WEBVTT - CLASSIC: The Ghislaine Maxwell Update: Who killed Robert Maxwell? 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:04.520 Fellow conspiracy realist. Every so often, we run into a 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:09.479 classic episode that only becomes more relevant over time. As 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:15.160 we're gearing up for a new chapter in our series 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:18.799 on Epstein, tune in for was Epstein a Spy? We're 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:24.160 returning to this episode from twenty twenty, the Gallaine Maxwell Update? 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.320 Who killed Robert Maxwell? 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.280 Robert Maxwell? Who's that you know? 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:34.800 Maxwell? The Maxwell House? Maxwell's Oh, Maxwell's silver hammer? No, 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.960 not true. This is something that I actually hadn't really 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:40.440 thought about in a hot minute. We're talking about Gelaine 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:44.760 Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell, who passed away under super mysterious 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:46.440 and sketchy circumstances. 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:49.120 One last non consensual swimming lesson. 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:53.600 Hey, did you ever hear our episode on the octopus 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:58.640 or the Promise software scandal? Robert Maxwell is at the 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:02.040 heart of those What are those things? Just look them up. 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:06.640 We'll listen to those episodes too, because this guy supposedly 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.880 did a whole thing with Promise, a buged version that 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:11.640 spied on governments. 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:13.800 Let's roll the tape. 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:20.800 From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:25.200 riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:28.240 learn this stuff. They Don't want you to know a 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.039 production of iHeartRadio. 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.080 Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:44.080 my name is Noah. 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.760 They call me Ben. We are joined as always with 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:51.320 our super producer Paul. Mission control decands most importantly, you 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:55.160 are you, You are here, and that makes this stuff 0:01:55.320 --> 0:02:00.000 they don't want you to know. As we record today, 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:05.400 Maxwell is currently incarcerated and trying desperately to get out 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.720 of to get out of jail in time for the holidays. 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:14.839 You might recognize this name, folks. It's most associated with 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:19.959 Jeffrey Epstein, the convicted child abuser who died under mysterious 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:25.360 circumstances while in prison. We did a multi part series 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:27.560 on this how it was a three four episodes. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.600 Yeah, we've done several updates since that series too, So yeah, 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:32.360 there's a lot. 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:35.120 Did we even do like an update to the update 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.240 or we added like an addendum or something? Is there 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:38.519 was some breaking news that day? 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:40.200 Yes, that is correct. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:41.760 Hotel room if I'm not mistaken. 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.760 We recorded one of the last bits of that update 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:51.239 in a hotel room as the as the story was developing. 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:57.800 And we're returning today for an update on Galaine Maxwell, 0:02:57.800 --> 0:02:59.560 who was in the news a little bit, but not 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:03.239 getting as much coverage. Hadn't been getting as much coverage 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:09.000 as Epstein for a time. That changed recently for some 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:13.080 very odd reasons. But let's start at the beginning with Glaine. 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:14.880 Here are the facts. 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:19.679 Gallaine Maxwell was born in France on Christmas Day, December 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:23.640 of nineteen sixty one. As she was the youngest child 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:28.040 of media magnate some might describe as disgraced media magnate 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:33.680 Robert Maxwell. He founded a publishing house that went on 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:38.920 to be quite successful called Pergamon Press. She was one 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:43.839 of nine children, and she grew up in absolute opulence 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.760 of the highest order. She lived in a mansion that 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:49.480 had a name, you know, and you know it's a 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:51.640 mansion if it has a name, that's more like an estate. 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:53.720 And it had a great one, a very British one, 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:55.160 Headington Hill Hall. 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:59.280 It's a good name. And Maxwell is also pretty interesting 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:00.400 and cool name. 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.280 It always makes me think of that Beatles song, Maxwell's 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:04.120 silver Hammer. 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:09.280 Hey there you go, a lot like that. Robert Maxwell's 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.120 a character that could be an entire episode. I mean 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.880 maybe it should. Maybe eventually we'll do that. But let's 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:19.080 just focus on Gelain here for a bit. You know, 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.600 she grew up very in luxury, let's say, very privileged. 