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Speaker 1: Hey, hurdlers.

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Speaker 2: Emily Abadi here, you're listening to episode forty three of Hurdle,

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Speaker 2: a podcast that talks to everyone from top CEOs and

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Speaker 2: It's really crazy the hire these numbers get. It's like

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Speaker 2: my little baby is growing up today. I'm chatting with

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Speaker 2: is impressive, just say the least. We were able to

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Speaker 2: catch up when I was in Austin last week, and

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Speaker 2: it felt super timely being that it was the day

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Speaker 2: before Valentine's Day in February this month, that everyone's just

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Speaker 2: in touch with their feelings and talking about love and

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Speaker 2: what better time to talk to someone from Bumble. She's

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Speaker 2: got a super interesting story. You know, She's faced a

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Speaker 2: lot of hurdles in her life. She talked to me

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Speaker 2: about when they found out that her mother had breast cancer.

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Speaker 2: We talk about how her life changed forever when she

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Speaker 2: was diagnosed with fibromyalgia and how she deals with that

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Speaker 2: on a regular basis.

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Speaker 1: And she also talks to me about her recent divorce.

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Speaker 2: And I think what's so special about this episode is

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Speaker 2: that Alex and I really got into a lot of

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Speaker 2: stuff that enabled us both to be just really vulnerable

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Speaker 2: with each other.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people have some kind.

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Speaker 2: Of feeling about what you're doing with your life in

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Speaker 2: the age of social media, and especially when it comes

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Speaker 2: to relationships. Me being in my early thirties single. I

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Speaker 2: get asked all the time, you know, are you worried

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Speaker 2: about meeting someone? What's dating like in New York? Are

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Speaker 2: you thinking about freezing your eggs? These are such personal

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Speaker 2: questions and the reality is is that the most important thing,

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Speaker 2: and Alex and I agree about this in the episode,

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Speaker 2: is that you get to a place where you're really

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Speaker 2: proud of who you are. And until you're at that place,

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Speaker 2: until you're comfortable with yourself, then you're not going to

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Speaker 2: be able to give to a partner, to give to

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Speaker 2: another person. It's so good to be a kind person.

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Speaker 2: It's so good to be proud of yourself, and it's

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Speaker 2: really special to get to a place where you're not

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Speaker 2: only confident in what you have to offer to a partner,

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Speaker 2: but then also in business and everywhere else in your life.

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Speaker 2: And that's it for now. With that, let's get to Hurdling.

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting here today with Alex Williamson. She's the chief

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Speaker 2: brand officer at Bumble.

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: Hi, We're in Austin, which is great. Yeah, I'm so

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Speaker 2: happy to be here with you today. And I feel

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Speaker 2: like this is super timely because we're recording this pre

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Speaker 2: Valentine's Day, but it's going to come out right after

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Speaker 2: Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 1: So what better person to sit down with and.

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Speaker 3: What better place to be than Austin for Valentine's Day

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Speaker 3: is one of my favorite cities.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I'm not here enough.

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Speaker 3: I travel so much, so when I get to come here,

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Speaker 2: Same on the travel A lot note so a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I'll have to make sure to give myself a little

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Speaker 2: bit of self love. I'm not going to be I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to be swiping on the bumble while I'm.

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Speaker 4: Here though, Why not?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't you know, don't need a quick swipe.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I get that, don't need a quick swipe, But

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Speaker 3: I have ended up dating people who I've I've crossed

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Speaker 3: paths with, you know, through bumble meeting just being in

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Speaker 3: the same city. Yeah, so I think that you sometimes

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Speaker 3: we think a quick swipe is just that, but it

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Speaker 1: I love the term quick swipe.

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Speaker 4: That's news.

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Speaker 2: I don't need a quick swipe aka possibly a one

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Speaker 1: I get that.

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Speaker 3: I think that really what it comes down to for

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Speaker 3: all women. And part of what we're trying to do

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Speaker 3: women's dating lives and what it means to be in

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Speaker 3: relationships and how those unfold for each person individually. And

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Speaker 3: I think that if you need a quick swipe to say,

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Speaker 3: power to you, you know. But if that doesn't, like,

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Speaker 3: if that doesn't work for your soul and that doesn't

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Speaker 3: then do something that does, like reevaluate and only make

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Speaker 2: So talk to me a little bit about what chief

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'd love to talk to you about that.

