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Speaker 4: ton to talk about here. We're gonna discuss Kenny Atkinson

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Speaker 4: trade for Monte Morris. Also, Sham's just dropped like a

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Speaker 4: that as well. It just just dropped. But first, why

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Speaker 4: not a little twenty twenty two finals wrap up here?

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Speaker 4: I got a few questions for you guys, And the

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Speaker 4: first one, it's like a little softball. I'm just lobbing

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Speaker 4: dinger like you'r James Winger As a guy, I knew

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Speaker 4: what will you remember most?

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Speaker 4: Try and get a started here from the twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: two NBA Finals. If you were to pick, you know,

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Speaker 2: It is one game. Stephan in Game four is unforgettable

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Speaker 2: Steph's gonna have to win this one if it happens

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Speaker 2: He hit that beautiful twelve foot floater. I went back

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Speaker 2: So that's something I'll never forget. This was a legendary

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Speaker 1: Game for him.

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Speaker 3: You agree with that, I do, yes. It was hats

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Speaker 3: down really in the rafters the because the Celtics looked

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Speaker 3: So this one, you know, not that Steph needed the

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Speaker 3: But now he's got it, and it's just sort of like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: He didn't want to talk about it, by the way.

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Speaker 3: me the most impressive Warriors championship victory because they were

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no more generic know it about the Golden State Warriors.

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Speaker 1: I'll remember that they go down to one and win championships.

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Speaker 1: They did it against the Celtics. They did it in

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Speaker 4: Also, twenty years from now, I think a memorable moment,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Celtics went on a bit of a

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Speaker 3: But now that he's done it, he's put it out there.

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Speaker 3: It's like the guy getting the tattoo on his arms.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's talk a little bit more about stuff. This

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Speaker 3: To you?

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Speaker 4: You know, is he a lock in the top ten?

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Speaker 4: Is you just outside? Where where do you have them?

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Speaker 3: Think, yeah, you did ask me straight away, and in

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Speaker 3: and this is without doubt the most subjective ranking in basketball,

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Speaker 3: because we all have different ways of deciding our own

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Speaker 3: all time history, you have to be undeniably have been

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Speaker 3: The reason I bring up best almost impactful because when

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Speaker 3: I incorporated the playoffs. But Steph was the most impactful

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Speaker 4: That's the thing. If you're a Kobe fan, if you're

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Speaker 2: But I feel like when Lee was explaining Steph's MVPs

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Speaker 3: But like I, I look at just what he did

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Speaker 4: Well. Let's hear from everybody out there, always a fun one.

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Speaker 4: Where are you putting Curry? Do you have him above Kobe?

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Speaker 2: to be on that list, to go from a number

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Speaker 2: seven pick. You watch him in college, they're like, there's

431
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Speaker 2: no way this is going to work in the NBA,

432
00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,000
Speaker 2: and then he plays exactly like that and becomes the

433
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Speaker 2: best player in the league. Where a Shack number one

434
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Speaker 2: draft pick, people would say he maybe was a bit

435
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Speaker 2: of an underachiever. Yeah, Like he wasn't on your list

436
00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,320
Speaker 2: of guys that have two MVPs in their career, right,

437
00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:40,119
Speaker 2: that's pretty crazy.

438
00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, So are you.

439
00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,040
Speaker 2: Taking the guy who got the absolute most out of

440
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Speaker 2: his talent or are you're taking the guy who was

441
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,159
Speaker 2: built to be the best player in the league and

442
00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:48,360
Speaker 2: was sometimes.

443
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Speaker 4: What he wanted what he wanted to Yeah, yeah, yeah, No,

444
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Speaker 4: it's tough.

445
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

446
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Speaker 4: I don't think everybody has Shack in their top ten. Yeah,

447
00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:55,600
Speaker 4: I know.

448
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Speaker 3: I think he gets overlooked though now as time's going on.

449
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 3: But I think for five six he was like immediately

450
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Speaker 3: like his team should win the championship. Now he didn't

451
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Speaker 3: win him every year, Yeah, but it was, and he

452
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Speaker 3: didn't change the game because it was just like he

453
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Speaker 3: was such a force. It was just unstoppable. But I

454
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Speaker 3: think Shaq, just when you can just be basically the

455
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Speaker 3: player who everyone's like, how are we going to beat

456
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Speaker 3: this guy? For that many years, put you in that

457
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Speaker 3: top ten.

458
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Speaker 4: All right, let's look to the offseason a little bit here.

459
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Speaker 4: We'll start with the Warriors and we'll move to the

460
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Speaker 4: Celtics task. What is the biggest question facing the Golden

461
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Speaker 4: State Warriors here in defending their title and what they

462
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Speaker 4: have to do this offseason?

463
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Speaker 1: They got ride some checks. Well, Curry, Clay and Draymond

464
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Speaker 1: are signed for multiple seasons, so don't worry about them.

465
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Speaker 1: What about their other extremely key piece, You remember him?

466
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Speaker 1: His name is Andrew Wiggins. Are the Warriors gonna get

467
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Speaker 1: wiggy with it for a long time? Because Wiggins is

468
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Speaker 1: signed for next season, but he is eligible for an

469
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Speaker 1: extension past then, he was considered one of the league's

470
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Speaker 1: most overrated or overpaid and both but overpaid players coming

471
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Speaker 1: into this season. It's making thirty three mil but now

472
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Speaker 1: worth every Canadian penny, So I think Wigans expects an

473
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Speaker 1: extension here. If you saw the video of him and

474
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Speaker 1: Jordan Poole in the celebration after the game, they're talking

475
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Speaker 1: to each other. You about to get a bag? No,

476
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Speaker 1: you about to get a bag? No, we about to

477
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Speaker 1: get a bag. So they're both going to get paid.

478
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Speaker 1: They both have a year left and so that's those

479
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Speaker 1: two are the biggest worry for the Golden State front

480
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Speaker 1: office and ownership. What do we do because you know,

481
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Speaker 1: as as Brian Winhurst famously said during the postseason, when

482
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Speaker 1: Curry won Game four, there this was a checkbook win?

483
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Speaker 1: Was it Game four?

484
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Speaker 2: Anyways?