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:27.920 Eventually she attended Oxford University, and she kind of she 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.120 wasn't I wouldn't characterize it as being used. I would 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:37.080 say she was effectively utilized by her father to become 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:42.440 a socialite. As a socialite, as a person who makes connections, 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:46.039 who kind of goes in first and you know, connects 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:47.839 other people to the Maxwell family, I. 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.120 Think of socialites, you think of people like Paris Hilt 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.560 and you just sort of live these frivolous lives. She 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.600 was almost more groomed to be like an operative, you 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.160 know what I mean. Like it was very much. I 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:00.000 think you were right on when you first said it. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.680 I think she was used at an early age and 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:06.480 kind of groomed to be this tool of her father's empire. 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:11.920 And that could be said for other siblings, other members 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:16.800 of the Maxwell clan. We're going to be planting some 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.560 seeds about Sir Robert Maxwell and they will come to 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:26.520 fruition in this episode. Yeah, socialite is a group is 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:28.960 an umbrella term that can mean a number of things. 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.600 Given that her father had a bedside manner that could 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:37.240 be best described as terrible. He needed someone like this 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.359 to be able to make those connections, to play the 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:46.200 games of the wealthy and channel philanthropic endeavors, and you know, 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.919 at times do what is essentially the legal version of 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:56.119 laundering money. So today, of course, Galaid Maxwell is best 0:05:56.160 --> 0:06:01.919 known for her long running relationship with the the disgrace 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:06.159 financier and convicted child abuser, the late Jeffrey Epstein. But 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.600 there are still What I find interesting is there's still 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:15.200 questions about how Maxwell and Epstein met. The Times reported 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:19.360 that Maxwell and Epstein met in the early nineteen nineties 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:25.080 after she had had a difficult breakup with Count Gianfranco 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:31.360 Sigona Mozzoni, who, like a lot of like a lot 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:38.680 of European aristocrats, took their vast generational wealth and channeled 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.159 it into industries. This is a hotel guy, so she 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:43.360 had a rough breakup. She's at this party in New York. 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:47.040 She meets Jeffrey Epstein. They hit it off, but other 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.680 sources argue they met before then, that they met in 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:54.680 nineteen eighty eight. A there's a cool podcast about this 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:59.640 called Broken Seeking Justice, and in there they relay information 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.880 from I'm a convicted con artist, a Ponzi scheme guy 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.880 named Steve Hoffenberg, and he had once upon a time 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.760 worked with Epstein, and on that show he says that 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:16.320 Gallaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein met through her father, Robert Maxwell, 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.720 and Matt I love your point there. He is best 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.200 known as Robert Maxwell, but that's not the name he 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:25.360 was born with. The podcast, by the way, was unable 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:31.160 to corroborate Hoffenberg's claim. But then there are other sources 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.160 that say a very similar thing. 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:36.760 And one of these people was a former staffer of 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:41.480 Epstein's who says that Gallaine Maxwell was making them look 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:45.320 at albums, like photo albums and just kind of going over, oh, 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.760 here's this, here's this person, and it was photos from 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:52.040 her father's funeral. Apparently, when this staffer was just told, oh, yeah, 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:57.040 that's when I met Jeffrey. Just we're talking about the 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.640 Siga Hotels clan, you know, kind of connecting up there 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.960 with the Maxwell family. You have to know that if 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:06.200 you've ever heard of The Daily Mail or I mean 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:10.400 the Mirror, that's what that's what her family owned. 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:12.080 Which are all kind of trash papers. If I'm not 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.920 my stad mean, they're sort of like considered lower on 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.440 the journalistic integrity totem pole. 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:23.200 Let us say, well, yeah, and especially in you know, 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.160 twenty twenty, in the twenty two thousands and stuff. But 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:29.000 remember we're talking about the eighties and nineties, like as 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.960 these papers are kind of first coming to become a. 