WEBVTT - Episode 331 w/ Black Star featuring Dave Chappelle

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<v Speaker 1>She don't want you to getting your back, staying your back.

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<v Speaker 1>She ain't don't want my love. I guess I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>move on. Yeah, Yeah, she my love. I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta move on. Yeah. Welcome to Drink Champs, the production

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<v Speaker 1>of the Black Effect and I Heart Radio and his

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<v Speaker 1>Drink Chess, motherfucking podcast. He's a legendary Queen's Wrapper. He's

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<v Speaker 1>agree it's your boy here, no R. He's a Miami

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<v Speaker 1>hipp hop pioneer, Curt up as d j e f N.

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<v Speaker 1>Together they drinking up with some of the biggest players

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<v Speaker 1>mean in the most professional unprofessional podcast and number one

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<v Speaker 1>sorts for drunk New Year's Time. Trick Up Mother Mother

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<v Speaker 1>would good be hoping he would should be point what

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<v Speaker 1>U d j e f N And it's drink Chance

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<v Speaker 1>tab crazy warp ya will make something? And right now

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be honest, man, when we're looking at these

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<v Speaker 1>two brothers here, as at one point I never thought

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<v Speaker 1>I would see them back together. One brother was in

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<v Speaker 1>Africa like an instance. The other brother was in Utica sells.

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<v Speaker 1>So then we got another brother will pop into the area.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the most legendary but we'll talk about that later.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's just get that they had just dropped album

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<v Speaker 1>that is just for the fans, and they could have

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<v Speaker 1>put it on Spotify, they could have put it on iTunes,

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<v Speaker 1>they could have put it on your local Julry. No,

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to put it for their fans, their fans only.

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<v Speaker 1>These guys are monkey footing footing and they're still the

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<v Speaker 1>most lyrical motherfucker's in the game. And I'm listening to

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<v Speaker 1>this album and they're not slipping up even a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>And they got a lot of money. In case you

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what I'm talking about, we're talking about the one,

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<v Speaker 1>the only motherfucker blackstar. Now, y'all seen bad. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>start with you. I don't have a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>I live on the stipend. Yeah, me too. Do we

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<v Speaker 1>have that clip? Now? Let me just tell you something,

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<v Speaker 1>y'all seen bay. This is real talk. Whenever I'm down

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel like life it's fucked up and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to keep moving on. Oh, I feel like music,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not where I wanted to be. I always go

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<v Speaker 1>to this clip and I watched this and this ship

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<v Speaker 1>saves my life. This is real talk. Can you play it? Please? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's the old man. That's not even then. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, I'm not it's not. It's all favorable.

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<v Speaker 1>Its beautiful. That blazer was gortious. Don't forget to dark

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. It's a good moment. I'm gonna tell

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<v Speaker 1>you why I love that clip the dude rags, if

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<v Speaker 1>the door was a good day, the success, the success

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<v Speaker 1>of Your Soul, the success of Black Starter, success of

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Jappelle's show. Your bars are not supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Um, yes they are there because what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I'm here to do. This is allows

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<v Speaker 1>gift to me right. So you must, you know, put

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<v Speaker 1>your crown on many months. You always knew that I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was great at ryman from the mom started I

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<v Speaker 1>was nine years old. I was never not good. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we should makes no noise of that. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>need that confidence. I'm gonna be honest, and I swear

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<v Speaker 1>to god I really wasn't because had we just did

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<v Speaker 1>this interview would just be just us and not at

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<v Speaker 1>the shock. I swear to God, this is something that

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<v Speaker 1>really motivates me because I fall out of love of

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<v Speaker 1>music a lot like I fall out of love with

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<v Speaker 1>the business. Did us a business? I mean, there's nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not you know, you should fall out of love.

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<v Speaker 1>That means your human being, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not worthy of your love. You understand. This is

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<v Speaker 1>not the music, so is another thing altogether. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the the fence around it called the industry is just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's just a industrial fence, you know. So

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<v Speaker 1>we had Top Level on the show and we actually

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<v Speaker 1>asked him, um, well you're a where about said what time?

