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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, March twenty First, this is Jackuars Happy Hour.

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Speaker 3: Guys just butter me up every time with these JP

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Speaker 3: once again. Jeff Logman is back with us this week,

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Speaker 3: and we're dog lovers all around, so yeah, we love

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Speaker 2: We both are.

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Speaker 3: It's been a busy week, Jeff. You haven't been here

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Speaker 3: for a little bit, so free agency a lot has

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Speaker 3: been going on while you've been gone, a lot of

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Speaker 3: fresh faces. When you were kind of seeing all these

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Speaker 3: moves go down, what were your thought process? Because last

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Speaker 3: year they didn't do a lot of free agent signing, No, but.

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Speaker 2: I figured that they would be active. And of course,

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Speaker 2: even though I wasn't here, you always follow it because

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Speaker 2: I mean literally, you step away from your which is

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Speaker 2: our source for news nowadays. When you step away from

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Speaker 2: your phone for an hour, you miss a whole bunch

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Speaker 2: of stories. So I was keeping up with my phone,

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Speaker 2: especially with the start of free agency, pretty much NonStop

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Speaker 2: throughout the day. You know, I'm probably a little annoying

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Speaker 2: at times. You're, you know, at spring break with the

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Speaker 2: family and you're checking your phone to see what's going on.

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Speaker 2: But uh, but I thought it was very impressive. The

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Speaker 2: thing that impressed me the most that I've always been

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Speaker 2: a big fan that free agency should be an opportunity

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Speaker 2: to plug holes, and not necessarily necessarily to plug holes

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Speaker 2: with high priced free agents, but to plug holes with

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Speaker 2: good players, some expensive, some not, so that when you

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Speaker 2: go into the draft, you can address the draft in

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Speaker 2: not a needs way, but in a best available player's way,

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Speaker 2: because I think that's the only way that you survive

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Speaker 2: in the National Football League year after year.

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Speaker 3: So many moving parts. Welcome into Jaguars Happy Hour here

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Speaker 3: Florida's water It's worth saving. Kai Stevens here with Jeff Logman. Jeff,

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Speaker 3: we were just talking about this big free agency class.

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Speaker 3: They also were kind of adding they added via trade

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Speaker 3: to their backup quarterback obviously, and then signing Mitch Morres

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Speaker 3: before free agency started. We've been talking about this offensive

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Speaker 3: line for months now at this point. Obviously the back

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Speaker 3: end of last season that was a huge problem. Does

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Speaker 3: kind of sharing up this center, which was an issue,

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Speaker 3: does that hurten you a little bit that they're taking

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Speaker 3: it seriously?

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Speaker 2: Well? I remember me and JP had this conversation and

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Speaker 2: JP was kind of the mind that, hey, you gotta

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Speaker 2: upgrade that. And my whole point was that, look, you

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Speaker 2: can call it that, but I like to refer to

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Speaker 2: it as competition. You can bring in more competition because

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Speaker 2: it's not the It would be wrong to assume that

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Speaker 2: Luke Fortner can't compete for the starting job, but to

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Speaker 2: bring somebody in to compete with him. And I thought

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Speaker 2: Mitch Moore signing, I think it was very good. There's

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Speaker 2: a little history there because Doug Peterson spent a year

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Speaker 2: way back. When he's a good football player. He is

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Speaker 2: much better I think in past protection than he is

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Speaker 2: in run blocking. But to create competition with signings in

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Speaker 2: some situations to I don't want to say shore up

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Speaker 2: better way to put it. Is a great thing. I

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Speaker 2: love that signing. I think it's cost affordable. The money's

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Speaker 2: not crazy, and with Eric Armsett it's a little different.

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Speaker 2: Money goes up a little bit, but you're talking a

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Speaker 3: Yes, I like when you bring up competing because I

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Speaker 3: think a lot of the issues. I mean, people were

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Speaker 3: But you have to have that competition because if you

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Speaker 3: don't have someone kind of behind you pushing you, you're

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Speaker 3: may not get the best out of some people. Some

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Speaker 3: people aren't built that way, right. They need that kind

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Speaker 3: they're professional athletes. You should be motivated on your own.

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Speaker 3: There's plenty of other reasons, but sometimes you need that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there's a saying out there and I

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Speaker 3: Oh, Trent Bulky loves iron.

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Speaker 2: I hate it. It's like, wait a minute, look, great

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Speaker 2: players make make other players better, you know, and and

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Speaker 2: competition makes everybody better, I think is an easier way

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Speaker 2: to put it. And so even like an Eric Armstead,

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Speaker 2: I mean, clearly he's going to have a step above

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Speaker 2: the one thing that he has to do, he's got

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Speaker 2: because from I understand, he's going to be having an

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying he's got to be a double

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Speaker 2: impact that he's had in the past. For the forty

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Speaker 3: We're gonna hear from Eric Armstead a little bit later

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Speaker 3: on the show. He was great kind of in the

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Speaker 3: press conference what we've heard from him so far, he

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Speaker 3: brings in an interesting aspect I've talked about just kind

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Speaker 3: of that that leadership. A lot of these free agents

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Speaker 3: are from winning franchises and franchises that have sustained that,

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Speaker 3: you know, playoffs every season. You know, if it's a

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Speaker 3: to take in the day to day basis. And I

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Speaker 3: think sometime bringing in a veteran presence like that to

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Speaker 3: what we need to do every week if we want

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Speaker 2: Well end quality people, Yes, of course, I think that's

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Speaker 2: a big tast that standard. Yeah, And that's one thing

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Speaker 2: that I give Trent ball Key credit for. And you

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Speaker 2: what Doug has done, what they've done together, is the

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Speaker 2: I mean, talk about a high quality guy, high character guy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, exactly what you want on top of the

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Speaker 2: the beginning line to okay qualification is he a good

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Speaker 2: that they have the other qualities as well. And from

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Speaker 3: And do you want to touch on someone that's not here.

