1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to the new I Heart Radio and Coast to 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Coast Adium Paranormal Podcast Network. Like us on Facebook, tell 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: your friends and shure us with everyone. This is an 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: exciting new network that will feature podcasts on the paranormal, supernatural, 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Now please enjoy the Darker Side of 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: Life with Heidi Hollis. You are listening to the Darker 7 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: Side of Life with me, Heidi Hollis on the I 8 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast and Paranormal Podcast Network. 9 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: Welcome to my show. I want to have this show 10 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: be your place to go for all things that leave 11 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: us so often in the dark and in need of 12 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 1: shedding some light on while taking the steps out of 13 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: our paranormal closets. We can also use someone to lena on. 14 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: So you've come to the right place. I want to 15 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: encourage you all to go visit my main website, which 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: is Heidi Hollis dot com. That is h E I 17 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: D I H O L l I S dot com 18 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: where you can learn more about the topics that I 19 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: discussed here on this program. And if you or someone 20 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: you know has had an experience or you're just curious 21 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: about a topic, go to my main contact page on 22 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis dot com and tell me about it. The 23 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: more details you give, the better. Let me know how 24 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: you felt when you experience, what you did, why you 25 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: felt it might have happened. Just answer the questions that 26 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: come to mind, and if you have questions, be sure 27 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: to ask those and once I receive it, I will 28 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: read it here on this show, where I will do 29 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: my best to give you some level headed advice. Or 30 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: if you'd like to come on this show to discuss 31 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: your experience, that is also a possibility, but you have 32 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: to send your experience through my website. I've had many 33 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: people reach out to me through social media, but you 34 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: have to submit through my website in order to be 35 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: part of this program. Now, speaking of social media, you 36 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: can find me on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram at one 37 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis. Now to dig into my pile of emails 38 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: and what you have all graciously sent to me, This 39 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: one begins, Dear Heidi. I was researching the topic of 40 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: shadow people on Guya TV. That's when I saw you 41 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: on Beyond Belief with George Norri of Coast to Coast AM. 42 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: I have several years of experience in dealing with the 43 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: paranormal group and recently moved into a haunted house with roommates. 44 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: Not a good idea. My roommate's two year old son 45 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: is being taunted by a shadow person. After watching the 46 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: episode that you were on, I am certain this entity 47 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: is the hat Man, but he was wearing a top hat. 48 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: Where can I find information on your website on how 49 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: to permanently remove this hat Man? Plus the bad thing 50 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: is this young man is lost in dabbles in the 51 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: dark side looking for instant gratification and power. Am I 52 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: fighting a losing battle. I'm very concerned for the rest 53 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: of the family and children. Thank you very much for 54 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: your time and advice. Denise. Well, thanks Denise for taking 55 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: the time to write me. Um. This does sound like 56 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: a concerning situation and it's awesome that you saw me 57 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: on Beyond Belief with George Mari That was a few 58 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: years ago and had a great time. So you mentioned 59 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: the hat Man wearing a top hat. This is actually 60 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: a form that hat Man does come in, but some 61 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: people would call him the grinning Man as well. The 62 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: difference being with the top hat as not much. Sometimes 63 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: he doesn't wear a hat at all. Sometimes he has 64 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: a cape versus a trench coat. Sometimes he has a 65 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: gaucho hat, other times he has a colligboy hat. It 66 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: really does vary at times, but the hat doesn't matter. 67 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: But there's this other form that I've heard a lot 68 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,799 Speaker 1: about where I mentioned the grinning Man, where you see 69 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: this cape generally with the top hat and a cane 70 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: at times too. The question is is it really a 71 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: separate entity or just another form that hat man takes. 72 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm leaning towards it being another form that hat man 73 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: can take because of the consistency and the things that 74 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: go on when either are present. You're asking if there's 75 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: a place on my website that indicates how you can 76 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: permanently get rid of a shadow being like this, Well, 77 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: it depends on the level of infestation as well. Sometimes 78 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: there is rather easy method to clear out a home. 79 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: But if it's got its claws a little bit deeper 80 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: into a person, and if the person is dabbling in 81 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: dark magical things like you're indicating here, you're curious if 82 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: you're fighting a ever losing battle, and when somebody keeps 83 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: inviting such things, you kind of are. Unfortunately, this person, 84 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: this two year old, needs to quit what they're doing. 85 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: There's no way that you can try to do some 86 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: kind of incantation and think that you're going to be 87 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: all right. I can't tell you how many times I 88 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: get people who reach out to me saying, yeah, yeah, 89 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: I dabbled in this dark stuff, but um, hey, I 90 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: don't want to deal with this thing all the time, 91 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: So what do I do with it? Well, if you've 92 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: cut the practice out, you can make those steps and 93 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: take those steps to getting rid of this. But you 94 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 1: do have to take it upon yourself to make that move. 95 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: You being a friend and an outsider, that's awesome that 96 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: you're wanting to help this individual. You spoke of this 97 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: family who you're most concerned about and what they can 98 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: do to protect themselves. That is very important. Now, you 99 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: didn't mention if this twenty year old is living there 100 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: in the home, but I'm assume that they are. And 101 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: if that's going on in the same home as this family, 102 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: you do have a lot of reasons to be concerned 103 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: because it can be contagious that way, and when you're 104 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: welcoming this into a home with children, the damage and 105 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: the following of such a thing can go on for 106 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: a lifetime. So you do have to put your foot down. 107 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: The family needs to put their foot down and say 108 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: that's not welcome in the home first and foremost, and 109 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: then you do the process of protection and the method. 