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<v Speaker 1>Because we had he was like, no, man at one point, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm alive on a planet Earth. My country's Earth. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>from a country called Earth like everybody else. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>my perspective on life and living in places. Never heard

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<v Speaker 1>of this, yeah, because that was the rule. What the

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<v Speaker 1>rumor was, you went to Africa and you lost your

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<v Speaker 1>passport and then you became a citizen of whatever country.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell the food story another time, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the whole thing I was. I was living in

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<v Speaker 1>South Africa and during my stay there, obtained this secondary

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<v Speaker 1>travel document which is well documented the history of it

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<v Speaker 1>and the province of it and and the like. And

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<v Speaker 1>I obtained one and there was some disagreement between you,

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<v Speaker 1>myself and the and the South African government as it

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<v Speaker 1>relates to what they qualifies valid travel document. And that

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<v Speaker 1>was the older part that I remember, because this is

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<v Speaker 1>supposed apoltize, but you know, but it's still apolitize as

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<v Speaker 1>many different outfits these days. Uh So I wouldn't classify

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<v Speaker 1>so much as that, but it wasn't experienced. I often

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<v Speaker 1>invite people to look up the World Passport for themselves

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<v Speaker 1>and just take it from there because I'm not here

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<v Speaker 1>to make up anybody's mind about anything. But that was

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<v Speaker 1>a part of my experience. He said, let me not

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<v Speaker 1>get my hopes up. You said the World's passport, the World.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a fellow and I cannot fill out for that, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's be clear. You have to look at up. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that this is I feel like I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be citizen. It's information out about it. Anyone

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<v Speaker 1>is invited to check it out from them shoves. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like a community and people need to be part

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<v Speaker 1>of I don't want to, you know, shut me down.

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<v Speaker 1>You fell it shot the first time I said you

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<v Speaker 1>were going to Africa. You said, dude, they got w's

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<v Speaker 1>in Africa. Was out a lot, because you know why

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<v Speaker 1>they used to lie to me this, to tell me

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<v Speaker 1>I had to get vaccines. I had to get shots

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<v Speaker 1>that depend on the country going over there. This but

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is Africa. Total totality at this time

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<v Speaker 1>until I met a con and then a can said

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<v Speaker 1>you come out there now, vaccine nothing Like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I believe you anymore. Okay, he just sold

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<v Speaker 1>everything to me. He was like, come on, now where

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<v Speaker 1>let's just go. I'm just like I get you New

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<v Speaker 1>Jersey City is different. Let's just let's just get back

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<v Speaker 1>to this album, right you guys? Um, these fans have

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<v Speaker 1>been backing for this album for so long. So on

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<v Speaker 1>this is like a two part question because on one

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<v Speaker 1>part you gave the fans everything they wanted, but then something.

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<v Speaker 1>But to this generation, this might be the most laziest

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<v Speaker 1>generation I've ever seen. Like they have Google, Yeah they

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<v Speaker 1>have Google, and they'll still be like, well how do

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<v Speaker 1>I get it? Right? So I remember a friend of

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<v Speaker 1>Mines had he threw out a movie and this movie

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<v Speaker 1>was so hard to download, like it wasn't in the

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<v Speaker 1>so and he was like, yo, how much people not

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<v Speaker 1>supporting us? We can't find the ship. You know what

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, because so how do y'all, y'all, y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>y'all navigate through this the system of you know, these

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<v Speaker 1>fans that because it was Luminary Luminary, everyone doesn't notice

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<v Speaker 1>a subscription based everyone doesn't notice. How do how do

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<v Speaker 1>y'all navigate? This is the first album like music project

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<v Speaker 1>on that because the podcast there you go? You knew

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<v Speaker 1>we did a podcast to that come off? Because I

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<v Speaker 1>mean and listen, I'm not gonna uh differentiate between real

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<v Speaker 1>and fake fans because who knows what station people are

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<v Speaker 1>in life and with what they are in their life

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<v Speaker 1>to even know that we have but we have made

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<v Speaker 1>a choice for a lot of valid reasons to be

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<v Speaker 1>in control of where and how we just tribute our art.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think every artist should have that choice, just

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<v Speaker 1>like every human beings. You have a choice where to

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<v Speaker 1>so they wears that if they if they got wears

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<v Speaker 1>um and so because of that choice to have our

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<v Speaker 1>podcast on Luminary, people's parties on Luminary, people who have

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<v Speaker 1>been following us, and am I saying real fans, but

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<v Speaker 1>people who have come on a journey with us have

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<v Speaker 1>been followed what we are seeing bays done with our installations.

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<v Speaker 1>Who understand about the albums that he's worked on, who

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<v Speaker 1>understand who followed me and styles p Me and dimond

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<v Speaker 1>d album, the ones who follow who go to Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>and see on Day Chappelle specials. These people was already Onliminary.

