1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Good morning. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 2: I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 2: stories we're following today. 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 3: We begin with breaking news overnight. Donald Trump now faces 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 3: a new set of criminal charges. For the fourth time, 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 3: a prosecutor has issued an indictment against the former president, 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 3: this time in Fulton County, Georgia, over efforts to overturn 8 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty election. Eighteen co defendants are also facing charges, 9 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: including former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and former 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 3: White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows. Fulton County District 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 3: Attorney Fanny Willis says she is charging all nineteen defendants 12 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 3: under the state's racketeering law. 13 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 4: The indictment alleges that, rather than abide by Georgia's legal 14 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 4: process for election challenges, the defendants engaged in a criminal 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 4: racketeering enterprise to overturn Georgia's presidential election result. 16 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: Fulton County DA Fanny will says she has authorized arrest 17 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 3: warrants for the former president and his eighteen co defendants. 18 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 3: They have until August twenty fifth to surrender. 19 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: Well Nathan. Reaction is pouring into this latest indictment. Genie 20 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: Shehanzeno is a political contributor for Bloomberg. 21 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 5: This is a screaming indictment. It is long and it 22 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 5: is detailed. But she said in her comments, you have 23 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 5: a right to challenge the election in court, but you 24 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 5: cannot engage in a criminal racketeering activity to overturn the results. 25 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 5: And that's what all of these nineteen individuals, including the 26 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 5: former president and Rudolph Giuliani, Mark Meadows, and others are 27 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 5: charged with. 28 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: Genie Shanzeno notes the charges include one hundred and sixty 29 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: one specific acts of racketeering by the former president. Bloomberg 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: Law host Jun Garosso says some are questioning the timing 31 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: of the late night indictment. 32 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 6: I am really surprised as to why she decided that 33 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 6: she had to do a press conference at eleven forty 34 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 6: five at night, when you know most people are not 35 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 6: going to be watching people who were interested in this. 36 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 6: And also it seems into the Trump theory or the 37 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 6: Trump allegations that this is happening also fast, and she's 38 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 6: wrapping it up, and it's just an indication that she's 39 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 6: not taking the time, even though we know that she 40 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 6: took two and a half years. 41 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Law host Jan Grasso says the charges carry a 42 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 2: minimum sentence of five years in prison and a maximum 43 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 2: of twenty Karen. 44 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: Jeff Duncan is among those who testified before the Fulton 45 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: County grand Jury. He is a Republican and the former 46 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 3: lieutenant governor of Georgia. Duncan spoke to the Atlanta Journal 47 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 3: Constitution outside the courthouse. 48 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 7: Does a pivot point for this country to do something 49 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 7: more than just stew on the twenty twenty election cycle. 50 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 7: Right where either going to as Republicans take our medicine 51 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 7: and realize the election wasn't rigged. Donald Trump was the 52 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 7: worst candidate ever in the history of the party, even 53 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 7: worse than Herschel Walker. 54 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 3: Former Georgia Lieutenant Governor Jeff Duncan testified before the Fulton 55 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 3: County Grand Jury after receiving a subpoena earlier this month. 56 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 8: From coast to coast, from New York to San Francisco, 57 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 8: Boston to Washington, DC, nationwide on Syrias exam the Bloomberg 58 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 8: Business app in Bloomberg dot com. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 59 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager, and once again, former President 60 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 3: Donald Trump faces criminal charges over efforts to overturn the 61 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 3: twenty twenty election. This latest indictment comes from Fulton County, Georgia, 62 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: and it includes eighteen co defendants. District Attorney Fanny Willis 63 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: is accusing all of them of violating state racketeering law 64 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 3: to accomplish. 