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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: OO. Welcome in nowt number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: Our thanks to Frank Siller coming and being with us

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Speaker 2: on the twenty second anniversary of nine to eleven. We

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Speaker 2: are scheduled to talk about the Fifth Circuit decision that

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Speaker 2: dropped on Friday evening dealing with the First Amendment and

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Speaker 2: the Biden administration censorship of many different individuals they are

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Speaker 2: through their relationship with big tech companies. I think this

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Speaker 2: could end up being the most consequential First Amendment case

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Speaker 2: of the twenty first century, maybe maybe the most consequential

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Speaker 2: First Amendment case since New York Times v.

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Speaker 1: Sullivan.

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Speaker 2: I mean that is a possibility, depending on what the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court decides to do. But you'll remember Judge Dowdy

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Speaker 2: with the July fourth opinion that he held for that

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Speaker 2: date the District Court judge from the state of Louisiana.

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Speaker 2: That opinion was upheld in most parts, and we'll discuss

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Speaker 2: that with the Attorney General of Missouri Bailey. I believe

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Speaker 2: we are scheduled to be joined by him in about

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Speaker 2: a half hour. But Buck, I wanted to bring up

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Speaker 2: this with you, and we teased it off the top

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Speaker 2: of the show today. This was a front page New

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Speaker 2: York Times Sunday story. And for those of you out

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Speaker 2: there who don't pay a lot of attention to newspapers,

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Speaker 2: I love looking at what the focal points are for

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Speaker 2: things like front page Sunday newspapers, which are these stories

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Speaker 2: that the New York Times plans for weeks and thinks

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Speaker 2: this is a really important story.

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Speaker 1: And here's the headline, buck.

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Speaker 2: President Biden keeps Hunter close despite the political peril subheading

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Speaker 2: the possibility of a federal indictment of Hunter Biden stunned

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Speaker 2: the President, yet the bond between him and his only

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Speaker 2: surviving son is ironclad. And this was the that I

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Speaker 2: thought was interesting. It says, and this is a New

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Speaker 2: York Times reporting, and there are this is Katie Rogers

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Speaker 2: reporting from Malibu and Washington. Of course, Hunter Biden lives

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Speaker 2: in Malibu.

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Speaker 1: It said.

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Speaker 2: When the agreement collapsed in late July, meaning the Plea agreement,

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Speaker 2: mister Biden, whose upbeat public image often belies a more

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Speaker 2: mercurial temperament, was stunned. He plunged into sadness and frustration.

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Speaker 2: According to several people close to him, who spoke on

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Speaker 2: the condition of anonymity to preserve their relationships with the

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Speaker 2: Biden family. Since then, his tone in conversations about Hunter

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Speaker 2: has been tinged with a resignation that was not there before.

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Speaker 2: His confidants say this is the opening of the article,

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Speaker 2: and then later this is a long story. I mean

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Speaker 2: thousands of words, Buck, thousands of words in we get

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Speaker 2: a really interesting pivot where for years they have been

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Speaker 2: saying that there is absolutely nothing that Joe Biden has

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Speaker 2: done that is inappropriate. And in fact they've been saying,

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Speaker 2: as you well know, Buck, because we've been hammering this,

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Speaker 2: they've been saying, there's no evidence at all. And we

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Speaker 2: have on this show constantly said to our audience, well,

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Speaker 2: you may not think it's a criminal nature, but it

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Speaker 2: is certainly evidence. And I want to hit you with

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Speaker 2: a couple one. The New York Times in their article

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Speaker 2: on Sunday, changed their storyline now to no hard evidence

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Speaker 2: has emerged that mister Biden personally profited or profited from

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Speaker 2: the business deals or used his office to benefit his

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Speaker 2: son's partners while he was vice president. Then there's a

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Speaker 2: new phrase there, Buck, And I've been a lot of

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Speaker 2: people missed it. No hard evidence?

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Speaker 1: What does that even mean to you?