110 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: I have it pinned on my Facebook group that's called 111 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: Shadow People and hat Man Experience or group, where it 112 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: shows the method on how to go about protecting methodically 113 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: through your home so you can feel safe and at 114 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: ease where you live. I don't understand people who feel 115 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: like they could dabble in this stuff and be okay. 116 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: It's not okay, and you're putting others at risks, so 117 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: it's rather selfish. And uh, I'm telling you pray, pray, 118 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: pray and protect as much as you can. So I 119 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: appreciate that you are making this move, and I hope 120 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: that you let this family know that they need to 121 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: make a move before it gets to be really rocky 122 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 1: and it's bound to happen. It may take some time, 123 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: it may take no time. It's different for different people. 124 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: But this is also a method protection that I write 125 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: about in my works, so also feel free to look there. 126 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: But please try to have that twenty two year old 127 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: stop what they're doing or they really have to move 128 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: on out, because that is dangerous. It's like playing with 129 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: a loaded weapon and everybody's in the path. Okay, well, 130 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: thank you Denise for writing me. This next one comes 131 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: from Anthon and their question is what are the defining 132 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: features of the hat Man. I'm doing a project for 133 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: school for mythology and me and my group are doing 134 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: shadow people and want to know more info on the 135 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: hat Man. You know, back in the day when I 136 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: had to do projects, we had these wonderful books that 137 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: just made it very brief, where you could just learn 138 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: a whole novel with a short, little brief book. And uh, 139 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: now I have students that just don't want to look 140 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: things up and want me to just answer all their questions. 141 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: It's it's so it's very entertaining for me to come 142 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: across these emails. Um, sometimes these people that reach out 143 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: to me will disguise themselves as a student when they're 144 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: actually filmmakers and they just take all my material and 145 00:09:55,679 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: try to make a hit. Yeah, that's a really interesting 146 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: and dismaying but uh, these defining features of the hat Man, 147 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: they are a little bit um obscure at times, I 148 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: have to admit, because he does change it up a 149 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: little bit, but not a ton so hat man is 150 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: something that is darker than the dark. Okay, Yeah, sometimes 151 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: people say they can see a little bit through him, 152 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: but for the most part, no, he seems rather rather 153 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: solid shadow, and then he could step out from those 154 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: shadows where you could see details of his suit and 155 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 1: of his face, if he's clean shaven or not. He 156 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: wears a trench coat, sometimes a gaucho hat, sometimes a 157 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: top hat as we're talking earlier, and sometimes he has 158 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: a chain watch on his hip. Other times he's got 159 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: a cane, sometimes no hat, so he can change it up. 160 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: And I've even heard of people saying he wore a 161 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: brown suit once, so he does change it up, but 162 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: not a ton and a lot of people I try 163 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: to tell them, you can tell who is there before 164 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: you with your eyes closed. You do not have to 165 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: get an invitation with your eyes to say, oh boy, 166 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: it's him again. A lot of people are very familiar 167 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: with his presence and they go by that sense, and 168 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: it's a sense of horror, Anthony. So a defining feature 169 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: of him the most is horror and evil, a present 170 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: that feels as if your soul is at stake, because 171 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: sadly it kind of is in his presence. I know 172 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: it seems kind of strange to think that something like 173 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: that is roaming the earth, but it is, and I'm 174 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: telling you it's nothing to play with. So if you're 175 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: going to write a project on something that's for anthology 176 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: a myth, well this is not the topic because this 177 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: is real, very real, so real that I pray that 178 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: you'd never even get a taste of it. And when 179 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: people look into this topic, he sometimes looks back, so 180 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: be careful. After the break, I'm going to give you 181 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: an example of the deep threat of hat Man with 182 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: this next story that was sent to me. You are 183 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: listening to the Darker Side of Life on the I 184 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a m paranormal podcast network, 185 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: and we will be right back. Don't go anywhere. There's 186 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: more Heidi Hollis and the Darker Side of Life coming 187 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: right up. 