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Speaker 2: That was Lindsay Davis.

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Speaker 3: She is not only a journalist who interviews heads of states.

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Speaker 1: the protests and just so much angst. And I felt like,

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Speaker 1: as a young black male, he didn't need to have

440
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Speaker 1: that albatross around his neck. I mean, because he was

441
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Speaker 1: already asking, like in the wake of the you know,

442
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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Starbucks incident when you had the two black men

443
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Speaker 1: who were arrested trying to use the bathroom without buying anything,

444
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Speaker 1: and he had said, and he was maybe four or five,

445
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Speaker 1: and he was like, are the police going to take

446
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Speaker 1: downy and me to jail if we go to Starbucks?

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Speaker 1: You know, he was identifying, you know, as a black male.

448
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Speaker 1: And I was like, this is heavy, and I wanted

449
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Speaker 1: to do something where I could share mommy's work, you know,

450
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: just here you go. This is what I'm doing and

451
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: I don't have to be I don't have to be

452
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Speaker 1: concerned that it's causing him harm in some way or stress.

453
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I I do think that first of all,

454
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Speaker 1: writing children's books, it's really kind of easy. It's probably easy.

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Speaker 2: This one's latest one is a New York Times bestseller.

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Speaker 1: The last two.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, congratulations, thank you, congratulation, thanks you really such

458
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Speaker 3: a beautiful accou I appreciate that. And I know that

459
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 3: when you're like an achiever and you do a lot

460
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Speaker 3: of things, it's just one more thing I'm doing. But

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Speaker 3: I hope you consider in that that's just a beautiful,

462
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Speaker 3: beautiful achievement.

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Speaker 1: It's one thing that I want to do more is

464
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Speaker 1: sitting in it, sitting in it in the moment, right

465
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Speaker 1: because I am always like, Okay, onto the next now

466
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Speaker 1: what are we doing?

467
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Speaker 5: And what's it?

468
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Speaker 1: You know, and it and then like when you don't

469
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Speaker 1: actually savor it, I think that that is a lost opportunity.

470
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Speaker 1: And I'm unforse because you just don't appreciate, you know,

471
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Speaker 1: what has been accomplished. But I do feel blessed that

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Speaker 1: people are reading the books. And you know, there was

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Speaker 1: an essay that I read years ago when I was

474
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Speaker 1: first thinking about writing children's books, was called mirrors, Windows

475
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Speaker 1: and sliding glass doors, and it was talking about how

476
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Speaker 1: the importance of children's books. First of all, children don't

477
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Speaker 1: see themselves in the pages, reflected in the pages, they

478
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Speaker 1: won't look to books anymore. And that's a problem, right,

479
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Speaker 1: because we want children to read. But the idea was mirrors,

480
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Speaker 1: because they need to see themselves reflected windows so they

481
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Speaker 1: can peer into a world that's unfamiliar to their own.

482
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Speaker 1: And the sliding glass door, if that window is to

483
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Speaker 1: really be transformative, it can serve as that sliding glass

484
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Speaker 1: door to kind of bring them into this different world.

485
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Speaker 1: And I think that that is, you know, going back

486
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Speaker 1: to our other conversation about, you know, having those difficult

487
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Speaker 1: talks about where we are different, I think that the

488
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Speaker 1: same thing applies not just to religion or land or

489
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Speaker 1: you know, but race obviously. And you know, many of

490
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Speaker 1: the characters in my books initially were black and brown,

491
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Speaker 1: and I think that people thought, oh, they're black and

492
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Speaker 1: blawn characters there for black and brown children, and I

493
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Speaker 1: really don't think that that is the truth. I think

494
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Speaker 1: that quite often we fear what we don't know, and

495
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Speaker 1: so immediately we have boxes and divisions. But if you

496
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Speaker 1: can be exposed, and I think quite often that may

497
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Speaker 1: not be in your neighborhood, your church, your school, maybe

498
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Speaker 1: it's not very diverse, but you can give a child

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Speaker 1: a doll that's different, right, You can put a book

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Speaker 1: in their hand that's different. And so that is what

501
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Speaker 1: I'm hoping to be able to do, is you know,

502
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Speaker 1: be a bridge and through the children's books that I'm doing,

503
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Speaker 1: bring everybody into the tent. You know, in this latest book,

504
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Speaker 1: Girls of the World, like we're very intentional about making

505
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Speaker 1: sure that different religions are represented, really that kids with

506
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Speaker 1: you know, two of the girls are in wheelchairs, one

507
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Speaker 1: has a prosthetic leg. It's like when we talk about

508
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Speaker 1: diversity and let's not just talk about black and color.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that's really important, important and important.

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Speaker 4: Every champion and car every champion is to be a champion,

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Speaker 4: a champion and carry champion and carried chat Beta Champion

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Speaker 4: and carry champion and carried chat entertainment, cant naked weird,

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Speaker 4: every champion and carry champions. To be a CHAMPIONTA champion

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Speaker 4: and carry champion, Champion, the Cary Champion and carried chatiment get.