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Speaker 3: So I started with Bumble before we launched, and I

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Speaker 3: the content, and all of the brand copy. Early on

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Speaker 3: in Bumble, we really gained a following of women. But

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Speaker 3: here's what we were doing. We were launching a dating app,

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Speaker 3: It was something that you were hiding, you know, hiding

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Speaker 3: at the times, they had a really negative connotation so

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Speaker 3: women weren't making the first move, and some women were,

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Speaker 3: and that's incredible, but that wasn't the norm. That wasn't

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Speaker 3: talking about our relationships, and I think that's what's made

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Speaker 3: me so comfortable to talk about my life experience, is

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Speaker 3: that bumble. In the beginning, the voice was pretty much

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Speaker 1: And I have to ask you, what did you go

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Speaker 4: I went to college.

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Speaker 3: I actually majored in film film and at the time,

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Speaker 3: and I wanted to be in film. Never in a

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Speaker 3: millionaires did I think that I would be working in tech.

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Speaker 3: But as my role has evolved, so chief brand officer,

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Speaker 3: what I really like to think of and our brand

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Speaker 3: is really stems from our mission and our mission overall

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Speaker 3: mission and visionist to end misogyny and challenge the status

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Speaker 3: quo and.

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Speaker 4: Bring good people together.

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Speaker 3: And we live out every single day of our lives

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Speaker 3: having It's not like I sit at a desk and

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Speaker 3: have a brand team. It's it's talking making sure that

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Speaker 3: a group effort by our fantastic team. But that's really

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Speaker 1: So you're doing great.

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Speaker 2: I love that you're a film major who drifted from

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Speaker 2: creating film.

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Speaker 1: To just put a stop to misogyny.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and you know what, So that's what I was

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Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, So my early twenties were all over

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Speaker 3: the place. I was trying to freelance, and by freelance,

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Speaker 3: I was working for free. I was buying, I was

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Speaker 3: doing makeup. I was like hoofing it to film sets

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Speaker 3: and working fourteen hour days without pay, pretending to smoke.

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Speaker 4: Cigarettes so I could talk to directors like I was.

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Speaker 3: Really trying to network and film and I didn't have

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Speaker 3: I've done casting.

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Speaker 1: And where are you at this point?

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Speaker 4: All where I was in.

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Speaker 3: Like look, I was in Dallas, LA and Baal in

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Speaker 4: I didn't what. I didn't realize. I'd assisted photographers, so.

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Speaker 3: I'd been on sets, and I didn't realize that everything

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Speaker 3: to come together and create a role that really I

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Speaker 3: just it developed and it evolved as we evolved.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, talk to me about life in your early twenties,

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Speaker 2: because you're a little bit all over the place, So

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Speaker 2: when do you kind of stay in one place for

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Speaker 2: a little bit of time.

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Speaker 3: I actually don't think I've ever stayed in one place

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Speaker 3: for a little at a time, but my family moved.

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Speaker 3: We weren't military, but we did move quite a bit

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Speaker 3: and feeling like your roots are really where you decide

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Speaker 3: to have them at that moment. Home is a feeling,

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Speaker 3: as cheesy as that sounds, but I was in my

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Speaker 3: really believe in what we're doing, and I feel so

443
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Speaker 3: inspired every single day when I wake up, and so

444
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Speaker 3: I keep moving. But there were times, like when bumble

445
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Speaker 3: first launched, I worked from bed. You just have to,

446
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 3: like self care, you have to listen to your body

447
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Speaker 3: and really do what it needs. I have a light

448
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Speaker 3: case of it. I know there are people who have

449
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Speaker 3: fibermlgia and actually can't get out of bed and can't

450
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Speaker 3: leave the house, and I have so much empathy for

451
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Speaker 3: that because I don't have that same experience.

452
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Speaker 4: But when I have it, I just.

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Speaker 3: Will usually take advil and take a bath and go

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Speaker 3: to bed or work from home if it's really bothering me.

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Speaker 2: Right, you mentioned your mother taught you so much about kindness.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that fibromyalgia has encouraged you to be

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Speaker 2: kind to yourself?