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Speaker 3: We were talking about it, you know, for weeks. Calvin

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Speaker 3: they wanted to wait until free agency so they didn't

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Speaker 3: ended up kind of losing their guy. Do you feel

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Speaker 3: like this was an opportunity that maybe the Jaguars messed

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Speaker 2: With a bag they did not mess up. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to stay true to what I said a while ago,

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Speaker 2: and me and JP had this conversation. I've asked been

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Speaker 2: asked many times by different fans around the city and

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Speaker 2: They've asked me, what do you think about Calvin Ridley?

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Speaker 2: I said, I like them. I like them. They're like,

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Speaker 2: if you tag now, you're giving up a higher draft

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Speaker 2: what sense does that make to give a third round

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Speaker 2: service and the cost of the money. I don't forget

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Speaker 2: what happened during the course of the year with Calvin Ridley.

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Speaker 2: There were times where the quarterback and him were not

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Speaker 2: awareness on certain plays. And I'm not saying that he

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Speaker 2: I think in year two he would have been even better.

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Speaker 2: But everything wasn't great last year. So let's not act

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Speaker 2: like that this was Christian Kirk of two years ago,

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Speaker 2: you know, because that's not the case. And the amount

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Speaker 2: develop wide receivers. And there's nothing wrong with that. But

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Speaker 2: here's the other thing. Gabe Davis is a really good

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Speaker 2: yards of catch the last two years. And he's a

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Speaker 2: big guy. He's not a burner, but he's a guy

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Speaker 2: that I think that uses his size very well. He's

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Speaker 2: very smart, and when you average seventeen yards a catch,

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Speaker 2: you're doing something right. And so I'm a big fan

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Speaker 2: of that signing. And a lot of people may kind

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Speaker 2: of push it off and say, well, it's not Calvin Ridley.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Gabe Davis. If you look at his

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Speaker 2: numbers from a production standpoint, I think he's averaging like

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Speaker 2: seven touchdowns a year. He's given you seventeen yards a catch.

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Speaker 2: He's six foot two to two hundred and twenty five pounds.

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Speaker 2: He's a good football player and he'll fit, I think,

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Speaker 2: into this offense very well. So I think the Jaguars

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Speaker 2: did a very good job with the signing of Gabe Davis.

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Speaker 3: We've been talking a little bit about it on jagsam

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Speaker 3: John Oser and I have a little bit about you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe two years ago, when Trevor had a little bit

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Speaker 3: more of you didn't necessarily have a receiver you felt

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Speaker 3: you had to feed all the time, like maybe Calvin,

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Speaker 3: where if you're not giving him a certain amount of balls,

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Speaker 2: We saw some of that last year.

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Speaker 3: He could spread the ball around a little bit more

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Speaker 3: when they had Marvin Jones Junior. And is that kind

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Speaker 3: of maybe a dynamic they might move forward with now

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Speaker 3: where they have kind of Gabe Davis, Christian Kirk again,

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Speaker 3: you know Zay if he's healthy, and Evan Ingram where

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Speaker 3: they'll spread the ball a little bit around instead of

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Speaker 3: having to feed one person.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you got Justin Jefferson, you feed him the ball.

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Speaker 3: Sure, no one's going to say that. Of course, there

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Speaker 3: It's worth saving. Eric Armstead, the newest addition to the

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Speaker 4: aren't you know, you don't get the full potential out

436
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Speaker 4: of guys because you know they're not around it with

437
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Speaker 4: other great players as well too. So I'm excited to,

438
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Speaker 4: you know, take the field with those guys and you know,

439
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Speaker 4: learn and learn some depas together and I start that journey.

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Speaker 3: We've seen Josh and Trayvon bounce off each other. They

441
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Speaker 3: certainly help each other out there getting sacks or whatever

442
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Speaker 3: it might be. But having someone like Eric Armstead on

443
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Speaker 3: the line has to benefit everybody else.

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Speaker 2: Oh he's trust me, Josh and Trayvon are going to

445
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 2: be thrilled. Eric comes from that, I mean, he came

446
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Speaker 2: from having Bosa on the outside, so that's not anything

447
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 2: new for him, having a talented player on the outside.

448
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Speaker 2: But he's going to help those two guys on the

449
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Speaker 2: outside a ton And I just hope that the Jaguars

450
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Speaker 2: are able to draft and develop somebody that can be

451
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Speaker 2: groomed for that position in the future, because that's that's

452
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Speaker 2: a premium position. It's hard to find three technique pass

453
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Speaker 2: rushers that can do it year in and year out.

454
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Speaker 2: I mean even if you have, for example, if you

455
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Speaker 2: have an edge rusher and he's getting ten sacks a year,

456
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Speaker 2: double digits, you've got a really good player For an

457
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Speaker 2: interior pass rusher. To get ten sacks, that's considered great

458
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Speaker 2: for an interior guy. And Armstead has been in that.