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And now back to the I Heart Radio 207 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast a M Paranormal Podcast Network and 208 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: the Darker Side of Life. Welcome back. You are listening 209 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: to the Darker Side of Life with me, Heidi Hollis 210 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM 211 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. Do you know it's been over two 212 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: decades now since I named Shadow People and hat Man. 213 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: Over this time I've had people tell me, you know, 214 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: hat Man isn't so bad because he doesn't scare me. 215 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: He's like a guardian, you know. When I hear that 216 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: these things don't always scare me either, I don't go 217 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: running out of a building. I see some of these 218 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: paranormal shows and the screams and the fear emitting from 219 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: these people who are experien insing this on the screen, 220 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: and I'm not a person that jumps very easily, to 221 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: be honest. So do I have this problem then, to 222 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: know what's evil because I'm not scared. No. I think 223 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: it's pretty clear what we're dealing with here, and it's 224 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: not just me. You don't have to take my word 225 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: for it. I've received thousands of emails over the years, 226 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: and people all over the world are terrified and terrorized. 227 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: Hat Man may take his time getting to know you, yes, 228 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: that's for sure, but trust me, he is getting to 229 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: know you for a reason. He's not standing watch over 230 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: you to guard you. He's standing over you to learn 231 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: so he knows your weak spots. Unfortunately, do you know, 232 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: I've had people actually write me to tell me they've 233 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: fallen in love with him. I don't know what's going 234 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: on in those people's lives where they feel like they 235 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: need to have this protective male figure standing in the 236 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: room while they're sleeping. But for me, if he didn't 237 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: invite him initially, he's definitely an unwelcome presence and he 238 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: needs to be escorted out of the door. I've had 239 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: people tell me that somebody who is abusive in their 240 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: lives hat Man punched them, so they really adored hat 241 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: Man for what they did for them. That's a strange 242 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: and stressed situation that needs more than this evil entity 243 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: to lash out for you. I would be really nervous 244 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: about owing him anything. And trust me, I've looked into 245 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: a lot of these things and a lot of these 246 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: different scenarios, and it's nothing that you want to have. 247 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: It's not a protector. I didn't start this yesterday. I 248 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: would not have been able to trademark both Shadow People 249 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: and hat Man had I not been able to prove 250 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: it started with the work that I've been doing all 251 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: this time. It's been a long process, and because of 252 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: the things and the mixed messages that are getting put 253 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: out there is when I really thought it would be 254 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: important that I pull it in to stop some of 255 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: the wrong messaging going on because people are getting harmed, 256 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: people are getting hurt, They're getting possessed, depressed, suicidal, you 257 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: name it, I've heard it. So it wasn't me jumping 258 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: on a bandwagon this topic of shadow people and hat man. 259 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: This was others jumping in on it and really distorting 260 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: the message. So now I'm here to straighten it out. 261 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: And it's because of stories like this next one I'm 262 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: going to get to here that can make you lose sleep, 263 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: make you burst into tears, and make you extremely nervous 264 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: about what it is exactly that we're dealing with. This 265 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: comes to me from Beverly. She begins, Dear Heidi, the 266 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: experience I want to share took place when I was 267 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: seventeen years old. In the middle of the night, I 268 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: fell asleep on the couch. Then I was sporadically woken 269 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: up and there were thirteen solid, darkly shadowed men surrounding me. 270 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: They all looked similar, but not the same. They were tall, 271 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: and they were all wearing hats like the ones the 272 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: men wore in the nineteen fifties, and they all had 273 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: trench coats on the hats and coats were sharp. Their 274 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: cheekbones noses, chins, and fingers were sharp too. Their fingers 275 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 1: were really long. The Leader was the only one who spoke, 276 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: but not verbally, but tell empathetically. Just their presence or 277 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: energy filled me with fear. They lifted me up from 278 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: the couch using their minds. I was floating above the 279 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: couch in mid air. I telepathically yelled, what do you want? 280 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: Who are you? That's when the Leader answered and asked 281 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: me a question or said something about my God and 282 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: my faith in him. Then, for just a split second, 283 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: I felt confused and scared, and I felt my faith 284 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: drop just a little bit. That's when he smirked at me. 285 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: That's when they all then shoved their fingers and hands 286 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:03,479 Speaker 1: inside of me. Their fingers were wiggling inside like they 287 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: were looking for something. When they did that, it made 288 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: my body arch and I started to go into convulsions. 289 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: Tears were running down my cheeks. I started to pray 290 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: to God to save me or help me. Then I 291 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: screamed at them telepathically, what are you searching for? What 292 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: do you want? That's when the Leader responded and said, 293 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: your soul. That's when my faith started to rise up 294 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: within me and I knew that God was with me immediately. 295 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: I was finally able to move my head a little bit, 296 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: just enough to look at him, and then I gave 297 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: him a smirk. They all were surprised that I did 298 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: that and gasped. Then they all looked so confused. That's 299 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: when I looked at the leader with an even bigger 300 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: smirk on my face and told him that he and 301 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 1: they could not have my soul. That's when he asked 302 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: why not, and I said, because my soul belongs to 303 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: God and that my soul is with God. That's when 304 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: a huge burst of light came through and I was 305 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: able to let out a scream from my mouth. My 306 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: mom ran into the living room and was in shock 307 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: to see the couch floating in mid air. She couldn't 308 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: believe what she was seeing as she saw that I 309 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: was also floating above the couch in mid air. She 310 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: saw me violently convulsive. Then she quickly turned on the 311 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: light and that's when they all vanished. Beverly, if you 312 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: don't have chills at the end of that, I don't 313 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: know what. So when people ask me, how can you 314 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: talk about aliens, angels, hat man, shadow people and demons 315 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: altogether with this one story. Do you not see the connection? 