485
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Speaker 1: Yea, there was the wakens. Yeah, So are you going

486
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Speaker 1: to continue to you know, pay these guys because the

487
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Speaker 1: money can get up to three hundred million when you're

488
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Speaker 1: looking at all the luxury tax payments and nearly four

489
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Speaker 1: hundred millions when it comes to twenty three twenty four,

490
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Speaker 1: and that's uh, you know, those are just numbers we

491
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Speaker 1: don't hear about. They're they're sort of unconceivable, inconceivable when

492
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Speaker 1: it comes to NBA basketball. But I think they're going

493
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Speaker 1: to do it because they've got this chemistry they somehow

494
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Speaker 1: have you know, they turned Kevin Durant into Jonathan Kaminga

495
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Speaker 1: and Andrew Wiggins and I think it would be very

496
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Speaker 1: difficult to turn away your fourth best player here and

497
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Speaker 1: all stars. So I think they're just going to, uh yeah,

498
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Speaker 1: give up a lot of money here to to pay

499
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Speaker 1: these guys, and the Wiggans is gonna get paid a lot.

500
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Speaker 4: Give Looney and Gary Payton second too, Like are they

501
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Speaker 4: just gonna literally just run back this entire team.

502
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Speaker 1: I think I think that's probably the line where it stops,

503
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Speaker 1: because they still have they could pay otto porter. You

504
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Speaker 1: know who was a starter in the last couple of games,

505
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Speaker 1: Andre Goodala. I'm not sure if he comes back. No

506
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Speaker 1: many of be Elitza or those are the three that

507
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Speaker 1: I don't think come back. But I think you gotta

508
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Speaker 1: pay Gary Payton. Uh and I think you gotta pay

509
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Speaker 1: Kevon Looney who who was a part of this entire

510
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Speaker 1: run essentially, And so I think it was such a key.

511
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins and Jordan Poole were huge keys. Just the

512
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Speaker 1: fact that they shot the ball, even that they had

513
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Speaker 1: the confidence that they had the freedom they have fit

514
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Speaker 1: so well into this Golden State Warriors team. Like if

515
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Speaker 1: you look at Andrew Wiggins numbers, I know we're all

516
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Speaker 1: talking about defensive and rebounding and all that, but he

517
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Speaker 1: wasn't shooting the ball well. Going into Game six from

518
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Speaker 1: three point line, he was hitting one of every foes

519
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Speaker 1: twenty five percent. So most of the time he'd miss

520
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 1: and most of the time you think of Andrew Wiggins' career,

521
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Speaker 1: you'd think he probably is gonna stop shooting. But the

522
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Speaker 1: fact that he was shooting was the most important thing.

523
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Speaker 1: The fact that they knew where their shots were coming

524
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Speaker 1: from is the most important thing. You look on the

525
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Speaker 1: other side of the floor of the Celtics, that was

526
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Speaker 1: a big problem. They just kind of got in each

527
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Speaker 1: other's way and didn't know where their shots were coming from.

528
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Speaker 1: So Wiggins is just a part of this culture. Who

529
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Speaker 1: is he is just ready to shoot? Jordan Poole same thing.

530
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Speaker 1: You might have looked at him and said, as bench

531
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Speaker 1: this guy, but he was so important to just being confident,

532
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Speaker 1: still firing away. It's the Warriors effect and they have

533
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Speaker 1: just they have just blended in so well. So I think, yeah,

534
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Speaker 1: you got to pay those are you know, you're maybe

535
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Speaker 1: your five most important players and then Looting and Peyton

536
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Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a lot of money, but I

537
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Speaker 1: think they're willing to do it.

538
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Speaker 3: What do you think, Yeah, I think, I mean they

539
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 3: have to pay someone because I don't have many guys

540
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 3: under contract for next season, so I think they're more

541
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Speaker 3: likely to try to keep the go as they've got

542
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Speaker 3: coming back. But Loony's probably the biggest question.

543
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Speaker 1: Well, those guys are signed next year. All those guys

544
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Speaker 1: are signing for Looney. I'm not loony'mons.

545
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for the next season, but they can sign now.

546
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Speaker 2: Beyond that, I actually don't think they'll get signed this year.

547
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Speaker 2: I think it makes more sense to sign them the

548
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Speaker 2: year after, especially when you consider like the way the

549
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Speaker 2: Warriors have built their team. Kaminga is supposed to be

550
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Speaker 2: in Wigan's spot long term, so I can see them

551
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Speaker 2: letting the possible extension go by the wayside during this

552
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Speaker 2: off season. See how it plays out. See if Kaminga

553
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: gives you anything next year. Uh, and then maybe you

554
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 2: have to move on from Wiggins just from a salary

555
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 2: cap perspective, whereas Pool extension eligible as well. But he'll

556
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Speaker 2: be a restricted free agent next summer, so they'll probably say,

557
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Speaker 2: let's see you prove it again, have another great season,

558
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 2: go get an offer sheet. We can match it if

559
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Speaker 2: we want, or we can not match. That's way to me,

560
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 2: the biggest question, it's got to be the young guys developing,

561
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Speaker 2: because that could answer a Looney question. If Wiseman's able

562
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Speaker 2: to stay on the court next year, that could answer

563
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: a Wiggins question down the line. And Moody was actually

564
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Speaker 2: probably the most effective of their young guys this year.

565
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Speaker 2: There was a lot of talk about how the Warriors

566
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Speaker 2: are becoming the next Spurs. The Warriors were really just

567
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Speaker 2: the old Warriors. These young guys did nothing in the

568
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Speaker 2: playoffs for the most part. They're going to need all

569
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Speaker 2: three of them to become serious players in the future

570
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Speaker 2: if they're going to continue to extend the dynasty.

571
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Speaker 3: And the owners have done it so far, but will

572
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Speaker 3: they continue to do that knowing that it is getting

573
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Speaker 3: up there to like four or five hundred million?

574
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Speaker 1: Crazy?

575
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Speaker 3: I mean they but maybe they realize, like we may

576
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Speaker 3: as well try to cash in. They've got the money.

577
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Speaker 3: They're not sure of any dollars out there. But also

578
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Speaker 3: what Andrew Wiggins's market value is is very interesting because

579
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Speaker 3: he played perfectly well at the right time, but he

580
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 3: does have this one year left on his contract, so

581
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Speaker 3: he almost does have to go out there and have

582
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Speaker 3: a really good season, still to prove it, because he

583
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Speaker 3: could become expendable because he's still a little bit inconsistent,

584
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 3: a little bit frustrating. But yeah, guys like the I

585
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Speaker 3: don't think Iguidala is probably coming back. I think he

586
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 3: might be done. But Ido Porta Junior. I mean they

587
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 3: paid him, he's only twenty nine as well, two and

588
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 3: a half million dollars last season. Like he provided some

589
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 3: good veteran minutes for them. They need guys like that.

