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Speaker 1: welcome everybody. Thank you so much for joining. Great to

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Speaker 1: contact with somebody who was or the Trump campaign at

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Speaker 1: the time, I had a friend in Russian intelligence or something.

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Speaker 1: You know, They'll they'll try to construe yet another conspiracy

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Speaker 1: theory or or another phase of the conspiracy theory that

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Speaker 1: will be flimsy, but at least they'll be able to

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Speaker 1: tell them something at night when they want to go

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Speaker 1: to sleep. But they're not crazy and they're not just

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Speaker 1: running around with nothing. Ah. Also, here's a question that

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Speaker 1: I never hear anybody ask, why would why would Trump

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Speaker 1: coordinate with Let's say, do this with me? What walk

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Speaker 1: through this with me? And I would love to hear

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Speaker 1: somebody who disagrees with us explain where I'm going wrong.

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Speaker 1: And if you think I'm right, of course you can

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Speaker 1: call and tell me that too. That's always cool. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So here it goes. We've got Trump. Uh, let's say

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Speaker 1: it's Trump himself, just to make this a juicier, more

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Speaker 1: fun story. Let's just get into this. You've got Trump

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Speaker 1: and he is uh, in the midst of his campaign,

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Speaker 1: and he sits down with a Russian uh, senior Russian

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Speaker 1: intelligence officer, right, I mean, and they're in some uh

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Speaker 1: some back room of a I don't I don't know

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Speaker 1: of a sketchy you know, bar in some Eastern European

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Speaker 1: city or something. And they're sitting there and the Russian

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Speaker 1: guy says, you know, uh, Mr Trump, Vladimir Putin really

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Speaker 1: wants you to win, and so we're going to be

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Speaker 1: taking action that will help you. Collusion would mean that

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Speaker 1: Trump now, so okay, so let's assume that that's all happened.

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Speaker 1: Collusion would mean that Trump then says or responds or

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Speaker 1: somebody on the Trump team. I mean, it's not Trump

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Speaker 1: didn't do this. And even in the most crazy left

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Speaker 1: wing fever swamps of the internet, I don't think anybody

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Speaker 1: really believes the Trump himself did this. But just so

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Speaker 1: we can be very clear in the example, so Trump

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Speaker 1: sits down with this this Russian in. In my remember,

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Speaker 1: this is not my theory. This is just playing. I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm war gaming. I'm playing out the scenario, the worst

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Speaker 1: case scenario that the Trump administration with Trump Russia collusion

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Speaker 1: could face sits down with this Russian. Russian says, Mr Trump,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna try to help you. Okay. Trump then says,

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Speaker 1: all right, thanks, glad Putin wants me to win, walks out,

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Speaker 1: has he broken any laws? Has he done anything? And

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Speaker 1: you say, okay, well, Buck, but maybe that's that's not collusion,

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Speaker 1: that's just notification. And also we should note if the

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Speaker 1: Russian says this the Trump and Trump says, don't you

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Speaker 1: dare do that? Do you do? We think that would

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Speaker 1: change this this Russian this remember this is fictional, but

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Speaker 1: this fictional Russian intelligence officers. Mind. Oh yeah, okay, Trump said,

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Speaker 1: don't let's not hack, guys, let's not hack, let's not

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Speaker 1: do this. No, the Russians have been running information operations

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Speaker 1: for decades back long before there. We're even talking about

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Speaker 1: the FSB and the various other Russian intelligence services, g

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Speaker 1: r U, s vr UM, we're talking about the KGB

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Speaker 1: and the Cold War. There are Russians then they're the Soviets.

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Speaker 1: They're running intelligence operations then. But so okay, so now

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Speaker 1: we sit back down and I know the Democrats are Buck,

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Speaker 1: but you're giving you know, what what if? What if? Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's do the what if so Trump sits there with

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Speaker 1: the Russian and it's even worse. He doesn't just say okay, thanks,

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Speaker 1: he says what exactly? Yeah, And I'm gonna help you.

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Speaker 1: I've got my best guy who's gonna work with you.

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Speaker 1: My my best guy is gonna work with one of

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Speaker 1: your intel guys to get into Podesta and the d

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Speaker 1: n c's email accounts. That's just stupid, right, that there's

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Speaker 1: no reason to do that. Think of what collusion would mean.

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Speaker 1: Collusion would mean that Trump had to have a senior

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Speaker 1: member of his camp or you know, somebody with Gravy

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Speaker 1: toss in connection. Right. It can't be somebody that shook

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's hand at a rally once a long time ago,

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Speaker 1: who happens to have a friend, you know, who is

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Speaker 1: connected to Russian intelligence and had some concocted scheme about

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Speaker 1: how they're gonna help Trump win. Right, somebody with with

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Speaker 1: gravity Toss and Poul and the Trump orbit. Why why

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Speaker 1: would they collude? The Russians don't need Trumps help for this,

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Speaker 1: So what would be the purpose? The whole This is

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Speaker 1: what I'm trying to get at for all of you,

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Speaker 1: and I haven't heard anyone else making this point of

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Speaker 1: saying this, So I think it's essential to make it here,

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Speaker 1: and I hope you will if you agree with me

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Speaker 1: that this is a an essential aspect of the argument

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Speaker 1: that we should keep in mind and please you should

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Speaker 1: tell others about this. Why would he collude even if

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Speaker 1: Trump wanted to use the Russians and was willing to

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Speaker 1: do anything to defeat Hillary, why would he quote collude

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Speaker 1: with them? And how could he collude with them? Just

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Speaker 1: being notified of Russian action through an intermediary is not collusion.

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Speaker 1: That that unless there is an affirmative step taken by

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Speaker 1: somebody on Trump's behalf, at Trump's behest to assist in

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Speaker 1: the hacking, there's no collusion. Does anyone really think that

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Speaker 1: happened that Trump had one of his henchmen meet with

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Speaker 1: one of these Russian guys, like, ha, let's come up

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Speaker 1: with this scheme. And keep in mind that they've already

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Speaker 1: said that there was hacking of both Democrat and Republican systems.

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Speaker 1: I know that only they say, well, well, the Democrats

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Speaker 1: were the ones that had information released. But okay, but again,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't even make sense. It's not feasible. Forget about

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Speaker 1: whether they they still haven't produced any evidence. But even

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Speaker 1: in the absence of evidence of the and I don't

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Speaker 1: mean to overuse the word, but it's important. It's a

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Speaker 1: central collusion of actively working together with the Russians to

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Speaker 1: subvert the US election, to quote hack the election. Why

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Speaker 1: would why would the Russians even need Trump to do that?

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Speaker 1: It doesn't. In fact, all that does is exposed. There

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Speaker 1: would be you know, Kremlin proxy to this kind of

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Speaker 1: problems down the line. Are these kinds of problems, This

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Speaker 1: sort of media treatment. The whole collusion narrative is crazy.

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Speaker 1: It makes no sense. If I thought it made sense,

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Speaker 1: I swear to you, I promise. If I believe that

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Speaker 1: the President of the United States or one of his

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Speaker 1: top officials on his behalf was actively working with the

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Speaker 1: Russians to engage in criminal activity to throw the election,

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Speaker 1: I would be furious too, and I would want accountability,

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Speaker 1: legal criminal accountability. But the story they keep offering or

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Speaker 1: forget the story. The evidence does not exist, and they

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Speaker 1: never give us any evidence of this, which I've said

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Speaker 1: to you before, But now here we are once again

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Speaker 1: the point about collusion, and it doesn't even make sense.

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Speaker 1: And if what happened is what we know to have

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Speaker 1: happened now based on what all the Intel community reports

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Speaker 1: that we've seen and everything's been talking to the press

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Speaker 1: that the Russians just wanted Trump to win, so they

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Speaker 1: hacked podest and they did something. Well that's not Trump's fault,

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Speaker 1: and it's really not that big of a deal in

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Speaker 1: terms of whether it affected the election outcome or not.

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00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: I know today people's like, oh, we've reached the this

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Speaker 1: is the most effective Russian operation, Russian information operation of

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Speaker 1: all time. Well that's only if you think it's swayed

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Speaker 1: the election. And I don't think it's way the election.

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Speaker 1: And even if it did, guess what, there's no redo mechanisms.

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Speaker 1: So what are we even talking about? But what is

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Speaker 1: the real purpose of this? It is not about US

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Speaker 1: national security, It is not about cybersecurity, is not about

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Speaker 1: accountability for Trump and his top people. This is about undermining, smearing,

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Speaker 1: discrediting Trump and all of his top people, and continuing

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Speaker 1: this investigation to get dollars for Democrats, going to get

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Speaker 1: campaign donations, going to return control control after a long

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Speaker 1: drought of the Senate to the Democrats and eventually the House,

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Speaker 1: and of course, in four years the presidency of the Democrat.

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Speaker 1: That's all this is. This is just politics everyone. It's

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Speaker 1: really not about national security in a bipartisan, honest fashion

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Speaker 1: at this point, it's just about making Trump look bad,

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Speaker 1: keeping this conversation going because another another question put so

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Speaker 1: we've already discussed, right, collusion. It doesn't make sense. Why

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Speaker 1: would Trump work with the Russians on this even if

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Speaker 1: he knew about it. Knowing about it doesn't mean anything

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Speaker 1: and they don't need his help and they don't need

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Speaker 1: just help, So what does that mean? Why would he

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Speaker 1: do that? It's just dumb, even if you thought he

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Speaker 1: wasn the first and you get that point. Um, let

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Speaker 1: me hit a quick break here because we're gonna run

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Speaker 1: the next one. I want to take your calls on

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Speaker 1: eight four to eight to five. Team. We will be

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Speaker 1: right back Jim and Georgia on w D A K.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Jim? Hey, what's going on about? The first

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Speaker 1: time caller here? Thank you sir, Great to have you.

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Speaker 1: That's good. Listen to you too, Thank you, listen. I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to talk about your last comments about that

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Speaker 1: whole and I can only determine his bowline schatology. Uh,

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Speaker 1: when they talk about the collusion issue. There are three

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Speaker 1: points I'd like to make. One, everything about Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 1: that the Russians allegedly had to say. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: most of us already knew that, you know, people who

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Speaker 1: were paying attention. Second of all, the Russians would only

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Speaker 1: like this whole business because it makes them look all

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Speaker 1: powerful in the cyber world, you know, so they can

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Speaker 1: keep their mouth shut and look like they've really done

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Speaker 1: something great because they keep getting the credit for to

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Speaker 1: you if they didn't do it. Yeah. Do you see

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Speaker 1: my point though? About how about how collusion makes no sense?

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Speaker 1: Why would Trump or any of his people take an

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Speaker 1: active step to help the Russians. They don't need our

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Speaker 1: help or not our help. They don't need their help

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Speaker 1: exactly exactly, because I don't think they're that good anyway.

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Speaker 1: But third point is, you know they would have preferred

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Speaker 1: Hillary as president anyway. We mom didn't do anything about Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: then respond to it till we wouldn't have either, you know,

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Speaker 1: putin just keep doing what he wants to do. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I always think that gets overlooked in this gym. Nobody

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Speaker 1: knows what Trump Trump doesn't know what Trump's foreign policy

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Speaker 1: is really going to be. Like it's just based on

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Speaker 1: gut instincts and uh and a straightforward, realistic approach to

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Speaker 1: the world. Right. But he doesn't have a doctorate, so

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Speaker 1: either the Russians can't foresee And by the way, Russian

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Speaker 1: political analysis tends to be for a long stretching back

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Speaker 1: a long way, tends to be way off and crap exactly.

