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We've got the great Super Bowl 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.360 winning scout Brian brought us the Draft show legend. 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.160 Of course, my partner one O five through the Fan with. 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:02.680 The g bagnation, Nick Harris Dallascowboys dot Com, his first 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:04.520 year with us and is doing a bang up job. 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:06.160 Let's give a round of applase for Nick. 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:11.600 Please there, Bobby Belt are Cowboys insider Sean and arj 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:13.679 as well one O five through the Fan, and of 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:17.000 course Kyle Yemen's another new dad like myself over here 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:20.320 Dallas Cowboys dot Com, Kyle, long time North Texas me 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:21.160 and to Rain buddy mine. 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.720 As well, no doubt about it. And hey, let's give 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:25.640 it up for Zach Wolcheck here too. He's not gonna 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:27.720 get a round of applause, so I wanted to make 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:28.720 sure that he's good too. 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.080 Well, this is pretty awesome that we're sitting in here 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:33.680 in the Cowboys meeting room. I think this is the 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.240 first time in draft one on one history that that 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.120 has happened. And thank you so much to all that 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.840 are in attendance. You guys sold this thing out. I 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:43.959 think it was what within three hours that we had 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:47.440 tickets go up and available. Pretty incredible, and thank you 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.160 all to your draft passion, for you watching us on 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.680 the Draft show, all the interaction we get on social 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:56.320 media and on the fan. We love doing what we do, 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:58.640 but I think it's time we talked some drafts. Will 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:02.000 be taking questions from you throughout the entire time that 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.760 we're here, So if you have any questions, we can 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.400 figure out a way to get you on Mike and 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.200 we'll set you up right over there. You can come 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.840 over ask us a question and we're happy to talk 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:12.600 some draft with you. 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:13.919 But team. 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.680 I mean, as we're a week out pick twenty four, 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.399 if we got to kick it around the horn, what's 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:20.560 the dream pick right now? 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.679 Today? I think you guys know who mine is. Who 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:27.040 is it? Graham Barton? That's fine, Gram Barton? Is it yours? Yeah, 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:30.000 let's go, let's go after It's the Grand Barton fan 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:31.679 club right here. Yeah. 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.040 I love Graham Barton. I mean it is a projection. 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.639 And we've talked about him a lot. Played left tackle 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.400 most recently. You go back to res freshman year, you 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.519 can watch him play some center, But I think it's 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:44.040 the attitude in which Graham Barton plays, with the nastiness. 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.639 He wants to finish you every single snap. I think 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.240 if you haven't seen him the tape, the one on 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:52.520 ones against your Adverse from Florida State sit out to me, 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.360 it's exactly the reasons I don't want him necessarily as 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.520 a starter at left tackle, because you see some of 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:01.639 the limitations again against an athletic disrupt edge like Verse, 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.480 but you also see a time where Verse will stunt 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.560 inside and you get a little taste of what it'll 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:09.720 be like for Graham Barton in a phone booth there 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.799 and he just puts Je Verse on his ass, and 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:14.320 I'm like, that's my dude, right there. 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:16.280 He's done that a couple of times. He's so smart 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:17.919 with the way that he plays the game. That's the 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:19.959 thing is, he's got a high intelligence in the way 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.680 that he attacks defenders, and he does so against guys 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:24.800 like Verse, and he does so against anybody else. But 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:26.840 it's the versatility for me. With the way that Tyler 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:29.839 Smith is handled right now, left tackle the left guard 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.120 to left tackle the left guard, you don't necessarily know 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.600 exactly what you're doing. I think Graham Barton gives you 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.200 a for sure answer. You've got your left tackle of 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.000 the future. His name's Tyler Smith and he's already in 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:40.400 the building. 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:40.800 There you go. 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:42.880 We've talked a lot about Graham Barton being able to 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:44.040 come in and play center immediately. 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:44.280 Yeah. 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.120 Yeah, Well let's say he gets picked. Sure, what is 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:49.600 the potential he comes in. Hey, that's a really good 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.360 left guard you got right there, TJ. Basstbrock Hoffman. Those 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:54.840 are options you can still throw in at center left guard. 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:56.760 Graham Barton, I mean, with the trace that he has 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:58.720 and being able to play up against interior guys. You 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.120 say that he can handle, or those athletic guys, so 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.000 let's put them up against three texts, maybe even a 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.280 five tech that's trying to come inside. I think there's 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:07.280 also an option for grand Barton to play left guard. 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.280 I think for me that's probably why he would be 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:10.480 My dream pick is versatil. 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:12.920 Yeah, versatility. 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:16.159 The pan over here, Grand Barton, guys on the bus 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:16.560 with us with. 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:18.880 Twenty four. 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:21.400 You want to welcome in Isisa Morrison of course, Dallas 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:23.760 Cowboys dot Com. Thank you as well to those of 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.400 us streaming on twitch and on YouTube on the one 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.200 oh five three of the fans YouTube and twitch sites. 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:29.520 We appreciate you, We love you. 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.159 Aisha twenty four, Graham Barton or do you have somebody 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:33.080 else that's your dream pick? 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:34.200 No, I'm okay with it. 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:36.599 I think that somebody made a good point earlier today 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.320 on the show that even if he does come in, 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.039 if you were to bring in Graham Barton, is that 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:43.839 going to take away from how good he is with 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.840 communication as a center. And I think that you made 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:48.800 that point earlier, Nick, so that would be the only thing. 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:50.440 But we know what he's capable of. And then when 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:53.640 you look at the Cowboys, so many of the offensive 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:55.920 lines that they're playing a lot of the defensive lines 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:57.640 that they're playing are strong. 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:58.159 On the interior. 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:00.960 So to get a guy in, I'm not afraid to rustle, 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.479 would be nice to pair, you know, right there next 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.840 to the whatever whatever center they decide to bring in. 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:07.960 So, okay, Bobby, I want to get your thoughts here 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.640 in just a second. But Brian, this is way too comfortable. 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:11.480 We're all agreeing. 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:12.400 It's weird. 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.320 Why why should GRANM Barton not be the pick of 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.160 twenty four because Jackson powers Johnson should be the pick. 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.040 He's he always got to make a scene, man. 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.040 Yeah, But you know the thing, and I have nothing 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.880 against Graham Barton at all, And I think the thing 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.360 that when you look at the Dallas Cowboy was especially 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:28.680 with some of the issues that they dealt with in 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:30.960 the running game, I think point of attack blocking at 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.560 tight end was poor. I don't think Luke Schoonmaker did 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.320 enough for you there. I don't think the tight ends 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:37.680 as a hold it enough and your center was not 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.560 good enough at reaching wide techniques or getting second level blocks. 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.159 Graham Barton can do those kinds of things. But I 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.520 think when you start to talk about power and what 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.320 you're playing with within this division. When the NFC East, 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:54.960 we're starting to see these larger, bigger, more athletic tackles, 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:56.719 and so I think you have to be able to 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:58.800 combat that. And you know, Graham Barton, I think can 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.720 rustle with anybody like we're talking about. I think that 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:05.640 just powers. Johnson has just a little bit more power 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.440 to him. Is the three hundred and twenty eight pound guy. 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.680 But you watch him, You watch him reach wide techniques, 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.120 you watch him play second level, you watch him pull, 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.160 you watch him like get two blocks on one play. 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:19.360 He'll take a down guy, bounce that guy and then 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:23.160 bounce to another guy. Yeah. I like the kid from Duke. 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.000 But to me, if you want to give me the 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:29.040 most powerful player at that position, I'm taking Powers Johnson 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:29.600 from Oregon. 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.880 Okay, Bobby, Yeah. I mean look, it's funny. The four 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.200 names I think you see most consistently around the Cowboys, 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.000 just through mock drafts and everything else right now are Jackson, 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.360 Powers Johnson, Graham Barton, the two guys we talk about here, 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:46.200 and then Amarius Mems and Tyler Geyton. Amarusmims with the 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:50.680 tackle at Georgia, Guidon the tackle at Oklahoma. And this 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:54.159 is the function of picking at twenty four, is that 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.880 you're talking about there's a projection, there's a question, there's 0:06:58.000 --> 0:06:59.840 something about all of them, no matter how much you 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:00.440 like them. 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:02.960 If you like Memes, you like Geiton. 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.840 You're talking about projecting somebody to left tackle that's been 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:08.400 primarily a right tackle. If you like Jackson powers Johnson, 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:10.920 you're gonna have to probably get comfortable with some things 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.520 about his health. If you're talking about Graham Barton, you're 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:15.680 talking about kicking him inside to a completely different position 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.560 than he's played since you know, his freshman year. And 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:22.120 so I lean towards when I say, what are the 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:23.200 Cowboys doing right now? 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:23.960 Where are they at? 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:24.400 Are? 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.040 You know, they are teams that are rebuilding. There are 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:27.640 other teams in the middle of contention. There are other 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.080 teams trying to, you know, get in while the window 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:33.160 is still open. And I think that the Cowboys being 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:35.040 in sort of a win now mode right now, it's 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.320 just what center are you most comfortable with, because I 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:42.240 think center minimizes the most risk of all of the 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.320 picks that they're potentially looking at at the offensive line, 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:46.360 because you do have Tyler Smith who can play tackle. 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:48.200 You do have TJ. Bass who can play guard. 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.640 If you commit to Tyler Smith at left guard, you know, 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:53.960 are you talking about potentially a center and a left 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:55.120 tackle that you got to go find. 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.600 How comfortable are you with bra Kaufman. I think that TJ. 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.920 Bass is probably more ready to go right now than 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:02.880 I would say Hoffman. 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:04.640 Sure, well, we've also gone to see him a little 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:05.000 bit more. 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.640 Yeah, and so because of that, just where that function is, 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:09.560 then I think you got to say, Okay, the win 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.680 now move right now. That is for the betterment of 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:14.800 your team. Would be to me, whichever center you have 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:18.320 great at hire right now? I would probably lean Graham Barton. 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:23.040 Does anybody are you scared about? And maybe the apprehension 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.000 I would have about Memes. I think Mems is a 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.800 hell of a player. And I always get these guys 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:29.600 laugh at me because I'm the old guy when we 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:32.520 start to talk about ceilings and floors and all that. 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:34.199 I never talked about that in a war room, but 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.960 they talk about it today. But I was just wondering 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:40.840 with Memes and the lack of games that he's played. 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.800 You know, you could watch the Ohio State playoff game 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.160 and you get an idea of like, Okay, this guy 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:50.520 can block NFL type players, but is there any apprehension 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:54.200 about him playing a different position though, But with the 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.040 minimal number of games that he's played. 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:57.800 You ever been to a wedding, you know you got 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:58.120 the loaf. 0:08:58.240 --> 0:08:59.600 I've been in a couple of them myself. 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:03.040 You see these ceilings that are all the subject nick, Yeah, 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.920 I lost I lost my I lost in a wedding. 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.680 I lost my first one because of the NFL. Okay, okay, 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:13.160 just what exact You walk into the venue. You see 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:15.439 these high, high ceilings with the chandelier, and you look, 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:16.920 You've tried to do this with me before. 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.319 I would love to touch that chandelier, but yeah, I'm 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.800 gonna have to get there. That's that's chandelier all the 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:24.600 way up there. But also you are looking at your 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.520 feet and you realize how tall that shandel I've been 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.280 laying on the ground before weddings. Yeah, I understand that too. 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:30.280 You got to. 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:31.640 Understand how far you got to get to get there. 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:33.560 And I think that that is what Amarus Mims is. Yes, 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:35.880 he has this crazy high ceiling, but also at the 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.640 same time, you don't really know completely the product that 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.160 you're getting for me whenever I'm looking at guys that 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:42.880 you don't have a lot of experience with and a 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.760 Marius Mims case only eight starts at Georgia. Yes, his 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.160 first start came in a game against Ohio State and 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.640 the playoffs in my finals back in twenty twenty three, 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:52.320 and I really loved what he did in that game. 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.280 I think that was his best product that he put forth. 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.440 What I like to see whenever I'm looking at guys 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.960 that don't have a lot of experience is okay, what 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:00.960 did they show that they can that I know that 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:02.839 they can improve on at the next level. What have 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.080 they shown in that eight games that they've been able 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:07.320 to develop? Because you can at least get a trajectory 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:09.320 from that line, right, you look at game one, you 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:11.559 look at game eight. Okay, I didn't like what he 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.160 did here as far as his hand fighting was against 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.000 Ohio State in certain areas. Okay, here in game eight, 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.160 I see that kind of improving. Yes, there is still 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:21.239 ways for him to go, but I know that trajectory 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.880 is actually going. So with the Marius Mims, I love 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:25.920 the frame, I love the size. I think with a 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.080 guy like that, you bring him in the building, you 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:29.800 start to ask, Okay, what do you know from an 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.640 intelligent standpoint? What do you know from a blocking scheme standpoint? 