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Speaker 2: As you read this and you're kind of like, well,

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Speaker 2: there used to be no evidence. Now they're saying there's

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Speaker 2: no hard evidence.

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Speaker 1: I think hard evidence would have to be eyewitness evidence,

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Speaker 1: or I guess it would be adjudicated physical evidence like

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Speaker 1: printouts of the banking records that have already gone to court.

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Speaker 1: And it's it's an impossible standard to meet.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a made up term too, because to me,

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Speaker 2: hard evidence is like what is soft evidence?

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Speaker 1: Like? La if you're if you're defending somebody in court

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Speaker 1: and you were like ladies and gentlemen of a jury,

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Speaker 1: it's very simple. There's no hard evidence here. There's only

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Speaker 1: eyewitness testimony, a lot of circumstantial evidence, some DNA evidence

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Speaker 1: of you know, your client's going to prison. They absence

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Speaker 1: of hard evidence here, No, I think that, Uh, it's

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Speaker 1: very clear they've had to adjust the storyline. I also

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Speaker 1: it's always been Biden's fallback. When Biden gets too much heat,

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Speaker 1: what does he do? Plays a sympathy card and he

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Speaker 1: that is real, but he has also leveraged that very

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Speaker 1: at different points in his political career. And I still believe,

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Speaker 1: for example, Clay this notion that Biden's so frustrated or

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Speaker 1: saddened by this Hunter Biden. It's not going to prison everybody. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's not happening. It's not happening. Joe Biden has I mean,

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Speaker 1: how upset can he really be? He has the ability

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Speaker 1: free card. And even if he even there's the possibility

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Speaker 1: he won't have to use that get out of jail

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Speaker 1: free card because the system will still protect Hunter. I

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Speaker 1: still believe that they're going to run some kind of

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Speaker 1: interference for him. At the end of this month. We'll see.

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Speaker 1: We're on a pretty tight timeline here, because I believe

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Speaker 1: at the end of the month the statute runs out

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Speaker 1: the gun charge, they may be able to say, and

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Speaker 1: they haven't brought an indictment, they may be able to say,

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Speaker 1: oh sorry, you know, I mean, look what they did

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Speaker 1: with the other statutes they ran out because he said, yeah, nothing,

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Speaker 1: they just made it go away. So they're they're using

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Speaker 1: as a as a tool here the Statute of Limitations

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Speaker 1: in these respects. I think going forward, you're likely to

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Speaker 1: see the Biden camp say, you know, he loves his son,

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Speaker 1: his son made mistakes. The legal process is playing out,

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Speaker 1: and he hasn't been indicted four times like Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: the biggest monster in all of human history. And I

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Speaker 1: just think that becomes their their go to And I

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Speaker 1: also think that we have to remember these things go

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Speaker 1: in waves. The amount of focus on. One thing Democrats

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Speaker 1: do very well and understand very well is if you

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Speaker 1: can delay the recognition of something, you can take the

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Speaker 1: political impact out of it. This is one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons why for the mass shooter in tennessee the Trans

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Speaker 1: the trans manifesto, if we ever see it. By the

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Speaker 1: time we see it, people are going to say a

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Speaker 1: lot of them, wait, what happened there? What were the

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Speaker 1: facts of that case? What was the situation? Which is

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Speaker 1: the point they've done this with so many things. Oh,

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Speaker 1: we don't know, we don't know. It requires more study,

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Speaker 1: Russia collusion stuff, right, they just held it as long

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Speaker 1: also doing that kind of perception management, but they do

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Speaker 1: it by getting ahead of it. Now, Okay, fine, Hunter,

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Speaker 1: you know he did some bad stuff, but there's no

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Speaker 1: hard evidence linking Joe Biden and it's his son. And

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Speaker 1: the idea here being by next summer, what are they

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Speaker 1: going to say, He's already dealt with all this. It's

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Speaker 1: old news. We've already heard about this, the Republicans dredging

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Speaker 1: this as they're facing accountability right now. I think they're

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Speaker 2: I also think this is important too, that they're moving

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Speaker 2: the ball, because it's important moving the goalposts, whatever you

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Speaker 2: want to say. For years they have told everyone there's

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Speaker 2: no evidence, no evidence at all, and now they're putting

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Speaker 2: it's a very amorphous term. They don't even define it

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Speaker 2: in the New York Times article. They just say there's

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Speaker 2: no hard evidence. So does that mean there's soft evidence?