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Speaker 1: And and he's more of us. She she sm hit

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Speaker 1: the kind of guy. Hi here you man. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm Jim. I appreciate a good points man. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: She'll tie uh Jim in Michigan. Good to have you, sir. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm always intrigued by the fact that everybody talks about

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Speaker 1: what the Russians are doing or what the Russians did,

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Speaker 1: but nobody talks about what was revealed and Podestas emails,

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Speaker 1: you know, the um the fact that they wanted to

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Speaker 1: get rid of Bernie Sanders, or the fact that they had,

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Speaker 1: you know, all these nefarious things that they were talking

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Speaker 1: about that is exactly opposite of their talking points. But no,

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Speaker 1: we're not bringing that up. Instead, we're trying to defend

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Speaker 1: ourselves against something that's doesn't need to be defended against.

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Speaker 1: I think if we if we shine a light more

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Speaker 1: on what was interedested emails. But Jim, what do you

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Speaker 1: think that was so noteworthy in Podesta's emails? I thought

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Speaker 1: they were pretty you know, I'm pretty pedestrian, pretty whatever, Right,

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Speaker 1: did anyone not know? I mean, the super delegates were

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Speaker 1: in the tank for Hillary from the beginning, and everyone's like, well,

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Speaker 1: Hillary is gonna beat Bernie because the super delicates. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: so the Democrat establishment, the Democrat party establishment is just

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Speaker 1: deciding Hillary wins because Hillary wins. Uh. That was the reality, right,

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Speaker 1: There was a they have a huge super delicate system

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Speaker 1: in the Democrat and the d n C primary, So

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Speaker 1: we all knew the Democrats were And then then we

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Speaker 1: found out about the leak of the questions to Hillary

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Speaker 1: from that CNN who was, by the way, one of

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Speaker 1: the most revered CNN pundits I ever came across Donna Brazil.

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Speaker 1: I mean Donna Brazil at CNN was like political royalty. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and she gave Hillary the questions. You know, so this

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Speaker 1: was all this was all apparent, Jim, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean? Well, but I think the point is is

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Speaker 1: that if the Democrats would have said one time, but

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Speaker 1: the Russians were hacking and momentic gold. That would be

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Speaker 1: a Republican tactic. They just keep hammering on it, hammering

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Speaker 1: on it until they finally get the point out. We

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Speaker 1: all know this information, what you're saying is is pretty pedestrian,

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Speaker 1: but it's not common knowledge to everybody, and so you

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Speaker 1: have to keep hammering at home. Every time they talk

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Speaker 1: about Russians, you have to talk about what was in

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Speaker 1: the emails, and then it finally he is gonna start

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Speaker 1: to sink in. All right, Jim, thank you for calling in,

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Speaker 1: she'ld say, I appreciate it. If you're on hold, please

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Speaker 1: stay with me if you can in the next hour,

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Speaker 1: or you can call in now. We've got some spots

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Speaker 1: open eight four four eight to five hour two will

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Speaker 1: be upon us shortly. He spreads freedom because freedom is

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Speaker 1: not gonna spread itself. Bug sext in his back. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back everyone. We've got Michelle Malkin on the line. She

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Speaker 1: is a syndicated columnist and host of Michelle Malkin Investigates

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Speaker 1: on cr TV, also author of Culture of Corruption. Michelle,

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Speaker 1: Great to have you back. Hey, thanks for having me back. Buck.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk a bit about I want to get into

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Speaker 1: the EB five fraud story that you've done, Michelle. But first, guy,

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Speaker 1: I used to ask you a bit about what happened

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Speaker 1: today in Texas with Governor Abbott and this bill that

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Speaker 1: targets sanctuary cities. What's going on here? Well, I think

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Speaker 1: that Governor Abbott is uh putting the pedal to the metal.

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Speaker 1: And um, this is coming at a time when so

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Speaker 1: many other states are going in the opposite direction. Illinois

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Speaker 1: is poised, you know, with a nominally Republican governor, to

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Speaker 1: declare itself officially a sanctuary state. Um. California has operated

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Speaker 1: as a as a de facto sanctuary state for as

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Speaker 1: as long as I can remember. And I started my

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Speaker 1: journalism career in Los Angeles, and and I think that, Um,

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Speaker 1: when you've got Congress, you know, passing its Omnima Bust

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Speaker 1: bill and refusing to take the steps that you know,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump promised he would in defunding these outlaw cities.

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Speaker 1: Um that once a in Texas is leading the way.

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Speaker 1: And they were at the forefront of the states when

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Speaker 1: Greg Abbott was Attorney General in challenging Obama's executive Fiat amnesties.

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Speaker 1: And and here we go again. Um, you know, I

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Speaker 1: I almost moved to Texas. When I made the decision

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Speaker 1: to flee d C WE it was between Colorado and Texas.

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Speaker 1: And I'm increasingly regretting the choice that we made. Where

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Speaker 1: do you stand on a wall, by the way, UM,

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering where it is to be able to stand

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Speaker 1: on one. UM. Look, clearly, it's just one piece of

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Speaker 1: the puzzle, but it's a very big uh symbolic UM

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Speaker 1: gesture that should have been made a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: And remember under the Bush administration W. W. Bush. UM,

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Speaker 1: he had promised to build a wall too, and it

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Speaker 1: ended up being what I called a final offense in

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Speaker 1: name only UM. When I wrote Invasion back in two

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Speaker 1: thousand two Bucks, I've made very clear that the law

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Speaker 1: UM was just uh, you know, one piece of the

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Speaker 1: systemic immigration enforcement reforms that we need it and um

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Speaker 1: and and and it hasn't happened. And what we're seeing

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Speaker 1: now is that there are a lot of open borders

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Speaker 1: special interests, not only on the left, but many corporate

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Speaker 1: interests on the right as well, UM, that are standing

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Speaker 1: in a way as they have for the last twenty

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Speaker 1: five years. One aspect of the law that Governor Abbott

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Speaker 1: and Texas signed today. I thought was interesting was holding

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Speaker 1: it would hold officials accountable. Well, here, actually we can

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Speaker 1: hear from the governor himselves. I was proud last night

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Speaker 1: to sign this law. This law effectively bans sanctuary cities

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Speaker 1: in the state of Texas. What it means is is

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Speaker 1: that no county, no city, no governmental body in the

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Speaker 1: state of Texas can adopt any policy that provides sanctuary. Second,

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Speaker 1: what it means is that law enforcement officials such as

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Speaker 1: sheriffs are to be required to comply with ICE detainer request.

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Speaker 1: What it means is they could be subject to jail time.

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Speaker 1: It means they could be subject to being removed from office.

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Speaker 1: It means that their city or county could be subject

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Speaker 1: defines and penalties of up to dollars per day. Michelle,

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Speaker 1: that's that's a law that sounds like it's got some

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Speaker 1: teeth when it comes to more or less enforcing the enforcers. Yes, finally,

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Speaker 1: and again, you've got so many of these police chiefs,

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Speaker 1: left wing police chiefs in places like Los Angeles that

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Speaker 1: are openly defying the law. Um. I lived in Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles as a sanctuary outlaws city. I moved up to Seattle,

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Speaker 1: who was the same way and then I lived in

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Speaker 1: Montgomery County, Maryland, which of course has been overrun by

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Speaker 1: MS thirteen sucks. Um, while those liberal bureaucrats pat themselves

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Speaker 1: on the back for their tolerance and understanding of of

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Speaker 1: illegal aliens and and they're continued enabling of criminal illegal

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Speaker 1: alien criminal rackets. So UM. There's another piece here, of course,

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Speaker 1: UM that Governor abbots um great move does not address,

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Speaker 1: and that is the fact that American citizens do not

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Speaker 1: have standing to sue these outlaw sanctuary cities UM when

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Speaker 1: uh they or their family members are victimized by illegal

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Speaker 1: alien crime um as a result of non enforcement or

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Speaker 1: lacks enforcement. And I really think that's the missing piece here. Um.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you fix that. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: certainly can't do it at either the executive branch level

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Speaker 1: or um legislatively or through any you know, through any

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Speaker 1: guberatorial means. Um. But uh, it is a crying shame

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Speaker 1: that that American citizens do not have standing to sue.

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Speaker 1: But you've got these you know, um Muslim immigrants from

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Speaker 1: around the world who are bollocksing up Trump's travel bannon. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they can sue they consider now, thanks thanks to

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Speaker 1: some judges out out in the out West. We're talking

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Speaker 1: to Michelle Malkin, Everybody syndicated columnst host of Michelle Malkin Investigates,

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Speaker 1: which is on CRTV. You can check it out on

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Speaker 1: crtv dot com. Speaking of which, EB five fraud. Tell

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Speaker 1: us about this, Michelle, to give people some backgrounds, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure most folks don't even know what EB five is.

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Speaker 1: And that's fine because it's pretty down in the weeds. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is, but it is something that has plagued our

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Speaker 1: country for the last oh my goodness, twenty five twenty

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Speaker 1: six years now. Um. This is a bipartisan program that

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Speaker 1: was created with the support of George Herbert Walker Bush,

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Speaker 1: Teddy Kennedy, UM and old line progressive Democrats in hoots

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Speaker 1: with big business special interests. And it was in the

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Speaker 1: news this weekend because there was a New York Times

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Speaker 1: reporter based in China who was kicked out of an

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Speaker 1: EB five president notation that was run by Jared Kushner's

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Speaker 1: sister Jared Kushner his family of course, big real estate

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Speaker 1: and development moguls Um, one of his companies, has been

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Speaker 1: heavily involved in the EB five program. Essentially, it puts

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Speaker 1: green cards and eventual American citizenship up for sale buck

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Speaker 1: to the highest politically connected foreign bidders. And I think

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Speaker 1: that when they first conceived this program, any congressman thought, well,

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Speaker 1: this is a way to um lure foreigners into the

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Speaker 1: United States who wouldn't be on the dole. And so politically,

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Speaker 1: the the optics looks good here because there would be investments.

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Speaker 1: It would be a win win situation. Uh. The way

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Speaker 1: that they had initially conceived the program, these EB five

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Speaker 1: Green card visas UM would cost between five hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: and a million dollars of an investment in UM a

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Speaker 1: project that was supposed to be in an economically distressed area.

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Speaker 1: But uh, think of the porculus math job creation math,

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Speaker 1: or the cylinder fuzzy math. Put that on steroids, and

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Speaker 1: you have the bogus formula for job creation adopted by

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Speaker 1: EB five. And and what's happened is it's turned and

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Speaker 1: morphed into this bipartisan racket UM that allows wealthy mostly

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Speaker 1: Chinese investors to not only come over here and buy

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Speaker 1: American citizenship, but then also import their entire families and

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Speaker 1: then never have to prove that their investments are actually

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Speaker 1: creating the jobs that were promised, so they say that

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Speaker 1: they're going to invest five dollars, but then they can

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Speaker 1: bring over their whole family and just stay yes. And

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Speaker 1: in fact the threshold for investment has been sabotage and

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Speaker 1: undermined year after year after year. UM there's very little

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Speaker 1: oversight UM with the program and UM there are national

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Speaker 1: security UH concerns involved here to the DHS Inspector General

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Speaker 1: pointed them out over the last several years. UM. And

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Speaker 1: people will be familiar with other EB five scandals. Kerry McGough,

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Speaker 1: all of was involved in one the green Tech electric

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Speaker 1: car company that that didn't essentially didn't exist in in Virginia.

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Speaker 1: Harry Read leaned on Obama top DHS official Alejandro Majorcas

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Speaker 1: to approve one of of these projects that one of

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Speaker 1: his sons, Wory Read, was involved in. So you can

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Speaker 1: see that this is UH. This is essentially I mean

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Speaker 1: belt Way crony is M is written into the d

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Speaker 1: n A of the program, and the benefits have been

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Speaker 1: UM very little for for taxpayers. And in the investigative

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Speaker 1: episode that we did for my show Michelmalton Investigates on CRTV,

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Speaker 1: we actually sent a crew up to UM Northeast Kingdom,

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Speaker 1: in rural Vermont where Pat Lahey and yes Nie Sanders

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Speaker 1: fronted one of these EB five projects that literally resulted

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Speaker 1: in a hole in the ground UM outside of Burlington, Vermont.

