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Speaker 1: into today. Last night a w Dynamite Holy Smokes. Was
Speaker 1: there some great wrestling on that show. If you're a
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Speaker 1: limited amount of time a national radio But tonight on
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Speaker 1: more detail obviously on the Brian and Vinney show, but
Speaker 1: I will go over all of the main stories on
Speaker 1: the program here today. We've also got to the n
Speaker 1: x T ratings from this past Tuesday night. N x
Speaker 1: T did not do as well as RAW did. Raw
Speaker 1: had a huge number for their go home show. N
Speaker 1: x T did what it normally does. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: about that. And also we have the full lineup for
Speaker 1: the Stand and Liver Show, the full lineup for Night
Speaker 1: one and Night two of WrestleMania, and obviously there's a
Speaker 1: big SmackDown tomorrow night with DeAndre the Giant Memorial Battle
Speaker 1: Royal and this poor geek Ricochet. We'll be facing Umberto
Speaker 1: and Angel in a match he asked for a three
Speaker 1: way facing an established tag team that's coming up tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We've allays gotten notes on Nick con You talked a
Speaker 1: lot about w w E, and of course it's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's Nick kNN talking about w w we's
Speaker 1: we can tell you about that. I got a new
Speaker 1: U w w E scripted series that's coming out and uh,
Speaker 1: what an irony, What an irony. We'll tell you about
Speaker 1: that later on and so much more. MIXIV joins us
Speaker 1: after the break back in the moment, Everybody Observer Live
Speaker 1: back in the show. Brian Albert is here Wrestling Observer
Speaker 1: Alive MIXIMBURMV, also of Wrestling observer dot com. So we
Speaker 1: had some some bloke he's actually I don't know. I
Speaker 1: started to tell with these these twitch geeks whether they're
Speaker 1: they're trolls or or geeks. You know what I'm saying, Well,
Speaker 1: whether they're being ignorant to be ignorant, or whether they're ignorant. Well,
Speaker 1: some people just say such stupid things that it's like
Speaker 1: they can't possibly be serious. But then there's such a
Speaker 1: consistency to their stupidity that then you start thinking, is
Speaker 1: he actually this dumb? So anyway, one of these guys goes,
Speaker 1: aren't there eighty thousand tickets out both nights for WrestleMania?
Speaker 1: Eighty thousand? Ruh, here's the numbers for WrestleMania right now,
Speaker 1: Night one, Night one? And by the way, do I
Speaker 1: need to throw out in my original prediction for WrestleMania
Speaker 1: was fifty five thousand both nights. Do I need to
Speaker 1: remind everybody of that? Yes? Okay, well Night one, Night
Speaker 1: one is it fifty eight thousand, one d and fourteen?
Speaker 1: And uh night to is that fifty seven thousand? So
Speaker 1: you're wrong? No, I'm actually dead on because you don't
Speaker 1: get in. Everybody was talking about how this I shouldn't
Speaker 1: say everybody, but people were very confident that this we
Speaker 1: could do eighty thousand both nights. And I said, brother,
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna do eighty thousand both nights because I
Speaker 1: ain't the only one who's not flying down there, because
Speaker 1: I'm not doing two nights in a row. And here
Speaker 1: we are fifty eight thousand for night one and uh,
Speaker 1: fifty seven thousand for night to Now, as I said
Speaker 1: at the beginning, yes, if you're running a business, then
Speaker 1: should we use some math here? I'll have to use
Speaker 1: a calculator because I'm not very good at it. Fifty
Speaker 1: eight thousand plus fifty seven thousand, Uh, They're they've sold
Speaker 1: a hundred fifteen thousand tickets. So in fact, uh, this
Speaker 1: is the most tickets ever sold ever for wrestle media.
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you want to look at it from
Speaker 1: that perspective, that's great. But what they have also done
Speaker 1: is it is true unless you are one of those
Speaker 1: people that you can't passly believe that there's fifty eight
Speaker 1: or whatever thousand the first night and a completely different
Speaker 1: fifty seven thousand one night too. And nobody is going
Speaker 1: to bull shows. I think we all know deep down
Speaker 1: that what has actually happened here is as opposed to
Speaker 1: having eighty to eighty five thousand people flying in for
Speaker 1: wrestle media, now we've got fifty five thousand people flying
Speaker 1: in for wrestle media. So you've actually you actually what
Speaker 1: you've done here is in terms of like people that
Speaker 1: are interested in going and traveling traveling to Mania, there's
Speaker 1: actually less here than there's been in forever. But you
Speaker 1: have successfully sold more tickets than you've ever sold because
Speaker 1: the fewer number of people that want to go are
Speaker 1: buying tickets for two nights. That's what's happened here. So
Speaker 1: from a business perspective, you can look at this however
Speaker 1: you want. Obviously, the way w w E is looking
Speaker 1: at it is the short term. We sold hundred fifteen
Speaker 1: thousand tickets way to go, We've broken all of our records.
Speaker 1: We can tout it on social media. It's the most
Speaker 1: attended to wrestle media. However, they're gonna put it or whatever,
Speaker 1: and of course you know they'll they'll inflate that to
Speaker 1: thirty thousand tickets sold. But the fact of the matter
Speaker 1: is this is the short term thinking. The long term
Speaker 1: thinking would be, we really want to move from eighty
Speaker 1: thousand people willing to travel to now whatever. That's where
Speaker 1: we're at. You're you're right, but you're right and you're wrong.
