Speaker 1: God Area, Garrison takeover. I asked for some grunting that
Speaker 1: was like a word what okay, what it was? I
Speaker 1: know lots of they could have been here And openings
Speaker 1: have become Bastard's openings now just kind of opening. Robert
Speaker 1: doesn't have more than one type of opening. There's two.
Speaker 1: There's there's grunting and then yelling something weird that is
Speaker 1: that's basically the same learning how to do your job
Speaker 1: is cuk shit. Also, to be honest, most of the
Speaker 1: time doesn't know which podcast he's doing. What is this
Speaker 1: are we doing? Is this the daily sidegeist? Is this
Speaker 1: is my Jack O'Brien, this is this is it could
Speaker 1: happen here. So we're talking today about the different things
Speaker 1: that are it here being the States this time. Um,
Speaker 1: but we're talking about basically, over the course of the
Speaker 1: past few months, we have covered a few different topics
Speaker 1: on the show. UM, some of which have already kind
Speaker 1: of had some results of had updates to what we've
Speaker 1: already covered. So we're I'm gonna I'm gonna go through
Speaker 1: a list of like a three different things that we've
Speaker 1: covered and talk about kind of the updates in these stories. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, most of what we've covered around these topics
Speaker 1: have been like a mix of original reporting and interviews.
Speaker 1: So now there's been further further work down on this
Speaker 1: and this, we're not kind of update people. If you know,
Speaker 1: they're not as terminally online as us, maybe they have
Speaker 1: not heard that there's been changes to these stories. And
Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of put together a nice little
Speaker 1: concise thing talking about updates to all the things we've covered.
Speaker 1: Um So, the first thing that we're gonna be talking
Speaker 1: a bit about is the Cops City in Atlanta, and
Speaker 1: they defend the Atlanta Forest Collision. So I think like
Speaker 1: a day after our episode dropped on that, um, Atlantic
Speaker 1: City Council voted uh ten to or in favor of
Speaker 1: getting the militarized police training facility greenlit Um nicknamed Cops City.
Speaker 1: There was seventeen hours of public testimony. We're seven of
Speaker 1: the callers bilk out against the facility. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that we had that happen in Portland. It doesn't Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it never matters. It doesn't matter what the vast majority,
Speaker 1: especially when there's especially when this money involved. Yeah, do
Speaker 1: not do not ever be deceived into thinking that you
Speaker 1: live in a democracy and that what you actually want
Speaker 1: to matter is in any way, shape or form, this
Speaker 1: is just not this is empirically not true. Like like
Speaker 1: sixty five percent of Texans periods support vaccine mandates in
Speaker 1: some instances, but the governor just made it illegal to
Speaker 1: do them ever. Um, Like it's it's it's that way
Speaker 1: across the board, across the nation. Um. People ask sometimes
Speaker 1: because like you know, when you get into anarchists discussions
Speaker 1: of politics, there's a lot of criticism of democracy. I
Speaker 1: don't I think democracy is a lovely idea. I would
Speaker 1: like to try it something. It would be nice to
Speaker 1: get it ago. It would be nice to experience. So yeah,
Speaker 1: this city council voted to least the acres of city
Speaker 1: owned forest land to the Atlanta Police Foundation, UM, at
Speaker 1: least eighty five acres of which is going to be
Speaker 1: slated to become the police training facility. UM. The facility
Speaker 1: is going to cost around ninety million dollars. Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: I could train cops much cheaper than that, although training
Speaker 1: is the wrong word. Yeah, that is the wrong word
Speaker 1: for that. UM. So yeah, not nine million dollars. It's
Speaker 1: gonna include, it's gonna include a state of the art,
Speaker 1: explosive testing facility, firing ranges, emergency vehicle operations course, a
Speaker 1: classroom space UM, and an emergency and an emergency per space.
Speaker 1: It'll probably learned to read, right. I'm sure it's for
Speaker 1: teaching people to do bad things. UM. There's going to
Speaker 1: be an emergency helicopter pad and an entire like mock town.
Speaker 1: It is good that they have the emergency helicopter pad
Speaker 1: because cops shoot each other with live ammunition all the time,
Speaker 1: and that that does happen. It does happen a lot.