590
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Speaker 3: Gary Payton, I think he might get a bigger offer

591
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 3: somewhere else. I think he showed defensively he can be

592
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Speaker 3: good if he can be consistent with his three point shooting,

593
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Speaker 3: you know. So, I think they might be down a

594
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Speaker 3: couple of guys here, but as long as they've got

595
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Speaker 3: their main care which they have got locked up here

596
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 3: for another couple of season at the least, and then

597
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Speaker 3: they've got Steph until twenty six when he's up to

598
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Speaker 3: sixty million that season, so.

599
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Speaker 4: Worth every penny. Yeah, turns out his top ten player

600
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Speaker 4: on most people's list. What about the Celtics, can this team?

601
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Speaker 4: Can they return to the finals and what do they

602
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Speaker 4: need to address the soft season?

603
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Speaker 3: Well, I think if you look at them. They have

604
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Speaker 3: got a similar blueprint to what the Warriors have as pharaos.

605
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Speaker 3: They've drafted Jalen Brown, They've drafted Jason Tatum, they drafted

606
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Speaker 3: Marcus Smart. So three guys there have been there a

607
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: long time. They've got playoff experience, they've been to the

608
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Speaker 3: finals now, So I think ultimately what they do need.

609
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Speaker 3: Marcus Smart basically became the point guy when they traded

610
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Speaker 3: it away Shrewder, and he did a good job, but

611
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 3: I think ultimately he's not a true point guard. I

612
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: think they need to probably get and improve point guard there,

613
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Speaker 3: and then they have to decide what they're doing there

614
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Speaker 3: without Horford, who was good for them as well this season,

615
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 3: but is he the long term solution. I mean, Robert

616
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 3: Williams is going to be their starting center, I'm guessing,

617
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: but you have to wonder about his durability, yeah, with

618
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 3: those knees there, because he seems like he's always kind

619
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 3: of either injured or questionable or day to day. But ultimately,

620
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Speaker 3: I don't think the Celtics need to make huge moves.

621
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Speaker 3: I think again they need to like grab like an

622
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 3: Andrea Goodoala from some team so they can sort of

623
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Speaker 3: help solidify that team and just continue to be Like

624
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: they've got Derek White coming off the bench. I think

625
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 3: that was a really good move they got him. Udoka

626
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 3: showed he was a very good coach in his first season.

627
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Speaker 3: So I don't think I don't think there's a major

628
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 3: move out there. I think it's more just like improvements

629
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 3: around the edges because you've got your star players already

630
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 3: in Tatum and Brown there, you're all star caliber all.

631
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 4: NBA who also still need to improve, but they will.

632
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 3: They're very, very young, and I do think that this

633
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 3: playoff experience will pay off of them down the road

634
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 3: because they made some bad mistakes as far as turning

635
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: the ball over, and Titum as well, just seems sort

636
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 3: of disengaged in a couple of times in the last

637
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 3: couple of games. If you're the franchise guy and he is,

638
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 3: you got to be better than that. So I think

639
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 3: the Celtics will be fine. I think we're going to

640
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 3: see them competing still in the next few years here.

641
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 4: Grant Williams was quoted after the finals saying, being more

642
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 4: mentally strong is the number one thing for this team

643
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 4: moving forward, and being more prepared to focus in on

644
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 4: every little detail that needs to be done. You agree

645
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 4: with that gaming there from Batman.

646
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: Because they don't have to do anything. They're young, and

647
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: they were there. They were there until Game four, five

648
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: minutes left, and then yeah they didn't they just didn't

649
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: execute Jayson Tatum wasn't good enough. Yeah, so they just

650
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: have to be a little bit better. I don't think

651
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: they do much to their lineup at all. Really, I

652
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: think they can get back there.

653
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,479
Speaker 4: Do you think they need to add anything. I mean,

654
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 4: I think maybe helping the bench o, because yeah, one

655
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 4: more key guy off the bench who, like, let's be honest,

656
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 4: after game one, they got the Horford in game one,

657
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 4: they got the Derek White game one, and they got

658
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 4: the Marcus Smart and then and just didn't get really

659
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 4: much of any contributions from Grant Williams Derek White.

660
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 1: Really Tatum is better, then we don't talk about that.

661
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: I think Tatum just can be better. And those those

662
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: other guys just they sort of follow suit. Like we

663
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: just talked about Wagans and Peyton and a bunch of

664
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,719
Speaker 1: guys performing. That's because Steph was amazing and they just

665
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: they just this is the first time I think they.

666
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 4: Can just it's one thing to ask Tatum to improve.

667
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 4: It's another thing to ask him to, you know, get

668
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 4: to the level of Steph Curry, who we just went

669
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 4: through an exercise saying it's one of the greatest of

670
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 4: all time. I mean, maybe Tatum's on that.

671
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: Just don't shoot thirty five percent, shoot forty.

672
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 4: He needs to get better.

673
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't get them all away.

674
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. Jayleen Brown needs to shore up the handle there,

675
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 4: and Tatum needs to be able to finish at the

676
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 4: rim or hit a floater or something like a little

677
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 4: more mid range game there, and and not just not

678
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 4: just the Kobe fadaways and stuff like that when he's attacking.

679
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 4: He needs to get to the line more or just

680
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 4: be able to finish through.

681
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: Let's watch some Dirk Novisky tape. Let's watch some Paul

682
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: Pierce tape. You need to kill in the mid post.

683
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: I think if you're Tatum, because teams are gonna switch.

684
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: He's a huge na like, Tatum is six foot ten.

685
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: This should be pretty easy for him to score against switches.

686
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: Like when Curry was on him, it was always let's

687
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: try to attack him from the top of the key,

688
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: shoulder shoulder, get a really tough shot. After a bunch

689
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: of helps came. They can make it a lot easier

690
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: on him if he's just able to get comfortable with

691
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 2: the fade away, with some mid post moves and just

692
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: finding out how to be more efficient when teams go

693
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: to a switch everything kind of defense against them. Because

694
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: once the Warriors started switching, basically in Game two, that's

695
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: when things dried up for Al Horford as well. Derek

696
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,239
Speaker 2: White was just in drive mode. He couldn't really get

697
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: his three pointers going. So maybe have another child during

698
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: the offseason. But the big thing for the Celtics is

699
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: going to be coming into next season with the same

700
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: mindset they had during the second half of this year.

701
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: We saw what happened with the Hawks last year, went

702
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: to the conference finals, came back to the regular season.

703
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: Trey Hung said, it's boring. It can't be boring for

704
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: the Celtics next year because Miami they're gonna be tough again.

