1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: God Area, Garrison takeover. I asked for some grunting that 2 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: was like a word what okay, what it was? I 3 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: know lots of they could have been here And openings 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: have become Bastard's openings now just kind of opening. Robert 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: doesn't have more than one type of opening. There's two. 6 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: There's there's grunting and then yelling something weird that is 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: that's basically the same learning how to do your job 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: is cuk shit. Also, to be honest, most of the 9 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: time doesn't know which podcast he's doing. What is this 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: are we doing? Is this the daily sidegeist? Is this 11 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: is my Jack O'Brien, this is this is it could 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: happen here. So we're talking today about the different things 13 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: that are it here being the States this time. Um, 14 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: but we're talking about basically, over the course of the 15 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: past few months, we have covered a few different topics 16 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: on the show. UM, some of which have already kind 17 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: of had some results of had updates to what we've 18 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: already covered. So we're I'm gonna I'm gonna go through 19 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: a list of like a three different things that we've 20 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: covered and talk about kind of the updates in these stories. Um, 21 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: you know, most of what we've covered around these topics 22 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: have been like a mix of original reporting and interviews. 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: So now there's been further further work down on this 24 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: and this, we're not kind of update people. If you know, 25 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: they're not as terminally online as us, maybe they have 26 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: not heard that there's been changes to these stories. And 27 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of put together a nice little 28 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: concise thing talking about updates to all the things we've covered. 29 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: Um So, the first thing that we're gonna be talking 30 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: a bit about is the Cops City in Atlanta, and 31 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: they defend the Atlanta Forest Collision. So I think like 32 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: a day after our episode dropped on that, um, Atlantic 33 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: City Council voted uh ten to or in favor of 34 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: getting the militarized police training facility greenlit Um nicknamed Cops City. 35 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 1: There was seventeen hours of public testimony. We're seven of 36 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: the callers bilk out against the facility. Yeah, I mean 37 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: that we had that happen in Portland. It doesn't Yeah, yeah, 38 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: it never matters. It doesn't matter what the vast majority, 39 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: especially when there's especially when this money involved. Yeah, do 40 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: not do not ever be deceived into thinking that you 41 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: live in a democracy and that what you actually want 42 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: to matter is in any way, shape or form, this 43 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: is just not this is empirically not true. Like like 44 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: sixty five percent of Texans periods support vaccine mandates in 45 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: some instances, but the governor just made it illegal to 46 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: do them ever. Um, Like it's it's it's that way 47 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: across the board, across the nation. Um. People ask sometimes 48 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: because like you know, when you get into anarchists discussions 49 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 1: of politics, there's a lot of criticism of democracy. I 50 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: don't I think democracy is a lovely idea. I would 51 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: like to try it something. It would be nice to 52 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: get it ago. It would be nice to experience. So yeah, 53 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: this city council voted to least the acres of city 54 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: owned forest land to the Atlanta Police Foundation, UM, at 55 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: least eighty five acres of which is going to be 56 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: slated to become the police training facility. UM. The facility 57 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: is going to cost around ninety million dollars. Jesus Christ, 58 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: I could train cops much cheaper than that, although training 59 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: is the wrong word. Yeah, that is the wrong word 60 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: for that. UM. So yeah, not nine million dollars. It's 61 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: gonna include, it's gonna include a state of the art, 62 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: explosive testing facility, firing ranges, emergency vehicle operations course, a 63 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: classroom space UM, and an emergency and an emergency per space. 64 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: It'll probably learned to read, right. I'm sure it's for 65 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: teaching people to do bad things. UM. There's going to 66 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: be an emergency helicopter pad and an entire like mock town. 67 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: It is good that they have the emergency helicopter pad 68 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: because cops shoot each other with live ammunition all the time, 69 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: and that that does happen. It does happen a lot. 70 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: So Yeah. The main backer for this project, UM is 71 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: the Atlanted Police Foundation, which is a political advocacy group 72 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: that you know, has a lot of funding from corporations 73 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: and they try to you know, sway the political power 74 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: of the city into giving more power to the police. UM. 75 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: Uh huh. So the the interesting thing about this though, 76 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: is like the vote was supposed to happen in August, UM, 77 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: but it was rescheduled for early September after there was 78 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: a lot of public backlash around this proposal. UM. Then 79 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: the vote that was supposed to happen on like thet 80 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: got pushed back a whole day because there was too 81 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: many callers saying that they didn't want the facility. So 82 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: the vote got pushed back a day in September, but 83 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: it stays still voted for it. Yeah, so thirty million 84 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: dollars is going to be footed by taxpayers and the 85 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: other sixty million is going to get paid for by 86 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: the Police Foundation, which has a lot of different like 87 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: corporate donors. So