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Speaker 1: And that's all they have to show for it. Who determines, Michelle,

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Speaker 1: how does an e you mentioned this EB five project?

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Speaker 1: Who gives it the thumbs up and the you know

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Speaker 1: and and waves people on in Or is this just

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Speaker 1: through immigrations and customs enforcement? How does this work? So

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Speaker 1: this is one of the many alphabet soup visa programs

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Speaker 1: that is overseen or rather not overseen by the State

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Speaker 1: Department UH. And there is a DHS component to it

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Speaker 1: in in terms of some of the vetting, but when

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Speaker 1: it comes to sort of crunching the numbers about whether

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Speaker 1: there actually is any real job creation, it's a black hole.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's another big hole in the ground. And

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Speaker 1: this is something that UM watchdogs have have called attention

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Speaker 1: to many times over the years. The only enforcement agency

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Speaker 1: that's done anything to stop the fraud an embezzlement by

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Speaker 1: many shady real estate moguls who were taking advantage of

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Speaker 1: this is the Securities and Exchange Commission, and they have

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Speaker 1: cracked down in places like Seattle and Detroit, UM, and

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Speaker 1: UM recently in in Vermont over the last year. It's bipartisan.

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Speaker 1: The as I said, I stressed, I mean this was

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Speaker 1: a Bush Kennedy creation and UM, I mean. Among the

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Speaker 1: most shameful ones was EB five scandal in South Dakota

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Speaker 1: where EB five visa money was supposed to fund a

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Speaker 1: new slaughterhouse project and the people that involved their author

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Speaker 1: just ended up siphoning off the money involved there and

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Speaker 1: taking the money and ran. Michelle Malkin Investigates is on CRTV.

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Speaker 1: Check it out on crtv dot com. You can see

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Speaker 1: her piece on EB five and all the cronyism that

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Speaker 1: it involves. Michelle, thank you so much for making the

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Speaker 1: time great to have you as always. Thanks UH team,

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Speaker 1: We're going to hit a eight here eight four four

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Speaker 1: buck eight four four nine to eight to five. Will

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Speaker 1: be right back, calls her up. Let's take some We've

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Speaker 1: got UH Spencer in Ohio on w h L. Oh Hey, Spencer,

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Speaker 1: thank you for taking my call, sir, Thank you for calling.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, I had heard UH prior that Obama created

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Speaker 1: the fake Dorsier and that it was a prop to

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Speaker 1: blame Russia for the hacking Uh, what do you know

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Speaker 1: about this? And where is this dossier today? And back

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Speaker 1: in Mr Obama bagged lad to help him win reelection?

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Speaker 1: Do you give him more flexibility? What was that flexibility

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Speaker 1: to be used for more appeasement? Uh? And I do

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Speaker 1: believe that our National Security Act is really what is

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Speaker 1: at stake here, And getting back to this Flynn phone call,

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Speaker 1: if if you can prove intent on the Obama side,

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Speaker 1: this would be a violation of the Tenure in Office

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Speaker 1: Act eighteen seven, which led to the impeachment of Andrew Johnson.

853
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, uh, so, which which one of those wants

854
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Speaker 1: to tackle? First? Spencer one of the time here, what

855
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Speaker 1: what's first on the menu? I wanted to just make

856
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Speaker 1: one other mention of the folk Spirit New York Times

857
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Speaker 1: report February the eleven, where he said sabotage is the

858
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Speaker 1: name of the game and that the Obama shadow government

859
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Speaker 1: will be introducing ways to undermine and sabotage the Trump presidency.

860
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: Who said who wrote this the Paul Sperry New York

861
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: Post article. Oh, Paul Sperry in the Post. Okay, yeah,

862
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Speaker 1: we should have Sperry on. I haven't talked about this one.

863
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: Let's let's reach out to Mr Sparre. I think he's

864
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Speaker 1: at one of those institutes out on the West coast.

865
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Speaker 1: I forget which one, but yeah, okay, I'll reach out

866
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Speaker 1: to him. So Spencer, no questions, more more comments from

867
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Speaker 1: you on Ohio. Is that fair to say? Well, you know,

868
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Speaker 1: when you put the pieces of the puzzle together, it

869
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: shows Espionage Act violations, Sabotage Act violations. And I know

870
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: the Espionage Act from a hundred years ago, one of

871
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: the penalties is, but not limited to calls for the

872
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: death penalty. Yeah, that's technically true. Um, hasn't really been

873
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: used that way in a very long time. I think

874
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: the last people executed for treason were the Rosenberg's right,

875
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: it's been a long time. UM. And I don't I

876
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: don't know what you're you're bringing that up. I mean, yes,

877
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: that is technically true. I don't know what that Necessarily,

878
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: most Espionage Act cases have to do with just disclosures

879
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 1: of classified that in some cases are are pretty pretty major,

880
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: in some cases are much more minor. But they just

881
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: want to make an example out of somebody, which I

882
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: think is uh, terribly unjust way to approach the law.

883
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: But that's what the d o J does with this stuff.

884
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: Usually the low thank you for calling in Spencer, the

885
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: lower level folks get crushed in the machinery of government

886
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: to send an example for the rest. But if you're

887
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 1: a more senior whether it's Hillary Clinton or yes, even

888
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: General Petraeus and others get a softer treatment on this

889
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: stuff because look this it's it's easy. It is easy

890
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: to make and those of who have held a high

891
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: level clearance and worked for the government for years, it

892
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: is easy to make some mistakes with regard to these

893
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: this information. But that's a question of how serious, how severe,

894
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: what was the what was the intention, what was you know.

895
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: That's where all of a sudden you get the leeway

896
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: for the government to say, well, senior people, we're going

897
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: to give them a pass like well, you know, um,

898
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: it really depends on which or how the Espionage Act

899
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: is violated. Um. There's there are much more minor. There

900
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: are much more minor transgressions, and there are very major.

901
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, some of the most major ones we know of,

902
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: for example, uh with Bradley Manning, UH and the Snowden disclosures. Uh,

903
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: you know those or or enormous in scope. Um in

904
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: terms of the amount of documents that were released, but

905
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: much lesser punishments are usually given US people for much

906
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: lesser offenses. So what I'm trying to say is the Espionact.

907
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: Espionage Act is really overbroad, and so it can be

908
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: troubling because it gives the government so much leeway that

909
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: it can really ignore in the case of Hillary Clinton,

910
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: when it wants to ignore, and it can destroy when

911
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: it wants to destroy, depending on who the target is.

912
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: I don't like laws that are overbroad, and I don't

913
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: like the unequal application of the law, which we clearly

914
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: saw with Clinton and those disclosures. UM. I have yet

915
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: to meet a person who has held the security clearance

916
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: who will look in the eye and say, yeah, if

917
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Speaker 1: I had sent a hundred classified emails over an unclassified server,

918
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Speaker 1: I would have. I'm not saying that person will go

919
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: to prison for decades. I don't think that's the case.

920
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't think that, you know, I don't know what

921
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: was the information, but I think that would be that

922
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: would be harsh than you would see in a judicial proceeding. UM,

923
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: but you probably take a plea and uh, you know,

924
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: you stripped of clearance and never able to work national

925
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: security again and you know that those are the just

926
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: look at the cases. You don't have to take my

927
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Speaker 1: word for a look at previous cases and what's happened.

928
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: Look at look at portrays. Right. That was willful stuff

929
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Speaker 1: that he was doing. But he was told on paid

930
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: a hundred I think a hundred thousand all fine and

931
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: told don't ever do that again and lost his clearance. Uh,

932
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Speaker 1: and obviously had his reputation quite damaged in the process. Um,

933
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: but all right, enough on that for now, or at

934
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Speaker 1: least enough on that for that question. John in Pennsylvania.

935
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Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, sir. Hey, Bucky, don't take

936
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: why thank you the audience, and I appreciate that. Like

937
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: to speak to you again, talk to you since you

938
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Speaker 1: were on the other station. Uh, you know, I have

939
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Speaker 1: a couple of comments. One you just for just discussing

940
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Speaker 1: part of it, uh, about the emails, about how it's

941
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: always one side and what they're talking about. You know

942
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Speaker 1: a lot of emails came from the unsecured server, came

943
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Speaker 1: from that idiot her her campaign manager who everyone was

944
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Speaker 1: it was, I'm not sure who, Yeah he was. The

945
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Speaker 1: password was pass word kind of thing that yeah, yeah,

946
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Speaker 1: ye Acount. Yeah, him and her and but you know,

947
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Speaker 1: the media has just been all the way through this

948
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: so one side and you talk about, you know, why

949
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Speaker 1: would Trump did it? Well Trump, I don't think Trump

950
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 1: did do anything. I think I think, you know, Obama

951
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: and Proven were not the best of buds as far

952
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: as anybody was concerned. I heard one guy says they

953
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: would thought Hillary Clinton would been better. But I think

954
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Speaker 1: Putin knew enough to know that Hillary Clinton with knighte

955
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Speaker 1: from in the back of the first chance he got,

956
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: and he hated Obama. I mean Obama like come up,

957
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: you know, kind of participation prize like the first day

958
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: was in the office for just showing up and Putin

959
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: came up the hard way and for you know, somebody

960
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: like Obama to be talking to smack about him the way.

961
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Speaker 1: I don't think that went over very well. So I mean,

962
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Speaker 1: but all in all, I think it's the best I mean,

963
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: you could say was maybe even things out with all

964
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: the way the media is overlooking like every possible thingument

965
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Speaker 1: it has been for a long time. I mean, I

966
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Speaker 1: R S targeting and it's all that's all a non story. Yeah,

967
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Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know, it's troubling, John, and

968
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Speaker 1: thank you for calling for Pennsylvania. The more I try

969
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: to engage offline and online in good faith with Democrats

970
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: and own the media and just try, just try to

971
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: make a very obvious case. And you guys all realize

972
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: your Democrats, right, I mean your Democrats. You're pushing Democrat causes.

973
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: You have Democrat ideology. And what I what I realized,

974
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: And this isn't a new phenomenon, but it is troubling

975
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: that it still exists. Is that for a Democrat who

976
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: works in media, taking all Democrat positions on everything isn't partisan,

977
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: It's just truth. They see no difference between the two.

978
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: They are so ideologically brainwashed and and so dedicated to

979
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: her own well, their self righteousness and their their virtue

980
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: that for them it's not a question of are you

981
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: a partisan Democrat in the media, it's well, of course

982
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: you take Democrat positions because those are correct. The Freedom

983
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: Hunt rocks online too. You can hang out with teen

984
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: bucketing don plus can blucks the latest news and analysis

985
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: scored up buck Sexton dot com. That's buck Sexton dot com.

986
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: The buck is back. We've got Caitlin Collins with us now.

987
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: She is the Daily Callers White House reporter. She is

988
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: there in the mix, in the middle of it in

989
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: the Beltway, Caitlin, Great to have you back, Hi Buck,

990
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Thank you so much for joining.

991
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: So what what were your takeaways? What was what were

992
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: the the press, the press corps down in d C.

993
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: What were they thinking after today's UH hearings about Trump

994
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: Russia Flynn. Oh my, So it's a pretty crazy day

995
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: because we started out with the press briefing this afternoon

996
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: before Elliott's a testimony where Sean Spicer report repeatedly blamed

997
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: every blamed Mike Flynn's transgressions on the Aboma administration because

998
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: one of their agency had issued his security clearance, so

999
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: he said they couldn't been to blame for what happened.

1000
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: So it's really interesting when Nintally Yates comes on and testified,

1001
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: and she says that the reason she contacted the White

1002
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: House a thought this in the first place was because

1003
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Speaker 1: they were worried that Russians could blackmail Michael Flynn, which

1004
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: is a big deal because it was our national security

1005
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: advisor for a few days in January. If you can

1006
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: even remember that far back. Given everything that's happened, lately. Yeah,

1007
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: I didn't like this this line of response from Spicy,

1008
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: And if you want to pass it along, tell him Buck.