705
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: They'll probably improve adding somebody at some point. They went

706
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: seven games with the Bucks, who were missing their second

707
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: best player. Philadelphia will certainly be competitive and the Balls

708
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: are going to trade for Rudy Gobert and become the

709
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: best regular season team in the Eastern Conference, so it

710
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: ain't gonna be easy for the Celtics. Were like, if

711
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: they're there, they're there. So were the Thunder once upon

712
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: a time. Just because you're young doesn't mean you're getting back.

713
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 4: That's the I mean, would you bet on the Celtics

714
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 4: to be back in the finals next year? In all

715
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 4: honesty and not trying to knock them, but they're just

716
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 4: so much like obviously the nets are obviously they're a

717
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 4: huge question marking though the guy hammered there in the

718
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 4: first round. Would you fine?

719
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I mean the top four in

720
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: the mix, Yeah, I would say so because I do

721
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 3: overall like what they've got there. And you know, I

722
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 3: think that when you've got Tatum, who was All NBA

723
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: First Team, let's not forget that this season, and he

724
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 3: has been to the conference finals before, he's already shown

725
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 3: in his young career like he's he's legit. He got

726
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: a bit of a wake up call in the finals,

727
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 3: but again, I think he will ultimately be better from

728
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: that experience.

729
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: Is there another team that you take over the Celtics

730
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: though on the finals because we're.

731
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 4: I mean Milwaukee Middleton they beat them. I think Middleton plays,

732
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 4: So probably that young, I think. But I also agree

733
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 4: with what Lee saying. It's not like they're not going

734
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 4: to be the Hawks. I think that's unlikely.

735
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: That's a multiple conference finalists team. Yeah, that's the difference between.

736
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 4: And these guys are all outside of Horford, Like, yeah,

737
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 4: they're all under twenty seven, like the core here. And

738
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 4: if Robert Williams is, can you ever put it together

739
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 4: and be healthy for an entire season? He's a game

740
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 4: change here. I mean, yeah, and they went through Yes,

741
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 4: there's some injuries that happens to every team that goes

742
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 4: to the finals or wins the title. But god, they

743
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 4: went through the nets, the Bucks, and the heat, winning

744
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 4: huge games on the road, and then we're almost up

745
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 4: three to one, like you guys said on a damn

746
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 4: dynasty in the finals, like not that many minutes away

747
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 4: from that. So yeah, they have a trade exception to

748
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 4: play with. I think they have the mid level exception,

749
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 4: so they could bring in a shooter or a playmaker.

750
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 4: I think that is a huge question. Are you confident

751
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 4: Marcus Smart being your point guard?

752
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: I think so.

753
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

754
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: Okay, I think they got to be better. They got

755
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: they Yeah, the problem was they didn't close games, even

756
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: against this in the second round and the third round

757
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 1: Bucks in the heat, they weren't able to execute at

758
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: the end. They're a blowout team from January. They just

759
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: bleue out teams. So it's, uh yeah, one of those

760
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: things that where they didn't they didn't close in the clutch.

761
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: So that's is it on Marcus Smart? I think it's

762
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: more on Tatum. Uh and and then and then you're laughing,

763
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: But I don't think they're a lucky finalist by any means.

764
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 4: All Right, Well, let's hear from everybody out there when

765
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,239
Speaker 4: it comes to the Warriors and Celtics offseason and one

766
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 4: are the things they need to do, who they bring

767
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 4: them back, all that good stuff. We'll take our first

768
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 4: break here when we come back. We'll talk about Kenny,

769
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 4: We'll talk about the Jazz jerseys. We'll talk about Monte

770
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 4: Morris in that order. Don't go anywhere. All right, some

771
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 4: news and notes from the NBA world. The thing we're

772
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 4: done with the finals for now. This first one, I

773
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 4: think woes had it first on Saturday. Kenny Atkinson, he

774
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 4: informed the Charlotte Hornets that he won't become the franchise's

775
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,959
Speaker 4: new head coach. And he's gonna remain with the Warriors

776
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 4: as their top assistant tas this cup a lot of

777
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 4: people by surprise, Kenny want a title with Warriors, like

778
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 4: you know, what's screw it? I like it here. I'm

779
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 4: gonna stay here. I'm not going to Charlot.

780
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure I caught the Charlotte Hornets surprise as well.

781
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: There's thirty NBA head coaching jobs. Kenny said, nah, I'm

782
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: not doing it. You know those are the thirty most

783
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: sought after jobs. And he said, no, thank you. So

784
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: why why? Is the question that's a good question. Is

785
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: it's something to do with the Hornets. I'm gonna say no.

786
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that there was anything sort of that

787
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: he didn't like. I guess there's a chance. But does

788
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: he want more security instead of potentially bouncing around? You

789
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: got more security as an assistant coach. He could probably

790
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: have that job for life. Probably is it a race

791
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: because he is moving up a chair with Mike Mike

792
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: Brown leaving after they won the championship.

793
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 3: Maybe Mike Brain will turn around and say none of

794
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 3: the Kings and he would say, I'll come back.

795
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: Mike, Mike Breen, I'm not coming back. Yeah, so yeah,

796
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: Mike Brown, I mean Mark Mark Jones had to move

797
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: up seats. We're talking broadcasters anyways, was it a race

798
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: or does he know something about Steve Kerr? This is

799
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: entirely speculative, but does he think one day Steve Kerr

800
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: is going to step down? Who's very young, he's had

801
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: some back problems. Maybe Steve Kerr wants to do something

802
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: different in his life. He's always been an activist at heart.

803
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm just guessing, but yeah, again, a very young Steve

804
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: Kur at fifty six years of age. I have no

805
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: idea what Kenny is thinking, but I think it's something

806
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: to do more with the Warriors and everything good about them,

807
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: rather than the Charlotte Hornets and something negative about them.

808
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 4: This is rare. It's happened before, I believe where you know,

809
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 4: he didn't sign on the dotted line. That's why when

810
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 4: you're talking about this days prior, it is it's a

811
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 4: report because it's nothing official yet. But still strange. Again,

812
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 4: this doesn't happen all that often where the coach is like,

813
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 4: I guess he was going to be you know what.

814
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 4: I think it was a four year deal. He was

815
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 4: coach Charlotte and instead he's going to stay with the

816
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 4: Warriors for whatever reason, and maybe we'll learn in the

817
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 4: coming days.

818
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: But what you well, Steve Kerk get Phil Jackson a

819
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 3: verbal I'm coming to New York, and then he said, actually,

820
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 3: I'm going to San Francisco. I think ultimately what it

821
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 3: is is winning is a lot more fun than rebuilding

822
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: and losing. And I think Kevin Kenny Atkinson thought Charlotte,

823
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: maybe there's a great opportunity for him because of what

824
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 3: we saw him doing Brooklyn. But then he's like, hang

825
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: on a minute, I'm seeing one of the greatest players

826
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: of all time in his prime. We've just won a championship.