316 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: Do you not understand how utterly powerful what is going 317 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: on in this one scenario. This is why I'm not 318 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: shy to say I'm Christian and that's where I stand. 319 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: Why would these things mention your faith in your God 320 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: and try to get her to doubt where she stood 321 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: on that, just that little bit, and they shoved their 322 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: fingers in her, digging around looking for her soul. This 323 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: is why when you see my whole line of work 324 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: and the things that I write about, it's spiritual warfare. 325 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: I'm a cartoonist too, so I'll write and I'll draw 326 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: something into a book form, anything that it takes to 327 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: get people to get right with where they stand with 328 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: their faith and having no doubts in that nor in 329 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: their human potential. Because these things try to get you 330 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: to doubt all of that. Words and thoughts matter, they count, 331 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: and they're able to read that. How disturbing to know 332 00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 1: that they're able to see that crack in you and 333 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: then dig in. Luckily, Beverly here was able to recognize 334 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: their weakness and to give them a mutual smirk back 335 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: and know her power and where she stands. So in 336 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: this day and age you know, we talk about biblical 337 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: things like it was something mythological, but when you think 338 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: about it, doesn't a rumor die down after a while. 339 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: But here, all these centuries later, we are still talking 340 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: about this shape shifting darkness that can dominate and will 341 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: one day rise up to take us all down, and 342 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: that there will be the return of Messiah to take 343 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: it on. I'm not shy to say where I stand 344 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: because it's the only thing that I know that works, 345 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: and I'm here to share with you what works. One 346 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: of the first signs people usually write me and their 347 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: emails as I don't get into that religious stuff. But anyways, 348 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: I saw the devil. If you're able to recognize that 349 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: it was the devil, then you better recognize that there's 350 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: an opposite force to oppose it, or you better at 351 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: least pray that there is and there is. And for 352 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: those people, I couldn't help but to try to address 353 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: those who doubt their faith. I mean, when you think 354 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: about it, we are flawed in everything that we do 355 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: as human beings, but the one area we're not supposed 356 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: to be flawed in is our faith. I invite you 357 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: to go to the other f word dot com because 358 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: that's my answer to try to get people to get 359 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: their faith back because we have to. So don't worry. 360 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: The F stands for faith, all right. Next up, we're 361 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: going to be addressing another part of the darker side 362 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: of life. When I say we are aiming to bring 363 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: lesser discuss topics into the light, it's so that we 364 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: can all learn and grow. Sometimes we stumble into these 365 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: topics unknowingly where we grow a real interest in something 366 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: and we end up helping to open up others eyes 367 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: to many possibilities, like my next guest, Chrissy Elliott, where 368 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: she's going to discuss the mysterious world of plant consciousness 369 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: and the elusive fake foot. 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My guest 398 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: today is Chrissy Elliott. She is a professional science journalist 399 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: and former editor at California, which is the magazine published 400 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: by the University of California, Berkeley. She has had columns 401 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: in both the San Francisco Bay Guardian and Bay Area Reporter, 402 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: and in recent years has worked as a staff writer 403 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: in Aerospace Communications. Chrissie covers all manner of strange topics, 404 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: from Bigfoot, to UFOs, to plant consciousness, even to mind 405 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: controlling fly fungus. She was recently a featured expert on 406 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: History Channel's Ancient Monster Quest, and we'll be appearing in 407 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: multiple episodes of Histories The Proof Is Out There, which 408 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: is airing January five. You can find her work at 409 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: Chrissie Elliott dot com. Welcome Chrissy. How are you. I 410 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: am doing well. I'm excited to be here and talk 411 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: to you about all things weird and fun. Yeah, my goodness. 412 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: You have quite the array of topics that you cover, 413 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: but one of them being a favorite topic of my 414 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: own Bigfoot. How on earth did you get involved in 415 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: Bigfoot after being a science reporter? Yeah? So um. So 416 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: I have a background in science journalism, and and as 417 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: a science journalist, you know, you have this expectation that 418 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: you know, you don't cover anything that's kind of fringe, right, 419 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: like if you want to stay on quote unquote the 420 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,719 Speaker 1: straight and narrow. Um. And one day my boyfriend and 421 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: I were walking down the streets San Francisco and we 422 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: saw that there was a big Foot film festival going 423 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: on and I was like, I was like, I don't 424 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: really want to go. He was like, oh, come on, 425 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: let's go, because he's like super into all kinds of 426 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: weird stuff. Let's go. Let's go. And I was like no, no, no, 427 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: He's like, okay, let's do it. So we go in 428 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: and during this Bigfoot film festival, they have you know, 429 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: speakers in between the movies and everything, and they talk 430 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: about you know, the Paterson Gimblin film and things like that. 431 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: And when I went in, you know, I was complete 432 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: nonbeliever in Bigfoot. And when I walked out, I was 433 