Speaker 1: I think there's actually I'm right and I'm right. Whichever
Speaker 1: one you think is the way to look at it
Speaker 1: is is you're right or wrong, but they're both. They're
Speaker 1: both true. There's less people going, but they made more
Speaker 1: money and sold more tickets. But they've been looking at this.
Speaker 1: But you say it's short term. They have been looking
Speaker 1: at this for a long time, and they did jump
Speaker 1: ahead of everybody by going to two nights. And you
Speaker 1: can debate that as a fan and as a viewer,
Speaker 1: whether it is a good production, whether it gives you
Speaker 1: your time's worth, all that sort of stuff. But the
Speaker 1: flip side of that is it's a lot easier to
Speaker 1: contract it to this point than it is to expand,
Speaker 1: and we'll find out with Los Angeles next year being
Speaker 1: a really good example of that. With having the Rock there,
Speaker 1: you only need to have it, Okay, if that happens
Speaker 1: the Rock and Roman range, you only really need to
Speaker 1: have one night, and to me, you would want to
Speaker 1: maximize that. But they probably won't. They're going to go
Speaker 1: with multiple nights because this is what their plan has been,
Speaker 1: and it is not that it is not solely WW
Speaker 1: that's done this. We brought it up many times. This
Speaker 1: is the way a lot of these events have. This
Speaker 1: is the way that they've gone, and they want to
Speaker 1: dominate every night. So you're right, it has shrunk, but
Speaker 1: the fact is that number was probably going to shrink
Speaker 1: and contract a little bit anyway. So now you have
Speaker 1: given the people, if you look at this from a
Speaker 1: marketing point of view, the ability to show up any
Speaker 1: night and see Rustlemani and the ability to show up
Speaker 1: any day and see multiple WWE things happening. So it's
Speaker 1: a catch. It's again, I see how they want to
Speaker 1: extract as much money as possible out of the most
Speaker 1: amount of people, and that's what they're doing right now.
Speaker 1: And it's a lot easier for them to shrink this
Speaker 1: back to one night if they want to, as opposed
Speaker 1: to running to you know, two nights. Look, they could
Speaker 1: lose their minds and go three nights at some point
Speaker 1: if they think it's going to make business and financial sense,
Speaker 1: and god knows, maybe they will, because they still have
Speaker 1: about sixty thousand people that have flooded that area for Rustlemania,
Speaker 1: and that's what they're there for. So I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: all I know is they they got fifties seven and
Speaker 1: fifty eight, and uh, next year, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think they're gonna have Stone Cold Steve Austin. I still
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna have the Rock. So what are
Speaker 1: we gonna have next year? Johnny Knoxville comes back? What else?
Speaker 1: I mean? Look at these cards and what do they
Speaker 1: do to get these? Uh? Fifty seven and fifty eight?
Speaker 1: I got Becky and Bianca, so I'm sure next year
Speaker 1: they're big match is gonna be Becky and Rhonda. They're
Speaker 1: hoping that's gonna be a big one. We've got brock
Speaker 1: Lessner and Roman Reigns, and obviously next year they want
Speaker 1: Roman Reigns and the Rock, which I don't think it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen, but they think it's gonna happen. So, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, what else do we got next year? We
Speaker 1: got Omas, the giant Omas, the undefeated Omas against somebody
Speaker 1: Omas and brock Lessner. Is that gonna be their big
Speaker 1: match next year? Uh? Edges already come back? You know,
Speaker 1: we've got Pet McAfee. Maybe you can come out of
Speaker 1: the booth again. Yeah, we got we got Cody, who
Speaker 1: they're not even announcing, and that's on Night one. But anyway,
Speaker 1: here are the lineups Night one, Becky and Bianca, Ray
Speaker 1: and Dominic versus MS and Logan, Paul Drew McIntyre and
Speaker 1: Happy Corbin, Ussos versus Knackamar and Boogs, New Day versus
Speaker 1: Shamus and Ridge Holland, Seth Rollins versus Cody and Charlotte
Speaker 1: Flair versus Rhonda Rousey and apparently, as always, as always,
Speaker 1: the left hand does not know what the right hand
Speaker 1: is doing. Kevin Owens and run A Rousey both believe
Speaker 1: they are the main event of WrestleMania. So we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens on Saturday Night Sunday. We got to multiple
Speaker 1: main events, don't they? I heard this story with Ronda
Speaker 1: being told she was in the main event. I mean,
Speaker 1: don't they Don't they look at their shows as having
Speaker 1: like three main events on each Well, you know, I
Speaker 1: think if they if if they consider Ronda Rousey like
Speaker 1: the kiss Demon, They're signed a contract that you always
Speaker 1: be in the main event, so they put him on
Speaker 1: second and said they called it a main event even
Speaker 1: though it's on second on the card. Yeah, you could
Speaker 1: do that if you wanted to. But I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: that Kevin Owens and Ronda Rousey both believe that they
Speaker 1: are going on last. Well, I think you tell Ronda
Speaker 1: Rousey anything and then she can get angry about it
Speaker 1: later on down the line. But yeah, closing the show,
Speaker 1: if it's not Steve Auston in Texas, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: well dumb. We have got Lena Carmela versus Sasha, Naomi
Speaker 1: versus Rhea and Live versus Natty and Shana this night too,
Speaker 1: Johnny Knoxville versus Sammy's an then goes Pat mcvieouson theory.