that's that's that's that's that um. And 88 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: of course it's on you know, on this forest land, 89 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: which is like some of the you know, biggest forest 90 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: land in any major American city. So you know, they're 91 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: tearing down all this four to build this concrete city 92 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: to train cops in. We Wel also mentioned that at 93 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: the end of her interview with some of the people 94 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: resisting this, they basically said, like, if the vote goes through, 95 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: resists is going to continue, so we will continue. There's 96 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: probably gonna be efforts to like actually try to physically 97 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: prevent the construction of this, But the next thing we're 98 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: gonna be talking about is stop line three, um, which 99 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: mean there was also you know, physical efforts to prevent that, 100 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: but the type of efforts that people usually do in 101 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: you know, modern green activism usually are a lot more 102 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: performative or they're specifically to pressure to create scenes that 103 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: will try to convince politicians to veto the process. So 104 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: it's not you know, it's it's it's different from the 105 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: nineties when it was easier to like actually physically stop 106 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: the prevention of things. Now a lot of the people 107 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: who you know are trying to do this, it is 108 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: they're not convinced that, you know, doing a lock box 109 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: is going to actually physically prevent it. What it's gonna 110 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: do is create media coverage that truck that is going 111 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: to hopefully convince politicians to be like, hey, maybe we 112 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: shouldn't do this, And that's a hard bargain, right, That's 113 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: not there's no saying that that's actually going to do 114 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: the thing. You know, in the in the case of 115 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: stop Line three that did not stop Line three. Um. 116 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: There was a really good uh um critique of the 117 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: stop Line three protests posted in It's going down by 118 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: an Indigenous anarchist who lives on that land who was 119 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: like younger um, and they're you know, watching all of 120 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: these you know, older indigenous anarchists, you know, keep on 121 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: getting arrested and brutalized, like, but we're not actually doing anything, 122 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: and the methods that we're doing that, the methods that 123 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: we're trying to, like, you know, gain public support. This 124 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: isn't working in a specific context. Maybe we should reevaluate 125 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: what we're actually doing. I know it's going down faced 126 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: a bit of backlash for posting that critique, but I 127 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: think that I think the critique is actually worth reading. 128 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: Any any other thoughts on the Atlanta thing before I 129 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: move on to the stop line three stuff? Um, No, 130 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: no other than to note that I think the best 131 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: brisket I've ever had came from Atlanta. Okay, well, I'll 132 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: probably I'll probably visit in Atlanta in the near future, 133 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: maybe there with you, um, in which case I'll get 134 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: some more motherfucking brisket. Yeah. It was actually the fun story. 135 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: We were road tripping through town, me and another friend 136 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: in another car, and we were talking over radios and 137 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: a trucker got on like the channel we were on 138 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: because we were talking about where to get barbecue, and 139 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: he told us where to go. Um. It was neat. 140 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: It was like an actual nice like like moment of 141 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: CB radio connection. Like this guy was just scanning the 142 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: waves and found us, and I was like, oh, I 143 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: can tell you where to go anyway, continue garrison. That 144 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: was completely unrelated to stopping Line three. So the next 145 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,119 Speaker 1: thing is earlier, I think in September maybe August. I forget, 146 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: it's been a while. We we we posted two episodes 147 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: about me visiting the top Line three protests and the 148 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: Earth First camp, and a lot of stuff has happened 149 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: since then. Um So you know, the main you know 150 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: thing is that the pipe Planet has been finished now 151 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: um and is basically getting is ready to be operated, 152 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: or it probably already has some operation. It's unclear how 153 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: much is being used right now, but it is done construction. 154 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: It doubles the capacity of the original pipeline. It's gonna 155 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: be doing like a seven hundred and sixty thousand barrels 156 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: of oil a day. So in the e carves outland 157 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: through through wet lands where people grow wild rice and 158 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: do hunting. Um. So, overall the past few months police 159 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: arrested over nine hundred people, and it's there's been a 160 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: lot of like felony charges specifically for locking down, which 161 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: is pretty new because they're using felony theft charges for 162 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: people just locking down to equipment. Yeah, that is an 163 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: unfortunate escalation. Yeah. Um, so by the time we posted 164 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: our top line three episodes, we kind of already figured 165 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: this was going to be the result that That's kind 166 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: of how he ended the episode saying, there's been all 167 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: this resistance, but probably it's going to get built, and 168 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: you know, there's other things that we can learn from 169 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: this movement going on into the future. Um. But the 170 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: new developments that have happened. Um. I I did mention 171 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: in the episodes how much Enbridge was directly paying cops. 172 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: That was something we already knew what was happening, but 173 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: there was an