459
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Speaker 2: You know that five plus anywhere up to ten in

460
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Speaker 2: his career, which is really good and really consistent. But again,

461
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Speaker 2: that's you got to have two on the inside, and

462
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Speaker 2: a lot of people are going to say, well, you

463
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Speaker 2: know what, you can move Trayvon on the inside and

464
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Speaker 2: you can find a guy on the outside. Well that

465
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Speaker 2: you can do that if you find an edge guy

466
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Speaker 2: to compliment everybody else, but that's not Trayvon is a

467
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Speaker 2: first and foremost he's more of an edge player. He

468
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Speaker 2: doesn't have the size to be on the inside down

469
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Speaker 2: after down. A lot of people think that that's where

470
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Speaker 2: he belongs naturally, and it kind of gets a littlennoying

471
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Speaker 2: here in that, because I mean, Trayvon is an end

472
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Speaker 2: type player. If he goes inside, then I think it's

473
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Speaker 2: going to be in more of a pass rush type

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Speaker 2: of situation. But he that's not where he's going to

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Speaker 2: make his living at.

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Speaker 3: Are you excited to kind of see what Ryan Nielsen

477
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Speaker 3: is gonna do with this new roster he has on defense?

478
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Speaker 3: Obviously we know it's going to be a different scheme

479
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Speaker 3: than what we've seen before, but what he's going to

480
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Speaker 3: be able to do with these pieces.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the chess pieces are gonna dictate what you can

482
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Speaker 2: and can't do. And I hate to use players as

483
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Speaker 2: chess pieces, but in the scheme of things, that's kind

484
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Speaker 2: of what it is when you look at scheme, and

485
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Speaker 2: so for for coaches, you want to find out what

486
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Speaker 2: you have before you kind of determine what you do.

487
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Speaker 2: You're gonna have everything in the book because you're going

488
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Speaker 2: to try to have some flexibility and be multiple, and

489
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Speaker 2: that's a popular term among coaches nowadays. But I think

490
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Speaker 2: Ryan's gonna learn pretty quick what he has and what

491
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Speaker 2: he doesn't have. One of the biggest things that dictate

492
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Speaker 2: dictates your style is going to be your corner position.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, where are you going to be at

494
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Speaker 2: And so you got Darby Okay to replace a guy,

495
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Speaker 2: but you know, are you going to draft a guy

496
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Speaker 2: or are you going to do it high? You know,

497
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Speaker 2: what is your covered situation going to be? Because we saw,

498
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Speaker 2: for example, you look at the last couple years. In

499
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Speaker 2: the last two years the Jaguars defense, they wanted to

500
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Speaker 2: be more of a man based defense, but they learned

501
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: quickly that that was not the style that they could

502
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Speaker 2: have success with. So the players dictate a lot of that.

503
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Speaker 2: So I hope that they can get more talent in

504
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Speaker 2: at that corner position to be able to play more

505
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Speaker 2: man coverage because it will allow Ryan Nielsen to be

506
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Speaker 2: more multiple and do a lot of different things. Because

507
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Speaker 2: that's when defense has become dangerous, is when they can

508
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Speaker 2: do a lot a lot of things good because then

509
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Speaker 2: you can disguise and look one way and play another way,

510
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Speaker 2: and it's hard for offensive coordinators to really find a

511
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Speaker 2: rhythm when you have a defense that you can do

512
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Speaker 2: a lot of different things and do well.

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Speaker 3: Jags fans, we want to invite you to join us

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Speaker 3: now at Jaguars dot com slash bray Futures. We talked

518
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Speaker 3: a little bit about this already, but you know, they

519
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: cut Rayson, they cut Darius, and then they kind of

520
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 3: filled back in with Darby and Savage. But dB has

521
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Speaker 3: to be on the draft list, right Obviously you're going

522
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Speaker 3: to see how the board falls, but i'd imagine you

523
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 3: want to get some young talent in there and see

524
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Speaker 3: what you got. Also, Antonio Johnson, we have to mention

525
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Speaker 3: we'll see more playing time from him and where they're

526
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Speaker 3: going to use him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the ray Seon thing cutting him totally understood that

528
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Speaker 2: I kind of predicted at the end of the year

529
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Speaker 2: last year. Once we kind of got a look at

530
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Speaker 2: Antonio Johnson and his skill level. I said, well, I

531
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Speaker 2: love Rayshon and he was the hero, you know what,

532
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Speaker 2: not last year, but the year before that. You know,

533
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Speaker 2: the Dallas game, the Tennessee game. He had two huge

534
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Speaker 2: plays in those games, game winners. And you'd hate to

535
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Speaker 2: have to say goodbye to a guy like that, but look,

536
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Speaker 2: that's part of the business. And with the development of

537
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Speaker 2: Antonio Johnson, I could kind of see that coming. Didn't

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Speaker 2: necessarily see the Darius Williams thing coming. I thought he

539
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Speaker 2: had arguably one of the best seasons of a corner

540
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Speaker 2: in the league, probably in the top ten. But I

541
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Speaker 2: understand it. You know, the cap ramifications. Darby's a guy

542
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Speaker 2: that comes in, he's got experience, costs a whole lot less.

543
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Speaker 2: So but I think you know, when you were asking

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Speaker 2: earlier about where do you think the Jaguars will use

545
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Speaker 2: a pick to get a wide receiver and maybe a corner,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think the corner is going to be

547
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Speaker 2: round one, round two, round three. It'll be somewhere near

548
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Speaker 2: the top because once you get out of round one,

549
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Speaker 2: two or three, the percentages of that player hitting, you know,

550
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Speaker 2: and it's the percentages of games always, but the percentages

551
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Speaker 2: for that position are.

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Speaker 3: Not very high, not good adds No, I'm definitely going

553
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Speaker 3: to go early if you want to get a.

554
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Speaker 2: dB force, if you want to get a good one.

555
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Speaker 3: A good one, a talented one, which is what we want.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, you have Tyson Campbell right now, but Tyson

557
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: Campbell is not coming off the best year.

