's something about doing

1174
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 2: press that is so much more intimidating because it's almost

1175
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 2: like I see stuff and stuff gets clipped out of

1176
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: context and then blown up for the wrong reasons and

1177
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So I had a level of kind

1178
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 2: of I guess anxiety coming into this, which had nothing

1179
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,479
Speaker 2: to do with you or this space is just more

1180
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 2: I want to say today that it's gonna.

1181
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 1: Everybody's looking for the best clip to posts.

1182
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just I guess I know that's going

1183
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 2: to happen. But I've never really talked about any of

1184
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 2: this stuff before. But I appreciate the chance to do

1185
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 2: this with you, man, so so thank you and.

1186
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 3: And good night.

1187
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: Fair enough guys, Record March twentieth. I'm going for memory.

1188
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 3: You got a good memory? Yeah, kicking offs.

1189
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: Boom, March twentieth. I hope people strain the crap out

1190
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: of it. I hope they would go to all your shows,

1191
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: and whenever you announced the American part of it, we'll

1192
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: be sure to share that on the radio show. On

1193
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: all this. I love you. I'm glad you were here.

1194
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: And great job. Not seeming tired like I think that's

1195
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing. Great job because not for a

1196
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: minute to drive.

1197
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 3: You're the moster.

1198
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: No, that's true. I've had a long day, I'm gonna

1199
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: tell you. Yeah, anybody else but you, I think i'd

1200
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: have been dragging. So I knew this would be easy.

1201
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 3: All right.

1202
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: There, he is the great Morgan

1203
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 4: Evans thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production