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.520 Can you get to the second level? What does your 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.680 mobility look like? And I think you kind of round 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:38.480 that all up in your report, But I think that's 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:40.880 when the in house stuff becomes so important, because you 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:42.240 want to know the type of person you're getting to 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.400 if it means that you have to really develop that guy. 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.160 This is where if I was in the war room 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.520 with Jerry Jones, being an older guy, I would try 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.960 and sell Flozel Adams here because the thing I always 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.440 learned about working with Jerry, you have to tell him 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.120 this player reminds me of this guy and you could 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.079 paint that picture for him. If you could do that, 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.079 then he'll have a better understanding of what he's potentially 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:07.240 dealing with. So if I was one of the older 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.719 scouts like Chris Hall guys that been with him, I 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.400 would say, hey, potentially this is your flos Oh Adams. 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.480 At six eight, three hundred and forty pounds. He has 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.280 a history and understanding of what flows Oh Adams was 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:22.160 like as a tackle for him in the nineties. How 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:23.720 do you feel about Amarus mems Asia. 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.800 I mean, I kind of agree with Brian on this 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:28.680 and this, and I think it goes back to what 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.720 Bobby said about this being a year where you're looking 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:33.960 for this team to take a step forward, and you're 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:37.000 relying on the idea that this gentleman is going to 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.640 come in and be that starter that you're looking for. 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:41.839 With some of the development stuff and some of the 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.880 timing in which he's had experience or the lack of experience, 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.400 that would give me pause just because you really ain't 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.000 got time for your quarterback to be getting hit this year, 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.440 especially with the loss of Tyring. So for me, I'm 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.240 on the fence about it, but I do see the 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.920 potential there. It's just like, baby, I don't know if 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:00.400 we got time for potential right now. 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:04.600 Well, and not to completely like turn the conversation back 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.920 to Graham Barton again, but that's please. 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:08.600 I know I would love for that. 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.360 But the the the whole point about this tackle class 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:14.600 is that there's a lot of question marks outside of 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.240 those first couple names. Joe Walt no to Dame check, 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:21.640 Olufashan open State check, Tali essay Uaga from Oregon State. 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:25.240 Yeah, you sean thing you gotta s Yeah, I'm who 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.679 didn't like Patrick tir Tan coming out always Tave's boring. 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:29.040 You're that kind of game year. 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:29.640 We'll circle back there. 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:32.200 But I'm just saying, whenever you're talking. 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.199 About these top tackle prospects, outside of those top three 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.800 or four names, you've got question marks around almost every 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:39.280 other tackle prospect. 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:41.160 Okay, they're either moving positions. 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:43.760 I know there's a move of a position for Graham Barton, 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.280 maybe not so much for Jackson Powers Johnson as well, 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.640 but it's a translatable thing to the NFL. That's different 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.120 than sticking a guy at left tackle in Like Aysha's 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:54.160 pointing out, you got to play immediately and you've got 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.200 to be good immediately to protect that quarterback. 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:57.520 So we do we get we got a lot of 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.920 guys that we've seen most recently play on the rights, 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.320 and you might be projecting them over to the left. 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.560 Bobby out of the most realistic options, and I guess 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.880 we learned with Ceedee lambfalling to seventeen, maybe everything's a 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.040 realistic option. You don't know what's going to happen in 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.839 the draft, But who do you think are the short 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.880 list of Tackles that you would think the Cowboys would 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:18.199 go for there at twenty four. 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.400 I and you mentioning the Lamb scenario there, So we're 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.120 just talking about who we think can like outside of 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:25.200 a Lamb scenario. 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.319 Outside of a Lamb scenario, and then maybe the one guy, 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.360 because I certainly have one that if we did get 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.319 a dream Lamb scenario, that I think would be a 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:32.160 home run selection. 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:33.480 I think Tackles. 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:35.880 It's names we've kicked around a lot recently on the 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.559 Draft show, Mems, Geiten, those two stand out right there, 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:40.880 and then to me, I think the other one that 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.120 we should be talking more about, and I think that 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.840 there's a building awareness of him among Cowboys fans within 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.120 the draft Muti is Kingsley Suamataiya from BYU. 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:50.959 Okay, I'm glad that you brought him up. Was a 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:54.679 visit yesterday here, posted about it at the Star. I 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.120 think he's better than the other two guys, Geidon and Mims. 0:13:58.440 --> 0:13:59.440 Would you agree or disagree? 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.560 Felt ready better? Right, He's He's higher on my stack 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:04.480 than both of those guys. Yeah, I could see it 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:06.440 with Geiton, I don't know if I'm there with Mims. 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:07.600 Mims has more. 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:11.960 Again, I should say potential right upside ceiling. 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.680 Is that chandelier right up there? But there's so many 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:15.439 question marks. 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.040 I think I know what I'm getting in Kingsley Suamati 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.480 three hundred and ninety one pass naps and allow a 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.120 single sack last year. You have seen him at both 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.360 and I think at first I was a little critical. 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:27.440 Does he open up his chest? Is he letting lineman 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:29.920 get inside of him there? When it comes to the footwork, 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.640 the athleticism, could he translate? Went back watching him a 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.000 little bit more because he is a name that I 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:38.720 think is starting to Hey, we need to know him here, Bobby. 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:41.000 I think the guy can do it, and I think 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.160 he's steady, and you know what he's getting. There's less 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:44.840 of a projection to your point, Yeah, And. 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.080 I mean, look, you you kind of referenced it there 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:49.760 for all of the projection that we're talking about. Look, 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:53.000 Kingsley Suwamatia is still is a raw football player in 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:56.520 a lot of ways. But I think that, like you mentioned, 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.920 we have seen a full season of right tackle snaps. 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.320 We've seen most recently full season of left tackle snaps. 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.160 You know that he adjusted well to those sort of 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:05.960 things and this is look, this is where this this 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.520 Cowboys scouting staff is so critical and they do such 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:10.040 a good job. 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:10.680 There was. 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:16.760 So much hand ringing and disappointment and freaking out the 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.000 night they picked Tyler Smith for a lot of people, 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.480 and this was a staff that said, look, we've done 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.040 the investigative work to understand who this player is and 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.720 why he has the ability to progress forward and reach 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.320 this despite all these flaws that you may see, we're 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.120 comfortable with them doing this. So to me, I think 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.240 that Kingsley Suamati is some of those same sort of 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:38.000 issues that you see. It's a similar question with Tyler Smith, 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.160 where if they're comfortable with what kind of a worker 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.560 he is, how he takes the coaching things like that, 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:45.560 I think he'd be a great pick because I think 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:47.800 the upside really is fantastic. 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.200 Well, in a shout out to the Cowboy Scouts, I mean, 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:52.520 if they draft Alignment in the first round, they know 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:54.520 what they're doing, so I'm not I mean, even if 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.800 they were to take a guy in at Oklahoma who 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.400 I'm not in love with and I think certainly has 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:01.880 to bet on like which one of those guys, I 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.360 don't think translates the best. I think Geiden's got a 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.560 little bit more work to be done, but you see 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.680 some traits there that you really like that I could 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.280 see an offensive line coach say, Okay, bring him in. 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.560 I can bold him and make him something good. What 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.520 was the offensive tackle that would slide to you that 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:18.000 would get you most excited. 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.240 Bobby, I'm the guy that I would love to fall 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:22.920 down to them. That the guy that would be my dream, 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:24.480 and I just I don't see him getting own. There's 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.040 just Troy Fatano from Washington. That's a guy to me 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.920 that I think, no matter where you want to play him, 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:33.640 however you want to use Tyler Smith, I think Troy 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:37.600 Fatano can step in and be a above average NFL 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.120 tackle or guard right away. And I think he's somebody 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.360 who can be a Pro Bowl guard tackle in very 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.000 short order. And so whichever direction you want to play him, 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:46.680 if you can get him to slide down the border 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:48.120 a little bit too, if you get some of these 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.760 teams that like Fuagamore and fashion new guys like that, 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.560 then and you can push him down. It's not as 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:55.680 unrealistic to me heading into draft day as it felt 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:57.280 like Ceedee Lamb was and that happened. 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:01.520 Brian more realistic guy to slide. Is it Fuaga from 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.440 Oregon State or is it Fatana? You think from Washington Patano? 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.360 I think Fuaga. They've done a lot of a lot 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:08.440 of leg work on too. 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.080 To me, he was putting one of those guys that 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.639 have kind of viewed as a possible trade up, you know, 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.800 I know there was all the early mock drafts had 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:21.639 him basically with the Jets at ten before you know, 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:23.600 they made the deal with for Tyron Smith. I don't 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:25.640 think that's going to keep the Jets from doing anything 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.560 like that. But to me, Fuaga is the one. I mean, 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.359 I got him second a second offensive tackle. On my board, 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.560 Alt would be number one. But you know, I think 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.600 it's really really interesting, uh when you when you start 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.240 to talk about uh uh Fatano and what he could 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:44.840 do and like, to me, there's a lot of just 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.000 wow blocks with him. There are you know when you 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:52.040 watch him, the power, the upper body strength. He had 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.240 a little trouble in the USC game, and you always 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.840 kind of look for the good competition with guys. You know, 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:58.199 they got a little bit maybe a little bit better 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.199 edge rushers and stuff like that was a little bit 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.920 of a battle for him. The waste spending stuff was 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:04.800 getting a little bit of a problem for him. But 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.880 for a man that size, when you talk about six four, 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:11.360 three hundred and seventeen pounds, the athletic ability has man. 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.880 If he could somehow get to you, boy, that would 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:15.480 be a big get for the Cowboys. 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.560 All right, let's do a little top three, because you 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:20.760 guys know I love my top ten lists, so I 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:24.400 want to go ahead and name I'll name my top 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.399 three three round selections. If the Cowboys came away with this, 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:29.760 I'm having a party on draft night. 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:31.240 You guys can give me yours. 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.359 If you like anything that I've done here, go ahead 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:35.399 and share that with me, and then we can go ahead, 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:37.760 maybe take some questions for those of you that want 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:39.359 to ask us anything here on draft one on one. 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:40.720 I appreciate you being here. 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:43.639 I think you guys know obviously Graham Barton duke center 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:46.960 twenty four, I'd be thrilled with. I am willing to 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.359 take the risk at fifty six. Now I don't have 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.920 the medical report, right, I think, talk to me, Peyton 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.080 Wilson's the best linebacker in this draft. 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:59.480 And instead of this in the wolf Pack or instead 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:01.200 of that in the Texas Longhorns. 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:03.800 I thought you were going Jonathan Brooks. No, no, I'm 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.440 not going Jonathan Brooks. And the reason is is I 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.560 think that there's a running back in the third round 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:10.320 that I could get that I like quite a bit 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:13.480 as well. And I think this one it's not that 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:15.480 one because I think Trayvinsky's going to be off the board, 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:17.399 but that's my RB one is Trey Benson. But I 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.600 think Peyton Wilson. I think linebacker is more likely. Maybe 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:22.920 a spot you've got to address in the second round, 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:23.920 because I think running back. 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.080 Stretches a little bit more to me in the third. 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.000 Now, I could see the Cowboys one hundred percent going 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:30.119 ahead and taking Jonathan Brooks out of Texas be a 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:31.840 good pick. He's my running back too. I wouldn't be 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:34.880 upset with it. But you need a linebacker. Peyton Wilson 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.360 the tape when you turn it on, he's faring away 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:39.280 the best in the draft. I don't think there's any 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:42.760 question mark when it comes to rushing the passer, tackling 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:47.119 in space, coverage ability. The questions are all the medical history. 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:49.399 And in the second round, I mean we are in 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.080 a building where they've taken some guys a medical history 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:54.600 because the talent's just too darn good to pass up. 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.120 This guy, though, has played two years of clean football, 0:19:57.520 --> 0:19:59.440 and I'm hoping that maybe that's behind him. 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:00.320 I just him. 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.760 I'd go ahead and say talent's too good to pass up. 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:04.760 Edgerrian Cooper would be my other name out of A 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:06.800 and M the linebacker there. I'd take them both ahead 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.760 of Junior Golson out of Michigan. But at three, it's 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:13.920 Jalen Wright, running back at A Tennessee. I love Jalen Wright, 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:16.120 the explosiveness. I think he's gonna be a three down back. 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.760 To me, he's fantastic, and I think he's probably one 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.720 of the more underrated running backs in the drafts. Listen 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:24.080 to Draft show, Bucky Irving, I know his Nicks guy. 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:26.320 You know I love Jalen Wright. Brian, I know you're 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:26.920 a fan as well. 