article by The Guardian that really gave 174 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: a lot of new information around how much police involvement 175 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: there is with like with Enbridge, Like they are actually 176 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: coordinating a lot. So overall, uh, Enbridge has reimbursed US 177 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: police almost two and a half million dollars for arresting 178 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: and surveying protesters. UM also paying for like food, lodging gas, 179 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: So like it's they're not not just not not not 180 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: just paying wages, they're paying like for extra stuff as well. 181 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: So at least at least two and a half million 182 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: dollars that's been paid from the Canadian oil company. Um, 183 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: you know including that includes officer officer training, UH, police 184 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: patrol routes, surveillance, all this kind of stuff. UM. The 185 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: one one interesting thing that was noted in the article 186 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: is that the company at Enbridge meets daily with police 187 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: officers to discuss intelligence gathering and patrols UM. And when 188 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: and when Enbridge wants protesters removed, it directly calls or 189 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: sends letters to police, so they they actually like coordinate 190 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: when to actually get police involved during protests, and they 191 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: have at least daily information meetings. The one other interesting 192 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: thing besides just directly paying them for food, for you know, training, 193 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: equipment and the coordination between en Bridge and people being 194 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: on the ground, is um, how much that the Enbridge 195 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: paid for uh like proactive safety patrols and specific like 196 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: specific officer surveillance following alleged activists like home. So they 197 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: would like trail specific cars for a long time and 198 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: try to like do like in person surveillance on specific 199 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: people they thought were activists. And all of this time 200 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: was paid for by Enbridge and was being coordinated with Enbridge. 201 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: So it's not just you know, paying for training, it's 202 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: not just for paying for equipment. It's specific surveillance of 203 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: certain people, and that is I don't know, that's something 204 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: that we weren't We did not really know the depths 205 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: of that for sure, but it's pretty it's pretty messed up. 206 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: I know. We we suspected some of this coordination before, 207 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: Like when we talked about police showing up to the 208 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: Stop Line three camp and blocking off access to the road. 209 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: This was at the same day that drilling under the 210 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: river was just being finished, and we so we suspected like, yeah, 211 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: there's like embridges obviously talking with police to prevent people 212 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: from leaving so that they can they can finish up 213 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: this specific drilling project that was that was pretty obvious 214 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: to us at the scene. Um. And now we have, 215 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: you know, extra confirmation that yeah, they do like meet 216 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: daily to coordinate these types of things. Um. So it's 217 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: good to have that extrame confirmation of the stuff we 218 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: already like suspected and stuff we already kind of like 219 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: put together through experience. But now we have like you know, 220 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: court documents and records showing the extent of the coordination. 221 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: All right, well we'll talk about terrorism, but you know 222 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: who else is a terrorist? Oh boy? The products and 223 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: services that support this podcast are all right in a 224 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: good way, you know, like um, you know, like uh 225 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: like uh kind of alright, well, it's it's complicated, all right, 226 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 1: do ads just run ads stuff? Oh so if it 227 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: will probably funnier if you bleep out the name of 228 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: the terrorist organization. This is how we this is how 229 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: we pick up from the ad brancast you say that. So, um, Garrison, 230 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: we got some some critiques that came in to the 231 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: old news line, by which I mean people deemed me 232 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: on redditch. Yeah. I never respond, Um, I almost never respond. 233 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: It's nothing against people. I just don't like being communicated with. Um, 234 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: but too many people, too many people ask me to 235 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: send messages to you and like, yeah, you're not I'm 236 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: not Like that's not welcome to the last three years 237 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: of my life. Uh yeah, anyway, Yeah, I mean, but 238 00:12:53,920 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: that's funny, Sophie. Ah, you can say. Um, there were 239 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: people who were like, hey, I don't know if you 240 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: know this, but Earth First has a problematic history with 241 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: like eco fascism and that sort of stuff. Just like 242 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: that too. Yeah, and it's it's one of those things. 243 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: They definitely are an organization that has said things in 244 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: the past that I don't agree with. There's been specific 245 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: people who do organizing with them that don't have great 246 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: beliefs specifically around like you know, a lot of like 247 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: in the old Green movements has been you know, a 248 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: lot of like transphobia, some like racism. Um. It's it's 249 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: not because they're the green movements. Like all left spaces 250 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: deal with versions of variety stuff, you know, not like 251 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: respecting like indigenous people. Um. You know that that's been, 252 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: that's been a thing. Um. But the specific term eco fascism, 253 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: I believe is incorrect um because they don't advocate for 254 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: the genocide of a specific group. Um. And they don't 255 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: have like far right populist policies. So like, you can 256 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: have bad opinions and bad ideas and you can actually 257 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: be racist without actually being