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Speaker 2: Like it's a term of art, it's not a legal term.

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Speaker 2: It's very messy for the Times to put something like

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Speaker 2: that in an article. But they're now having to put

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Speaker 2: an adjective, a modifier in front of evidence because there

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Speaker 2: is tons of evidence that Joe Biden was involved in

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden's business dealings.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is also like what if you go back

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Speaker 1: to what they did to Kavidoll, which was one of

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Speaker 1: the great public injustices in our lifetime, just the effort

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Speaker 1: to destroy Kavanaugh. They kept saying credible allegations, credible allegations.

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Speaker 1: There was absolutely nothing that was credible about any of

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Speaker 1: those allegations other than there were people making allegations. In fact,

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Speaker 1: many of the allegations were so incredible in the sense

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Speaker 1: and they ran a smear campaign. Right, But remember that

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Speaker 1: Clay it was always credible allegations against Kavito. No, you

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Speaker 1: don't think that means that it's a credible allegation. But

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Speaker 1: it is interesting the way they use phrases. So no

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Speaker 1: evidence has become no hard evidence. And now this Goldman

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Speaker 1: Biden family, says there's no direct evidence. Okay, now we've

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Speaker 1: moved from there's no evidence at all to there's no

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Speaker 1: These are not real terms.

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Speaker 2: They're making them up in an effort to still try

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Speaker 2: and shield Joe Biden. Listen to this. There's no direct evidence.

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Speaker 2: Every everybody, even though there's tons of direct evidence, Listen,

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Speaker 3: There is no evidence, none whatsoever. And I don't care

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Speaker 3: how much they say otherwise. I have looked at it.

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Speaker 3: There is no direct evidence that President Biden was involved

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Speaker 3: in any way, shape or form in Hunter Biden's business dealings.

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Speaker 1: That's not true. There's telly. I was gonna say, that's

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Speaker 1: not even accurate. He's not even being artful with his

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Speaker 1: word choice here. That's just a lie. He's just lying.

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Speaker 1: We know what that is. Well.

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Speaker 2: But the fact that he's not saying no evidence now

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Speaker 2: he's saying no direct evidence.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: They used to all say there's no evidence at all,

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Speaker 2: and they'd wave their arms. Now it's no hard evidence,

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Speaker 2: no direct evidence. They're still trying to shield him.

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Speaker 1: And in terms of art, I wouldn't even I won't

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Speaker 1: even accept that even with the obfuscations that we're seeing.

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Speaker 1: When you if I bring somebody into a phone call, right,

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Speaker 1: if Clay and I are going to launch the energy

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Speaker 1: drink company, and I bring somebody on and that person

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Speaker 1: is a part of the conversation and meant to convey

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Speaker 1: some sense of additional gravitas, that's direct evidence that they're

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Speaker 1: involved in the business venture. Yes, that is direct.

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Speaker 2: Only that as direct evidence. Also, when Hunter Biden has

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Speaker 2: a text message and says, my father is sitting next

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Speaker 2: to me and they're basically will be held to pay

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Speaker 2: if you don't involve you know, pay, Now, that's direct

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Speaker 2: evidence like your dad is sitting next to you. Phone

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Speaker 2: calls are direct evidence. In person meetings are direct evidence.