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:29.159 Yeah I am too. You know, if I had to 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:32.320 look at my perfect draft, I think Powers Johnson, the 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:34.960 center from Oregon, would be the guy that would take. 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.080 I really do like Wilson a lot from and I've 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:42.320 even I'm old enough to have scouted Luke Keigley when 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:44.680 he played when he came out of Boston College. I 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:47.560 think this kid has those kinds of traits. His ability 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.399 to play down hill, the ability to cover, the ability 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.280 to play sideline to sideline. The only thing holding him 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.320 back is this injury history, you know, and again that's something, 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:59.280 but I would absolutely love the opportunity to have him. 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.399 What you did with the I like what you did 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:04.760 with the running back though in the third round. Me 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:08.520 personally like Lloyd the running back from USC a little 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:11.840 bit better than right Alan Irbing. I think that there's 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:14.480 going to be some value there with those guys. So 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:16.800 to me, if you could, if you give me that 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.480 that that killer at the at the center, a linebacker 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:22.960 that will make every single tackle, and then a running 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:26.400 back with some elusiveness, ability to catch the football, make 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:29.200 people miss, kind of help your offensive line. So you 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:31.000 think you're doing yourself some good work there. 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:35.000 We're going dream scenario here, dreams, Okay, dreams, sell me 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:37.240 on dreams. Well, my first round pick would be Troy Fatanu. 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.120 Then that that would be I think see Lamb situation 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:42.919 and here we go at twenty four. Yeah, it's it's unlikely, 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.080 but that would be the dream scenario. Second round, I'm 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:47.280 still going Jonathan Brooks. I I love what he did 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:50.840 in his one season. I love what he'd do with 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:52.480 his one season as a star with the Long Horns. 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:54.440 I mean, you talk about contact balance, you talk about 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:56.600 being able to fight through guys. He's still is elusive 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:58.440 out of the backfield as well as a receiving option. 0:21:58.920 --> 0:21:59.040 Uh. 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:01.920 They understand the medical reports in this building with the 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:05.159 Cowboys team doctor performing the surgery on that ACL and 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:07.359 like you said, there is no hesitance in this building 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:10.440 when it comes to injury guys. So second round Jonathan Brooks, 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:12.200 and then third round you would have to address that 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:16.119 defensive tackle or linebacker position. For me, I'm going defensive tackle, 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:17.879 and I would like to go McKinley Jackson there in 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:19.440 the third round out of Texas A and m just 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:20.960 a wide body that you can put at one tech 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.720 and be able to fill those running lanes. Look, Mazzie 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:26.280 Smith coming back next year. I don't think anyone really 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:29.399 understands what's going to happen there. He lost a lot 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:31.320 of weight towards the back end of the season last year. 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:33.480 He's dealing with a shoulder injury going into the year. 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:35.360 And as of right now, that's your only one tech. 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:36.840 I feel like that has to be addressed in the 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:39.239 first two days. Go ahead and get McKinley Jackson there 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:40.960 in the third and hope that he can come in 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:43.720 and at least provide a wide body. If Mazzi is 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:45.600 not able to come onto the field or if he's 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:46.399 not what they expected. 0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:49.800 When did you go Jackson in the third? Because you 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:53.960 know that the one technique defensive tackles it's not deep 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:54.239 at all. 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:55.159 Yeah, it's not deep at all. 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:56.560 And I feel like I can get a linebacker there 0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:58.640 on day three where you can still have some really 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:01.160 good value. We talk about guys like Jordan McGee out 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:03.280 of Temple. That's an option that you could you could 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:05.040 possibly throw out at linebacker. I'm trying to think of 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:07.000 guys right off the top of my head. At Afonola 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:09.159 Fohio out of Washington. I think he's another guy that 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:10.760 you could you could get there on day three. So 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:13.680 I think there's a little bit wall out of Kentucky. Yeah, 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:15.600 I think he goes into the third, and I think 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:17.040 that's probably the discussion you have. 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:18.840 Do you want to go ahead and jump on tray Love. 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:21.520 I'm a big fan. I mean, if you don't take 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:24.600 linebacker on the second, I'm iin Wallas in the third. 0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:26.480 Yeah, he brings a lot to the table. 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:28.840 And you have to also understand, if you're picking there 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:30.879 at eighty seven and there's no trades involved, you're not 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:33.640 picking again until one seventy four late in the fifth round, 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:35.960 So you're you'all can sleep in on day three. There's 0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:37.760 there's not gonna be a whole lot going on until 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:40.240 that pick one seventy four if there's not a trade mate. 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:41.879 So I want to make sure and I get a 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:44.240 position where I know there's a bigger need, and for me, 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:45.480 that's defensive tackle over line. 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:48.040 Okay, if there's no trades. Though, to me, where I 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:50.359 think Jackson from Texas A and M fits for you 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:52.840 is if you do back up, if you get that 0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:55.480 extra Yeah, because you get that at high frigg. And 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:57.159 I know if you watched the draft show that we 0:23:57.240 --> 0:24:00.679 did this morning, we went, we traded back and then 0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:03.080 we traded back up. So if you want to go 0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:05.320 back and kind of get an idea how the landscape 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:08.280 might be for that, we did that this morning. But Yeah, 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:10.680 to me, I think that Jackson is if you pick 0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:13.320 up that extra pick, you know, but man, he is 0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:15.600 a really good player for texting three hundred and twenty 0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:17.040 six pound guy that plays on the other side of 0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:18.159 the line of scrimmag. 0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:19.320 Yeah to me, I mean it's funny because you're talking 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:20.960 about him as a one tech and that's the guy 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:22.040 typically you think, like. 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:25.200 What you drafted Mazie, Right, that's what kicking me in 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:27.159 the butt, right, But what excites me the most. 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:31.400 About McKinley Jackson is actually his disruptiveness up the field, right, Yeah, 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:32.120 I mean he's got. 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:34.480 Some pass rush ability for a one tech, Right, what 0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:35.399 about you, Bobby? 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:39.480 Yeah, I think Fittano is the dream at twenty four 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:42.280 for me. I don't know how tainable it is, but look, 0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:44.879 I think that when you look at what was most 0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:47.719 wrong with this football team at the end of the year, 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:49.359 like I think we would say that it was the 0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:50.879 running game on both sides of the ball. 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:52.680 Who was stopping the run? It was being able to 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:53.680 generate the running game. 0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:57.440 And then you know, you've got some peripheral traits that 0:24:57.640 --> 0:24:59.680 you would maybe talk about, like you want the glass eaters, 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:01.399 you want the toughness, you want the guys with the 0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:04.280 edge on them, and so to me, I think Fatanu 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:07.720 fits that on the offensive line. It's it's gonna be 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:09.960 tough figuring out center. But I mean at that point 0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:12.680 the value would just be too high for me, So 0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:14.880 Fatanu there. And then in the second round it's Eddrian 0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:16.920 Cooper because I I do think that that's somebody who's 0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:18.840 a chance to be really special. 0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:20.560 And look, I know you've got a pass to. 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:24.920 Absolutely and that's somebody who like a lot of times 0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:27.639 we see, you know, these hair on fire type of 0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:30.720 linebackers that have come out in recent years where we 0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:33.760 but we start watching them at times and it shows 0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:35.639 up in there a lot Brian and your reports too. 0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:37.560 A lot of times we end up describing these guys like, 0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:39.480 well they're guess or so like when when they gets 0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:42.080 the right, when they guess right, they hit it and 0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:44.879 it's impressive and when it gets wrong it's ugly. And 0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:48.159 I think that with Cooper, to me, I see a 0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:51.640 lot of natural instincts that the longer that he's in place, 0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:53.320 it doesn't mean that he's always in his run fits 0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:55.480 the right way, He misses, he over pursues at times, 0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:58.040 but I think the instincts overall are really good. And 0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:00.200 and you know, with Eric Kendricks being here for probrobably 0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:04.920 just a year, I think that overshown and Cooper is 0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:05.960 a dou It would be great. And then in the 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:08.399 third round you're looking at a running back. I mean, 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:11.400 I could say dream and say pray everybody is scared 0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:13.480 away by Jonathan Brooks's knee, but I'm not gonna cheat. 0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.560 So instead I'll say oddric Estime from Notre Dame. 0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:17.200 I Guestime. 0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:18.880 That's another name that we haven't talked about a ton 0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:20.080 and he's a good player. 0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:20.680 And that's it. 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:22.800 I mean, for those of you that aren't familiar with 0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:25.200 adrog Estimate from Notre Dame, this is not going to 0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:26.440 be a Tony Pollard replacement. 0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:29.560 No, that's a downhill between the tackles I'm gonna run 0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:29.840 you over. 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:32.320 But I mean that's something that they could use. Is 0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:35.240 they could use physicality, they could use toughness, they could 0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:36.680 use that edge in the running game. And so to me, 0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:39.240 you remember a couple of years ago in the Tyler 0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:40.760 Smith draft that seemed to be a big folks for 0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:43.159 them to like, let's identify toughness as a trait and 0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:46.520 include that in our prioritization, and I think that they're 0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:47.919 kind of back to that spot again. I think if 0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:51.000 you get those three, you're getting three really tough players 0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:52.840 who really help set the tone in the run game 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:53.520 on both sides. 0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:56.720 You could look at these first three picks and there's 0:26:56.760 --> 0:26:58.840 a lot of names that have been circling that have 0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:01.400 those medical red flags. I know Peyton Wilson we talked 0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:06.520 about extensively, Jackson Powers, Johnson has some medical concerns. Jonathan Brooks. 0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:09.399 In my dream, there's no hurt guys, none of that. 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.040 I don't want any medical red flags in my first 0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:14.400 three picks. So I'm gonna go with Graham Barton early. 0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:22.000 I think Graham Barton is shoulder training camp, it's been passed, 0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:25.760 we're fine, everything's good. But yes, I'm gonna have Graham 0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:28.960 Barton as ze first pick. Overall, the dream continues with 0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:31.639 Edgrin Cooper and for the same thing there, I'm dreaming 0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:34.320 of the world where Demarvin Overshown and Edgering Cooper on 0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:38.000 the field together and interchangeable back and forth, tons of link, 0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:41.440 tons of athleticism, pass rush ability, and really that sideline, 0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:44.080 the sideline that you've been missing, and a physicality you've 0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:46.040 been missing at the second level, and a guy that 0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:49.119 hasn't had the same injury history as a guy like 0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:49.879 a Peyton Wilson. 0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:51.879 As fun as Wilson's tape is. 0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:54.720 To watch to watch, I'm still worried overall about what 0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:56.520 he can bring speed the third one. 0:27:57.240 --> 0:27:58.680 My dream is still alive, though. 0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:01.120 I think Trey Benson does fall a little bit further 0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:03.720 with early, and I've got Benson higher than right. I'd 0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:05.240 love it if you were there, I'd take Benson over. 0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:07.439 And here's here's the reason why this is not one 0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:10.320 of those running back classes with b John Robinson. This 0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:12.440 isn't a running back class with Jimi or Gibbs. This 0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:15.800 isn't that same level of class. We're talking about Jonathan Brooks, 0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:18.879 who barely has an a c L that's up front early, 0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:22.040 and you're still trying to talk about him being the 0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:23.000 pick at fifty six. 0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:27.159 I should thought that you thought I had ride it 0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:31.440 too no one way down to the I was afraid 0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:33.120 Benson's my one, Brooks is my two. 0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:34.720 Do you think he's gonna fall all the way down 0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:35.119 to No? 0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:39.800 I don't. In kyle'sa it is a dream scenario. 0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:42.560 I think it's possible the running back position isn't valued 0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:43.440 as much as he used to. 0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:45.640 Be, and I think there's an opportunity for these guys 0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:46.560 to fall. I don't. 0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:48.040 I don't know that he falls all the way down 0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:49.520 to them in the third round. I would be very 0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:51.280 surprised at this point if Trey Benson went in the 0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:51.719 first two. 0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:55.240 Okay. Yeah, But with that being said, if I don't, 0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:56.360 I can be optimistic about this. 0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:57.920 I mean, I like Trey Benson. I have him in 0:28:57.960 --> 0:28:59.840 the second, but I do I would be surprised if 0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:00.720 he in the first two round. 0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:02.600 You've got Braylan Allen sitting there too, and you talk 0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:04.480 about a physical runner and a guy that could be 0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:08.040 that back and forth, that downhill between the facles. I 0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:10.959 like Allan out of Wisconsin as my backup scenario. If 0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.040 Benson isn't there and I still need to take a 0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:15.760 running back in the third, okay, I would probably just 0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:19.400 go with Ray Davis so the Kentucky and talked them down. 0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:20.400 What do you got an issue? 0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:21.200 So? 0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:21.760 Okay? 0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:24.840 So are we agreeing that if Talise Fuaga fall to 0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:26.560 fail to you, you're just gonna move him to the 0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:28.120 other side to left? 0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:28.800 Yes? Yeah? 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:33.280 Oh, Okay, so we're dreaming. So yeah, we're dreaming as 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:35.880 far as I mean. I've also heard there's some guard love. 0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:39.720 There's tell you there's some guard love from scouts. Don't 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:40.680 stress me out, just say it. 0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:41.479 Just want to go out. 0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:42.000 Just let me go. 0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:43.280 Get a little bit more complex. 0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:46.480 But only we're playing Madden. That's what we're doing now. 0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:47.000 Now. 0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:49.760 First round pick, I think Talis. 