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:35.840 Thing, and they were still I mean, Maxwell could be 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:39.280 described as a media magnate, but he was also often 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.199 described as a tabloid tycoon. 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.760 Yeah, like a yellow journalist kind of type. Deal. 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:50.960 Right, So however, Maxwell, Galain Maxwell and Epstein actually did meet. 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.880 They soon became an item. They were dating for some 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:59.120 amount of time, and afterward they remained to the public eye. 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:03.240 As you know, is associates one of those relationships that 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:07.280 ends amicably, no harm, no foul. That's a that's a 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:11.320 beautiful thing, as anybody who's experienced that can attest. If 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:16.200 you want full details on the extent of Epstein's proving 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:21.640 crimes and Galaine Maxwell's alleged involvement, then check out our 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:25.280 multi part series on Epstein. It is not appropriate for 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:30.240 all audience members. It goes very it's a very in 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:33.520 depth look at his origins, what he did, his close calls, 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:37.160 how he got caught, and the questions remaining around his. 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.439 Death, and I haven't watched it yet, but i've been 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.480 maybe because it's just, you know, times are dark. I 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:44.880 kind of want like uplifting material. But there's a Netflix 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:46.840 documentary that's supposed to be quite good as well. 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:53.400 Essentially, bottom line is that Glaine Maxwell is currently accused 0:09:53.520 --> 0:10:00.559 of aiding and abetting multiple acts of sexual abuse, grooming, afficking, 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:05.079 and more. This included her scouting out victims of Epstein 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:11.840 and his associates like Prince Andrew. This also included accusations 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:16.800 of occasionally participating in sexual acts with the victims herself, 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.480 so actually getting her quote unquote hands sturdy. 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:24.479 And there's a lot of alleged activity there that isn't necessarily, 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.080 you know, identified in any of the cases against her, 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:34.280 but alleged activity activity of her, specifically recording a lot 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.640 of these activities. 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.800 Right right, which comes into play later because we do 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:47.320 know that Epstein obsessively recorded encounters, especially with especially encounters 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.600 that he had brokereed he and Galaine had broken between 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:55.120 the victims and notable figures in the world of politics, 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.240 in the world of aristocracy, and in the world of business. 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.040 Robert Maxwell is one of these giants. He wasn't. As 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:07.760 far as we know, he was aware of Epstein and 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.599 had worked with him or interacted with him, and he 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.440 has some murky involvement, but he's not in this story. 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.160 The reason you don't see him too often in the 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:23.960 Epstein saga is because he died in nineteen ninety one, 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:27.880 and about nineteen days after his death, someone took a 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:31.200 photo at the Plaza Hotel during a memorial event for 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.559 this guy. And this photo shows Galain Maxwell and Jeffrey 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:38.080 Epstein mid conversation, and they look like they're having a 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:41.680 pleasant time. Just remember, we'll get back to Robert in 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:44.240 a second. We're just planting the seeds. So back to 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:49.720 the crimes. Epstein quick timeline arrested July sixth, twenty nineteen. 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.880 Unlike the previous rest this one sticks. He goes on 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:58.040 to die in jail on August tenth, twenty nineteen, before 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:02.760 he reaches trial. Lane Maxwell is arrested in New Hampshire 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.880 on July second, twenty twenty, in a house that she 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:11.960 bought with cash. It's a million dollar house. It makes 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:15.079 me think of our Foreign Investment episode. She's arrests on 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.640 multiple charges related to this abuse of young women and 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.960 Girls by Epstein. Her trial has been set for July twelfth, 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:28.040 twenty twenty one. Like everything else, that's probably pandemic pending. 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.120 Yeah, and as we are recording this episode, she currently 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:35.280 sits in prison. Her bail was denied because she has 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.520 a lot of money and access to planes. She also, 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:41.520 by the way, has a helicopter or pilot's license. I 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.199 don't know if it's still valid today, but at one 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.200 point she got a helicopter pilot's license and was gifted 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:48.520 a helicopter by Epstein. 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.600 Her father actually is also just a peek into this guy. 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:56.160 Her father was actually a big fan of helicopters too. 