1009
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: Buck usually likes likes the way you roll, Spicy, but

1010
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: on this one, obviously you're not gonna do this, Caalin.

1011
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying I thought that that the the

1012
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: oh Obama gave them clearance. Why don't the Obama administration

1013
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: pull his clearance because the Obama aministration wasn't trying to

1014
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: make him national security advisor. I I don't really there

1015
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: are a lot of people with clearances. Uh, this is

1016
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: this seems to me to be a little bit of

1017
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: a misdirection when they don't need a misdirect. They could

1018
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: just say, yeah, we fired the guy. Obviously he wasn't

1019
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: he wasn't shooting straight with us on some stuff exactly.

1020
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: And it's funny for me because the Trump administration doesn't

1021
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: want to rely on the Obama administration for anything, and

1022
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: rightfully so in a lot of cases, you know, on healthcare,

1023
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: Supreme Court nominees, trade diplomacy, all that jazz. But then

1024
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: when it comes to the Michael Flint situation, they're happy

1025
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: to go back and say, well, we didn't grant him

1026
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Speaker 1: his security clients. The Obama administration did, well, that's not

1027
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: an excuse for a lot of other things. So I

1028
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: don't see what's an excuse for this thing. And the

1029
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: the aftermath. Let's talk about about healthcare for a second,

1030
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: if I can. Um. People are now saying what in

1031
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: terms of like the this budget, it went through and

1032
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: this is the administration is happy, what are the next steps? Well,

1033
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: now it's going through the House after it narrowly passed

1034
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: last Thursday. There was a big celebration the White House afterwards,

1035
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Speaker 1: as you'll recall, and now it's got to go through

1036
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Speaker 1: the Senate. However, people are predicting that this bill is

1037
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: going to look a lot different once they're done with it,

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Speaker 1: and they also are predicting it's going to take a

1039
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Speaker 1: lot longer than the White House is saying. Now. This

1040
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: is probably gonna become an issue if they keep delaying

1041
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: and keep delaying it because the White House wants to

1042
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Speaker 1: get this pass, they want to have a legislative accomplishment.

1043
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Speaker 1: But today this morning on Morning Joe, Senator Chris Coons

1044
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Speaker 1: said that he doesn't think there will be a final

1045
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: product of this healthcare bill until after the two Belman

1046
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: eighteen elections, which is a very long time away. Yeah,

1047
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: that seems like a bit a bit too long for

1048
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: for my taste. But here we go. A few other

1049
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,919
Speaker 1: pieces I see up here on Daily Caller dot com.

1050
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: You got Bill Clinton writing a book with James Patterson.

1051
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: It's gonna be like a is he the spy guy

1052
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: spy thriller writer? Right? Yes, they're writing us a thriller together,

1053
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: which is pretty funny to me. They're teaming up, they're

1054
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: gonna write when it's gonna be published Nick Summer. There's

1055
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Speaker 1: not many details about what the plot is going to

1056
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Speaker 1: be anything like that. All we know is that the

1057
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Speaker 1: title is the President is missing, so it'll be pretty

1058
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Speaker 1: interesting to see what happens there. If Bill Clinton is

1059
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Speaker 1: a co author on this one, they should probably have

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Speaker 1: an eighteen plus warning on the cover or something. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is not that. This is not going to be

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Speaker 1: I feel like it will not be a bedtime story

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Speaker 1: that you could read to your kids. Um. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Tiffany Trump attending Georgetown Law School, any anything on this

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Speaker 1: other than just people reporting on the first family, right,

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Speaker 1: she's the newest Trump to move to Washington. I think

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Speaker 1: the whole family is going to be here by the

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Speaker 1: end of the year. Milannia Trump and Baron our next.

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Speaker 1: But yes, it was reported today by the Daily Mailment

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Speaker 1: Tiffany Trump has decided where she's going to law school.

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Speaker 1: As you'll remember, she graduated from the University of Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: last May, and now she'll be moving to DC along

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Speaker 1: with everyone else. What's the mood these days among the

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Speaker 1: among the White House press corps, you guys getting along

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Speaker 1: with the administration? Is it now a finally tuned machine

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Speaker 1: down there? How? How are things going? I definitely would

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Speaker 1: not say it's to finally tuned machine. I think things

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01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: are still as crazy as they ever were. Maybe the

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Speaker 1: White House has gotten a little bit better at communicating

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Speaker 1: with the press some, but that doesn't mean that they're

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Speaker 1: always getting the answers they want. There's always going to

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01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: be a little bit of a back and forth, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's changed. I think that was evident

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Speaker 1: today as the briefing when reporters had multiple questions about

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Speaker 1: Michael Flynn and Sewn Tart kept going back to the

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Speaker 1: above administration defense. So I think that they're not always

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Speaker 1: getting the answers they want. Are you guys good do

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Speaker 1: you have much contact with members of the Trump team

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Speaker 1: other than Spicer. M. Yes. They probably call reporters more

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01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: than reporters call other reporters. They're constantly leaking and telling

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Speaker 1: each other, ating with someone today, who said someone, and

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01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: the Trump administration calls them to ask who their source

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Speaker 1: on the story was because they couldn't figure it out

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Speaker 1: amongst themselves. Wait, you know a reporter they got to

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Speaker 1: call from someone in the Trump White House asked get

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Speaker 1: who the source for the reporter was? Exactly, Yes, that's

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Speaker 1: where we are. That's the state of DC right now.

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Speaker 1: Oh my, okay, that's that's interesting to know. Perhaps perhaps

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Speaker 1: a little bit in selling. But what do you think

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Speaker 1: about Trump implying in a tweet that that Yates was

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Speaker 1: the leaker? I see this is also up on Delhi

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Speaker 1: clarud dot com. I gotta say, I think it's a

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01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: little that. I don't think the president should be implying

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Speaker 1: criminal guilt for somebody without any judicial proceeding to pack

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Speaker 1: it up. Exactly. That's a really serious claim to make.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're focusing enough on now because there's

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Speaker 1: so much going on right now. But he isn't is

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Speaker 1: accusing a former d o J official of a felony

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Speaker 1: by leaking classified information to the Washington Post. Now today

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Speaker 1: at her hearing, they Saliate his asked if she's ever

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01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: been the source for anything like that, or for the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post specifically, and she said no under oath, So

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Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see all that happened. Trump also

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01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: said that the real story from today was that there's

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01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: no collusion between the Trump campaign and that the media

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01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: didn't focus on that, which is completely opposite of what

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Speaker 1: James Clapper said during his testimony today. We Clapper said.

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Speaker 1: Clapper said no, that he didn't know about any but

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Speaker 1: Yate said, I can't answer that because it's classified. And

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to construe in my head why the

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Speaker 1: answer to that question in and of itself would be classified.

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01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: Maybe the sources for the answer would be classified, but

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Speaker 1: just the answer to me, I'm not sure I buy that.

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Speaker 1: I know everyone's like, oh, she says it's classified. Um,

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Speaker 1: I actually know something about what's classified and what's not.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure that she can hide behind that

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Speaker 1: when the answer is that straight. Clapper said no, So

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Speaker 1: is he exposing something that's no, He's just answering a

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Speaker 1: straightforward question, right. She did say that, she said that was,

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Speaker 1: you know, her restriction because that's what James Comb James

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01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: Comby said when he testified earlier, and that she was

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Speaker 1: following the dj guidelines on that and that's why she

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01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 1: don't want to say yes or no. But she did clarify.

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Speaker 1: Of course, a lot of people missed this. She did

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01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: clarify later on that her answer should not be a

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Speaker 1: presumption that there is evidence. It should not be read

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01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: as anything like that. Yeah, so she's pulling the she

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01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: can neither confirm nor deny. I would I think that

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01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: I would want to ask her if I were a senator,

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Speaker 1: at what point will the FBI, at what point will

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01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: they confirm or deny whether there's any evidence of collusion?

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01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 1: Because the American people have a right to know. And

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01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: if this investigation is going to extend for two or

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01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: three years and at the end of it were told

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01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: that actually we never had any events of collusion, Uh,

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01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: that to me would be a real miscarriage of justice.

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm I'm I'm punditing here and not really

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01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: throwing you a question, Caitlin, But I'm just I'm just

1149
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: furious about this now. I think you'd make a great point.

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01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: We'll probably find out somewhere closer to who knows, But

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01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: it is interesting. We would like to know, the American

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01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: people would like to know to put it to rest.

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Speaker 1: But I do think at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: the people who supported Hillary Clinton the election will always

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01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: think that there's a collusion between Trump and Russia, and

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01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: the people who supported Donald Trump in the election will

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01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: always think that that's a fake media story. I don't

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Speaker 1: think even if there were solid evidence late out tomorrow

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01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: either way, that those people would be convinced about it.

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Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely true. If if if Yates had

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Speaker 1: come out today and said, for example, no, there's no

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Speaker 1: evidence of any kind, you would see all the media

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01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: the immediate media outlets story would be well, investigation continues

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01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: because we know it's there, like it would It's never

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Speaker 1: over exactly, and it's a good way to sum it

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Speaker 1: all up. Caitlin Collins, the Daily Callers White House reporter, Caitlin,

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Speaker 1: great to have you stopped by the Freedom How thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. Thanks Buck Tam. We are going to

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Speaker 1: hit a break and we'll be right back. Stay with you.

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Speaker 1: Just one more thing from today's exchange between well the

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Speaker 1: hearings with the South former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates

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Speaker 1: and Ted Cruz, Senator Cruise, they had there was a

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Speaker 1: little bit of back and forth here on the travel band.

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Speaker 1: Remember Yates was the one who did a little grandstanding

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01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: thing about I will not enforce Trump's travel travel band.

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Speaker 1: It's really a temporary restriction on travel for people from

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Speaker 1: six countries based upon the assessment made by the Executive

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Speaker 1: Branch that those individuals have a disproportionate possibility of being

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Speaker 1: somehow involved in extremism which would be a threat to

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Speaker 1: the homeland. I e. Trump is like, Yo, let's slow

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Speaker 1: down with some of these places because there could be

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Speaker 1: some dangerous terrorists people coming in. So let's just chill

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Speaker 1: ax for a bit. But no, unacceptable, unacceptable, we were

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Speaker 1: told by Sally Yates, and so Ted Cruise and her

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01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 1: had a little exchange Ted Cruise. Haven't heard much from

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Speaker 1: Ted recently. Well, here heard from today. I looked at this,

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Speaker 1: I made a determination that I believed that it was unlawful.

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Speaker 1: I also thought that it was inconsistent with the principles

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Speaker 1: of the Department of Justice, and I said no. And

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Speaker 1: that's what I promised you I would do, and that's

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01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: what I did. So what happened here was Cruise read

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Speaker 1: from the following statutory authorization for the President. Whenever the

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Speaker 1: President finds that the entry of any alien or of

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01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: any class of aliens into the United States would be

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Speaker 1: detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may

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Speaker 1: buy proclamation and for such period as he shall deem necessary,

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Speaker 1: suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of

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Speaker 1: aliens as immigrants or non immigrants, or impose on the

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Speaker 1: entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem appropriate. I e.

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Speaker 1: If the President says, I guess, stop saying I E. Sorry.