0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:53.480 He just comes in and his temperament is just he's 0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:55.880 a tone setter, and I think that's something that you're 0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:58.600 looking for on your offensive line. It wasn't that many 0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:00.240 times I saw a bat snaps from him, I don't 0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.600 know about, y'all. And just how quickly he can get 0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:05.840 to the second second level, to the second level, like 0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:07.920 we talked about, is important to me as well. So 0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:10.160 I would go with him for my first round pick. 0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:13.080 For my second round pick, I decided, y'all that if 0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:16.320 if they not going to address DT, then they just 0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:17.520 need to score a whole bunch of points. 0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:23.680 So for me, I I would like Ricky PIERSO, look 0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:26.800 at you, Okay, look at you. I was going to 0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:30.400 ask the question, nobody picked a wide receiver. Everybody. 0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:35.040 Nobody thought about a receiver in the first two. I'm 0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:36.000 so proud of you right now. 0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:36.800 I'm only doing it. 0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:39.560 I'm only doing it because I I just think that 0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:41.479 he could be a really good addition to this, uh, 0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:44.520 this offense. Do some things underneath? Is the route running 0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:46.200 is there from him? He's really smooth in and out 0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:48.400 of his brakes. But then also too, you look at 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:50.560 Brandon Cooks. Yeah, he's here for another year, but you 0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:52.520 you need to be trying to plan for the future 0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:56.760 a little bit. That wide receiver corps after Brandon Cooks. 0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.640 I mean there's there's still Jayling tober, but we're still 0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:01.760 seeing wait for him to take a step up as well. 0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:05.480 So for my third round pick'm uh uh, Brian already 0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:05.720 said it. 0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:08.280 I think Marshawn Lloyd out of USC will be a 0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:12.040 fantastic addition to this backfield runs with some toughness. I 0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:14.040 like his vision and how he's able to slash and 0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:16.840 things like that. So at this point, if you're not 0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:20.200 going to touch DT early, then let's just score a 0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:21.440 whole bunch of points in offense. 0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:21.800 Offense. 0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:25.120 Offense absolutely sit the return of team forty Burger or 0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:25.840 is that what we're doing? 0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:28.760 Yeah, I mean, somebody who something the draft. 0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.120 To fans out there know that they got that, and 0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:32.160 I'm heavy on DT. 0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:35.200 I think, like I know, Bobby feels very strongly about 0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:38.080 the fact that, hey, you already you did. 0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:40.440 That last year, but you want to take a DT. 0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:42.640 Bobby, he doesn't want to take one early early. 0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:43.800 Like I understand that. 0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:47.400 Look, you you you gave up a fourth round pick. 0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:50.800 You have not really done anything in free agency. You've 0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:55.120 signed two outside free agents, right, Royce Freeman the running back, 0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:58.360 and then you went and got Eric Hendricks. You've lost 0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:01.760 four defensive linemen. So I understand, like you do need 0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:04.120 defensive line help everything else. But when you're talking about 0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:07.080 what can you afford to do right now, what is 0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:09.880 not only within your budget like financially, but what's within 0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:12.840 your budget in terms of capital. To me, last year 0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.480 they had a very passionate argument. We all saw the 0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:18.440 miked up segment and like we've heard the discussion about it, 0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:23.480 there was a very passionate argument about Matthew Berger on 0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:26.880 the offensive lineman or Mazzie Smith the defensive tackle. And 0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:31.160 they made their commitment twelve months ago. We were twelve 0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:33.640 months removed from them saying this is a first round player. 0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:35.440 This is somebody we're willing to take over a premium 0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:36.600 position an offensive line. 0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:37.960 This is what we're going to do. 0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:41.000 So with so many legitimate holes until you figure out 0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.480 where Tyler Smith is playing, until you settle on that, 0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:46.440 you currently have three holes in terms of starting positions 0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:49.360 on your offensive line. You've got holes in the linebackers, 0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:51.480 you know, the edge rusher's got a lot of holes 0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:53.280 with depth. To me, one of the areas where you 0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:57.280 can't sacrifice right now is say, we've got to be 0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:59.480 able to trust that OsO Degeizua is going to continue 0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:01.480 to be a great three technique and the guy we 0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:04.760 graded as a top fifteen player or whatever it was 0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:08.040 a year ago. We need to bank on that evaluation, 0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:10.200 trust the evaluation, and we need to trust this new 0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:12.400 coaching staff that we brought in to bring that out 0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:14.840 of him, because that at least you have something to 0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:16.880 bank on right now with offensive line and other positions 0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:18.320 on the field, it's like, well, you don't even have 0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:20.800 anything to hope for because there's not a player there 0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:21.160 right now. 0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:21.760 It's empty. 0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:24.760 And so I just want I understand if it was 0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:27.000 a if you had six picks in the first three rounds, 0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:29.640 you had this wealth of draft capital, I'd be all four. 0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:30.920 Taking a defensive tackle as well. 0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:34.480 It's just with the limited resources, is that the most 0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:36.600 efficient use for a team that needs to win right now? 0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:41.400 What about you bring a wide receiver maybe sneaky need. 0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:44.080 I think I could make the same argument for corner. 0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:47.360 What do you have right now behind Digs and Bland 0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:49.719 and Lewis sure that you feel good about But Eric 0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:51.840 Scott Junior, they did move up and draft. Now you 0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:54.479 got a different defensive coaching staff in there. I mean 0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:56.880 you have and you're banking on Digs coming back from 0:33:56.880 --> 0:33:59.680 an injury, and we've seen sometimes that doesn't always go 0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.760 as you had hoped. Uh, there's some good corners that 0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:04.959 you could take from rounds two through four. Maybe it's 0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:08.640 a TJ. Tampa at Iowa State. Maybe it's Kyrie Jackson 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:11.839 out of Oregon. You know, maybe there's a slot guy 0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:13.799 that you like, Jerry and Jones out of Florida State 0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:14.919 you could take early day three. 0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:18.040 I mean, would would corner come into your mind at all? 0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:18.200 Here? 0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:22.080 Brian? It's such a deep position right now. It's kind 0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:25.120 of like the wide receiver thing. You know, you mentioned Jackson, 0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:28.560 and I know that my colleague here. We our young 0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:30.320 man out of Oregon. We kind of thought about it 0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:32.319 and he's an alpha. We kind of thought about him 0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:34.480 as maybe a third round guy. Now he's at the 0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:36.960 bottom of the first You know, there's this you know, 0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:40.280 a guy with length, sticky ability. That's what Mike Zimmer. 0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:42.839 Mike and I go way way back. I've worked with Mike. 0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:45.600 I know what Mike wants in a corner. He wants 0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:47.480 a guy that's got some length to him. He wants 0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:49.919 guys that are five to eleven or better. He's wants 0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:53.040 guys that are sticky, kind of man cover type ability, 0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:57.319 uh to that, you know, interchangeable safeties. There's a lot 0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:01.480 of things that Mike really really desires. But that corner back, 0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:03.680 the position of it is so deep, but there's so 0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:08.400 many different body types there. So to me, again, I 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:10.400 like what I U should do with the wide receiver 0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:12.200 because it's a little bit different. It's a little bit 0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:15.040 out outside the box. And I love Ricky Piersaw by 0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:17.960 the way, that's one of my favorite players. But to me, though, 0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:21.080 I think I could wait a little bit on the corner, 0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:24.800 you know, if I had to, Because when I'm stacking 0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:27.080 my board. I'm down. I've got two hundred and fifteen players. 0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:29.320 I'm at player one forty two. I can't tell you 0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:31.359 how many how hard it's been for me to kind 0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:34.200 of put these corners in spots because you want to 0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:36.520 give them their due, you know, you want to say, Okay, 0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:38.879 this guy's got this, this guy, and then you kind 0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:41.839 of clump them together. You're like, man, does that seem right? 0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:44.680 And you're going, yeah, that's so. I kind of feel 0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:47.640 like though, that in this draft, they're going to look 0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:51.040 at some other positions. Maybe the receivers are the same way, 0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:53.880 but the cornerback is something I feel like that they 0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:57.439 could look at through the whole draft and probably grab 0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.800 somebody they're really really happy with. That might be the 0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:00.960 ext ron Bland. 0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:03.759 I'm curious when you look at the fact that they 0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:05.480 don't have a fourth round pick right now. Let's say 0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:08.320 they stand in pick in the first three rounds and 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:11.560 so they don't pick again until the fifth round. Receiver corner, 0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:13.920 that's where everybody feels most comfortable that. 0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:15.279 You've got it. 0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:18.120 That maybe edge in the baby edge. 0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:20.680 So in the fifth round you say edge receiver corner, 0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:22.799 that that's a position you think you might be able 0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:24.680 to still have a fourth round graded player there when 0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:25.600 you pick in the fifth. 0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:28.960 Yeah, yeah, receiver, receiver, I think corner, yeah yeah, receiver, 0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:32.279 corner edge might be one of those guys that were 0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:34.880 one of those positions where you say, okay, if you 0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:36.759 had a fourth round pick and you're sleeping on your 0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:39.880 board going into day three, you might even have a 0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:41.759 third round grade on some of those guys. 0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:44.480 But when you get into that that that fifth round 0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:47.080 pick was at one seventy one, there might be a 0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:48.799 fourth round player still on your board. 0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:53.080 All right, do we have questions here for draft one 0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:54.520 on one? We'll open it up to questions. We have 0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:55.840 the mic right over here. If you want to go, 0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:58.680 step up, go ahead to introduce yourself, tell us your name, 0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:01.759 where you're from, and uh, we're here to answer whatever 0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:02.120 you got. 0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:09.400 Hello. My name's Aaron Thacker. 0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:10.840 I'm from Sherman, Texas. 0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:15.160 And my question would be, if you have like later 0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:18.800 round picks, like your fifth and sixth, would you possibly 0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:22.040 And again I don't know enough about like the compensation thing, 0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:24.480 so that's why I'm asking this, would you be able 0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:27.440 to use that to trade up to get that fourth 0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:30.359 round pick that you're missing, so that way you could 0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:33.440 do that, or would you have to like get give 0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:36.520 up next year's capital as well to do that. 0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:38.440 That's my question, thank y'all. 0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:40.759 What do you, Bobby, what do do you know, like 0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:43.719 trade char wise or pile? Do you have that up? Yeah, 0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:44.880 I've got the trade jar right here. 0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:47.800 So pick one seventy four is worth twenty two points 0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:50.279 ultimately to try and move up. And you've got a 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:52.960 couple picks after one seventy four, but that's the highest 0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:56.959 value pick outside of the top one hundred. The most 0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:00.200 you could move up from pick one seventy four, and 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:02.440 it's still be able if even if you package the 0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:05.080 rest of your draft, the earliest you would even get 0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:05.719 close to is. 0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:08.759 About pick one twenty. That's about all you've got, So it. 0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:11.960 Would most likely to your point, if you're going to 0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:14.800 move up at some point and try and finagle that 0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:17.680 fourth round pick back into your possession, you're gonna do 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:20.239 it using next year's draft capital, either a third or 0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:23.040 a fourth try and package maybe with one seventy four 0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:24.880 one of those other later picks in. 0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:26.440 Order to move up and try and get back in 0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:27.120 that fourth round. 0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:28.839 And I think there's an interesting point to make there 0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:31.440 as far as next year's draft capital is concerned, just 0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:34.440 because the one benefit to losing a million free agents, 0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:36.680 it says you might get a million compicks, so you 0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:38.640 might be able to package a couple of those next 0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:39.239 year with the. 0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:41.880 Expectations that Day three is going to be a blast. 0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:44.000 Now yeah here, oh man, Day three, we're gonna we're 0:38:44.360 --> 0:38:44.680 ten picks. 0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:45.359 It's gonna be great. 0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:48.120 When you when you look at the trading up and 0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:53.600 trading backs, the pick the picks from, Like if you 0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:56.200 go back to Tampa at twenty six, you would pick 0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:58.560 up their one twenty five, which is a fourth round pick, 0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:02.080 such a two spot move for four if you did 0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:04.480 a trade with the Arizona at twenty seven. So I'm 0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:07.359 just going down what we did this morning. You pick 0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:09.839 up pick one thirty eight and pick one sixty two 0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:12.600 from Arizona. Those are two fives. What we did this 0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.120 morning is we took those two fives and we tried 0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:18.879 to go up back up into the into the into 0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:22.560 the draft and then and had some options there we 0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:25.880 went to let's see where we went to there. We 0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:28.759 went from the after the Arizona trade, when we pick 0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:31.000 up the two fives, we took pick one thirty eight, 0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:34.279 one sixty two, one seventy four, which was our own 0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:37.800 all fifth round picks, and we tried to take that 0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:40.120 thing all the way to the chargers at one oh five. 0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:43.560 The chargers got two picks in the fourth So what 0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:45.480 you could do is you could take if you made 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:48.279 a deal with Arizona, if you made it do with Arizona, 0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.239 you could you can move those two fifth round picks 0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:53.600 with your own fifth round pick and move that thing 0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:55.400 all the way up to try and get into the 0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:57.880 the one oh five to one to ten range. So 0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:00.239 that's how you would get your four uh, if you 0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:02.319 wanted to do that, But it's gonna cost you your 0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:05.840 the the two picks you got, the two fifth round picks, 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:07.319 push your own fifth round pick. 0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:10.000 Yeah, I think that that's when you're talking about trying 0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:11.520 to get into the fourth round. If you want to 0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:14.480 go get into the fourth round. I don't know how 0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:15.960 much you are. Teams aren't going to let you in 0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:17.640 there all the time. Yeah, And I don't know how 0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:20.600 much you want to sacrifice to move up, Like I 0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:22.200 think it is gonna have to be an instance where 0:40:22.440 --> 0:40:24.320 you move back, because I mean, we're sitting here lamenting 0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:26.799 the loss of a fourth round pick and that could 0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:28.959 be a real value to them, and talking about giving 0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:30.880 up extra capital. I understand it's later day through, but 0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:33.200 you're talking about giving up extra capital or future capital. 