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Speaker 4: It's a really great question.

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Speaker 3: I think you know, Yes, I do, and I think

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Speaker 3: that life has encouraged me to be kind to myself.

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Speaker 3: I would be lying if I sat here and said

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Speaker 3: that I'm somebody who's constantly nice to myself. I think

463
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Speaker 3: that is the biggest journey in life, is to actually

464
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Speaker 3: become your own best friend. I think we are so

465
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Speaker 3: hard on ourselves, and I think that society teaches us

466
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Speaker 3: to be really hard on ourselves. And I actually went

467
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Speaker 3: to this thing that was recommended by our CEO and

468
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Speaker 3: founder that I took six and a half days off

469
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Speaker 3: and did a digital detox.

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Speaker 4: But it was truly like a it was like heart therapy.

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Speaker 3: It was like, oh, they describe it as ten years

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Speaker 3: of therapy in seven days. And I did this on

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Speaker 3: the heels of a divorce last year, and I felt

474
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Speaker 3: like I just needed to address the chaos in my

475
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Speaker 3: life and find my own that find a friend, like,

476
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Speaker 3: find that person who would support me, and that needed

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Speaker 3: to be myself. And I feel like I left this

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Speaker 3: experience called Hoffman Process knowing that and being more in

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Speaker 3: touch with who I am. And I think that really

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Speaker 3: was what kicked me off on this whole journey to

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Speaker 3: self love and it's new and I started to realize

482
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Speaker 3: for me. I would get frustrated when I would listen

483
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Speaker 3: to people's advice and it was isn't exactly what I

484
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Speaker 3: wanted to hear, because I already knew the answer and

485
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Speaker 3: knew what I needed. But I was relying on everybody

486
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Speaker 3: else versus relying on myself. And I think that having

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Speaker 3: the ability to check in and see what you actually

488
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Speaker 3: need and what you actually feel and think and.

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Speaker 4: Believe is a practice.

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Speaker 3: It's easy to it's so much easier to not so

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Speaker 3: then you have somebody else to blame.

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Speaker 4: Right It's like, it's like you told me that that

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Speaker 4: was a good idea. I wouldn't have done it all

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Speaker 4: the way, but I think.

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Speaker 3: Once you kind of turn it into something where you're

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Speaker 3: your own advocate and best friend, the responsibility is a

497
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Speaker 3: privilege to have with yourself.

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Speaker 1: Let's get back to it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds like you're so clear headed about

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Speaker 2: all of it now, but I'm sure in the midst

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Speaker 2: of going through a divorce it must have been emotional hell.

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Speaker 1: Especially with your job.

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Speaker 2: You're so busy, You're traveling all over the place, You're

520
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Speaker 2: never in one place for what seems like more than

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Speaker 2: two minutes. I feel lucky that I got you for

522
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Speaker 2: forty five. How is that mental chaos for you? And

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Speaker 2: is the mental chaos what convinced you to do the

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Speaker 2: digital detox.

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent?

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Speaker 3: I felt like everything around me was just I kind

527
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Speaker 3: of felt like it was like a whirlpool of anxiety.

528
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Speaker 3: And constant turmoil. And I think what was interesting is

529
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Speaker 3: on when I got divorced, I started to really feel

530
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Speaker 3: more and more like me and experience that. But there's

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Speaker 3: so much that comes with There's so many questions that

532
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Speaker 3: come with divorce, and I think, I think on the

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Speaker 3: flip side of it, and it's something that we don't

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Speaker 3: talk enough about divorce in general. It's like people hear

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Speaker 3: it and they're like, oh, I'm so sorry, Oh that's

536
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Speaker 3: so sad, but is it really? I mean, it's like

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Speaker 3: you make a decision that is best for you and

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Speaker 3: best for what you think is what you think is

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Speaker 3: the best decision for you and your partner in the

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Speaker 3: long run. And I think there's a lot of courage

541
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Speaker 3: that it takes because it rocks everybody else around you's world, right.

542
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's something that when you when people find

543
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Speaker 3: out that your divorce every I mean, I can't tell

544
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Speaker 3: you how many people ca to be more like I'm

545
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 3: having like a hard time in my marriage and my relationship.