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Speaker 1: In other words, if the President says, I think that

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Speaker 1: people from UH from the the Lost Island of Atlantis

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01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: are a danger to this country, he can suspend entry

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01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:55,600
Speaker 1: because their non citizens, they don't have a right to

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01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 1: be here. He can suspend entry for UH well, as

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Speaker 1: long as he wants. Really and Cruise asked, would you

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Speaker 1: agree that this is broad statutory authorization? Yates responded, I would,

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Speaker 1: and I am familiar with that. And I'm also familiar

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Speaker 1: with an additional provision of the I n A that

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Speaker 1: says no person shall receive preference or be discriminated against

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Speaker 1: an issuance of a visa because of race, nationality, or

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Speaker 1: place of birth. That I believe was prominent promulgated after

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Speaker 1: statue you just quoted. Um, Okay, well that's nonsense. Let's

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Speaker 1: just step after it. If she's going to contend that

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Speaker 1: that on its own means that there can be no

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Speaker 1: preference in issuing visas. Uh. Really, is it easier to

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Speaker 1: get a visa from uh, from the United Kingdom or

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Speaker 1: from from Iran? I mean, this is such a stupid

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Speaker 1: response from this woman who's supposed to be a very

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Speaker 1: talented and accomplished lawyer. Uh, there can be no discrimination

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Speaker 1: based on race, nationality, or place of birth. Of course,

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Speaker 1: we make distinctions about visas. We have a visa waiver program,

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Speaker 1: for example. That would seem to be a pretty big distinction.

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Speaker 1: Some countries, miss Yates, are part of the visa waiver program,

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Speaker 1: some are not. It is based on the country they

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Speaker 1: are from. So really, this is this is this is

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Speaker 1: the best the Obama administration could do. This woman was

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Speaker 1: second in command at the Department of Justice. Wow. Um.

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Speaker 1: And then she went on to say so anyway, so

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Speaker 1: reading that off as though that settles it. Well, there

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01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: can be no uh no preference um in issuance of

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Speaker 1: a visa because of race, nationality, or place of birth. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's not that. That's an violation of any number of

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Speaker 1: current statutes and practices for for immigrants and our world

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Speaker 1: for visas into the country. So now that we've dispensed

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Speaker 1: with that nonsense, that was fun buck slap um uh,

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Speaker 1: let's go on to the next one here where she

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Speaker 1: said it was a constitution. But my concern was not

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Speaker 1: an I n A concern here because she read she

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Speaker 1: read from an eye and or she you know, read

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Speaker 1: from an i n A statute Immigration National Naturalization Act.

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Speaker 1: I've seen the i n A is what that's what

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Speaker 1: that is. It was rather a constitutional concern whether or

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Speaker 1: not the executive order here violated the Constitution, specifically with

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Speaker 1: the Establishment clause and equal protection and due process. Not

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01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: this woman again, senior lawyer in the Department of Justice,

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01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: seems to think that non citizens have have due process

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01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 1: rights to come into the United States. That's quite a

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01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,759
Speaker 1: leap um. And we've talked before on this show about

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01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: how that just falls down. I think I think with

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01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: even preliminary scrutiny. It's just nonsensical, as was her contention

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Speaker 1: that where you're from, what country you're from, has no

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Speaker 1: bearing on whether you get a visa or not. Really,

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Speaker 1: I mean, does does anybody really believe that North Korea

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Speaker 1: has a has a harder or easier time getting a visa?

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01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 1: A North Korean has an harder easier time getting visa

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01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,799
Speaker 1: in this country than say, somebody from you know, England.

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Speaker 1: So clearly what she just said was nonsense. Okay, and

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01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: I know I've already made that point, but just she's

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01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 1: she's in a hearing before the Senate and she's saying

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01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 1: something that is dumb um and then to say that

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Speaker 1: the establishment clauses viol How is the establishment clause violated

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Speaker 1: if it's because these are predominantly Muslim countries that she

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01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: not entirely Muslim countries by the way, but predominantly Muslim

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Speaker 1: countries that she's referring to. Uh, well, there's a small

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Speaker 1: percentage overall of Muslim countries around the world. That a

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01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 1: small percentage overall of the Muslim population. So someone we

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Speaker 1: need to explain to me how Again, this brings us

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Speaker 1: back to how it could be a Muslim ban if

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Speaker 1: it doesn't in fact, banned Muslims. Banned some Muslims. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well that's a banned some nationalities. Actually doesn't ban Muslims. Um.

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Speaker 1: But this was I thought a worthwhile moment to see

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Speaker 1: that this is what the left really believes here. Um.

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Speaker 1: They are very dedicated to this idea, um that no

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Speaker 1: matter what the statute says. Now that Trump and this

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Speaker 1: comes up in the context of what I was gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about next, which is that now you've got judges

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Speaker 1: looking at Trump's executive order in in the appeals court. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This from CNN today. The Trump administration defended its travel

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Speaker 1: ban in a federal court on Monday against accusations that

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Speaker 1: it discriminates against Muslims. He President Trump made it clear

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Speaker 1: he was not talking about Muslims all over the world.

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Speaker 1: That's why it's not a Muslim band, Geoffrey Wall, the

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Speaker 1: acting Solicitor General, told a dozen federal judges in the

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Speaker 1: Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia. Hearing comes

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Speaker 1: about two months after federal judge in Maryland imposed the

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Speaker 1: nationwide Hall to the core portion of the President's revised

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Speaker 1: the executive order that sought to bar for are foreign

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Speaker 1: nationals from six majority Muslim countries from entering the US

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Speaker 1: for ninety days UM. And so it goes ten of

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Speaker 1: the fifteen active judges in the quarter are either Clinton

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Speaker 1: or Obama. Pointees, that's not a good sign. And CNN

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Speaker 1: has learned that at least one of the more reliably

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Speaker 1: conservative votes is off the table, which means the overall

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Speaker 1: composition of the left leaning court could determine the outcome.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, there's nothing. By the way, what does it

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Speaker 1: mean when a an executive branch can't get an order

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Speaker 1: through not based on what the order is, but based

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Speaker 1: on the animosity that judges have for the person signing

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Speaker 1: the order, in this case, the President United States? Where

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Speaker 1: does that stop and start? Because as we understand, even

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Speaker 1: the second iteration of the travel band, which is what

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Speaker 1: is now being looked at in the appeals court, UM,

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Speaker 1: the second iteration is very clear in that it does

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Speaker 1: not it is not a Muslim a Muslim band. End.

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Speaker 1: And Yet, because Trump has said things in the past,

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Speaker 1: including on the campaign, that some of these judges don't like,

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Speaker 1: they're just going to say that it's been implied or

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Speaker 1: it has to be a Muslim band because Trump signed it. Uh,

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Speaker 1: this is troubling stuff. Um, this is a very well

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Speaker 1: you know I feel about this. I've talked about it before.

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Speaker 1: They're they're just they hate Trump, and judges are the

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Speaker 1: last refuge of the left in their efforts to stop

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration from getting policy through right. Judges of

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Speaker 1: the final line of leftist defense, because remember, they don't

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01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: need all the judges, They just need a judge of

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Speaker 1: federal judge to slow things down and mess things up.

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Speaker 1: And by the time it gets to the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 1: you know, we'll be thinking about the mid terms. Uh,

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Speaker 1: eight four four five, I do want to talk to

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Speaker 1: you a bit about healthcare and then Afghanistan. Buck sextond

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Speaker 1: with America. Now the Freedom Hut is fired up as

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Speaker 1: Team Buck assembles shoulder to shoulder, shields high call in

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Speaker 1: eight four four Bug. That's eight four four two A

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Speaker 1: to five. So this is a rescue mission to make

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Speaker 1: sure that we can achieve the goals we all want,

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Speaker 1: which is getting the cost of coverage down and making

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Speaker 1: sure that everyone has access to affordable healthcare, especially in

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Speaker 1: including people with pre existing conditions. That is what our

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Speaker 1: bill does healthcare. Okay, so last week the House passed

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Speaker 1: the healthcare bill. We talked about it here, you know,

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Speaker 1: all about that all right, has to go through the Senate,

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Speaker 1: or the Senate might do its own bill. This is

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Speaker 1: still just in the process of happening. Nothing really has happened.

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Speaker 1: Yet you have a Democrats running around saying that this

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Speaker 1: is going to kill people. This isn't This is a

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Speaker 1: new time in politics where people are just blatantly lying

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Speaker 1: and essentially producing policies are going to kill people's too.

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Speaker 1: Paul Ryan has absolutely no morals when it comes to

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Speaker 1: what he hopes to bring in terms of health insurance.

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Speaker 1: He's more focused on making sure that one percent gets

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Speaker 1: their tax cut than to make sure that Americans have

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Speaker 1: lower premiums and more coverage. Uh. You know, we've heard

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Speaker 1: in politics all the time that you're robbing Peter to

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Speaker 1: pay Paul. This instance, we're essentially gonna be killing Peter

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Speaker 1: to make sure that Paul gets his tax cut. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Republicans are killing people, you see, That's that's what the

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Speaker 1: Democrat line of attacker. He's not the only one. You

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Speaker 1: had Elizabeth Warren tweeting out some hysterical nonsense about how

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Speaker 1: this was a life and death issue for uh, for

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Speaker 1: you know, in this. Of course, all health care is

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Speaker 1: life and death right, but that this is gonna kill

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Speaker 1: people will die because of this. Um, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: People are gonna die because of the Republican bill. This

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Speaker 1: is what we are being told about all of this.

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Speaker 1: And I'm here to tell you that both sides aren't

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Speaker 1: being straight with you on healthcare, Republicans and Democrats. Democrats

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01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 1: are obviously full of hyperbole and they're lying, and they're

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Speaker 1: acting like a little spoiled brats who have had their

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Speaker 1: favorite toy taken away. Oh, Obamacare is no longer what

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Speaker 1: it was, although it's not repealed, so, but Obamacare is

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Speaker 1: not what it was. But Paul Ryan, who I think

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Speaker 1: is well intentioned, is in reality playing the Democrats game here,

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Speaker 1: which is that they're trying to figure there. They're trying

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Speaker 1: to offer a better version of what the Democrats offered

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Speaker 1: with Obamacare, instead of a fundamentally different approach to healthcare,

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Speaker 1: one that is market based. What's happened here is that

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Speaker 1: the Republicans have Republicans have conceded that healthcare is a right,

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Speaker 1: and Republicans are now in the business of giving everybody

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Speaker 1: health insurance, and they figure the coverage thing will have

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Speaker 1: to just work itself out. This is a basic issue

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Speaker 1: of supply and demand. They can give you as many

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Speaker 1: pieces of paper as they want that say, you're entitled

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Speaker 1: to X or and tell the why. But if there's

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Speaker 1: no one to provide X or Y for you, whether

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Speaker 1: it's UH, you know, a ton selectomy or heart surgery,

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Speaker 1: you're out of luck. And this doesn't deal with the

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Speaker 1: mechanisms of the market. It may be does a better

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Speaker 1: job of that than Obamacare, but this is not a

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Speaker 1: free market healthcare plan. What we've seen happen though, is

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Speaker 1: this is all just turned into a series of battling

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Speaker 1: personal anecdotes UM and whoever can tell them. And this

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Speaker 1: of course came up with Jimmy Kimmel, who told a

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Speaker 1: very compelling personal story on UH National TV UM about

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Speaker 1: what happened to his newborn child. Totally on, totally sympathize

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Speaker 1: and understand where he's coming from on that. But one

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Speaker 1: individual story is not how you make policy. Ah. And

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Speaker 1: this starts to sound a little bit cold, I think

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Speaker 1: to some people. But you'll notice the Democrats will tell

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Speaker 1: stories of people that lost coverage or have had a

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Speaker 1: more difficult time as a result of UH well, they'll

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Speaker 1: say that people have been saved because of Obamacare, and

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Speaker 1: now they're going to run all these stories with people

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Speaker 1: that have had a terrible time because of what the

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Speaker 1: Republicans are trying to do. They haven't even done it yet.

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Speaker 1: It's not even a law. UM. But you have here

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Speaker 1: a woman named Eileen Benthall who has a daughter who

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Speaker 1: suffers from a congenital brain disease, and she says the

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Speaker 1: Affordable Care Act. Well, I will play the clip for you.