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<v Speaker 1>They were already listening to Midnight Miracle, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>again I want to stress that's not even a judgment

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<v Speaker 1>or nothing. But at this point in our careers and

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<v Speaker 1>because of the way the music business, and speaking for myself,

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<v Speaker 1>we we have to as as men um and as

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<v Speaker 1>artists focus on not trying to cast a wide net

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<v Speaker 1>and get everybody. Because even me as a fan, as

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<v Speaker 1>a fan of black Star, I want to hear black

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<v Speaker 1>Star wherever I feel like hearing it. But me as

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<v Speaker 1>as a fan of black Star, also want to trust

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<v Speaker 1>black Star, and I also want to follow black Star

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<v Speaker 1>lead and it And for us it makes sense not

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<v Speaker 1>to cast a wide and try to get everybody. But

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<v Speaker 1>for the people who are are following us and people

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<v Speaker 1>who are rocking with us, let's get them first. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, we may have vinyl come out, we

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<v Speaker 1>may do other things. I mean, we you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a supple choice. It's not like there's an effort to

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<v Speaker 1>make it unnecessarily inconvenient for people. I mean from from

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<v Speaker 1>my point of view, I mean, it seems fairly accessible

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<v Speaker 1>and like a reasonable distance for any listener to cover,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with consolidating the experience, you're saying, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to go to all of these different places, you

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<v Speaker 1>could just come right here. And you know, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a question of value. If you value what we're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've explained to you, I mean quite clearly in

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<v Speaker 1>in uh, in various formats, the reasons why we why

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<v Speaker 1>we've chosen to do this, and the principles behind it,

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<v Speaker 1>and what we're trying to establish and what we're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to reform in many ways, uh that exists in the system.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it's like it's a no brainer. You're supporting the

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<v Speaker 1>historical project with an historical approach. So if that's too

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<v Speaker 1>cumbersome for you with the like, just stay where you

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<v Speaker 1>are to be quite candid, because you know when it's

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<v Speaker 1>not We're not here to just bower to make things

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<v Speaker 1>like convenient for people per se. You know, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>complicating the process in this way. If the machine as

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<v Speaker 1>it exists now was more amenable and fair within no problem.

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<v Speaker 1>But when they like in a legalized criminal enterprise and

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<v Speaker 1>essence and my observation. But then, I mean, like back

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<v Speaker 1>in the days, if you want a good you know,

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<v Speaker 1>go front, you have to go to out we square more.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, no, it's not even that. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not even that. It's like, you know, again, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>prevailing metric that exists that does not take the artists

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<v Speaker 1>into consideration at all, that really doesn't take humanity into

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<v Speaker 1>consideration at all, to be perfectly candid, um, and what

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing is a very human thing. So it's we're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna let the machine set the pace for us

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<v Speaker 1>when we built the machine. In essence, you know, she

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<v Speaker 1>can't do what we do. There's gonna be people that

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<v Speaker 1>listening they don't artists that don't know there's creative ways

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<v Speaker 1>to release their music and maintain ownership. And without getting

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<v Speaker 1>into the details of your business, it seems like what

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<v Speaker 1>you did here is to maintain ownership. You know, get

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<v Speaker 1>what you're going to get something out of putting it out.

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<v Speaker 1>You you could do something else with it down the line.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the life of it. I mean, it came

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<v Speaker 1>out two weeks ago. You know barely. You know, this

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<v Speaker 1>is just the beginning. It's it's not like something that

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<v Speaker 1>just came out this week and it's gonna go away,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. It's it's it's historically preserved. And that's the difference.

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<v Speaker 1>And you have to have the confidence of knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>you're in a position to do that and knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>your album, like we called a no fair of Time,

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<v Speaker 1>will stand the test of time. If you're chasing the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>you're chasing cloud and you're chasing something that's not actually real.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a promo room for first quarter or fourth

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<v Speaker 1>quarter numbers and like that, right, I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>do a shot with you for no reason. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna worst. I'm just hosting, okay, alcoholics. So like, let's

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<v Speaker 1>crib to this area that we have right now. It's

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<v Speaker 1>called the Shock. Let's crib to us this. The Shock

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<v Speaker 1>is an old car garage, probably from the nineteen fifties.

0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.760
<v Speaker 1>I didn't change the outside at all, but inside we

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<v Speaker 1>tricked it out. I would drive by and I told

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<v Speaker 1>my wife, one day's gonna buy it. We're gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>with that shock. I said, don't you worry about what

0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do with that shock. What I did was

0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:49.920
<v Speaker 1>I made this clubhouse. Nothing fancy, but man, this is

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<v Speaker 1>like a home for our culture. Means a lot nor

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<v Speaker 1>that think you came here the last time I saw DMX.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a great night here. All he brought them by.