546
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Speaker 3: And I think there are varying degrees of that, but

547
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Speaker 3: I think that you have to choose, like life is

548
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Speaker 3: short and you have to choose what works best for you.

549
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Speaker 3: But the chaos around it, So you do it, and

550
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Speaker 3: then on the other side of that, it's a journey

551
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Speaker 3: that I don't know if I was prepared for because

552
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 3: you're looking for a lot of things, So you're looking

553
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Speaker 3: for answers as to why you're looking. You feel like

554
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 3: you failed, right, and so here you are and you're

555
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 3: embarrassed to say all of these things that have happened

556
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Speaker 3: and that you immediately it creates this new layer of

557
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Speaker 3: you that is a little bit more complex that people

558
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Speaker 3: feel like they need to know why did you get divorced?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: And I think that you don't have to share that

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Speaker 4: with anybody.

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Speaker 3: But I think that on the flip side of it,

563
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of feelings of self doubt. There's a

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Speaker 3: lot of feelings where there's confidence, and then there are

565
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Speaker 3: just downright panic attacks and moments where you break down.

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Speaker 3: And I think that when I through it, I told

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Speaker 3: myself that I would meet myself wherever I was in

568
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 3: those emotions. So if I'm feeling sad, I'm going to

569
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Speaker 3: be sad and I'm going to allow myself to do it.

570
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Speaker 3: And then if I'm feeling like happy, I'll enjoy that

571
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Speaker 3: like whatever it was I would, I would have that experience.

572
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Speaker 3: But I think that for me, a large part of

573
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 3: I was very fortunate in the fact that I was

574
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Speaker 3: traveling all the time and working and have something that

575
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Speaker 3: I love with my whole heart in this company.

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Speaker 2: I think it's so different to be busy, just to

577
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Speaker 2: be busy, versus being happy and busy. I think a

578
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Speaker 2: lot of us throw ourselves into whatever we can when

579
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Speaker 2: we're struggling, whether it's with self image, or at work,

580
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Speaker 2: or with a troubling relationship, or whatever the case may be.

581
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Speaker 2: We throw ourselves into everything and anything. But if you

582
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 2: can turn that struggle into passion, if you could turn

583
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Speaker 2: that struggle into something that means something to you, then

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Speaker 2: that's your Opportunit tunity, it's not, it's not the woe

585
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: is me. Oh my god, I'm so sorry about your divorce.

586
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: You took that opportunity to become better.

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00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 3: Completely, and I think that you can't become better without

588
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 3: doing the work. I mean it if you ignore everything

589
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 3: and push it aside, which, to be fair, in the beginning,

590
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 3: I was meeting myself everywhere and wherever I was and

591
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Speaker 3: taking that time and if it meant that I was

592
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 3: at an event and I'd go hide in the coat

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Speaker 3: closet and cry. I would do it and I'd go

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Speaker 3: back out and Valentine's Day. Actually last year, this is

595
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Speaker 3: a year ago now, I was doing profile doctoring and

596
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Speaker 3: I remember walking back in our hive and bawling my

597
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Speaker 3: eyes out and then going back out and.

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Speaker 4: Helping people with their profiles again.

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Speaker 3: And I think that you have to experience the range

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Speaker 3: of emotions that you're feeling, or else they can manifest

601
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Speaker 3: themselves in other ways illness or you know, starting to

602
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 3: take on other whatever the case may be. So for me,

603
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 3: I kind of got busy and stopped really acknowledging my

604
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: feelings and tried to be a power woman, like superwoman,

605
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Speaker 3: right and yeah, And I think that Hoffman was a

606
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Speaker 3: brilliant time for me to stop and pause and face it.

607
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 3: And I think I was able to give myself the

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Speaker 3: space to really explore it.

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Speaker 1: Explain to me a little bit about what Hoffman is.

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Speaker 3: It's a it is a digital detox. It's like a

611
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 3: it's six and a half days. You check your phone

612
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 3: and your laptop and you go through it's an individual

613
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 3: experience that you're having in a group setting, and you

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Speaker 3: go somewhere for this, you go, I was in mine

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Speaker 3: was in Napa.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to go to Napa. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say too much about it. And

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Speaker 3: I think that it helped me in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 3: It's definitely an experience and I really appreciate it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: there have been I think there have been so many

621
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Speaker 3: like celebrities to who have made comments about I think

622
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Speaker 3: I read before I went.