Speaker 1: So Yeah. The main backer for this project, UM is
Speaker 1: the Atlanted Police Foundation, which is a political advocacy group
Speaker 1: that you know, has a lot of funding from corporations
Speaker 1: and they try to you know, sway the political power
Speaker 1: of the city into giving more power to the police. UM.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. So the the interesting thing about this though,
Speaker 1: is like the vote was supposed to happen in August, UM,
Speaker 1: but it was rescheduled for early September after there was
Speaker 1: a lot of public backlash around this proposal. UM. Then
Speaker 1: the vote that was supposed to happen on like thet
Speaker 1: got pushed back a whole day because there was too
Speaker 1: many callers saying that they didn't want the facility. So
Speaker 1: the vote got pushed back a day in September, but
Speaker 1: it stays still voted for it. Yeah, so thirty million
Speaker 1: dollars is going to be footed by taxpayers and the
Speaker 1: other sixty million is going to get paid for by
Speaker 1: the Police Foundation, which has a lot of different like
Speaker 1: corporate donors. So that's that's that's that's that um. And
Speaker 1: of course it's on you know, on this forest land,
Speaker 1: which is like some of the you know, biggest forest
Speaker 1: land in any major American city. So you know, they're
Speaker 1: tearing down all this four to build this concrete city
Speaker 1: to train cops in. We Wel also mentioned that at
Speaker 1: the end of her interview with some of the people
Speaker 1: resisting this, they basically said, like, if the vote goes through,
Speaker 1: resists is going to continue, so we will continue. There's
Speaker 1: probably gonna be efforts to like actually try to physically
Speaker 1: prevent the construction of this, But the next thing we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about is stop line three, um, which
Speaker 1: mean there was also you know, physical efforts to prevent that,
Speaker 1: but the type of efforts that people usually do in
Speaker 1: you know, modern green activism usually are a lot more
Speaker 1: performative or they're specifically to pressure to create scenes that
Speaker 1: will try to convince politicians to veto the process. So
Speaker 1: it's not you know, it's it's it's different from the
Speaker 1: nineties when it was easier to like actually physically stop
Speaker 1: the prevention of things. Now a lot of the people
Speaker 1: who you know are trying to do this, it is
Speaker 1: they're not convinced that, you know, doing a lock box
Speaker 1: is going to actually physically prevent it. What it's gonna
Speaker 1: do is create media coverage that truck that is going
Speaker 1: to hopefully convince politicians to be like, hey, maybe we
Speaker 1: shouldn't do this, And that's a hard bargain, right, That's
Speaker 1: not there's no saying that that's actually going to do
Speaker 1: the thing. You know, in the in the case of
Speaker 1: stop Line three that did not stop Line three. Um.
Speaker 1: There was a really good uh um critique of the
Speaker 1: stop Line three protests posted in It's going down by
Speaker 1: an Indigenous anarchist who lives on that land who was
Speaker 1: like younger um, and they're you know, watching all of
Speaker 1: these you know, older indigenous anarchists, you know, keep on
Speaker 1: getting arrested and brutalized, like, but we're not actually doing anything,
Speaker 1: and the methods that we're doing that, the methods that
Speaker 1: we're trying to, like, you know, gain public support. This
Speaker 1: isn't working in a specific context. Maybe we should reevaluate
Speaker 1: what we're actually doing. I know it's going down faced
Speaker 1: a bit of backlash for posting that critique, but I
Speaker 1: think that I think the critique is actually worth reading.
Speaker 1: Any any other thoughts on the Atlanta thing before I
Speaker 1: move on to the stop line three stuff? Um, No,
Speaker 1: no other than to note that I think the best
Speaker 1: brisket I've ever had came from Atlanta. Okay, well, I'll
Speaker 1: probably I'll probably visit in Atlanta in the near future,
Speaker 1: maybe there with you, um, in which case I'll get
Speaker 1: some more motherfucking brisket. Yeah. It was actually the fun story.
Speaker 1: We were road tripping through town, me and another friend
Speaker 1: in another car, and we were talking over radios and
Speaker 1: a trucker got on like the channel we were on
Speaker 1: because we were talking about where to get barbecue, and
Speaker 1: he told us where to go. Um. It was neat.
Speaker 1: It was like an actual nice like like moment of
Speaker 1: CB radio connection. Like this guy was just scanning the
Speaker 1: waves and found us, and I was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: can tell you where to go anyway, continue garrison. That
Speaker 1: was completely unrelated to stopping Line three. So the next
Speaker 1: thing is earlier, I think in September maybe August. I forget,
Speaker 1: it's been a while. We we we posted two episodes
Speaker 1: about me visiting the top Line three protests and the
Speaker 1: Earth First camp, and a lot of stuff has happened
Speaker 1: since then. Um So you know, the main you know
Speaker 1: thing is that the pipe Planet has been finished now
Speaker 1: um and is basically getting is ready to be operated,
Speaker 1: or it probably already has some operation. It's unclear how
Speaker 1: much is being used right now, but it is done construction.
Speaker 1: It doubles the capacity of the original pipeline. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be doing like a seven hundred and sixty thousand barrels
Speaker 1: of oil a day. So in the e carves outland
Speaker 1: through through wet lands where people grow wild rice and
Speaker 1: do hunting. Um. So, overall the past few months police
Speaker 1: arrested over nine hundred people, and it's there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of like felony charges specifically for locking down, which
Speaker 1: is pretty new because they're using felony theft charges for
Speaker 1: people just locking down to equipment. Yeah, that is an
Speaker 1: unfortunate escalation. Yeah. Um, so by the time we posted
Speaker 1: our top line three episodes, we kind of already figured
Speaker 1: this was going to be the result that That's kind
Speaker 1: of how he ended the episode saying, there's been all
Speaker 1: this resistance, but probably it's going to get built, and
Speaker 1: you know, there's other things that we can learn from
Speaker 1: this movement going on into the future. Um. But the
Speaker 1: new developments that have happened. Um. I I did mention
Speaker 1: in the episodes how much Enbridge was directly paying cops.