Speaker 1: By the way, no Vince, So unless they do something
Speaker 1: on Friday, which they could do because Pat McAfee is
Speaker 1: of course the commentator there. I mean, I guess we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens, but he was always supposed to be there,
Speaker 1: so we shall see. R. K. Bro Street prophets alph
Speaker 1: Academy Triple Threat for the tag titles, Edge and A J.
Speaker 1: Bobby Lashley and Omas and Lessner and Roman Reigns for
Speaker 1: the universal title. So that is the that's the lineup.
Speaker 1: I hope Shane McMahon's music hits first when seth goes
Speaker 1: out there, I really do. I hope he comes dancing
Speaker 1: out there. Then everybody loses their mind, and then Cody
Speaker 1: comes out and then hits them with a sledgehammer or
Speaker 1: whatever it is Cody's gonna do. They also have the
Speaker 1: n x T Show pre show Toxic Attraction versus Raquel
Speaker 1: and Dakota Carmelo, Santo Sesco, bar Solo, Sakoa Grays and
Speaker 1: Waller Cameron Grimes for the North American title and the
Speaker 1: ladder match Tomasa Chump and Tony D'Angelo and Chomp his
Speaker 1: last match, Mandy Rose, Cora, jade Eo, Shirai, Kaylee Ray
Speaker 1: four Way for the Women's title, Imperium versus Creeds versus
Speaker 1: M S K for the tag titles, l A. Knight
Speaker 1: versus Gunter, and Delve Ziggler versus bron Breaker. That next
Speaker 1: t at nine am Pacific, How fun. Everybody back in
Speaker 1: a moment. It is ther Live back in the show.
Speaker 1: Bran Elvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live, Mike umber viv also
Speaker 1: Wrestling Observer dot Com and x T. Tuesday six six
Speaker 1: thousand viewers down slightly from last week, still the best
Speaker 1: studience for the show since January eleven. There's a bill
Speaker 1: to stand in the liver. Point one were in eighteen
Speaker 1: forty nine, which is about what it's been doing. That's
Speaker 1: that's good, by the way, for a next it's compared
Speaker 1: one down four point three and overall viewers down to
Speaker 1: thirty three at eighteen to forty nine. I think we're
Speaker 1: comparing a year to year where they were going head
Speaker 1: to head with Dynamite. They're doing worse. Remember when they
Speaker 1: got rid of Hunter, Remember that, and they got rid
Speaker 1: of that guy, and they rebranded it and they made
Speaker 1: it all colorful, and they came up with a bunch
Speaker 1: of stupid gimmicks and everything like that. Now it's doing
Speaker 1: much worse. That's weird. And it's not even had to
Speaker 1: ad anymore. Think about that. It's got a better theme
Speaker 1: though with wallet or now it's been young pay that much.
Speaker 1: That's true. During a podcast appearance, Nick Cohn was asked
Speaker 1: about an address complaints from wrestlers that have left the company,
Speaker 1: citing negative experiences and preferential treatment. Speaking on The Town podcast,
Speaker 1: con said everyone is treated humanely because you know, I
Speaker 1: was I don't like to hear about places that treat
Speaker 1: people inhumanely, but that's what he said. These are These
Speaker 1: are exact quotes. Everyone is treated humanely, and he adds
Speaker 1: they deserve to be treated that way. We don't stick
Speaker 1: him in the bell tower anymore. I'm sure someone's gonna
Speaker 1: get really mad at me for this, but I'm actually
Speaker 1: reading these are the words that Nick Con said, So like,
Speaker 1: I don't know why you would get mad at me,
Speaker 1: but let me read that again. Nick CON's responses to
Speaker 1: wrestlers who say that the soiling green is people said,
Speaker 1: he said, this is a direct quote. Everyone is treated
Speaker 1: humanely and deserves to be treated that way. Oh no, God,
Speaker 1: And you know, I I hope they actually turned that
Speaker 1: back and they they really start wrestling tear eating wrestlers inhumanely.
Speaker 1: So Sarah McLaughlin can have a song and we can
Speaker 1: have a slow montage of sad w W E faces
Speaker 1: like Ricochet getting beat up in a hundred and five seconds,
Speaker 1: and just a whole line of those things. Just well,
Speaker 1: may I continue. Sure. He compared their situation to win
Speaker 1: the NBA's l A Lakers at Superstars Kobe Bryant and
Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neil at the same time, noting that they weren't
Speaker 1: treated the same as some of their other teammates. Was
Speaker 1: Scheck treated better than any other player other than Kobe?
Speaker 1: Said Nick con Yeah, that's the way it is. He
Speaker 1: then brought up Will Smith was not removed from the
Speaker 1: Oscars following his slap of Chris Rock partially because he
Speaker 1: was a star. Well, that's a very complicated story, because
Speaker 1: according to the Academy, they asked him to leave and
Speaker 1: he refused, so they didn't make him. Then. Of course,
Speaker 1: there are others that say they actually never asked him
Speaker 1: to leave officially. You unofficially asked him to leave. Listen
Speaker 1: in an unofficial capacity. Could you leave after slapping that guy? No?