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Speaker 4: The only reference that I had was like that Katie

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Speaker 4: Perry really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: And then I just read that Justin Bieber left in

626
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Speaker 3: the middle of it, and.

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Speaker 4: And not I don't know these people. These are just

628
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Speaker 4: things that I read.

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Speaker 1: I love what we refer to them, like a good friend.

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Speaker 3: Beeves To left it and we talked about No we didn't,

631
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: I'm joking, but yeah. But it was something that for me,

632
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: it served a really strong purpose in my life because

633
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 3: it also gave me the space to let go of

634
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 3: all of the connectivity that I have and actually gave

635
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Speaker 3: me like the permission moving forward when I left there

636
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Speaker 3: to say, you know what, I'm going to put my

637
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: phone down for a Saturday and I will pick it

638
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 3: back up again and you know, be present. But to

639
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: really encourage you. I think when you're building a startup,

640
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 3: it's so easy to just stay completely addicted and connected

641
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: to your phone and being able to separate myself. I

642
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: haven't really spent much time on Instagram since it because

643
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 3: I realized that seven days without anything like that, the

644
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: world doesn't stop and I didn't miss it.

645
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, apart from work.

646
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 3: And using it as a tool to connect with people,

647
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Speaker 3: I really haven't been on that, which I think is

648
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: a very addictive and sad addiction to to spend time doing.

649
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Speaker 2: I think it's interesting that you have that perspective, actually,

650
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: because a lot of people would go cold on Instagram

651
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: or some other social tool and have an actual issue.

652
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: They probably realized first and foremost how much time they've

653
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Speaker 2: been spending on it. Once you go without it. But

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would miss it, And

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Speaker 2: so the fact that you are able to say that

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Speaker 2: you didn't and that you don't really is pretty special.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and I was doing that doesn't mean I

658
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Speaker 3: don't open it and look like I'll open it for

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Speaker 3: like two seconds and check it and make sure I'm

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Speaker 3: not missing. I open it like I would open anything

661
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Speaker 3: else to make sure I'm not missing messages. But I

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Speaker 3: think for me, and I was so busy at Hoffmann, like,

663
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Speaker 3: you're not just hanging out, it's a lot of work.

664
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Speaker 3: But I also think it really freed me up to

665
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Speaker 3: take the time and space that I need, And as

666
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Speaker 3: I was saying earlier, gave me the space to figure

667
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Speaker 3: out myself and to address some of the things that

668
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Speaker 3: I'd maybe been ignoring. And I found my responsibility and

669
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Speaker 3: things that I had been struggling to find. And I

670
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Speaker 3: think that gave me so much peace. And so I

671
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Speaker 3: actually really left with feelings that I didn't know I

672
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: could have, that we're compassion and forgiveness and really rooting for,

673
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Speaker 3: you know, others that I didn't think I would be

674
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: in that position. For me, so often, before Bumble and

675
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: before even people were looking at Bumble, you'd look around

676
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Speaker 3: at these women who seem so successful and seem like

677
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Speaker 3: they have it all together. And I think that there

678
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 3: is something that is very freeing to know that everybody

679
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 3: is trying to figure it out, and that early on

680
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 3: I realized that nope, like what is that quote that

681
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: nobody really knows what they're doing and everybody's pretending, essentially,

682
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Speaker 3: And I think that's so important because it feels like

683
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 3: there's such a distance between looking as an outsider into

684
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Speaker 3: looking at somebody who has like a high power job

685
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Speaker 3: or whatever. You look there and it feels so far away.

686
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Speaker 3: But really we're all human and we're all trying to

687
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Speaker 3: figure it out.

688
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Speaker 1: It's so true.