Speaker 1: That was something we already knew what was happening, but
Speaker 1: there was an article by The Guardian that really gave
Speaker 1: a lot of new information around how much police involvement
Speaker 1: there is with like with Enbridge, Like they are actually
Speaker 1: coordinating a lot. So overall, uh, Enbridge has reimbursed US
Speaker 1: police almost two and a half million dollars for arresting
Speaker 1: and surveying protesters. UM also paying for like food, lodging gas,
Speaker 1: So like it's they're not not just not not not
Speaker 1: just paying wages, they're paying like for extra stuff as well.
Speaker 1: So at least at least two and a half million
Speaker 1: dollars that's been paid from the Canadian oil company. Um,
Speaker 1: you know including that includes officer officer training, UH, police
Speaker 1: patrol routes, surveillance, all this kind of stuff. UM. The
Speaker 1: one one interesting thing that was noted in the article
Speaker 1: is that the company at Enbridge meets daily with police
Speaker 1: officers to discuss intelligence gathering and patrols UM. And when
Speaker 1: and when Enbridge wants protesters removed, it directly calls or
Speaker 1: sends letters to police, so they they actually like coordinate
Speaker 1: when to actually get police involved during protests, and they
Speaker 1: have at least daily information meetings. The one other interesting
Speaker 1: thing besides just directly paying them for food, for you know, training,
Speaker 1: equipment and the coordination between en Bridge and people being
Speaker 1: on the ground, is um, how much that the Enbridge
Speaker 1: paid for uh like proactive safety patrols and specific like
Speaker 1: specific officer surveillance following alleged activists like home. So they
Speaker 1: would like trail specific cars for a long time and
Speaker 1: try to like do like in person surveillance on specific
Speaker 1: people they thought were activists. And all of this time
Speaker 1: was paid for by Enbridge and was being coordinated with Enbridge.
Speaker 1: So it's not just you know, paying for training, it's
Speaker 1: not just for paying for equipment. It's specific surveillance of
Speaker 1: certain people, and that is I don't know, that's something
Speaker 1: that we weren't We did not really know the depths
Speaker 1: of that for sure, but it's pretty it's pretty messed up.
Speaker 1: I know. We we suspected some of this coordination before,
Speaker 1: Like when we talked about police showing up to the
Speaker 1: Stop Line three camp and blocking off access to the road.
Speaker 1: This was at the same day that drilling under the
Speaker 1: river was just being finished, and we so we suspected like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like embridges obviously talking with police to prevent people
Speaker 1: from leaving so that they can they can finish up
Speaker 1: this specific drilling project that was that was pretty obvious
Speaker 1: to us at the scene. Um. And now we have,
Speaker 1: you know, extra confirmation that yeah, they do like meet
Speaker 1: daily to coordinate these types of things. Um. So it's
Speaker 1: good to have that extrame confirmation of the stuff we
Speaker 1: already like suspected and stuff we already kind of like
Speaker 1: put together through experience. But now we have like you know,
Speaker 1: court documents and records showing the extent of the coordination.
Speaker 1: All right, well we'll talk about terrorism, but you know
Speaker 1: who else is a terrorist? Oh boy? The products and
Speaker 1: services that support this podcast are all right in a
Speaker 1: good way, you know, like um, you know, like uh
Speaker 1: like uh kind of alright, well, it's it's complicated, all right,
Speaker 1: do ads just run ads stuff? Oh so if it
Speaker 1: will probably funnier if you bleep out the name of
Speaker 1: the terrorist organization. This is how we this is how
Speaker 1: we pick up from the ad brancast you say that. So, um, Garrison,
Speaker 1: we got some some critiques that came in to the
Speaker 1: old news line, by which I mean people deemed me
Speaker 1: on redditch. Yeah. I never respond, Um, I almost never respond.
Speaker 1: It's nothing against people. I just don't like being communicated with. Um,
Speaker 1: but too many people, too many people ask me to
Speaker 1: send messages to you and like, yeah, you're not I'm
Speaker 1: not Like that's not welcome to the last three years
Speaker 1: of my life. Uh yeah, anyway, Yeah, I mean, but
Speaker 1: that's funny, Sophie. Ah, you can say. Um, there were
Speaker 1: people who were like, hey, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: know this, but Earth First has a problematic history with
Speaker 1: like eco fascism and that sort of stuff. Just like
Speaker 1: that too. Yeah, and it's it's one of those things.