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Speaker 3: Naked word speaking of your book and making sure you're

516
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Speaker 3: making everyone is diverse. Characters are diverse, but we're not

517
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Speaker 3: talking to skin color. Yes, different needs, different accessibilities. When

518
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Speaker 3: I watch programming like that, like a movie or maybe

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Speaker 3: a series or a saycome, I can't even think of

520
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Speaker 3: one right now. But when it pops up and it

521
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 3: doesn't slap you in the face and it feels just

522
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: it's natural and this is the world, it's it makes

523
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Speaker 3: you understand more.

524
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Speaker 2: It was a show I watch.

525
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Speaker 3: One of the kids had autism, the other you know,

526
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Speaker 3: the racially diverse family in a racial marriage, all the

527
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 3: things that were and it wasn't forced. It felt very effortless,

528
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: And to me, that is true diversity and what sounds

529
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Speaker 3: like what you're trying to accomplish in your in your

530
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Speaker 3: storytelling for children, because that's where you're planning the seeds.

531
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Speaker 1: And planning the seed is an expression that I use

532
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: quite often with the books in a number of ways,

533
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: in tolerance or acceptance, in loving. And the funny thing is, Carrie,

534
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: that I think that kids already know Yep, it's the

535
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: adults right, you know. People always say like, you know, oh,

536
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: kids are colorblind. I totally disagree with that. I kids

537
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: see color, they just don't attach a value to it.

538
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: It's the adult to do that. And so quite often

539
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: I'm like these messages that I'm putting out there, Hopefully

540
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: the parents who are reading the books to the kids

541
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Speaker 1: are kind of picking something up because the kids already know.

542
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: Like I always think about like my son when he

543
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: was younger and going off to camp for the day,

544
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, meeting new people. He would never come home

545
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Speaker 1: and say, like, tell me about somebody's race or gender

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Speaker 1: or religion. He would just say, oh, my gosh, my

547
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: new friend. Mommy. Yeah, he loves Starbucks. I mean, he

548
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: loves star Wars just like I do. He loves Legos

549
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: just like I do. Kids find the commonality and they

550
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Speaker 1: go with it. Adults are more like, oh, but you're different,

551
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: and we don't associate, and you believe and you know,

552
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: and and that is what I think is so unfortunate.

553
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: We just have to think like children. We have to

554
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Speaker 1: get back to that kind of way of viewing the world.

555
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Speaker 3: And when he comes home and he tells you about

556
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Speaker 3: someone he met, he's not telling you what color they are, No, never,

557
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Speaker 3: It's always just here are the quality right? And Wow,

558
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: that's so power. That's a thought that we just don't do.

559
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: We immediately assign value and you put in a box. Yes,

560
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: I see what you mean, and that means this. If

561
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 3: you come from here, yes exactly, and you talk like that,

562
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 3: you move like that, You've already decided who you are

563
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Speaker 3: before we've even given you an opportunity.

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Speaker 2: That's unfortunate.

565
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Speaker 3: I'm really glad that you're that you are here, and

566
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Speaker 3: you are a source of inspiration for me, and definitely

567
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 3: I approve of enlightenment for our children in society because

568
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: we need that so much. I wonder in your downtime,

569
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Speaker 3: outside of running marathons all over the United States of America,

570
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Speaker 3: her downtime six we're six or seven books in six books,

571
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Speaker 3: six books in lots of work. I mean, what do

572
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: you do to just say no, I'm doing nothing. This

573
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 3: is my funny moment. Do you eat Ramen and watch

574
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: Old Sex and the City shows? What do you do

575
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: where you just completely veg out and it doesn't require.

576
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Speaker 1: Yes to do so one thing. I have a really

577
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Speaker 1: bad sweet tooth. Oh good, And that's part of the

578
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Speaker 1: reason why I run. I justify like I can eat

579
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Speaker 1: this and so therefore I can do this, But my

580
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: ideal day, I'm in a robe all day. Mm hmm.

581
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: I watch movies with my son. Yeah, I might be

582
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: taking a nap during part of that time. We're eating

583
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Speaker 1: some like really good takeout food at home and I

584
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: don't leave the house all day, and I look a mess.

585
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: I have no makeup done, no hair done, and I'm

586
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Speaker 1: just in my happy place.

587
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Speaker 3: No, you're not on you're not talking, you're not aware.

588
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Speaker 3: Shoulders are right where they belong, not on your ears,

589
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 3: and you know me just enjoying yourself.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like a lovely time.

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Speaker 3: Is there anything that you're watching that I should bench

592
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Speaker 3: or any past television shows, because I'm in the process

593
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Speaker 3: now I'm catching I for I didn't watch TV for

594
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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine. I just did. I watched news,

596
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 2: I watched sports or watch live events.

597
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: You've got to watch sports all the time.

598
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was no enjoying television. So I just finished

599
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: Game of Throne and I'm trying to have this conversation

600
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 3: with people. They're like, you're about ten years too late.