Speaker 1: Al right, well, anyway, we got a Best Actor award
Speaker 1: for you, so stick around. Anyway. He co produced the
Speaker 1: show too, it said. Uh, he says, here was Shock treated.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I heard that. It's the same with us.
Speaker 1: It is a meritocracy. If you're at the top of
Speaker 1: the card, maybe you have a bigger dressing room than
Speaker 1: someone at the bottom of the card. Everyone has the
Speaker 1: same opportunity to earn their way there, he said. He
Speaker 1: also said the company is open for business when asked
Speaker 1: him about a potential sale. It's not like I've been
Speaker 1: saying that for like a year and everybody thought I
Speaker 1: was an idiot. Open for business, everybody's been saying it.
Speaker 1: Come on, he says. There a treasure trove of I
Speaker 1: p go there, he said. The Vince McMahon Netflix docuseries
Speaker 1: is set to debut in three w w E is
Speaker 1: for the masses, he said, and the company can never
Speaker 1: lose sight of that, he said. He said this publicly.
Speaker 1: The average viewer is someone that grew up in the
Speaker 1: eighties or nineties and went to public school because of
Speaker 1: the availability or lack thereof, of cable in many times.
Speaker 1: What what does that mean? Con talked about how he
Speaker 1: came to w w E. This is way a nice
Speaker 1: way to say demographic is they're old and broke, which
Speaker 1: used to be the whole stereotype of wrestling fans as
Speaker 1: they were well broke. He's not necessarily saying they're broke today.
Speaker 1: They were broke then. Didn't we all grew up broke?
Speaker 1: Nick Con? You know, poorer than he was. He was
Speaker 1: poorer than dirt, which is very poor, although dirt is
Speaker 1: rich in nutrients now that I think about it. But anyway,
Speaker 1: that's a story here. I'm sure this is I'm sure
Speaker 1: he's a great guy. I actually have nothing against Nick
Speaker 1: con But you know what this is, this company is
Speaker 1: being permeated with people that know nothing about a wrestling
Speaker 1: That's what we've got here. And and maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe we're gonna find out. Let's be honest here, maybe
Speaker 1: we're gonna find out because historically this has certainly been
Speaker 1: the case, then you don't need to know anything about
Speaker 1: wrestling to run a wrestling company. We might find that out.
Speaker 1: Maybe times have changed because it's always worked out really
Speaker 1: really well. Yes, um, one thing he's he's he said
Speaker 1: that was absolutely right. That I don't know if anybody
Speaker 1: wants to flex about, and I'm sure somebody's in their
Speaker 1: feelings about it. Is the whole thing of the meritocracy
Speaker 1: and all that's all true, that's all fine, that's all fair.
Speaker 1: And to have a bunch of stars, you know, you
Speaker 1: want to pack your team with stars at the expense
Speaker 1: of maybe you know, the other role players on the
Speaker 1: team don't get the shine. You know that that's all fair.
Speaker 1: That the whole thing is the opportunity to succeed because
Speaker 1: in sports, if somebody started out shoot Kobe and somebody
Speaker 1: started to run up and down the floor. Look, the
Speaker 1: Showtime Lakers are a good example of this, and the
Speaker 1: whole deal on HBO right now, the Winning Time uh documentary,
Speaker 1: that's a documentary, whatever the hell you want to call it,
Speaker 1: the movie that the miniseries that's taking place where Norm
Speaker 1: Nixon was an all star guard for the Lakers. But
Speaker 1: then Magic got there and then it wasn't really long
Speaker 1: after that the Norm Nixon was gone. But they put
Speaker 1: him in the same backcourt. They wanted him to see
Speaker 1: who's going to be that guy who's going to be
Speaker 1: there with Kareem you know, who would be shock in
Speaker 1: that equation, and they let them. They really did give
Speaker 1: them an opportunity to go out there and win the job.
Speaker 1: And that's would w W E doesn't do. And that's
Speaker 1: where all that bs that he talks about, all that
Speaker 1: business stuff is business makes perfect sense even to a
Speaker 1: wrestling fan if it doesn't tickle your wrestling sense. A
Speaker 1: lot of what nik Con does and as far as
Speaker 1: if you're looking at this from a w W point
Speaker 1: of view, a lot of what Nikkan says makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense. Hey, do you know is pissing on
Speaker 1: you and and thinking that it's raining because the people
Speaker 1: on the outside don't see why that's all bs and
Speaker 1: what he said and look at the show from an
Speaker 1: an an ignorant point of view, a fair you know,
Speaker 1: just an ignorant and not knowing point of view, and
Speaker 1: and believe what he's saying. And that's the thing that
Speaker 1: we all know is is a croc a crap. And
Speaker 1: the thing that really hurts them, do you know that
Speaker 1: they they let Tony Storm go Wohn Moxley, Yeah, keep going,
Speaker 1: let me go on. But you know what, I could
Speaker 1: not help but notice, but well, yesterday we read an
Speaker 1: article where the one guy whose name I've forgotten, God,
Speaker 1: that dude. Sure he's a nice guy as well about
Speaker 1: how you know, we don't needed wrestlers, we need we
Speaker 1: need to get these young athletes straight out of college
Speaker 1: on our ni L deals because you know, this business
Speaker 1: is easy. We can teach it to anybody. You said
Speaker 1: to be able to do a flip, We can teach
Speaker 1: you how to be a great worker. So anyway, I
Speaker 1: can't help, but knows I read that article yesterday and
Speaker 1: then I read this article. Today, w w E is
Speaker 1: producing a new scripted series based on a fictional pro
Speaker 1: wrestling promotion for NBCUniversal. It was announced today w w
Speaker 1: A Universal Content Productions have partnered together for a drama
Speaker 1: series called Penned. Here is the description of the show
Speaker 1: and adrenalized. I'm gonna trying to read this because this
Speaker 1: is a lot of words. And adrenalized upstairs downstairs soap
Speaker 1: that gives a behind the scenes look at fictional wrestling promotion.