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Speaker 2: Emails are direct evidence. There's tons. It's just funny to

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Speaker 1: front lines of truth. Joe Biden was in Vietnam over

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Speaker 4: He's on leaders minds and they respond to what needed

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Speaker 4: If you don't know what you want at the meeting,

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Speaker 4: But I tell you what, I don't know about you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess we're just supposed to not we

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Speaker 2: A year from now, when we're talking about being two

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. We are

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, this is a huge win in protecting our

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Speaker 1: Bailey, thanks for being with us. It's buck. What do

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Speaker 5: And at the end of the day, why is no

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Speaker 6: And if you think about the idea of oh threats

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Speaker 6: to our sacred democracy and all the fainting couches that

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Speaker 6: have gone on for January sixth, what the Biden administration

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Speaker 6: did here is actually the biggest direct threat to our

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Speaker 6: democracy that I can remember, because the marketplace of ideas

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Speaker 6: is the very foundation of our democracy, Because if we

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Speaker 6: can't debate issues, then we don't have a free republic anymore.

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Speaker 6: We don't have actual freedom of speech. Shouldn't all of

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Speaker 6: these media outlets be terrified if they were being honest

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Speaker 6: and standing on principle to be covering this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, it's shameful that they've ignored this or sided

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Speaker 5: with the other with the laft and said, oh, look,

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Speaker 5: there was no coercion. Well, that's not what the evidence showed,

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Speaker 5: because the court found that there were express threats and

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Speaker 5: implicit threats. There was an unspoken or else that if

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Speaker 5: the the you know, if the big tech social media

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Speaker 5: didn't acquiesce to the demands of the White House and

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Speaker 5: the FBI and the Department of Justice, they would be punished.

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Speaker 5: In fact, the court found that the White House had

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Speaker 5: active plans to punish big tech social media. You know,

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Speaker 5: at the end of the day, we can demonstrate we

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Speaker 5: have put on in court and the Fifth Circuit affirms

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Speaker 5: that the tech social media platforms changed their algorithms to

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Speaker 5: satisfy the federal officials demand. And you know, it was

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Speaker 5: a Biden post about a vaccine hesitancy that was removed

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Speaker 5: that triggered so much of this. The White House Communications

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Speaker 5: Digital Director Rob Claherty then demanded meta change it's censorship policies,

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Speaker 5: and so this is in the direct response to demand

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Speaker 5: to the coercion from the federal government, and it's viewpoint discrimination.

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Speaker 5: To your point, Look, this isn't about truth, it's about power.

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Speaker 5: It's not like Biden actually sat around saying Okay, this

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Speaker 5: is good, that's bad. He's not calling in fair balls

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Speaker 5: and strikes here ball. The government has no role in

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Speaker 5: doing that. So that's that's a red herring to begin with.

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Speaker 5: But even if you believe that that's not what happened,

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Speaker 5: here was a viewpoint discriminate nation in court on Nate

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Speaker 5: twenty six, when the judge looked at the Department of

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Speaker 5: Justice Biden's attorneys and said, give me one example of

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Speaker 5: speech you censored that wasn't conservative. The only example they

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Speaker 5: had was RFP, so another political opponent of Julien, their

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Speaker 5: sciencing opposition. That is, you know, again, as a weaponization

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Speaker 5: of the Department's justice to undermine our freedom in a

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Speaker 5: betrayal of our values.

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Speaker 1: Attorney General Bailey is is there any part of this

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Speaker 1: that will either turn into someone in this case would

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Speaker 1: be the federal government writing checks or someone going to

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Speaker 1: jail for defying the injunction. I'm just wondering again, like,

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Speaker 1: what's to stop them from doing? Yeah, so judges said,

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Speaker 1: don't do this. Yes, you're going to hopefully get a unit,

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Speaker 1: as you said, a permanent injunction. But are they paying

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Speaker 1: a price for this? Is there any way they could

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Speaker 1: pay a price for this?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely? I mean this was a preliminary injunction based on

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Speaker 5: preliminary evidence that we have pained through discovery process, twenty

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Speaker 5: thousand pages of documents, numerous deposition is to include quote

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Speaker 5: unquote doctor Anthony Fauci, you know who. Again, I think

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Speaker 5: we can demonstrate that he was not truthful with us

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Speaker 5: in deposition and certainly was involved in this vast censorship enterprise.