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Speaker 3: And he's going to be up for contract him and

559
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Speaker 3: Cisco next year. So these are kind of proven years

560
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Speaker 3: for them as well well.

561
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Speaker 2: And you know the great thing about having players that

562
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: are good if they end up having to walk. And

563
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens have been the best in the league

564
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Speaker 2: at that is that they continue to replenish the roster

565
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Speaker 2: with their draft and then they allow certain players to walk,

566
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Speaker 2: then they in return get compensatory picks to be able

567
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Speaker 2: to draft replacements. And I mean, so the Ravens are

568
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Speaker 2: one of the best at it. With Ozzie Newsom and

569
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Speaker 2: now Eric Tacosta there are two of the best at that.

570
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Speaker 2: And you know, this organization is trying to get to

571
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Speaker 2: that style to where they're constantly replenishing, you know, and

572
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Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley is going to be a compensatory pick reward

573
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Speaker 2: for this football team in twenty twenty five, and so

574
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Speaker 2: sometimes you have to look at it from that perspective

575
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Speaker 2: that even if we let certain players walk that are good, hey,

576
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Speaker 2: what can we replace them with and what can we

577
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Speaker 2: get in return by letting them walk?

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Speaker 3: Right halfway through here on Happy Hour, when we return,

579
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Speaker 3: we're going to talk a little bit about the offense,

580
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Speaker 3: the wide receiver room, that offensive line, all that more

581
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Speaker 3: here on Jaguar's Happy Hour.

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Speaker 5: I feel like I'm I'm very versatile and can you know,

583
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Speaker 5: play any type of game that any we play, whichever week,

584
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Speaker 5: any any other week, you know, so that I feel

585
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 5: like that's what I bring. I was a twenty four

586
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 5: year old captain at Buffalo. I feel like I I

587
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 5: I got good leadership skills and I was voted back

588
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Speaker 5: to back hardest worker there as well. Uh That's what

589
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Speaker 5: I try to to to prove to my teammates that

590
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 5: they can trust me because they see the sacrifice that

591
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 5: I put in for my team and they see that.

592
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Speaker 5: You know, I love this game and I don't take

593
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 5: it for granted cause it's brought me so much. So

594
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 5: I try to show the guys that you know when

595
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 5: times are tough, they can they they can depend on me.

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Speaker 3: That's your new wide receiver, Gabe Davis here on Happy Hour,

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Speaker 3: presented by the Saint John's River Water Management District, Florida's

598
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Speaker 3: water It's worth saving, Jeff, I know you're a big

599
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Speaker 3: fan of Gabe dab Love that guy, what he's been

600
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Speaker 3: able to do. Big play Gabe over there.

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Speaker 2: YEA, love him. I mean just listening to him right there.

602
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Speaker 2: I mean if you don't love that, I mean there's

603
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 2: there's something wrong with you. Sure you know he doesn't

604
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 2: take anything for granted, how hard he works, and he's

605
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Speaker 2: the impressive parts. When they signed him, I remember looking

606
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Speaker 2: at his numbers, and that's kind of the first thing

607
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: you look at is say, Okay, let me see what

608
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Speaker 2: he's done. And over the last couple of years he's

609
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Speaker 2: averaged about seventeen yards a reception average, about seven touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: He hasn't had a ton of balls, but I think

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Speaker 2: he's going to get more balls than he's gotten in

612
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: the past here than he has gotten in Buffalo. And

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Speaker 2: so my first thought was, and this also, we're going

614
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Speaker 2: to take a look at him in the film room

615
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: coming up on Jaguars social media is Okay, you see

616
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Speaker 2: that seventeen yards of catch and your first reaction is,

617
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Speaker 2: guy must have great speed. So my first thing after

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Speaker 2: looking at his numbers, I said, okay, well if he's

619
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Speaker 2: got seventeen yards a catch, because I always knew they

620
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Speaker 2: called him big play game for reason, so I kind

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Speaker 2: of knew that he had a high yards per catch average.

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Speaker 2: And so I said, okay, well, if he's not fast,

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Speaker 2: how is he doing it? Because he only ran like

624
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Speaker 2: four or five five reportedly coming out of college. So

625
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Speaker 2: start watching the film on him, and he does so

626
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: many different subtle things. He's a great route runner, he's

627
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: got great size, and he works as a tailoff. When

628
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Speaker 2: he talks about working hard, scramble rules situation with Josh Allen,

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Speaker 2: his quarterback at Buffalo, him and Josh had a nice

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Speaker 2: single on in scramble rules because he always worked to

631
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Speaker 2: get open first quarterback and a lot of his big

632
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: plays came from that situation. And then he used his

633
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Speaker 2: size to create separation. Pass interference probably could have been

634
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: called him a few situations, but he's very smart about it.

635
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Speaker 2: And then the good ones are so I love the signing.

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Speaker 2: And if somebody had asked me straight up, would you

637
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Speaker 2: take Gabe Davis or Calvin Ridley? I'm taking Gabe Davis.

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Speaker 3: Is it just the separation? Is it those little intangibles

639
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: that you feel like he's bringing that with the team

640
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 3: didn't have before that makes you say that.

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Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley in a lot of ways to me was

642
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: like a Christian Kirk.

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Speaker 3: Right, but wasn't used that way necessarily.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we got a guy that moves like that that's

647
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Speaker 2: more of a slot player, which is which Calvin and

648
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: Christian are. You don't need that two of those guys.