Speaker 1: Come out, I gotta mute you. I can't do this twice.
Speaker 1: And adrenalized Upstairs downstairs soap that gives a behind the
Speaker 1: scenes look and a fictional wrestling promotion and the unforgettable
Speaker 1: characters that populated Pinned offers a front row seat into
Speaker 1: the eccentric wrestling culture and the mayhem that exists between
Speaker 1: the locker room and the boardroom. God, that was excruciating.
Speaker 1: Go ahead. Upstairs Downstairs was a show from the seventies,
Speaker 1: the seventies that was played on PBS. Well, they didn't
Speaker 1: capitalize upstairs downstairs, so that's a term. Mike, Okay, I
Speaker 1: thought they look with with the way that they to
Speaker 1: this day referenced things from the eighties to their fans,
Speaker 1: as if their fans most of them have any idea
Speaker 1: of what the hell they're talking about is something. So
Speaker 1: I thought that was right in line with with some
Speaker 1: of their thinking. But I mean, are you surprised talk
Speaker 1: about controlling your narrative? Actually, yeah, very surprised at speak
Speaker 1: series about pro wrestling. Dude, right up their alley. This
Speaker 1: is where they're at in this day and age. And
Speaker 1: you know what they'll be able to say, Brian too,
Speaker 1: when everybody comes to the production and they roll this
Speaker 1: show out and everything and heaven forbid, god knows if
Speaker 1: it's successful and last more than one season with like,
Speaker 1: you know, three episodes before it gets canceled. The crazy
Speaker 1: part about this is the fact that they will now
Speaker 1: take this and look and go, this is what wrestling.
Speaker 1: This is the fake wrestling. This is what we do
Speaker 1: for real, where all these other people in independent wrestling,
Speaker 1: the way that people actually come up and become professional wrestlers.
Speaker 1: They are going to further teach the public that know,
Speaker 1: all you need to do is go to college, be
Speaker 1: somewhat of an athlete, will give you an n I
Speaker 1: L deal and then that's how you get into wrestling,
Speaker 1: such a great bastardization and another controlling how to break
Speaker 1: Observer Live back in the show. Ran Elbare is here
Speaker 1: Wrestling Observer Alive mix and Ervini also of Wrestling Observer
Speaker 1: dot Com. I know I was killing you of that
Speaker 1: last segment there, but the bottom line, you know, when
Speaker 1: w W used to say they took everything out of
Speaker 1: the smoke filled buildings and all that stuff, and it
Speaker 1: was all b s. What they're gonna do with this show,
Speaker 1: even if it's mildly successful, much like Tough Enough, where
Speaker 1: they just this is just another marketing campaign and how
Speaker 1: they positioned themselves and continue to look at things and
Speaker 1: wrestling fans are going to hate it. But I'm not
Speaker 1: surprised about it at all, not not at all. And
Speaker 1: the more, I don't know why you're so surprised about this,
Speaker 1: really Vince's own look, he is again anything that he
Speaker 1: used to do, all that stuff gone now? Am I surprised?
Speaker 1: Because you know, I got a great idea for a
Speaker 1: scripted program involving professional wrestling. It's actually two programs. It's
Speaker 1: called Ron SmackDown. Oh stop. I know does talk about
Speaker 1: how we ain't pro wrestling, we don't do pro wrestling.
Speaker 1: We don't want pro wrestlers. We don't want Now he's
Speaker 1: gonna do a show about pro wrestling, Well, I got
Speaker 1: a pro wrestling show for you. He's doing a parody
Speaker 1: of pro wrestling now, and that's not gonna stop. Like
Speaker 1: you wanting him to make raw and SmackDown and make it.
Speaker 1: Those shows are what they are, and this is the
Speaker 1: vision that they've had for them, and this is the
Speaker 1: way it's continued to go. Whether everybody else's kicking or screaming,
Speaker 1: or whether we talk about it every day on the
Speaker 1: show or not, that's what they're going to do. So
Speaker 1: it doesn't surprise me with some of the other moves
Speaker 1: that they've made outside of the wrestling, outside what they
Speaker 1: should be looking at it was the in ring product
Speaker 1: and those shows solely. And I see what they've done
Speaker 1: and some of the other ventures they've gotten into and
Speaker 1: how they play a wrestling and how they play their
Speaker 1: product in other places, and I'm not surprised about this
Speaker 1: at all. Why why should you be? I really don't
Speaker 1: don't explain it one more time. I'm to talk about
Speaker 1: Dynamite because the guy has done everything in his power
Speaker 1: to distance himself from pro wrestling. The literally, the only
Speaker 1: thing he has not done is take the word wrestle
Speaker 1: out of WrestleMania, and now he's gonna do a scripted
Speaker 1: program about wrestling. Yes, very ironic. Why would he not
Speaker 1: horror this if? Why are you yelling at me? You
Speaker 1: asked me why I thought it was weird? I told
Speaker 1: you because it's like if he's pimped out the product
Speaker 1: for everything else. You said, he's trying to distance himself
Speaker 1: and he's used it to wave it around. Why are
Speaker 1: you surprising to do a cop show or something? Do
Speaker 1: a show about I don't know, building, building whatever. We
Speaker 1: did that, But bro, if you want to do something
Speaker 1: about pro wrestling, and how about you do a pro
Speaker 1: wrestling show? They have to watch every week? Because I'm
Speaker 1: sick of dude this. You're acting like you gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta watch this new show or I'm not gonna watch
Speaker 1: this new show. He kidding me, But I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what I did watch because I got to do this dynamite.