601
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: I'm like wait, they're like, no, thank you. And then

602
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: I and now I'm watching Homeland or is there anything

603
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: that you've watched in the past or present that you're like,

604
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: this has been my go to show that provides a

605
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Speaker 3: bit of an escape.

606
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Speaker 1: You know, And I'm going to be the same way

607
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: like that you are in that that I'm late because

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Speaker 1: I watched a series maybe it was like seven, uh

609
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Speaker 1: actually episodes with Idris Elba, the Hostage. Oh did you

610
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Speaker 1: watch that?

611
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Speaker 3: You know?

612
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: It was a while ago, right, But I just finally

613
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Speaker 1: was kind of watched that.

614
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: It was what was it called?

615
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Speaker 1: I think it was it called Hostage?

616
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Speaker 3: Ju Queen's what was that that I'm asking my producer

617
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Speaker 3: cut what was that Elba show called on Apple?

618
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Speaker 2: It was a show on Apple TV, you guys, I

619
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Speaker 2: don't remember. I know, I love that show.

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Speaker 1: I want to say it was called Hostage, but I

621
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Speaker 1: totally might be wrong. No, no, no, but but I

622
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Speaker 1: love oh Hi Jack, thank you? Yes, I knew it

623
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Speaker 1: started with an age Hi yes, hijack, Yes, yes, yes,

624
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: I love frivolous, suspense, thriller things that will take me away, huh.

625
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: And it tends to be more that I read like

626
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: novels that like, you know, than than binge a show.

627
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: But but that was one that I really you know.

628
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Speaker 1: That was good. I'm I rarely have the time to

629
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Speaker 1: be able to be like next episode, next episode.

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Speaker 5: That one.

631
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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I gotta watch another.

632
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: I have it, I have I have time now. No,

633
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: that was great.

634
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: Uh, Sabrina, I know his wife, Sabrina, Sabrina, we love.

635
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: She calls him our husband.

636
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,959
Speaker 5: We love. Yes, Yes, we love our husband.

637
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing.

638
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing the world. Lindsey Davis. Thank you so much.

639
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: It's been a pleasure. I know you have lots to

640
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: get to. I just want you to understand that I

641
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: do this and I take extra special care of those

642
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 3: who I see that live in the world that I do.

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Speaker 3: But I've also admired along the way. Although we're peers,

644
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: I still have so much admiration because I know what

645
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: it takes to stay and sustain and to to prosper

646
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: and do your job. Been trying to have a life,

647
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Speaker 3: and so it's just always an honor to meet you

648
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: doing it and with so much grace. You were way

649
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: like a professional.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

651
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Speaker 3: She got here like an hour before I did, and

652
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Speaker 3: I'm coming in on the phone ship, so I'm kidding, but.

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Speaker 5: I was like, oh my god, look, I love it.

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Speaker 1: I want to just if I can gush for a

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Speaker 1: minute with some mutual admiration, because people say, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: who are you most nervous to interview? When I do

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Speaker 1: feel a little concerned is when I'm interviewing someone who

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Speaker 1: is an interviewer and you are fantastic. Thank you. So

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Speaker 1: it's interesting like when people say, oh, you were great whatever.

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Speaker 1: You know, this felt like so comfortable. But now I

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Speaker 1: know what people are looking at because that is what

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Speaker 1: you gave me, was just that comfortability and that space,

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Speaker 1: and you clearly did your homework. And so it's just

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Speaker 1: like an honor to be able to sit across from you.

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Speaker 2: It's a mutual admiration. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you. Lindsey Davis gone by the book. She

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Speaker 3: has six of them, y'all six, five s. I'll list

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Speaker 3: them all for you. Thank you so much for being here,

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me so again. Go out and

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Speaker 3: support Lindsey. Is she not amazing and just so well

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Speaker 3: versed in so many different issues. The book is called

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Speaker 3: Girls of the World Doing More Than Ever. It's a

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Speaker 3: New York Times bestseller. It's her second bestseller, her sixth book.

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Speaker 3: Check them all out. It's Lindsay Davis. Support her. Wherever

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Speaker 3: you get your books, Amazon and the book's shop, wherever

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Speaker 3: you go go out and do that. Last, but not least,

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Speaker 3: I repeat, this is our very last episode of season three.

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Speaker 2: Season four is coming. We appreciate your support.

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Speaker 3: Our hope is that we're bringing you stories that you've

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Speaker 3: never had before and helping you understand more about different folks.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we can do that get to that point where

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Speaker 3: we can have the nuance. So much of what Lindsay

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Speaker 3: and I discussed today was about that, the nuance in

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Speaker 3: the stories. That's where we want to live again. Thank

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Speaker 3: you for supporting all of Naked season one, two and

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Speaker 3: now three.

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Speaker 2: That is a wrap.

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Speaker 3: Big shout out to my crew, Acquease, Dwayne, I'll hold

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Speaker 3: it down.

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Speaker 2: iHeart Black Effects. We did this. See y'all