649
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Speaker 2: I mean, if they're great, okay, that's fine, But I

650
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Speaker 2: don't think Calvin really is the level of Christian Kirk

651
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Speaker 2: for this offense at that position in my opinion. But

652
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: this offense I think needed somebody that was different. Zay

653
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: Jones was a very good double move guy that could

654
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 2: give this offense a little bit of a vertical element

655
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: gave Davis can provide that as well. And he only

656
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: runs like a four or five five, but he's also

657
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: a big body. He's six two, two hundred and twenty

658
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: five pounds. You know, there's a play that I'm going

659
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: to show that he literally a scramblele situation, he ends

660
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: up finding an opening and then drags a linebacker ten

661
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: yards into the end zone. I mean, Calvin really is

662
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: not going to drag a linebacker into the end zone

663
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: from ten yards away. It's just not going to happen. So,

664
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I love that signing, and also

665
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: I love it from the standpoint of it's not what

666
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: get like fifty million.

667
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: Fifty guarantee ninety two over yeah.

668
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: Twenty something a year. I mean, you know, and here's

669
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: the reality, and if you're putting the team together, that

670
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: has to be a factor indetermining whether a guy is

671
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: on your team or not, because if it costs you

672
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: more that position, that means somewhere else you can't spend

673
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: that money.

674
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: It's a game. Many parts to this game that you

675
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: have to think about, and of course money is the

676
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 3: biggest factor with a lot of this stuff. Also on offense,

677
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 3: we should continue to kind of talk about some of

678
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: these free agents. Devin Duvernet is going to be their

679
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 3: new kick return guy, which means Agnew will most likely

680
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 3: be moving on to it.

681
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, his contract has expired, So when you sign a

682
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: guy like that, that means Agnews it's time.

683
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: For him to move on literally, and just is this

684
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 3: like carbon copy situation. They feel like it's a little

685
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: bit of an upgrade.

686
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: Just I mean, I don't want to say an upgrade,

687
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: because I mean, Jamal Agnew has been one of the

688
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: best return guys in the league and provided this football

689
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: team with a ton of sparks and a ton of

690
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: big plays. But I think he's a really good player

691
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: that has great return ability, but then also the ability

692
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: to have a role in the offense probably more of

693
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: a of a wide receiver role than what Jamal Jamal's

694
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: kind of what's the right word. He's kind of had

695
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: a specialty role in the offense.

696
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, a certain plays he was utilized for or not.

697
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: Right, So I think Duven is going to be a

698
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: fun player. Another pick, by the way, that's going to

699
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: give the Baltimore Ravens a compensatory pick with Darby as.

700
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 3: Darby two both of those guys.

701
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: We're just actually talking about that in the break, and

702
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 2: I think the Baltimore Ravens are lined up with Patrick

703
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: Queen and Duvernet and Darby to get a total of

704
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: like four compensatory picks. That's where you want to get

705
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: at some point, what.

706
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: Do you make of the mac Jones trade situation.

707
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: I know it's I think it's I think I love it. Here,

708
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: here's a couple of reasons why I love it. First

709
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: and foremost, he's a Jacksonville kid. Okay, he went to

710
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: Bowls Okay, ended up going to Alabama, which is not local.

711
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: But he's a local guy. He had a tough couple years,

712
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: and I think it will be good for Trevor. I

713
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: think it'll be good for the backup quarterback situation here

714
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: in Jacksonville. And so you gave up his sixth round

715
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: pick for him for mac Jones. Okay. There's still a

716
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: lot of teams around the league that still have and

717
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: refer back to their college when he was coming out,

718
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: the college evaluation of him, and so if he does

719
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: become available to them, they're going to look back at

720
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: that and say, yeah, we really had him rated highly.

721
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: We had a grown let's say a first round great

722
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: on him or a second round grade for the teams

723
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: that didn't maybe weren't big believers in him. But let's

724
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: say that Trevor gets hurt, gets hurt. Now you've got

725
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: a guy that has a heck of a lot of

726
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: starting experience, and let's say he plays for four or

727
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: five games. Okay, first of all, you want a backup

728
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: quarterback to play well if he plays well in that

729
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: limited opportunity that he has, and he plays well, and

730
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, you're not looking at getting

731
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: a six round pick in return. You look at number

732
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: one getting a compensatory pick. But then you're also looking

733
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: at an opportunity of tagging and trading a guy you know,

734
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: for example, Rob Johnson years ago, and this is back

735
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: in the early Jaguars history. Rob Johnson played in the

736
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: limited amount of games when Mark Burnell got hurt, played

737
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 2: very well. They ended up trading Rob Johnson to the

738
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills and they got the ninth overall pick in

739
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: the draft, which resulted in getting Fred Taylor. Pretty good

740
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: return that did. Okay, Yeah, the sixth round pick is

741
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: minimal for the risk that it could end up rewarding

742
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 2: you with down the road, as not only as him

743
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 2: as a player for your organization, but also maybe something

744
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: more as a possibility as well.

745
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: You guys, I came from New England originally before it came,

746
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: so I saw some of what Mack dealt with up there,

747
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: and it was a tough situation, obviously coming in a

748
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 3: year and half after Tom Brady was there, So that's

749
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 3: not great. And they didn't set up they didn't set

750
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 3: him up. They haven't been a good team for a while.

751
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: They had a defensive coordinator as his offensive coordinator.

752
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the hell, what are you doing?

753
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 3: So, I mean part of it Bill Belichick.

754
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you wouldn't think that Bill Belichick would handle

755
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 2: a situation like that, one of the greatest coaches of

756
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: all time. To have a defensive coach take over his

757
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, to not have a declared offensive coordinator for

758
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: a period of time wasn't the best handling of that

759
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: situation at all.