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.920 He owned a He had a helicopters strip on top 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:04.040 of one of his buildings almost entirely so he could 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:09.240 use it to fly over Rupert Murdoch's office on his 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.080 way to and from things because Rupert Murdoch did not 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:13.000 have a helicopter. 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:16.160 Do you think he like with Haka Lugi out of 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.120 the helicopter, like on to the top of the building. 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.760 Just I'm sure he was. 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:21.120 He was. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.040 Yeah. He was also known for urinating off the top 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:28.319 of his office building and the side of his boat 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.000 and off the side of his boat. But at least 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:31.760 he was a yacht. 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.120 Guys. You can't call it a book, sure. 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.160 But his at least he was wearing clothes when he 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.240 was urinating off the building. That's not the case with 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:41.720 the ship. 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.760 Now, I wanted to add one little detail that I 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:47.600 hadn't heard before when I was watching like an old 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.320 sixty minutes not old like you know, from when the 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.960 Epstein case kind of first really heat it up, and 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.800 it was talking about gal Maxwell and from the perspective 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:59.400 of this young former art student at the New York 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.640 Art Institute or I'm sorry, the New York New York 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:08.560 Academy of Art and Epstein apparently and Maxwell were benefactors 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.320 of Hers name was Maria Farmer, and like they really 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.199 liked her paintings and bought some of her first work, 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.400 and then Epstein hired her to kind of be his 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.760 art buyer, like for his mansion, to like you know, 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.440 like outfit his home with like, you know, good art, 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.080 tasteful art, because he liked her taste. But she would 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:29.040 ride around with them all the time, and we spent 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.240 a lot of time with Maxwell personally. She talks about 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:35.440 a story in this sixty minutes where Maxwell would very 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.760 frantically at the end of the day say, oh, gosh, 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.480 I've got to go find the new Biles. I have 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.400 to go get the new Biles. And she's like, I 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.840 don't know what that means. And she realized that she 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:47.800 would go just like run out of the car, go 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.720 to like parks or like when schools were letting out, 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:52.720 and she would see her just write down her phone 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.480 number and give it to these young girls. Some of them, 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.520 she said that had braces that were like, you know 0:14:57.600 --> 0:14:59.840 that young And then they'd turn up to the mansion 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.280 and they just say, Oh, they're going to be models, 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:04.240 you know for what. I don't know what do you 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.720 need models for if you're a financier, but. 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:11.520 Yeah, financial models. So that's a common thing. No, you're 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.760 right though, that sixty minutes is worth a watch. You 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.000 can also hear a couple of audio interviews I think 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:21.360 with the same person, same victim. So it appears that 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:28.400 now currently it appears that Galaine Maxwell also has another 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:34.200 close romantic relationship a tech ceo and former Coastguard officer 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:40.160 named Scott Borgerson. They met some time ago before the arrest, 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:44.720 and they interacted also through an obscure organization Maxwell founded 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:50.880 called the Tara mar Projects like Earthsea Project, and they 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:54.640 appeared to be in a relationship, although Borgodson denied it. 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.960 For a while they were living together in Manchester by 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:02.120 the Sea after Maxwell Soldier town Home on the Upper 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:05.520 East Side in twenty sixteen. That's the same year she 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:09.840 struck several confidential settlements in civil court with women who 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:15.600 said they were exploited by Epstein. But Porkinson is interesting, Okay, 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:20.000 So he's not this landed gentry or he's not someone 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.040 who inherited a bunch of money. He comes from rural Missouri. 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:28.200 He actually did earn his way in the world, and 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:31.240 so he's somewhat anomalous in a lot of these upper 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:35.680 echelon circles. He also has a bit of red meat 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:40.720 for the more conspiracy minded of us. He also worked 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.880 for the Council on Foreign Relations from two thousand and 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.040 seven two thousand and eight he was Fellow in residence 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:50.600 and then and then he transferred and became visiting fellow 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:55.320 for Ocean's governance with the organization from eight to twenty ten. 