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Speaker 5: And again, I'm not concerned about COVID tyranny that you know,

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Speaker 5: let me take the back. I am concerned about COVID tyranny,

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Speaker 5: but this goes much further, and COVID was just the

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Speaker 5: trophy horse that got the endy behind the gate. So

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Speaker 5: we've got to stay vigilance and stay on top of it.

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Speaker 5: And I think through Merits discoveries to get into additional discovery,

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Speaker 5: we can monitor compliance with the court order and we'll

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Speaker 5: take people to court. We will hold them, I ask

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Speaker 5: the court to hold them in contempt that they're violating

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Speaker 5: this court order. But long term, I think you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 5: We've got to build that wall of separation between tech

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Speaker 5: and state, either through legislation or through court orders. And

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Speaker 5: Congress needs to looking at appointing an Inspector General to

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Speaker 5: monitor compliance.

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Speaker 2: Last question quickly for you, do you expect us to

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Speaker 2: go to the Supreme Court?

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Speaker 1: What's the time line under which that might occur.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, ten days from Friday. It's when the court order

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Speaker 5: will go into effect, and so that's how long the

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Speaker 5: Department of Justice has to appeal the decisions Supreme Court.

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Speaker 5: Look long term, that's exactly where this is going. One

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Speaker 5: hundred years from now, there are law students in constitutional

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Speaker 5: law that will crack open a con law book and

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Speaker 5: we'll see Missouri d. Biden as the leading case on

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Speaker 5: First Amendment rights. Attorney point in this nation's history where

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Speaker 5: we restored the value in the right to freefare and

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Speaker 5: open debate, in the open marketplace of ideas, abs in

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Speaker 5: government censorship. And so that's why this is so important,

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Speaker 5: why we're going to keep fighting to defend our right

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Speaker 5: to free speech.

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Speaker 1: Big win.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on and explaining it to all

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Speaker 2: of our audience, Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey, We appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Thanks you guys, all the best of you and your listeners.

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Speaker 1: You don't know what. You don't know right, but you could.

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Speaker 1: On the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast are

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Speaker 1: closing up shop here today on Clay and Buck Man

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Speaker 1: at time as flown by. Please check out the podcast

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Speaker 1: of the show, Clay and Buck show Down on the

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app and it's free, great app, and then you

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Speaker 1: listen to the podcast on demand whenever you like. We

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Speaker 1: also put extra content in there. I'll do a little monologue, Clay,

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Speaker 1: I got to get into this. I'll do it in

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Speaker 1: the podcast. We have time now. But the head of

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Speaker 1: the Chicago Teachers Union is very opposed to school choice

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Speaker 1: except for her child who goes to a private Catholic

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Speaker 1: institution in Chicago, which that happens, isn't it. It's amazing,

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Speaker 1: isn't it? You know? This is It's one of the

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Speaker 1: one of the rare times when the left will they

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Speaker 1: just know it's totally indefensible, there is no defense, and

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Speaker 1: so they just have to take the heat on some

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Speaker 1: of this stuff. You'll see Democrats. This happens in city

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Speaker 1: after city, I believe. Actually, even early on, there was

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Speaker 1: schools in DC. And of course his children went to

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Speaker 1: well Friends, which is like a thirty five or now

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Speaker 1: probably fifty thousand dollars a year school in the DC area.

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Speaker 1: So you see this with Democrats a lot. It's always

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Speaker 1: like public school is amazing. You must all be stuck

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Speaker 1: in public school everywhere across the country no matter what.

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Speaker 1: Except for my kids, we're going to go to a

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Speaker 1: fancy private school. So that's why I'll get into that

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Speaker 1: in the podcast. Is my point. Go ahead.