760
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: To me, that's the epitome of one of those where

761
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: you have a rookie that isn't a bad situation and

762
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 3: then the confidence is gone and then there's just nothing

763
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: you can do to get it back at that point.

764
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 3: So I find it intriguing that. I'm sure part of

765
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: what Doug Peterson finds intriguing, having been a quarterback himself,

766
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 3: is thinking I can help with this situation. I'm sure

767
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: he's got to be thinking that bring him into a

768
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 3: better environment, a good quarterback room. Ma's not coming in

769
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: to save the day. He knows, he knows what he's

770
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 3: coming in. He knows his role here, so that can

771
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 3: all benefit him to be able to be like, hey,

772
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: maybe I can come in if Trevor miss is a

773
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 3: game or two. The season's not automatically over right, You're

774
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 3: not petrified running him out there several weeks in a

775
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 3: row where Trevor has been hurt, playing on no practice

776
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 3: time because you think you need him to play. If

777
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 3: you have a serviceable, you know, backup Mac Jones that

778
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: can win you a game or two that changes the season.

779
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 2: Well, and CJ is going to compete, it's going to

780
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: be a sure Yeah. And did I ever tell you

781
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: the story about the first time I ever saw Mac

782
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: Jones play football?

783
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: No is in high school or is this before that

784
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 3: high school?

785
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: Okay, so we were I was at the Bulls game

786
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: and sitting in the bleachers because my son was going

787
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 2: to Bulls. And I'm sitting next to buddy mind Chris Kirby,

788
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: and Chris and I are, you know, just sitting there

789
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: watching a football game. We're chatting, you know, about different things,

790
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you see Bulls start throwing

791
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: the football, and I went, wow, that kid can really

792
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 2: throw the football, which you know, if you've watched Bulls

793
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: football for years under Quirky Rogers, is all they ever

794
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: did was run the football, they didn't throw it. And

795
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, they had this kid throwing the ball.

796
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: Like the kid's pretty good, and Chriss like, oh, yeah,

797
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: that's that that mac Jones kid. He's going to Alabama.

798
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, he's pretty good. So it was

799
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: first time I ever saw him, and uh, yeah, he

800
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: was pretty good at that school.

801
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 3: Now all right, I was gonna try to run it back,

802
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 3: come home, get some of that home cooking, get that

803
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 3: going again.

804
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 2: I mean, look he's got uh he's got hometown fans

805
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: behind him, and uh he gets home cooking and and

806
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: then regain the confidence and regain his swagger behind the starter.

807
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 2: But you know what, here's the other thing wrong with

808
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: a little bit of push.

809
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, everybody competed. We've seen last year alone,

810
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 3: how many backups did we see out there?

811
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: Like yeah, and I'm not saying that Trevor's gonna get some.

812
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 3: Playing, no, not that, but like they are.

813
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 2: Needed and get everybody gets better.

814
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 3: Maybe doesn't rush back and play on a Thursday game

815
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 3: when he heard his knee. You know, those kinds of

816
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: things that could be helpful.

817
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: Well, because last year I felt like that at times

818
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: that Tever shouldn't maybe not have decided to play in

819
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: some of those situations, and maybe wasn't the best thing

820
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: in the world. I don't know.

821
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 3: Yes, hindsight's twenty twenty. We look at it now and

822
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: it's like very close, but we understood it. So we'll

823
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 3: see what if this changes this dynamic a little bit.

824
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: And look at Max's rookie year. He was really good.

825
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: He had a really good rookie year, and then it

826
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: was kind of tough sledding after that. And again, I

827
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 2: think some of the mismanagement of the offensive side of

828
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: the coaching staff by Belichick. And I'm not one to

829
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: be quick to criticize Bill Belichick because he's the greatest

830
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 2: coach of all time in my opinion, but I don't

831
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: think he did a great job there.

832
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 3: The offensive side of the ball was definitely an issue

833
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 3: the last couple of years for Mac. Let's talk about

834
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 3: our offensive line a little bit. We talked a little

835
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: bit about what Mitch Morris is going to bring hopefully

836
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 3: at the center position. Competition for sure, But if he

837
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 3: starts there, I don't.

838
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: See him losing that competition.

839
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 3: I don't see him losing that competition either, But well

840
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 3: it is, we'll call it a competition. As Cleveland got extended,

841
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: Cam's still here for right now, Walker Little's on the

842
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 3: last year of his deal. Where do we see the

843
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 3: future of the line going, because that can be, that

844
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: might be very well be an early draft pick too,

845
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 3: could be.

846
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: And I think you always consider adding to the people

847
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: that protect your franchise quarterback. I think that you always

848
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 2: have to think about that. It's a group that as

849
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 2: a whole they need to get better. And a lot

850
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: of people I think minimize the re signing of Ezra Cleveland.

851
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: But I'm here to tell you that was smart business.

852
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: I was not a fan of last year when you

853
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: had an injury at left tackle that you put Ezra

854
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: Cleveland at left tackle going against Miles Garrett Cleveland. In

855
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: my opinion, you don't weaken two positions.

856
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: By moving someone over.

857
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: By moving a guy who has a comfort zone and oh,

858
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: by the way, he just got to this football team,

859
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: by moving him out, I thought that they should have

860
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: put in somebody else and then just gave that somebody

861
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: else some help and then left Ezra at left guard

862
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: because you know, I thought Ezra when he was healthy,

863
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: was their best offensive lineman last year, and so I'm

864
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: a big fan of them resigning him. And it didn't

865
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: cost a lot of money.

