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Speaker 2: But team.
Speaker 3: I mean, as we're a week out pick twenty four,
Speaker 3: if we got to kick it around the horn, what's
Speaker 3: the dream pick right now?
Speaker 2: Today? I think you guys know who mine is. Who
Speaker 2: is it? Graham Barton? That's fine, Gram Barton? Is it yours? Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's go, let's go after It's the Grand Barton fan
Speaker 2: club right here. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love Graham Barton. I mean it is a projection.
Speaker 3: And we've talked about him a lot. Played left tackle
Speaker 3: most recently. You go back to res freshman year, you
Speaker 3: can watch him play some center, But I think it's
Speaker 3: the attitude in which Graham Barton plays, with the nastiness.
Speaker 3: He wants to finish you every single snap. I think
Speaker 3: if you haven't seen him the tape, the one on
Speaker 3: ones against your Adverse from Florida State sit out to me,
Speaker 3: it's exactly the reasons I don't want him necessarily as
Speaker 3: a starter at left tackle, because you see some of
Speaker 3: the limitations again against an athletic disrupt edge like Verse,
Speaker 3: but you also see a time where Verse will stunt
Speaker 3: inside and you get a little taste of what it'll
Speaker 3: be like for Graham Barton in a phone booth there
Speaker 3: and he just puts Je Verse on his ass, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's my dude, right there.
Speaker 4: He's done that a couple of times. He's so smart
Speaker 4: with the way that he plays the game. That's the
Speaker 4: thing is, he's got a high intelligence in the way
Speaker 4: that he attacks defenders, and he does so against guys
Speaker 4: like Verse, and he does so against anybody else. But
Speaker 4: it's the versatility for me. With the way that Tyler
Speaker 4: Smith is handled right now, left tackle the left guard
Speaker 4: to left tackle the left guard, you don't necessarily know
Speaker 4: exactly what you're doing. I think Graham Barton gives you
Speaker 4: a for sure answer. You've got your left tackle of
Speaker 4: the future. His name's Tyler Smith and he's already in
Speaker 4: the building.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 5: We've talked a lot about Graham Barton being able to
Speaker 5: come in and play center immediately.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well let's say he gets picked. Sure, what is
Speaker 5: the potential he comes in. Hey, that's a really good
Speaker 5: left guard you got right there, TJ. Basstbrock Hoffman. Those
Speaker 5: are options you can still throw in at center left guard.
Speaker 5: Graham Barton, I mean, with the trace that he has
Speaker 5: and being able to play up against interior guys. You
Speaker 5: say that he can handle, or those athletic guys, so
Speaker 5: let's put them up against three texts, maybe even a
Speaker 5: five tech that's trying to come inside. I think there's
Speaker 5: also an option for grand Barton to play left guard.
Speaker 5: I think for me that's probably why he would be
Speaker 5: My dream pick is versatil.
Speaker 2: Yeah, versatility.
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Speaker 2: Twenty four.
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Speaker 3: Aisha twenty four, Graham Barton or do you have somebody
Speaker 3: else that's your dream pick?
Speaker 7: No, I'm okay with it.
Speaker 8: I think that somebody made a good point earlier today
Speaker 8: on the show that even if he does come in,
Speaker 8: if you were to bring in Graham Barton, is that
Speaker 8: going to take away from how good he is with
Speaker 8: communication as a center. And I think that you made
Speaker 8: that point earlier, Nick, so that would be the only thing.
Speaker 8: But we know what he's capable of. And then when
Speaker 8: you look at the Cowboys, so many of the offensive
Speaker 8: lines that they're playing a lot of the defensive lines
Speaker 8: that they're playing are strong.
Speaker 7: On the interior.
Speaker 8: So to get a guy in, I'm not afraid to rustle,
Speaker 8: would be nice to pair, you know, right there next
Speaker 8: to the whatever whatever center they decide to bring in.
Speaker 3: So, okay, Bobby, I want to get your thoughts here
Speaker 3: in just a second. But Brian, this is way too comfortable.
Speaker 3: We're all agreeing.
Speaker 7: It's weird.
Speaker 2: Why why should GRANM Barton not be the pick of
Speaker 2: twenty four because Jackson powers Johnson should be the pick.
Speaker 7: He's he always got to make a scene, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But you know the thing, and I have nothing
Speaker 2: against Graham Barton at all, And I think the thing
Speaker 2: that when you look at the Dallas Cowboy was especially
Speaker 2: with some of the issues that they dealt with in
Speaker 2: the running game, I think point of attack blocking at
Speaker 2: tight end was poor. I don't think Luke Schoonmaker did
Speaker 2: enough for you there. I don't think the tight ends
Speaker 2: as a hold it enough and your center was not
Speaker 2: good enough at reaching wide techniques or getting second level blocks.
Speaker 2: Graham Barton can do those kinds of things. But I
Speaker 2: think when you start to talk about power and what
Speaker 2: you're playing with within this division. When the NFC East,
Speaker 2: we're starting to see these larger, bigger, more athletic tackles,
Speaker 2: and so I think you have to be able to
Speaker 2: combat that. And you know, Graham Barton, I think can
Speaker 2: rustle with anybody like we're talking about. I think that
Speaker 2: just powers. Johnson has just a little bit more power
Speaker 2: to him. Is the three hundred and twenty eight pound guy.
Speaker 2: But you watch him, You watch him reach wide techniques,
Speaker 2: you watch him play second level, you watch him pull,
Speaker 2: you watch him like get two blocks on one play.
Speaker 2: He'll take a down guy, bounce that guy and then
Speaker 2: bounce to another guy. Yeah. I like the kid from Duke.
Speaker 2: But to me, if you want to give me the
Speaker 2: most powerful player at that position, I'm taking Powers Johnson
Speaker 2: from Oregon.
Speaker 9: Okay, Bobby, Yeah. I mean look, it's funny. The four
Speaker 9: names I think you see most consistently around the Cowboys,
Speaker 9: just through mock drafts and everything else right now are Jackson,
Speaker 9: Powers Johnson, Graham Barton, the two guys we talk about here,
Speaker 9: and then Amarius Mems and Tyler Geyton. Amarusmims with the
Speaker 9: tackle at Georgia, Guidon the tackle at Oklahoma. And this
Speaker 9: is the function of picking at twenty four, is that
Speaker 9: you're talking about there's a projection, there's a question, there's
Speaker 9: something about all of them, no matter how much you
Speaker 9: like them.
Speaker 10: If you like Memes, you like Geiton.
Speaker 9: You're talking about projecting somebody to left tackle that's been
Speaker 9: primarily a right tackle. If you like Jackson powers Johnson,
Speaker 9: you're gonna have to probably get comfortable with some things
Speaker 9: about his health. If you're talking about Graham Barton, you're
Speaker 9: talking about kicking him inside to a completely different position
Speaker 9: than he's played since you know, his freshman year. And
Speaker 9: so I lean towards when I say, what are the
Speaker 9: Cowboys doing right now?
Speaker 10: Where are they at?
Speaker 2: Are?
Speaker 9: You know, they are teams that are rebuilding. There are
Speaker 9: other teams in the middle of contention. There are other
Speaker 9: teams trying to, you know, get in while the window
Speaker 9: is still open. And I think that the Cowboys being
Speaker 9: in sort of a win now mode right now, it's
Speaker 9: just what center are you most comfortable with, because I
Speaker 9: think center minimizes the most risk of all of the
Speaker 9: picks that they're potentially looking at at the offensive line,
Speaker 9: because you do have Tyler Smith who can play tackle.
Speaker 10: You do have TJ. Bass who can play guard.
Speaker 9: If you commit to Tyler Smith at left guard, you know,
Speaker 9: are you talking about potentially a center and a left
Speaker 9: tackle that you got to go find.
Speaker 10: How comfortable are you with bra Kaufman. I think that TJ.
Speaker 9: Bass is probably more ready to go right now than
Speaker 9: I would say Hoffman.
Speaker 2: Sure, well, we've also gone to see him a little
Speaker 2: bit more.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and so because of that, just where that function is,
Speaker 9: then I think you got to say, Okay, the win
Speaker 9: now move right now. That is for the betterment of
Speaker 9: your team. Would be to me, whichever center you have
Speaker 9: great at hire right now? I would probably lean Graham Barton.
Speaker 2: Does anybody are you scared about? And maybe the apprehension
Speaker 2: I would have about Memes. I think Mems is a
Speaker 2: hell of a player. And I always get these guys
Speaker 2: laugh at me because I'm the old guy when we
Speaker 2: start to talk about ceilings and floors and all that.
Speaker 2: I never talked about that in a war room, but
Speaker 2: they talk about it today. But I was just wondering
Speaker 2: with Memes and the lack of games that he's played.
Speaker 2: You know, you could watch the Ohio State playoff game
Speaker 2: and you get an idea of like, Okay, this guy
Speaker 2: can block NFL type players, but is there any apprehension
Speaker 2: about him playing a different position though, But with the
Speaker 2: minimal number of games that he's played.
Speaker 6: You ever been to a wedding, you know you got
Speaker 6: the loaf.
Speaker 2: I've been in a couple of them myself.
Speaker 3: You see these ceilings that are all the subject nick, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I lost I lost my I lost in a wedding.
Speaker 11: I lost my first one because of the NFL. Okay, okay,
Speaker 11: just what exact You walk into the venue. You see
Speaker 11: these high, high ceilings with the chandelier, and you look,
Speaker 11: You've tried to do this with me before.
Speaker 5: I would love to touch that chandelier, but yeah, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna have to get there. That's that's chandelier all the
Speaker 5: way up there. But also you are looking at your
Speaker 5: feet and you realize how tall that shandel I've been
Speaker 5: laying on the ground before weddings. Yeah, I understand that too.
Speaker 6: You got to.
Speaker 5: Understand how far you got to get to get there.
Speaker 5: And I think that that is what Amarus Mims is. Yes,
Speaker 5: he has this crazy high ceiling, but also at the
Speaker 5: same time, you don't really know completely the product that
Speaker 5: you're getting for me whenever I'm looking at guys that
Speaker 5: you don't have a lot of experience with and a
Speaker 5: Marius Mims case only eight starts at Georgia. Yes, his
Speaker 5: first start came in a game against Ohio State and
Speaker 5: the playoffs in my finals back in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 5: and I really loved what he did in that game.
Speaker 5: I think that was his best product that he put forth.
Speaker 5: What I like to see whenever I'm looking at guys
Speaker 5: that don't have a lot of experience is okay, what
Speaker 5: did they show that they can that I know that
Speaker 5: they can improve on at the next level. What have
Speaker 5: they shown in that eight games that they've been able
Speaker 5: to develop? Because you can at least get a trajectory
Speaker 5: from that line, right, you look at game one, you
Speaker 5: look at game eight. Okay, I didn't like what he
Speaker 5: did here as far as his hand fighting was against
Speaker 5: Ohio State in certain areas. Okay, here in game eight,
Speaker 5: I see that kind of improving. Yes, there is still
Speaker 5: ways for him to go, but I know that trajectory
Speaker 5: is actually going. So with the Marius Mims, I love
Speaker 5: the frame, I love the size. I think with a
Speaker 5: guy like that, you bring him in the building, you
Speaker 5: start to ask, Okay, what do you know from an
Speaker 5: intelligent standpoint? What do you know from a blocking scheme standpoint?
Speaker 5: Can you get to the second level? What does your
Speaker 5: mobility look like? And I think you kind of round
Speaker 5: that all up in your report, But I think that's
Speaker 5: when the in house stuff becomes so important, because you
Speaker 5: want to know the type of person you're getting to
Speaker 5: if it means that you have to really develop that guy.
Speaker 2: This is where if I was in the war room
Speaker 2: with Jerry Jones, being an older guy, I would try
Speaker 2: and sell Flozel Adams here because the thing I always
Speaker 2: learned about working with Jerry, you have to tell him
Speaker 2: this player reminds me of this guy and you could
Speaker 2: paint that picture for him. If you could do that,
Speaker 2: then he'll have a better understanding of what he's potentially
Speaker 2: dealing with. So if I was one of the older
Speaker 2: scouts like Chris Hall guys that been with him, I
Speaker 2: would say, hey, potentially this is your flos Oh Adams.
Speaker 2: At six eight, three hundred and forty pounds. He has
Speaker 2: a history and understanding of what flows Oh Adams was
Speaker 2: like as a tackle for him in the nineties. How
Speaker 2: do you feel about Amarus mems Asia.
Speaker 8: I mean, I kind of agree with Brian on this
Speaker 8: and this, and I think it goes back to what
Speaker 8: Bobby said about this being a year where you're looking
Speaker 8: for this team to take a step forward, and you're
Speaker 8: relying on the idea that this gentleman is going to
Speaker 8: come in and be that starter that you're looking for.
Speaker 8: With some of the development stuff and some of the
Speaker 8: timing in which he's had experience or the lack of experience,
Speaker 8: that would give me pause just because you really ain't
Speaker 8: got time for your quarterback to be getting hit this year,
Speaker 8: especially with the loss of Tyring. So for me, I'm
Speaker 8: on the fence about it, but I do see the
Speaker 8: potential there. It's just like, baby, I don't know if
Speaker 8: we got time for potential right now.
Speaker 4: Well, and not to completely like turn the conversation back
Speaker 4: to Graham Barton again, but that's please.
Speaker 2: I know I would love for that.
Speaker 4: But the the the whole point about this tackle class
Speaker 4: is that there's a lot of question marks outside of
Speaker 4: those first couple names. Joe Walt no to Dame check,
Speaker 4: Olufashan open State check, Tali essay Uaga from Oregon State.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you sean thing you gotta s Yeah, I'm who
Speaker 3: didn't like Patrick tir Tan coming out always Tave's boring.
Speaker 2: You're that kind of game year.
Speaker 6: We'll circle back there.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, whenever you're talking.
Speaker 4: About these top tackle prospects, outside of those top three
Speaker 4: or four names, you've got question marks around almost every
Speaker 4: other tackle prospect.
Speaker 2: Okay, they're either moving positions.
Speaker 4: I know there's a move of a position for Graham Barton,
Speaker 4: maybe not so much for Jackson Powers Johnson as well,
Speaker 4: but it's a translatable thing to the NFL. That's different
Speaker 4: than sticking a guy at left tackle in Like Aysha's
Speaker 4: pointing out, you got to play immediately and you've got
Speaker 4: to be good immediately to protect that quarterback.
Speaker 3: So we do we get we got a lot of
Speaker 3: guys that we've seen most recently play on the rights,
Speaker 3: and you might be projecting them over to the left.