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Speaker 2: That's why to me, the number one test on all

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Speaker 2: issues is are you doing it with your own kids.

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Speaker 1: I've got three kids. I'm gonna try.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna claim that I'm perfect, but every parent

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Speaker 2: grandparent out there knows what I'm talking about. You try

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Speaker 2: to put your kids in the best possible scenario for success.

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Speaker 1: Very very few.

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Speaker 2: Of the elite, super wealthy Democrat politicians have their kids

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Speaker 2: in public school, very very few.

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Speaker 1: And if you.

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Speaker 2: Won't do it for your own kids, why would you

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Speaker 2: insist that everybody else do it?

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Speaker 1: They don't have a good answer for that.

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Speaker 2: To your point, That hypocrisy, I think cuts through a

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Speaker 2: lot of the bs and a lot of parents out

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Speaker 2: there say, yeah, why are you trying to put in

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Speaker 2: place a different rule that you yourself aren't willing to follow?

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Speaker 1: Yep. So I think that's one where we are seeing

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Speaker 1: we'll we'll continue to follow that one. We also have

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Speaker 1: I think what we'll get into this a little bit

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Speaker 1: more tomorrow. This is sort of the odds and ends

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Speaker 1: we'd have time for today, but as of right now,

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Speaker 1: at least I was. I was actually a little surprised

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Speaker 1: about this Clay. It looks like the effort for Mark

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Speaker 1: Meadows to move his trial to federal court in Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: judge said no, yeah, not moving it to federal court.

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Speaker 1: And there was a lot of confidence from a lot

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Speaker 1: of folks, not just you, that that was easily going

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Speaker 1: to get moved. It may still get moved. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but first first attempt to get it moved by Meadows,

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Speaker 1: the judge. And this is my concern along is that

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Speaker 1: they've the system is not going to operate the way

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Speaker 1: the system is supposed to operate, right that it's going

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Speaker 1: to be, And they're like, no, no, you're you're staying

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Speaker 1: here in this courthouse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And if Meadows is getting shut down, then you

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Speaker 2: would think that Trump would get shut down too. Now,

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Speaker 2: a big part of making that request is developing the

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Speaker 2: appealable record, So you're going to file This is why

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Speaker 2: I think so many of these cases are going to

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Speaker 2: take a long time. You're going to file as many

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Speaker 2: motions as you possibly can and appeal whichever motions you can. Really,

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Speaker 2: the early days of this Trump process, you almost need

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Speaker 2: you can argue, what can be appealed, what the timeline is,

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Speaker 2: how long you wait to make those appeals. I think

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Speaker 2: Trump has to request, if I'm not mistaken buck, a

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Speaker 2: removal from the state court to the federal court by

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Speaker 2: the end of September, my bet would be the last

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Speaker 2: day that he can file that request. He will because

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Speaker 2: the goal is to prolong these things as long as

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Speaker 2: you possibly can.

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Speaker 1: What one thing that we're seeing the same way that

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Speaker 1: I think people have had to come to the recognition

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Speaker 1: that when you have a prosecutor who is acting in

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Speaker 1: highly politicized fashion, there really isn't oversight on bad faith prosecution.

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Speaker 1: Not not really, not until it gets into the actual

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Speaker 1: judicial process and appeals course, right. I mean, if someone

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Speaker 1: decides to bring charges, they decide to bring charges, there's

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Speaker 1: really not a you know, there's not someone else who

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Speaker 1: gets to I mean, the Attorney general can come in

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Speaker 1: and try to interfere, but that gets very very sticky,

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Speaker 1: very quickly. If you're talking about a federal case. You're

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Speaker 1: also I think seeing this with judges now, and that's

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Speaker 1: that's another concern that we'll can Well, we'll follow we'll

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Speaker 1: talk more about it this week. There'll be more on this.