827
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: Maybe we're going to win more. He's living in San Francisco.

828
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 3: Maybe he's like, I'm fine being like, you know, second

829
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: in command under Steve Kerr here, rather than going to

830
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: a team where it's like you've got to really start

831
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: all over again and try to build something out of

832
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: scratch where there's probably going to still be a lot

833
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 3: of losing, a lot of road bumps along the way.

834
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 3: That's all I can think of, because.

835
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: By all reports, he was like calling players and other

836
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 4: assistant coach at people he was in on this job. Again,

837
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 4: this is what you know, the woes and the shams

838
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 4: were telling us.

839
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: So maybe the champagne was flowing though after the game

840
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: and he was like, you know what, I'm staying and

841
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I have no idea. It

842
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 3: is very rare because most assistants are ultimately gunning for

843
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 3: any top job, and this is a great opportunity for

844
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 3: Kenny to sort of solidify his reputation as well as

845
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 3: a player development goy. But whatever the reasons were, he's

846
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: decided it's not for me.

847
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 4: What do you think about this whole ordeal here?

848
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 2: I guess Kenny Atkinson had Stephan Curry ahead of Michael

849
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: Jordan on his top ten lists and that's the reason

850
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: he simply had to stay with the Golden State Warriors.

851
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. These guys nailed it, like It's very

852
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: strange to see this happening. So the two questions to

853
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: me are how much is Golden State paying him? They

854
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: must be making it worth his while to stick around

855
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: if he's moving up one seat at the very least,

856
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: it seems like it must be competitive with a lower

857
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: level head coaching salary, which is probably what he's getting

858
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: from the Hornets, as you know, a guy with a

859
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 2: little bit of a track record but not super established.

860
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: And then how much longer is Steve Kerr going to

861
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: be coaching? He did have back surgery. We saw Quinn

862
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: Snyder just took a break after having a hip surgery,

863
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: So maybe Kerr has some sort of succession plan lined

864
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 2: out here at some point in the future. Though it

865
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: does not feel at all like Steve Kerr would be

866
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 2: leaving this team soon, So I.

867
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 4: Don't know, it's just a it's weird.

868
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 2: I just I imagine this won't do anything for Kenny Atkinson's reputation,

869
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 2: Like if you keep winning championship with the Warriors, you're

870
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 2: always going to be one of those top candidates. So

871
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll hear his name again at some point.

872
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: Will it be the Warriors or another team that's not

873
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: the Hornets? We shall see.

874
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 4: Do you think the Hornets organization or fan base have

875
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 4: a right to be pissed off with Kenny Atkinson here deciding?

876
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,479
Speaker 4: Now you know what I'm not coming seriously like, yeah,

877
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 4: they had him walked in, they have made these plans.

878
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 4: The draft is this week. Another back to the drawing board,

879
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 4: or would you just like, well, if he doesn't want

880
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 4: to be here, that's worse him just taking a job

881
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 4: and sort of not mentally being here.

882
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: What do you think, Well, I guess it depends on

883
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: who leaked this story that he was going to sign,

884
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 1: because if it's the Hornets that leaked it, you only

885
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: have yourself to be upset with because he didn't sign

886
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: a contract.

887
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 4: No, he didn't.

888
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: He was the only coaching candidate. Terry Stotts was in

889
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: the mix, Mike was in the mix, but he was

890
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: the only one to meet with Michael Jordan. Apparently he's

891
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: gonna take me personally, he's gonna coach. He's gonna say,

892
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: screw it, I'm coaching.

893
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: I bet the Hornets beat the Warriors twice.

894
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 4: Next I was thinking the same thing.

895
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: That's all there, the two the biggest games of the

896
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 2: season for us.

897
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: Is gonna He's gonna go at an assistant coach like

898
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: you've never.

899
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 4: Said, Uh, do you have any idea who now coaches

900
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 4: this team? Is it Mike D'Antonio who is on the

901
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 4: short list?

902
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 3: Well, sure, I guess he's the sort of next in line.

903
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 4: There's two openings still, right, The Utah Jazz that's right,

904
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 4: Charlotte Hornet.

905
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 3: Maybe Snyder goes to Charlotte. I don't know. Yeah, I guess,

906
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: I guess you go back to you sort of whoever

907
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 3: was next on the list there. But maybe you do

908
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 3: want to interview other guys. I don't think d'antoni's the

909
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: right fit there for the Hornets myself, but maybe Michael

910
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 3: Jordan thinks differently. Who knows.

911
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I brought up the Utah Jazz. Let's talk

912
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 4: about that because they made some waves on the weekend here.

913
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 4: They unveiled a new slate of uniforms and courts, I

914
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 4: should add, and we're showing them to you here on YouTube.

915
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 4: You've got the purple Mountain jerseys there on the far left,

916
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 4: so those are making a return. And then you've got

917
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 4: some black and neon and yellow and white jerseys here

918
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 4: with some big old fots up in your face. Trey,

919
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 4: what do you think of the Jazz here in these

920
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 4: new jerseys that they're going to be wearing next season?

921
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: Well, I think you won't struggle to remember which team

922
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 2: you're watching because those are some fonts on those new jerseys.

923
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: I like them though, I actually do like them black

924
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: and I like the yellow the white. One of the

925
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: three new ones is the worst.

926
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: To me.

927
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 2: I think they look kind of like very on trend,

928
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: very very simple, no doubt about it. They don't look

929
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: like NBA jerseys though, Like this looks like it would

930
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: be a cool Oregon Ducks jersey or a cool Baylor

931
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 2: University jerseys. So I don't know if this is Dwayne

932
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: Wade trying to make the Utah Jazz cool. I see

933
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: what he's getting at here. It's strange to see because

934
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 2: it's such a departure from everything else in the league.

935
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: But you know, I remember not liking the Brooklyn Nets

936
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 2: uniforms when they first came out, and now I'm like,

937
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: those look pretty snazzy out there.

938
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 4: Okay, I will say the Jazz announced that purple is

939
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 4: going to remain in their color palette going forward, so

940
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 4: that this is the funny part about this press release.

941
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 4: It was like, Okay, here are four jerseys, just let's

942
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 4: just talk about this one. Let's just talk about the

943
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 4: old classic mountains that everybody likes the purple and don't

944
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 4: worry too much about these other ones, which, you know,

945
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 4: trace seems like them. But a lot of people are like,

946
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 4: what the hell are those They don't look like NBA uniforms.