Speaker 3: Bobby out of the most realistic options, and I guess
Speaker 3: we learned with Ceedee lambfalling to seventeen, maybe everything's a
Speaker 3: realistic option. You don't know what's going to happen in
Speaker 3: the draft, But who do you think are the short
Speaker 3: list of Tackles that you would think the Cowboys would
Speaker 3: go for there at twenty four.
Speaker 9: I and you mentioning the Lamb scenario there, So we're
Speaker 9: just talking about who we think can like outside of
Speaker 9: a Lamb scenario.
Speaker 3: Outside of a Lamb scenario, and then maybe the one guy,
Speaker 3: because I certainly have one that if we did get
Speaker 3: a dream Lamb scenario, that I think would be a
Speaker 3: home run selection.
Speaker 10: I think Tackles.
Speaker 9: It's names we've kicked around a lot recently on the
Speaker 9: Draft show, Mems, Geiten, those two stand out right there,
Speaker 9: and then to me, I think the other one that
Speaker 9: we should be talking more about, and I think that
Speaker 9: there's a building awareness of him among Cowboys fans within
Speaker 9: the draft Muti is Kingsley Suamataiya from BYU.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm glad that you brought him up. Was a
Speaker 3: visit yesterday here, posted about it at the Star. I
Speaker 3: think he's better than the other two guys, Geidon and Mims.
Speaker 3: Would you agree or disagree?
Speaker 4: Felt ready better? Right, He's He's higher on my stack
Speaker 4: than both of those guys. Yeah, I could see it
Speaker 4: with Geiton, I don't know if I'm there with Mims.
Speaker 4: Mims has more.
Speaker 3: Again, I should say potential right upside ceiling.
Speaker 2: Is that chandelier right up there? But there's so many
Speaker 2: question marks.
Speaker 3: I think I know what I'm getting in Kingsley Suamati
Speaker 3: three hundred and ninety one pass naps and allow a
Speaker 3: single sack last year. You have seen him at both
Speaker 3: and I think at first I was a little critical.
Speaker 3: Does he open up his chest? Is he letting lineman
Speaker 3: get inside of him there? When it comes to the footwork,
Speaker 3: the athleticism, could he translate? Went back watching him a
Speaker 3: little bit more because he is a name that I
Speaker 3: think is starting to Hey, we need to know him here, Bobby.
Speaker 3: I think the guy can do it, and I think
Speaker 3: he's steady, and you know what he's getting. There's less
Speaker 3: of a projection to your point, Yeah, And.
Speaker 9: I mean, look, you you kind of referenced it there
Speaker 9: for all of the projection that we're talking about. Look,
Speaker 9: Kingsley Suwamatia is still is a raw football player in
Speaker 9: a lot of ways. But I think that, like you mentioned,
Speaker 9: we have seen a full season of right tackle snaps.
Speaker 9: We've seen most recently full season of left tackle snaps.
Speaker 9: You know that he adjusted well to those sort of
Speaker 9: things and this is look, this is where this this
Speaker 9: Cowboys scouting staff is so critical and they do such
Speaker 9: a good job.
Speaker 10: There was.
Speaker 9: So much hand ringing and disappointment and freaking out the
Speaker 9: night they picked Tyler Smith for a lot of people,
Speaker 9: and this was a staff that said, look, we've done
Speaker 9: the investigative work to understand who this player is and
Speaker 9: why he has the ability to progress forward and reach
Speaker 9: this despite all these flaws that you may see, we're
Speaker 9: comfortable with them doing this. So to me, I think
Speaker 9: that Kingsley Suamati is some of those same sort of
Speaker 9: issues that you see. It's a similar question with Tyler Smith,
Speaker 9: where if they're comfortable with what kind of a worker
Speaker 9: he is, how he takes the coaching things like that,
Speaker 9: I think he'd be a great pick because I think
Speaker 9: the upside really is fantastic.
Speaker 3: Well, in a shout out to the Cowboy Scouts, I mean,
Speaker 3: if they draft Alignment in the first round, they know
Speaker 3: what they're doing, so I'm not I mean, even if
Speaker 3: they were to take a guy in at Oklahoma who
Speaker 3: I'm not in love with and I think certainly has
Speaker 3: to bet on like which one of those guys, I
Speaker 3: don't think translates the best. I think Geiden's got a
Speaker 3: little bit more work to be done, but you see
Speaker 3: some traits there that you really like that I could
Speaker 3: see an offensive line coach say, Okay, bring him in.
Speaker 3: I can bold him and make him something good. What
Speaker 3: was the offensive tackle that would slide to you that
Speaker 3: would get you most excited.
Speaker 9: Bobby, I'm the guy that I would love to fall
Speaker 9: down to them. That the guy that would be my dream,
Speaker 9: and I just I don't see him getting own. There's
Speaker 9: just Troy Fatano from Washington. That's a guy to me
Speaker 9: that I think, no matter where you want to play him,
Speaker 9: however you want to use Tyler Smith, I think Troy
Speaker 9: Fatano can step in and be a above average NFL
Speaker 9: tackle or guard right away. And I think he's somebody
Speaker 9: who can be a Pro Bowl guard tackle in very
Speaker 9: short order. And so whichever direction you want to play him,
Speaker 9: if you can get him to slide down the border
Speaker 9: a little bit too, if you get some of these
Speaker 9: teams that like Fuagamore and fashion new guys like that,
Speaker 9: then and you can push him down. It's not as
Speaker 9: unrealistic to me heading into draft day as it felt
Speaker 9: like Ceedee Lamb was and that happened.
Speaker 3: Brian more realistic guy to slide. Is it Fuaga from
Speaker 3: Oregon State or is it Fatana? You think from Washington Patano?
Speaker 3: I think Fuaga. They've done a lot of a lot
Speaker 3: of leg work on too.
Speaker 2: To me, he was putting one of those guys that
Speaker 2: have kind of viewed as a possible trade up, you know,
Speaker 2: I know there was all the early mock drafts had
Speaker 2: him basically with the Jets at ten before you know,
Speaker 2: they made the deal with for Tyron Smith. I don't
Speaker 2: think that's going to keep the Jets from doing anything
Speaker 2: like that. But to me, Fuaga is the one. I mean,
Speaker 2: I got him second a second offensive tackle. On my board,
Speaker 2: Alt would be number one. But you know, I think
Speaker 2: it's really really interesting, uh when you when you start
Speaker 2: to talk about uh uh Fatano and what he could
Speaker 2: do and like, to me, there's a lot of just
Speaker 2: wow blocks with him. There are you know when you
Speaker 2: watch him, the power, the upper body strength. He had
Speaker 2: a little trouble in the USC game, and you always
Speaker 2: kind of look for the good competition with guys. You know,
Speaker 2: they got a little bit maybe a little bit better
Speaker 2: edge rushers and stuff like that was a little bit
Speaker 2: of a battle for him. The waste spending stuff was
Speaker 2: getting a little bit of a problem for him. But
Speaker 2: for a man that size, when you talk about six four,
Speaker 2: three hundred and seventeen pounds, the athletic ability has man.
Speaker 2: If he could somehow get to you, boy, that would
Speaker 2: be a big get for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: All right, let's do a little top three, because you
Speaker 3: guys know I love my top ten lists, so I
Speaker 3: want to go ahead and name I'll name my top
Speaker 3: three three round selections. If the Cowboys came away with this,
Speaker 3: I'm having a party on draft night.
Speaker 2: You guys can give me yours.
Speaker 3: If you like anything that I've done here, go ahead
Speaker 3: and share that with me, and then we can go ahead,
Speaker 3: maybe take some questions for those of you that want
Speaker 3: to ask us anything here on draft one on one.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you being here.
Speaker 3: I think you guys know obviously Graham Barton duke center
Speaker 3: twenty four, I'd be thrilled with. I am willing to
Speaker 3: take the risk at fifty six. Now I don't have
Speaker 3: the medical report, right, I think, talk to me, Peyton
Speaker 3: Wilson's the best linebacker in this draft.
Speaker 4: And instead of this in the wolf Pack or instead
Speaker 4: of that in the Texas Longhorns.
Speaker 3: I thought you were going Jonathan Brooks. No, no, I'm
Speaker 3: not going Jonathan Brooks. And the reason is is I
Speaker 3: think that there's a running back in the third round
Speaker 3: that I could get that I like quite a bit
Speaker 3: as well. And I think this one it's not that
Speaker 3: one because I think Trayvinsky's going to be off the board,
Speaker 3: but that's my RB one is Trey Benson. But I
Speaker 3: think Peyton Wilson. I think linebacker is more likely. Maybe
Speaker 3: a spot you've got to address in the second round,
Speaker 3: because I think running back.
Speaker 2: Stretches a little bit more to me in the third.
Speaker 3: Now, I could see the Cowboys one hundred percent going
Speaker 3: ahead and taking Jonathan Brooks out of Texas be a
Speaker 3: good pick. He's my running back too. I wouldn't be
Speaker 3: upset with it. But you need a linebacker. Peyton Wilson
Speaker 3: the tape when you turn it on, he's faring away
Speaker 3: the best in the draft. I don't think there's any
Speaker 3: question mark when it comes to rushing the passer, tackling
Speaker 3: in space, coverage ability. The questions are all the medical history.
Speaker 3: And in the second round, I mean we are in
Speaker 3: a building where they've taken some guys a medical history
Speaker 3: because the talent's just too darn good to pass up.
Speaker 3: This guy, though, has played two years of clean football,
Speaker 3: and I'm hoping that maybe that's behind him.
Speaker 2: I just him.
Speaker 3: I'd go ahead and say talent's too good to pass up.
Speaker 3: Edgerrian Cooper would be my other name out of A
Speaker 3: and M the linebacker there. I'd take them both ahead
Speaker 3: of Junior Golson out of Michigan. But at three, it's
Speaker 3: Jalen Wright, running back at A Tennessee. I love Jalen Wright,
Speaker 3: the explosiveness. I think he's gonna be a three down back.
Speaker 3: To me, he's fantastic, and I think he's probably one
Speaker 3: of the more underrated running backs in the drafts. Listen
Speaker 3: to Draft show, Bucky Irving, I know his Nicks guy.
Speaker 3: You know I love Jalen Wright. Brian, I know you're
Speaker 3: a fan as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah I am too. You know, if I had to
Speaker 2: look at my perfect draft, I think Powers Johnson, the
Speaker 2: center from Oregon, would be the guy that would take.
Speaker 2: I really do like Wilson a lot from and I've
Speaker 2: even I'm old enough to have scouted Luke Keigley when
Speaker 2: he played when he came out of Boston College. I
Speaker 2: think this kid has those kinds of traits. His ability
Speaker 2: to play down hill, the ability to cover, the ability
Speaker 2: to play sideline to sideline. The only thing holding him
Speaker 2: back is this injury history, you know, and again that's something,
Speaker 2: but I would absolutely love the opportunity to have him.
Speaker 2: What you did with the I like what you did
Speaker 2: with the running back though in the third round. Me
Speaker 2: personally like Lloyd the running back from USC a little
Speaker 2: bit better than right Alan Irbing. I think that there's
Speaker 2: going to be some value there with those guys. So
Speaker 2: to me, if you could, if you give me that
Speaker 2: that that killer at the at the center, a linebacker
Speaker 2: that will make every single tackle, and then a running
Speaker 2: back with some elusiveness, ability to catch the football, make
Speaker 2: people miss, kind of help your offensive line. So you
Speaker 2: think you're doing yourself some good work there.
Speaker 5: We're going dream scenario here, dreams, Okay, dreams, sell me
Speaker 5: on dreams. Well, my first round pick would be Troy Fatanu.
Speaker 5: Then that that would be I think see Lamb situation
Speaker 5: and here we go at twenty four. Yeah, it's it's unlikely,
Speaker 5: but that would be the dream scenario. Second round, I'm
Speaker 5: still going Jonathan Brooks. I I love what he did
Speaker 5: in his one season. I love what he'd do with
Speaker 5: his one season as a star with the Long Horns.
Speaker 5: I mean, you talk about contact balance, you talk about
Speaker 5: being able to fight through guys. He's still is elusive
Speaker 5: out of the backfield as well as a receiving option.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: They understand the medical reports in this building with the
Speaker 5: Cowboys team doctor performing the surgery on that ACL and
Speaker 5: like you said, there is no hesitance in this building
Speaker 5: when it comes to injury guys. So second round Jonathan Brooks,
Speaker 5: and then third round you would have to address that
Speaker 5: defensive tackle or linebacker position. For me, I'm going defensive tackle,
Speaker 5: and I would like to go McKinley Jackson there in
Speaker 5: the third round out of Texas A and m just
Speaker 5: a wide body that you can put at one tech
Speaker 5: and be able to fill those running lanes. Look, Mazzie
Speaker 5: Smith coming back next year. I don't think anyone really
Speaker 5: understands what's going to happen there. He lost a lot
Speaker 5: of weight towards the back end of the season last year.
Speaker 5: He's dealing with a shoulder injury going into the year.
Speaker 5: And as of right now, that's your only one tech.
Speaker 5: I feel like that has to be addressed in the
Speaker 5: first two days. Go ahead and get McKinley Jackson there
Speaker 5: in the third and hope that he can come in
Speaker 5: and at least provide a wide body. If Mazzi is
Speaker 5: not able to come onto the field or if he's
Speaker 5: not what they expected.
Speaker 2: When did you go Jackson in the third? Because you
Speaker 2: know that the one technique defensive tackles it's not deep
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not deep at all.
Speaker 5: And I feel like I can get a linebacker there
Speaker 5: on day three where you can still have some really
Speaker 5: good value. We talk about guys like Jordan McGee out
Speaker 5: of Temple. That's an option that you could you could
Speaker 5: possibly throw out at linebacker. I'm trying to think of
Speaker 5: guys right off the top of my head. At Afonola
Speaker 5: Fohio out of Washington. I think he's another guy that
Speaker 5: you could you could get there on day three. So
Speaker 5: I think there's a little bit wall out of Kentucky. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think he goes into the third, and I think
Speaker 5: that's probably the discussion you have.
Speaker 6: Do you want to go ahead and jump on tray Love.
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan. I mean, if you don't take
Speaker 2: linebacker on the second, I'm iin Wallas in the third.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he brings a lot to the table.
Speaker 5: And you have to also understand, if you're picking there
Speaker 5: at eighty seven and there's no trades involved, you're not
Speaker 5: picking again until one seventy four late in the fifth round,
Speaker 5: So you're you'all can sleep in on day three. There's
Speaker 5: there's not gonna be a whole lot going on until
Speaker 5: that pick one seventy four if there's not a trade mate.