fascist, especially eco fascist. UM. 258 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: So I feel like people throw that word around a 259 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: lot and they don't actually know what it means. Um. 260 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: But what were you specifically referring to, Robert Um. I'm 261 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: trying to find the message here. But because I got 262 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: a message saying that Earth First is bad because they're 263 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: anti natalists, that means they're fascist, which isn't I defin't 264 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: really got that, yeah, which isn't actually like, I'm just 265 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: going to disagree with that actus. I don't think anti 266 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: natalism quits fascism, especially antien natalism. For like, antien natalism 267 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: is basically saying, don't don't make people, maybe we should, 268 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: maybe we should stop having more kids right now because 269 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: you have a lot of problems to deal with, and 270 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't be having like, you know, three kids, 271 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: which is not it's not a take. I'm not an 272 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: anti natalist. I don't actually disagree with that take though, 273 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: but I think it's more in the line of, like, 274 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: the most fundamental of all human desires for the majority 275 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: of the population is to make more people, which is 276 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: kind of I like anti natalism because it has that 277 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: thing that's opposite to one of a lot of humans 278 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: natural reaction, and like, no one's forcing anti natalists don't 279 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: want to force you to be anti natalist. Bring up 280 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: this as an idea, Yeah, And I think it's a 281 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: valuable idea to discuss. And I don't think it's I 282 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: don't think you're I don't think you're embracing like the 283 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: massacre of human beings or genesis way by saying like, 284 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: I think it'd be best if we didn't make anymore. 285 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: I'm not planning a arguable point. I'm not planning to 286 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: have any kids because I don't see why it, especially 287 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: when there's so many like children that can be adopted, 288 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: and we talked about you having kids so we could 289 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: experiment with making them blue. This is a separate conversation 290 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: that we're not talking about involving. We are not talking 291 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: about this on the pot. We'll just include that tantalizing hint. 292 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: I also just think in general, when we talk about 293 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: a group that's had a long history and a specific 294 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: thing they're doing in the present, Yeah, this has happened 295 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: in other situation where people like, well, you know, they 296 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: did this or some one of them said this. And 297 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: there's a couple of things I feel about that. For 298 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: one thing, it's it's like it's entirely possible that the 299 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: people doing the thing in the present day have nothing 300 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: to do with the people twenty years ago. Yeah, like 301 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: most of the the people out there first gathering gathering were 302 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: like in their twenties and around my age, Like they 303 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: weren't in the they weren't in earth first night. Like 304 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: that's not like so I feel like silly about kind 305 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: of making them be held accountable for something somebody else 306 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: said under a similar decades ago. And on the podcast, 307 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: I talked about how like people on the Earth First 308 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: earth First Gathering like talked about this stuff like that. 309 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: People talked about earth First like history and how they 310 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: haven't handled some issues very well. There was a lot 311 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: there was a massive effort for this gathering to like 312 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: um to like uplift and make sure everyone focuses on 313 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: indigenous voices, like they invited over multiple indigenous groups to 314 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: give talks on green resistance and like land back like that. 315 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: That was a big focus of like making sure that 316 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: this actually is something that has hurt because people know, 317 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: like this is, yeah, this is something important, this is 318 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: something that actually should be done. And there are I 319 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: think in general, and we talk about like holding organizations 320 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: and individuals accountable for their past. Um what matters is 321 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: like a mix of what they did and what they're doing. 322 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: So obviously, if Earth First had been saying twenty years ago, 323 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: we need to wipe out all the Jews, I would 324 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: be like I wouldn't care what they were saying. Now, 325 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: you know, it would be like, yeah, you can't really 326 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: come back from that. If you want to do a 327 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: completely different thing. It needs to be a new organization, don't. 328 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: But they weren't. And I'm not saying that where I'm 329 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: just making an example, but like, as a rule, I 330 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: think we should embrace the fact that organizations and people 331 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: can change throughout time and be better than they were 332 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: in the past. Um and and learn from mistakes and flaws. 