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.520 It's kind of interesting, like I would maybe you kind 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:01.760 of characterize someone like this as new money right, because 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.280 all of these like you know, landed gentries, as you say, 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.919 Ben in the generational money, they often look down on 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.680 folks like that, which is ironic considering it typically means 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.960 that someone actually bootstrapped themselves from nothing to like being 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.040 a success, as opposed to just kind of inheriting it 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.040 and like you know, parleying their you know fortune they 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:22.800 were born with into more you know fortune. It almost 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.000 is interesting that that's usually almost a term of abuse. 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:26.919 So it is interesting that he would have found his 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.560 way into the inner circle with someone like Maxwell. 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:35.960 In the CFR and then at this, at one of 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:42.119 these hearings post arrest, it's very weird, prosecutors drop a 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:48.800 bombshell because they say that Maxwell is in fact secretly married, 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.640 but they do not disclose the identity of her spouse. 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:57.320 It's just not Epstein. At some point post relationship with Epstein, 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:02.560 she got married, and investigators weren't able to find any 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:09.239 information about this on publicly available, widely available databases. But 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.840 that could mean that they married in a foreign country 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:14.679 or something. There are a couple of different ways that 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:18.120 could happen and still be legal. But now that spouse 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:22.520 appears to be Scott Borgensen. This has not been solidly proven, 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:26.640 but it adds some wrinkles to an already twisting story. 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.479 There's a great New York Times article about this that 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:35.679 quotes a defense lawyer, Jeffrey Chabrow, and he says something 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:39.720 very interesting, and I don't want to be too cynical 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.240 about this, but he raises a good point when he says, 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:46.960 there are reasons that people might get married other than love, 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:50.240 especially if they're facing a criminal indictment. 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:54.160 Yeah, you know, one of them is kind of obvious 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:58.399 if you've watched any crime procedural on television, that whole like, 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:03.280 you can't test against me if you're my spouse thing. 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:05.639 But the big one, and the one that makes a 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:09.280 lot of sense here, I think, is the concept that 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.919 being married can help you move some money around a 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:17.200 lot easier. And we know, at least according to the reports, 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:20.560 that Gilaine Maxwell is worth around twenty million. That's what 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.840 she kind of has or had, I guess at one 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:28.240 point very recently. But it would seem that the circles 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:32.600 in which she runs her background, her interactions with Epstein, 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:35.680 the amount of money that he had and his Epstein 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:39.520 estate currently has. It feels like maybe there is or 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.679 was more money to be moved around. 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:47.600 Curious or and curious or yeah, and in the latest news. 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:51.560 So right now, just to be completely transparent, we're recording 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:55.480 this on December eleventh, or preparing for this episode on 0:19:55.520 --> 0:20:01.879 December tenth. Yesterday, reports emerged that Maxwell Borgenson and some 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:07.240 of Maxwell's siblings are teaming up to propose a somewhere 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:10.720 between a twenty eight point five million and thirty million 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:15.879 dollar bail package. It's twenty five million straight from Scott, 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:19.680 the other five ish million from her siblings, and it's 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:25.320 an attempt to free Maxwell before the holidays. They're trying 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:28.400 to get her out of the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:34.440 and they say this, she'll relinquish her multiple passports, she'll 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:38.760 go to house arrests, she'll get electronic monitoring. She has 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.200 a French passport that's one of the one she has, 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:43.560 and French authorities have brought a case against her there 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:48.240 as well. The team that is trying to get her out, 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:52.600 the lawyers Borkinson and the siblings haul the plan operation 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:55.680 get Gallain out. We're not even we're not even at 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.479 the crazy part yet. To get there, we have to 0:20:58.800 --> 0:20:59.960 look at some speculation. 