Speaker 5: So I want to make sure and I get a
Speaker 5: position where I know there's a bigger need, and for me,
Speaker 5: that's defensive tackle over line.
Speaker 2: Okay, if there's no trades. Though, to me, where I
Speaker 2: think Jackson from Texas A and M fits for you
Speaker 2: is if you do back up, if you get that
Speaker 2: extra Yeah, because you get that at high frigg. And
Speaker 2: I know if you watched the draft show that we
Speaker 2: did this morning, we went, we traded back and then
Speaker 2: we traded back up. So if you want to go
Speaker 2: back and kind of get an idea how the landscape
Speaker 2: might be for that, we did that this morning. But Yeah,
Speaker 2: to me, I think that Jackson is if you pick
Speaker 2: up that extra pick, you know, but man, he is
Speaker 2: a really good player for texting three hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: six pound guy that plays on the other side of
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmag.
Speaker 3: Yeah to me, I mean it's funny because you're talking
Speaker 3: about him as a one tech and that's the guy
Speaker 3: typically you think, like.
Speaker 2: What you drafted Mazie, Right, that's what kicking me in
Speaker 2: the butt, right, But what excites me the most.
Speaker 3: About McKinley Jackson is actually his disruptiveness up the field, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean he's got.
Speaker 2: Some pass rush ability for a one tech, Right, what
Speaker 2: about you, Bobby?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think Fittano is the dream at twenty four
Speaker 9: for me. I don't know how tainable it is, but look,
Speaker 9: I think that when you look at what was most
Speaker 9: wrong with this football team at the end of the year,
Speaker 9: like I think we would say that it was the
Speaker 9: running game on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 10: Who was stopping the run? It was being able to
Speaker 10: generate the running game.
Speaker 9: And then you know, you've got some peripheral traits that
Speaker 9: you would maybe talk about, like you want the glass eaters,
Speaker 9: you want the toughness, you want the guys with the
Speaker 9: edge on them, and so to me, I think Fatanu
Speaker 9: fits that on the offensive line. It's it's gonna be
Speaker 9: tough figuring out center. But I mean at that point
Speaker 9: the value would just be too high for me, So
Speaker 9: Fatanu there. And then in the second round it's Eddrian
Speaker 9: Cooper because I I do think that that's somebody who's
Speaker 9: a chance to be really special.
Speaker 10: And look, I know you've got a pass to.
Speaker 9: Absolutely and that's somebody who like a lot of times
Speaker 9: we see, you know, these hair on fire type of
Speaker 9: linebackers that have come out in recent years where we
Speaker 9: but we start watching them at times and it shows
Speaker 9: up in there a lot Brian and your reports too.
Speaker 9: A lot of times we end up describing these guys like,
Speaker 9: well they're guess or so like when when they gets
Speaker 9: the right, when they guess right, they hit it and
Speaker 9: it's impressive and when it gets wrong it's ugly. And
Speaker 9: I think that with Cooper, to me, I see a
Speaker 9: lot of natural instincts that the longer that he's in place,
Speaker 9: it doesn't mean that he's always in his run fits
Speaker 9: the right way, He misses, he over pursues at times,
Speaker 9: but I think the instincts overall are really good. And
Speaker 9: and you know, with Eric Kendricks being here for probrobably
Speaker 9: just a year, I think that overshown and Cooper is
Speaker 9: a dou It would be great. And then in the
Speaker 9: third round you're looking at a running back. I mean,
Speaker 9: I could say dream and say pray everybody is scared
Speaker 9: away by Jonathan Brooks's knee, but I'm not gonna cheat.
Speaker 9: So instead I'll say oddric Estime from Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: I Guestime.
Speaker 3: That's another name that we haven't talked about a ton
Speaker 3: and he's a good player.
Speaker 10: And that's it.
Speaker 9: I mean, for those of you that aren't familiar with
Speaker 9: adrog Estimate from Notre Dame, this is not going to
Speaker 9: be a Tony Pollard replacement.
Speaker 3: No, that's a downhill between the tackles I'm gonna run
Speaker 3: you over.
Speaker 9: But I mean that's something that they could use. Is
Speaker 9: they could use physicality, they could use toughness, they could
Speaker 9: use that edge in the running game. And so to me,
Speaker 9: you remember a couple of years ago in the Tyler
Speaker 9: Smith draft that seemed to be a big folks for
Speaker 9: them to like, let's identify toughness as a trait and
Speaker 9: include that in our prioritization, and I think that they're
Speaker 9: kind of back to that spot again. I think if
Speaker 9: you get those three, you're getting three really tough players
Speaker 9: who really help set the tone in the run game
Speaker 9: on both sides.
Speaker 4: You could look at these first three picks and there's
Speaker 4: a lot of names that have been circling that have
Speaker 4: those medical red flags. I know Peyton Wilson we talked
Speaker 4: about extensively, Jackson Powers, Johnson has some medical concerns. Jonathan Brooks.
Speaker 4: In my dream, there's no hurt guys, none of that.
Speaker 4: I don't want any medical red flags in my first
Speaker 4: three picks. So I'm gonna go with Graham Barton early.
Speaker 4: I think Graham Barton is shoulder training camp, it's been passed,
Speaker 4: we're fine, everything's good. But yes, I'm gonna have Graham
Speaker 4: Barton as ze first pick. Overall, the dream continues with
Speaker 4: Edgrin Cooper and for the same thing there, I'm dreaming
Speaker 4: of the world where Demarvin Overshown and Edgering Cooper on
Speaker 4: the field together and interchangeable back and forth, tons of link,
Speaker 4: tons of athleticism, pass rush ability, and really that sideline,
Speaker 4: the sideline that you've been missing, and a physicality you've
Speaker 4: been missing at the second level, and a guy that
Speaker 4: hasn't had the same injury history as a guy like
Speaker 4: a Peyton Wilson.
Speaker 2: As fun as Wilson's tape is.
Speaker 4: To watch to watch, I'm still worried overall about what
Speaker 4: he can bring speed the third one.
Speaker 2: My dream is still alive, though.
Speaker 3: I think Trey Benson does fall a little bit further
Speaker 3: with early, and I've got Benson higher than right. I'd
Speaker 3: love it if you were there, I'd take Benson over.
Speaker 4: And here's here's the reason why this is not one
Speaker 4: of those running back classes with b John Robinson. This
Speaker 4: isn't a running back class with Jimi or Gibbs. This
Speaker 4: isn't that same level of class. We're talking about Jonathan Brooks,
Speaker 4: who barely has an a c L that's up front early,
Speaker 4: and you're still trying to talk about him being the
Speaker 4: pick at fifty six.
Speaker 3: I should thought that you thought I had ride it
Speaker 3: too no one way down to the I was afraid
Speaker 3: Benson's my one, Brooks is my two.
Speaker 7: Do you think he's gonna fall all the way down
Speaker 7: to No?
Speaker 2: I don't. In kyle'sa it is a dream scenario.
Speaker 4: I think it's possible the running back position isn't valued
Speaker 4: as much as he used to.
Speaker 2: Be, and I think there's an opportunity for these guys
Speaker 2: to fall. I don't.
Speaker 9: I don't know that he falls all the way down
Speaker 9: to them in the third round. I would be very
Speaker 9: surprised at this point if Trey Benson went in the
Speaker 9: first two.
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, But with that being said, if I don't,
Speaker 2: I can be optimistic about this.
Speaker 9: I mean, I like Trey Benson. I have him in
Speaker 9: the second, but I do I would be surprised if
Speaker 9: he in the first two round.
Speaker 4: You've got Braylan Allen sitting there too, and you talk
Speaker 4: about a physical runner and a guy that could be
Speaker 4: that back and forth, that downhill between the facles. I
Speaker 4: like Allan out of Wisconsin as my backup scenario. If
Speaker 4: Benson isn't there and I still need to take a
Speaker 4: running back in the third, okay, I would probably just
Speaker 4: go with Ray Davis so the Kentucky and talked them down.
Speaker 2: What do you got an issue?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 8: So are we agreeing that if Talise Fuaga fall to
Speaker 8: fail to you, you're just gonna move him to the
Speaker 8: other side to left?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 12: Oh, Okay, so we're dreaming. So yeah, we're dreaming as
Speaker 12: far as I mean. I've also heard there's some guard love.
Speaker 12: There's tell you there's some guard love from scouts. Don't
Speaker 12: stress me out, just say it.
Speaker 10: Just want to go out.
Speaker 8: Just let me go.
Speaker 6: Get a little bit more complex.
Speaker 2: But only we're playing Madden. That's what we're doing now.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 7: First round pick, I think Talis.
Speaker 8: He just comes in and his temperament is just he's
Speaker 8: a tone setter, and I think that's something that you're
Speaker 8: looking for on your offensive line. It wasn't that many
Speaker 8: times I saw a bat snaps from him, I don't
Speaker 8: know about, y'all. And just how quickly he can get
Speaker 8: to the second second level, to the second level, like
Speaker 8: we talked about, is important to me as well. So
Speaker 8: I would go with him for my first round pick.
Speaker 8: For my second round pick, I decided, y'all that if
Speaker 8: if they not going to address DT, then they just
Speaker 8: need to score a whole bunch of points.
Speaker 2: So for me, I I would like Ricky PIERSO, look
Speaker 2: at you, Okay, look at you. I was going to
Speaker 2: ask the question, nobody picked a wide receiver. Everybody.
Speaker 4: Nobody thought about a receiver in the first two. I'm
Speaker 4: so proud of you right now.
Speaker 7: I'm only doing it.
Speaker 8: I'm only doing it because I I just think that
Speaker 8: he could be a really good addition to this, uh,
Speaker 8: this offense. Do some things underneath? Is the route running
Speaker 8: is there from him? He's really smooth in and out
Speaker 8: of his brakes. But then also too, you look at
Speaker 8: Brandon Cooks. Yeah, he's here for another year, but you
Speaker 8: you need to be trying to plan for the future
Speaker 8: a little bit. That wide receiver corps after Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 8: I mean there's there's still Jayling tober, but we're still
Speaker 8: seeing wait for him to take a step up as well.
Speaker 7: So for my third round pick'm uh uh, Brian already
Speaker 7: said it.
Speaker 8: I think Marshawn Lloyd out of USC will be a
Speaker 8: fantastic addition to this backfield runs with some toughness. I
Speaker 8: like his vision and how he's able to slash and
Speaker 8: things like that. So at this point, if you're not
Speaker 8: going to touch DT early, then let's just score a
Speaker 8: whole bunch of points in offense.
Speaker 6: Offense.
Speaker 4: Offense absolutely sit the return of team forty Burger or
Speaker 4: is that what we're doing?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, somebody who something the draft.
Speaker 2: To fans out there know that they got that, and
Speaker 2: I'm heavy on DT.
Speaker 8: I think, like I know, Bobby feels very strongly about
Speaker 8: the fact that, hey, you already you did.
Speaker 2: That last year, but you want to take a DT.
Speaker 7: Bobby, he doesn't want to take one early early.
Speaker 2: Like I understand that.
Speaker 9: Look, you you you gave up a fourth round pick.
Speaker 9: You have not really done anything in free agency. You've
Speaker 9: signed two outside free agents, right, Royce Freeman the running back,
Speaker 9: and then you went and got Eric Hendricks. You've lost
Speaker 9: four defensive linemen. So I understand, like you do need
Speaker 9: defensive line help everything else. But when you're talking about
Speaker 9: what can you afford to do right now, what is
Speaker 9: not only within your budget like financially, but what's within
Speaker 9: your budget in terms of capital. To me, last year
Speaker 9: they had a very passionate argument. We all saw the
Speaker 9: miked up segment and like we've heard the discussion about it,
Speaker 9: there was a very passionate argument about Matthew Berger on
Speaker 9: the offensive lineman or Mazzie Smith the defensive tackle. And
Speaker 9: they made their commitment twelve months ago. We were twelve
Speaker 9: months removed from them saying this is a first round player.
Speaker 9: This is somebody we're willing to take over a premium
Speaker 9: position an offensive line.
Speaker 10: This is what we're going to do.
Speaker 9: So with so many legitimate holes until you figure out
Speaker 9: where Tyler Smith is playing, until you settle on that,
Speaker 9: you currently have three holes in terms of starting positions
Speaker 9: on your offensive line. You've got holes in the linebackers,
Speaker 9: you know, the edge rusher's got a lot of holes
Speaker 9: with depth. To me, one of the areas where you
Speaker 9: can't sacrifice right now is say, we've got to be
Speaker 9: able to trust that OsO Degeizua is going to continue
Speaker 9: to be a great three technique and the guy we
Speaker 9: graded as a top fifteen player or whatever it was
Speaker 9: a year ago. We need to bank on that evaluation,
Speaker 9: trust the evaluation, and we need to trust this new
Speaker 9: coaching staff that we brought in to bring that out
Speaker 9: of him, because that at least you have something to
Speaker 9: bank on right now with offensive line and other positions
Speaker 9: on the field, it's like, well, you don't even have
Speaker 9: anything to hope for because there's not a player there
Speaker 9: right now.
Speaker 10: It's empty.
Speaker 9: And so I just want I understand if it was
Speaker 9: a if you had six picks in the first three rounds,
Speaker 9: you had this wealth of draft capital, I'd be all four.
Speaker 10: Taking a defensive tackle as well.
Speaker 9: It's just with the limited resources, is that the most
Speaker 9: efficient use for a team that needs to win right now?
Speaker 3: What about you bring a wide receiver maybe sneaky need.
Speaker 3: I think I could make the same argument for corner.
Speaker 3: What do you have right now behind Digs and Bland
Speaker 3: and Lewis sure that you feel good about But Eric
Speaker 3: Scott Junior, they did move up and draft. Now you
Speaker 3: got a different defensive coaching staff in there. I mean
Speaker 3: you have and you're banking on Digs coming back from
Speaker 3: an injury, and we've seen sometimes that doesn't always go
Speaker 3: as you had hoped. Uh, there's some good corners that
Speaker 3: you could take from rounds two through four. Maybe it's
Speaker 3: a TJ. Tampa at Iowa State. Maybe it's Kyrie Jackson
Speaker 3: out of Oregon. You know, maybe there's a slot guy
Speaker 3: that you like, Jerry and Jones out of Florida State
Speaker 3: you could take early day three.
Speaker 2: I mean, would would corner come into your mind at all?
Speaker 13: Here?
Speaker 2: Brian? It's such a deep position right now. It's kind
Speaker 2: of like the wide receiver thing. You know, you mentioned Jackson,
Speaker 2: and I know that my colleague here. We our young
Speaker 2: man out of Oregon. We kind of thought about it
Speaker 2: and he's an alpha. We kind of thought about him
Speaker 2: as maybe a third round guy. Now he's at the
Speaker 2: bottom of the first You know, there's this you know,
Speaker 2: a guy with length, sticky ability. That's what Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 2: Mike and I go way way back. I've worked with Mike.