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Speaker 1: But what happens when you have judges who like Clay

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Speaker 1: on a reasonable standard, there's no way you'd be able

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Speaker 1: to normally get a trial done. I mean a number

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Speaker 1: of these trials based on the review what we've talked about,

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Speaker 1: based on But what if the judges are choosing to

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Speaker 1: be unreasonable, or rather they're being reasonable in their own

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Speaker 1: estimation because they have the power to fast track the case.

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Speaker 1: I think. Here, here's what this judge said about about

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Speaker 1: the Meadows thing. Judge Stephen Jones, this is to try

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Speaker 1: to get Mark Meadows state Remember nineteen defendants in Georgia

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Speaker 1: state case moved to a federal courthouse, but it would

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Speaker 1: still be state charges, which is this is like the

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Speaker 1: federal preemption we talked.

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Speaker 2: With Nancy complicated, I think very specifically is wrong. By

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Speaker 2: the way, Yeah, I think it should be federal.

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Speaker 1: But he says, the court finds that the color of

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Speaker 1: the office of the White House chief of Staff did

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Speaker 1: not include working with or working for the Trump campaign

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Speaker 1: except for simply coordinated President's schedule. This is a quote

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Speaker 1: engaging in political activities exceeds the outer limits of the

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Speaker 1: office of White House chief of Staff. Really yeah, Like

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Speaker 1: like what you read this, you go, oh wow. They

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Speaker 1: want to keep it in house well.

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Speaker 2: And also the other thing to factor in here, most

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Speaker 2: judges don't want to give up their authority. That's one

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Speaker 2: of the challenges that you're running into here is ultimately

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Speaker 2: these judges, I think a lot of them want these cases.

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Speaker 2: I think they want to be you know, sort of

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Speaker 2: to use the line from a few good men, they

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Speaker 2: want to be the man on that wall. They want

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Speaker 2: to be the woman on that wall.

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Speaker 1: Was there one person who said winners want the ball?

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Speaker 1: Is that Mike Ditka or something, or you know, it

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Speaker 1: sounds like.

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Speaker 2: A Jordan quote, But yes, I mean I think they

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Speaker 2: want the control of that case. They all think that

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Speaker 2: they are uniquely suited to arbitrate cases of this magnitude.

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Speaker 1: Meadows is going to appeal this the Eleventh Circuit Court

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Speaker 1: of Appeals. We'll see how that goes.

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Speaker 2: Eleventh Circuit is a favorable court of appeals. One thing

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Speaker 2: to kind of keep in mind here, again, this is

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Speaker 2: crazy that you would have to work through. But the

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Speaker 2: way that the circuits are set up again, you can

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Speaker 2: have a district court that has one sort of predisposition,

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Speaker 2: then you can have a circuit court, and then you

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Speaker 2: can have a Supreme court same case. They can all

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Speaker 2: come up with different rulings. I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: people find that confusing, but that's the reality of where

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Speaker 2: we are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the system we have, it's it's not perfect. Everybody

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Speaker 1: that's putting in mildly and with the Trump stuff, I

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Speaker 1: think you're going to see it getting even more imperfect

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Speaker 1: going on.

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Speaker 2: Here, and here's something that will rattle you even more buck. Initially,

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Speaker 2: a lot of these appeals are going to go to random,

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Speaker 2: small segments of the circuit court. So the so called

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Speaker 2: en banc hearing is a you're not going to get

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Speaker 2: the full circuit opinion, you get a small circuit so

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Speaker 2: that can be a randomized sampling of a court larger

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Speaker 2: court that isn't actually that representative of what the full

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Speaker 2: court would do, which is why sometimes you require.

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Speaker 1: A full hearing on some of these hearings as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: our judicial process it's like playing the lottery, except instead

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Speaker 1: of winning money, you figure out whether or not you're

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Speaker 1: going to prison.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and a good spot to be in if you're

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Speaker 2: a defendant, there's no doubt about that. Best country to

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Speaker 2: be a defendant, end though still in the whole world,