Speaker 1: What do they call it? A new show? Two point oh?
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden you want to see it?
Speaker 1: How much caffeine did you have today? Brother? A lot?
Speaker 1: Did you go back to get another m R I
Speaker 1: and they shot you up with some fentinill or something.
Speaker 1: That's now can we do this diet? To my report,
Speaker 1: we can't dive to have on the Molly anymore. This
Speaker 1: show was full of excellent wrestling matches. See him Punk
Speaker 1: and Max Cast very good match, although on this show
Speaker 1: it was kind of low on the very good match
Speaker 1: scale because there were so many other great matches, but
Speaker 1: they had a good match. They gave Max Cast a
Speaker 1: lot see him Punk sold got him with the antikon
Speaker 1: de Ice submitted him, and then Tony Schavan he gets
Speaker 1: in the ring for the w w E promo. What
Speaker 1: did that mean when you went like this last week?
Speaker 1: Punk goes or not? Idiots? I want the championship and
Speaker 1: I don't know who's gonna be the champion, but whoever
Speaker 1: it is, I want a shot, and before my time
Speaker 1: here is over, I will be the champion. So he's
Speaker 1: next in line. We had a segment with m j
Speaker 1: F and FTR. They're clearly on their way to a breakup,
Speaker 1: but they didn't do this week nothing. Nothing is rushed
Speaker 1: in this promotion I've noticed, including the J Lethal heel
Speaker 1: term J Lethal John Moxley. Lethal is all upset that
Speaker 1: he's been losing the big ones. They have a really,
Speaker 1: really good match. John Moxley ends up pinning him with
Speaker 1: the paradigm shift d D t J. Lethal is so
Speaker 1: disgusting himself that when John Moxley offers a handshake, he
Speaker 1: almost doesn't give it to him, but he does, and
Speaker 1: then he hangs his head and shame and walks out
Speaker 1: wait a Marina Schaffier video package. They're deviewing her here
Speaker 1: on the main roster. Soon FDR versus the gun Club
Speaker 1: match was that's pretty good. FTR is excellent gun club
Speaker 1: and it can be carried to a good match. Billy
Speaker 1: tried to get involved. Um In the middle of the match,
Speaker 1: Wardlow showed up starts beating up security guys, runs through
Speaker 1: about two dozen security guys where they finally stop him
Speaker 1: from ding nam JFMGF is screaming at him. On commentary,
Speaker 1: there's a big kurf fluffle. FTR wins with a big rig.
Speaker 1: MGF comes to celebrate and FTR is furious at him. Dude,
Speaker 1: why do you have to do this to our friends?
Speaker 1: They like ward Low, they were buddies, so they're furious
Speaker 1: and Finally cooler heads prevail. MGF raises their hands, but
Speaker 1: I don't know there's gonna be a big rig and
Speaker 1: mgf's future. Maybe they won't give us that one. But this,
Speaker 1: this crew is not long for the world. We had
Speaker 1: Jericho Appreciation Society. They were making fun of the fact
Speaker 1: that we're tease. Santana and Eddie Kingston were gone for good.
Speaker 1: And of course there they are behind the curtain and
Speaker 1: we have a gigantic brawl. And at first the three
Speaker 1: of them beat the hell out of the Jericho Appreciation Society.
Speaker 1: But then finally old Jake Hager shows up. He runs
Speaker 1: rough shod, they grabbed the bat. They absolutely beat the
Speaker 1: hell out of these guys, and so once again Kingston,
Speaker 1: Santana Ortiz are left laying. We had Jake Cargil and
Speaker 1: Mark Sterling backstage. They asked who's gonna be number thirty.
Speaker 1: Mark Shirling says it's gonna be in the library, and
Speaker 1: Leva bates. Even Jake Cargill cannot stand for this. She says,
Speaker 1: get the hell out of here, who's number thirty really
Speaker 1: gonna be? And Mark Sterling sheepishly responds Maria Schaffer, He's
Speaker 1: not confident but Jade's confident. She says, get her out here,
Speaker 1: so that's gonna be apparently number thirty Jade Cargill and
Speaker 1: Marina Schaffier. All right, Bryan Danielson and Wheeler Utah was
Speaker 1: the most glorious violence I've seen in quite some time.