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: still a complete nonbeliever in big Foot. Um. The talks 434 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: were not done well and they were kind of all 435 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: over the place. Um. However, I was like, you know, 436 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: there was like this whole auditorium full of people who 437 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,239 Speaker 1: did seem to believe. And it was interesting speaking to 438 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: them because if you really talk to them, they would 439 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: say things like, well, I kind of believe in big Foot, 440 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: Like I saw something, you know, um, but I'm not 441 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: sure it was actually Bigfoot. Like the belief was on 442 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: a gradient, right, And so this fascinated me. And so 443 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: at California Magazine, which is Berkeley's magazine, we were looking 444 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: for new stories and I looked into Grover Cramps, who 445 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: was the first, you know, person to ever come out 446 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: as a scientist in support of the search for Sasquatch, 447 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: and so I was like, we gotta do a story 448 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: on this guy. So I started researching what he was doing, 449 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: and uh, I started to realize that actually, you know, 450 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: the possibility of Bigfoot isn't so insane, Like, um, we've 451 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: discovered plenty of cryptids over time, you know that ended 452 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: up you know, being real, like for example, the giant squid. Right, 453 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: everybody thought that was fake for a really long time. 454 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: And so it sort of started to change my perspective 455 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, you can actually look at 456 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: this stuff from uh, you know, scientific point of you. Yeah, 457 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: that's that's fascinating stuff. I mean, it gets the imagination 458 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: running and brings a little bit I don't know, interest 459 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: that you didn't know lived within you. It sounds like, right, yeah, well, 460 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: well that's the thing too, is I realized I was 461 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: being very judgmental about people who believed in Bigfoot or 462 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: claim to have seen Bigfoot. Um, because if you think 463 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: about it, Uh, if people see something like if I 464 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: were in the woods and I saw a giant, hairy 465 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: beast that looked nothing like anything I've ever seen before. 466 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: If I saw that, I would do everything I could 467 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: to reconcile that with my present worldview. So like, you know, 468 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: I would try to apply the scientific method to that, 469 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: you know, because I am more science minded, and I 470 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: would try to see if that could possibly be real, right, 471 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: And a lot of these people are very rational, um. 472 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is they aren't just 473 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: believing willy nilly, like they actually have to go through 474 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,959 Speaker 1: a process of being like I saw this thing. I 475 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: don't know if it's real, but it had to have 476 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: been real because I saw it, you know. I just 477 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: think that, you know, through the process of writing multiple 478 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: articles on the subject, I really started to understand, um 479 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: that big footers are are misunderstood. Um I think that, 480 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: you know, they do everything they can to be rational 481 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: and they're not like this fringe group. I know sient 482 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: of America's population are big foot believers, and sixty are 483 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: you know, Christians. Right. When I when I think of 484 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: those kinds of things, right, it's like big foot believers 485 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: just kind of got unlucky. Right. It's like society decided 486 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: that belief in something like a fringe belief like Bigfoot 487 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: was weird, whereas Christianity, which we arguably have less proof 488 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: for of like a Christian God, you know, I mean 489 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: that is it's just luck of a draw, right, Um, 490 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: so some of us Christians would big to differ, but 491 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: you're just saying but uh yeah, I mean it's it's 492 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: a matter of perspective, I guess too. And and who 493 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: do you believe? I've always said that a lot of 494 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: people if they just believed one of these stories that 495 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: come out, like like really believe when the brother came 496 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 1: running out of the woods and said, I just saved 497 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: my own life running as fast as I can from 498 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: a big hairy man. Uh. You know, if we could 499 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: really take that to heart, it would really shift our 500 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: perspective and broaden our view of the world, because I 501 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: think this happens a lot more than people realize, but 502 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: nobody is willing to be accepting or even open to sharing. 503 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: What is this a experienced? Right? Well? And a lot 504 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: of that comes down to, uh, the stigma attached to um, 505 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 1: you know, talking about experiences that are you know, I 506 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: don't know what would be considered paranormal or things that 507 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: haven't been you know, gotten the stamp of approval by 508 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: science yet you know, it's like a lot of people 509 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: are poled, right, Like they're asked, you know, in surveys 510 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: whether or not they believe in these kinds of things, 511 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: and because of the shame around it, they'll answer no, 512 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: like a hard no, right, or they'll only be given 513 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 1: a yes or no answer. Um. And for me, it's 514 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: just like, really, that's not a good representation of the 515 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: population overall, and and how beliefs exist on a gradient, right, Um. 516 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: So I don't know. I just think that a lot 517 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: of people aren't as hardcore believers, like aren't aren't hardcore 518 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,240 Speaker 1: believers like you might think, And a lot of people 519 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: aren't disbelievers either. And I also think in science, you know, 520 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: a lot of scientists are afraid to come out and 521 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: talk about their interest in the big foot subject because 522 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: there's a stigma surrounding that as well. So there are 523 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: a lot of issues and you know, boundaries that you 524 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: know can or cannot be cross depending on who you are. 525 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: Very true, Very true, And I shared with you we 526 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 1: spoke earlier about what I consider to be a big 527 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: foot encounter that I would have never anticipated to have 528 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 1: seen indoors with another person, seeing a big hairy beast 529 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 1: manifest on its own in the middle of somebody's kitchen. 