947
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 4: So they've had a lot of different color schemes when

948
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 4: you think about it, I've had green jerseys, and they've

949
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 4: had their their red and orange gredient jerseys. Yeah, they

950
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 4: just try sort of a lot of colors. And now

951
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 4: they're trying the black and there's the knee on yellow.

952
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 4: I mean, are you a fanly of those ones especially?

953
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 3: I mean they're very simple.

954
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 4: They are very simple.

955
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 3: They literally have just put a name on the front

956
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 3: and a number. There's no real like. I love those

957
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: gradient ones, I think because that, to me is like

958
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: the court and what you imagine with the Utah area.

959
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 3: This one just sort of looks like we just want

960
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 3: to I just want to put black and yellow together

961
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 3: and put them out there. The old Mountain ones are fine.

962
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: I never really loved those ones from the adults Fine,

963
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: you know, from the nineties nostalgia.

964
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't I don't know.

965
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: I like that fine, I just don't think they're I

966
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: think I don't like the font on the jazz in

967
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 3: the Mountains. That's what I think is annoying.

968
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: If it didn't say jazz, it's true, and it wasn't

969
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: a Utah jazz jersey, that'd be It's tough.

970
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 4: It's tough to take jazz and then pair it with mountains,

971
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 4: which is just difficult.

972
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: I mean, and the white one. Again, every team's got

973
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 3: just a white uniform. But I think I probably like

974
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 3: that with the jazz logo more than just the big Utah.

975
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 3: Like it's like a kid's first day in school. He's

976
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: got to put his name tag on his shirts. Everyone

977
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 3: knows it.

978
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: But they look like pennies. They look like their practice uniforms,

979
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: no doubt. Those those middle ones. Now, if they said

980
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: a trend, maybe maybe they will look back and say

981
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: they're cool. But they do not look like they should

982
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: be worn during a game practice.

983
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: Sure they've actually got a bit of a summer league.

984
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there's there's nothing.

985
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: There's nothing to them, you know, the home one. I

986
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: don't mind the yellow trim on it, but yeah, even

987
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: the number and logo. They kind of look like they're

988
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: pennies too, you know. And and pennies is a weird

989
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: word to say, as I say it over and over,

990
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: but pennies. I always thought it was pennies. I always

991
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: thought it was pennies. And in high school we get

992
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: we get them, and I thought, they're definitely pennies, but

993
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: it's short. You know what pennies are short for? What

994
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: the term is?

995
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: No pin struck, no.

996
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: Pinafores like no like like pennies like a like a

997
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: meshy pin stripes.

998
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 3: That's what you was sort of going. But I was like, okay, pennies.

999
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: You don't know what pennies are.

1000
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 4: Have you ever heard that enough.

1001
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 3: For like a sweater or whatever?

1002
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 4: No, well it's not sweater.

1003
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: It's like a practice jersey. Did yours have like like

1004
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: elastic at the bottom of them? That was a lot

1005
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: like a like a rock a bib and that.

1006
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 3: They had the they had the little strap there like

1007
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: that that.

1008
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 2: I was like, why am I wearing a mid riff

1009
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: over a T shirt? So you know I'm on another team.

1010
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: Let's just pop our shirts off here.

1011
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean those would be nice in the pennies department.

1012
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: Those those jazz jerseys would be nice.

1013
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 4: So you're not you're not very high on these.

1014
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: Nah, I think, yeah, we could get a little bit

1015
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: more intricate. They're just so simple and the purple nostalgia's

1016
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: they're they're nostalgic. I I I'm not super hot on them,

1017
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: but yeah, I do like the the red Rocks that

1018
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: which are going away.

1019
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 4: I guess so. Yeah, So I fell down like a

1020
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 4: crazy rabbit hole, like reading and watching people's opinions on

1021
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 4: these jerseys on the weekend, had some time to kill

1022
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 4: and you know, I brought up like it is difficult

1023
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: when you think about it, like their name is the

1024
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 4: jazz and you've got a parrot sort of with this,

1025
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 4: like mountains motif or the have at least in the past.

1026
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 4: That is difficult. I found my favorite comment ever from Christian.

1027
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 4: I found it in a YouTube section under a video

1028
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 4: about these jerseys people weighing in on them.

1029
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 3: Listen to this.

1030
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 4: I have to read this to you. Quote this from

1031
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 4: Christian dhas I am and have always been a huge

1032
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 4: fan of the Purple Mountain jerseys. Okay, I think it's

1033
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 4: the best one the jazz have had. There is also

1034
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 4: actually quite a similarity between mountains and jazz music. Jazz music.

1035
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 4: Jazz music is very raw, as are the mountains. It

1036
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 4: can't be altered or reproduced or it's not authentic jazz

1037
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 4: music in the mountains. Both have definitive highs and lows,

1038
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 4: peaks and valleys. Jazz music isn't something you play, it's

1039
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 4: something you feel. And we all know the feeling you

1040
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 4: get when you summit a tall peak, holy crap cars.

1041
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 4: So Christian is a fan of those purple throwbacks there,

1042
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 4: back to the Stockton Malone days. Yeah, I like them.

1043
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 4: I'm a huge fan of the purple and yeah, so

1044
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 4: I like them.

1045
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 3: Leaning when I see those, I just think of that

1046
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: massive one that Calm Alone used to weigh. You know,

1047
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 3: it always felt like it was like this should don't

1048
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 3: worry a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what it

1049
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 3: felt like to me. But they were fine. I just

1050
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 3: no fun.

1051
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 4: They do need to pick a lane here, and I

1052
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 4: guess they're picking the purple aane. Maybe they're gonna go

1053
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 4: with that for the coming years. Let's hear from everybody

1054
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 4: out there, thumbs upper, thumbs down on the jazz jerseys.

1055
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 4: They got some new courts too. I didn't have photos

1056
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 4: of them, but I thought they were They were okay,

1057
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 4: And a lot of people think the jerseys, those black

1058
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 4: and yellow ones, they might look pretty cool on the

1059
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 4: new court if you saw it, sort of it's sort

1060
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 4: of nets like, like, yeah, monochromatic. They're gonna look good.

1061
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna look I feel like Utah has

1062
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 2: a pretty nondescript look this season, you know, definitely not

1063
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: their classic, their most classic of uniform sets. These are

1064
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: gonna look unique, There's no doubt about that. And at

1065
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: this point, if you're not doing a floor that matches

1066
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: your uniforms, you're a.

1067
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: Straight up sucker.

1068
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: So it's part and parcel.