333 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: And I feel pretty unwilling to condemn individuals or organizations 334 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: for the mistakes of their past, although that is dependent 335 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: upon the kind of mistake and the harm that it cost. Yeah, 336 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: and like and how they address it in the few churks, 337 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: like a lot of these Yeah, because like it wasn't 338 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: like First as an overall organization of specific people they 339 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: were affiliated with, like you know specifically UM like UM. 340 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: Edward Abbey has said some not great things around different 341 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: different different social issues, and his books were extremely influential 342 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: on the beginning of green resistance. But that's something people 343 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: talk about now, Like that's something that is like discussed 344 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,479 Speaker 1: and debated. UM. And he was and he was like 345 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: even in the eighties and nineties, he was like kicked 346 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: out of Earth First gatherings for kind of being a loser, 347 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: like for for having these bad views were like, yeah, 348 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: we probably shouldn't have you here anymore or leave go away, 349 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: So like that was something that was even talked about 350 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: back like back then as well, that is that isn't 351 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: just a modern thing. Yeah, And I think in general, 352 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: number there's a couple of things. Number One, whenever we 353 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: talk about like an organization in a specific context they're 354 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: doing this, that doesn't mean we're embracing everything they've done. 355 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: And number two, whenever we talk about the history of 356 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: of of of a movement or a group, I hope 357 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: nobody ever takes that as like here is the authoritative 358 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: stance on the history of this thing. Like it's when 359 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: we talked about the Black Panthers. There's a bunch of 360 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: stuff we left out that's very important. Um My hope 361 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: with those episodes, and I hope with anything we do, 362 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: is that it like inspires people to want to learn 363 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: more and read more, and we're giving them a basis 364 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: of understanding that they can use to expand their knowledge 365 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: on an important topic. So please, we are we are. 366 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: There's like one thing, uh collectively that that Garrison and 367 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: I have any kind of expertise on, and uh, outside 368 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: of that, you should not take anything we say as like, 369 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: here's the comprehensive history of of this, because it's I 370 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: I understand one thing, and it's it's how the internet 371 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 1: makes people shitty. Yeah, so yeah, um yeah, I mean 372 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: that that was something that this whole thing was something 373 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,959 Speaker 1: I thought about when writing these episodes is how much 374 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: to include of this stuff? And I did not feel 375 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: like it was super important to discuss this stuff because 376 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't relevant to the topic of stop lines. I 377 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: think you didn't relevant to the topic of like the 378 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: current ongoing green ris systems. If we want to do 379 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: like a history of green activism, then yes, this is 380 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: something that that would be that. And I think like 381 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: at some point we probably should do absolutely about just 382 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: like Mirror and like all of that ship. But like that, 383 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: there's a kind of stuff we want to talk about 384 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: that we haven't yet because it's a daily show and 385 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: my God, give us some fucking time. People. Speaking of 386 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: Edward Abbey, you know what sells quality monkey wrenches? Okay, alright, 387 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: that's fine. The maybe one of our sponsors. It's I 388 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: hope so Ace hardware. It's hardware. As hardware sponsoring us, 389 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: they do sell you can get some good monkey wrenches 390 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: from Ace Hardware Quality for fixing your faucet, for fixing 391 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: your faucet. So go get wrench pilled and then listen 392 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: to the rest of the show. Well we're back. We 393 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: just had a discussion about what we're gonna talk about, 394 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: and we realized that it wasn't after the ad break, 395 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: So here we are. Um. In in early September, we 396 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: had an episodes about both California's climate and the ongoing 397 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: recall election against Gavin Newsom. So a few days after 398 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: our episodes dropped, the things like the day the day 399 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: the second one dropped was was election day? Um we 400 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: we we got the results in faster than what I 401 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,959 Speaker 1: was expecting. Um and uh Newsome did handily beat uh 402 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: Larry Elder with like yeah so people people voted sixty 403 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: one no and like yes, uh so he Knewsome did 404 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: a decent job and pushing off Elder. Um. So this this, 405 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: this whole recall processed costed California taxpayers two hundred and 406 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: seventy six million dollars. It's not like we needed the 407 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: money for anything else. Garrison, Come on, yeah, so you 408 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: know a few takeaways. We're going to spend it on 409 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: fers literally anything else, water giving California needs water and firefighters, 410 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: Garrison coming giving houses to people who need houses. I 411 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: don't know. Um. Yeah, So takeaways from this The recall 412 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: process still should absolutely be invented. Yeah, it shouldn't require 413 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: should require more than twelve signatures at the last voter 414 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: turnout um. And the government should be requiring to get 415 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: to if you're if you're gonna be elected in the government, 416 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: you should be required to get a majority of votes. Um. 417 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: Not not not just a plurality of a specific you 418 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: know sect. So there's the whole we we we talked 419 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: about the specific reasons why it was bad in those episodes. 