Speaker 1: They definitely are an organization that has said things in
Speaker 1: the past that I don't agree with. There's been specific
Speaker 1: people who do organizing with them that don't have great
Speaker 1: beliefs specifically around like you know, a lot of like
Speaker 1: in the old Green movements has been you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of like transphobia, some like racism. Um. It's it's
Speaker 1: not because they're the green movements. Like all left spaces
Speaker 1: deal with versions of variety stuff, you know, not like
Speaker 1: respecting like indigenous people. Um. You know that that's been,
Speaker 1: that's been a thing. Um. But the specific term eco fascism,
Speaker 1: I believe is incorrect um because they don't advocate for
Speaker 1: the genocide of a specific group. Um. And they don't
Speaker 1: have like far right populist policies. So like, you can
Speaker 1: have bad opinions and bad ideas and you can actually
Speaker 1: be racist without actually being fascist, especially eco fascist. UM.
Speaker 1: So I feel like people throw that word around a
Speaker 1: lot and they don't actually know what it means. Um.
Speaker 1: But what were you specifically referring to, Robert Um. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to find the message here. But because I got
Speaker 1: a message saying that Earth First is bad because they're
Speaker 1: anti natalists, that means they're fascist, which isn't I defin't
Speaker 1: really got that, yeah, which isn't actually like, I'm just
Speaker 1: going to disagree with that actus. I don't think anti
Speaker 1: natalism quits fascism, especially antien natalism. For like, antien natalism
Speaker 1: is basically saying, don't don't make people, maybe we should,
Speaker 1: maybe we should stop having more kids right now because
Speaker 1: you have a lot of problems to deal with, and
Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't be having like, you know, three kids,
Speaker 1: which is not it's not a take. I'm not an
Speaker 1: anti natalist. I don't actually disagree with that take though,
Speaker 1: but I think it's more in the line of, like,
Speaker 1: the most fundamental of all human desires for the majority
Speaker 1: of the population is to make more people, which is
Speaker 1: kind of I like anti natalism because it has that
Speaker 1: thing that's opposite to one of a lot of humans
Speaker 1: natural reaction, and like, no one's forcing anti natalists don't
Speaker 1: want to force you to be anti natalist. Bring up
Speaker 1: this as an idea, Yeah, And I think it's a
Speaker 1: valuable idea to discuss. And I don't think it's I
Speaker 1: don't think you're I don't think you're embracing like the
Speaker 1: massacre of human beings or genesis way by saying like,
Speaker 1: I think it'd be best if we didn't make anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm not planning a arguable point. I'm not planning to
Speaker 1: have any kids because I don't see why it, especially
Speaker 1: when there's so many like children that can be adopted,
Speaker 1: and we talked about you having kids so we could
Speaker 1: experiment with making them blue. This is a separate conversation
Speaker 1: that we're not talking about involving. We are not talking
Speaker 1: about this on the pot. We'll just include that tantalizing hint.
Speaker 1: I also just think in general, when we talk about
Speaker 1: a group that's had a long history and a specific
Speaker 1: thing they're doing in the present, Yeah, this has happened
Speaker 1: in other situation where people like, well, you know, they
Speaker 1: did this or some one of them said this. And
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things I feel about that. For
Speaker 1: one thing, it's it's like it's entirely possible that the
Speaker 1: people doing the thing in the present day have nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the people twenty years ago. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: most of the the people out there first gathering gathering were
Speaker 1: like in their twenties and around my age, Like they
Speaker 1: weren't in the they weren't in earth first night. Like
Speaker 1: that's not like so I feel like silly about kind
Speaker 1: of making them be held accountable for something somebody else
Speaker 1: said under a similar decades ago. And on the podcast,
Speaker 1: I talked about how like people on the Earth First
Speaker 1: earth First Gathering like talked about this stuff like that.
Speaker 1: People talked about earth First like history and how they
Speaker 1: haven't handled some issues very well. There was a lot
Speaker 1: there was a massive effort for this gathering to like
Speaker 1: um to like uplift and make sure everyone focuses on
Speaker 1: indigenous voices, like they invited over multiple indigenous groups to
Speaker 1: give talks on green resistance and like land back like that.
Speaker 1: That was a big focus of like making sure that
Speaker 1: this actually is something that has hurt because people know,
Speaker 1: like this is, yeah, this is something important, this is
Speaker 1: something that actually should be done. And there are I
Speaker 1: think in general, and we talk about like holding organizations
Speaker 1: and individuals accountable for their past. Um what matters is
Speaker 1: like a mix of what they did and what they're doing.
Speaker 1: So obviously, if Earth First had been saying twenty years ago,
Speaker 1: we need to wipe out all the Jews, I would
Speaker 1: be like I wouldn't care what they were saying. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, it would be like, yeah, you can't really
Speaker 1: come back from that. If you want to do a
Speaker 1: completely different thing. It needs to be a new organization, don't.
Speaker 1: But they weren't. And I'm not saying that where I'm
Speaker 1: just making an example, but like, as a rule, I
Speaker 1: think we should embrace the fact that organizations and people
Speaker 1: can change throughout time and be better than they were
Speaker 1: in the past. Um and and learn from mistakes and flaws.
Speaker 1: And I feel pretty unwilling to condemn individuals or organizations
Speaker 1: for the mistakes of their past, although that is dependent
Speaker 1: upon the kind of mistake and the harm that it cost. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like and how they address it in the few churks,
Speaker 1: like a lot of these Yeah, because like it wasn't
Speaker 1: like First as an overall organization of specific people they
Speaker 1: were affiliated with, like you know specifically UM like UM.