1069
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: At this point, they're not bad, starting to get her

1070
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: because the home ones are even a little bit better

1071
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: than their previous home ones. But you're super playing super played.

1072
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, like the Minnesota Timberwolves, the had

1073
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: the neon one the last couple of years.

1074
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 3: I can't believe it that they've have worn that for

1075
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 3: like five years.

1076
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: It looks crazy when you look at it as in

1077
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: an off season press release.

1078
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 4: But on the court, I think two things can be true.

1079
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 4: Though I agree with you guys, these might look okay

1080
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 4: on the court, I wouldn't want to be caught dead wearing.

1081
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: One of those.

1082
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 4: It's a huge jazz jerseys well that part too, but

1083
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 4: it's not very cool looking at I mean, there's not

1084
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 4: much to it. We just talked about, Like the best

1085
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 4: part about this is that they released a jersey from

1086
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 4: the nineteen ninety eight NBA Finals alongside a jersey with

1087
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 4: a Michael Jordan right there on the chest.

1088
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: That's so, we got the Jazz wearing Jordan jerseys. We've

1089
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: got the Pistons wearing Jordan jerseys. I think the Knicks

1090
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 2: do as well, doesn't every team? Everybody but Kenny Atkinson,

1091
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: He's like, not for me, No thanks, buddy.

1092
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 4: All right. A final piece of news here for the

1093
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 4: last couple of days. This one from real GM, though

1094
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 4: I think it was by way of the Denver Post.

1095
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 4: The Nuggets are drawing great trade interest in Montey Morris. Tess,

1096
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 4: what do you think of those? Because you know they

1097
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 4: traded Jamichael Green and now, I mean there are teams

1098
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 4: that possibly wanted monte Morris.

1099
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: What do you think I forgot this one was mine

1100
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: and now it's and now it definitely looks like they

1101
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: could be going the cheap route. I didn't necessarily buy

1102
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 1: it with Jamichael Green last week because I do think

1103
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: he's somewhat replaceable. He hasn't really met his I believe

1104
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: his h his expectation in the NBA. But Montey Morris

1105
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: has been so solid. Why give up this depth. He

1106
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: was really a guy that they could depend on. He

1107
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: was a rock for them last year with Jamal Murray

1108
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: and Michael Porter out. He played seventy five games career

1109
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: highs all over the board twelve and a half points,

1110
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: four and a half assists, three boards, shooting incredible forty eight,

1111
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: thirty nine and eighty seven. So why why why, Especially

1112
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: it's such a cheap contract at nine and a half

1113
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: for the next two seasons. That's nothing for a guard

1114
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: who could fill in his a starter, could be a

1115
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: great backup. This, this is a This is odd to me.

1116
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I don't get why they would

1117
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: be trading him. It makes me question what's going on

1118
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: with Jamal Murray and Michael Porter, who obviously didn't finish

1119
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: the season with them. Are they just saying we're gonna

1120
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 1: blow it up for a season around Yokic. I mean

1121
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: blow it up as in like we have we have

1122
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: Jokic and Gordon and maybe maybe we're just not going

1123
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: to be good enough. Maybe Murray and Porter aren't playing,

1124
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: maybe they know that. That's weird. It's just it's all

1125
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: weird to me. I would think you'd want Monty Morris

1126
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: backing up those guys. He's just could though too.

1127
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 4: Is the other way to look at this Monty Morris

1128
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 4: and they have a couple of draft picks. I mean,

1129
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 4: they could be trying to do that as well. And

1130
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 4: I think they are, like Jamal Murray's coming back, so sorry,

1131
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 4: you're not starting Monty Morris, And they might be very

1132
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 4: high on Bones Highland, who played it really well for

1133
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 4: them too, So like, you know, that's a bit of

1134
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 4: a minute crunch and maybe we can get something.

1135
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: Sounds like they're being cheap because why why not play

1136
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: him as a backup? You know, you have your four

1137
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: guys if Porter and and Murray are coming back, along

1138
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: with Aaron Gordon and Jokic, and I assume they do

1139
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: want Highland to play, but to me that sounds like

1140
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: they're just cheaping out.

1141
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 4: What do you think about this?

1142
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's fine to trade him if they

1143
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: can get someone better, But I mean, what's the market

1144
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 3: for Montey Mars. He's a fine backup, he's a good player,

1145
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 3: you know, he's improved over his seasons, But I don't

1146
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 3: think you're going to get much more than like for

1147
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 3: liking a straight up deal. Maybe if you do say, okay,

1148
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 3: we'll give you him in a first pick. Maybe they

1149
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 3: do get something else, but I think Jamal obviously is

1150
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: going to be their starter. Bones Higland was good at

1151
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 3: this point, but is he a true point guard backup?

1152
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: I think Monte is a bit more of a steady hand,

1153
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 3: so I would keep him. But you know, who knows

1154
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: what the Nuggets are doing there? It doesn't seem like

1155
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: I don't know what their plan is, to be.

1156
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 2: Honest, idea, I hope they get a wing back. As

1157
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: long as they get a wing back, this will be

1158
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 2: fine because I think Bones Highland is pretty solid and

1159
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 2: he's going to be ready for more, and there's gonna

1160
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: be less opportunity with Jamal Murray coming back. But as

1161
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 2: we saw come playoff time, the wing rotation for the

1162
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: Nuggets is just pretty bad. Aaron Gordon wasn't able to

1163
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 2: do much. Will Barton can only take you solf far.

1164
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: So if you're able to like package a pick and

1165
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: Will Barton and Monte Morris, you're talking about twenty million

1166
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: dollars in salary, you could get a helpful guy on

1167
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: the wing. But I'm also with tasks if they end

1168
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 2: up just trading him as a salary dump. It's like

1169
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: you had Connolly, you had Jamichael Green, you had Monte Morris.

1170
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 2: That's not a great trend if you're just making all

1171
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: of these moves for money when you're theoretically gonna be

1172
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: trying to win a championship.

1173
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody's getting Jeremy Grant, so maybe they're getting baby Wow.

1174
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think definitely Will Barton could be that. They

1175
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 4: are probably calling teams sure, because I think they could

1176
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 4: be convinced that he's a great player. Buddy, ain't gonna

1177
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 4: help you defensively, and you're gonna get exposed with him

1178
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 4: out there.

1179
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,720
Speaker 2: And if you're a contender, you're like, hey, Will Barton

1180
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: is a sixth man. That's a lot better than Will

1181
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: Barton as your third best scorer.

1182
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:42,439
Speaker 3: Yep.