420 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: Those are still those are still like, those are still valid, 421 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: those are still relevant because there's still the same issues. Yeah, 422 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: And none of the fact that this turned out well 423 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: had anything to do with the Democratic Party who very 424 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: nearly bungled it. And it and it doesn't it doesn't 425 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: really impact. It doesn't impact, you know, the California's climate 426 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 1: issues so much. And like just because new Sims in 427 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: office doesn't mean they're going to get much better. You know, 428 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: there's still things that he needs to be pushed on 429 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: to to you know, make the climate a little bit 430 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: more habitable. In the meantime, it it means that we 431 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: will continue stumbling towards a cliff rather than speak so 432 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: generally what voting for Democrats means. Yeah, I will say, 433 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: it's interesting to me that it doesn't seem like you 434 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: can get the vote was rigged thing to work unless 435 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: the election is like kind of this is the next 436 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: thing I was going to talk about. Um. Yeah, because 437 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: because like in the week before the election, the Fox 438 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: News Republican Party and Larry Elder and even Trump, we're 439 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: really starting to ramp up this idea that if Elder loses, 440 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: that means the election was rigged. Uh. This was like 441 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: they were really pushing this hard and you know, spreading it, 442 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: like they were giving links to a website like before 443 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: he lost, even be like if you know, when I lose, 444 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: use this website. It was like, Okay, that's that's weird. Um. 445 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: But on the night of the election, Elder seems to 446 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: kind of claim climb down from the inflammatory like rhetoric 447 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: around the election. In his concession speech, he told supporters, 448 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: let's be gracious and defeat um. So he once the 449 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: actual results were in, he really climbed that down, so 450 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: we can read into that. The other thing I want 451 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: us to read into here is that could this could 452 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: this rhetoric around if we lose that means it was rigged. 453 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: Could that disenfranchise Republican voters from even showing up if 454 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: they believe that all elections will be stolen from them, 455 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,719 Speaker 1: well that being that they'll be less Republican turn out 456 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: if there's just if they think that it doesn't matter. 457 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: So that's the other side of things, Like I'm not 458 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: sure if if if the other side effects that this 459 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: that this rhetoric could have. Yeah, there's an interesting So 460 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: during during the last election like national election cycle, there 461 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: is a bunch of me to use people who weren't 462 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: voting in Florida, And I thought it was really interesting 463 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: because there were there were several people they talked to 464 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 1: who were like, yeah, I don't vote because last time 465 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: I voted was two thousand and they stole the election, 466 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: which was literally which which yeah, and and you know 467 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: I'd say that, yeah, like I think it is slightly 468 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: different when like two thousands actually like like literally but 469 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: there was there was the bricks like there there there 470 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: Roger Stone, Yeah, Roger Stone led a riot to stop 471 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: like the votes from being counted, like whatever, weird Bush. 472 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 1: I think people people got like like a bunch of 473 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: people with like vaguely black names got like their names 474 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: struck off the like the voting roles. Like there was 475 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: a lot of yeah, but yeah, And I don't I 476 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: don't know if it'll if it if the effect can 477 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: work that strongly when it's like completely bullshit, which was 478 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: I think it's yeah, interesting, I don't know. It's it's 479 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: hard to say because it's it's it's unclear whether the 480 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: voter turnout on the because like you know, there were 481 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: times where they were pulling like fifty fifty between between 482 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: between Newsom and Elder, and it's unclear. I think jen 483 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: definitely the big advertising push that corporate donors gave to 484 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: Newsom in the month before the election did help get 485 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: Democratic voter turnout, you know, like people voting for new 486 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: getting people scared about govern that not was not ineffective, 487 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: that that very much works. That did increase turn out there, 488 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: But I don't know because like with the whole election 489 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: being stolen rhetoric that could both increase Republican voter turnout. 490 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: And there's also the side effect now where maybe it 491 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: could decrease it because they're just disenfranchised about this concept. 492 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: But this is kind of just speculation at this point. 493 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: I don't have actual data backing up this claim right now. 494 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: This is just something that I thought about while running 495 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: this right up, I'm like, huh, I wonder if this 496 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: could be a contributing factor in the future. People really 497 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: I feel like they're always gonna lose. Maybe they just 498 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: not not even are going to bother um. But it's 499 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: hard to say. It's like, you know, the main reason 500 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: why Elder lost wasn't due to newsome strength. That was 501 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: because Elder is like, it's completely like he It was 502 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: like because the most qualified Yeah, well like widely unqualified 503 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: and like one of the more extreme candidates like running. 