Speaker 1: Edward Abbey has said some not great things around different
Speaker 1: different different social issues, and his books were extremely influential
Speaker 1: on the beginning of green resistance. But that's something people
Speaker 1: talk about now, Like that's something that is like discussed
Speaker 1: and debated. UM. And he was and he was like
Speaker 1: even in the eighties and nineties, he was like kicked
Speaker 1: out of Earth First gatherings for kind of being a loser,
Speaker 1: like for for having these bad views were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we probably shouldn't have you here anymore or leave go away,
Speaker 1: So like that was something that was even talked about
Speaker 1: back like back then as well, that is that isn't
Speaker 1: just a modern thing. Yeah, And I think in general,
Speaker 1: number there's a couple of things. Number One, whenever we
Speaker 1: talk about like an organization in a specific context they're
Speaker 1: doing this, that doesn't mean we're embracing everything they've done.
Speaker 1: And number two, whenever we talk about the history of
Speaker 1: of of of a movement or a group, I hope
Speaker 1: nobody ever takes that as like here is the authoritative
Speaker 1: stance on the history of this thing. Like it's when
Speaker 1: we talked about the Black Panthers. There's a bunch of
Speaker 1: stuff we left out that's very important. Um My hope
Speaker 1: with those episodes, and I hope with anything we do,
Speaker 1: is that it like inspires people to want to learn
Speaker 1: more and read more, and we're giving them a basis
Speaker 1: of understanding that they can use to expand their knowledge
Speaker 1: on an important topic. So please, we are we are.
Speaker 1: There's like one thing, uh collectively that that Garrison and
Speaker 1: I have any kind of expertise on, and uh, outside
Speaker 1: of that, you should not take anything we say as like,
Speaker 1: here's the comprehensive history of of this, because it's I
Speaker 1: I understand one thing, and it's it's how the internet
Speaker 1: makes people shitty. Yeah, so yeah, um yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that that was something that this whole thing was something
Speaker 1: I thought about when writing these episodes is how much
Speaker 1: to include of this stuff? And I did not feel
Speaker 1: like it was super important to discuss this stuff because
Speaker 1: it wasn't relevant to the topic of stop lines. I
Speaker 1: think you didn't relevant to the topic of like the
Speaker 1: current ongoing green ris systems. If we want to do
Speaker 1: like a history of green activism, then yes, this is
Speaker 1: something that that would be that. And I think like
Speaker 1: at some point we probably should do absolutely about just
Speaker 1: like Mirror and like all of that ship. But like that,
Speaker 1: there's a kind of stuff we want to talk about
Speaker 1: that we haven't yet because it's a daily show and
Speaker 1: my God, give us some fucking time. People. Speaking of
Speaker 1: Edward Abbey, you know what sells quality monkey wrenches? Okay, alright,
Speaker 1: that's fine. The maybe one of our sponsors. It's I
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Speaker 1: to the rest of the show. Well we're back. We
Speaker 1: just had a discussion about what we're gonna talk about,
Speaker 1: and we realized that it wasn't after the ad break,
Speaker 1: So here we are. Um. In in early September, we
Speaker 1: had an episodes about both California's climate and the ongoing
Speaker 1: recall election against Gavin Newsom. So a few days after
Speaker 1: our episodes dropped, the things like the day the day
Speaker 1: the second one dropped was was election day? Um we
Speaker 1: we we got the results in faster than what I
Speaker 1: was expecting. Um and uh Newsome did handily beat uh
Speaker 1: Larry Elder with like yeah so people people voted sixty
Speaker 1: one no and like yes, uh so he Knewsome did
Speaker 1: a decent job and pushing off Elder. Um. So this this,
Speaker 1: this whole recall processed costed California taxpayers two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy six million dollars. It's not like we needed the
Speaker 1: money for anything else. Garrison, Come on, yeah, so you
Speaker 1: know a few takeaways. We're going to spend it on
Speaker 1: fers literally anything else, water giving California needs water and firefighters,
Speaker 1: Garrison coming giving houses to people who need houses. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Um. Yeah, So takeaways from this The recall
Speaker 1: process still should absolutely be invented. Yeah, it shouldn't require
Speaker 1: should require more than twelve signatures at the last voter
Speaker 1: turnout um. And the government should be requiring to get
Speaker 1: to if you're if you're gonna be elected in the government,
Speaker 1: you should be required to get a majority of votes. Um.
Speaker 1: Not not not just a plurality of a specific you
Speaker 1: know sect. So there's the whole we we we talked
Speaker 1: about the specific reasons why it was bad in those episodes.