530 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: I mean, these are things that I, like you said, 531 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: some of us are unlucky. And it's like I believe 532 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: my own eyes though, And it blows my mind how 533 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 1: many times people try to question did I really witness 534 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: what I just saw? Did my eyeballs really perceive what 535 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: I'm interpreting? And you know, there comes a point where 536 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 1: people just have to be honest with themselves. So what 537 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 1: are some of the stories that you found most impressive 538 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: that you've come across, Uh, well, most impressive to be 539 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: to be honest, Um, I haven't really come across any 540 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 1: stories that I would say pass the test of scientific 541 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: Like you know, um evaluation. UM. I know that a 542 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: lot of people are doing their best to you know, 543 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:34,720 Speaker 1: gather like DNA evidence and all things like that. UM. 544 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: But what I've found more often is that the scientists 545 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,959 Speaker 1: who have been willing to test hair and and other 546 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, samples sent in they've discovered that they were, 547 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: UM not necessarily a relict hominid creature, but it led 548 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: science to other discoveries. Like, for example, UM, in a 549 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: mass test of all these different animal hairs that were 550 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 1: perceived to pass be cryptod hairs, they discovered a new 551 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,439 Speaker 1: species of bear UM that lived like you know, way 552 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: back when. So for me, I haven't particularly heard any 553 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 1: scientific um breakthroughs regarding cryptids. However, UM, we do know 554 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: that like, like I said, the giant squid, right like, 555 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: people said that was totally fake and then they ended 556 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: up finding a body. I'm not totally opposed to the 557 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,720 Speaker 1: idea that we could eventually get you know, evidence proving 558 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: that Bigfoot exists, but I haven't really been UM. I 559 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: believe in the possibility, but I haven't been convinced that 560 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: it's really yet. My gotcha, But have you met some 561 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: of these people I die and had them tell you 562 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: these tales where it's really convincing and you find it 563 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,879 Speaker 1: where it's kind of tugging at your sense of belief. Um, yeah, 564 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: because I think that they're genuine. I think that they 565 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,879 Speaker 1: are seeing something and I whether or not it's big 566 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 1: Foot or maybe some other creature we haven't discovered yet, 567 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: or maybe it's some sort of mutated bear. You know, 568 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: it could be any of these things, which are all 569 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,240 Speaker 1: fascinating from a scientific point of view. I think that um, 570 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: and even even just you know, the armchair non scientist 571 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: point of view, these things are interesting. I once had 572 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: a big footer tell me, you know, that he found 573 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: evidence in a forest and then and you think it's 574 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: like an organization like ended up burning down. Um, you know, 575 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: a forest that had like all of these hairs and 576 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: evidence and possibly big Foot in it. And I think, 577 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: for me, you know, if if, if it's true, that's 578 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: crazy and that should be evaluated. But it's just it's hard. 579 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: It's hard for me to prove this stuff, especially as 580 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,839 Speaker 1: a journalist. I try to be as objective as possible. Uh, 581 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: We're all human, we're naturally subjective. But I think it's 582 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: important to listen to these people or if you said 583 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,399 Speaker 1: a scientist dna UM. Just know that they may want 584 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: to test it, but they don't have the funds to 585 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: do so. All right, Wow, well we're gonna get to 586 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 1: your other fascinating topics sentient plants. So you guys, you're 587 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,720 Speaker 1: listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 588 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network and we will be right back 589 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: before or The Art Bell Vault has classic audio waiting 590 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: for you. Now go to Coast to Coast m dot 591 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: com for details. 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And 620 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: now back to Heidi Hollis and The Darker Side of Life. 621 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: Welcome back. You are listening to the Darker Side of 622 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,320 Speaker 1: Life with me. Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio 623 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network, And my 624 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: guest is Chrissy Elliott. And just prior to the break, 625 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: she was speaking on the topic of Bigfoot. But but 626 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 1: she's also got this other fascinating topic she covers sentient plants. Now, 627 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: you wrote a rather in depth article on this. Could 628 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,319 Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit about that? Yeah, So 629 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: I wrote a piece for Edge Science magazine on whether 630 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: or not plants could possibly possess consciousness or intelligence. And 631 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 1: I got into this because I'm somebody who, um kind 632 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 1: of murders plants on accident. I don't really mean to. 633 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 1: I just don't have that sense of how much water 634 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 1: they need or anything like that, you know. And um, 635 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: So when I discovered that there was scientific evidence suggesting 636 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: that plants might actually be sentient, I was like, oh, no, 637 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,760 Speaker 1: I know people like you, I mean, everything they can 638 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 1: into their house plants and they die every single time. 639 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: And I'm like, what are you doing wrong? It's so bizarre. Yeah, 640 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,439 Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you. I have no idea. I will 641 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: follow instructions to the letter on how to take care 642 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 1: of a rose. I mean, I've even killed a cactus like, 643 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't just I know it. It seems 644 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 1: it seems like I'm doing it on purpose. But it's 645 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 1: where I'm not. So like my editor at Edge Science, 646 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,440 Speaker 1: he's like, he's like, Christy, you should research this, you know. 647 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. I probably should, um, 648 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,320 Speaker 1: because I want to feel worse about about what I'm doing. 