504 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: And yes he did get a lot of support among Republicans, 505 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: but among moderates and people you know, left of center 506 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: in terms of like an American spectrum, Uh, they're like, yeah, no, 507 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: this is going to be a disaster if if he 508 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: gets elected. And that's the main reason why he didn't. Um, 509 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: it's not due to Newsom being great, But I mean, 510 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: Sophie did mention a few things that Newsom has done 511 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: since then, Um so we do do do? Do you 512 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: want to say the specific details just so I don't 513 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: have to look famously a big Newsome fans So yeah, 514 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: not come on, uh so not to give news some 515 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: credit because this is like an obvious right thing to 516 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: do situation. But um at the beginning of October, the 517 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: Senate Bill seven was signed into law. It was an 518 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: unanimous vote and Newsom signed off on it to give 519 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: back Bruce's Speach, which was owned by a black family, 520 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: Willa and Charles Bruce, back in their land was illegally 521 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: taken away from them. It's a beach front plot in 522 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: Manhattan Beach. And I signed into a lot of give 523 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: it back. That is good, I mean yeah, yeah, more 524 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: of that should be done. I mean that is kind 525 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: of the basis of like, you know, that is one 526 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: side of land back, is just giving land back to 527 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: people who used to have it. Yeah, of course this 528 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 1: is this isn't tied to like indigenous stuff, but you know, 529 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: I've seen people make that same comparison for like, yeah, 530 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: we should just be doing this more in general to 531 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah, that's a I'm glad 532 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: that that was done. It's also now illegal to remove 533 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: a condom without consett in California, which is wait, what, 534 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: You're going to have to change a lot of things 535 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: about how you have sex with Californians. Yeah, during intercourse, 536 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: that's the it's the first state to do that, first 537 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: of all. Huh, Yeah, it's wild because under any reasonable definition, 538 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: that rape. Yeah, yeah, it's just rap. Yeah, it's absolutely rape. 539 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: California also now requires menstrual products in public schools, so 540 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: that's a bare minimum. And that I didn't realize that 541 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: it happened yea. And I want to be clear here, 542 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm not giving you some credit for this, but if 543 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: he had lost the recall ellection, none of this would 544 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: be happening. No, it's nice that he I'm sure some 545 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: of this was him kind of providing a sop to 546 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: the people who lined up to stop the recall. And 547 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: those are good things that were done. Yeah, And I 548 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: think I think that's sort of an important thing to 549 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: understand about when politicians occasionally do good things. It's like 550 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: they don't do good things because they want to do them. 551 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: They they do things that benefit from you because they're 552 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: either in some way scared of you, or it's because 553 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: they need to buy they buy you off, and and 554 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: that that is you know, that is that is a 555 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: legitimate way that good things happen. I've got a couple 556 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: other Uh, there's been a lot signed in recently, So 557 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: I got a couple of other ones that I that 558 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: I think are relevant to our show. California will not 559 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: streamline extend assisted death law. So that's that's good. That 560 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: reduces the time until terminal patients can choose to be 561 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: given fatal drugs. So starting January one, the waiting period 562 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: required time a patient makes separate oral request for medication 563 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: would dropped to forty down from the current minimum fifteen days. 564 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: That is that is good, pretty rad Yeah, I mean 565 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: there's just there's there's a I mean, we'll see if 566 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: it's it's hard, a lot, there's a lot it's it's hard, 567 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: it's hard to be like worse than Larry Elder. Yeah, 568 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: that's my that this one definitely would not get through 569 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: for California. California Acts a lot of strip badges from 570 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: bad officers, like very vaguely written, is very vague. But yeah, 571 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: well we'll see what happens to Like, No, none of 572 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: that stuff would have happened under a thing I am 573 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: so prized at, like some of those things actually got 574 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: through because I'm I'm surprised that democratic politicians would actually 575 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: vote for those things we put office. That's why I 576 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: was like, basically like the condom thing, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, 577 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: And I was not expecting that to go through some 578 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: science legislation to extend to go cocktails. Wait, all right, 579 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: that's sure, Okay, more where am I to cocktail heads? Sorry? Alright, 580 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: So at least Larry Al there's not in office. There's 581 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: still a lot of climate issues and maybe this rhetoric 582 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: around stealing the elections not gonna work every single time 583 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: they do it. Um, that's kind of the main that's 584 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: the main things that I was going to talk about, 585 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: and it is it is. I mean, one of the 586 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: things that people are talking about in a lot of 587 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: the spaces I generally agree with is like the foolishness 588 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: of voting is harm reduction. And there's been a lot 589 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: of if you want to believe that it isn't, there's 590 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: been a lot of information coming up from the Biden 591 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: administration that will support that belief. Um, But what we're 592 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: saying right now in California's group that can be like 593 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: the these are not none of this is going to 594 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: fundamentally change the major problems that are confronting us. But 595 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: but a bunch of those things are going to Like 596 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: life's going to be easier for some little girls whose 597 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: families don't have much money. You know, life got easier 598 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: for that one family who got their land back. Um. 599 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: You know, potentially it's going to be easier to get 600 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: bad police officer or to get particularly bad police officers 601 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: off the