Speaker 1: Call Lee Brian Danielson. I think he saw what Wheeler
Speaker 1: You was wearing for tights and he was like, this
Speaker 1: guy is gonna suffer. And boy, he beat the absolute
Speaker 1: piss out of this poor guy. He pummeled him, he
Speaker 1: smashed him. Then Wheeler You makes a comeback and the
Speaker 1: place goes absolutely nuts for Wheeler You just come back.
Speaker 1: Danielson cuts him off again and he goes to stomp
Speaker 1: his head, and Wheeler spits the most disgusting Like even
Speaker 1: Brett Hart was envious of this lookie that got spit
Speaker 1: on Brian Danielson. It's just all down his face and Danielson,
Speaker 1: covered in drool, just stumps the hell out of this guy,
Speaker 1: puts him in the yes lock, pulls on his nostrils
Speaker 1: and submits him. Collie, this guy deserves to be in
Speaker 1: the Blackpool Combat Club for this beating. The Instributed Championship
Speaker 1: celebration even they're not champions, they do their celebration out comes.
Speaker 1: Uh uh. First we had who came out first, Hangman
Speaker 1: and then he runs wild on all three guys, but
Speaker 1: then they overwhelmed him. Then we have uh, let's see
Speaker 1: Luke Stores in Christian Cage come out and they beat
Speaker 1: up the heels and at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: the baby Faces get all of their belts back. So
Speaker 1: we're undoubtedly doing another Adam Cole versus Hangman page match,
Speaker 1: and Red Dragon. We'll be getting the shot against uh,
Speaker 1: Luca Source and Jungle Boy, which I suspect probably end
Speaker 1: up being a title change, but I guess we'll see.
Speaker 1: We got that thunder Rose interview everybody was waiting for
Speaker 1: last week. Remember, guys were all angry she didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to talk. Happy now she says she's gonna
Speaker 1: be the foundation of this company. What I thought it
Speaker 1: was underwhelming A little bit. I would say it was underwhelming,
Speaker 1: but I mean, everybody was so angry she didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to talk, and then she just did a
Speaker 1: generic promo said she was gonna be the champion, and
Speaker 1: then said she was the first ever Mexican born champion,
Speaker 1: which of course is ridiculous, But I think this is
Speaker 1: like one of those w w E deals were like
Speaker 1: Charlotte has was undefeated on pay per view even though
Speaker 1: she lost eighty five times on TV. Thunder Rose Up
Speaker 1: is the first woman in a major United States wrestling
Speaker 1: promotion who is a Mexican born woman who has won
Speaker 1: a women's title. Do you believe that it may be
Speaker 1: of a case of a w w E speak sort
Speaker 1: of thing and she just like kind of jumbled her
Speaker 1: words in this spose. I'm sure she jumbled her words
Speaker 1: in this book, but that's that's what that's what she
Speaker 1: is here. So for those who wondering, by the way,
Speaker 1: just to shoehorn this in here because I thought it
Speaker 1: was kind of random. All Japan Women the classic uh
Speaker 1: women's promotion. Speaking of women's wrestling, i w TV has
Speaker 1: picked up the entire back catalog of that and they're
Speaker 1: going to be airing it. And so if you like
Speaker 1: women's wrestling, All Japan Women's what Dave talks about and
Speaker 1: goes on rants about on these shows that with Brian,
Speaker 1: you'll get a chance to see some of that stuff. Now,
Speaker 1: we had the debut of Tony Storm in a Owen
Speaker 1: Hart Foundation tournament qualifier, and this place absolutely lost it
Speaker 1: for Tony Storm. And then they did not care one
Speaker 1: bit about her match with the Bunny because I think
Speaker 1: they've seen a lot of great matches and they had zero.
Speaker 1: They had there wasn't one person if the Bun his
Speaker 1: family were there. They didn't think she was gonna win.
Speaker 1: So they just watched them do their match and then
Speaker 1: cheered when she won. And she cried because she couldn't
Speaker 1: believe what a reaction she got after they didn't do
Speaker 1: anything with her in w W E a broken record.
Speaker 1: You said it right with Dave last night. They were
Speaker 1: just waiting for her to win. It really wasn't a
Speaker 1: referendum on the match. They just a pop for Tony Storm.
Speaker 1: They wanted to pop for her again in victory. Then
Speaker 1: we had on rudd A versus Darby Allen. This was
Speaker 1: this was in some ways perhaps more violent than that
Speaker 1: Brian Danielson Wheeler you to match Andreda is now legitimately
Speaker 1: about two violent at the buffet. This guy is enormous
Speaker 1: and Darby is uh, probably shoot my size eating like
Speaker 1: he's got that kind of money, and he does. And
Speaker 1: they had a fight and andred A destroyed him, and
Speaker 1: Darby made these striking comebacks. They had a striking battle
Speaker 1: with all these slaps. I hate these slaps, but they
Speaker 1: did it. And then finally the end we had Jose
Speaker 1: tried to interfere. No respect this Jose gets, by the way,
Speaker 1: not that he deserves a lot necessarily, but you don't
Speaker 1: get none. They had the graphic for this match and
Speaker 1: it says Darby allen with Sting Versus androwd A with Jose,
Speaker 1: and they announced coming up next Darby Versus Andradi and
Speaker 1: the answers go and Sting is gonna be there. What
Speaker 1: about Jose, He's gonna be there. I don't care about
Speaker 1: Jose anyway. Jose, Is that what they're saying. Jose tried
Speaker 1: to interfere. Sting beat him up. Then Butcher and Blade
Speaker 1: act text Sting. Darby laid them out with the dive,
Speaker 1: but of course in getting back into the ring he
Speaker 1: was killed d D T and pinned by andrad A.