Speaker 1: Those are still those are still like, those are still valid,
Speaker 1: those are still relevant because there's still the same issues. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And none of the fact that this turned out well
Speaker 1: had anything to do with the Democratic Party who very
Speaker 1: nearly bungled it. And it and it doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 1: really impact. It doesn't impact, you know, the California's climate
Speaker 1: issues so much. And like just because new Sims in
Speaker 1: office doesn't mean they're going to get much better. You know,
Speaker 1: there's still things that he needs to be pushed on
Speaker 1: to to you know, make the climate a little bit
Speaker 1: more habitable. In the meantime, it it means that we
Speaker 1: will continue stumbling towards a cliff rather than speak so
Speaker 1: generally what voting for Democrats means. Yeah, I will say,
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me that it doesn't seem like you
Speaker 1: can get the vote was rigged thing to work unless
Speaker 1: the election is like kind of this is the next
Speaker 1: thing I was going to talk about. Um. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: because like in the week before the election, the Fox
Speaker 1: News Republican Party and Larry Elder and even Trump, we're
Speaker 1: really starting to ramp up this idea that if Elder loses,
Speaker 1: that means the election was rigged. Uh. This was like
Speaker 1: they were really pushing this hard and you know, spreading it,
Speaker 1: like they were giving links to a website like before
Speaker 1: he lost, even be like if you know, when I lose,
Speaker 1: use this website. It was like, Okay, that's that's weird. Um.
Speaker 1: But on the night of the election, Elder seems to
Speaker 1: kind of claim climb down from the inflammatory like rhetoric
Speaker 1: around the election. In his concession speech, he told supporters,
Speaker 1: let's be gracious and defeat um. So he once the
Speaker 1: actual results were in, he really climbed that down, so
Speaker 1: we can read into that. The other thing I want
Speaker 1: us to read into here is that could this could
Speaker 1: this rhetoric around if we lose that means it was rigged.
Speaker 1: Could that disenfranchise Republican voters from even showing up if
Speaker 1: they believe that all elections will be stolen from them,
Speaker 1: well that being that they'll be less Republican turn out
Speaker 1: if there's just if they think that it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: So that's the other side of things, Like I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if if if the other side effects that this
Speaker 1: that this rhetoric could have. Yeah, there's an interesting So
Speaker 1: during during the last election like national election cycle, there
Speaker 1: is a bunch of me to use people who weren't
Speaker 1: voting in Florida, And I thought it was really interesting
Speaker 1: because there were there were several people they talked to
Speaker 1: who were like, yeah, I don't vote because last time
Speaker 1: I voted was two thousand and they stole the election,
Speaker 1: which was literally which which yeah, and and you know
Speaker 1: I'd say that, yeah, like I think it is slightly
Speaker 1: different when like two thousands actually like like literally but
Speaker 1: there was there was the bricks like there there there
Speaker 1: Roger Stone, Yeah, Roger Stone led a riot to stop
Speaker 1: like the votes from being counted, like whatever, weird Bush.
Speaker 1: I think people people got like like a bunch of
Speaker 1: people with like vaguely black names got like their names
Speaker 1: struck off the like the voting roles. Like there was
Speaker 1: a lot of yeah, but yeah, And I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know if it'll if it if the effect can
Speaker 1: work that strongly when it's like completely bullshit, which was
Speaker 1: I think it's yeah, interesting, I don't know. It's it's
Speaker 1: hard to say because it's it's it's unclear whether the
Speaker 1: voter turnout on the because like you know, there were
Speaker 1: times where they were pulling like fifty fifty between between
Speaker 1: between Newsom and Elder, and it's unclear. I think jen
Speaker 1: definitely the big advertising push that corporate donors gave to
Speaker 1: Newsom in the month before the election did help get
Speaker 1: Democratic voter turnout, you know, like people voting for new
Speaker 1: getting people scared about govern that not was not ineffective,
Speaker 1: that that very much works. That did increase turn out there,
Speaker 1: But I don't know because like with the whole election
Speaker 1: being stolen rhetoric that could both increase Republican voter turnout.
Speaker 1: And there's also the side effect now where maybe it
Speaker 1: could decrease it because they're just disenfranchised about this concept.
Speaker 1: But this is kind of just speculation at this point.
Speaker 1: I don't have actual data backing up this claim right now.
Speaker 1: This is just something that I thought about while running
Speaker 1: this right up, I'm like, huh, I wonder if this
Speaker 1: could be a contributing factor in the future. People really
Speaker 1: I feel like they're always gonna lose. Maybe they just
Speaker 1: not not even are going to bother um. But it's
Speaker 1: hard to say. It's like, you know, the main reason
Speaker 1: why Elder lost wasn't due to newsome strength. That was
Speaker 1: because Elder is like, it's completely like he It was
Speaker 1: like because the most qualified Yeah, well like widely unqualified
Speaker 1: and like one of the more extreme candidates like running.