649 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,919 Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah. So I look into the subject and 650 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,280 Speaker 1: I discovered that there's actually a wealth of scientific evidence 651 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,239 Speaker 1: suggesting that plants possess their own kind of intelligence, and 652 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,280 Speaker 1: they have behaviors that are similar to that of human 653 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,840 Speaker 1: beings and animals. They even have their own versions of 654 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,879 Speaker 1: all five human senses. Um. Some of the most groundbreaking 655 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,399 Speaker 1: research in my mind is, for example, that covers how 656 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,760 Speaker 1: plants have memory. Right, So there was this really amazing 657 00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,839 Speaker 1: experiment where the scientists took Mimosa pudica, which is the 658 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: sensitive plant quote unquote that's what they call it. So 659 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 1: when you touch a Mimosa pudica, its leaves will close up. Um, 660 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,839 Speaker 1: it will react to touch. And so they did this 661 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: experiment where they put Mimosa pudica plants um up like 662 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: on this little ledge and they exposed them to a 663 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 1: series of controlled drops, and over time, it was shown 664 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,839 Speaker 1: even a month later, the Mimosa pudica would recognize that 665 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,319 Speaker 1: the drops were not a threat. So originally they would 666 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,719 Speaker 1: close their leaves, and then a month later they realized 667 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: they didn't have to. So that proved that plants actually 668 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,799 Speaker 1: have you know, a complex form of memory. And there 669 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 1: are other experiments that you know, support this as well, 670 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,480 Speaker 1: but this was you know, really fascinating because plants have 671 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: long been thought to just be reactionary, you know, automatons. 672 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 1: You know, they're not making any decisions or anything like that. 673 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 1: But it shows that they can. Right. And then, um, 674 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,399 Speaker 1: there's another experiment with p sed ings um, and this 675 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:08,520 Speaker 1: one is kind of controversial because, uh, Monica Galliano, she's 676 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: a scientist. She went into the Amazon and tripped with 677 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,840 Speaker 1: a tree, right. She did this what's called a dieta 678 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,880 Speaker 1: and she just ate like mashed up bark for like 679 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 1: a week, you know, and you know, um, didn't participate 680 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,600 Speaker 1: in any you know, sex or fun fun things in 681 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 1: the material world, you know. And she said that the 682 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 1: plant gave her instructions on how to do an experiment, 683 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,520 Speaker 1: you know, And so she goes and she does this 684 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,319 Speaker 1: experiment exactly as the plant told her, and it ends 685 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: up proving that Pavlovian learning, you know, the ringing of 686 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: the bell and the dog salivating can occurrent plants which 687 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,840 Speaker 1: had never been shown before. So with the piece, with 688 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 1: the piece seedlings excuse me, um, she put them in 689 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,359 Speaker 1: these little y shaped tubes and exposed them to light 690 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: and fan, and the fan ended up you know, letting 691 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 1: the plants know that food light. Um, you know, it 692 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,400 Speaker 1: was in a certain direction, and they would grow towards that. 693 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: I think sixty of them grew towards that, which is 694 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 1: a really you know, shocking result. Um, amazing, yeah. Yeah. 695 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 1: And then trees to oh, there's this um indication that 696 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 1: trees or might actually be capable of altruistic behavior. So, 697 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:31,200 Speaker 1: for example, trees can give nutrients right underneath the ground 698 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,399 Speaker 1: to each other, so like older trees will use what's 699 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,120 Speaker 1: called the wood wide web to transfer chemicals to younger 700 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,720 Speaker 1: trees to help them grow, you know, and like carbon 701 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 1: and other things like that. And they found, um, a 702 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 1: stump in a forest that had been apparently being kept 703 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,160 Speaker 1: alive for like four hundred years. They cut open the 704 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 1: stump and found that it was full of green chlorophyll, 705 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,719 Speaker 1: which could only indicate that the quote unquote tree family members, 706 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,040 Speaker 1: we're keeping the stump alive. It's like this, this stuff 707 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,719 Speaker 1: just blows my mind. Wow. So I want to make 708 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 1: my vegetarian friends feel really really guilty now with this information, 709 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: totally right, Well, so think about it, okay. So, um, 710 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 1: you know the human race tends to elevate itself above 711 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 1: all other creatures. Right. Um. There was this book published, um, 712 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,279 Speaker 1: I think it was in fifteen o nine. It was 713 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,120 Speaker 1: way back when, and it was by this guy named 714 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 1: Charles de Beauvel, and it was called the Book of Wisdom. 715 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,480 Speaker 1: And inside this quote unquote Book of Wisdom was the 716 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,759 Speaker 1: Pyramid of Living Things and it had a huge influence 717 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,120 Speaker 1: on the way uh we as humans, especially the way 718 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: scientists look at plants. So it was on the pyramid, 719 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,600 Speaker 1: humans are at the top, um animals underneath humans, then plants, 720 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,520 Speaker 1: and then the bottom is rocks. So from humans point 721 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 1: of view, you know, for a long time, plants have 722 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: just been thought to be like, you know, basically almost 723 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,520 Speaker 1: bottom of the barrel, you know. But now science is 724 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,680 Speaker 1: showing that, you know, these ideas that maybe like your 725 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,800 Speaker 1: aunt you know, said you know, oh, if you play 726 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,640 Speaker 1: certain kinds of music for a plant or whatever, it'll 727 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,960 Speaker 1: help it grow, right. Um. These ideas, you know, while 728 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 1: not exactly scientific, are kind of correct. So for example, UM, 729 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:41,640 Speaker 1: there was this Italian man who played classical music for 730 00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:48,320 Speaker 1: his vineyard and he discovered that the plants were growing 731 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,799 Speaker 1: better with with um with the music. And what the 732 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:56,600 Speaker 1: scientists interpreted from that was that it wasn't necessarily the music, 733 00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,760 Speaker 1: but it was certain kinds of sounds that the plants 734 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,759 Speaker 1: benefited from. UM. For example, another experiment was done where 735 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,279 Speaker 1: they played the sounds of of bees buzzing, and they 736 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,640 Speaker 1: discovered that plants actually produced, um, you know, a sweeter 737 00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:15,600 Speaker 1: nectar um because they recognized the sound and had a 738 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,520 Speaker 1: physiological response to that. So it's like there's a truth 739 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,200 Speaker 1: in in sort of the old wisdom and a truth 740 00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:24,880 Speaker 1: in the science. And I feel like we're at a 741 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,760 Speaker 1: point where those ideas are coming together and that's really exciting. 