Speaker 1: And then we have the big smash maas with the
Speaker 1: androwd A, which, by the way, here in that front
Speaker 1: page report it says, a H. There's no H in
Speaker 1: this a FO anymore. It's AFO now Part he's gone.
Speaker 1: They beat up Darby and Sting. Private party starts to
Speaker 1: run down the ramp and everyone initially cheers because they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're coming to Oh wait a second, they're bad guys,
Speaker 1: and so they joined in the fight and then they
Speaker 1: hit the Hardys music and then the place goes nuts again.
Speaker 1: Jeff Hardy and Matt come down. Twist of fate sent on.
Speaker 1: They just killed poor Mark Quinn with the sent on
Speaker 1: He's dead and the show went up there with happy ending.
Speaker 1: I like this show a lot. I had so much
Speaker 1: fun watching this show. Am I the only one? No,
Speaker 1: it was a good show. It was a really good
Speaker 1: show in the fact that when you have long, good
Speaker 1: matches like that, and they weren't like checked in clear,
Speaker 1: so I gotta make sure they weren't obscenely long or
Speaker 1: anything like that. But it makes the other stuff that
Speaker 1: you do on the show stand out more, the other
Speaker 1: segments stand out more, and you know, it was just
Speaker 1: a really it was just a really really solid show.
Speaker 1: And how can you go wrong? I mean, John Moxley
Speaker 1: and j Lethal. I don't know if Lethal's going heel.
Speaker 1: I guess it depends on what they decided to do.
Speaker 1: With Ring of Honor because him saying, man, I gotta
Speaker 1: get my mojo back, you know where you know, and
Speaker 1: then he goes again. That could play into some of
Speaker 1: this stuff too. But see Him Punk probably a good
Speaker 1: idea every single week, Darby Allen, see Him Punk, Brian Danielson,
Speaker 1: find a way to start the show with those guys,
Speaker 1: because it really does make a difference in my opinion
Speaker 1: as far as the energy of the show goes. Somebody's
Speaker 1: asking about Jeff sent on listen. I don't know anything
Speaker 1: about what's going on with Jeff Hardy and everything like that,
Speaker 1: but he's been doing this forever, and uh, he's probably
Speaker 1: got some some injuries. And if you guys recall Randy Savage,
Speaker 1: you see that flying elbow and he wouldn't touch you
Speaker 1: until he started hurting really bad, and then he landed
Speaker 1: on you with all of his might because he didn't
Speaker 1: want to land on the mat. So you know, you
Speaker 1: do a cent on bomb, you're young, and uh hits
Speaker 1: the mat, you get old, you hits the guy back
Speaker 1: in a moment as were alive. Well, according to Mike,
Speaker 1: I was right. Yeah, so, uh, two weeks ago when
Speaker 1: he killed Isaiah Cassidy, I think it was with a swanton.
Speaker 1: I made a tweet and and said that Jeff Hardy
Speaker 1: kind of hit swanton bombs like a forty pound bag
Speaker 1: of fertilizer falling off the top shelf at home depot,
Speaker 1: and seriously watched some of his in slow motion, and
Speaker 1: you don't know exactly what I'm talking about. And people
Speaker 1: responded that he was on the edging Christian pod of
Speaker 1: awesomeness and said he used to have a nice soft swanton.
Speaker 1: But sometime in two thousand and eighteen or so, after
Speaker 1: hurting his shoulder, Jeff said, quote, I had to start
Speaker 1: thinking about me. And now he kills people with him.
Speaker 1: He calls it a cruton bomb. I guess because of
Speaker 1: the way he makes people crumble with it. And I
Speaker 1: guess one of the lines he had was I'm going
Speaker 1: to protect myself and you basically you'll survive, just maybe
Speaker 1: with broken ribs and a stern um holy smokes. Well
Speaker 1: there you go. Just as I thought as a man,
Speaker 1: I used to do the cent on bomb all the time.
Speaker 1: Shoe that tailbone is, I guess, uh bad shape? Well
Speaker 1: I was. I was a gymnast, and so actually the
Speaker 1: way I did it was a giant dive roll, so
Speaker 1: I would go up high in the air and then
Speaker 1: I would I would basically roll out so that my
Speaker 1: head hit the but so they didn't feel a thing
Speaker 1: and I didn't feel a thing any either, because I
Speaker 1: rolled by the way he did it was you go
Speaker 1: up and you just bash your whole body on the ground.
Speaker 1: No good? Oh man? Have you were you ever able
Speaker 1: to get in the rain? Did you ever do the
Speaker 1: deal where like Berto does where he kind of like
Speaker 1: slides through the first and second rope and does the
Speaker 1: headstand and never touches the ropes? Can you do that?
Speaker 1: Slide in through it? Do stand? I'll send you the video.
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything complicated. You kidding me. We're at
Speaker 1: a time get those wrestling WrestleMania cameos in everybody. Now's
Speaker 1: your chance. I know you've got buddies at your WrestleMania party.
Speaker 1: Oh they pop if they got a cameo for me.
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