0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:36.360 And at that point you're kind of chasing your tail 0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:38.520 trying to catch those picks back a little bit. And 0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:40.600 so to me, I think that if you're gonna get 0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:43.320 up into the fourth round, it's gotta be you're moving 0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:46.400 back somehow in the first or second and finding somebody 0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:47.919 who will give you that extra pick. 0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:51.160 BUTTERI you want to trade with this Kansas City. Kansas 0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:52.960 City and Buffalo are the two that I think are 0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:54.960 the most likely. Well, if they need a wide receiver, 0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:56.920 both teams need to go up and get a guy. 0:40:57.320 --> 0:40:59.440 It's funny because if you look at and the way 0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:04.880 in the NFL what we do is each each selection 0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:08.200 has a value of points, and when you start to 0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:10.760 trade with the teams behind you, if you make trades 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:14.759 would say Tampa Bay there, your total points would be 0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:17.680 four oh two. That's the highest you could get by 0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:20.240 just moving back two spots and picking up that fourth 0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:23.759 your point total goes to four oh two. Arizona's trade 0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:27.000 would be the next highest at four hundred. Buffalo's at 0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:30.720 four hundred, the Baltimore trade is at three ninety seven. 0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:34.279 San Francisco's trade is at three ninety and then but 0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:37.440 Kansas City's at four oh one. So if you were 0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:40.719 willing to go from twenty four to thirty two, you 0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:44.640 would get the best value for your trade is if 0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:47.000 you went all the way back to Kansas City and 0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:50.160 picked up there and picked up there there, because what 0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:53.680 they're offering you is offering you pick ninety five, which 0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:56.040 is a third round pick and pick one thirty three, 0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:58.919 which is a fourth So now you're doing some good 0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:01.719 right there. That would give you pick thirty two, pick 0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:05.279 fifty six, pick eighty seven, pick ninety five, pick one 0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:09.200 thirty one, pick one seventy four, pick two sixteen, pick 0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:12.600 two thirty three, pick two forty four. Now we're doing 0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:15.040 some damage here, you know. Now we're now we're making 0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:17.160 our team a little bit better. But do you have 0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:20.160 the stomach to go from twenty four to thirty two? 0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:22.560 That's what you have to That's what they're going to 0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:25.120 have to determine in this room, you know, and you 0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:28.200 don't want to trade. We we gave scenarios of guys 0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:31.600 that we would take at twenty four, and I think 0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:34.960 we're all committed to those guys. Yeah so or yeah, 0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:36.879 I think you're more open to that. That's what I'm saying. 0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:40.440 How committed are you when somebody like Kansas City calls 0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:43.759 you and offers you a third and a fourth to 0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:46.880 come down to their spot. You know that's that's that 0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:50.640 that tests your metal in that room, whether you're willing 0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:54.520 to trade away from a guy you really like to 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:56.200 pick up a couple extra picks. 0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:58.719 Martin Fatanu Fluaga. All those guys are off the board. 0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:00.759 You're sitting there at twenty four. Mems are still on 0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:02.920 the board, Latham is still on the board. You're getting 0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:04.279 on the phone and going to thirty two. Yeah, I'd 0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:06.200 probably be open to moving back. Probably what did you 0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:06.759 think there? 0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:08.920 I was just say, and I mean thirty two. If 0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:11.560 that's a drop, you're gonna have trouble stomaching, Brian. You 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:13.239 really don't want to drop to thirty six? 0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:13.960 I guess no. 0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:16.080 Nick was trying to talk me in today. But with 0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:19.439 that Commanders, it's it's an exact trade value chart match. 0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:21.359 If you go back to thirty six, you can get 0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:23.960 seventy eight from them, which they've got three picks in 0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:26.160 the third round. Yeah, I mean that's an exact point. 0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:27.719 Can match up if you want to. If you want 0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:29.520 to get let me tell you what I did. Let 0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:31.120 me tell you what we did today on the show. 0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:35.319 We took the Kansas City trade ninety five and one 0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:37.279 thirty one, and we shoved that thing up to the 0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:38.080 Vegas Raiders. 0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:39.520 Nick got seventy seven. 0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:40.719 Nick convinced us. 0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:44.120 Yeah, so see, you could take you could take the 0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:47.200 third round pick, that fourth round pick you get, and 0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:49.000 if you want to go to the Vegas Raiders at 0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:51.840 seventy seven and get back into this thing, or you 0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:55.279 want to take it to Washington at seventy eight, So 0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:58.880 you could do some things. You could get creative. You 0:43:58.960 --> 0:44:02.480 could even take trade you made with Baltimore and San 0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:05.080 Francisco and go into the second round if you want. 0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:08.400 Yeah, if that's the scenario, we can draft Ricky Piersoll, 0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:10.719 We can draft a wide receiver, if. 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:13.560 We can get some pace here and make it work. Yeah, 0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:15.759 you got to not get the anytime. 0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:18.520 We sneak Mickinley Jackson in there too, that's too much. 0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:22.920 You're asking too much here. It's a lot. Now you 0:44:23.080 --> 0:44:25.600 enjoyed the thunder all right? On next draft question, it's 0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:28.480 Chris from Wiley. I'm gonna go first direction here. 0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:31.719 Let's just say, you know, the Cowboys have been very 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:37.080 quiet this offseason. Let's just say they decide they want 0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:39.839 to get a little aggressive. And let's say all six 0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:43.359 quarterbacks that you know everybody's talking about. Let's say there's 0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:46.439 a run of quarterbacks in the first before the Cowboys draft. 0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:49.920 What player would you guys be We all know the 0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:52.520 Cowboys need as many draft picks as they can, but 0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:55.080 what player would you guys be comfortable for them to 0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:55.520 move up? 0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:01.560 Ms Fogga, Falton. 0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:03.440 Either one. 0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:08.160 Yeah, I think those would be the two names. Now 0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:11.319 it depends on I mean, you might need to move 0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:13.880 up and go get Barton if he's your guy. With 0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:16.040 with how this thing's looking, you guys, that wouldn't cost 0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:16.880 you nearly as much. 0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:18.839 You'd have to get up into the late teens as 0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:20.840 opposed to maybe top fifteen. 0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:22.120 But you're really going you never know. 0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:27.120 In Philadelphia has a contingency plan in place to play 0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:30.520 a center with Kelsey retiring, but you also have seen 0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:33.600 a history of your division rival with Dallas Goddard where 0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:36.040 Philadelphia'll say, yeah, we like this guy and we're gonna 0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:38.080 take him, just to stick it to the Cowboys. If 0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:41.359 the Eagles took Barton at twenty two, I might throw up, 0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:45.800 what about Steelers at twenty or another team? Right the 0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:47.200 Dolphins at nineteen? 0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:49.960 I will say, Graham Barton just sounds like a Pittsburgh 0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:52.920 Steelers name, Like I just it does sound like that. 0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:54.960 So he would look good in the yellow and black. 0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:57.880 He'd look better in blue and silver wood. But I 0:45:58.000 --> 0:45:59.640 agree with you. I think if you're going to go 0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:01.719 up and get a guy, it's gonna cost you a 0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:04.759 lot to go get the fuagas, to go get the fatanus. 0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:07.160 And as much as that sounds fun, if they're sliding 0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:09.560 in the late teens, let's let's play around with the idea. 0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:11.560 But go get a guy if you feel like it, 0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:13.799 and if you're wanting to be aggressive, go get them 0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:15.440 if if you have the capital to do so. 0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:17.680 I just don't necessarily think they have the capital to 0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:19.000 do so. I'll be. 0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:23.359 Like, I'm just I'm reverse to moving up. 0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:25.640 Well, But so the Cowboys, though, seem to be too. 0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:27.200 They haven't moved up since Moke label. 0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:29.319 That's why to me, like you're gonna have to get 0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:34.080 some I mean, you're gonna have to get a a 0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:37.480 Laramie tunsil problem or something and push like Joe Alt 0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:39.680 down the board like before I'm gonna go up. 0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:42.360 He's got the guess I want to say, you think it's. 0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:46.080 Something like like I mean Latham maybe, like I mean, 0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:49.000 I really there's I like, even these guys that I 0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:52.239 like Latham and Alton, stuff like tackle like likely will 0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:54.920 stretch quality down to you at twenty four? 0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:56.360 Is it enough that I want to go up and 0:46:56.400 --> 0:46:56.600 get it? 0:46:56.760 --> 0:46:59.000 But that's the thing that the guys around the league 0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:01.280 are talking about right now, is that all the offense 0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:03.359 when you're sitting there at twenty four, and we again 0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:06.080 talked about this on the Draft Show today, you're sitting 0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:08.480 at twenty four and all these offensive players are going 0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:11.400 off the board, where's the offensive player for me at 0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:14.160 twenty four? I mean, Dallas best player on the board 0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:17.320 might be a defensive player at twenty four or no, 0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:19.640 and not to say they would take him, but if 0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:24.840 you look at all these quarterbacks going, all these offensive 0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:28.759 tackles going, some of these wide receivers going, the best 0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:31.120 player on the board might be a defensive player for 0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:33.279 this team. Now will they take him? I'm not saying 0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:37.560 they will, but yeah, well there you go back. But 0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:39.440 there you go. I've been in a draft room with 0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:41.880 these guys and the phone hasn't run. Trust me. 0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:44.440 I dropped on my knees one time praying that the 0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:47.319 phone would ring. Please, yeah, please ring? This their video 0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:47.560 of this? 0:47:48.000 --> 0:47:50.239 What's that? Their video of that? I wish there was. 0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:54.400 But seriously, you the room, the room gets like deathly 0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:58.440 quiet and like you you're just you're praying. And because 0:47:58.520 --> 0:48:00.799 you've laid the groundwork with all these guys, I mean, 0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:03.319 you've talked all these teams and told them, hey, listen, 0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:06.319 we're open. Come on, come up to us. We'll trade you. Come. 0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:08.400 But you know, you look what happened in the in 0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:12.479 the draft with with with the Travis Frederick. They blew 0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:16.200 the hatch and bailed with eighteen picks down or eighteen 0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:19.319 thirty one. Yeah, and you know, sometimes you don't get 0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:21.399 the value on that. Should you've got a second round 0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:23.600 on that when second round, well they took a third. 0:48:24.080 --> 0:48:26.759 Sometimes when you blow the hatches like that, you don't 0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:28.439 get the value of your pick. 0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:31.040 How late would you be willing to go down what's 0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:34.080 the last the last pick you'd be willing to ditch 0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:35.040 out of the first thirty eight? 0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:36.880 Thirty eight is where thirty. 0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:39.719 Eight I was gonna say, Bobby. Scenario with thirty six 0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:42.759 is that the commanders. It is the commanders, Yes, Dan Quinn, 0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:47.160 and that would make me. That would make me nervous 0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:49.799 as well. But I think you can maybe cross your 0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:52.759 fingers and hope. Like Zach Fery, do you feel like 0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:54.879 you could get the BYU tackle at thirty six? 0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:57.359 Yes? Yeah, I think so too. I think so thank 0:48:57.400 --> 0:48:58.600 you'll be I don't know. 0:48:58.800 --> 0:49:01.200 I think if they're a run on tackles like you're 0:49:01.280 --> 0:49:04.120 talking about, I don't think Kingsley, Sua Matias last until 0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:04.640 thirty six. 0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:07.640 I think one of these three guys would be available, 0:49:07.840 --> 0:49:11.640 Sue Matia, Jordan Morgan, Tyler Guiden three would be available there. 0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:14.080 It depends on what they think Jordan Morgan is. Do 0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:15.360 they think is he a guard? 0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:19.200 And if so, if Tyler Smith playing tackle right, then 0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:21.680 Tyler plays tackle. And you feel good about Morgan at guard, 0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:23.839 you'll let bas and Hoffman I or maybe you take 0:49:23.880 --> 0:49:24.359 it center later. 0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:26.320 Maybe it's hund Nordals. I don't know if they take Morgan. 0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:29.400 I don't know if we're talking enough about him, because 0:49:29.560 --> 0:49:31.480 if he is viewed as a guard, it's the same 0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:35.960 scenario as an interior offensive lineman like Barton and Jackson and. 0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:39.440 The JC Latham conversation I had, I had, I had 0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:41.320 a scout in the league, not a cowboy scout, a 0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:43.600 scout in the league. I asked him about Latham. I said, 0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:46.759 do you think he could play left tackle? And he says, no, 0:49:47.000 --> 0:49:48.840 I don't. I think he's a right tackle. But I 0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:51.399 think he's an All Pro guard. He's made. That's That's 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:53.640 what I mean. That guy, this this guy that scouts 0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:55.920 the Southwest area for a team, and he says, I 0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:57.960 don't think he could play left tackle, but I bet 0:49:58.040 --> 0:49:58.919 she's an All Pro guard. 0:49:59.320 --> 0:50:01.960 I do want to ask, I mean, what do you 0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:05.239 want to come on? Okay, yeah, I do want to ask. 0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:08.600 You mentioned that we haven't mentioned Jordan Morgan that much. 0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:10.279 I feel like at the start of the draft he 0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:12.640 was everybody was talking about him. 0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:15.040 What was the What shifted? Was it the combine? 0:50:15.960 --> 0:50:18.919 I think for a lot of people length, the length 0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:21.239 is a little concerning to a lot of people. That's 0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:23.800 probably where you start to slot him in at guard instead. 0:50:23.880 --> 0:50:28.000 But for me, durable tons of experience forty plus games, yes, 0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:29.839 didn't allow a lot of sacks, really good and pass 0:50:29.840 --> 0:50:32.719 pro really good to run blocking. Does he do anything exceptional? 