Speaker 2: I know what Mike wants in a corner. He wants
Speaker 2: a guy that's got some length to him. He wants
Speaker 2: guys that are five to eleven or better. He's wants
Speaker 2: guys that are sticky, kind of man cover type ability,
Speaker 2: uh to that, you know, interchangeable safeties. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of things that Mike really really desires. But that corner back,
Speaker 2: the position of it is so deep, but there's so
Speaker 2: many different body types there. So to me, again, I
Speaker 2: like what I U should do with the wide receiver
Speaker 2: because it's a little bit different. It's a little bit
Speaker 2: out outside the box. And I love Ricky Piersaw by
Speaker 2: the way, that's one of my favorite players. But to me, though,
Speaker 2: I think I could wait a little bit on the corner,
Speaker 2: you know, if I had to, Because when I'm stacking
Speaker 2: my board. I'm down. I've got two hundred and fifteen players.
Speaker 2: I'm at player one forty two. I can't tell you
Speaker 2: how many how hard it's been for me to kind
Speaker 2: of put these corners in spots because you want to
Speaker 2: give them their due, you know, you want to say, Okay,
Speaker 2: this guy's got this, this guy, and then you kind
Speaker 2: of clump them together. You're like, man, does that seem right?
Speaker 2: And you're going, yeah, that's so. I kind of feel
Speaker 2: like though, that in this draft, they're going to look
Speaker 2: at some other positions. Maybe the receivers are the same way,
Speaker 2: but the cornerback is something I feel like that they
Speaker 2: could look at through the whole draft and probably grab
Speaker 2: somebody they're really really happy with. That might be the
Speaker 2: ext ron Bland.
Speaker 9: I'm curious when you look at the fact that they
Speaker 9: don't have a fourth round pick right now. Let's say
Speaker 9: they stand in pick in the first three rounds and
Speaker 9: so they don't pick again until the fifth round. Receiver corner,
Speaker 9: that's where everybody feels most comfortable that.
Speaker 10: You've got it.
Speaker 2: That maybe edge in the baby edge.
Speaker 9: So in the fifth round you say edge receiver corner,
Speaker 9: that that's a position you think you might be able
Speaker 9: to still have a fourth round graded player there when
Speaker 9: you pick in the fifth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, receiver, receiver, I think corner, yeah yeah, receiver,
Speaker 4: corner edge might be one of those guys that were
Speaker 4: one of those positions where you say, okay, if you
Speaker 4: had a fourth round pick and you're sleeping on your
Speaker 4: board going into day three, you might even have a
Speaker 4: third round grade on some of those guys.
Speaker 2: But when you get into that that that fifth round
Speaker 2: pick was at one seventy one, there might be a
Speaker 2: fourth round player still on your board.
Speaker 3: All right, do we have questions here for draft one
Speaker 3: on one? We'll open it up to questions. We have
Speaker 3: the mic right over here. If you want to go,
Speaker 3: step up, go ahead to introduce yourself, tell us your name,
Speaker 3: where you're from, and uh, we're here to answer whatever
Speaker 3: you got.
Speaker 10: Hello. My name's Aaron Thacker.
Speaker 6: I'm from Sherman, Texas.
Speaker 14: And my question would be, if you have like later
Speaker 14: round picks, like your fifth and sixth, would you possibly
Speaker 14: And again I don't know enough about like the compensation thing,
Speaker 14: so that's why I'm asking this, would you be able
Speaker 14: to use that to trade up to get that fourth
Speaker 14: round pick that you're missing, so that way you could
Speaker 14: do that, or would you have to like get give
Speaker 14: up next year's capital as well to do that.
Speaker 10: That's my question, thank y'all.
Speaker 2: What do you, Bobby, what do do you know, like
Speaker 2: trade char wise or pile? Do you have that up? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've got the trade jar right here.
Speaker 4: So pick one seventy four is worth twenty two points
Speaker 4: ultimately to try and move up. And you've got a
Speaker 4: couple picks after one seventy four, but that's the highest
Speaker 4: value pick outside of the top one hundred. The most
Speaker 4: you could move up from pick one seventy four, and
Speaker 4: it's still be able if even if you package the
Speaker 4: rest of your draft, the earliest you would even get
Speaker 4: close to is.
Speaker 2: About pick one twenty. That's about all you've got, So it.
Speaker 4: Would most likely to your point, if you're going to
Speaker 4: move up at some point and try and finagle that
Speaker 4: fourth round pick back into your possession, you're gonna do
Speaker 4: it using next year's draft capital, either a third or
Speaker 4: a fourth try and package maybe with one seventy four
Speaker 4: one of those other later picks in.
Speaker 2: Order to move up and try and get back in
Speaker 2: that fourth round.
Speaker 5: And I think there's an interesting point to make there
Speaker 5: as far as next year's draft capital is concerned, just
Speaker 5: because the one benefit to losing a million free agents,
Speaker 5: it says you might get a million compicks, so you
Speaker 5: might be able to package a couple of those next
Speaker 5: year with the.
Speaker 2: Expectations that Day three is going to be a blast.
Speaker 6: Now yeah here, oh man, Day three, we're gonna we're
Speaker 6: ten picks.
Speaker 10: It's gonna be great.
Speaker 2: When you when you look at the trading up and
Speaker 2: trading backs, the pick the picks from, Like if you
Speaker 2: go back to Tampa at twenty six, you would pick
Speaker 2: up their one twenty five, which is a fourth round pick,
Speaker 2: such a two spot move for four if you did
Speaker 2: a trade with the Arizona at twenty seven. So I'm
Speaker 2: just going down what we did this morning. You pick
Speaker 2: up pick one thirty eight and pick one sixty two
Speaker 2: from Arizona. Those are two fives. What we did this
Speaker 2: morning is we took those two fives and we tried
Speaker 2: to go up back up into the into the into
Speaker 2: the draft and then and had some options there we
Speaker 2: went to let's see where we went to there. We
Speaker 2: went from the after the Arizona trade, when we pick
Speaker 2: up the two fives, we took pick one thirty eight,
Speaker 2: one sixty two, one seventy four, which was our own
Speaker 2: all fifth round picks, and we tried to take that
Speaker 2: thing all the way to the chargers at one oh five.
Speaker 2: The chargers got two picks in the fourth So what
Speaker 2: you could do is you could take if you made
Speaker 2: a deal with Arizona, if you made it do with Arizona,
Speaker 2: you could you can move those two fifth round picks
Speaker 2: with your own fifth round pick and move that thing
Speaker 2: all the way up to try and get into the
Speaker 2: the one oh five to one to ten range. So
Speaker 2: that's how you would get your four uh, if you
Speaker 2: wanted to do that, But it's gonna cost you your
Speaker 2: the the two picks you got, the two fifth round picks,
Speaker 2: push your own fifth round pick.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that that's when you're talking about trying
Speaker 9: to get into the fourth round. If you want to
Speaker 9: go get into the fourth round. I don't know how
Speaker 9: much you are. Teams aren't going to let you in
Speaker 9: there all the time. Yeah, And I don't know how
Speaker 9: much you want to sacrifice to move up, Like I
Speaker 9: think it is gonna have to be an instance where
Speaker 9: you move back, because I mean, we're sitting here lamenting
Speaker 9: the loss of a fourth round pick and that could
Speaker 9: be a real value to them, and talking about giving
Speaker 9: up extra capital. I understand it's later day through, but
Speaker 9: you're talking about giving up extra capital or future capital.
Speaker 9: And at that point you're kind of chasing your tail
Speaker 9: trying to catch those picks back a little bit. And
Speaker 9: so to me, I think that if you're gonna get
Speaker 9: up into the fourth round, it's gotta be you're moving
Speaker 9: back somehow in the first or second and finding somebody
Speaker 9: who will give you that extra pick.
Speaker 4: BUTTERI you want to trade with this Kansas City. Kansas
Speaker 4: City and Buffalo are the two that I think are
Speaker 4: the most likely. Well, if they need a wide receiver,
Speaker 4: both teams need to go up and get a guy.
Speaker 2: It's funny because if you look at and the way
Speaker 2: in the NFL what we do is each each selection
Speaker 2: has a value of points, and when you start to
Speaker 2: trade with the teams behind you, if you make trades
Speaker 2: would say Tampa Bay there, your total points would be
Speaker 2: four oh two. That's the highest you could get by
Speaker 2: just moving back two spots and picking up that fourth
Speaker 2: your point total goes to four oh two. Arizona's trade
Speaker 2: would be the next highest at four hundred. Buffalo's at
Speaker 2: four hundred, the Baltimore trade is at three ninety seven.
Speaker 2: San Francisco's trade is at three ninety and then but
Speaker 2: Kansas City's at four oh one. So if you were
Speaker 2: willing to go from twenty four to thirty two, you
Speaker 2: would get the best value for your trade is if
Speaker 2: you went all the way back to Kansas City and
Speaker 2: picked up there and picked up there there, because what
Speaker 2: they're offering you is offering you pick ninety five, which
Speaker 2: is a third round pick and pick one thirty three,
Speaker 2: which is a fourth So now you're doing some good
Speaker 2: right there. That would give you pick thirty two, pick
Speaker 2: fifty six, pick eighty seven, pick ninety five, pick one
Speaker 2: thirty one, pick one seventy four, pick two sixteen, pick
Speaker 2: two thirty three, pick two forty four. Now we're doing
Speaker 2: some damage here, you know. Now we're now we're making
Speaker 2: our team a little bit better. But do you have
Speaker 2: the stomach to go from twenty four to thirty two?
Speaker 2: That's what you have to That's what they're going to
Speaker 2: have to determine in this room, you know, and you
Speaker 2: don't want to trade. We we gave scenarios of guys
Speaker 2: that we would take at twenty four, and I think
Speaker 2: we're all committed to those guys. Yeah so or yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you're more open to that. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: How committed are you when somebody like Kansas City calls
Speaker 2: you and offers you a third and a fourth to
Speaker 2: come down to their spot. You know that's that's that
Speaker 2: that tests your metal in that room, whether you're willing
Speaker 2: to trade away from a guy you really like to
Speaker 2: pick up a couple extra picks.
Speaker 5: Martin Fatanu Fluaga. All those guys are off the board.
Speaker 5: You're sitting there at twenty four. Mems are still on
Speaker 5: the board, Latham is still on the board. You're getting
Speaker 5: on the phone and going to thirty two. Yeah, I'd
Speaker 5: probably be open to moving back. Probably what did you
Speaker 5: think there?
Speaker 9: I was just say, and I mean thirty two. If
Speaker 9: that's a drop, you're gonna have trouble stomaching, Brian. You
Speaker 9: really don't want to drop to thirty six?
Speaker 10: I guess no.
Speaker 9: Nick was trying to talk me in today. But with
Speaker 9: that Commanders, it's it's an exact trade value chart match.
Speaker 9: If you go back to thirty six, you can get
Speaker 9: seventy eight from them, which they've got three picks in
Speaker 9: the third round. Yeah, I mean that's an exact point.
Speaker 9: Can match up if you want to. If you want
Speaker 9: to get let me tell you what I did. Let
Speaker 9: me tell you what we did today on the show.
Speaker 9: We took the Kansas City trade ninety five and one
Speaker 9: thirty one, and we shoved that thing up to the
Speaker 9: Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 2: Nick got seventy seven.
Speaker 7: Nick convinced us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so see, you could take you could take the
Speaker 2: third round pick, that fourth round pick you get, and
Speaker 2: if you want to go to the Vegas Raiders at
Speaker 2: seventy seven and get back into this thing, or you
Speaker 2: want to take it to Washington at seventy eight, So
Speaker 2: you could do some things. You could get creative. You
Speaker 2: could even take trade you made with Baltimore and San
Speaker 2: Francisco and go into the second round if you want.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if that's the scenario, we can draft Ricky Piersoll,
Speaker 4: We can draft a wide receiver, if.
Speaker 2: We can get some pace here and make it work. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you got to not get the anytime.
Speaker 6: We sneak Mickinley Jackson in there too, that's too much.
Speaker 2: You're asking too much here. It's a lot. Now you
Speaker 2: enjoyed the thunder all right? On next draft question, it's
Speaker 2: Chris from Wiley. I'm gonna go first direction here.
Speaker 13: Let's just say, you know, the Cowboys have been very
Speaker 13: quiet this offseason. Let's just say they decide they want
Speaker 13: to get a little aggressive. And let's say all six
Speaker 13: quarterbacks that you know everybody's talking about. Let's say there's
Speaker 13: a run of quarterbacks in the first before the Cowboys draft.
Speaker 13: What player would you guys be We all know the
Speaker 13: Cowboys need as many draft picks as they can, but
Speaker 13: what player would you guys be comfortable for them to
Speaker 13: move up?
Speaker 5: Ms Fogga, Falton.
Speaker 2: Either one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think those would be the two names. Now
Speaker 3: it depends on I mean, you might need to move
Speaker 3: up and go get Barton if he's your guy. With
Speaker 3: with how this thing's looking, you guys, that wouldn't cost
Speaker 3: you nearly as much.
Speaker 4: You'd have to get up into the late teens as
Speaker 4: opposed to maybe top fifteen.
Speaker 2: But you're really going you never know.
Speaker 3: In Philadelphia has a contingency plan in place to play
Speaker 3: a center with Kelsey retiring, but you also have seen
Speaker 3: a history of your division rival with Dallas Goddard where
Speaker 3: Philadelphia'll say, yeah, we like this guy and we're gonna
Speaker 3: take him, just to stick it to the Cowboys. If
Speaker 3: the Eagles took Barton at twenty two, I might throw up,
Speaker 3: what about Steelers at twenty or another team? Right the
Speaker 3: Dolphins at nineteen?
Speaker 4: I will say, Graham Barton just sounds like a Pittsburgh
Speaker 4: Steelers name, Like I just it does sound like that.
Speaker 4: So he would look good in the yellow and black.
Speaker 4: He'd look better in blue and silver wood. But I
Speaker 4: agree with you. I think if you're going to go
Speaker 4: up and get a guy, it's gonna cost you a
Speaker 4: lot to go get the fuagas, to go get the fatanus.
Speaker 4: And as much as that sounds fun, if they're sliding
Speaker 4: in the late teens, let's let's play around with the idea.
Speaker 4: But go get a guy if you feel like it,
Speaker 4: and if you're wanting to be aggressive, go get them
Speaker 4: if if you have the capital to do so.