742 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,799 Speaker 1: It is. So, I mean, I wonder if this can 743 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,440 Speaker 1: be put into some of your research too. There's the 744 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,759 Speaker 1: life of water. The uh, if you expose water to 745 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,719 Speaker 1: hateful things or positive things at crystals or or it 746 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,960 Speaker 1: corrects and fractures or even uh, kosher food, the way 747 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: animals are slaughtered. If it's done and this manner versus 748 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,800 Speaker 1: another man, you know, it's it's like positive vibes seemed 749 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,640 Speaker 1: to be the key factor here. If you're feeding the 750 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,279 Speaker 1: right things, things go better and it's better for you, 751 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,600 Speaker 1: and it's better for our system that we live in. Well, yeah, 752 00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,360 Speaker 1: and apparently I just give off the worst vibes just 753 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:19,440 Speaker 1: murdering plants. It happens. But you know, I remember seeing like, uh, 754 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,040 Speaker 1: these little elementary school kids that would have two identical 755 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,960 Speaker 1: plants in two glass cubes, and they would give them 756 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,759 Speaker 1: the same nutrients, but one plant they would just say 757 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,799 Speaker 1: bad things to it, and the other one they would 758 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,319 Speaker 1: praise it or sing songs to it. And yeah, the 759 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,319 Speaker 1: one that got the negativity didn't do so good, while 760 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,000 Speaker 1: the other one just totally thrives. So there's something to it. 761 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,360 Speaker 1: It's like, I wonder if they don't like to be 762 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,560 Speaker 1: in a certain environment, they're going to check out, right, 763 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,160 Speaker 1: And you also have to think about it this way too, Right, 764 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,720 Speaker 1: It's just like if you make it a ritual um 765 00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:01,680 Speaker 1: of setting a good intention to take or of something naturally, 766 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,480 Speaker 1: it's gonna gonna thrive because you're gonna be paying more 767 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,240 Speaker 1: attention to it, right, you know, It's just like it's 768 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,040 Speaker 1: like that would be the more I guess materialistic sort 769 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,200 Speaker 1: of like rationalist point of view right where it's like, 770 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,680 Speaker 1: it's good that people start thinking of plants not just 771 00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,480 Speaker 1: as automatons, because it could help our relationship with them 772 00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,080 Speaker 1: and ultimately maybe even change how we see the environment 773 00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,520 Speaker 1: and the choices we make in terms of, you know, 774 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,759 Speaker 1: taking care of our planet. Again, so when they say 775 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,239 Speaker 1: a dog can sense your fear, we're just taking all 776 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,359 Speaker 1: these different levels. It's like it applies to every situation. 777 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm just going there. But when you think about it, 778 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,640 Speaker 1: we are all kind of made up of the same things, 779 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,960 Speaker 1: all that reside here on this planet. So we must 780 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:54,600 Speaker 1: all kind of respond to our environment and feel similarly. Yes, yeah, 781 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,600 Speaker 1: and so one of the biggest controversial questions right now 782 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:04,160 Speaker 1: among like botanists is whether or not plants could be conscious. 783 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,440 Speaker 1: And the difficult it's it's difficult to answer this question 784 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 1: because we can barely even figure out what human consciousness is, right, 785 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,799 Speaker 1: we can't even really prove that. We also can't come 786 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,840 Speaker 1: to an agreement on what consciousness is. So for example, 787 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,480 Speaker 1: some people think that you know, the entire universe embodies 788 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:26,040 Speaker 1: one giant consciousness, right. Others think that consciousness can't exist 789 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,720 Speaker 1: without a brain, and and it's just a series of uh, 790 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,680 Speaker 1: you know, neurons firing or like synapsis or whatever. So 791 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 1: it's like for us to sit around and say, you know, oh, 792 00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,759 Speaker 1: plants have consciousness. It's it's pretty much impossible at this 793 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,520 Speaker 1: point because we don't even really understand human consciousness. Um. 794 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,080 Speaker 1: And that's and bridging that gap between science, you know, 795 00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,439 Speaker 1: which is supposed to be hard core objective and um, 796 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,239 Speaker 1: you know, the more subjective I'm experiencing a thing. Um, 797 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,640 Speaker 1: we haven't figured out how to connect but two yet. 798 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,520 Speaker 1: And that's what's called quote unquote the hard problem or 799 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,520 Speaker 1: the explanatory gap. Um. So you know, one of the 800 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,960 Speaker 1: biggest hurdles, UM is figuring out how to how to 801 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,160 Speaker 1: bridge that makes sense. You know, most people hardly regard 802 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:17,920 Speaker 1: that they even have a soul, which is part of 803 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,160 Speaker 1: consciousness as well. So there's a struggle all the way around. 804 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,000 Speaker 1: It seems to be, you know, how can people get 805 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,920 Speaker 1: the opportunity to go to your website and read some 806 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,160 Speaker 1: of the things that you're creating. Yeah, so you can 807 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,279 Speaker 1: check out Chris Elliott dot com k R I S 808 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,920 Speaker 1: S Y E L I O T. Thank you so much, 809 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,319 Speaker 1: Christie Elliott. This has been fabulous. Thank you for coming 810 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,759 Speaker 1: on the program. It's been great. Thank you so much. 811 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,400 Speaker 1: This world is also fascinating and bringing this topic of 812 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,880 Speaker 1: plant consciousness into the light was truly revealing. Remember to 813 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,600 Speaker 1: send in your experiences by visiting my site Heidi Hollis 814 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,320 Speaker 1: dot com. And you've been listening to the Darker Side 815 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,560 Speaker 1: of Life with me, Heidi Hollis on the I Heart 816 00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:05,640 Speaker 1: Radio from Coast to Coast, a paranormal podcast network. 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