0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:35.080 Probably not, But I think he does everything pretty damn well. 0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:37.040 I think he's an all round type player that can 0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:38.480 play guard at the next level and be good at 0:50:38.520 --> 0:50:40.920 doing it. Look, I am team Tyler Tyler Smith at 0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:42.879 left guard, but if they were to draft Jordan Morgan, 0:50:42.920 --> 0:50:44.319 I think he'd be great at left guard and Tyler 0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:44.879 Smith left. 0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:46.160 And I would say this, I don't. 0:50:46.640 --> 0:50:49.440 I think most of the time, whenever there's a discussion 0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:52.040 of when we're trying to figure out, you know, what 0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:54.719 changed or other things like that, I think a lot 0:50:54.760 --> 0:50:58.000 of the times it's we catch up to where media 0:50:58.080 --> 0:51:01.640 scout teams are. I don't think teams have cooled on 0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:04.359 Jordan Morgan. I think teams have if he like I mean, 0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:05.560 if he goes to the second round. I think tams 0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:07.680 Alway viewed him in the second round, and there there 0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:09.560 was probably discussion that was putting him more up in 0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:11.800 the first that teams were like, no, we don't necessarily 0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:14.600 agree with that. So I think very rarely is there 0:51:14.680 --> 0:51:17.360 like a strong push for a guy like that or 0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:19.960 or a big change of opinion. I think a lot 0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:22.080 of times it's just we're catching up to where teams 0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:22.440 are aut with. 0:51:22.520 --> 0:51:24.880 I watched him block a lot two from UCLA, made 0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:27.960 him go to the other side, his adjustments, like, I've 0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:29.719 had enough of this guy killing me all day. I 0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:30.719 think I'm gonna go to the other side. 0:51:30.719 --> 0:51:32.200 He'll find a way to beat our guy standing on 0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:32.760 one foot. 0:51:32.800 --> 0:51:34.759 I mean, it's his balance is let me go to 0:51:34.920 --> 0:51:36.319 you with the freshman from Scottsdale. 0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:38.920 Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I'm gonna switch sides, all right, Yes, sir, 0:51:39.000 --> 0:51:39.640 what do you have for us? 0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:43.040 Hey, Allen from Joshua, Texas. I'm just saying I'm tired 0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:45.239 of our defense, the ball getting ran down their throat 0:51:45.280 --> 0:51:47.400 and the biggest games. I don't know if it's fixable 0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:50.239 in one draft, but or Zimmer is going to change things. 0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:51.279 But that's me, man. 0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:54.239 I know we need offensive tackle, but the defense and 0:51:54.280 --> 0:51:55.760 the run game, you know, the run defense. 0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:59.840 Yeah, sorry, we get it. We're here for you. 0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:05.160 I know you've Brian, You've made this assessment where I 0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:08.440 think we think a lot of the time stopping the 0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:11.440 run is okay. I need to get big bodies in 0:52:11.480 --> 0:52:14.160 the middle, and they do. They need to add size, 0:52:14.200 --> 0:52:16.440 and they thought they were doing so with Mosley safeties 0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:19.720 at Linebacker's tough, right, And I'm still hopeful that Mozzy 0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:22.279 ends up being a good player. You can't give up 0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:25.360 on a guy based on one year, don't It's just 0:52:26.000 --> 0:52:28.040 you took it out in the first round for a reason, right, 0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:29.120 So it. 0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:29.799 Didn't go well. 0:52:30.200 --> 0:52:31.960 You hope you're too He develops and he's got a 0:52:31.960 --> 0:52:34.600 guy in Mike Zimmer who certainly has done a great 0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:37.800 job developing defensive tackles throughout his career. But do you 0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:40.759 think that more of the issue? And Brian and then 0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:42.040 I want to get your thoughts Bobby, and we can 0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:44.160 kick it around. Is it that they are really that 0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:47.360 weak at defensive tackle? Is it more so the undersized 0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:49.600 linebackers or is it the constant issue they seem to 0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:51.800 always have as well with being able to set the 0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:52.719 edge consistently. 0:52:52.840 --> 0:52:55.720 Yeah, I think setting the edge is a big issue. 0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:57.759 I know we focus a lot on inside and what 0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:02.080 you know, Hankins and those guys were, but you know, Golston, 0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:03.759 I mean when I saw and I was working on 0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:06.359 the draft with Golston coming out of Iowa. I thought 0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:08.680 he was a Tank Lawrence type player when he would 0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:10.720 be able with the pass rush and then the ability 0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:12.640 to play the run. There were times in those Big 0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:15.040 Ten games you couldn't see the ball go outside of him. 0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:17.120 I feel sorry for the guy. They play him at tackle, 0:53:17.160 --> 0:53:18.640 they play him in, they play him and tackled in. 0:53:18.920 --> 0:53:21.320 It reminds me of Tyron Crawford. They can't find a 0:53:21.360 --> 0:53:22.880 spot for the guy, and all of a sudden, now 0:53:22.920 --> 0:53:25.200 you you know he's he's gone by the wayside, and 0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:27.080 you maybe waste a little bit of a guy there. 0:53:27.120 --> 0:53:29.799 But I think when you start to talk about the edge, 0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:32.200 you know they missed the guys like with the Layton 0:53:32.280 --> 0:53:34.239 vander Esher's and the Shawn Leaves, the guys that can 0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:37.360 run downhill, the guys that could fill the safeties that 0:53:37.440 --> 0:53:39.120 could fill they kind of figured out a little bit 0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:41.160 with digs. You know that you could run the ball 0:53:41.200 --> 0:53:43.520 on the outside there with digs, and with digs come 0:53:43.600 --> 0:53:46.400 up and play you and force the corner. You know, 0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:49.160 you need alley players, you need forced players, you need 0:53:49.320 --> 0:53:49.920 edge players. 0:53:50.440 --> 0:53:52.680 They were a little bit weak in all those areas, Bobby, 0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:55.920 one area that you fought for is safety. Do you 0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:58.840 think some of this can be remedied bot at Washington 0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:01.680 State kid? Yeah, Hicks Jayden Hicks Absolutely. I mean he's 0:54:01.719 --> 0:54:03.920 seeking Mitchell out there. Do you think some of this 0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:06.920 could be remedied more so since you're not into tackle 0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:09.720 when it comes to the second and third level, taking 0:54:09.800 --> 0:54:12.120 a linebacker, taking a safety. 0:54:13.000 --> 0:54:14.719 Yeah, So, I mean, I guess it comes down to 0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:20.960 when you see the Cowboys struggle and run defense, why, like, like, 0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:22.920 when you look at it, what is the issue? Like 0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:25.480 in years past, their issue was you know, during the 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:28.080 christ of Charter, they were always coached like how fast 0:54:28.160 --> 0:54:29.560 they needed to play and a lot of times they 0:54:29.600 --> 0:54:32.000 got caught and over pursuit they would leave these massive 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:34.360 angles where guys could cut back. That that was a 0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:36.360 problem that they were into at different times. Is this 0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:40.400 a talent problem? Is it a problem with you know 0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:42.880 guys in terms of their ability to read and react. 0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:44.799 Is it like you know, a size issue, like there 0:54:45.080 --> 0:54:46.799 there are these different things that you have to says, 0:54:46.880 --> 0:54:49.400 I don't think that when you look at how the 0:54:49.480 --> 0:54:53.080 Cowboys have addressed defensive tackle in recent years. Jonathan Hankins, 0:54:53.680 --> 0:54:56.680 Neville Gallimore, Quintin Bohanna, like, just different guys like this. 0:54:57.480 --> 0:55:00.239 That size hasn't always been the problem, like I mean, 0:55:00.280 --> 0:55:03.880 it's there are other problems with run fits and reeds 0:55:03.920 --> 0:55:05.080 and keys and everything else like that. 0:55:05.200 --> 0:55:08.680 So to me, I look at it and say, you 0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:10.640 need to get better. 0:55:10.880 --> 0:55:15.040 Obviously along the defensive line, linebackers, safeties like that, that's 0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:17.759 all stuff that that has to happen. To me, they 0:55:17.960 --> 0:55:20.480 are before they worry about depth or anything else, they 0:55:20.560 --> 0:55:23.040 have to figure out who is starting. So I'd love 0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:25.319 a safety that can, you know, like Jane Nicks, who 0:55:25.320 --> 0:55:27.000 can do what he does. I love Eddrian Cooper. I'd 0:55:27.040 --> 0:55:28.800 love to have him in here. Love to have a 0:55:28.920 --> 0:55:32.160 defensive tackle like McKinley Jackson if you have the capital 0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:32.800 to spend on that. 0:55:33.080 --> 0:55:33.959 What Yeah. 0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:36.279 And to me though, it's that the reason why I 0:55:36.360 --> 0:55:37.239 saw it the other way. 0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:39.600 If he just three hundred and sixty pounds not getting 0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:41.520 blocked and there's daring atch the four look at it, 0:55:41.560 --> 0:55:43.920 I'll look the other way. Just okay, just keep keep 0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:44.600 playing in there. 0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:48.880 Steven Stephen Jones said, you know, this week, maybe in 0:55:48.960 --> 0:55:51.320 last week, I can't remember, but Stephen Jones said that 0:55:52.120 --> 0:55:55.800 they are going to play Mazzie Smith more like what 0:55:55.920 --> 0:55:57.680 he was used to doing at Michigan. Yeah, and and 0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:00.480 so that right there, if you're gonna peck that out, 0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:02.560 you've already made the analysis of what type of a 0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:05.440 player he can be. You've got coaches that you believe in, 0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:08.640 and you want to have, you know, bring that out 0:56:08.680 --> 0:56:10.680 of him. And so to me, I think that if 0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:13.120 you're gonna set him somewhere, he's more comfortable and he 0:56:13.160 --> 0:56:16.200 gets here too, and the conditioning is better and everything else, 0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:18.840 I think that that's something that you have to be 0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:21.440 able to bank on, like of all the things they 0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:25.439 can't bank on, Like, I don't know why it would 0:56:25.440 --> 0:56:28.000 be a prioritization to say, well, I can't bank on 0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:30.920 my first rounder, but I can bank on the undrafted 0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:31.759 free agent center. 0:56:32.000 --> 0:56:33.920 No, you have to you have to bank on Mazie. 0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:37.240 And to me, that so for me, I recognize fixing 0:56:37.239 --> 0:56:38.719 the run defense in a lot of ways will have 0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:43.000 to come from fixing depth at all three levels. To me, 0:56:43.120 --> 0:56:45.719 the most immediate need to fix your run defense in 0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:49.600 terms of talent that you've assessed, you need a linebacker. 0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:51.239 Is there a linebacker that I would take in the 0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:55.120 first round. No, And so to me, it's the defensive 0:56:55.120 --> 0:56:57.400 side of the ball. Is not even really a question 0:56:57.600 --> 0:56:58.840 for me in the first round. 0:57:00.360 --> 0:57:02.760 To that or I think he said it perfectly because 0:57:02.920 --> 0:57:05.120 you hear about this all the time. Whenever it comes 0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:07.239 to building your offensive line, you build it from the 0:57:07.320 --> 0:57:09.080 inside out. You build it from center, and you go 0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:11.239 out to tackle, and you work that way from a 0:57:11.320 --> 0:57:13.879 roster building standpoint. Nate Newton says that all the time 0:57:13.920 --> 0:57:17.160 whenever we're talking about adding some roster stuff on the 0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:19.320 opposite side. You build from the front to the back. 0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:22.000 You build from your defensive line, you win in the trenches, 0:57:22.040 --> 0:57:23.760 then you add to the second level and you go 0:57:23.840 --> 0:57:27.440 to the backside. I don't think the Cowboys are horrific 0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:30.520 at safety. Now, is there room to improve? Absolutely, you 0:57:30.560 --> 0:57:33.640 can improve anywhere on that defense, especially against the run, 0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:36.280 like this gentleman was talking about a moment ago. If 0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:39.880 you're able to give some help to those linebackers at 0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:42.600 the second level, that's when I start building confidence in 0:57:42.680 --> 0:57:44.840 stopping the run. So I think a big defensive tackle 0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:47.320 can help. I think banking on Mazie and seeing him 0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:49.760 go back to what he did best at Michigan which 0:57:49.840 --> 0:57:51.840 was stop the run, clog up the middle, and not 0:57:52.000 --> 0:57:54.840 try this pass rush stuff that obviously didn't work as 0:57:54.840 --> 0:57:58.160 a rookie. I think Bobby's onto something here of building 0:57:58.200 --> 0:58:01.160 your team from the forward part to to the secondary 0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:02.959 and making it work from there strong up the middle. 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:04.680 Let me ask really quick, if Mazie Smith is not 0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:06.240 ready for the start of the season, or he gets 0:58:06.280 --> 0:58:08.200 hurt at some point in the season, who's your one tech. 0:58:09.320 --> 0:58:12.400 Carl Davis Carl Davis practice squad for most of the 0:58:12.480 --> 0:58:13.080 year last year. 0:58:13.240 --> 0:58:15.360 I mean, we've moved Chauncey back and forth of one 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:17.720 hundred times. You just throw him inside and see what happened. 0:58:17.720 --> 0:58:20.760 I would hope not they would put so he's put 0:58:20.840 --> 0:58:24.680 him back at his home edge rusher edge. I wanted 0:58:24.720 --> 0:58:29.000 to add really quickly. I wanted to add about you know, 0:58:29.120 --> 0:58:31.240 being able to set the edge. I do think it's 0:58:31.280 --> 0:58:33.080 going to be important for them to find an edge 0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:36.720 that is opposite of tank, that's disciplined, because we've just 0:58:36.760 --> 0:58:39.200 seen teams attack you there and have a lot of 0:58:39.280 --> 0:58:41.120 success there, and a lot of time when they when 0:58:41.160 --> 0:58:43.480 teams were running the ball on the Cowboys, it was 0:58:43.600 --> 0:58:46.480 bouncing to the outside. It wasn't just running up the interior, 0:58:46.840 --> 0:58:49.120 and with how teams are trying to attack those angles, 0:58:49.760 --> 0:58:51.480 it's going to become more of an issue. I've even 0:58:51.520 --> 0:58:54.880 talked about this draft is and the DM position as 0:58:54.920 --> 0:58:56.960 a whole is like it's really this or that with 0:58:57.080 --> 0:58:59.040 a lot of these guys. If you find an edge 0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:01.240 in the draft that's willing to rush the passer but 0:59:01.400 --> 0:59:03.760 also can stop the run at a high clip and 0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:06.560 really stay square and do it, then it's a luxury 0:59:06.600 --> 0:59:09.160 at this point. So edge is in need as well, 0:59:09.280 --> 0:59:11.920 A serious wonder that we probably should talk about a. 0:59:11.920 --> 0:59:12.400 Little bit more. 0:59:12.520 --> 0:59:13.680 Chop Robinson. 0:59:14.920 --> 0:59:19.160 To get off right. He does not want to shop Robinson. 0:59:19.800 --> 0:59:22.040 Shop Robinson will blow up the play and then he 0:59:22.080 --> 0:59:23.920 will not make the tackle or he will not finish 0:59:24.000 --> 0:59:26.520 the sack. But goodness gracious, the way he gets off 0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:27.800 the snap is insane. 0:59:27.880 --> 0:59:30.600 I think I'm done limiting Penn State linebackers or edge 0:59:30.640 --> 0:59:32.040 rushers coming out of college. 0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:36.480 I think I'm done waiting on that one. You know, 0:59:37.360 --> 0:59:40.040 this Michigan thing, we got a line developing here. 0:59:40.080 --> 0:59:45.080 I like this where we're going, all right, Zach Waldough, 0:59:45.600 --> 0:59:47.960 Oh it's up man, I'm glad you came. 0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:50.120 I appreciate it. Man, I'm bringing up a talk. We 0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:51.920 talked a lot about it in private. 0:59:52.480 --> 0:59:54.440 You know, I hate. 0:59:54.560 --> 0:59:58.080 Limiting Jordan Morgan to the interior. I was like, I've 0:59:58.120 --> 1:00:01.040 seen this guy with people that these other tackles haven't 1:00:01.040 --> 1:00:02.960 been able to whoop. I was like, I've seen Tyler 1:00:03.160 --> 1:00:05.320 guiding not being able to finish in the run game, 1:00:05.480 --> 1:00:07.280 consistently not playing. 1:00:07.040 --> 1:00:08.960 With leverage, even though I know he's a big dude. 1:00:09.080 --> 1:00:11.400 Sure, I was like, but you know, I've been against 1:00:11.880 --> 1:00:14.200 really tall tackles for a variety of reasons. That's one 1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:15.920 of the big reasons. I was like, this guy is 1:00:15.920 --> 1:00:18.040 the perfect size for the for the position. If a 1:00:18.080 --> 1:00:20.760 guy knows how to play with his hands, play with leverage, 1:00:20.800 --> 1:00:23.080 play with k me band, has the foot quickness, this 1:00:23.160 --> 1:00:26.200 guy could play tackle. But I go back to this 1:00:26.280 --> 1:00:28.760 team's done a lot of work with Jordan Morgan. I mean, 1:00:28.800 --> 1:00:30.280 we talked about it. I remember I brought it up 1:00:30.280 --> 1:00:32.440 to you in January. Sure, they asked him, was like, 1:00:32.480 --> 1:00:34.280 who's the team that you talked to the most throughout 1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:37.320 the bar says He named four teams, Arizona remember Arizona 1:00:37.360 --> 1:00:38.880 being one of them, but the Cowboys were one of them. 1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:40.400 He's like, they talked to me. We've talked a lot 1:00:40.480 --> 1:00:41.040 throughout the present. 1:00:41.080 --> 1:00:43.280 This was January. We go to the combine. 1:00:43.680 --> 1:00:45.640 Nick you had asked him about the Cowboys and he 1:00:46.320 --> 1:00:49.240 brought up the versatility of left tackle and right tackle, 1:00:49.440 --> 1:00:50.480 not necessarily guard. 1:00:50.920 --> 1:00:52.840 So I was like, we keep trying to limit him 1:00:52.880 --> 1:00:53.320 to the guard. 1:00:53.440 --> 1:00:56.520 And then they went to his pro day him Baltimore 1:00:56.520 --> 1:00:59.240 and the Jets spent a lot of time with him 1:00:59.320 --> 1:01:01.000 before all the work out. They have to stop the 1:01:01.080 --> 1:01:03.200 workout just because how much time they were spending with 1:01:03.320 --> 1:01:06.320 them pre pre all the other positional drills. That's just 1:01:06.400 --> 1:01:08.400 like for me, it was like I'm just banging that. 1:01:08.480 --> 1:01:10.880 This is me banging the table for sure, staying on 1:01:10.920 --> 1:01:15.200 the table. This guy can come in. He's gonna be 1:01:15.280 --> 1:01:16.720 a lot better than a lot of the guys are 1:01:16.760 --> 1:01:18.640 going to be drafted ahead of them, and I just 1:01:18.720 --> 1:01:20.400 have a sick fill and we're gonna pass on them, 1:01:20.760 --> 1:01:22.720 and he's gonna end up in Washington, who's doing. 1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:25.480 Their own homework on them, or San Francisco or San Francisco, 1:01:25.560 --> 1:01:27.160 and we're gonna watch him be a stud over there. 1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:28.200 That's my only thought there. 1:01:28.280 --> 1:01:30.520 No, I appreciate it. Well, but Brian, did he sell 1:01:30.520 --> 1:01:32.840 you anymore on Jordan Morgan? I know you were a 1:01:32.880 --> 1:01:34.240 fan of him early on as well. 1:01:34.480 --> 1:01:36.400 I appreciate him, by the way, I got lunch for 1:01:36.560 --> 1:01:39.800 you for that that speech you just made, right, Walda 1:01:39.880 --> 1:01:42.200 puts in the bark. Yeah, I do, I owe you 1:01:42.320 --> 1:01:44.440 for that one. No, I think I issue was right. 1:01:44.520 --> 1:01:46.520 We talked about this when the Draft show was rolling 1:01:46.640 --> 1:01:49.600 very early. Uh, this was a guy that Jordan Morgan was, 1:01:49.680 --> 1:01:51.400 you know, a guy that we watched very early. And 1:01:51.560 --> 1:01:54.120 I think you're right. There's a lot of qualities about 1:01:54.760 --> 1:01:56.880 but there's probably some things that you know, with Mike 1:01:57.000 --> 1:01:59.720 Salari the line coach, it's different with every line coach. 