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:03.359 Can we say, can we just say maybe they spend 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:06.200 thirty million dollars to get her out just to have 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:10.320 like Christmas dinner? Yeah, but like separated by six feet 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:13.439 wearing masks. That's just that's hilarious to me. 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:17.920 Well, I'm sure if you have a all right, I'm 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:20.040 gonna say it. Wealthy people are going to get the 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:24.600 vaccines first, Oh, no question. So I think that they 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:27.119 may already be. I don't know, I don't know. I 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:29.280 don't want to I don't want to be that person. 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:35.240 But statistically, they're much more likely to enjoy post pandemic 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:39.920 freedoms faster, more quickly. So to get to the actual 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:43.359 crazy part of this, we have to look at some 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:47.520 of the speculation, some of the concerns, some of the 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:54.560 rumors that have been spreading as Galain Maxwell has been incarcerated. First, 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:57.560 number one, let's point out the biggest badger in the bag. 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:01.240 People are worried about the possibility that she will be 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:04.160 quote Epstein's does that mean. 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:09.280 As though she would appear to commit suicide while being 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:13.720 held in prison, Although perhaps it was not suicide, that's 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:19.280 the speculation, and you know, there we can't prove, right 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:21.960 now on this podcast, And I don't think there's anyone 0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:25.760 out there right now that can come on a podcast 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:28.719 and prove to you for sure that Jeffrey Epstein did 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:31.359 not commit suicide. But as we've talked about on numerous 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:35.280 episodes on this show, Jeffrey Epstein's death feels ridiculously fishy. 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:38.520 Oh yeah, I mean the whole like the guards fell 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:42.080 asleep story. I mean, that's that's just come. 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:45.840 On busted cameras, the hyoid bone, the timeline. There are 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:50.320 issues with it. Even if you consider yourself convinced that 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:55.400 he took his own life and a series of ridiculously 0:22:55.680 --> 0:23:00.840 incompetent actions allowed him to do so sucessfully, there's still 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:02.959 a lot of questions. And it's not just you know, 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:06.639 people in the Internet or people on podcasts speculating about this. 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:13.240 There are also investigative journalists, numerous citizen observers, legal groups, 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:17.199 and Epstein's own lawyers say that they don't believe the 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:20.840 official story. So naturally, similar concerns are going to arise 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:25.320 regarding Maxwell's safety. But then that from that, okay, from 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:30.040 that piece, we build another one. This there's a I'm 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:32.880 doing a bit of a conspiratorial Bob Ross thing right. 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:37.520 So our first brushstroke is the circumstances of death. Our 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:45.000 second brush stroke is concerns about, Okay, if Jeffrey Epstein 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:49.359 was murdered, who was behind it? Their concerns that there 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:54.480 might be some person or some organization behind his murder, 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:57.440 and then therefore they would be the most likely culprit 0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:02.040 were anything untoward to happen to Glad Maxwell. 0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:03.359 He was six? 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:04.720 Was it six? 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:09.919 Yes, Prince Andrew, am I six? That's just I'm joking there, No. 0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:12.000 No, dude, I mean to me, it's almost like you 0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:15.480 could take your pick. There are probably several world governments 0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:17.600 that would have had reasons to bump that guy off 0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:20.720 with as international as his clientele was in terms of 0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:23.520 the investments. God knows, that was probably a lot of 0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:25.440 crooked stuff going on there, not to mention all the 0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:27.360 people that were on his plane and on his island 0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:30.240 and complicit that we don't even maybe know about, you know. 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:34.040 Yeah, And I do want to say that, Prince Andrew, 0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:37.720 if you're listening, I think no Sweat would be really 0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:41.680 cool street name for your back then. 0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:42.960 I didn't sweat back then. 0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:45.560 Explain the origin of that to me, Ben real quick, 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:47.040 I heard you mentioned it at the top of the show. 0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:49.159 I don't think i've heard that one. He was literally saying, 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:52.320 I don't sweat, so that you couldn't have my DNA 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:53.920