Speaker 1: And yes he did get a lot of support among Republicans,
Speaker 1: but among moderates and people you know, left of center
Speaker 1: in terms of like an American spectrum, Uh, they're like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: this is going to be a disaster if if he
Speaker 1: gets elected. And that's the main reason why he didn't. Um,
Speaker 1: it's not due to Newsom being great, But I mean,
Speaker 1: Sophie did mention a few things that Newsom has done
Speaker 1: since then, Um so we do do do? Do you
Speaker 1: want to say the specific details just so I don't
Speaker 1: have to look famously a big Newsome fans So yeah,
Speaker 1: not come on, uh so not to give news some
Speaker 1: credit because this is like an obvious right thing to
Speaker 1: do situation. But um at the beginning of October, the
Speaker 1: Senate Bill seven was signed into law. It was an
Speaker 1: unanimous vote and Newsom signed off on it to give
Speaker 1: back Bruce's Speach, which was owned by a black family,
Speaker 1: Willa and Charles Bruce, back in their land was illegally
Speaker 1: taken away from them. It's a beach front plot in
Speaker 1: Manhattan Beach. And I signed into a lot of give
Speaker 1: it back. That is good, I mean yeah, yeah, more
Speaker 1: of that should be done. I mean that is kind
Speaker 1: of the basis of like, you know, that is one
Speaker 1: side of land back, is just giving land back to
Speaker 1: people who used to have it. Yeah, of course this
Speaker 1: is this isn't tied to like indigenous stuff, but you know,
Speaker 1: I've seen people make that same comparison for like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we should just be doing this more in general to
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah, that's a I'm glad
Speaker 1: that that was done. It's also now illegal to remove
Speaker 1: a condom without consett in California, which is wait, what,
Speaker 1: You're going to have to change a lot of things
Speaker 1: about how you have sex with Californians. Yeah, during intercourse,
Speaker 1: that's the it's the first state to do that, first
Speaker 1: of all. Huh, Yeah, it's wild because under any reasonable definition,
Speaker 1: that rape. Yeah, yeah, it's just rap. Yeah, it's absolutely rape.
Speaker 1: California also now requires menstrual products in public schools, so
Speaker 1: that's a bare minimum. And that I didn't realize that
Speaker 1: it happened yea. And I want to be clear here,
Speaker 1: I'm not giving you some credit for this, but if
Speaker 1: he had lost the recall ellection, none of this would
Speaker 1: be happening. No, it's nice that he I'm sure some
Speaker 1: of this was him kind of providing a sop to
Speaker 1: the people who lined up to stop the recall. And
Speaker 1: those are good things that were done. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think I think that's sort of an important thing to
Speaker 1: understand about when politicians occasionally do good things. It's like
Speaker 1: they don't do good things because they want to do them.
Speaker 1: They they do things that benefit from you because they're
Speaker 1: either in some way scared of you, or it's because
Speaker 1: they need to buy they buy you off, and and
Speaker 1: that that is you know, that is that is a
Speaker 1: legitimate way that good things happen. I've got a couple
Speaker 1: other Uh, there's been a lot signed in recently, So
Speaker 1: I got a couple of other ones that I that
Speaker 1: I think are relevant to our show. California will not
Speaker 1: streamline extend assisted death law. So that's that's good. That
Speaker 1: reduces the time until terminal patients can choose to be
Speaker 1: given fatal drugs. So starting January one, the waiting period
Speaker 1: required time a patient makes separate oral request for medication
Speaker 1: would dropped to forty down from the current minimum fifteen days.
Speaker 1: That is that is good, pretty rad Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there's just there's there's a I mean, we'll see if
Speaker 1: it's it's hard, a lot, there's a lot it's it's hard,
Speaker 1: it's hard to be like worse than Larry Elder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my that this one definitely would not get through
Speaker 1: for California. California Acts a lot of strip badges from
Speaker 1: bad officers, like very vaguely written, is very vague. But yeah,
Speaker 1: well we'll see what happens to Like, No, none of
Speaker 1: that stuff would have happened under a thing I am
Speaker 1: so prized at, like some of those things actually got
Speaker 1: through because I'm I'm surprised that democratic politicians would actually
Speaker 1: vote for those things we put office. That's why I
Speaker 1: was like, basically like the condom thing, Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I was not expecting that to go through some
Speaker 1: science legislation to extend to go cocktails. Wait, all right,
Speaker 1: that's sure, Okay, more where am I to cocktail heads? Sorry? Alright,
Speaker 1: So at least Larry Al there's not in office. There's
Speaker 1: still a lot of climate issues and maybe this rhetoric
Speaker 1: around stealing the elections not gonna work every single time
Speaker 1: they do it. Um, that's kind of the main that's
Speaker 1: the main things that I was going to talk about,
Speaker 1: and it is it is. I mean, one of the
Speaker 1: things that people are talking about in a lot of
Speaker 1: the spaces I generally agree with is like the foolishness
Speaker 1: of voting is harm reduction. And there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of if you want to believe that it isn't, there's
Speaker 1: been a lot of information coming up from the Biden
Speaker 1: administration that will support that belief. Um, But what we're
Speaker 1: saying right now in California's group that can be like
Speaker 1: the these are not none of this is going to
Speaker 1: fundamentally change the major problems that are confronting us. But
Speaker 1: but a bunch of those things are going to Like
Speaker 1: life's going to be easier for some little girls whose
Speaker 1: families don't have much money. You know, life got easier
Speaker 1: for that one family who got their land back. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, potentially it's going to be easier to get
Speaker 1: bad police officer or to get particularly bad police officers
Speaker 1: off the street. And that's not that's not nothing. Like
Speaker 1: when we say voting can be and I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that it usually is, but when we it can reduce harm,
Speaker 1: that's what it means. It means that, like, oh, some
Speaker 1: bad things that that would be worse are not as
Speaker 1: bad because of this. Not that everything is better. A
Speaker 1: lot of stuff will be the same and is the
Speaker 1: same in California, Like ecologically, nothing fundically fundamentally changed, but
Speaker 1: some ships a little easier for certain groups of people
Speaker 1: as a result of some stuff and specific happen. Specificly,
Speaker 1: I think the getting getting more like contraceptive products and
Speaker 1: menstrual products inside public schools is one of the literally
Speaker 1: the best things we can do, like like for the
Speaker 1: whole country. It is like something that if that was
Speaker 1: required in every public school, that would make so many
Speaker 1: people's lives better. That ridiculous degree significantly reduces harm in
Speaker 1: a specific way. And I think that just because like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's not going to stop us all from
Speaker 1: burning up, um, but that doesn't mean it's not worthwhile.