1:02:00.120 --> 1:02:02.520 You know, he has a certain type of way that 1:02:02.680 --> 1:02:06.120 he wants to play hands feet length. All these things 1:02:06.200 --> 1:02:09.400 are things that these offensive line coaches they go around, 1:02:09.480 --> 1:02:11.919 they kind of get their guys, and you know, Jordan 1:02:12.000 --> 1:02:15.840 Morgan might not fit exactly what they're looking for right 1:02:15.960 --> 1:02:18.640 now once they get them all together. I think he's 1:02:18.680 --> 1:02:20.000 a hell of a player and I think he made 1:02:20.040 --> 1:02:22.600 a great passionate speech. If we were in a war room, 1:02:22.640 --> 1:02:26.360 I would say you did your job today. He really did. Yeah. 1:02:26.400 --> 1:02:28.960 I mean I think Jordan Morgan is in play in 1:02:29.040 --> 1:02:31.360 a trade back scenario, and that would be a Tyler 1:02:31.440 --> 1:02:34.040 Smith that tackle Morgan at guard, and then you still 1:02:34.080 --> 1:02:36.680 got to figure out center. But I mean, Nick, you 1:02:36.720 --> 1:02:38.960 were boots on the ground there at the combine. Did 1:02:39.000 --> 1:02:41.000 you get a vibe from Jordan Morgan a little twinkle 1:02:41.040 --> 1:02:42.520 in his eye when the Cowboys came up? 1:02:42.920 --> 1:02:43.080 Yeah. 1:02:43.280 --> 1:02:45.320 I think it's like most teams, it's kind of tough 1:02:45.320 --> 1:02:47.360 to tell at the combine because they're doing thirty two 1:02:47.800 --> 1:02:51.360 job interviews and some guys can't even decipher one from 1:02:51.400 --> 1:02:53.800 the other. But I think with Jordan Morgan, not only 1:02:53.880 --> 1:02:55.560 did they do homework on him at the Combine, they 1:02:55.600 --> 1:02:58.480 did it at the Senior Bowl, so they understand this guy. 1:02:58.720 --> 1:03:00.880 They understand what he can bring to the table. I 1:03:01.000 --> 1:03:03.040 think it's uh. I think it's an expectation of you 1:03:03.160 --> 1:03:05.120 know what you're getting whenever he arrives in the building, 1:03:05.360 --> 1:03:08.000 And that is different than if you get an Amarusmims 1:03:08.160 --> 1:03:10.240 or if you get a Tyler Guidon. You don't quite 1:03:10.320 --> 1:03:12.760 know exactly what you're getting from those guys. But also 1:03:12.840 --> 1:03:15.560 at the same on the same token, you asked yourself, Okay, 1:03:15.640 --> 1:03:17.600 what does this player look like? In four years from 1:03:17.640 --> 1:03:19.800 now when I'm thinking about this fifth year option, is 1:03:20.080 --> 1:03:22.360 a Tyler Guiden or a Marius Smims going to develop 1:03:22.400 --> 1:03:25.320 at a trajectory that puts them way above Jordan Morgan 1:03:25.360 --> 1:03:27.040 by that time. You also have to be able to 1:03:27.240 --> 1:03:29.440 be comfortable not only your scouting but your development in 1:03:29.480 --> 1:03:30.080 that same sense. 1:03:30.640 --> 1:03:33.680 I also, and look, I think Jordan Morgan's a good player. 1:03:34.600 --> 1:03:38.200 I think that, you know, I think he can absolutely 1:03:38.240 --> 1:03:41.760 play tackle. But I think the idea of saying that 1:03:42.080 --> 1:03:44.360 if teams were to say he's primarily a guard, I 1:03:44.560 --> 1:03:46.480 don't think, especially in today's NFL, where so much of 1:03:46.520 --> 1:03:48.680 it is get the ball out quickly and a gap 1:03:48.720 --> 1:03:50.880 pressure is such a big deal. I don't know that 1:03:51.480 --> 1:03:53.919 talking about somebody's at their guard that that teams would 1:03:53.920 --> 1:03:54.840 think of that as limiting. 1:03:55.080 --> 1:03:56.560 Yeah, I don't think it's a negative anything. 1:03:56.640 --> 1:03:59.600 I think that teams view that as that's a valuable 1:03:59.640 --> 1:04:01.280 part of the offensive line and it's part of an 1:04:01.440 --> 1:04:03.480 entire unit that they're trying to build. I also think 1:04:03.520 --> 1:04:07.600 that it's important to when we hear the discussions that 1:04:08.000 --> 1:04:09.800 the Cowboys have when it's like, hey, they talked to 1:04:09.840 --> 1:04:11.600 him here, they talk to him here, they talk to 1:04:11.680 --> 1:04:13.840 him here. Yes, a lot of times that can indicate 1:04:14.080 --> 1:04:16.640 they really like him. Also at other times it can 1:04:16.720 --> 1:04:19.440 indicate we have to figure him out because we're not 1:04:19.520 --> 1:04:22.600 comfortable with things. Sure, And so I think that whenever 1:04:22.640 --> 1:04:24.560 you see that, it can mean one or the other. 1:04:24.960 --> 1:04:27.280 It doesn't have to mean that they're not comfortable things. 1:04:27.280 --> 1:04:28.480 It doesn't have to mean that they're in love with them. 1:04:28.480 --> 1:04:30.480 But I think that when you see a lot of 1:04:30.560 --> 1:04:33.520 attention paid to a player a lot of different meetings, 1:04:33.720 --> 1:04:35.680 I think a lot of times they're saying to themselves, 1:04:35.800 --> 1:04:38.760 we need to get answers here that maybe we're not 1:04:38.920 --> 1:04:39.840 comfortable with yet. 1:04:40.720 --> 1:04:42.919 And I mean you can even look whenever we put 1:04:42.960 --> 1:04:46.560 together this Dallas Cowboys Draft guide, which is beautiful and 1:04:46.600 --> 1:04:48.479 you should all get it, we tend to put guys 1:04:48.560 --> 1:04:51.320 on the front that we have a feeling that could 1:04:51.400 --> 1:04:53.600 be the pick or just has name value. 1:04:53.840 --> 1:04:55.720 He's on the front because he fits the mold. 1:04:55.840 --> 1:04:57.720 He's on the front of the magazine because he has 1:04:57.720 --> 1:04:59.840 an opportunity to go to the next level and have 1:05:00.080 --> 1:05:01.800 some success. And that was about a month and a 1:05:01.840 --> 1:05:04.720 half prior to where we sit now, a week ahead 1:05:04.760 --> 1:05:05.320 from the draft. 1:05:05.440 --> 1:05:08.160 So there's been thought about Jordan Morgan, and if. 1:05:08.000 --> 1:05:10.680 They do pass on him, to Bobby's point, it's because 1:05:10.680 --> 1:05:12.720 they have a reason, They have something that popped up 1:05:12.760 --> 1:05:15.320 through the process, or they just have another prospect that 1:05:15.360 --> 1:05:17.200 they had higher on their board and they didn't window 1:05:17.320 --> 1:05:19.680 dress it. He could fit you a need the same 1:05:19.720 --> 1:05:22.920 way that Graham Barton could, the same way that a J. C. 1:05:23.080 --> 1:05:25.320 Latham could or some of these other guys. It fills 1:05:25.360 --> 1:05:27.520 a need, but it depends on where the value is 1:05:27.560 --> 1:05:29.479 with the players around him and who's on the board 1:05:29.520 --> 1:05:29.960 at that time. 1:05:30.160 --> 1:05:32.160 No question, I usul, do you do you want to 1:05:32.440 --> 1:05:34.800 bounce for your guy Jordan Morgan? Or or do you 1:05:34.880 --> 1:05:35.920 kind of agree with where we're going? 1:05:36.120 --> 1:05:37.480 You guys, have you sailed it? 1:05:38.120 --> 1:05:41.240 He don't care about nothing you talking about. 1:05:41.640 --> 1:05:42.040 I love it. 1:05:42.280 --> 1:05:43.040 He's gonna feel a. 1:05:43.000 --> 1:05:45.840 Way that's good team trade back as well. I would 1:05:45.840 --> 1:05:46.760 assume Jordan, let's go. 1:05:47.520 --> 1:05:48.560 I know you do all right? 1:05:49.160 --> 1:05:52.320 Oh my gosh, all right, Ron, you need to keep 1:05:52.400 --> 1:05:55.160 this kosher, bro Honey to make sure no f bombs 1:05:55.200 --> 1:05:56.760 here their children at home. 1:05:56.840 --> 1:05:59.160 I was gonna say, broad Us is probably worried about 1:05:59.160 --> 1:05:59.840 what's about to come out. 1:06:00.000 --> 1:06:01.760 I'm out, we all are. But I have a filter. 1:06:03.360 --> 1:06:06.320 Everybody's got a notes app. This is impressive. Do you 1:06:06.480 --> 1:06:06.960 think this. 1:06:07.040 --> 1:06:11.040 Year's draft could be more about next year's draft after 1:06:11.200 --> 1:06:13.560 McCarthy and maybe Dak are both gone? 1:06:15.160 --> 1:06:16.680 I mean it's it's real talk. 1:06:17.800 --> 1:06:20.560 What if Jerry goes with Dion and his son next year, 1:06:21.400 --> 1:06:25.240 or if you can draft up and take Pendix. 1:06:24.920 --> 1:06:26.120 Junior this year? 1:06:26.720 --> 1:06:27.240 What do you do? 1:06:27.640 --> 1:06:30.120 And remember if you're not hanging out with JORDI ran 1:06:30.200 --> 1:06:32.440 drinking Jim Bean on one A five three of the fan? 1:06:32.840 --> 1:06:34.520 Where are you at? S A guy? 1:06:34.560 --> 1:06:36.680 We love you, Ron, thank you so much. Yes, run 1:06:36.760 --> 1:06:39.439 of a plus a run he nails it every every 1:06:39.480 --> 1:06:40.280 Friday at five twenty? 1:06:40.320 --> 1:06:40.800 What' you're drinking? 1:06:40.840 --> 1:06:45.360 What you're thinking? Aisha? How do we feel about Ron's question? 1:06:45.400 --> 1:06:47.720 I mean you immediately went and buried your head behind 1:06:47.720 --> 1:06:49.520 you and notebook. 1:06:50.840 --> 1:06:54.360 No, I don't have a I don't have a lot 1:06:54.440 --> 1:06:55.040 to say about. 1:06:55.880 --> 1:06:59.960 I will say, I'll say this, I'll say I'll speak up, 1:07:00.160 --> 1:07:00.880 I'll speak up here. 1:07:02.400 --> 1:07:02.520 Uh. 1:07:03.520 --> 1:07:05.720 This is a This is unusual in a lot of 1:07:05.800 --> 1:07:10.320 different ways for scouts and for coaches, because you do 1:07:10.560 --> 1:07:13.640 have coaches that are on one year deals, and you 1:07:13.720 --> 1:07:16.040 have a head coach that's on a one year deal 1:07:16.320 --> 1:07:20.000 or he's so. Now you're in a situation where, uh, 1:07:20.800 --> 1:07:24.440 you're you're wondering as a as a player personnel department, 1:07:25.320 --> 1:07:27.360 we just we got to put this board together for 1:07:27.480 --> 1:07:30.720 who we think the best players are. Whether you know, 1:07:30.960 --> 1:07:33.600 the coaches have input. I worked here for a long time. 1:07:33.760 --> 1:07:37.440 Coach has always had input here, always maybe at times 1:07:37.640 --> 1:07:40.840 too much. You know, I never called a third down defense, 1:07:41.320 --> 1:07:43.680 you know, but they would come into my area and 1:07:43.760 --> 1:07:45.400 tell me why this guy could play or this guy 1:07:45.440 --> 1:07:47.880 couldn't play. So I think they're in a very very 1:07:47.960 --> 1:07:52.480 unusual situation. I think will Jerry Steven have to manage 1:07:52.560 --> 1:07:55.880 this in a way that their board is put together 1:07:56.000 --> 1:07:58.840 the truest board that they could put together for how 1:07:58.920 --> 1:08:01.920 this team is going to be this season and the 1:08:01.960 --> 1:08:04.560 into the future. Yes, you could think about you know 1:08:04.640 --> 1:08:06.840 that you could ask the coaches, hey, what would you 1:08:07.520 --> 1:08:09.680 how would you like us to draft this board? You know, 1:08:09.720 --> 1:08:12.240 if you have a little bit of more stability to that, 1:08:12.400 --> 1:08:14.080 if you've had some continuity. They had a lot of 1:08:14.120 --> 1:08:17.799 continuity with Jason Garrett for ten years. Scouts knew exactly 1:08:17.880 --> 1:08:20.000 what they were doing when they were looking for players 1:08:20.040 --> 1:08:23.400 for that staff. So to me, it is a little 1:08:23.439 --> 1:08:26.880 bit of a tightrope that you walk, but you also 1:08:27.040 --> 1:08:30.280 have to say you know and I know again Mike Zimmer. 1:08:30.360 --> 1:08:33.640 My relationship with Mike Mike is a hey, I like 1:08:33.760 --> 1:08:36.560 this kind of a player, but bring me whoever you 1:08:36.640 --> 1:08:39.760 want to bring me. And I think that's the attitude 1:08:40.320 --> 1:08:42.640 that you have to have going into this as a 1:08:42.840 --> 1:08:45.720 personnel department. You got to put the board to put 1:08:45.760 --> 1:08:48.560 the board together the best you can and play it 1:08:48.720 --> 1:08:52.040 in a way that is best for today and then 1:08:52.120 --> 1:08:54.840 for tomorrow, regardless of who's coaching this football team. 1:08:54.840 --> 1:08:57.320 I think some thought to what you were asking there, 1:08:57.360 --> 1:09:00.600 Ron and Bobby, I wonder your thoughts on this with 1:09:00.880 --> 1:09:03.640 the fact that yes, it is kind of Hey, you 1:09:03.720 --> 1:09:06.479 don't have a lot of future right now locked up 1:09:06.520 --> 1:09:09.280 with your staff. What do we talk about trading up 1:09:09.640 --> 1:09:13.280 or your players? We talk about moving picks for next year? 1:09:14.160 --> 1:09:16.960 Are you more open to do that because I might 1:09:17.080 --> 1:09:19.439 not be here next year? What do I care about 1:09:19.479 --> 1:09:20.000 those picks for? 1:09:20.920 --> 1:09:23.559 Yeah? Look, I mean I think that the front office 1:09:23.560 --> 1:09:26.160 ain't going anywhere, the front office, but the coach. 1:09:26.360 --> 1:09:28.720 But but Mike McCarthy might be like, hey, no, no, 1:09:28.880 --> 1:09:31.000 but I want this guy. No, No, don't sell me 1:09:31.080 --> 1:09:32.560 on next year's raft. You know, I don't know that 1:09:32.600 --> 1:09:33.160 I got a job. 1:09:33.280 --> 1:09:35.040 If I was Mike McCarthy, I would have been to 1:09:35.120 --> 1:09:39.200 Will mcclay's office every single day going what are we 1:09:39.240 --> 1:09:41.720 doing in free agency? Why can't we go get what 1:09:41.800 --> 1:09:43.639 are we doing? Explain to me what's going on here? 1:09:44.040 --> 1:09:47.320 You know, Mike McCarthy took the approach I believe of Okay, 1:09:47.560 --> 1:09:49.920 I trust you, guys, Mike McCarthy. You got to remember 1:09:50.000 --> 1:09:52.160 I came from the same program he did in Green Bay. 1:09:52.920 --> 1:09:56.200 Mike McCarthy did not He just by way of it, 1:09:56.320 --> 1:09:58.880 head coach coaches don't have it, didn't have a whole 1:09:58.920 --> 1:10:01.840 lot to say the player. The players were drafted by 1:10:01.840 --> 1:10:03.360 the front office. The coaches at a hell of a 1:10:03.439 --> 1:10:06.280 job at coaching. You know, there was some interaction stuff 1:10:06.360 --> 1:10:09.160 like that. Mike is getting the first opportunity. I mean, 1:10:09.200 --> 1:10:11.320 this is what it's fifth draft now, fourth draft that 1:10:11.439 --> 1:10:13.960 we've had here with him. This is the first rule 1:10:14.000 --> 1:10:18.360 opportunity he's ever had of going in and Jerry Jones, 1:10:18.400 --> 1:10:20.840 Stephen Jones looking at him and going what do you 1:10:20.920 --> 1:10:23.400 think here? And then he have an opinion Because in 1:10:23.479 --> 1:10:27.519 Green Bay Ted Thompson would draft the players, So you know, 1:10:27.680 --> 1:10:30.479 that's that's really different for him. But to me, I 1:10:30.600 --> 1:10:32.840 still think that they're going to have a say, but 1:10:33.000 --> 1:10:35.160 you have to be mindful of that, you know, you 1:10:35.280 --> 1:10:37.759 have to be mindful is this guy the best player 1:10:38.160 --> 1:10:40.560 for what we're trying to do right now? You know, 1:10:40.800 --> 1:10:42.920 And that's and that's how you have to approach it. 1:10:43.040 --> 1:10:45.920 I think the defensive coach might. I think Zimmer is 1:10:45.960 --> 1:10:48.760 gonna have some input, but maybe not as much as 1:10:48.880 --> 1:10:49.320 dan Quinn. 1:10:49.479 --> 1:10:51.479 Dan Quinn had a ton of it, because lots of it. 1:10:51.640 --> 1:10:53.880 There were plenty of times we would just be like, oh, 1:10:53.960 --> 1:10:56.599 that's a dan Quinn guy. Sure, definitely a dan Quinn guy. 1:10:56.960 --> 1:10:59.800 David Eddie is too, So I wonder if that comes 1:10:59.840 --> 1:11:02.040 in play as well, with Mike McCarthy having a little 1:11:02.040 --> 1:11:04.719 bit more say with that gentleman out of the building 1:11:04.800 --> 1:11:05.439 now and over. 1:11:06.160 --> 1:11:09.799 Yeah, I don't I disagree. 1:11:09.840 --> 1:11:13.200 I think dan Quinn and Mike Zimmer and the way 1:11:13.320 --> 1:11:16.800 the Cowboys have generally built their personnel staff and the 1:11:16.840 --> 1:11:19.519 way that their personnel staff interacts with their coaching staff, 1:11:19.640 --> 1:11:23.800 and the way that they gather information and you know, 1:11:24.080 --> 1:11:25.480 have open lines of communications. 1:11:25.479 --> 1:11:26.680 Say what do you like? 1:11:26.880 --> 1:11:28.160 You know, what are the kind of things that you 1:11:28.240 --> 1:11:30.479 look for in players. All Right, now we know what 1:11:30.760 --> 1:11:33.240 you like, we're gonna go find it for you. Now 1:11:33.360 --> 1:11:35.040 we're gonna make the evaluation. But you tell them what 1:11:35.120 --> 1:11:36.479 you like, I'm gonna go out there and find it. 1:11:36.920 --> 1:11:40.320 And in terms of looking ahead to next year, the 1:11:40.400 --> 1:11:45.360 Cowboys have had uncertainty with their coaching staff just about 1:11:45.360 --> 1:11:48.880 every single year. It's just with different reasons. You gotta remember, 1:11:48.880 --> 1:11:51.000 they've spent three straight drafts with Dan Quinn thinking this 1:11:51.040 --> 1:11:53.080 could be dan Quinn's last year here. This could be 1:11:53.360 --> 1:11:55.880 Dirty's last year here, this could be Joe Witt, Al Harris, 1:11:55.920 --> 1:11:57.960 whoever else like these could all be their last year here. 1:11:58.280 --> 1:12:00.719 And yet they still routinely go back and go, so, okay, 1:12:01.040 --> 1:12:02.600 dan Quinn, you might be gone next year, but you 1:12:02.720 --> 1:12:05.320 really like Eric Scott, and Eric Scott really fixed a 1:12:05.400 --> 1:12:06.000 lot of what you want. 1:12:06.080 --> 1:12:07.439 Let's go get him, you know. 1:12:07.760 --> 1:12:10.519 They they had a decent sense that they thought, you know, 1:12:10.640 --> 1:12:13.640 Rod Marrionelli twenty nineteen, this might be the end for you, 1:12:13.880 --> 1:12:16.759 and yet they still you like Tristan Hill, that's the type. 1:12:16.560 --> 1:12:17.080 Of player you like. 1:12:17.400 --> 1:12:22.720 So routinely they have shown a history of we are 1:12:22.840 --> 1:12:26.479 focused on what we know right now we cannot get. 1:12:26.479 --> 1:12:28.280 You know, it's control what you can control, which is 1:12:28.360 --> 1:12:31.920 a you know, mantra that's talked about in NFL rooms 1:12:31.920 --> 1:12:34.720 everywhere outside of Dallas, like Dallas and everywhere else talks 1:12:34.720 --> 1:12:38.639 about that. And what they can control is their lines 1:12:38.680 --> 1:12:42.160 of information, their lines of communication with their coaching staff, 1:12:42.200 --> 1:12:44.240 and that coaching staff they have now they can't project 1:12:44.320 --> 1:12:46.760 out and say, well, let me guess who is the 1:12:46.800 --> 1:12:49.760 next defensive coordinator and what they're gonna think or whatever else. 1:12:49.840 --> 1:12:53.920 And so I think Zimmer, even here, you know, just 1:12:54.120 --> 1:12:57.439 year one and everything else, I think one hundred percent 1:12:57.560 --> 1:12:59.599 equally will have the same voice that Quinn does. 1:12:59.720 --> 1:13:01.720 See, I'm right there with you because whenever you look 1:13:01.800 --> 1:13:05.320 at the way that this contract is one year deal left, 1:13:05.360 --> 1:13:07.880 it's easy to look at him and say, Mike McCarthy's 1:13:07.960 --> 1:13:09.320 going to be here down the road, or he's not 1:13:09.360 --> 1:13:10.880 going to be here down the road, depending on what 1:13:11.040 --> 1:13:14.320 happens in twenty twenty four. It's a year to year 1:13:14.439 --> 1:13:18.000 league anyways, that's the NFL. We've seen coaches fired after 1:13:18.200 --> 1:13:21.840 sixteen games. We've seen coaches fired after sixteen years. I mean, 1:13:21.880 --> 1:13:23.800 look at Bell Belichick. No longer the coach with the 1:13:23.840 --> 1:13:25.760 New England. That's because he couldn't draft at the end, 1:13:26.280 --> 1:13:29.000 which is fair, but that's part of it. He's one 1:13:29.040 --> 1:13:31.080 of the greatest coaches of all times. Tom Landry has 1:13:31.080 --> 1:13:33.439 had the same problem here. He's won six Super Bowls. 1:13:33.600 --> 1:13:36.120 It's a year to year league in the NFL. If 1:13:36.200 --> 1:13:38.200 you is a what have you done for me lately? 1:13:38.600 --> 1:13:40.360 And that's the thing is if they go into it. 1:13:40.439 --> 1:13:42.840 I think the only time that this possibly plays a 1:13:42.920 --> 1:13:46.120 factor is if it's one player versus the other who's 1:13:46.160 --> 1:13:49.200 going to play more now as opposed to down the road. 1:13:49.240 --> 1:13:51.400 I think it might come into those conversations. 1:13:51.680 --> 1:13:53.519 But whatever it comes to the building the board and 1:13:53.600 --> 1:13:55.880 putting these names on top of another, I don't think 1:13:55.920 --> 1:13:57.679 a lot changes depending on the coaching stat. 1:13:57.520 --> 1:13:59.280 I'll tell you what, if they draft anything other than 1:13:59.360 --> 1:14:01.920 offensive line, and with that first pick they are drafting 1:14:01.960 --> 1:14:03.639 for the future, they are not drafting for this season. 1:14:03.920 --> 1:14:06.160 That's not happened Spicy form, Nick Harris. 1:14:06.760 --> 1:14:08.599 I'm with you, though, I mean, I like what you're 1:14:08.600 --> 1:14:10.360 saying there, Bobby, and I do think that that might 1:14:10.400 --> 1:14:12.400 be one of the things the Cowboys do best with 1:14:12.520 --> 1:14:15.599 Will McLay and his scouts going to position coaches, going 1:14:15.680 --> 1:14:18.080 to the coordinators and saying, hey, give me a description. 1:14:18.120 --> 1:14:19.519 What are you looking for? What do you like? And 1:14:19.640 --> 1:14:21.559 they come back and they're able to build their board 1:14:21.640 --> 1:14:25.120 that way. Just real quick. I'm sorry, I'll get Yeah, 1:14:25.720 --> 1:14:29.439 you brought up about Michael Pennix. Nobody benefited more from 1:14:29.479 --> 1:14:31.839 a falling quarterback in the first round than Mike McCarthy 1:14:32.280 --> 1:14:36.360 with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers, nobody benefited more. Now I'm 1:14:36.400 --> 1:14:40.000 saying that Salmon Green, Hey, that's drafted quarterback. Teddy Thompson 1:14:40.160 --> 1:14:42.479 had no intention of taking a quarterback when he took 1:14:42.880 --> 1:14:45.600 Aaron Rodgers. He was taking a defensive lineman. And that 1:14:45.760 --> 1:14:48.160 just shows you Sometimes it's like, you know, you step 1:14:48.280 --> 1:14:51.240 up and you say, we can't pass on this guy. 1:14:51.600 --> 1:14:53.400 There's a lot of things going on. There's a lot 1:14:53.520 --> 1:14:56.400 of balls in the air in this organization about your quarterback. 1:14:56.520 --> 1:15:00.519 If Michael Pennix Junior is there at twenty four of hands, 1:15:01.760 --> 1:15:03.080 who's considering drafting him? 1:15:03.640 --> 1:15:04.400 Can you hold him? 1:15:04.520 --> 1:15:07.080 You already took your quarterback in this draft with Trey Lance. 1:15:07.120 --> 1:15:09.720 Did you horth round pick? Cause Penix you have to be. 1:15:11.479 --> 1:15:11.879 Quarterback. 1:15:11.920 --> 1:15:13.519 He's got that special about him. Now, and I'm not 1:15:13.600 --> 1:15:16.760 saying that Dak Prescott. Maybe he is the quarterback of 1:15:16.760 --> 1:15:18.080 the future here and they're sold on him, and I 1:15:18.240 --> 1:15:20.439 all right, that's fine. So I don't think that they'd 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:22.360 really consider that, because I do think that's how they feel. 1:15:22.400 --> 1:15:24.360 If they had not traded for Trey Lance. I would 1:15:24.400 --> 1:15:26.680 go with you on this one. I'm with you, and 1:15:26.760 --> 1:15:28.479 I like Trey. I mean, I'm longing to see what 1:15:28.560 --> 1:15:30.160 you have with they had they had a second round, 1:15:30.200 --> 1:15:32.720 a high second round grade on Trey Lance. That's on 1:15:32.800 --> 1:15:35.160 their board. There's probably twenty I have twenty two names. 1:15:35.200 --> 1:15:37.080 He may be his player twenty who's better for you? 1:15:37.479 --> 1:15:40.479 Between Penix or Lance? I had Lance higher. He had 1:15:40.560 --> 1:15:43.360 Lance higher. So you're absolutely not considering that. Then, well no, 1:15:43.760 --> 1:15:46.160 I'm not. But I mean, like to me, but if 1:15:46.240 --> 1:15:50.040 you're looking at the situation and you're in your quarterback's 1:15:50.080 --> 1:15:51.880 not signed, I think you absolutely have to look at 1:15:51.920 --> 1:15:52.160 a court. 1:15:52.240 --> 1:15:53.960 Yeah, I think you've got to have that conversation. Yeah, 1:15:54.000 --> 1:15:55.760 I think guys, you guys want to know something. I'd 1:15:55.800 --> 1:15:57.519 literally just looked this up. I was curious. 1:15:58.160 --> 1:16:02.439 Trey Lance is one younger than Michael Pennock. 1:16:02.920 --> 1:16:05.720 You're going to jail Yeah, you have to tell was 1:16:05.760 --> 1:16:06.280 born older. 1:16:06.360 --> 1:16:09.519 Quarterback Trey Lance was born on May ninth, two thousand 1:16:10.000 --> 1:16:12.840 and Michael Pennox Junior was May eighth of two thousand and. 1:16:12.840 --> 1:16:14.000 Bobby, you don't have to raise your hand. I know 1:16:14.040 --> 1:16:14.840 how you feel about that. 1:16:15.640 --> 1:16:15.760 Uh. 1:16:15.920 --> 1:16:18.960 But that's a trade back scenario of Pennix is there? 1:16:19.000 --> 1:16:21.360 I think that might be a great scenario for the Cowboys. 1:16:21.400 --> 1:16:23.439 I don't think it's a scenario at all. Sorry, No, 1:16:23.640 --> 1:16:25.720 to trade back for another team wanting to move up? 1:16:25.760 --> 1:16:26.320 Get a phone right? 1:16:26.400 --> 1:16:26.559 Yeah? 1:16:26.600 --> 1:16:29.120 Oh I thought you said trade back to draft Michael. 1:16:29.400 --> 1:16:31.800 It's great if the Cowboys. Yeah, is on the board. 1:16:32.600 --> 1:16:33.679 Do you get a call from a team? 1:16:34.160 --> 1:16:34.360 Yeah? 1:16:34.360 --> 1:16:37.200 And I would say, just to Brian's point talking about 1:16:37.280 --> 1:16:39.960 the the Aaron Rodgers fault, which Stint Rodgers went twenty four, 1:16:40.000 --> 1:16:42.040 didn't he Yeah, So, I mean it's the same spot 1:16:42.800 --> 1:16:45.800 the the the comp to that for me. 1:16:45.960 --> 1:16:48.559 Would be Drake May falls to twenty four. 1:16:48.600 --> 1:16:50.680 You're talking about a guy who, like Rogers Smith, they 1:16:50.680 --> 1:16:53.080 were like right there as number one pick. Pennix is 1:16:53.200 --> 1:16:55.479 already a guy who you're talking about might be in 1:16:55.600 --> 1:16:57.160 that range is where he's supposed to go. 1:16:57.640 --> 1:17:00.200 And you know, he's He's very impressive. I love him. 1:17:00.200 --> 1:17:01.360 He's my third rank quarterback. 