Speaker 2: I just don't necessarily think they have the capital to
Speaker 2: do so. I'll be.
Speaker 10: Like, I'm just I'm reverse to moving up.
Speaker 3: Well, But so the Cowboys, though, seem to be too.
Speaker 3: They haven't moved up since Moke label.
Speaker 9: That's why to me, like you're gonna have to get
Speaker 9: some I mean, you're gonna have to get a a
Speaker 9: Laramie tunsil problem or something and push like Joe Alt
Speaker 9: down the board like before I'm gonna go up.
Speaker 2: He's got the guess I want to say, you think it's.
Speaker 9: Something like like I mean Latham maybe, like I mean,
Speaker 9: I really there's I like, even these guys that I
Speaker 9: like Latham and Alton, stuff like tackle like likely will
Speaker 9: stretch quality down to you at twenty four?
Speaker 10: Is it enough that I want to go up and
Speaker 10: get it?
Speaker 2: But that's the thing that the guys around the league
Speaker 2: are talking about right now, is that all the offense
Speaker 2: when you're sitting there at twenty four, and we again
Speaker 2: talked about this on the Draft Show today, you're sitting
Speaker 2: at twenty four and all these offensive players are going
Speaker 2: off the board, where's the offensive player for me at
Speaker 2: twenty four? I mean, Dallas best player on the board
Speaker 2: might be a defensive player at twenty four or no,
Speaker 2: and not to say they would take him, but if
Speaker 2: you look at all these quarterbacks going, all these offensive
Speaker 2: tackles going, some of these wide receivers going, the best
Speaker 2: player on the board might be a defensive player for
Speaker 2: this team. Now will they take him? I'm not saying
Speaker 2: they will, but yeah, well there you go back. But
Speaker 2: there you go. I've been in a draft room with
Speaker 2: these guys and the phone hasn't run. Trust me.
Speaker 4: I dropped on my knees one time praying that the
Speaker 4: phone would ring. Please, yeah, please ring? This their video
Speaker 4: of this?
Speaker 2: What's that? Their video of that? I wish there was.
Speaker 2: But seriously, you the room, the room gets like deathly
Speaker 2: quiet and like you you're just you're praying. And because
Speaker 2: you've laid the groundwork with all these guys, I mean,
Speaker 2: you've talked all these teams and told them, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: we're open. Come on, come up to us. We'll trade you. Come.
Speaker 2: But you know, you look what happened in the in
Speaker 2: the draft with with with the Travis Frederick. They blew
Speaker 2: the hatch and bailed with eighteen picks down or eighteen
Speaker 2: thirty one. Yeah, and you know, sometimes you don't get
Speaker 2: the value on that. Should you've got a second round
Speaker 2: on that when second round, well they took a third.
Speaker 2: Sometimes when you blow the hatches like that, you don't
Speaker 2: get the value of your pick.
Speaker 4: How late would you be willing to go down what's
Speaker 4: the last the last pick you'd be willing to ditch
Speaker 4: out of the first thirty eight?
Speaker 6: Thirty eight is where thirty.
Speaker 3: Eight I was gonna say, Bobby. Scenario with thirty six
Speaker 3: is that the commanders. It is the commanders, Yes, Dan Quinn,
Speaker 3: and that would make me. That would make me nervous
Speaker 3: as well. But I think you can maybe cross your
Speaker 3: fingers and hope. Like Zach Fery, do you feel like
Speaker 3: you could get the BYU tackle at thirty six?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, I think so too. I think so thank
Speaker 2: you'll be I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think if they're a run on tackles like you're
Speaker 3: talking about, I don't think Kingsley, Sua Matias last until
Speaker 3: thirty six.
Speaker 5: I think one of these three guys would be available,
Speaker 5: Sue Matia, Jordan Morgan, Tyler Guiden three would be available there.
Speaker 2: It depends on what they think Jordan Morgan is. Do
Speaker 2: they think is he a guard?
Speaker 3: And if so, if Tyler Smith playing tackle right, then
Speaker 3: Tyler plays tackle. And you feel good about Morgan at guard,
Speaker 3: you'll let bas and Hoffman I or maybe you take
Speaker 3: it center later.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's hund Nordals. I don't know if they take Morgan.
Speaker 4: I don't know if we're talking enough about him, because
Speaker 4: if he is viewed as a guard, it's the same
Speaker 4: scenario as an interior offensive lineman like Barton and Jackson and.
Speaker 2: The JC Latham conversation I had, I had, I had
Speaker 2: a scout in the league, not a cowboy scout, a
Speaker 2: scout in the league. I asked him about Latham. I said,
Speaker 2: do you think he could play left tackle? And he says, no,
Speaker 2: I don't. I think he's a right tackle. But I
Speaker 2: think he's an All Pro guard. He's made. That's That's
Speaker 2: what I mean. That guy, this this guy that scouts
Speaker 2: the Southwest area for a team, and he says, I
Speaker 2: don't think he could play left tackle, but I bet
Speaker 2: she's an All Pro guard.
Speaker 8: I do want to ask, I mean, what do you
Speaker 8: want to come on? Okay, yeah, I do want to ask.
Speaker 8: You mentioned that we haven't mentioned Jordan Morgan that much.
Speaker 8: I feel like at the start of the draft he
Speaker 8: was everybody was talking about him.
Speaker 7: What was the What shifted? Was it the combine?
Speaker 5: I think for a lot of people length, the length
Speaker 5: is a little concerning to a lot of people. That's
Speaker 5: probably where you start to slot him in at guard instead.
Speaker 5: But for me, durable tons of experience forty plus games, yes,
Speaker 5: didn't allow a lot of sacks, really good and pass
Speaker 5: pro really good to run blocking. Does he do anything exceptional?
Speaker 5: Probably not, But I think he does everything pretty damn well.
Speaker 5: I think he's an all round type player that can
Speaker 5: play guard at the next level and be good at
Speaker 5: doing it. Look, I am team Tyler Tyler Smith at
Speaker 5: left guard, but if they were to draft Jordan Morgan,
Speaker 5: I think he'd be great at left guard and Tyler
Speaker 5: Smith left.
Speaker 10: And I would say this, I don't.
Speaker 9: I think most of the time, whenever there's a discussion
Speaker 9: of when we're trying to figure out, you know, what
Speaker 9: changed or other things like that, I think a lot
Speaker 9: of the times it's we catch up to where media
Speaker 9: scout teams are. I don't think teams have cooled on
Speaker 9: Jordan Morgan. I think teams have if he like I mean,
Speaker 9: if he goes to the second round. I think tams
Speaker 9: Alway viewed him in the second round, and there there
Speaker 9: was probably discussion that was putting him more up in
Speaker 9: the first that teams were like, no, we don't necessarily
Speaker 9: agree with that. So I think very rarely is there
Speaker 9: like a strong push for a guy like that or
Speaker 9: or a big change of opinion. I think a lot
Speaker 9: of times it's just we're catching up to where teams
Speaker 9: are aut with.
Speaker 4: I watched him block a lot two from UCLA, made
Speaker 4: him go to the other side, his adjustments, like, I've
Speaker 4: had enough of this guy killing me all day. I
Speaker 4: think I'm gonna go to the other side.
Speaker 2: He'll find a way to beat our guy standing on
Speaker 2: one foot.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's his balance is let me go to
Speaker 6: you with the freshman from Scottsdale.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I'm gonna switch sides, all right, Yes, sir,
Speaker 3: what do you have for us?
Speaker 15: Hey, Allen from Joshua, Texas. I'm just saying I'm tired
Speaker 15: of our defense, the ball getting ran down their throat
Speaker 15: and the biggest games. I don't know if it's fixable
Speaker 15: in one draft, but or Zimmer is going to change things.
Speaker 10: But that's me, man.
Speaker 15: I know we need offensive tackle, but the defense and
Speaker 15: the run game, you know, the run defense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, we get it. We're here for you.
Speaker 3: I know you've Brian, You've made this assessment where I
Speaker 3: think we think a lot of the time stopping the
Speaker 3: run is okay. I need to get big bodies in
Speaker 3: the middle, and they do. They need to add size,
Speaker 3: and they thought they were doing so with Mosley safeties
Speaker 3: at Linebacker's tough, right, And I'm still hopeful that Mozzy
Speaker 3: ends up being a good player. You can't give up
Speaker 3: on a guy based on one year, don't It's just
Speaker 3: you took it out in the first round for a reason, right,
Speaker 3: So it.
Speaker 2: Didn't go well.
Speaker 3: You hope you're too He develops and he's got a
Speaker 3: guy in Mike Zimmer who certainly has done a great
Speaker 3: job developing defensive tackles throughout his career. But do you
Speaker 3: think that more of the issue? And Brian and then
Speaker 3: I want to get your thoughts Bobby, and we can
Speaker 3: kick it around. Is it that they are really that
Speaker 3: weak at defensive tackle? Is it more so the undersized
Speaker 3: linebackers or is it the constant issue they seem to
Speaker 3: always have as well with being able to set the
Speaker 3: edge consistently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think setting the edge is a big issue.
Speaker 2: I know we focus a lot on inside and what
Speaker 2: you know, Hankins and those guys were, but you know, Golston,
Speaker 2: I mean when I saw and I was working on
Speaker 2: the draft with Golston coming out of Iowa. I thought
Speaker 2: he was a Tank Lawrence type player when he would
Speaker 2: be able with the pass rush and then the ability
Speaker 2: to play the run. There were times in those Big
Speaker 2: Ten games you couldn't see the ball go outside of him.
Speaker 2: I feel sorry for the guy. They play him at tackle,
Speaker 2: they play him in, they play him and tackled in.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of Tyron Crawford. They can't find a
Speaker 2: spot for the guy, and all of a sudden, now
Speaker 2: you you know he's he's gone by the wayside, and
Speaker 2: you maybe waste a little bit of a guy there.
Speaker 2: But I think when you start to talk about the edge,
Speaker 2: you know they missed the guys like with the Layton
Speaker 2: vander Esher's and the Shawn Leaves, the guys that can
Speaker 2: run downhill, the guys that could fill the safeties that
Speaker 2: could fill they kind of figured out a little bit
Speaker 2: with digs. You know that you could run the ball
Speaker 2: on the outside there with digs, and with digs come
Speaker 2: up and play you and force the corner. You know,
Speaker 2: you need alley players, you need forced players, you need
Speaker 2: edge players.
Speaker 3: They were a little bit weak in all those areas, Bobby,
Speaker 3: one area that you fought for is safety. Do you
Speaker 3: think some of this can be remedied bot at Washington
Speaker 3: State kid? Yeah, Hicks Jayden Hicks Absolutely. I mean he's
Speaker 3: seeking Mitchell out there. Do you think some of this
Speaker 3: could be remedied more so since you're not into tackle
Speaker 3: when it comes to the second and third level, taking
Speaker 3: a linebacker, taking a safety.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So, I mean, I guess it comes down to
Speaker 9: when you see the Cowboys struggle and run defense, why, like, like,
Speaker 9: when you look at it, what is the issue? Like
Speaker 9: in years past, their issue was you know, during the
Speaker 9: christ of Charter, they were always coached like how fast
Speaker 9: they needed to play and a lot of times they
Speaker 9: got caught and over pursuit they would leave these massive
Speaker 9: angles where guys could cut back. That that was a
Speaker 9: problem that they were into at different times. Is this
Speaker 9: a talent problem? Is it a problem with you know
Speaker 9: guys in terms of their ability to read and react.
Speaker 9: Is it like you know, a size issue, like there
Speaker 9: there are these different things that you have to says,
Speaker 9: I don't think that when you look at how the
Speaker 9: Cowboys have addressed defensive tackle in recent years. Jonathan Hankins,
Speaker 9: Neville Gallimore, Quintin Bohanna, like, just different guys like this.
Speaker 9: That size hasn't always been the problem, like I mean,
Speaker 9: it's there are other problems with run fits and reeds
Speaker 9: and keys and everything else like that.
Speaker 10: So to me, I look at it and say, you
Speaker 10: need to get better.
Speaker 9: Obviously along the defensive line, linebackers, safeties like that, that's
Speaker 9: all stuff that that has to happen. To me, they
Speaker 9: are before they worry about depth or anything else, they
Speaker 9: have to figure out who is starting. So I'd love
Speaker 9: a safety that can, you know, like Jane Nicks, who
Speaker 9: can do what he does. I love Eddrian Cooper. I'd
Speaker 9: love to have him in here. Love to have a
Speaker 9: defensive tackle like McKinley Jackson if you have the capital
Speaker 9: to spend on that.
Speaker 2: What Yeah.
Speaker 10: And to me though, it's that the reason why I
Speaker 10: saw it the other way.
Speaker 2: If he just three hundred and sixty pounds not getting
Speaker 2: blocked and there's daring atch the four look at it,
Speaker 2: I'll look the other way. Just okay, just keep keep
Speaker 2: playing in there.
Speaker 9: Steven Stephen Jones said, you know, this week, maybe in
Speaker 9: last week, I can't remember, but Stephen Jones said that
Speaker 9: they are going to play Mazzie Smith more like what
Speaker 9: he was used to doing at Michigan. Yeah, and and
Speaker 9: so that right there, if you're gonna peck that out,
Speaker 9: you've already made the analysis of what type of a
Speaker 9: player he can be. You've got coaches that you believe in,
Speaker 9: and you want to have, you know, bring that out
Speaker 9: of him. And so to me, I think that if
Speaker 9: you're gonna set him somewhere, he's more comfortable and he
Speaker 9: gets here too, and the conditioning is better and everything else,
Speaker 9: I think that that's something that you have to be
Speaker 9: able to bank on, like of all the things they
Speaker 9: can't bank on, Like, I don't know why it would
Speaker 9: be a prioritization to say, well, I can't bank on
Speaker 9: my first rounder, but I can bank on the undrafted
Speaker 9: free agent center.
Speaker 2: No, you have to you have to bank on Mazie.
Speaker 9: And to me, that so for me, I recognize fixing
Speaker 9: the run defense in a lot of ways will have
Speaker 9: to come from fixing depth at all three levels. To me,
Speaker 9: the most immediate need to fix your run defense in
Speaker 9: terms of talent that you've assessed, you need a linebacker.
Speaker 9: Is there a linebacker that I would take in the
Speaker 9: first round. No, And so to me, it's the defensive
Speaker 9: side of the ball. Is not even really a question
Speaker 9: for me in the first round.