Speaker 1: So those those are the three stories that I wanted
Speaker 1: to give some updates for. UM, so I know, you know,
Speaker 1: there were changes happened, you know, very soon after posting
Speaker 1: those episodes. UM. I still think the California ones are
Speaker 1: worth listening to because they do lay out a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff around around California's climate, um and the specific
Speaker 1: weird stuff that it has with its specific weird things
Speaker 1: that has with its election process. UM. I think the
Speaker 1: line three episodes are going to be pretty good to
Speaker 1: go back to as well. UM. And then uh, I
Speaker 1: at the specific cop City thing in Atlanta, that is
Speaker 1: the stuff that I am It's gonna be the most
Speaker 1: like ongoing thing stills because that's going to be an
Speaker 1: ongoing project. So I'm sure we'll come back to the
Speaker 1: Cops City at different points throughout the next few months.
Speaker 1: So that that that that that's the updates. UM, any
Speaker 1: any any closing notes from either Christopher, Robert or Sophie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just just I do well excuse me, okay, Sorrightfie, Sorry,
Speaker 1: just I just just remind him. We've said this earlier
Speaker 1: in the episode, that like, we're just giving you brief,
Speaker 1: brief sniff. It's about this stuff. There's a lot there's
Speaker 1: a lot of really good articles online that go go
Speaker 1: deep into these things. And we'll post our sources on
Speaker 1: the website. Yep, yeah, yeah, we we we do. We
Speaker 1: do a good job, I think most of the time. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: but we're great. Yeah, we're we're the only heroes like that.
Speaker 1: That's fair to say. Absolutely, But do you do not
Speaker 1: have a podcast be the only source of information? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Do not. Don't listen to just begging you listen to
Speaker 1: if you think more of a of a left perspective
Speaker 1: that is that that goes in some directions. We don't.
Speaker 1: It's going down. Is a lovely place to check out
Speaker 1: Margaret Killjoy's um uh live like the World is Dying.
Speaker 1: St Andrew's YouTube channel. UM he does some some really
Speaker 1: incredible stuff. Um. You know, there's all sorts of good
Speaker 1: people out there and then also like history books more
Speaker 1: than anything, like history books, history books for the thing
Speaker 1: that radicalized me. Yeah, if you want to read more
Speaker 1: about the new sub notable laws signed recently, the k
Speaker 1: c r A and Sacramento did A did a really
Speaker 1: good breakdown article. Oh sorry, so it's okay. And and
Speaker 1: as a note, we will be doing more episodes like
Speaker 1: this over time, as like stories that we cover have
Speaker 1: additional things happen to them. This is like we don't
Speaker 1: want to just be like dropping a story and then
Speaker 1: ignoring whatever happens next. Um. Sometimes that will following up
Speaker 1: with people that we're talking to him on the ground.
Speaker 1: But you know, we are trying to like keep you
Speaker 1: updated on the things that we think are important, you know,
Speaker 1: even when they end uh in a in a broadly
Speaker 1: positive sense or whatever. And lastly, what was the name
Speaker 1: of that brisket place in Atlantic, because I'm sure people
Speaker 1: are gonna ask about it. Oh, I don't remember. It
Speaker 1: was some shitty little place in the middle of South Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Um and like a fucking strip mall that was really helpful.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. So if it was like eleven years ago,
Speaker 1: what do you I don't remember. The best brisket you've
Speaker 1: ever had, and it was but the best. Like if
Speaker 1: you know anything about good barbecue, the best barbecue you
Speaker 1: ever have is either cooked by like your uncle or
Speaker 1: is cooked in some shitty little place with a dis
Speaker 1: turn that wouldn't pass a code inspection. That is true
Speaker 1: that the more the more codes it violates, the better
Speaker 1: than bisket. Um Anyway, If you see the chef actively
Speaker 1: ship on the grill, that means just going to be incredible.
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