689
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what I'm getting out of talking to

690
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Speaker 2: you is that you have so much clarity on who

691
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Speaker 2: you are now. And if we're going to talk a

692
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Speaker 2: little bit about dating and mental health and emotional health,

693
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Speaker 2: it's something that I struggle with when I'm personally looking

694
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Speaker 2: for a partner, and that a lot of people have

695
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: trouble articulating who they are and they're hoping that someone

696
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: else is going to help them figure that out. But

697
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Speaker 2: in actuality, in my experience, and something that I've been

698
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: working on tirelessly throughout the last year and a half

699
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Speaker 2: being a single thirty something living in New York City,

700
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Speaker 2: is that I am so good with who I am now,

701
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Speaker 2: and so now I feel like I'm ready to meet

702
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Speaker 2: someone and be with someone and give them this emily

703
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: versus maybe other times when I don't know if I

704
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: could have said the same sentence.

705
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Speaker 3: I think what is so interesting and not to say,

706
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Speaker 3: I'm an expert at this, but we're on like, we're

707
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Speaker 3: here right now, in this year, in this day, in

708
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: this minute, and you are you right like you?

709
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Speaker 4: Whoever, however you ended up being you.

710
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 3: What an incredible thing to explore, right instead of looking

711
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 3: for that in somebody else, Like what a gift?

712
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 4: How cool is it.

713
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Speaker 3: That you get to meet this person and get to

714
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Speaker 3: know this person? And I think that that is something

715
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Speaker 3: that we don't do. We look to everybody else and

716
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: look for our purpose and our approval and everybody else,

717
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: when it's really in us and who we are.

718
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Speaker 4: Everybody is so unique and interesting, and you know, you'll have.

719
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Speaker 3: A conversation with somebody you're like, wow, they were really

720
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 3: an interesting or fascinating person or whatever, Like that's all

721
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Speaker 3: within us. We're all, you know, made of the same fabric.

722
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Speaker 3: So it's really taking that time to get to know you.

723
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Speaker 3: And I think that I appreciate you saying that that

724
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Speaker 3: I seem like somebody who has clarity around who I am.

725
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Speaker 3: I think it's easy to fall Yeah, I think it's

726
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: easy to fall into patterns where you don't have clarity

727
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 3: on who you are. But what I learned is that

728
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Speaker 3: when I was dating before, I was genuinely looking for

729
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 3: me and everybody else. I was looking for somebody else

730
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Speaker 3: to give me guidance, and I was looking for what

731
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Speaker 3: I thought would be right or perfect or successful or

732
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: whatever it was, instead of actually looking for what made

733
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Speaker 3: me feel good and feel like my best. And something

734
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Speaker 3: that I've learned that has changed the way that I

735
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 3: date is boundaries. And I think that nothing there is

736
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 3: no self love quite like boundaries. And we can say,

737
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Speaker 3: like I'm doing X, Y and Z to make myself

738
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Speaker 3: feel good. But if you go into a romantic relationship

739
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: or friendship or whatever, you give yourself away completely. I'm

740
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Speaker 3: not talking about like giving yourself away physically, whatever whatever

741
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Speaker 3: you want to do in that regard, but like, if

742
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Speaker 3: you don't check in with yourself and make sure that

743
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 3: you feel good and comfortable, or like you feel a

744
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 3: red flag, you feel something that is wrong, and we

745
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: all have an intuition, and you ignore that, you're ignoring

746
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 3: your own personal boundary, right, And I think that it's

747
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: easy to ignore them and all of a sudden become

748
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 3: blind to them. You don't see them anymore, you don't

749
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Speaker 3: feel them. It's like hurdles all of a sudden, those

750
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 3: hurdles are just down. You're like running through the art.

751
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 3: You're just breaking through the hurdles essentially and running in

752
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 3: the wrong direction. And if you can find your own

753
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: boundaries and honor those, then that's where healthy relationships of

754
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: communication and honesty come in.

755
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Speaker 2: I've got to ask you, how do you set boundaries

756
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Speaker 2: between all of this work and taking time for yourself.

757
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Speaker 4: That's an every day struggle.

758
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Speaker 3: Actually, we talk about self care in the office now

759
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 3: because it is something that's so important. I actually was

760
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: running late and still stopped and I meditated for five

761
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 3: minutes before I checked them.

762
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 4: With myself before this, because it felt like I was.

763
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Speaker 3: Running all over the place, and I think that you

764
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 3: have to recenter, and that's something that I'm really working on.