Speaker 4: To that or I think he said it perfectly because
Speaker 4: you hear about this all the time. Whenever it comes
Speaker 4: to building your offensive line, you build it from the
Speaker 4: inside out. You build it from center, and you go
Speaker 4: out to tackle, and you work that way from a
Speaker 4: roster building standpoint. Nate Newton says that all the time
Speaker 4: whenever we're talking about adding some roster stuff on the
Speaker 4: opposite side. You build from the front to the back.
Speaker 4: You build from your defensive line, you win in the trenches,
Speaker 4: then you add to the second level and you go
Speaker 4: to the backside. I don't think the Cowboys are horrific
Speaker 4: at safety. Now, is there room to improve? Absolutely, you
Speaker 4: can improve anywhere on that defense, especially against the run,
Speaker 4: like this gentleman was talking about a moment ago. If
Speaker 4: you're able to give some help to those linebackers at
Speaker 4: the second level, that's when I start building confidence in
Speaker 4: stopping the run. So I think a big defensive tackle
Speaker 4: can help. I think banking on Mazie and seeing him
Speaker 4: go back to what he did best at Michigan which
Speaker 4: was stop the run, clog up the middle, and not
Speaker 4: try this pass rush stuff that obviously didn't work as
Speaker 4: a rookie. I think Bobby's onto something here of building
Speaker 4: your team from the forward part to to the secondary
Speaker 4: and making it work from there strong up the middle.
Speaker 5: Let me ask really quick, if Mazie Smith is not
Speaker 5: ready for the start of the season, or he gets
Speaker 5: hurt at some point in the season, who's your one tech.
Speaker 5: Carl Davis Carl Davis practice squad for most of the
Speaker 5: year last year.
Speaker 4: I mean, we've moved Chauncey back and forth of one
Speaker 4: hundred times. You just throw him inside and see what happened.
Speaker 8: I would hope not they would put so he's put
Speaker 8: him back at his home edge rusher edge. I wanted
Speaker 8: to add really quickly. I wanted to add about you know,
Speaker 8: being able to set the edge. I do think it's
Speaker 8: going to be important for them to find an edge
Speaker 8: that is opposite of tank, that's disciplined, because we've just
Speaker 8: seen teams attack you there and have a lot of
Speaker 8: success there, and a lot of time when they when
Speaker 8: teams were running the ball on the Cowboys, it was
Speaker 8: bouncing to the outside. It wasn't just running up the interior,
Speaker 8: and with how teams are trying to attack those angles,
Speaker 8: it's going to become more of an issue. I've even
Speaker 8: talked about this draft is and the DM position as
Speaker 8: a whole is like it's really this or that with
Speaker 8: a lot of these guys. If you find an edge
Speaker 8: in the draft that's willing to rush the passer but
Speaker 8: also can stop the run at a high clip and
Speaker 8: really stay square and do it, then it's a luxury
Speaker 8: at this point. So edge is in need as well,
Speaker 8: A serious wonder that we probably should talk about a.
Speaker 2: Little bit more.
Speaker 7: Chop Robinson.
Speaker 2: To get off right. He does not want to shop Robinson.
Speaker 3: Shop Robinson will blow up the play and then he
Speaker 3: will not make the tackle or he will not finish
Speaker 3: the sack. But goodness gracious, the way he gets off
Speaker 3: the snap is insane.
Speaker 4: I think I'm done limiting Penn State linebackers or edge
Speaker 4: rushers coming out of college.
Speaker 2: I think I'm done waiting on that one. You know,
Speaker 2: this Michigan thing, we got a line developing here.
Speaker 3: I like this where we're going, all right, Zach Waldough,
Speaker 3: Oh it's up man, I'm glad you came.
Speaker 16: I appreciate it. Man, I'm bringing up a talk. We
Speaker 16: talked a lot about it in private.
Speaker 2: You know, I hate.
Speaker 16: Limiting Jordan Morgan to the interior. I was like, I've
Speaker 16: seen this guy with people that these other tackles haven't
Speaker 16: been able to whoop. I was like, I've seen Tyler
Speaker 16: guiding not being able to finish in the run game,
Speaker 16: consistently not playing.
Speaker 2: With leverage, even though I know he's a big dude.
Speaker 16: Sure, I was like, but you know, I've been against
Speaker 16: really tall tackles for a variety of reasons. That's one
Speaker 16: of the big reasons. I was like, this guy is
Speaker 16: the perfect size for the for the position. If a
Speaker 16: guy knows how to play with his hands, play with leverage,
Speaker 16: play with k me band, has the foot quickness, this
Speaker 16: guy could play tackle. But I go back to this
Speaker 16: team's done a lot of work with Jordan Morgan. I mean,
Speaker 16: we talked about it. I remember I brought it up
Speaker 16: to you in January. Sure, they asked him, was like,
Speaker 16: who's the team that you talked to the most throughout
Speaker 16: the bar says He named four teams, Arizona remember Arizona
Speaker 16: being one of them, but the Cowboys were one of them.
Speaker 16: He's like, they talked to me. We've talked a lot
Speaker 16: throughout the present.
Speaker 2: This was January. We go to the combine.
Speaker 16: Nick you had asked him about the Cowboys and he
Speaker 16: brought up the versatility of left tackle and right tackle,
Speaker 16: not necessarily guard.
Speaker 2: So I was like, we keep trying to limit him
Speaker 2: to the guard.
Speaker 16: And then they went to his pro day him Baltimore
Speaker 16: and the Jets spent a lot of time with him
Speaker 16: before all the work out. They have to stop the
Speaker 16: workout just because how much time they were spending with
Speaker 16: them pre pre all the other positional drills. That's just
Speaker 16: like for me, it was like I'm just banging that.
Speaker 16: This is me banging the table for sure, staying on
Speaker 16: the table. This guy can come in. He's gonna be
Speaker 16: a lot better than a lot of the guys are
Speaker 16: going to be drafted ahead of them, and I just
Speaker 16: have a sick fill and we're gonna pass on them,
Speaker 16: and he's gonna end up in Washington, who's doing.
Speaker 2: Their own homework on them, or San Francisco or San Francisco,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna watch him be a stud over there.
Speaker 2: That's my only thought there.
Speaker 3: No, I appreciate it. Well, but Brian, did he sell
Speaker 3: you anymore on Jordan Morgan? I know you were a
Speaker 3: fan of him early on as well.
Speaker 2: I appreciate him, by the way, I got lunch for
Speaker 2: you for that that speech you just made, right, Walda
Speaker 2: puts in the bark. Yeah, I do, I owe you
Speaker 2: for that one. No, I think I issue was right.
Speaker 2: We talked about this when the Draft show was rolling
Speaker 2: very early. Uh, this was a guy that Jordan Morgan was,
Speaker 2: you know, a guy that we watched very early. And
Speaker 2: I think you're right. There's a lot of qualities about
Speaker 2: but there's probably some things that you know, with Mike
Speaker 2: Salari the line coach, it's different with every line coach.
Speaker 2: You know, he has a certain type of way that
Speaker 2: he wants to play hands feet length. All these things
Speaker 2: are things that these offensive line coaches they go around,
Speaker 2: they kind of get their guys, and you know, Jordan
Speaker 2: Morgan might not fit exactly what they're looking for right
Speaker 2: now once they get them all together. I think he's
Speaker 2: a hell of a player and I think he made
Speaker 2: a great passionate speech. If we were in a war room,
Speaker 2: I would say you did your job today. He really did. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I think Jordan Morgan is in play in
Speaker 3: a trade back scenario, and that would be a Tyler
Speaker 3: Smith that tackle Morgan at guard, and then you still
Speaker 3: got to figure out center. But I mean, Nick, you
Speaker 3: were boots on the ground there at the combine. Did
Speaker 3: you get a vibe from Jordan Morgan a little twinkle
Speaker 3: in his eye when the Cowboys came up?
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think it's like most teams, it's kind of tough
Speaker 5: to tell at the combine because they're doing thirty two
Speaker 5: job interviews and some guys can't even decipher one from
Speaker 5: the other. But I think with Jordan Morgan, not only
Speaker 5: did they do homework on him at the Combine, they
Speaker 5: did it at the Senior Bowl, so they understand this guy.
Speaker 5: They understand what he can bring to the table. I
Speaker 5: think it's uh. I think it's an expectation of you
Speaker 5: know what you're getting whenever he arrives in the building,
Speaker 5: And that is different than if you get an Amarusmims
Speaker 5: or if you get a Tyler Guidon. You don't quite
Speaker 5: know exactly what you're getting from those guys. But also
Speaker 5: at the same on the same token, you asked yourself, Okay,
Speaker 5: what does this player look like? In four years from
Speaker 5: now when I'm thinking about this fifth year option, is
Speaker 5: a Tyler Guiden or a Marius Smims going to develop
Speaker 5: at a trajectory that puts them way above Jordan Morgan
Speaker 5: by that time. You also have to be able to
Speaker 5: be comfortable not only your scouting but your development in
Speaker 5: that same sense.
Speaker 9: I also, and look, I think Jordan Morgan's a good player.
Speaker 9: I think that, you know, I think he can absolutely
Speaker 9: play tackle. But I think the idea of saying that
Speaker 9: if teams were to say he's primarily a guard, I
Speaker 9: don't think, especially in today's NFL, where so much of
Speaker 9: it is get the ball out quickly and a gap
Speaker 9: pressure is such a big deal. I don't know that
Speaker 9: talking about somebody's at their guard that that teams would
Speaker 9: think of that as limiting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's a negative anything.
Speaker 9: I think that teams view that as that's a valuable
Speaker 9: part of the offensive line and it's part of an
Speaker 9: entire unit that they're trying to build. I also think
Speaker 9: that it's important to when we hear the discussions that
Speaker 9: the Cowboys have when it's like, hey, they talked to
Speaker 9: him here, they talk to him here, they talk to
Speaker 9: him here. Yes, a lot of times that can indicate
Speaker 9: they really like him. Also at other times it can
Speaker 9: indicate we have to figure him out because we're not
Speaker 9: comfortable with things. Sure, And so I think that whenever
Speaker 9: you see that, it can mean one or the other.
Speaker 9: It doesn't have to mean that they're not comfortable things.
Speaker 9: It doesn't have to mean that they're in love with them.
Speaker 9: But I think that when you see a lot of
Speaker 9: attention paid to a player a lot of different meetings,
Speaker 9: I think a lot of times they're saying to themselves,
Speaker 9: we need to get answers here that maybe we're not
Speaker 9: comfortable with yet.
Speaker 4: And I mean you can even look whenever we put
Speaker 4: together this Dallas Cowboys Draft guide, which is beautiful and
Speaker 4: you should all get it, we tend to put guys
Speaker 4: on the front that we have a feeling that could
Speaker 4: be the pick or just has name value.
Speaker 2: He's on the front because he fits the mold.
Speaker 4: He's on the front of the magazine because he has
Speaker 4: an opportunity to go to the next level and have
Speaker 4: some success. And that was about a month and a
Speaker 4: half prior to where we sit now, a week ahead
Speaker 4: from the draft.
Speaker 2: So there's been thought about Jordan Morgan, and if.
Speaker 4: They do pass on him, to Bobby's point, it's because
Speaker 4: they have a reason, They have something that popped up
Speaker 4: through the process, or they just have another prospect that
Speaker 4: they had higher on their board and they didn't window
Speaker 4: dress it. He could fit you a need the same
Speaker 4: way that Graham Barton could, the same way that a J. C.
Speaker 4: Latham could or some of these other guys. It fills
Speaker 4: a need, but it depends on where the value is
Speaker 4: with the players around him and who's on the board
Speaker 4: at that time.
Speaker 3: No question, I usul, do you do you want to
Speaker 3: bounce for your guy Jordan Morgan? Or or do you
Speaker 3: kind of agree with where we're going?
Speaker 2: You guys, have you sailed it?
Speaker 7: He don't care about nothing you talking about.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 7: He's gonna feel a.
Speaker 6: Way that's good team trade back as well. I would
Speaker 6: assume Jordan, let's go.
Speaker 2: I know you do all right?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, all right, Ron, you need to keep
Speaker 3: this kosher, bro Honey to make sure no f bombs
Speaker 3: here their children at home.
Speaker 9: I was gonna say, broad Us is probably worried about
Speaker 9: what's about to come out.
Speaker 2: I'm out, we all are. But I have a filter.
Speaker 2: Everybody's got a notes app. This is impressive. Do you
Speaker 2: think this.
Speaker 9: Year's draft could be more about next year's draft after
Speaker 9: McCarthy and maybe Dak are both gone?
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's real talk.
Speaker 16: What if Jerry goes with Dion and his son next year,
Speaker 16: or if you can draft up and take Pendix.
Speaker 2: Junior this year?
Speaker 13: What do you do?
Speaker 9: And remember if you're not hanging out with JORDI ran
Speaker 9: drinking Jim Bean on one A five three of the fan?
Speaker 2: Where are you at? S A guy?
Speaker 3: We love you, Ron, thank you so much. Yes, run
Speaker 3: of a plus a run he nails it every every
Speaker 3: Friday at five twenty?
Speaker 2: What' you're drinking?
Speaker 3: What you're thinking? Aisha? How do we feel about Ron's question?
Speaker 3: I mean you immediately went and buried your head behind
Speaker 3: you and notebook.
Speaker 7: No, I don't have a I don't have a lot
Speaker 7: to say about.
Speaker 2: I will say, I'll say this, I'll say I'll speak up,
Speaker 2: I'll speak up here.
Speaker 16: Uh.
Speaker 2: This is a This is unusual in a lot of
Speaker 2: different ways for scouts and for coaches, because you do
Speaker 2: have coaches that are on one year deals, and you
Speaker 2: have a head coach that's on a one year deal
Speaker 2: or he's so. Now you're in a situation where, uh,
Speaker 2: you're you're wondering as a as a player personnel department,
Speaker 2: we just we got to put this board together for
Speaker 2: who we think the best players are. Whether you know,
Speaker 2: the coaches have input. I worked here for a long time.
Speaker 2: Coach has always had input here, always maybe at times
Speaker 2: too much. You know, I never called a third down defense,
Speaker 2: you know, but they would come into my area and
Speaker 2: tell me why this guy could play or this guy
Speaker 2: couldn't play. So I think they're in a very very
Speaker 2: unusual situation. I think will Jerry Steven have to manage
Speaker 2: this in a way that their board is put together
Speaker 2: the truest board that they could put together for how
Speaker 2: this team is going to be this season and the
Speaker 2: into the future. Yes, you could think about you know
Speaker 2: that you could ask the coaches, hey, what would you
Speaker 2: how would you like us to draft this board? You know,
Speaker 2: if you have a little bit of more stability to that,
Speaker 2: if you've had some continuity. They had a lot of
Speaker 2: continuity with Jason Garrett for ten years. Scouts knew exactly
Speaker 2: what they were doing when they were looking for players
Speaker 2: for that staff. So to me, it is a little
Speaker 2: bit of a tightrope that you walk, but you also
Speaker 2: have to say you know and I know again Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 2: My relationship with Mike Mike is a hey, I like
Speaker 2: this kind of a player, but bring me whoever you
Speaker 2: want to bring me. And I think that's the attitude
Speaker 2: that you have to have going into this as a
Speaker 2: personnel department. You got to put the board to put
Speaker 2: the board together the best you can and play it
Speaker 2: in a way that is best for today and then
Speaker 2: for tomorrow, regardless of who's coaching this football team.