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<v Speaker 1>We've had parties here with common with rhyme and and

0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.840
<v Speaker 1>freestyle or a chance to wrap. All kinds of people

0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:12.760
<v Speaker 1>just fall through and we make we make memories. The

0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:17.120
<v Speaker 1>walls in the here splattered with just random night memories.

0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Photographer Matchi Baton, I think took all these photos with

0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.440
<v Speaker 1>the exception on the block party post. It's me and

0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Most a comedy club in London. We had a great

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<v Speaker 1>time that night. We ended up watching the super Bowl

0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.720
<v Speaker 1>and then then halftime called Colin kaebinet because we could

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of this, you know, like like this is

0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:51.520
<v Speaker 1>a strange place, Ohio, but it's a good place. But

0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:55.720
<v Speaker 1>the memories we may hear, our legendary things have happened

0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.640
<v Speaker 1>in this room, in this town people wouldn't even believe,

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<v Speaker 1>and qualities of regularly seen the regularly outum here in

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<v Speaker 1>this rage. So can I say something because a lot

0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.040
<v Speaker 1>of times people move to Miami and say I'm never

0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.720
<v Speaker 1>coming home. I'm gonna stay here. A lot of policy

0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:13.919
<v Speaker 1>pople go to Japan and say I'm never coming home,

0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:15.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm staying here. They go to l A. This is

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<v Speaker 1>probably the first time a person said I'm going I'm

0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.800
<v Speaker 1>staying in Ohio. I'm never going back. How did you?

0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.639
<v Speaker 1>How did you discover this? We don't know if that

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<v Speaker 1>needs its own episode. What I mean, we do the thing? Yeah,

0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:47.119
<v Speaker 1>home culture, you're here, man chance whatever was complaining about it,

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<v Speaker 1>But let me say, let me tell you something, Dave. Um,

0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:53.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it was about giving people their flowers and

0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:57.800
<v Speaker 1>giving people um their praises. Now and Um, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>just tell you something I've seen the likes of I

0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.320
<v Speaker 1>was too young for Richard Pryor, so I came Eddie Murphy.

0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:05.280
<v Speaker 1>I remember when people went to go see Eddie Murphy

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<v Speaker 1>movies and they got dipped like like they was taking

0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.480
<v Speaker 1>pictures for the mo they were in the movie. And

0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:15.520
<v Speaker 1>I've seen these comedians run. And I've always seen people

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<v Speaker 1>go Hollywood and you know, leave certain people. The thing

0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:23.800
<v Speaker 1>that specially about Daves as you always have hip hop

0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.920
<v Speaker 1>with you. When I did your bell show, and I

0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.359
<v Speaker 1>wanted to do music I couldn't get. People would come on.

0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.720
<v Speaker 1>I would reach out the artists and like, like, who

0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:35.520
<v Speaker 1>could you remember that? You try to get I'm not

0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:39.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna say any names. He's he's a dirty motherfucker's going

0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:48.240
<v Speaker 1>just you know what love? And I didn't know what love.

0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:52.600
<v Speaker 1>But in their defense or whatever, heard of this show anything,

0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:54.919
<v Speaker 1>So so that I come over here to everyone come

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<v Speaker 1>away for one second, because this is a funny part.

0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:01.920
<v Speaker 1>It is all funny. Um, we know, yeah, yeah, go

0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:05.720
<v Speaker 1>over there. We know we need to read the listen

0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:17.399
<v Speaker 1>mostly professional. Yeah, see and and and Dave, me and

0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Tyler has always been great. I felt like after I

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<v Speaker 1>had a certain person on my show, we even got

0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:28.399
<v Speaker 1>tight up, which is not heard of because when certain

0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:33.960
<v Speaker 1>things like that happened, most people you do. I was

0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:43.320
<v Speaker 1>with okay when the drink okay. So I called each other, Oh,

0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:45.240
<v Speaker 1>I called you, you called me or whatever. We called

0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:46.959
<v Speaker 1>each other, and we said we can't let this come

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<v Speaker 1>out without telling hold on, hold hold right, without telling

0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.720
<v Speaker 1>Tyler at first. I telling t first. So I would

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<v Speaker 1>like to ask y'all, where was y'all that when y'all

0:19:56.840 --> 0:20:01.160
<v Speaker 1>first heard Kanye say this is not the Kennedy's assassination.