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Speaker 1: The reality is for us, UM, it's been being out

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Speaker 1: in the midst of a natural disaster navigating through the

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Speaker 1: insurance markets. UM. Since the enactment of Obamacare, health insurance

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01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 1: premiums have sky pocketed and the networks are shrinking, and

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Speaker 1: that's been really difficult. Even UM a couple of times

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Speaker 1: we had to change insurance companies, we were dropped again.

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Speaker 1: We had very limited networks that we could participate in. UM.

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Speaker 1: It really made our life much more difficult. So it's

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Speaker 1: made lives more difficult, it has cost people more money.

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Speaker 1: There are whenever the government enters into a marketplace and

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Speaker 1: it's picking winners and losers, Well, then that's exactly what's

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Speaker 1: happening there. Are winners and there are losers. There are

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Speaker 1: people that will gain more from the government action, there

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Speaker 1: are people that will suffer more from the government action.

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Speaker 1: The promise of Obamacare is the big lie of Obamacare,

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Speaker 1: which is that they can cover more people with better

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Speaker 1: health care at less cost. That's just not true. It's

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Speaker 1: never it has never been true, and it will not

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Speaker 1: be true. And the only way that they are able

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Speaker 1: to even pretend that this mirage will continue would be

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Speaker 1: with lots of infusions of tag pay or cash and

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Speaker 1: then just pretend that well, that's not No one's really

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Speaker 1: paying forth with the taxpayers paying for it. That's and

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01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: that's a basic strategy of the Democratic Party. If it's

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Speaker 1: taxpayer cash, well then no big deal because no one

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Speaker 1: really feels where that comes from, and if they do,

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Speaker 1: they're rich people, right. The class warfare rhetoric comes fast

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Speaker 1: and furious on this stuff. So, uh, the Republicans don't

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Speaker 1: have a much better answer yet that we can believe

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Speaker 1: that Trump. We can believe that Trump is right when

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Speaker 1: he says that there'll be a great healthcare build down

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Speaker 1: the line and that this is just a first generation

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Speaker 1: of it. But um, I don't see any reason to

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Speaker 1: think that's the case, because we've conceded some essential points here,

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Speaker 1: and I'm still a little uh agitated. Other words I

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Speaker 1: would use, but we're on radio here. I'm still agitated

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Speaker 1: over the abandonment of repeal in your place and the

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Speaker 1: adoption of modify and amend for Obamacare, which is what's

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Speaker 1: happening here. This is a modification. This is not a

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01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:09,919
Speaker 1: complete overturning. This is not a rejection of the underlying

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Speaker 1: premise of Obamacare. And it continues the untruth, the dishonest

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Speaker 1: approach of telling everyone that we can give them great

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Speaker 1: health care that won't cost them very much. You see,

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01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: for the market to really work in time, I think

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01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 1: healthcare would be more efficient and more expensive, but we'd

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01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 1: have to go through a period. We'd have to wean

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Speaker 1: ourselves off of government mandates and government regulations in healthcare

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01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 1: and the structure of insurance that that stands right now.

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Speaker 1: We would have to go through a period of pain.

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Speaker 1: And no one ever wants to be the politician that says, Okay,

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Speaker 1: well now it's now it's eat your peace time. Now

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01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 1: it's time to do the painful, difficult stuff. This is

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Speaker 1: also true of dealing with our debt, right, we see

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01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 1: this on a whole bunch of issues. What're Pulicans aren't

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Speaker 1: even pretending right now, They're just saying, yeah, sure, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna give you this. We're gonna give you a better

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Speaker 1: version of Obamacare. That's what This is a better version

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Speaker 1: of Obamacare, and it leaves untouched some of the fundamental

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Speaker 1: problems of Obamacare. They say that later on, maybe we'll

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Speaker 1: be able to buy insurance over state lines. And they

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Speaker 1: say that, Um, that's something that will happen until a

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Speaker 1: Republican or until the Republican Party or the people at

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Speaker 1: least that are the leadership, are willing to look the

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Speaker 1: American look at the American people on TV. We know

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Speaker 1: a lot of those famous Republicans love to do their

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Speaker 1: TV spots on cable news, look at American people and say, um,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna make it so that anyone can buy insurance

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Speaker 1: the plan you buys, the plan you buy, emergency or

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01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 1: life saving care will be covered in emergency rooms or

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Speaker 1: hospitals as it already is, so no one can know.

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Speaker 1: No one can be left down the street and die

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Speaker 1: because they need health care, but in an emergency situation

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Speaker 1: or a life saving situation. But if you choose not

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Speaker 1: to get insurance, at some point you're going to go bankrupt.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you or at least you run the

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Speaker 1: risk of going bankrupt if you choose not to have insurance,

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Speaker 1: you know it can be there can be a financial penalty.

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Speaker 1: Unless there is a penalty. We saw this when we

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Speaker 1: talked when we talked about Wall Street, right, people said, oh,

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Speaker 1: look at what happened with Wall Street. They got bailed

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01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:23,799
Speaker 1: up with a taxpayer. There's no moral there's no moral hazard.

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01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 1: And and because they don't feel the pain for their

1482
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 1: sins they get the upside and off the downside, they

1483
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: won't change their behavior. Understandable and true, by the way,

1484
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 1: But if you can get away with not having insurance,

1485
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 1: if it doesn't really matter, if you can always just

1486
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:39,640
Speaker 1: buy it, or the government will have to give you

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01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 1: some form of insurance on the spot, because we decide

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01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: that's the way it's gonna be. Um, people are gonna

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01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: choose not to have it, and terrible things will happen

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01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 1: to some people. Health things will happen to some people

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01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: that don't that choose not to get insurance. And then

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01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 1: we get to a place where we say, okay, we

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01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 1: will treat you, but you know you're gonna have to

1494
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 1: declare bankruptcy and this is gonna be financially pain for you. Um.

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01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:05,640
Speaker 1: You know you'll be treated. But otherwise what we have

1496
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 1: is well some halfway form of single pair. We've we've

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01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 1: got the government stepping in and involving itself in the

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01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 1: market and all these different capacities, and ultimately, by the

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01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: way as it stands right now, you might be even

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01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 1: if you have insurance, you might not be able to

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01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: see the doctor that you need to to save your life.

1502
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 1: You might not be able to get that. Um, you

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01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:31,639
Speaker 1: might not be able to get that life saving care

1504
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 1: or that care that you really want in time. Even

1505
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 1: with insurance. Scarcity is a reality of the market. You know,

1506
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 1: the best, the best heart surgeons in the country are

1507
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: not going to be available to everybody just because the

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01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 1: government says everybody has great health care. No one wants

1509
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 1: talk about that. But then you get the other side

1510
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 1: of this, where you have people that are now saying

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01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 1: they're openly pushing for single pair, which I can understand

1512
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 1: because if if both Republicans and Democrats are like, look,

1513
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 1: everybody gets insurance, everybody gets covered, Nobody can pay that

1514
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 1: much more than anybody else, and we're gonna be in

1515
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 1: the ensuring everybody and giving everybody health care game. It

1516
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 1: starts to sound a lot like, well, why not just

1517
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 1: do single pair? Right, You can understand why somebody would

1518
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 1: come to that conclusion. Here is a clip that went

1519
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 1: viral over the weekend of somebody at a town hall

1520
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: for Representative Tom Reid making a speech about just that.

1521
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 1: Four times the pride and for for single payer. We

1522
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 1: had to get the profit, yes, and that's why he leads,

1523
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,719
Speaker 1: we have vollies, we have lives. We are not property.

1524
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 1: Tel that's how you bored. We We are not. We

1525
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 1: are in the care of this for all of us,

1526
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 1: for a profit on your bag, and your bag here

1527
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 1: deserves single fair health care right now, you're very careful

1528
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 1: what you wish for. First of all, single payer, in

1529
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 1: the context of the v A is already choosing a

1530
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 1: very small subset of the broader US population to whom

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01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 1: health care is owed. It is not given as some

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01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:56,560
Speaker 1: form of charity. It is owed as part of the

1533
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:58,839
Speaker 1: bargain of going to serve your country in the armed forces.

1534
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 1: Va AS problems. As we know, we've talked about this

1535
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 1: on my show, and obviously you've seen it all over

1536
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 1: the place with the lists of those who are waiting

1537
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 1: and the mouthfeasance that's gone on at the v A.

1538
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 1: Some some people have a good experience of the v A.

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01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 1: I've heard from them. Some people have a terrible experience

1540
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:20,760
Speaker 1: of the v A. I've heard from those veterans as well.

1541
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:26,320
Speaker 1: But this all also fails to recognize that the uh,

1542
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 1: the biggest problem for our budget in the place where

1543
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 1: we're spending the most money, in the place where there's

1544
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 1: the greatest expenditure beyond our means, is in Medicare, which

1545
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 1: is single pair right. Medicare is the government paying for

1546
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 1: healthcare for people who are sixty five and older. And

1547
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 1: that's what it's just exploding the yearly deficit, and that's

1548
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:50,680
Speaker 1: what is making the debt now just continue to rock

1549
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 1: it into the stratosphere. Does anyone think that that wouldn't

1550
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:57,760
Speaker 1: be How much can you compound that problem before you

1551
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:01,560
Speaker 1: completely collapse the U S economy? UH, single payer and

1552
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 1: countries that have it. You look at the United Kingdom

1553
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 1: and UH, they have enormous problems just keeping it funded.

1554
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 1: And and also I would want to know, okay, single

1555
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 1: payer for everybody? So does that mean that I get

1556
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 1: to playing out the situation in your head is often

1557
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 1: a very valuable experience. So if we go to single

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01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 1: let's just say that Bernie Sanders wins. Let's say we

1559
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:26,680
Speaker 1: go to we go to single pair Sander's style, and

1560
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 1: we have the government paying for everything. So if I

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01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 1: find out that I have a hard condition, do I

1562
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 1: get to pick the uh, most reputable and most sought

1563
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 1: after surgeon in the you know, on the East coast

1564
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:41,840
Speaker 1: here in New York City, and and he gets to

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01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 1: do my surgery and the government is gonna pay for it.

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01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 1: What is that surgeon gonna make, by the way, under

1567
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:49,600
Speaker 1: a single pair regime? Side note, I mean, I know

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01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 1: we don't like to we don't like to think of

1569
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 1: the profit motive in medicine. But there's a reason why

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01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 1: you want to have your heart surgery. You want to

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01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 1: have a major surgery in the US and not some

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01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 1: other country that makes it free, right every Why Why

1573
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 1: did the Saudi Saudi royal family when they want to

1574
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:11,600
Speaker 1: get a heart transplant or something to do they go

1575
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 1: to one of these European countries they come to America

1576
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 1: generally speaking? Yeah, um, so it's just a question of

1577
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 1: where the scarcity falls and what we're willing to give

1578
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: everybody versus what we know is is going to be

1579
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:28,680
Speaker 1: in in short supply. And all right, well, I know

1580
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 1: we're talking all about healthcare. We'll do a little more

1581
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 1: on the flip side, and then we'll get into Afghanistan

1582
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 1: and some other stuff. So stay with me. I keep saying,

1583
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to spend more time on automation and what

1584
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 1: it's going to do in the realm of jobs, um.

1585
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 1: And I think this will be a continuing, uh, you know,

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01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 1: continuing storyline that we hit. I read a piece over

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01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 1: the weekend about Uber, which some of you may use.

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01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:03,600
Speaker 1: Some of you are like, I've heard of it, and

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01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 1: some of you are like, what's that Uber? Right now?

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01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 1: I think is the has the largest valuation of any

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01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:14,680
Speaker 1: private company, and I think in the world. I might

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01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:18,720
Speaker 1: be wrong with that, but it's like eighty billion dollar valuation,

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01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: um something like. It's it's astonishing how valuable the company is,

1594
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 1: at least theoretically on paper. And it creates a a

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01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 1: GPS based taxi ride or not taxi GPS based rideshare

1596
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 1: service that's like a taxi that comes right to you.