Speaker 3: I think some thought to what you were asking there,
Speaker 3: Ron and Bobby, I wonder your thoughts on this with
Speaker 3: the fact that yes, it is kind of Hey, you
Speaker 3: don't have a lot of future right now locked up
Speaker 3: with your staff. What do we talk about trading up
Speaker 3: or your players? We talk about moving picks for next year?
Speaker 3: Are you more open to do that because I might
Speaker 3: not be here next year? What do I care about
Speaker 3: those picks for?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, I mean I think that the front office
Speaker 2: ain't going anywhere, the front office, but the coach.
Speaker 3: But but Mike McCarthy might be like, hey, no, no,
Speaker 3: but I want this guy. No, No, don't sell me
Speaker 3: on next year's raft. You know, I don't know that
Speaker 3: I got a job.
Speaker 2: If I was Mike McCarthy, I would have been to
Speaker 2: Will mcclay's office every single day going what are we
Speaker 2: doing in free agency? Why can't we go get what
Speaker 2: are we doing? Explain to me what's going on here?
Speaker 2: You know, Mike McCarthy took the approach I believe of Okay,
Speaker 2: I trust you, guys, Mike McCarthy. You got to remember
Speaker 2: I came from the same program he did in Green Bay.
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy did not He just by way of it,
Speaker 2: head coach coaches don't have it, didn't have a whole
Speaker 2: lot to say the player. The players were drafted by
Speaker 2: the front office. The coaches at a hell of a
Speaker 2: job at coaching. You know, there was some interaction stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Mike is getting the first opportunity. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is what it's fifth draft now, fourth draft that
Speaker 2: we've had here with him. This is the first rule
Speaker 2: opportunity he's ever had of going in and Jerry Jones,
Speaker 2: Stephen Jones looking at him and going what do you
Speaker 2: think here? And then he have an opinion Because in
Speaker 2: Green Bay Ted Thompson would draft the players, So you know,
Speaker 2: that's that's really different for him. But to me, I
Speaker 2: still think that they're going to have a say, but
Speaker 2: you have to be mindful of that, you know, you
Speaker 2: have to be mindful is this guy the best player
Speaker 2: for what we're trying to do right now? You know,
Speaker 2: And that's and that's how you have to approach it.
Speaker 8: I think the defensive coach might. I think Zimmer is
Speaker 8: gonna have some input, but maybe not as much as
Speaker 8: dan Quinn.
Speaker 2: Dan Quinn had a ton of it, because lots of it.
Speaker 8: There were plenty of times we would just be like, oh,
Speaker 8: that's a dan Quinn guy. Sure, definitely a dan Quinn guy.
Speaker 8: David Eddie is too, So I wonder if that comes
Speaker 8: in play as well, with Mike McCarthy having a little
Speaker 8: bit more say with that gentleman out of the building
Speaker 8: now and over.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't I disagree.
Speaker 9: I think dan Quinn and Mike Zimmer and the way
Speaker 9: the Cowboys have generally built their personnel staff and the
Speaker 9: way that their personnel staff interacts with their coaching staff,
Speaker 9: and the way that they gather information and you know,
Speaker 9: have open lines of communications.
Speaker 10: Say what do you like?
Speaker 9: You know, what are the kind of things that you
Speaker 9: look for in players. All Right, now we know what
Speaker 9: you like, we're gonna go find it for you. Now
Speaker 9: we're gonna make the evaluation. But you tell them what
Speaker 9: you like, I'm gonna go out there and find it.
Speaker 9: And in terms of looking ahead to next year, the
Speaker 9: Cowboys have had uncertainty with their coaching staff just about
Speaker 9: every single year. It's just with different reasons. You gotta remember,
Speaker 9: they've spent three straight drafts with Dan Quinn thinking this
Speaker 9: could be dan Quinn's last year here. This could be
Speaker 9: Dirty's last year here, this could be Joe Witt, Al Harris,
Speaker 9: whoever else like these could all be their last year here.
Speaker 9: And yet they still routinely go back and go, so, okay,
Speaker 9: dan Quinn, you might be gone next year, but you
Speaker 9: really like Eric Scott, and Eric Scott really fixed a
Speaker 9: lot of what you want.
Speaker 10: Let's go get him, you know.
Speaker 9: They they had a decent sense that they thought, you know,
Speaker 9: Rod Marrionelli twenty nineteen, this might be the end for you,
Speaker 9: and yet they still you like Tristan Hill, that's the type.
Speaker 10: Of player you like.
Speaker 9: So routinely they have shown a history of we are
Speaker 9: focused on what we know right now we cannot get.
Speaker 9: You know, it's control what you can control, which is
Speaker 9: a you know, mantra that's talked about in NFL rooms
Speaker 9: everywhere outside of Dallas, like Dallas and everywhere else talks
Speaker 9: about that. And what they can control is their lines
Speaker 9: of information, their lines of communication with their coaching staff,
Speaker 9: and that coaching staff they have now they can't project
Speaker 9: out and say, well, let me guess who is the
Speaker 9: next defensive coordinator and what they're gonna think or whatever else.
Speaker 9: And so I think Zimmer, even here, you know, just
Speaker 9: year one and everything else, I think one hundred percent
Speaker 9: equally will have the same voice that Quinn does.
Speaker 4: See, I'm right there with you because whenever you look
Speaker 4: at the way that this contract is one year deal left,
Speaker 4: it's easy to look at him and say, Mike McCarthy's
Speaker 4: going to be here down the road, or he's not
Speaker 4: going to be here down the road, depending on what
Speaker 4: happens in twenty twenty four. It's a year to year
Speaker 4: league anyways, that's the NFL. We've seen coaches fired after
Speaker 4: sixteen games. We've seen coaches fired after sixteen years. I mean,
Speaker 4: look at Bell Belichick. No longer the coach with the
Speaker 4: New England. That's because he couldn't draft at the end,
Speaker 4: which is fair, but that's part of it. He's one
Speaker 4: of the greatest coaches of all times. Tom Landry has
Speaker 4: had the same problem here. He's won six Super Bowls.
Speaker 4: It's a year to year league in the NFL. If
Speaker 4: you is a what have you done for me lately?
Speaker 4: And that's the thing is if they go into it.
Speaker 4: I think the only time that this possibly plays a
Speaker 4: factor is if it's one player versus the other who's
Speaker 4: going to play more now as opposed to down the road.
Speaker 2: I think it might come into those conversations.
Speaker 4: But whatever it comes to the building the board and
Speaker 4: putting these names on top of another, I don't think
Speaker 4: a lot changes depending on the coaching stat.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what, if they draft anything other than
Speaker 5: offensive line, and with that first pick they are drafting
Speaker 5: for the future, they are not drafting for this season.
Speaker 2: That's not happened Spicy form, Nick Harris.
Speaker 3: I'm with you, though, I mean, I like what you're
Speaker 3: saying there, Bobby, and I do think that that might
Speaker 3: be one of the things the Cowboys do best with
Speaker 3: Will McLay and his scouts going to position coaches, going
Speaker 3: to the coordinators and saying, hey, give me a description.
Speaker 2: What are you looking for? What do you like? And
Speaker 2: they come back and they're able to build their board
Speaker 2: that way. Just real quick. I'm sorry, I'll get Yeah,
Speaker 2: you brought up about Michael Pennix. Nobody benefited more from
Speaker 2: a falling quarterback in the first round than Mike McCarthy
Speaker 2: with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers, nobody benefited more. Now I'm
Speaker 2: saying that Salmon Green, Hey, that's drafted quarterback. Teddy Thompson
Speaker 2: had no intention of taking a quarterback when he took
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. He was taking a defensive lineman. And that
Speaker 2: just shows you Sometimes it's like, you know, you step
Speaker 2: up and you say, we can't pass on this guy.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things going on. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of balls in the air in this organization about your quarterback.
Speaker 3: If Michael Pennix Junior is there at twenty four of hands,
Speaker 3: who's considering drafting him?
Speaker 7: Can you hold him?
Speaker 5: You already took your quarterback in this draft with Trey Lance.
Speaker 5: Did you horth round pick? Cause Penix you have to be.
Speaker 6: Quarterback.
Speaker 3: He's got that special about him. Now, and I'm not
Speaker 3: saying that Dak Prescott. Maybe he is the quarterback of
Speaker 3: the future here and they're sold on him, and I
Speaker 3: all right, that's fine. So I don't think that they'd
Speaker 3: really consider that, because I do think that's how they feel.
Speaker 2: If they had not traded for Trey Lance. I would
Speaker 2: go with you on this one. I'm with you, and
Speaker 2: I like Trey. I mean, I'm longing to see what
Speaker 2: you have with they had they had a second round,
Speaker 2: a high second round grade on Trey Lance. That's on
Speaker 2: their board. There's probably twenty I have twenty two names.
Speaker 2: He may be his player twenty who's better for you?
Speaker 2: Between Penix or Lance? I had Lance higher. He had
Speaker 2: Lance higher. So you're absolutely not considering that. Then, well no,
Speaker 2: I'm not. But I mean, like to me, but if
Speaker 2: you're looking at the situation and you're in your quarterback's
Speaker 2: not signed, I think you absolutely have to look at
Speaker 2: a court.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you've got to have that conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think guys, you guys want to know something. I'd
Speaker 4: literally just looked this up. I was curious.
Speaker 2: Trey Lance is one younger than Michael Pennock.
Speaker 7: You're going to jail Yeah, you have to tell was
Speaker 7: born older.
Speaker 4: Quarterback Trey Lance was born on May ninth, two thousand
Speaker 4: and Michael Pennox Junior was May eighth of two thousand and.
Speaker 2: Bobby, you don't have to raise your hand. I know
Speaker 2: how you feel about that.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 3: But that's a trade back scenario of Pennix is there?
Speaker 3: I think that might be a great scenario for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a scenario at all. Sorry, No,
Speaker 3: to trade back for another team wanting to move up?
Speaker 3: Get a phone right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh I thought you said trade back to draft Michael.
Speaker 3: It's great if the Cowboys. Yeah, is on the board.
Speaker 3: Do you get a call from a team?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 9: And I would say, just to Brian's point talking about
Speaker 9: the the Aaron Rodgers fault, which Stint Rodgers went twenty four,
Speaker 9: didn't he Yeah, So, I mean it's the same spot
Speaker 9: the the the comp to that for me.
Speaker 10: Would be Drake May falls to twenty four.
Speaker 9: You're talking about a guy who, like Rogers Smith, they
Speaker 9: were like right there as number one pick. Pennix is
Speaker 9: already a guy who you're talking about might be in
Speaker 9: that range is where he's supposed to go.
Speaker 10: And you know, he's He's very impressive. I love him.
Speaker 10: He's my third rank quarterback.
Speaker 9: There's still the question that you have to ask about
Speaker 9: his medicals as well, because I mean, the guy has
Speaker 9: has had a lot of knee issue.
Speaker 2: He has throughout his career. Yeah he has. What do
Speaker 2: we got next?
Speaker 3: Up?
Speaker 2: What's up? What's that?
Speaker 17: Jacob from Killer?
Speaker 2: What's up? Jacob? Okay? So Cooper the.
Speaker 17: Best Iowa prospect draft since Kaitlyn Clark, or like Newton,
Speaker 17: well done, thank you, thank you? Or Newton is on
Speaker 17: the board and that gets Washington to call, or Thomas
Speaker 17: is there the wide receiver that gets Carolina to call.
Speaker 17: I think that's a team that we haven't talked about
Speaker 17: yet to draft up.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 17: I wouldn't trust Deontay Johnson to leave my wide receiver
Speaker 17: room in Adam Thielen.
Speaker 2: I don't know. So, uh they're there.
Speaker 17: Would you take the defensive tackle, take an offensive lineman,
Speaker 17: or would you try and trade back with one of
Speaker 17: those teams that's calling you?
Speaker 5: Depends on what offensive linemen are on the board. But
Speaker 5: let's assume Barton and Fatanu they're off the board. I'm
Speaker 5: engaging in that call for sure. I think, especially with
Speaker 5: the it's Caroline and Washington you did. I think, especially
Speaker 5: with the receiver conversation, there's a lot of receiver needy
Speaker 5: teams from about twenty.
Speaker 6: Eight to thirty eight, and you can get a team
Speaker 6: to overpay.
Speaker 5: I think you can get a team to overpay and
Speaker 5: jump up to twenty four to go ahead and grab
Speaker 5: a Brian Thomas junor or an Xavier Worthy or something
Speaker 5: something to that sense.
Speaker 3: Any of those players that you would, uh. I mean,
Speaker 3: if Barton's not there, I'm certainly open to moving back.
Speaker 2: I like Newton. I don't think we've talked a lot
Speaker 2: about Newton.
Speaker 3: I think Newton you probably don't take considering to your
Speaker 3: point with Mazzi, but Aisha, I mean, tell us a
Speaker 3: little bit about Newton from Illinois.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 8: That's what I was about to say, though, is like
Speaker 8: the reason why he's not getting no love like that
Speaker 8: is because Byron Murphy has just taking all of it consistently.
Speaker 8: But if you look at just how disruptive he is
Speaker 8: off the line of scrimmage. I noticed him last year
Speaker 8: when we were looking at the draft. Who's the guy
Speaker 8: that got picked up from Illinois last year? Brown Yeah,
Speaker 8: it was actually quite a and I noticed him last
Speaker 8: year and he just flies off.
Speaker 7: He just flies up field, strong, heavy hands.
Speaker 8: The thing about it is, like we've talked about it
Speaker 8: on the show, is like, yeah, but he's a three
Speaker 8: tech technically, you know, or he's one of those guys
Speaker 8: and the nose tackle position is something that is I
Speaker 8: don't know, it's just hard to come across. So it's
Speaker 8: like I wouldn't take him just because he's a three tech,
Speaker 8: like we talked about. I have seen Byron Murphy do
Speaker 8: some one tech things. I haven't seen Newton have to
Speaker 8: do that as much, So that would make me a
Speaker 8: little bit more hesitant. But him as a pass rusher
Speaker 8: is he's he's going to cause some problems.