1183
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 4: All right, Well, let's hear from everybody out there. What

1184
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 4: are the Nuggets doing? What should they do? Should they

1185
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 4: hold on to Monte Morris who could use them as

1186
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 4: something we really didn't get into. Let's hear all your

1187
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 4: thoughts on that will take one more break. But when

1188
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 4: we come back, you gotta tweet in the night for that.

1189
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: I do.

1190
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 4: All right, We'll be right back, all right, Lee, Yeah,

1191
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 4: it's time for or a tweet of the.

1192
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: Note tweet overnight wow Twitter.

1193
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 3: Yes, So the season has come to an end, which

1194
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 3: means it's summer camp and team camp time of the year.

1195
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 3: So you know, you sign up your kids and they

1196
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 3: go along to a camp and the Sacramento King's had

1197
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 3: one and alumni Jason Williams was on hand. And you

1198
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 3: know when there's a kid at a basketball camp, they

1199
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 3: have to ask Jason Williams one thing. Thanks, so yeah,

1200
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 3: so of course why chocolate had to do that. I mean,

1201
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 3: he was on hand for that and he gets asked that.

1202
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 3: So I'm going to ask you a question after this

1203
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 3: another video because there was another classic Jason Williams a

1204
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 3: little move there, having a little bit of fun there

1205
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 3: with the kids. You can check this one out. Look

1206
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 3: at this for a.

1207
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 4: Little at that and then the whoa, whoa whoa like.

1208
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 3: That he's got the fake and then the beautiful just

1209
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 3: spin pass like that. No, look at like that beautiful stuff.

1210
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 3: He'd be great fun out of camp for kids because

1211
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 3: you know he'd be doing that stuff all the time

1212
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 3: kids in the Yeah, I.

1213
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: Was just thinking about a kid was smart though. The

1214
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: kids saw that pass happening, and then he looked back,

1215
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: he said, you got me, Jason. He wasn't fooled.

1216
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 3: So my question is off that. I mean, do you

1217
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: can you think of another player who had one move

1218
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 3: that really is just like not not I'm not talking

1219
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 3: like Kareem Sky because he did that forever, but the elbow.

1220
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: Pass cedricalos.

1221
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I guess yeah, But but anyone else

1222
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 3: like that who's had that one iconic move that people

1223
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 3: would just be asking him about.

1224
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess Trevor Booker with the Trevor Booker no

1225
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 4: flip over his head. But that's that's all I can

1226
00:53:58,360 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 4: think of.

1227
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: Ya. Do you Brown would have to come in and

1228
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: rebok pumps? I guess we're going to old school.

1229
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 4: That's a fair, fair one.

1230
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah you're going yeah, I mean dunk contest, Yeah, sure,

1231
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: I mean that's rookie sophomorehib game. Are you going to

1232
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 2: include Jason Richardson going off Carlos Boozer's face and then

1233
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: hitting the three? Kind of similar though he has a

1234
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: dunk contest championships obviously, But you know, shout out to

1235
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: that kid's parents. Why does that kid know about That's

1236
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 2: a young kid.

1237
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 4: He's got like the throwback Kings whatever that one like that.

1238
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 4: But uh, a kid know about Reggie theis.

1239
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah what you got on his steel?

1240
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 3: The Friends gets usd about that as much as Jason

1241
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 3: Williams gets us about it.

1242
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 4: No, no, because I think only the true sicko know

1243
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 4: that this is it?

1244
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, why chocolate.

1245
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: Oh, here's some good suggestions from the stream team.

1246
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 4: The sham God.

1247
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 2: That's a good god. Sham God has a move named

1248
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 2: after cup of coffee in the NBA. And how about

1249
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 2: this Lee Tom Chambers. Tom Chamber is known for the

1250
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 2: dunk on Jackson. Yeah, yeah, pretty.

1251
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 4: Solid, what I think? Actually, just catapult up? Yeah, okay,

1252
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 4: those are good. Those are good. Uh so you would

1253
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 4: happily send your kids Jason Williams basketball.

1254
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely don't come back with the fundamentals. Come back with

1255
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 3: the flair. That's what you want, you know. So when

1256
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 3: they're playing with the kids in the street. Actually, my

1257
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 3: boys do work on their you know, fancy stuff that's

1258
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 3: trying to get the fundamentals down. But Sebastian likes to

1259
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 3: go under his legs and behind his back, and Oscar's

1260
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 3: legs not quite big enough there for the ball, so

1261
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 3: he has to sort of do more a step.

1262
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 4: Over you're playing with a normal sized ball or.

1263
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sebastian plays with it, so then Oscar wants to

1264
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 3: play with it because that's what big brother's doing. But

1265
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 3: he does more than Chris Paul like step over, step over.

1266
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: Rather than step through, step through the wood.

1267
00:55:51,920 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, hanging on there, All right, great stuff.

1268
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 4: I didn't seen that clip.

1269
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 3: That was making the rounds.

1270
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 4: I assume on Saturday.

1271
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 3: I think it came out sorry, perfect, awesome.

1272
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 4: All right, well, let's call it there here for today's program,

1273
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 4: we got a fun one tomorrow. John Hollinger is going

1274
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 4: to jump on the horn with us and talk about

1275
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 4: the NBA Draft because we know very little about it.

1276
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 4: He's the expert. I know, he just launched his like,

1277
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 4: what was it, top seventy five draft list board, So

1278
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 4: we'll get into that and ask him about who's going

1279
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 4: where and who's trading and all of that good stuff.

1280
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 4: That's tomorrow, live here from the Classic Factory at ten

1281
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 4: am Eastern. John Hollinger joining us to talk about the draft.

1282
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 4: We'll have a couple of days off, but I have

1283
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 4: I believe we have plans for a post draft show

1284
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 4: on Friday, so absolutely constall and look we are I

1285
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 4: hate to say it, no JD. You won't to want

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Speaker 4: I mean, we can talk about that a little bit

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Speaker 4: tomorrow with Hollander, But is Kyrie going to be on

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Speaker 4: All right, fun show, guys. We will see you tomorrow

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Speaker 4: with John Hollingder until Dan Clipper Bros.

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Speaker 2: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up,

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Speaker 2: Love you guys, awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. And remember definitely the thing I'll

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Speaker 1: remember from the twenty twenty two NBA Finals Steph going

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Speaker 1: for forty three in Game four, but he did close

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Speaker 1: it out with thirty four as well, and he opened

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Speaker 1: the series with thirty four as well, So an easy

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Speaker 1: way to remember you just flipped forty three, opened and

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Speaker 1: close with thirty four. Little mnemonic device there, that's really fun,

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Speaker 1: really fun. I love mnemonic device

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Speaker 4: And basically they people