1597
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,080
Speaker 1: But it's really just somebody in their car who's also

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01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:41,680
Speaker 1: linked up on Uber on their smartphone. And it's incredible,

1599
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 1: incredible technology, and it I use it all the time.

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01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 1: I think it's great. I go into a city. Now,

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01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 1: one of my least favorite things about visiting some of

1602
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 1: the many, many wonderful cities of this country would or

1603
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:57,720
Speaker 1: just areas of this country, would be when I arrive

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01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 1: at the airport, gotta get the rental car. Rental car companies,

1605
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 1: for me, are only slightly less heinous than airlines. I

1606
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 1: cannot stand dealing with rental car companies and and all

1607
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 1: the just of the stuff they do too. Oh do

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01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 1: you want the special insurance they can try to, you know,

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01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 1: jack up your price with you know, if you get

1610
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 1: in an accident, you give us forty bucks. You know

1611
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 1: you've got no problem. But if you otherwise anyway, and

1612
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 1: people say whole book, well that's it's for yeah, but

1613
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 1: there it's it's it's scaremongering. I mean, one are the

1614
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 1: chances in the one day or in the rental car

1615
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:29,639
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a fender bender? Um, it's one. If

1616
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 1: they make a ton of money off that. By the way, anyway,

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01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't like rental car companies. If you work for one,

1618
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 1: God bless, it's honest work. But in general the way

1619
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 1: that they operate, I am not a fan uh and

1620
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:43,560
Speaker 1: Uber is well. Uber is mostly a problem for taxis.

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01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 1: In fact, when I was in Puerto Rico, I was

1622
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 1: unfortunately up close and personal with the Well, they have

1623
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:52,839
Speaker 1: a lot of problems with Puerto Rico right now islands

1624
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 1: bankrupt um. But it's a US territory, by the way. Uh.

1625
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 1: But Uber and taxis are in a street battle, sometimes literally,

1626
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:08,800
Speaker 1: because they want to regulate out um they wanna well,

1627
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 1: the taxi drivers essentially are saying, you've got to give

1628
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:13,759
Speaker 1: us a car. This is a cartel as a monopoly.

1629
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 1: You can't allow competition from Uber because they're going to

1630
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 1: crush us. And sometimes that then turns violent because there

1631
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 1: are some taxi drivers who just don't wanna Whenever they

1632
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 1: see Uber pulling up anyway, you can imagine they see

1633
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:27,959
Speaker 1: Uber pulling up and they feel like their their livelihood

1634
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 1: is threatened. I understand why they react in the way

1635
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:32,680
Speaker 1: they do, but the real response should be, well, look,

1636
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 1: people should just start driving Ubers instead of thinking that

1637
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 1: their government's going to protect their monopoly on a on

1638
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:40,800
Speaker 1: a service that they shouldn't have a monopoly on um.

1639
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:45,840
Speaker 1: But what happens in the future when you get to

1640
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,719
Speaker 1: uh self driving cars which is now a few years away.

1641
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 1: This isn't like flying cars, which I think are much

1642
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:55,560
Speaker 1: much further away than people even they're saying today. But

1643
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 1: self driving cars are are getting closer, and you probably

1644
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:01,760
Speaker 1: three or four years out from a real rollout of

1645
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:04,719
Speaker 1: self driving cars. What's going to happen All the people

1646
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 1: that make a living in the transportation business, including by

1647
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 1: the way, long haul trucking maybe affected by this, But

1648
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:15,720
Speaker 1: taxis what happens when you have a fleet of self

1649
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 1: driving cars? What do all those workers do across the country?

1650
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 1: And this piece was saying, well, Uber is going to

1651
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 1: have to go from being a software company to teaming

1652
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 1: up with a carmaker like GM or a servant or

1653
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 1: a major carmaker like that to have a fleet of

1654
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 1: self driving cars. But I still am left with the

1655
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:34,679
Speaker 1: question what happens to people that are making a living

1656
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 1: driving cars? He spreads freedom because freedom is not gonna

1657
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 1: spread itself. Bug sext in his back Welcome Back Team too,

1658
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 1: very different news stories about Afghanistan right now that I

1659
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 1: wanted to spend some time talking to you about. As

1660
01:36:56,840 --> 01:37:00,760
Speaker 1: you know, we've been at war in Afghanistan for sixteen

1661
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:06,719
Speaker 1: plus years. This is the longest war in US history.

1662
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 1: And while we only have about nine thousand or so

1663
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 1: US troops officially deployed there, we have had well over

1664
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:20,479
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand in recent years. So there have been

1665
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 1: major efforts put in place by our military too well

1666
01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:32,679
Speaker 1: defeat the Taliban, stand up a sustainable and self defense

1667
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 1: capable Afghan government, and that we have not yet reached

1668
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 1: that stage. In fact, let me give you the two

1669
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 1: different stories and then we can talk a bit more

1670
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 1: about which one I think is more indicative of where

1671
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 1: the longest running conflict in US history is going. First,

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01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 1: you have Special Operations success. Now we know about the

1673
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 1: Moab strike. We know that that was a signal not

1674
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:02,959
Speaker 1: just to the Taliban and the Islamic State, that specific

1675
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 1: strike targeted the Islamic State, but it was as symbol

1676
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 1: to our enemies around the world that the Trump administration

1677
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 1: will take a different approach and the Obama administration, and

1678
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 1: that the approach will be whatever we have to do

1679
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 1: to defeat our enemies. We will do. We're not going

1680
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:21,799
Speaker 1: to worry about what the international press may say about

1681
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:28,200
Speaker 1: any specific issue. So we've seen some action taken by

1682
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 1: the Obama I mean by the Trump administration that the

1683
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:34,560
Speaker 1: Obama aministration was not willing to do um and we

1684
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:39,840
Speaker 1: now see the continued special operations success on the battlefield.

1685
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 1: This coming from the Wall Street Journal earlier today, or

1686
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:45,640
Speaker 1: this is from the BBC. Actually, the head of so

1687
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 1: called Islamic State in Afghanistan, Abdul Hasib, has been killed

1688
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 1: in a military raid. US and Afghan officials have said

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Speaker 1: he died ten days ago in a joint special forces

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Speaker 1: operation in eastern Nangaar Province. The U S Military said

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Speaker 1: Hasib is believed to have been behind marches attack on

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Speaker 1: a military hospital in Kabbal, killing at least fifty people.

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Speaker 1: That attack, I should note was so incredibly horrific, I

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Speaker 1: mean it was butchery. They had attackers who were reportedly

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Speaker 1: dressed as doctors or as employees of the hospital, walking

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Speaker 1: around to people in hospital beds, executing them with guns

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Speaker 1: as well as stabbing some to death. So the atrocities,

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Speaker 1: the up close and personal atrocities that members of the

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Speaker 1: Islamic State in Afghanistan, and for that matter, the Taliban

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Speaker 1: are willing to commit they really know no boundaries. So

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01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:47,680
Speaker 1: that attack I didn't think got the press and the

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Speaker 1: attention that it should have in this country, because we

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01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:52,840
Speaker 1: should be reminded of who we are fighting against. We

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Speaker 1: should be reminded of how depraved this enemy is. Um

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Speaker 1: And whenever I hear people saying, well, why it we

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01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 1: just negotiate a settlement with the Taliban, because the Taliban

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01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:07,680
Speaker 1: act like savages, because the Taliban our enemy, because the

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Speaker 1: Taliban are an Islamist jihadist cult of psychopaths who will

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Speaker 1: subjugate women, who will execute nonbelievers, and who will use

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Speaker 1: vicious force and destroy the life of the mind of

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Speaker 1: the Afghan people. No music, no reading, no nothing outside

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Speaker 1: of a very limited, narrow Taliban Islamic education and no expression,

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Speaker 1: no freedom. The Taliban is an Islamic totalitarian theocracy. There's

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Speaker 1: no freedom. So and we can say, well, bucket doesn't

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Speaker 1: really doesn't really affect us if the Taliban is in

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Speaker 1: power in some parts of the country. And we'll get

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Speaker 1: into this more in a second. Well, the truth is,

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Speaker 1: we didn't think it affected us until nine eleven. That

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Speaker 1: was the old perspective. The new perspective is you allow

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Speaker 1: evil ji hottests anywhere around the world to seize control

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Speaker 1: of a state and to allow terrorist hie hottest actors

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Speaker 1: to have a symbiotic relationship with them in that state,

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Speaker 1: and you take risks and you will be subject to

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Speaker 1: the possible horrific consequences of those risks with mass casualty

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Speaker 1: terror attacks. So you have this reported in the BBC,

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Speaker 1: this special operations success taking out the head of isis Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: As I've told you, this is the Chorissan province of

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Speaker 1: the Islamic State. So the Islamic State uses the old

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Speaker 1: Ottoman Wilayat or province designation because the last caliphate before

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Speaker 1: the Islamic State was the Ottoman Empire, and they refer

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Speaker 1: to this area as Chorisson, which also ties into a

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Speaker 1: well known in Jihatta circles at least hadith about black

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Speaker 1: banners coming from Chorisson and the end of days. So

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Speaker 1: you read this special operations success story in the BBC

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Speaker 1: and you might think to yourself, Okay, well this is progress.

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Speaker 1: This is the counter terrorism operation strategy that has been

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Speaker 1: talked about. It has been uh deployed for many years

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Speaker 1: in Afghanistan, but we're taking out leadership that's useful. Problem is,

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01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 1: we've been doing this sort of thing for a long

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Speaker 1: time that the leadership losses that the Taliban and the

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Speaker 1: Islamic State take aren't certainly not sufficient to defeat these

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01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 1: organizations and in many cases aren't even sufficient to slow

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Speaker 1: them down substantially. So you have this piece about a

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Speaker 1: special operations raid. We have U S troops in harm's way.

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Speaker 1: Very likely, based on the testimony of the U. S

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Speaker 1: General UH, commanding general for US forces in Afghanistan, it's

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Speaker 1: very likely that general, according to what General Nicholson has

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Speaker 1: been saying, that we will have more US troops going

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Speaker 1: to Afghanistan UH in the months ahead, trying to shore

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Speaker 1: up the government there. And let's get into the why.

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Speaker 1: This is a piece in the Wall Street Journal. Taliban

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01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:13,800
Speaker 1: broadened their reach by well, this is not what the

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Speaker 1: journal says, but what I'm saying. The Taliban broaden their

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Speaker 1: reach and villages across Afghanistan. That's the title here. But

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01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:22,240
Speaker 1: they're acting as the government. This is my analysis of this.

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Speaker 1: They're acting as the government in some places, the Taliban

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Speaker 1: in Afghanistan. Right now, my friends, we have had our

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Speaker 1: troops fighting in Afghanistan now for over sixteen years, and

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Speaker 1: about a third of the country depending on the estimates

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Speaker 1: you read, about a third of the country is under

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Speaker 1: Taliban control. The Taliban or at least contested control. The

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Speaker 1: Taliban is providing electricity, it is administering schools. Is all

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Speaker 1: from this Wall Street Journal report. Um, they here's here's

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Speaker 1: one paragraph I wanted to read you. The insurgents, once

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Speaker 1: focused on waging guerilla war from strongholds and opium rich

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Speaker 1: provinces like Helmond, are now emerging in a swath of

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Speaker 1: districts to fill a governance vacuum, leftist foreign troops to part.

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Speaker 1: As a result, millions of Afghans are once again having

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Speaker 1: to adapt to life under Taliban rule. The Taliban wielded

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Speaker 1: significant control over eight point four million Afghans, almost a

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Speaker 1: third of the population, at the end of up from

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Speaker 1: five million a year earlier, according to a United Nations report.