1:17:02.720 --> 1:17:04.479 There's still the question that you have to ask about 1:17:04.640 --> 1:17:06.559 his medicals as well, because I mean, the guy has 1:17:06.800 --> 1:17:08.480 has had a lot of knee issue. 1:17:08.200 --> 1:17:10.360 He has throughout his career. Yeah he has. What do 1:17:10.439 --> 1:17:10.920 we got next? 1:17:11.080 --> 1:17:11.200 Up? 1:17:12.720 --> 1:17:13.560 What's up? What's that? 1:17:14.240 --> 1:17:15.280 Jacob from Killer? 1:17:15.360 --> 1:17:19.559 What's up? Jacob? Okay? So Cooper the. 1:17:19.680 --> 1:17:24.759 Best Iowa prospect draft since Kaitlyn Clark, or like Newton, 1:17:24.920 --> 1:17:27.120 well done, thank you, thank you? Or Newton is on 1:17:27.200 --> 1:17:33.120 the board and that gets Washington to call, or Thomas 1:17:33.280 --> 1:17:38.679 is there the wide receiver that gets Carolina to call. 1:17:39.040 --> 1:17:41.040 I think that's a team that we haven't talked about 1:17:41.120 --> 1:17:41.840 yet to draft up. 1:17:41.960 --> 1:17:43.800 Okay, I don't know. I don't. 1:17:44.760 --> 1:17:47.439 I wouldn't trust Deontay Johnson to leave my wide receiver 1:17:47.600 --> 1:17:49.160 room in Adam Thielen. 1:17:49.200 --> 1:17:51.920 I don't know. So, uh they're there. 1:17:52.080 --> 1:17:55.240 Would you take the defensive tackle, take an offensive lineman, 1:17:55.360 --> 1:17:57.360 or would you try and trade back with one of 1:17:57.400 --> 1:17:58.360 those teams that's calling you? 1:17:59.560 --> 1:18:01.760 Depends on what offensive linemen are on the board. But 1:18:02.200 --> 1:18:05.599 let's assume Barton and Fatanu they're off the board. I'm 1:18:05.720 --> 1:18:08.800 engaging in that call for sure. I think, especially with 1:18:08.880 --> 1:18:12.639 the it's Caroline and Washington you did. I think, especially 1:18:12.680 --> 1:18:15.400 with the receiver conversation, there's a lot of receiver needy 1:18:15.439 --> 1:18:16.800 teams from about twenty. 1:18:16.560 --> 1:18:19.240 Eight to thirty eight, and you can get a team 1:18:19.280 --> 1:18:19.719 to overpay. 1:18:20.160 --> 1:18:21.400 I think you can get a team to overpay and 1:18:21.479 --> 1:18:22.840 jump up to twenty four to go ahead and grab 1:18:22.880 --> 1:18:25.719 a Brian Thomas junor or an Xavier Worthy or something 1:18:25.880 --> 1:18:26.919 something to that sense. 1:18:28.280 --> 1:18:30.400 Any of those players that you would, uh. I mean, 1:18:30.760 --> 1:18:33.640 if Barton's not there, I'm certainly open to moving back. 1:18:33.800 --> 1:18:35.680 I like Newton. I don't think we've talked a lot 1:18:35.720 --> 1:18:36.240 about Newton. 1:18:36.280 --> 1:18:39.880 I think Newton you probably don't take considering to your 1:18:39.920 --> 1:18:42.280 point with Mazzi, but Aisha, I mean, tell us a 1:18:42.320 --> 1:18:43.759 little bit about Newton from Illinois. 1:18:44.160 --> 1:18:44.320 Man. 1:18:44.920 --> 1:18:46.280 That's what I was about to say, though, is like 1:18:46.600 --> 1:18:48.360 the reason why he's not getting no love like that 1:18:48.439 --> 1:18:51.640 is because Byron Murphy has just taking all of it consistently. 1:18:51.920 --> 1:18:54.560 But if you look at just how disruptive he is 1:18:54.680 --> 1:18:57.040 off the line of scrimmage. I noticed him last year 1:18:57.439 --> 1:18:59.200 when we were looking at the draft. Who's the guy 1:18:59.280 --> 1:19:02.000 that got picked up from Illinois last year? Brown Yeah, 1:19:02.360 --> 1:19:06.360 it was actually quite a and I noticed him last 1:19:06.400 --> 1:19:07.760 year and he just flies off. 1:19:07.880 --> 1:19:11.120 He just flies up field, strong, heavy hands. 1:19:11.920 --> 1:19:13.600 The thing about it is, like we've talked about it 1:19:13.680 --> 1:19:16.000 on the show, is like, yeah, but he's a three 1:19:16.080 --> 1:19:18.559 tech technically, you know, or he's one of those guys 1:19:18.680 --> 1:19:22.200 and the nose tackle position is something that is I 1:19:22.240 --> 1:19:24.240 don't know, it's just hard to come across. So it's 1:19:24.320 --> 1:19:26.960 like I wouldn't take him just because he's a three tech, 1:19:27.080 --> 1:19:29.200 like we talked about. I have seen Byron Murphy do 1:19:29.320 --> 1:19:32.280 some one tech things. I haven't seen Newton have to 1:19:32.360 --> 1:19:34.120 do that as much, So that would make me a 1:19:34.120 --> 1:19:37.040 little bit more hesitant. But him as a pass rusher 1:19:37.240 --> 1:19:39.320 is he's he's going to cause some problems. 1:19:39.640 --> 1:19:40.800 This guy's a load to deal with. 1:19:40.960 --> 1:19:41.679 Yeah, he's a problem. 1:19:41.800 --> 1:19:44.679 He has a problem because you see him split double teams. Yeah, 1:19:44.840 --> 1:19:46.360 you know, you see a guy play with power for 1:19:46.479 --> 1:19:48.400 his size, his movements. He's a little bit of a 1:19:48.479 --> 1:19:51.400 shorter guy, but he's explosive and they try and double 1:19:51.439 --> 1:19:53.000 team him. The next thing, you know, it's a tackle 1:19:53.040 --> 1:19:56.040 for the loss. He we we we really haven't given 1:19:56.160 --> 1:19:59.479 him the do that he deserves. There. I think there 1:19:59.520 --> 1:20:02.760 is some verse statility this guy, you know, because they, 1:20:02.960 --> 1:20:04.320 like I said, they trying to get him in the 1:20:04.400 --> 1:20:06.479 running game. He's able to beat blocks at the point 1:20:06.479 --> 1:20:08.920 of attack, when he's past Russ stuff, He's able to 1:20:08.960 --> 1:20:11.120 get up the field. He could be disruptive in the pocket. 1:20:11.560 --> 1:20:14.920 So yeah, Johnny Newton, Illinois, That's that's a guy someone 1:20:15.160 --> 1:20:16.800 we're gonna be talking about it on the one of 1:20:16.840 --> 1:20:18.360 the nights and when of the afternoons in the draft, 1:20:18.439 --> 1:20:20.400 and like he gets picked and we're gonna go, that's 1:20:20.400 --> 1:20:22.200 a Dan Webber takes and that's a good patch. 1:20:22.400 --> 1:20:24.320 Murphy are closer than what peeped up. 1:20:24.400 --> 1:20:27.400 I agree. I don't think some people might have Newton ahead. 1:20:27.520 --> 1:20:31.760 I agree, I agree, Yes, sir, Hello Sean former U 1:20:31.840 --> 1:20:35.280 and t Eagle. Oh there we go CA last year 1:20:35.320 --> 1:20:37.560 down to South Texas. This year, drove up from Portlanwaka 1:20:37.600 --> 1:20:38.160 to see you guys. 1:20:38.400 --> 1:20:43.840 Oh, let's so much Calhoun uh San Crab Oh okay, okay, yeah, 1:20:43.880 --> 1:20:44.680 there we go, there we go. 1:20:45.320 --> 1:20:47.880 What's okay? 1:20:47.960 --> 1:20:50.640 The first round tackle conversation all had earlier with a 1:20:50.800 --> 1:20:55.320 mimes gotten and a subemtia. What is a conversation in 1:20:55.400 --> 1:20:57.479 the room with these guys if they don't feel comfortable 1:20:57.600 --> 1:21:00.880 out of camp. If Mims are gotten can start week one. 1:21:01.600 --> 1:21:04.519 Uh at Sumatilla has guardflex being six or five as 1:21:04.560 --> 1:21:06.160 opposed to six to eight. For the two guys who 1:21:06.200 --> 1:21:08.720 may like some leverage on the inside, you could let 1:21:08.760 --> 1:21:10.280 the winner take all at left tackle and the other 1:21:10.320 --> 1:21:11.360 guy kicks into left guards. 1:21:13.520 --> 1:21:16.679 Bobby, Yeah, I mean I think that if. 1:21:18.280 --> 1:21:20.360 I think that if they were to take one of 1:21:20.439 --> 1:21:25.479 those guys, they're doing it with the idea that we're 1:21:25.520 --> 1:21:27.519 gonna be ready to go. We're gonna have these guys 1:21:27.840 --> 1:21:29.800 ready to roll with us at the start of the season. 1:21:29.840 --> 1:21:33.599 So I don't think necessarily they'd be picking based on, well, 1:21:33.640 --> 1:21:35.960 what if they're not ready, Like, I don't think it 1:21:36.000 --> 1:21:38.280 would be with that in mind. Uh And I though 1:21:38.360 --> 1:21:42.000 if they were to take mems Geiton Suamatia, if they 1:21:42.040 --> 1:21:44.560 were to take one of those guys, I think that 1:21:44.840 --> 1:21:48.559 if they didn't end up playing right away, it would 1:21:48.640 --> 1:21:51.960 be because they had already determined when they picked them 1:21:52.439 --> 1:21:54.000 what they were gonna do with their offensive line, and 1:21:54.040 --> 1:21:58.000 that they determined it would be Tyler Smith, TJ. Bass, Brock, Kauffman, 1:21:58.120 --> 1:21:59.680 and that that was the plan they were gonna have. 1:21:59.720 --> 1:22:01.599 You got I remember there was there was a lot 1:22:01.680 --> 1:22:04.920 of discussion in training camp before Tyron Smith got hurt. 1:22:05.240 --> 1:22:07.360 There's a lot of people wondering, Tyler Smith is still 1:22:07.400 --> 1:22:09.400 not getting first team reps as a rookie. He was 1:22:09.479 --> 1:22:11.679 not He wasn't getting the reps at guard. Yeah, Tyron 1:22:11.720 --> 1:22:14.000 Smith was getting attack. It was only after Tyron Smith 1:22:14.040 --> 1:22:17.280 got hurt that they went ahead and put Tyler Smith 1:22:17.320 --> 1:22:20.240 in there regularly. So they had drafted Tyler Smith seemingly 1:22:20.320 --> 1:22:22.599 comfortable with the idea that he may not even start 1:22:22.640 --> 1:22:26.080 this year. So I think that if they were to 1:22:26.120 --> 1:22:28.680 make that decision of you're not starting right away, I 1:22:28.800 --> 1:22:30.640 don't know that they necessarily think about it from the 1:22:31.320 --> 1:22:33.360 angle of well, what can we get out of him 1:22:33.400 --> 1:22:33.600 right now? 1:22:33.680 --> 1:22:34.639 What can we do right now? 1:22:35.200 --> 1:22:37.960 And so I think that either they're drafting somebody for 1:22:38.160 --> 1:22:40.000 what they can be in the future and looking ahead 1:22:40.040 --> 1:22:42.960 to their depth and potential holes into the future, or 1:22:43.880 --> 1:22:45.640 you know, they're drafting them with a specific idea of 1:22:45.680 --> 1:22:47.479 mind if you're playing right now and you're playing here 1:22:48.520 --> 1:22:52.400 and yeah, look suamatya, I mean they I think the 1:22:52.520 --> 1:22:53.240 fact that he's shown he. 1:22:53.240 --> 1:22:54.439 Can play left and right. 1:22:55.000 --> 1:22:57.599 Zach Martin talked about this with Tyler Smith that if 1:22:57.640 --> 1:23:00.639 you can flip sides, that's a much more differ transition 1:23:00.720 --> 1:23:03.479 then bumping inside because a lot of the footwork on 1:23:03.560 --> 1:23:06.000 the run blocking is exactly the same, So that doesn't 1:23:06.040 --> 1:23:08.200 really have anything that you got to change up, and 1:23:08.320 --> 1:23:11.600 so it kind of cuts in half what you have 1:23:11.720 --> 1:23:15.120 to learn. So I mean, if they believe that Suamatia 1:23:15.160 --> 1:23:17.559 could do that, then I think they would well. 1:23:17.640 --> 1:23:19.760 And it depends on what you have with Matt will 1:23:19.800 --> 1:23:22.080 Let's Go and Awesome Richards as well. These are two 1:23:22.160 --> 1:23:24.439 drafted players in the past that you have to see 1:23:24.479 --> 1:23:26.800 something out of if you want to see him at 1:23:26.840 --> 1:23:29.360 that point. Now, do you expect Awesome Richards and Matt 1:23:29.360 --> 1:23:31.880 will Let's Go to magically be healthy and magically be 1:23:32.080 --> 1:23:34.120 ready to start going into the year? 1:23:34.200 --> 1:23:35.160 No, absolutely not. 1:23:35.240 --> 1:23:37.519 And I think if you're drafting an offensive lineman in 1:23:37.560 --> 1:23:40.080 the first round, you expect him to be over those 1:23:40.120 --> 1:23:40.639 two guys. 1:23:40.720 --> 1:23:42.160 But who knows, if they. 1:23:42.240 --> 1:23:44.000 Come back and they're healthy and you're able to roll 1:23:44.040 --> 1:23:45.680 in the right direction, I think there's a way that 1:23:46.040 --> 1:23:47.479 you could see some back and forth. 1:23:47.520 --> 1:23:50.960 Initially, Yeah, I think in Brian, I know we've talked 1:23:50.960 --> 1:23:54.000 about this on the fan because early on I was 1:23:54.120 --> 1:23:58.160 arguing with Gavin about this where they that we were 1:23:58.200 --> 1:24:02.000 talking about, Okay, if Tyre and we're here right, well, 1:24:02.080 --> 1:24:04.519 Tyrone's not, he's a New York Jet. But when you're 1:24:04.600 --> 1:24:06.920 drafting in the first round, you're drafting a player that 1:24:07.040 --> 1:24:09.760 you hope is a five year member of your team 1:24:09.800 --> 1:24:12.360 and that you get a second contract on, you're not 1:24:12.600 --> 1:24:15.400 necessarily saying, yeah, I've got a massive need right here, 1:24:15.560 --> 1:24:17.120 so I need to pull the trigger on the X 1:24:17.240 --> 1:24:19.800 player because he fills a need and can plug and play. Now, 1:24:19.840 --> 1:24:22.559 you're drafting the best player that's gonna be the best 1:24:22.560 --> 1:24:24.599 fit for your team over the course of those five years, 1:24:25.040 --> 1:24:28.960 and I do think that Sue Mattia would probably be 1:24:29.200 --> 1:24:32.360 a great option because of the position flexibility. To that point, 1:24:32.840 --> 1:24:35.040 even if it got it's frustrating to the fan base. 1:24:35.240 --> 1:24:37.720 You want to see your first round pick play immediately. 1:24:38.120 --> 1:24:39.640 If he's not ready, they're not going to put him 1:24:39.680 --> 1:24:41.519 out there, and they've got some other options, but it 1:24:41.560 --> 1:24:45.000 doesn't change the fact that most likely that guy's playing 1:24:45.040 --> 1:24:48.080 and giving you snaps. Because we've seen how difficult it 1:24:48.240 --> 1:24:50.879 is to make it seventeen games with a healthy offensive 1:24:50.920 --> 1:24:53.880 line throughout the entire season. You need that depth. So 1:24:54.000 --> 1:24:56.400 eventually that guy will be a starter, hopefully is day one. 1:24:56.680 --> 1:24:58.760 If he's not, he's going to give you playing time. 1:24:58.800 --> 1:25:00.679 And it doesn't mean that it's a bad for Trump pick. 1:25:01.000 --> 1:25:02.920 Yeah, cheu media DOGA or a first round pick there 1:25:04.360 --> 1:25:04.680 I think. 1:25:05.080 --> 1:25:07.040 I think I think with with the first round pick, 1:25:07.040 --> 1:25:08.640 you have to have the expectation that he's coming in 1:25:08.680 --> 1:25:11.000 to give snaps. You have to have that expectation that 1:25:11.080 --> 1:25:12.280 there's there's nothing else about it. 1:25:12.320 --> 1:25:13.120 And then that's why. 1:25:15.560 --> 1:25:16.719 I can't stand you sometimes. 1:25:16.760 --> 1:25:18.160 That's why I have a little bit of pause when 1:25:18.200 --> 1:25:20.080 it comes to the Tyler guidance of the Amarus mems. 1:25:20.120 --> 1:25:22.800 But I will keep that to yourself next time. 1:25:24.240 --> 1:25:27.320 I just you're gonna blame me too, because I feel 1:25:27.360 --> 1:25:27.880 the same way. 1:25:28.360 --> 1:25:30.920 I don't think I'm going come on, come on, bandwagon, 1:25:30.960 --> 1:25:31.599 join the bandwagon. 1:25:31.640 --> 1:25:35.639 Got blame you think you have that luxury with where 1:25:35.720 --> 1:25:38.680 you are contractually with your quarterback and all this other 1:25:38.720 --> 1:25:41.920 stuff going on. And then also to you just this 1:25:42.080 --> 1:25:45.400 team's aerial attack was its strength last year and I 1:25:45.560 --> 1:25:48.360 just think that if you were talking about left tackle, 1:25:48.520 --> 1:25:50.920 I don't want to play around with that at all. 1:25:51.439 --> 1:25:53.840 And also too. I just think you need contributors right away. 1:25:53.920 --> 1:25:56.600 With how last year's draft went, I don't think I 1:25:56.640 --> 1:25:58.599 think you need to count on those first three guys 1:25:58.920 --> 1:25:59.679 giving you something. 1:26:00.479 --> 1:26:02.839 Do you if they if they were to take Kingsley 1:26:02.880 --> 1:26:05.720 so much? Do you not think he plays, Oh, I'm 1:26:05.720 --> 1:26:06.479 gonna be happy time. 1:26:06.840 --> 1:26:07.479 I think he earns that. 1:26:07.720 --> 1:26:09.560 But is it a disappointment if he's not ready to 1:26:09.640 --> 1:26:11.240 go day one? Yes? 1:26:11.320 --> 1:26:14.840 Yes, okay, especially hey listen, I would I don't know 1:26:14.880 --> 1:26:17.240 about other humans. I don't know about other teams, but 1:26:17.439 --> 1:26:20.080 this team has people outside. Like we talk about how 1:26:20.160 --> 1:26:23.120 much offensive line is just a continued developmental thing. They 1:26:23.160 --> 1:26:25.519 have a guy that comes around here often called Duke, 1:26:25.640 --> 1:26:27.320 and he gets a lot of these guys. He's a 1:26:27.439 --> 1:26:31.200 luxury go as opposed to some of these other offensive linemens, 1:26:31.240 --> 1:26:33.720 so he'll get the work he needs. I just you 1:26:33.840 --> 1:26:36.120 can't you need You need stability there right away to me, 1:26:36.479 --> 1:26:37.360 real quickly, just. 1:26:37.400 --> 1:26:38.360 To see how consistent. 1:26:38.800 --> 1:26:42.799 Would you categorize Mazzie Smith as a disappointment this past year. 1:26:43.240 --> 1:26:45.280 Because you didn't play right away? Correct, That's not the 1:26:45.360 --> 1:26:47.720 reason he's not a disappointment, but his play on the 1:26:47.800 --> 1:26:49.040 field was disappointing. 1:26:49.120 --> 1:26:51.040 But if you draft a guy in the first round, 1:26:51.080 --> 1:26:53.879 you draft an offensive lineman, you expect him to play initially, 1:26:53.880 --> 1:26:57.320 and when he plays well and gives you taped thing 1:26:57.360 --> 1:26:59.800 what Mazzie showed me, it's not a disappointment because he 1:26:59.800 --> 1:27:02.559 didn't start Week one because you had a guy ready 1:27:02.560 --> 1:27:03.719 to rock in Jonathan Hankins. 1:27:03.880 --> 1:27:06.400 But were you not excited about the possibility of Mozzie Smith? 1:27:06.680 --> 1:27:08.840 Did you think Mazzie Smith was going to start? Because yeah, 1:27:08.920 --> 1:27:10.400 Jonathan Hankins, I agree with you. 1:27:10.520 --> 1:27:12.080 I agree with you there, but that's when you factor 1:27:12.160 --> 1:27:13.800 in that offensive tackle was so much more valuable than 1:27:13.800 --> 1:27:14.360 defensive tackle. 1:27:14.880 --> 1:27:16.920 Whereas he when he would needed to be called upon. 1:27:16.960 --> 1:27:19.200 Whenever Jonathan Hankins went down, he wasn't ready to fill 1:27:19.280 --> 1:27:20.840 that role, right and whereas. 1:27:20.600 --> 1:27:22.880 Now if this scenario happened, he wasn't ready to fill 1:27:22.960 --> 1:27:24.160 that role, then I'd be upset. 1:27:24.320 --> 1:27:24.479 Yeah. 1:27:24.560 --> 1:27:27.360 Absolutely, But I think the differences last year you weren't 1:27:27.400 --> 1:27:29.760 necessarily drafting for need. This time you are a lot 1:27:29.880 --> 1:27:31.840 more so. And I think whenever you're drafted for that 1:27:31.920 --> 1:27:33.559 need at there at twenty four, you got to get 1:27:33.560 --> 1:27:34.720 an offensive lineman that can come in. 1:27:34.800 --> 1:27:36.000 I know, we got to get to this question. I 1:27:36.040 --> 1:27:37.800 think they did draft Mazzie for need. I think we 1:27:37.880 --> 1:27:38.320 heard yeah. 1:27:38.320 --> 1:27:40.200 I mean that there was a need obviously, but it's 1:27:40.240 --> 1:27:41.400 not as big of a need as you're looking at 1:27:41.520 --> 1:27:43.400 right now at twenty four because you look, you look 1:27:43.400 --> 1:27:45.000 at all the free agents that have left this offseason. 1:27:45.040 --> 1:27:47.000 Oh yes, last offseason, they have to nail the draft. 1:27:47.080 --> 1:27:49.639 We were talking about either defensive tackle or offensive line 1:27:49.760 --> 1:27:52.880 at twenty four right up until the end, whereas this 1:27:52.960 --> 1:27:54.800 time around, we've been talking about offensive line since the 1:27:54.880 --> 1:27:56.680 season ended against Green Bay's like, well, you gotta go 1:27:56.680 --> 1:27:58.280 get an offensive linean at twenty four and like the 1:27:58.360 --> 1:28:00.320 Audish and Tyrone Smith weren't even out the build yet. 1:28:00.360 --> 1:28:02.560 I hear what you say, if, but to me, it 1:28:02.600 --> 1:28:04.320 doesn't matter what position you take. If it doesn't start 1:28:04.400 --> 1:28:05.680 day one, I don't think it's a It means it's 1:28:05.680 --> 1:28:06.880 a bust of a pick. I just want to be 1:28:06.960 --> 1:28:08.960 able to contribute at some point and eventually be a starter. 1:28:09.439 --> 1:28:11.160 We're not talking about a bust of a pick here, though, 1:28:11.200 --> 1:28:13.599 We're talking about a disappointment, disappointment regardless. 1:28:13.680 --> 1:28:14.400 Yeah, that's the difference. 1:28:14.479 --> 1:28:17.439 I haven't given up on Mazie either, but disappointing give 1:28:17.640 --> 1:28:18.760 day yes or year one yes? 1:28:19.040 --> 1:28:19.080 What? 1:28:19.160 --> 1:28:20.920 I don't think it was usually didn't start week one 1:28:21.280 --> 1:28:25.040 for me? God, what I would say question Eric from 1:28:25.080 --> 1:28:25.559 Fort Worth. 1:28:26.439 --> 1:28:28.960 I know that over the cop overthcap dot Com has 1:28:29.040 --> 1:28:31.920 us for three fifth rounders a sixth rounder for next 1:28:32.000 --> 1:28:33.040 year for the comp picks. 1:28:33.479 --> 1:28:36.560 One of those I know is Tyron Smith based on 1:28:36.640 --> 1:28:37.639 his playing incentives? 1:28:37.680 --> 1:28:39.600 Can that move from a fifth to a four to 1:28:39.760 --> 1:28:41.840 a third based on you know, if he's hitting those 1:28:41.960 --> 1:28:45.800 game incentives? And then with that, because we have four 1:28:45.920 --> 1:28:48.720 comp picks for twenty twenty five, do you'll see us 1:28:48.760 --> 1:28:52.559 maybe using potential picks twenty twenty five to hit positions 1:28:52.560 --> 1:28:55.080 of need middle rounds because we have so many holes. 1:28:55.760 --> 1:28:58.720 You can actually trade those two, which is cool. Yeah. Yeah, 1:28:58.760 --> 1:29:00.400 it opens up a lot of options for you. Yeah, 1:29:00.479 --> 1:29:03.320 it opens with a lot of options. The part about 1:29:03.360 --> 1:29:07.880 the guy at the playtime turns into where he's a 1:29:08.000 --> 1:29:11.080 starter and all that stuff like that? Does that I 1:29:11.120 --> 1:29:12.800 don't know how that works on that well. 1:29:13.920 --> 1:29:16.439 I mean a lot of it's hard to understand because 1:29:16.479 --> 1:29:20.240 it's a it's not a public FRA secret. It's it's 1:29:20.280 --> 1:29:22.080 not a public formula. I mean, there are parameters that 1:29:22.200 --> 1:29:24.680 are issued in the CBA that you can read, you 1:29:24.720 --> 1:29:29.160 can see generally how they factor it in, but they 1:29:29.200 --> 1:29:31.240 don't give you specific formula of how they come up 1:29:31.280 --> 1:29:33.840 with it. That's why teams sometimes maybe expecting, oh, we're 1:29:33.840 --> 1:29:35.160 going to get a fourth throw on comp for that guy, 1:29:35.200 --> 1:29:37.479 and then they find out it's a fifth and so 1:29:38.360 --> 1:29:42.960 it's not anything that they would that specifically wouldn't be 1:29:43.400 --> 1:29:45.160 like that sort of a specific isn't something that would 1:29:45.160 --> 1:29:49.080 be public. I remember reading though, right after that the 1:29:49.520 --> 1:29:51.960 assumption was based on history of the way you see 1:29:51.960 --> 1:29:55.280 another deals play out, that they don't hit the incent 1:29:55.439 --> 1:29:57.439 like it's it's got to be whatever the straight read 1:29:57.479 --> 1:30:00.800 of the contract is initially rather than potent sentence. But again, 1:30:00.880 --> 1:30:03.679 that's very murky and there's not a lot of great 1:30:03.800 --> 1:30:04.600 understanding on that. 1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:08.519 And they've done that before where they've moved picks. I mean, 1:30:08.640 --> 1:30:10.960 Eric Scott Junior is a great example from this past year. 1:30:11.160 --> 1:30:12.960 They knew they were going to get a fifth or 1:30:12.960 --> 1:30:15.679 a sixth compick at some point in this upcoming draft, 1:30:16.000 --> 1:30:18.000 so they moved to pick along to go and get 1:30:18.040 --> 1:30:20.400 a guy to go and get Eric Scott Junior. And 1:30:20.880 --> 1:30:23.400 that's possible. It goes back to the initial question that 1:30:23.439 --> 1:30:26.320 I think we had right at the beginning, where it's 1:30:26.520 --> 1:30:29.840 depending on the value. Next year's picks are not value 1:30:30.000 --> 1:30:32.280 very high on the trade chart per se. But if 1:30:32.320 --> 1:30:34.360 you can package a couple of them together, then maybe 1:30:34.400 --> 1:30:35.960 you're able to make some moves and go up and 1:30:36.000 --> 1:30:38.280 get somebody that you really think is not going to 1:30:38.320 --> 1:30:40.000 be there whenever your selection rules around. 1:30:40.320 --> 1:30:43.559 Awesome questions. I mean, we could talk draft all night long. 1:30:43.720 --> 1:30:45.960 This has been an absolute last year for Draft one 1:30:46.040 --> 1:30:48.080 oh one. Shout out to Miller White as well for 1:30:48.160 --> 1:30:51.160 sponsoring this. Appreciate everybody who's watched on the Twitch and 1:30:51.240 --> 1:30:53.280 the YouTube on a one oh five to three the fan, 1:30:53.479 --> 1:30:55.400 We love you. Thank you to everybody that came out here, 1:30:55.760 --> 1:30:59.000 whether you asked the questioning, Thank you you're all. Dallascoveries 1:30:59.000 --> 1:31:01.360 dot Com too big. 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