866
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: So especially when you see some of these other offensive

867
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: lineman contracts that were going out after, you feel a

868
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: little bit better about risk be done earlier well.

869
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 2: And I think the first reportings of Ezra's contract were

870
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: a little out of whack to what the reality was.

871
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 2: And then I really liked the signing of Mitch Morse

872
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 2: to provide competition at center. I mean, clearly, last year

873
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: the center position did not have the productivity, the production,

874
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: whatever you want to say, of where it needed to be.

875
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: And Mitch Morris bring in competition. I think he's going

876
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: to end up being the starter. He's a veteran guy,

877
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: He's got a little bit more oomph to him, very

878
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: good in past protection and moves really well. You know,

879
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: that's one of the reasons why, you know, last year

880
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: when they were struggling a little bit at the center position,

881
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 2: and I think Luke can get better. But last year

882
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: they've struggling at that position. Okay, do they have an option? Well,

883
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: with this offense that the Jaguars have, the center's got

884
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: to be able to move. I mean, they have an

885
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 2: offensive line the case, center's got to be able to move.

886
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 2: Mitch Morris can move, he can snap, and he can pull,

887
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: he can get out in space. I mean, so he's

888
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 2: a good fit for the scheme and I think he's

889
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: going to be the eventual starter. And the question will

890
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 2: be will will Luke Fortner upgrade his abilities? Will he

891
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: get stronger? And then the other question is will he

892
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 2: provide this team with some positional flexibility? Can he play

893
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: guard and can he play center? Because you know Tyler

894
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: Shatley is probably going to be retired or going somewhere else,

895
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: So can he be fill that Tyler Shatley role for

896
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: this football team going forward? I think that's an interesting question.

897
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 3: If we look at some of the young guys on

898
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: the line. Anton had a great rookie year right tackle.

899
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: I think you should be left tackled.

900
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 3: Do you see him at left tackle?

901
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: Took the feet, He's got the feet, excellent pass protection

902
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: last year. I mean, you look at some of the

903
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: quality of the players that he had to face.

904
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: Especially right out of the gate, like.

905
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: To do that, and he did a great job. He's

906
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 2: got great feet. I think he's going to get bigger.

907
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 2: And remember, let's not forget he played with a a

908
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:36,959
Speaker 2: hurt shoulder all.

909
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 3: Year from training camp on you and.

910
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 2: Was wearing what appeared to be like a shoulder harness,

911
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: which indicates you know, something's not right. And he doesn't

912
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: have all his strength there in that and it was

913
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: his outside arm, his right tackle to right shoulder. But

914
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 2: I think he's a natural left tackle. Just his feet

915
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 2: are just so good. He's one of those guys that

916
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 2: you could put at left tackle against some of the

917
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: premium pass rushers and have total confidence that you're not

918
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: going to need to help him. And then okay, you

919
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: figure out what you're gonna do it, right, Okay, you've

920
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 2: got some options there, and uh Cam at right tackle,

921
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 2: Walker Little at right tackle, draft pick up right.

922
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 3: Tackle draft pick question mark, Yeah.

923
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got you got some somebody.

924
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 3: In the mix. All right, stay with us here on

925
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: Jaguars Happy Hour. We're wrapping things up soon, but first

926
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: we're gonna do some Microsoft Social media questions. Have some

927
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: answers for you, So stay with us here on Jaguars

928
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: Happy Hour. Yeah, my mom's coming to pick me up

929
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: in about thirty minutes.

930
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 2: It's kind of nice when your mom can pick you

931
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 2: up from work.

932
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 3: So but it'll be good.

933
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: I think, Like I said, I'm just looking forward to

934
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: meeting the guys and.

935
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: Every mom driving carpool again. Mac Jones got picked up

936
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 3: by his mom on press day last week, which is

937
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 3: for him, perfect for him. Thank You're Unhappy Hour, Kay.

938
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 3: Nannie Stevens feeling for JP. Jeff Logoman is with me.

939
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 3: We talked a lot about some of these free agents,

940
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: some of these news faces coming in filling some needs,

941
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 3: which is great, and also just bringing competition which we

942
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 3: haven't seen at certain positions. So that's good too.

943
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know the kicker Joey Sly being brought in,

944
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 2: and I think that's just the beginning for that position.

945
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 3: Sure there's more to come.

946
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's more to come, and whether that's

947
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: in free agency or whether that's through a draft picker draft.

948
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: I know in the last couple of years they had

949
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: their eyes on a couple ofkickers that ended up getting drafted,

950
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 2: but they ended up missing out because the player that

951
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 2: they coveted ended up getting picked before their opportunity came.

952
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: So every position in the perfect world, you would like

953
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,479
Speaker 2: to have the holes plugged and then go into free

954
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,959
Speaker 2: agency or go into the draft and then be able

955
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: to get best available player, and then some of the

956
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: positions that may you don't end up getting what you wanted.

957
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: Free agency is not over, you know, free agency is

958
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: still going on, and then the price tach continues to

959
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: drop as free agency wears on. So then you start

960
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: to get some opportunities at players that are bargaining I

961
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: don't want to say bargain basement price, but on a

962
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: much more affordable deals.

963
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 3: We love a discount, we love a sale abolutely.

964
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 2: And those are in a lot of time. Those there

965
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: are some players that fall into that category at that

966
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 2: time that are good players, but they just didn't get

967
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: the long term contract that they wanted. So now you're

968
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: talking about getting a player who's highly motivated, who wants

969
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: a one year, prove it deal, And I don't think

970
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: there's anything better than having a player on a one

971
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: year proven deal because you're going to.