65 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 4: The illegal goal of allowing Donald J. Trump to seize 66 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 4: the presidential term of office beginning on January twentieth, twenty one. 67 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 3: DA Fanny Willis announced the indictment late last night. She 68 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 3: says she hopes to try the former president and the 69 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: eighteen others within six months, and she's giving them ten 70 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 3: days to surrender for more. We're joined now by Greg Valier, 71 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 3: chief USB policy strategist at AGF Investments. Your reaction, Greg, 72 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 3: to the indictment and the timing, well. 73 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 9: Good morning, Nathan. I would say that the biggest problem 74 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 9: of all is that they cannot get this done in 75 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 9: six months or less. Despite what she said, I think 76 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 9: that if once you factor in appeals next year, it 77 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 9: could be election day November fifth of next year before 78 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 9: there's any resolution. With this many cases, this many indictments, 79 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 9: a decent percentage will drag into late twenty twenty four. 80 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 9: You could have a president or president elect who's been 81 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 9: found guilty. 82 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 3: Let's talk about this indictment specifically, we have eighteen co 83 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 3: defendants along with the former president. They're facing forty one 84 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 3: counts accused of one hundred and sixty one specific acts 85 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 3: in furtherance of a conspiracy to overturn the twenty twenty election. 86 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: It sounds a lot more sweeping than even what we 87 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 3: heard from the special counsel Jack Smith in a similar case. 88 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 9: Yeah, it really does. And I think that in all 89 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 9: of these cases there's a common theme, and that is 90 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 9: that the prosecutors want to get some plea bargains. Of 91 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 9: the eighteen people who were charged yesterday in Atlanta, I 92 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 9: think there's a decent chance that two or three or 93 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 9: four will cut a deal and make things even more 94 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 9: difficult for Donald Trump. 95 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 3: Does that add to the difficulty that you're implying here 96 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: in terms of the timing, If we do start to 97 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 3: see some of these code defendants potentially make a deal 98 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: and potentially line themselves up as witnesses against the former president. 99 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 9: It's entirely possible. I think that the prosecutors know that 100 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 9: a lot of these potential slippers, as you might say, 101 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 9: don't want to spend their late seventies in jail, and 102 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 9: that's entirely possible for somebody like Rudy Julie. So yeah, 103 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 9: I think there's a high likelihood that at least some 104 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 9: of them will slip. 105 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: What do you make of the scope of the investigation here? 106 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: It took two and a half years for Fanny Willis 107 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 3: to bring these charges that were highly anticipated, and it 108 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 3: looks from the indictment that it goes well beyond that 109 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 3: infamous find me the vote's phone call that the former 110 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 3: president had with Georgea's secretary of State. 111 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 9: Yeah. I think they have a lot of evidence that's 112 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 9: not been released yet in terms of harassment of voting officials, 113 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 9: in terms of trying to get these charges changed. So 114 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 9: my sense is that there's still a lot more in 115 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 9: these cases still to be brought out. 116 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 3: Do you get the sense that this is a stronger 117 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: case than some of the others. Does it stack up 118 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 3: that way for you? 119 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 9: You know, I thought all along, Nathan, that the strongest 120 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 9: one could be the documents in Florida. That's a pretty 121 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 9: straightforward case. It's a felony. You can't take documents out 122 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 9: of the White House and bring them to your home. 123 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 9: All four of these are pretty strong, and I have 124 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 9: a hunch that the document case could be the first 125 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 9: one resolved. 126 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: Does it complicate that case to have this one brought now? 127 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: I mean we've talked before about how the schedule is 128 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 3: going to get. I mean, it is a lot more 129 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 3: complicated heading into a twenty twenty four presidential race, and 130 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: now you have all these overlapping cases potentially running up 131 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: against each other. 132 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 9: Absolutely, I mean you're going to have a president someone 133 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 9: a candidate for the presidency actually having to campaign on weekends, 134 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 9: on holidays. He's not going to be able to campaign 135 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 9: probably full time because of all these charges. And we 136 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 9: shouldn't overlook the fact that Joe and Hunter Biden are 137 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 9: part of this narrative also. I think they will be 138 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 9: dragged into this. 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