street. And that's not that's not nothing. Like 602 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: when we say voting can be and I'm not saying 603 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: that it usually is, but when we it can reduce harm, 604 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: that's what it means. It means that, like, oh, some 605 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: bad things that that would be worse are not as 606 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: bad because of this. Not that everything is better. A 607 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: lot of stuff will be the same and is the 608 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: same in California, Like ecologically, nothing fundically fundamentally changed, but 609 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: some ships a little easier for certain groups of people 610 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: as a result of some stuff and specific happen. Specificly, 611 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: I think the getting getting more like contraceptive products and 612 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: menstrual products inside public schools is one of the literally 613 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: the best things we can do, like like for the 614 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: whole country. It is like something that if that was 615 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: required in every public school, that would make so many 616 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: people's lives better. That ridiculous degree significantly reduces harm in 617 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: a specific way. And I think that just because like, yeah, 618 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: I mean it's not going to stop us all from 619 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: burning up, um, but that doesn't mean it's not worthwhile. 620 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: So those those are the three stories that I wanted 621 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: to give some updates for. UM, so I know, you know, 622 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: there were changes happened, you know, very soon after posting 623 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: those episodes. UM. I still think the California ones are 624 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: worth listening to because they do lay out a lot 625 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: of stuff around around California's climate, um and the specific 626 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: weird stuff that it has with its specific weird things 627 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: that has with its election process. UM. I think the 628 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: line three episodes are going to be pretty good to 629 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: go back to as well. UM. And then uh, I 630 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: at the specific cop City thing in Atlanta, that is 631 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: the stuff that I am It's gonna be the most 632 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: like ongoing thing stills because that's going to be an 633 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: ongoing project. So I'm sure we'll come back to the 634 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: Cops City at different points throughout the next few months. 635 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: So that that that that that's the updates. UM, any 636 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: any any closing notes from either Christopher, Robert or Sophie. Yeah, 637 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: just just I do well excuse me, okay, Sorrightfie, Sorry, 638 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: just I just just remind him. We've said this earlier 639 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: in the episode, that like, we're just giving you brief, 640 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: brief sniff. It's about this stuff. There's a lot there's 641 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: a lot of really good articles online that go go 642 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: deep into these things. And we'll post our sources on 643 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: the website. Yep, yeah, yeah, we we we do. We 644 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: do a good job, I think most of the time. Yes, yes, 645 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: but we're great. Yeah, we're we're the only heroes like that. 646 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: That's fair to say. Absolutely, But do you do not 647 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: have a podcast be the only source of information? Absolutely? 648 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: Do not. Don't listen to just begging you listen to 649 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: if you think more of a of a left perspective 650 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: that is that that goes in some directions. We don't. 651 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: It's going down. Is a lovely place to check out 652 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: Margaret Killjoy's um uh live like the World is Dying. 653 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: St Andrew's YouTube channel. UM he does some some really 654 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: incredible stuff. Um. You know, there's all sorts of good 655 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: people out there and then also like history books more 656 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: than anything, like history books, history books for the thing 657 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 1: that radicalized me. Yeah, if you want to read more 658 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 1: about the new sub notable laws signed recently, the k 659 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: c r A and Sacramento did A did a really 660 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: good breakdown article. Oh sorry, so it's okay. And and 661 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: as a note, we will be doing more episodes like 662 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: this over time, as like stories that we cover have 663 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: additional things happen to them. This is like we don't 664 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: want to just be like dropping a story and then 665 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: ignoring whatever happens next. Um. Sometimes that will following up 666 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: with people that we're talking to him on the ground. 667 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: But you know, we are trying to like keep you 668 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 1: updated on the things that we think are important, you know, 669 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: even when they end uh in a in a broadly 670 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: positive sense or whatever. And lastly, what was the name 671 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: of that brisket place in Atlantic, because I'm sure people 672 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: are gonna ask about it. Oh, I don't remember. It 673 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: was some shitty little place in the middle of South Atlanta. 674 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,240 Speaker 1: Um and like a fucking strip mall that was really helpful. 675 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: I don't remember. So if it was like eleven years ago, 676 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: what do you I don't remember. The best brisket you've 677 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: ever had, and it was but the best. Like if 678 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: you know anything about good barbecue, the best barbecue you 679 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: ever have is either cooked by like your uncle or 680 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: is cooked in some shitty little place with a dis 681 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: turn that wouldn't pass a code inspection. That is true 682 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,879 Speaker 1: that the more the more codes it violates, the better 683 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: than bisket. Um Anyway, If you see the chef actively 684 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: ship on the grill, that means just going to be incredible. 685 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ anyway, Twitter and Instagram, what happened here Paul, 686 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. Subscribe to the feed and leave a 687 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: five star review. That's it. 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