Speaker 2: This guy's a load to deal with.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's a problem.
Speaker 2: He has a problem because you see him split double teams. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, you see a guy play with power for
Speaker 2: his size, his movements. He's a little bit of a
Speaker 2: shorter guy, but he's explosive and they try and double
Speaker 2: team him. The next thing, you know, it's a tackle
Speaker 2: for the loss. He we we we really haven't given
Speaker 2: him the do that he deserves. There. I think there
Speaker 2: is some verse statility this guy, you know, because they,
Speaker 2: like I said, they trying to get him in the
Speaker 2: running game. He's able to beat blocks at the point
Speaker 2: of attack, when he's past Russ stuff, He's able to
Speaker 2: get up the field. He could be disruptive in the pocket.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Johnny Newton, Illinois, That's that's a guy someone
Speaker 2: we're gonna be talking about it on the one of
Speaker 2: the nights and when of the afternoons in the draft,
Speaker 2: and like he gets picked and we're gonna go, that's
Speaker 2: a Dan Webber takes and that's a good patch.
Speaker 7: Murphy are closer than what peeped up.
Speaker 2: I agree. I don't think some people might have Newton ahead.
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, Yes, sir, Hello Sean former U
Speaker 2: and t Eagle. Oh there we go CA last year
Speaker 2: down to South Texas. This year, drove up from Portlanwaka
Speaker 2: to see you guys.
Speaker 6: Oh, let's so much Calhoun uh San Crab Oh okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 6: there we go, there we go.
Speaker 2: What's okay?
Speaker 18: The first round tackle conversation all had earlier with a
Speaker 18: mimes gotten and a subemtia. What is a conversation in
Speaker 18: the room with these guys if they don't feel comfortable
Speaker 18: out of camp. If Mims are gotten can start week one.
Speaker 18: Uh at Sumatilla has guardflex being six or five as
Speaker 18: opposed to six to eight. For the two guys who
Speaker 18: may like some leverage on the inside, you could let
Speaker 18: the winner take all at left tackle and the other
Speaker 18: guy kicks into left guards.
Speaker 10: Bobby, Yeah, I mean I think that if.
Speaker 9: I think that if they were to take one of
Speaker 9: those guys, they're doing it with the idea that we're
Speaker 9: gonna be ready to go. We're gonna have these guys
Speaker 9: ready to roll with us at the start of the season.
Speaker 9: So I don't think necessarily they'd be picking based on, well,
Speaker 9: what if they're not ready, Like, I don't think it
Speaker 9: would be with that in mind. Uh And I though
Speaker 9: if they were to take mems Geiton Suamatia, if they
Speaker 9: were to take one of those guys, I think that
Speaker 9: if they didn't end up playing right away, it would
Speaker 9: be because they had already determined when they picked them
Speaker 9: what they were gonna do with their offensive line, and
Speaker 9: that they determined it would be Tyler Smith, TJ. Bass, Brock, Kauffman,
Speaker 9: and that that was the plan they were gonna have.
Speaker 9: You got I remember there was there was a lot
Speaker 9: of discussion in training camp before Tyron Smith got hurt.
Speaker 9: There's a lot of people wondering, Tyler Smith is still
Speaker 9: not getting first team reps as a rookie. He was
Speaker 9: not He wasn't getting the reps at guard. Yeah, Tyron
Speaker 9: Smith was getting attack. It was only after Tyron Smith
Speaker 9: got hurt that they went ahead and put Tyler Smith
Speaker 9: in there regularly. So they had drafted Tyler Smith seemingly
Speaker 9: comfortable with the idea that he may not even start
Speaker 9: this year. So I think that if they were to
Speaker 9: make that decision of you're not starting right away, I
Speaker 9: don't know that they necessarily think about it from the
Speaker 9: angle of well, what can we get out of him
Speaker 9: right now?
Speaker 10: What can we do right now?
Speaker 9: And so I think that either they're drafting somebody for
Speaker 9: what they can be in the future and looking ahead
Speaker 9: to their depth and potential holes into the future, or
Speaker 9: you know, they're drafting them with a specific idea of
Speaker 9: mind if you're playing right now and you're playing here
Speaker 9: and yeah, look suamatya, I mean they I think the
Speaker 9: fact that he's shown he.
Speaker 10: Can play left and right.
Speaker 9: Zach Martin talked about this with Tyler Smith that if
Speaker 9: you can flip sides, that's a much more differ transition
Speaker 9: then bumping inside because a lot of the footwork on
Speaker 9: the run blocking is exactly the same, So that doesn't
Speaker 9: really have anything that you got to change up, and
Speaker 9: so it kind of cuts in half what you have
Speaker 9: to learn. So I mean, if they believe that Suamatia
Speaker 9: could do that, then I think they would well.
Speaker 4: And it depends on what you have with Matt will
Speaker 4: Let's Go and Awesome Richards as well. These are two
Speaker 4: drafted players in the past that you have to see
Speaker 4: something out of if you want to see him at
Speaker 4: that point. Now, do you expect Awesome Richards and Matt
Speaker 4: will Let's Go to magically be healthy and magically be
Speaker 4: ready to start going into the year?
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not.
Speaker 4: And I think if you're drafting an offensive lineman in
Speaker 4: the first round, you expect him to be over those
Speaker 4: two guys.
Speaker 2: But who knows, if they.
Speaker 4: Come back and they're healthy and you're able to roll
Speaker 4: in the right direction, I think there's a way that
Speaker 4: you could see some back and forth.
Speaker 3: Initially, Yeah, I think in Brian, I know we've talked
Speaker 3: about this on the fan because early on I was
Speaker 3: arguing with Gavin about this where they that we were
Speaker 3: talking about, Okay, if Tyre and we're here right, well,
Speaker 3: Tyrone's not, he's a New York Jet. But when you're
Speaker 3: drafting in the first round, you're drafting a player that
Speaker 3: you hope is a five year member of your team
Speaker 3: and that you get a second contract on, you're not
Speaker 3: necessarily saying, yeah, I've got a massive need right here,
Speaker 3: so I need to pull the trigger on the X
Speaker 3: player because he fills a need and can plug and play. Now,
Speaker 3: you're drafting the best player that's gonna be the best
Speaker 3: fit for your team over the course of those five years,
Speaker 3: and I do think that Sue Mattia would probably be
Speaker 3: a great option because of the position flexibility. To that point,
Speaker 3: even if it got it's frustrating to the fan base.
Speaker 3: You want to see your first round pick play immediately.
Speaker 3: If he's not ready, they're not going to put him
Speaker 3: out there, and they've got some other options, but it
Speaker 3: doesn't change the fact that most likely that guy's playing
Speaker 3: and giving you snaps. Because we've seen how difficult it
Speaker 3: is to make it seventeen games with a healthy offensive
Speaker 3: line throughout the entire season. You need that depth. So
Speaker 3: eventually that guy will be a starter, hopefully is day one.
Speaker 3: If he's not, he's going to give you playing time.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't mean that it's a bad for Trump pick.
Speaker 6: Yeah, cheu media DOGA or a first round pick there
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 5: I think I think with with the first round pick,
Speaker 5: you have to have the expectation that he's coming in
Speaker 5: to give snaps. You have to have that expectation that
Speaker 5: there's there's nothing else about it.
Speaker 6: And then that's why.
Speaker 2: I can't stand you sometimes.
Speaker 5: That's why I have a little bit of pause when
Speaker 5: it comes to the Tyler guidance of the Amarus mems.
Speaker 5: But I will keep that to yourself next time.
Speaker 7: I just you're gonna blame me too, because I feel
Speaker 7: the same way.
Speaker 6: I don't think I'm going come on, come on, bandwagon,
Speaker 6: join the bandwagon.
Speaker 8: Got blame you think you have that luxury with where
Speaker 8: you are contractually with your quarterback and all this other
Speaker 8: stuff going on. And then also to you just this
Speaker 8: team's aerial attack was its strength last year and I
Speaker 8: just think that if you were talking about left tackle,
Speaker 8: I don't want to play around with that at all.
Speaker 7: And also too. I just think you need contributors right away.
Speaker 8: With how last year's draft went, I don't think I
Speaker 8: think you need to count on those first three guys
Speaker 8: giving you something.
Speaker 2: Do you if they if they were to take Kingsley
Speaker 2: so much? Do you not think he plays, Oh, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be happy time.
Speaker 7: I think he earns that.
Speaker 2: But is it a disappointment if he's not ready to
Speaker 2: go day one? Yes?
Speaker 8: Yes, okay, especially hey listen, I would I don't know
Speaker 8: about other humans. I don't know about other teams, but
Speaker 8: this team has people outside. Like we talk about how
Speaker 8: much offensive line is just a continued developmental thing. They
Speaker 8: have a guy that comes around here often called Duke,
Speaker 8: and he gets a lot of these guys. He's a
Speaker 8: luxury go as opposed to some of these other offensive linemens,
Speaker 8: so he'll get the work he needs. I just you
Speaker 8: can't you need You need stability there right away to me,
Speaker 8: real quickly, just.
Speaker 2: To see how consistent.
Speaker 4: Would you categorize Mazzie Smith as a disappointment this past year.
Speaker 3: Because you didn't play right away? Correct, That's not the
Speaker 3: reason he's not a disappointment, but his play on the
Speaker 3: field was disappointing.
Speaker 4: But if you draft a guy in the first round,
Speaker 4: you draft an offensive lineman, you expect him to play initially,
Speaker 4: and when he plays well and gives you taped thing
Speaker 4: what Mazzie showed me, it's not a disappointment because he
Speaker 4: didn't start Week one because you had a guy ready
Speaker 4: to rock in Jonathan Hankins.
Speaker 3: But were you not excited about the possibility of Mozzie Smith?
Speaker 3: Did you think Mazzie Smith was going to start? Because yeah,
Speaker 3: Jonathan Hankins, I agree with you.
Speaker 5: I agree with you there, but that's when you factor
Speaker 5: in that offensive tackle was so much more valuable than
Speaker 5: defensive tackle.
Speaker 6: Whereas he when he would needed to be called upon.
Speaker 5: Whenever Jonathan Hankins went down, he wasn't ready to fill
Speaker 5: that role, right and whereas.
Speaker 3: Now if this scenario happened, he wasn't ready to fill
Speaker 3: that role, then I'd be upset.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, But I think the differences last year you weren't
Speaker 5: necessarily drafting for need. This time you are a lot
Speaker 5: more so. And I think whenever you're drafted for that
Speaker 5: need at there at twenty four, you got to get
Speaker 5: an offensive lineman that can come in.
Speaker 3: I know, we got to get to this question. I
Speaker 3: think they did draft Mazzie for need. I think we
Speaker 3: heard yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean that there was a need obviously, but it's
Speaker 5: not as big of a need as you're looking at
Speaker 5: right now at twenty four because you look, you look
Speaker 5: at all the free agents that have left this offseason.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, last offseason, they have to nail the draft.
Speaker 5: We were talking about either defensive tackle or offensive line
Speaker 5: at twenty four right up until the end, whereas this
Speaker 5: time around, we've been talking about offensive line since the
Speaker 5: season ended against Green Bay's like, well, you gotta go
Speaker 5: get an offensive linean at twenty four and like the
Speaker 5: Audish and Tyrone Smith weren't even out the build yet.
Speaker 3: I hear what you say, if, but to me, it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter what position you take. If it doesn't start
Speaker 3: day one, I don't think it's a It means it's
Speaker 3: a bust of a pick. I just want to be
Speaker 3: able to contribute at some point and eventually be a starter.
Speaker 4: We're not talking about a bust of a pick here, though,
Speaker 4: We're talking about a disappointment, disappointment regardless.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the difference.
Speaker 4: I haven't given up on Mazie either, but disappointing give
Speaker 4: day yes or year one yes?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: I don't think it was usually didn't start week one
Speaker 2: for me? God, what I would say question Eric from
Speaker 2: Fort Worth.
Speaker 19: I know that over the cop overthcap dot Com has
Speaker 19: us for three fifth rounders a sixth rounder for next
Speaker 19: year for the comp picks.
Speaker 2: One of those I know is Tyron Smith based on
Speaker 2: his playing incentives?
Speaker 19: Can that move from a fifth to a four to
Speaker 19: a third based on you know, if he's hitting those
Speaker 19: game incentives? And then with that, because we have four
Speaker 19: comp picks for twenty twenty five, do you'll see us
Speaker 19: maybe using potential picks twenty twenty five to hit positions
Speaker 19: of need middle rounds because we have so many holes.
Speaker 2: You can actually trade those two, which is cool. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it opens up a lot of options for you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it opens with a lot of options. The part about
Speaker 2: the guy at the playtime turns into where he's a
Speaker 2: starter and all that stuff like that? Does that I
Speaker 2: don't know how that works on that well.
Speaker 9: I mean a lot of it's hard to understand because
Speaker 9: it's a it's not a public FRA secret. It's it's
Speaker 9: not a public formula. I mean, there are parameters that
Speaker 9: are issued in the CBA that you can read, you
Speaker 9: can see generally how they factor it in, but they
Speaker 9: don't give you specific formula of how they come up
Speaker 9: with it. That's why teams sometimes maybe expecting, oh, we're
Speaker 9: going to get a fourth throw on comp for that guy,
Speaker 9: and then they find out it's a fifth and so
Speaker 9: it's not anything that they would that specifically wouldn't be
Speaker 9: like that sort of a specific isn't something that would
Speaker 9: be public. I remember reading though, right after that the
Speaker 9: assumption was based on history of the way you see
Speaker 9: another deals play out, that they don't hit the incent
Speaker 9: like it's it's got to be whatever the straight read
Speaker 9: of the contract is initially rather than potent sentence. But again,
Speaker 9: that's very murky and there's not a lot of great
Speaker 9: understanding on that.
Speaker 4: And they've done that before where they've moved picks. I mean,
Speaker 4: Eric Scott Junior is a great example from this past year.
Speaker 4: They knew they were going to get a fifth or
Speaker 4: a sixth compick at some point in this upcoming draft,
Speaker 4: so they moved to pick along to go and get
Speaker 4: a guy to go and get Eric Scott Junior. And
Speaker 4: that's possible. It goes back to the initial question that
Speaker 4: I think we had right at the beginning, where it's
Speaker 4: depending on the value. Next year's picks are not value
Speaker 4: very high on the trade chart per se. But if
Speaker 4: you can package a couple of them together, then maybe
Speaker 4: you're able to make some moves and go up and
Speaker 4: get somebody that you really think is not going to
Speaker 4: be there whenever your selection rules around.
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