972
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 3: Get his best, absolute best, because they want that money.

973
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's when you get it. I mean you

974
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: get those guys a lot of times in that window,

975
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: which is after the draft.

976
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 3: Can't blame them for that. Let's go into some of

977
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 3: our social media questions powered by Microsoft. We got some

978
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: viewers here, Jeff. We got Michael from Orange Park first,

979
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: who says Calvin Ridley says he loves the Jaguars and

980
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: he wants to come back, but that he signs for

981
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: an extra twelve million dollars. Where is the loyalty there?

982
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: I think it's a guaranteed money. It would be the problem, right,

983
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: I mean, look, you can have half of it guaranteed.

984
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley approaches it is you should and that it's

985
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: a business. I mean, at the end of the day,

986
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,959
Speaker 2: the team is running a business to win football games

987
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: and manage their cap and for the player, you're running

988
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: one person business. And so I don't fault Calvin Ridley

989
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: for saying all the right things and then leaving to

990
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: go with the Tennessee Titans. I mean, it's just that's business.

991
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: I'll never forget when Reggie White had the opportunity to

992
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 2: leave the Philadelphia Eagles and arguably one of the greatest

993
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: players ever and had an opportunity to go play for

994
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: whoever he wanted to go play for, and he was

995
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 2: on a tour and chose the Green Bay Packers, And

996
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: Reggie said that, you know, he prayed hard about it

997
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: and he felt that God was guiding him in the

998
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 2: direction of the Green Bay Packers, which is great. And

999
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 2: as players, you know, because I was playing at the time,

1000
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: we all said, yeah, it was in God, we trust, yes,

1001
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: which is on the dollar bill, you know, and you know,

1002
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: and that's that's nothing wrong with that, you know there

1003
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: and was certain players, Okay, if the money's close, okay,

1004
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: then you can decide, Okay, look, I like the other

1005
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: things better that go along with choosing a club that

1006
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: maybe not be at the top of the money, but

1007
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: the money's got to be close to get to start

1008
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: to weigh in those other things that could factor in.

1009
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: Yes, money's number one, and that was a huge deal,

1010
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 3: So that makes sense in terms of that. Our second

1011
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 3: fan question is going to be from Eric from Saint Augustine.

1012
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 3: He says free agency is over in his mind, at

1013
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: least it's round one now. Jaguars are on the clock

1014
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 3: at seventeen. Who you got what position is the biggest need?

1015
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 3: I know we've talked about a couple of different things,

1016
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 3: But what's the biggest need.

1017
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: Well, as I told you, I'm not going to draft

1018
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: for me, but if I had to draft for need,

1019
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 2: I mean, right now, I'm gonna draft a Yeah. I

1020
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: mean because there's a there's definitely a hole at that

1021
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: with Darius Williams being gone and in the National Football League,

1022
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: you really need three. So you got Darby, you got

1023
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: Tyson Campbell, And is Darby a premium player? I mean,

1024
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's a premium player, but he's

1025
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: a solid player. So you need to find you need

1026
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 2: to find somebody that has the ability to play some

1027
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: man coverage against a premium player. I think Tyson's a

1028
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: really good player, but I wouldn't say that Tyson's a

1029
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: premium player and playing man coverage, I think he's a

1030
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: good player. I think he's more suited to play in zone.

1031
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean corner. If I had to say

1032
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 2: right now, based on need.

1033
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 3: Yep young Man's game, So I think that's definitely a

1034
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 3: viable option. I've been leaning corner last week or so.

1035
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 3: I think that's probably the way they're going to go.

1036
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 3: And then maybe Linement I'm not really sure, Like big guys.

1037
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 3: I know Trent balk likes to get the large, tall,

1038
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: physicals vestman so that.

1039
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 2: There's a tackle. If there's a tackle there, that gives

1040
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 2: you a real, really physical player that can take your

1041
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: offensive line to a different level in physicality. That also

1042
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: may give you some flexibility to maybe play that guard

1043
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 2: for a year. Then I think you got to consider that.

1044
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 2: Probably wouldn't be a big fan of drafting wide receiver

1045
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 2: in round one, just because I like some of the

1046
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: wide receivers that we currently have. But then again, if

1047
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson is on there and available and you're on

1048
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 2: the clock, you can't turn that down.

1049
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 3: Is this a deep enough draft where everybody says it's

1050
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 3: a really good wide receiver draft. Could you get someone

1051
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 3: later in the fourth that's serviceable or is it like

1052
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 3: where do you see that? Because they don't have that

1053
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 3: third anymore that they lost from Calvin, So it's kind

1054
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: of the first two and then a little bit of

1055
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 3: time until they have another pick. Is identifying that's going

1056
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 3: to be hard? Is that possible a later pick?

1057
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: That's the one thing to bring up the whole Okay,

1058
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 2: And I was hoping in that last year when they

1059
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: had all of those picks last year that they will

1060
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: be able to trade some of them to move to

1061
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 2: this year, but they weren't.

1062
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 3: Able to do that unctually. They're not They had so

1063
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 3: many last year now it's kind of like you wish

1064
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 3: you had a little this year. But we'll see what

1065
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 3: they can do. We've got a couple more weeks. We're

1066
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 3: going to dive into this, try to figure out exactly

1067
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 3: where they're going with the draft, and then they'll probably

1068
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 3: do something else, but we're gonna look into it nonetheless.

1069
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: Jeff Logerman, Kayanti Stevens filling in for JPJ people. Be

1070
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 3: back with you guys on Happy Hour next week. Appreciate

1071
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 3: you joining us.