765
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Speaker 3: I think, you know, as as you're building out something,

766
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 3: and obviously there's there's teams, and all the pressure is

767
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: good and all of the stress is good stress, and

768
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 3: it's exciting and it's but it's like a hurricane. And actually,

769
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Speaker 3: there was a woman who I met who mentioned to

770
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Speaker 3: me it was some of the best advice I received,

771
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: which was that the more chaos is around you if

772
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Speaker 3: you don't have a strong core it will start to

773
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: consume you.

774
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 4: Versus if you have a.

775
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Speaker 3: Strong core that you build up, you're able to resist

776
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Speaker 3: the chaos a lot more. And so it seems like

777
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: a chore, but then it changes your day. That's like

778
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: what I was saying earlier. You can you We think

779
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 3: we don't have the power to change the way a

780
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 3: day is going in five minutes.

781
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Speaker 4: What you can?

782
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 3: You know? And I think that that it's making sure

783
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 3: that if you or it's being honest with yourself enough

784
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 3: to say this doesn't feel right or I don't feel

785
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Speaker 3: right and listening to that and then making those changes

786
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Speaker 3: to make things right.

787
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned meditation. Do you use an app? Do

788
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:22,479
Speaker 2: you not use an app?

789
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Speaker 3: I have friends at Headspace, and I really like the

790
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: concept of headspace, So I feel like terrible if I

791
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: didn't say that I love Headspace. I do think it's

792
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 3: a great concept. There's an app that I use that

793
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: I like because I kind of do meditation in my

794
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: own way.

795
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Speaker 4: I find that if I focus.

796
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Speaker 3: On kindness or love or you know, or just check

797
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: in with myself, that works for me. So there's an

798
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Speaker 3: app that I use called as well as Headspace, I use.

799
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Speaker 3: It's called Insight timer, and I just do the timed

800
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Speaker 3: meditations and then I'll use it for sleep at night

801
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: as well, use the I use apps to sleep. And

802
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 3: I think there's also an app called Humley that is

803
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: music meditation that I think I've heard of that you've

804
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: heard of it, yeah, And I because I am such

805
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: a musically oriented person. So for me, it's I use

806
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: music anyway that I think gets me through the day.

807
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 3: I think that got me through a divorce. I was

808
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: listening to music and changing the music that I was

809
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: listening to so that I wasn't still living in this

810
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: feeling of my marriage.

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Speaker 4: I switched over my genre.

812
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 3: And I just think that anything like music and that

813
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: humbly helps me as well when I want to tune

814
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 3: out and really focus the music.

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Speaker 2: I love that your approach to getting through your hurdles

816
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 2: is leaning into like the mental health and being kind

817
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: to yourself and the conversations that you're having up here

818
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: instead of a lot of the time, so many of

819
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: us lean into the physical.

820
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Speaker 1: I please, I.

821
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: Run my ass off when I'm feeling stressed or upset,

822
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Speaker 2: but sometimes it's just so important to dial it back in.

823
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Speaker 2: And I think what you're saying is just like so

824
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: beautiful about the conversation and the compassion that you've learned

825
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: to have with yourself.

826
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Speaker 3: Well, take your own like. That's another thing that I've

827
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: learned is like taking your energy back. We give it,

828
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 3: we give it, we give it, we give it, and

829
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: it's so easy and.

830
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 4: Two seconds to pull it back totally.

831
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Speaker 3: Which is something that I think is a really helpful

832
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 3: message for anybody. It's, you know, we have it all

833
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: in here, like we have all the power, And it

834
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 3: sounds like so hokey in some regards, but then it's

835
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: like once you feel it, you can definitely find it again.

836
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 3: I don't think there's a right or wrong to self care.

837
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 3: I think that self care is what works for you.

838
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 3: So if you if self care for you is ordering

839
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 3: like a pizza and or ordering a cheeseburger and eating

840
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: that and actually enjoying it versus putting shame on yourself

841
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: for it, then that's that's works for you.

842
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 4: You know. I think that we.