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Speaker 1: A confidential United Nations report viewed by The Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 1: The report showed that the territory over which the insurance

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01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 1: surgeons have significant influence or control increase from thirty to

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Speaker 1: forty percent of the country over the same period, and

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Speaker 1: then it goes into some details about what this means.

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Speaker 1: There are some places, for example, where the Taliban is

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Speaker 1: such a a presence and has so much control that

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01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 1: families are hedging their bets. There are brothers who are

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01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:02,160
Speaker 1: joining the Taliban, and there are brothers who are joining

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01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:06,439
Speaker 1: the local police. And it's not about loyalty, and it's

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01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:09,000
Speaker 1: not about a difference in ideology necessarily within the family.

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01:45:09,080 --> 01:45:11,439
Speaker 1: It's they just don't know which side is gonna win,

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Speaker 1: so they want to have people playing both sides of this.

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Speaker 1: You still have narcotics as a very important source of

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Speaker 1: income for the Taliban opium sales um, which for the

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Speaker 1: insurgents alone, we're about four hundred million dollars according to

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Speaker 1: the estimate here, the un estimate that the Wall Street

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Speaker 1: Journal has access to. But they also have other means,

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Speaker 1: and this is classic insurgency operation. They have other means

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Speaker 1: of raising funds. We see this in We saw this

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Speaker 1: in in Iraq, and this is standard operating practice for insurgents. Extortion,

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Speaker 1: oftentimes as kidnapping, although kidnapping can sometimes turn the local

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01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:56,919
Speaker 1: population against you much more quickly, but extortion, especially extortion

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01:45:56,960 --> 01:46:01,200
Speaker 1: against telecommunications companies UH well as all businesses that are

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Speaker 1: operating in a Taliban controlled or contested area. But with

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01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 1: telecom companies, it's very straightforward, uh, And you either pay

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01:46:10,040 --> 01:46:14,519
Speaker 1: the Taliban or your cell tower gets bombed and is down.

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Speaker 1: And so you can pay, and that the government can

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01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:20,719
Speaker 1: tell you don't pay, don't pay, But if you don't,

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01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:23,080
Speaker 1: your cell tower gets bombed, and now you can't get

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01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 1: any revenue for an area and you have to rebuild

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01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 1: the cell tower. And oh, by the way, you also

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01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:31,400
Speaker 1: may have your employees at risk in that whole process. Um.

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01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:37,200
Speaker 1: And so the Taliban makes money through extortion operations. They also,

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01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:41,879
Speaker 1: according this journal piece, say that the Taliban will determine

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01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:44,400
Speaker 1: when there has to be a blackout for cell towers

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01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:48,320
Speaker 1: in a certain area because they don't want the cell

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Speaker 1: tower to be an operational risk for the Talibans. The

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01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 1: Taliban will say, hey, turn off all those cell towers.

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Speaker 1: We don't want anyone able to try and track us.

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Speaker 1: Quote when signals could give away their positions during operations

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Speaker 1: end quote. That's what they're talking about here. So that

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Speaker 1: shows a tremendous amount of of influence and control over

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01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:13,880
Speaker 1: parts of Afghanistan. And you have John Nicholson, the General

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Speaker 1: General John Nicholson saying that equilibrium favors the government. Look,

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Speaker 1: I understand the the attitude here of senior military, which

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01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:26,000
Speaker 1: is that, of course, we're we're making progress. For making progress,

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Speaker 1: I can tell you senior military U. S Military has

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Speaker 1: been saying we're making progress in Afghanistan for well, certainly

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Speaker 1: for the better part of all of the last eight years,

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Speaker 1: and I think you could say all the way back

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Speaker 1: to two thousand and one. And when you look at

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Speaker 1: the metrics, the metrics don't show the kind of progress

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Speaker 1: that we would want to see. But nobody wants to

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01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:50,519
Speaker 1: be the one who won contests that general with much

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01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 1: more access and whose troops are in harm's way day

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01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:55,760
Speaker 1: in and day out, and who clearly has a better

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01:47:56,439 --> 01:47:58,719
Speaker 1: view of what's on the ground and around the country.

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01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:01,599
Speaker 1: It's it's hard to it's hard to disagree with generals

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Speaker 1: in this case, and I don't want to disagree with

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Speaker 1: the general certainly has more access, information experience at all,

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01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:12,439
Speaker 1: but he's also in the midst of it, and it

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01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:16,080
Speaker 1: would be problematic for relations with the Afghan government for

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Speaker 1: a general to say, yeah, you know what, we just

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01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:20,040
Speaker 1: can't get this done at the current rate, we're losing

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01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:23,760
Speaker 1: ground and equilibrium favors the Taliban. I can't even say

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01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:26,560
Speaker 1: it's really equilibrium. I think that's being too generous to

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01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:29,040
Speaker 1: the situation on the ground. The reality here as I

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01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:32,000
Speaker 1: see it, is that the Taliban is taking back control

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01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:36,360
Speaker 1: of this country, slowly but surely. And how are we

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01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:38,120
Speaker 1: going to turn this around? Are we going to send

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Speaker 1: not just a few thousand US troops but tens of

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01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:44,160
Speaker 1: thousands of US troops? Why will that be different from

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01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:47,719
Speaker 1: the last time around? Because President obama strategy was flawed. Okay,

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01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:50,920
Speaker 1: but that alone, I don't think is enough to convince

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01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:53,800
Speaker 1: many of us who have been following Afghanistan's and and

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01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:58,479
Speaker 1: spend time in Afghanistan and no Afghanistan at one degree

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01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:01,680
Speaker 1: or another. That's not enough to convince us that the

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01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:05,720
Speaker 1: new strategy will work. So I see this, and you know, yes,

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Speaker 1: special operations success, Yes, the Moab strike, these are positive developments.

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01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:15,960
Speaker 1: But countrywide, with the Taliban, they are winning this fight

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01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:18,519
Speaker 1: right now, and we need to come to grips with

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01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:21,400
Speaker 1: that as a country because the troops that are over

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01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:26,680
Speaker 1: there are our soldiers representing US interests as part of

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01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:29,880
Speaker 1: a broader coalition of nations, and if we don't have

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01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:33,120
Speaker 1: our politicians that we elect, including the President United States,

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01:49:33,240 --> 01:49:37,280
Speaker 1: establishing a real strategy to win this fight and clear

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01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:40,280
Speaker 1: on what the parameters of that fight are, then we

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01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:42,599
Speaker 1: should tell ours to come home back to their families.

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01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:45,640
Speaker 1: That's that's where we should be on this, and Afghanistan

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01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:47,920
Speaker 1: should be getting a lot more attention than some the

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01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:51,040
Speaker 1: other nonsense I'm seeing right now in the media, including

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01:49:51,080 --> 01:49:53,439
Speaker 1: in conservative media, and we'll put it out there, including

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01:49:53,479 --> 01:49:56,519
Speaker 1: on the right. A lot of garbage being talked about

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01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:59,800
Speaker 1: these days. And we've got people that are fighting and dying.

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Speaker 1: We lost a couple recently as well. I should have

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01:50:02,439 --> 01:50:05,160
Speaker 1: mentioned that earlier on. I just going through my notes here.

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Speaker 1: We're still taking casualties there. What does the fight in

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Speaker 1: Afghanistan look like when we're done? How do we get there?

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Speaker 1: The conversations country needs to be having much more of

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Speaker 1: right now. All right, team, I'm gonna hit a break.

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Speaker 1: I'll be back with you right after. Stay with me.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to leave a bit of happy news

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Speaker 1: from the Trump administration off of what we're what we've

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Speaker 1: got going on today, So let me tell you a

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01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:37,519
Speaker 1: bit about the situation with judges let's talk about the

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Speaker 1: situation with judges for a minute, shall we. Uh. This

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Speaker 1: is from Fox News Today. President Trump agan is bid

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Speaker 1: Monday to reshape the makeup of the lower federal courts,

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01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:51,160
Speaker 1: with the White House announcing ten judicial nominees. It described

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01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:55,599
Speaker 1: as Trump's third wave of federal judicial appointments coming out

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Speaker 1: of its first one hundred days. Administration aims to build

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Speaker 1: on the successful confirmation of just Is Neil Gorset's to

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said

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Speaker 1: the nominees were all chosen for their deep knowledge of

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Speaker 1: the law and their commitment to upholding constitutional principles to

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Speaker 1: The nominees originally were on the list of twenty one

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Speaker 1: candidates the Trump administration or Trump Transition team considered for

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court vacancy left by Anthony scalia is death

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Speaker 1: and ultimately filled by Gorsets. Okay, and then there's some

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Speaker 1: details in the judges here. Of course, Democrats are as

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01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:31,080
Speaker 1: we would expect them to, saying that Trump is is

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Speaker 1: appointing a bunch of monsters to the federal bench. Of course,

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Speaker 1: but I think it's worth taking a moment, you just say,

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Speaker 1: whenever this is the step beyond at least it's not Hillary.

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Speaker 1: You could say this is tied into at least it's

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Speaker 1: not Hillary. But whenever I start to get frustrated with

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Speaker 1: the administration a little bit, and my frustration so far

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Speaker 1: is is pretty limited, pretty minor. But whenever I start

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Speaker 1: to feel like the administration could have done a better

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Speaker 1: job on something and they're not really following through as

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Speaker 1: I thought they would. Yes, I think at least we

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Speaker 1: don't I have Hillary Clinton. I just want to give

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Speaker 1: speeches and get paid a lot of money. And that

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Speaker 1: sounds just like her. I know, it sounds exactly like

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. Something you're like, was that Hillary Clinton? Just

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Speaker 1: they're coming through my radio and the answer is kind

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Speaker 1: of um, but it's not Hillary, which is nice and

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Speaker 1: we can all be excited about that. Also, though, the

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Speaker 1: appointment of Gorsage to the Supreme Court is a real win,

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Speaker 1: and the appointments that Trump is now making to the

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Speaker 1: lower courts really matters. I've said this before and it

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Speaker 1: bears repeating. Obama's judicial legacy is as much about the

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Speaker 1: lower court nominees as it is his appointments to the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. And you could argue they were as important

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Speaker 1: in a sense, a third of sitting federal judges right

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Speaker 1: now we're appointed by Obama. Think about that for a

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Speaker 1: moment here. Um, Barack Obama made over three hundred appointments

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Speaker 1: to the federal judiciary. Uh. Trump is looking at a

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty judicial judicial vacancies and lower courts right now.

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Speaker 1: So this is another data point in the hey Trump

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Speaker 1: is is falling through. You'll notice this in the areas

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Speaker 1: where it's just up to Trump's discretion and uh, nobody

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Speaker 1: can just no one can tell him know in the

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Speaker 1: sense they can't override his decision making authority. Uh. With

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Speaker 1: the exception of a couple of appointments to his top advisors.

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Speaker 1: I think Trump has done a good job, certainly with

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Speaker 1: the judicial nominations. It has been strong. Um. And like

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Speaker 1: I've been saying, the real fight over the next Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court nomination, that's where you will see. That will be

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Speaker 1: very interesting politically and interesting to see how the administration

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Speaker 1: goes on that one, because I am not I am

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Speaker 1: not convinced that the Democrats won't. That there will be

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Speaker 1: in desperation time on that one, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: what that will mean, but they'll come up with something

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Speaker 1: somehow to try and stop Trump from it'll be the

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Speaker 1: most vicious media campaign you've ever seen. If Trump appoints

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Speaker 1: a conservative to the Supreme Court, tries appointed conservative Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court the next round. Anyway, so Trump got up, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna get a bunch of conservatives on the bench. Let's

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Speaker 1: give him some credit for that one. I call it

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Speaker 1: out when I don't like things in the healthcare and

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Speaker 1: other places. And but we gotta also make sure we

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Speaker 1: take a moment to stop and say, all right, well, uh,

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Speaker 1: Trump is doing some good stuff, and certainly on judges,

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Speaker 1: he's doing some very good stuff. My friends, please check

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