843
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 3: Make self care like this box that we have to

844
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 3: tick and do right, But it doesn't matter. You can

845
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: do self care in thirty seconds by doing whatever you

846
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 3: need to feel good. And I think that we've as

847
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 3: especially women too I think that we put so much

848
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 3: guilt on ourselves for everything anyway, and so and that's

849
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: not something that needs to be perfect. It just needs

850
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 3: to be whatever it looks like for you. So if

851
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: it's running for you or for me, it's just doing

852
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 3: a check in. I think that's it doesn't matter how

853
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 3: you do it, as long as you do something that

854
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 3: makes you feel loved.

855
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: Last question answer, You have an opportunity right now to

856
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: give yourself a piece of advice.

857
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: Let's do it.

858
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: Looking back on the woman who is crying in the

859
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 2: coke closet going through her divorce, trying to figure out

860
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: how to handle what comes next, you offer her a

861
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: piece of advice.

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00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: What's the advice.

863
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good question because that is like a

864
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: year ago to day, and so much has changed in

865
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Speaker 3: the past year. I think the advice would be to

866
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 3: love yourself. I really do. I think it's advice is

867
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 3: to love yourself and to know that you're enough and

868
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 3: who you are is completely like whole without somebody.

869
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Speaker 1: Else, without somebody else. I love it.

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Speaker 2: Alex, thanks so much for giving me your time today

871
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: and our run through all of the goodies. I'm so

872
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: I'm so happy that I got to sit down with you,

873
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: I feel like I could do it all.

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Speaker 4: Say this is great.

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Speaker 3: You asked so many wonderful questions and I just so

876
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 3: appreciate getting to be here and share the story. It's

877
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 3: definitely a deviation from what I usually.

878
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Speaker 4: Talk about, and I appreciate you being interested.

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Speaker 2: My gosh, please take a moment to leave a quick

880
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Speaker 2: review by clicking the link with the description of this episode.

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Speaker 2: We all face multiple hurdles in life, and I want

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Speaker 2: to hear about yours. Reach out to me at Emily

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Speaker 2: at Hurdle dot us. Connect with the podcast on Instagram

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Speaker 2: and Twitter at Hurdle Podcast Alex.

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Speaker 1: Where do they find you? Where do they find Bumble?

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Speaker 2: Give me the details on how they can interact bumble Has.

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Speaker 3: You can find Bumble in the app store and if

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Speaker 3: you are married or in a relationship, we have BFF

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Speaker 3: and biz and you can actually hide dating on your

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Speaker 3: platform with a timestamp. So it really is a connectivity

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Speaker 3: tool for introductions for anybody to meet. You can find

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Speaker 3: me on Instagram with my last name which is at Williamson.

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Speaker 3: I'm Alex Williamson and then bumble Has. I'm so proud

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Speaker 3: of our social media channels.

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Speaker 4: That we do have.

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Speaker 3: We have social media channels and every country, but it's

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Speaker 3: at Bumble It's our main Instagram. We have at bumble biz,

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Speaker 3: which is incredible career advice. At Bumble bff is great

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Speaker 3: friend advice. And then at Whitney is our just phenomenal

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Speaker 3: CEO and founder and she is so real on her

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Speaker 3: joy to follow.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to come back and talk to it. Also.

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Speaker 2: The last thing I'm gonna say is that timestamp feature

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Speaker 2: hiding must be It must have been a great improvement

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Speaker 2: to the app.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean that was something so many people were

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Speaker 3: married in relationships but still wanted to meet people exactly.

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Speaker 3: And it's not just for dating anymore. It's for all

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Speaker 3: of the connections we because that is That is one

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Speaker 3: thing I'll add in like the pps of this podcast

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Speaker 3: is that we don't believe we think, we don't think

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Speaker 3: that one relationship makes you whole. We think that it's

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Speaker 3: all of the relationships in your life that help make

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Speaker 3: you the best version of yourself. And that's in dating

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Speaker 3: and friendship and in business. And if any of those

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Speaker 3: are off kilter, it can.

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Speaker 4: Throw off everything about who you are.

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Speaker 3: So we really are trying to create healthy, happy relationships

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Speaker 3: in every aspect of your life.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm healthier and happier walking out here. You can

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Speaker 2: find me on Instagram at Emily Body. Find Hurdle at

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Speaker 2: Hurdle Podcast, Another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time,