0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:06.919
<v Speaker 1>First of all, where are you? It was eating Mary's

0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:18.320
<v Speaker 1>potatoes when it came across the wire. We were again,

0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:24.440
<v Speaker 1>and what happened in different because y'all get high. Look look, no, no,

0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:28.280
<v Speaker 1>no no. The only reason we're even smoking and drinking

0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:31.720
<v Speaker 1>and entertaining this tom foolery is because going the show

0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:37.639
<v Speaker 1>called Drink Chiss right, you mean drink Champs. I'm standing

0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:45.160
<v Speaker 1>next to mean drink Chap. Nobody's working with him. So y'all, y'all,

0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:51.240
<v Speaker 1>and what happens I don't remember listening to listen. No, no, no, listen.

0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Pop culture is a desert right now, and your show

0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:04.480
<v Speaker 1>is an anomaly. And that Kanye west Uh interview you

0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.880
<v Speaker 1>did was one of my favorite things that I've seen

0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:15.840
<v Speaker 1>in all of pop culture in recent history. I funk

0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.440
<v Speaker 1>with Kanye, but man, I ain't seen him like that

0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:23.760
<v Speaker 1>in a minute. It was funny, it was engaging, and

0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:26.600
<v Speaker 1>then this nigger had to go in on Quality's head.

0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:36.880
<v Speaker 1>I forgot about. He said something about Quality making baseball

0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:43.280
<v Speaker 1>heads paper that I ain't no disrespecting laugh. I would

0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:46.800
<v Speaker 1>like to beat you up, Toddler, because honestly, I could

0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:49.480
<v Speaker 1>tell the first two days we spoke, you were hot, okay,

0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:53.240
<v Speaker 1>I can tell, but you trusted me as a friend, huh.

0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:56.440
<v Speaker 1>And I was really respect that because you knew I

0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:59.600
<v Speaker 1>see your toler I couldn't stop anything, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>once once the person starts to go and the person

0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:04.320
<v Speaker 1>of that kind of but I just like, damn, what

0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:06.320
<v Speaker 1>do I do? I can't throw a muzzle on him.

0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:08.800
<v Speaker 1>But you could have. You could have took this the

0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:12.240
<v Speaker 1>wrong wrong way. You could have you could have called

0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:20.080
<v Speaker 1>about no, no, because I killed that mother for that

0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:26.600
<v Speaker 1>baseball hat com in. Nobody, nobody hat know what this

0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:29.320
<v Speaker 1>thing was. This thing was not hot at all. I

0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:35.560
<v Speaker 1>was with him immediately, Yeah he was not. But my

0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:38.920
<v Speaker 1>first two calls, I was nervous. But then the third

0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:42.280
<v Speaker 1>and fourth and everyone you kind of like just brush

0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:44.960
<v Speaker 1>it off. And it was just like, but you said

0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:48.280
<v Speaker 1>something to me that was very, very probably the most popular,

0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:50.920
<v Speaker 1>probably the most illest things I've ever heard in my life.

0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.760
<v Speaker 1>You said to me the thing about Kanye, even when

0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:58.760
<v Speaker 1>he disses you, he helps you m And you said,

0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:02.720
<v Speaker 1>the problem with him he knows that. I do remember

0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:06.200
<v Speaker 1>saying that. I agree with that. So I didn't hear this.

0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:18.440
<v Speaker 1>I heard of this because I heard I did that

0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:20.439
<v Speaker 1>had fun with it. But you know, you think, are

0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:23.600
<v Speaker 1>you getting phone calls? How? How is this? How does this?

0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:27.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean obviously me and fan called you, but the

0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:30.800
<v Speaker 1>episode drops. Are you getting phone calls? How does this

0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:33.640
<v Speaker 1>work for you? Oh? Yeah, that was good times. Um,

0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:37.399
<v Speaker 1>it was good times. It felt like you know what

0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:40.240
<v Speaker 1>it felt like. It felt like having a hit record out.

0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:44.040
<v Speaker 1>That's how it felt, the way that I remember like

0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:48.359
<v Speaker 1>when get By was out. Just how it just so

0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:50.280
<v Speaker 1>it just so, it just you know, it reminded me

0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:53.600
<v Speaker 1>of what Kanye meant to the culture. And you know,

0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:57.440
<v Speaker 1>the hat ship was funny to me. Um, it was hilarious.

0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:00.080
<v Speaker 1>Thought was I lacked? But I didn't even realize with

0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:03.359
<v Speaker 1>hats like that. I was like, because you helped me

0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:05.560
<v Speaker 1>because y'all put it in two parts, right, so it

0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:09.000
<v Speaker 1>was it was a cliffhanger, right, And the first part

0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:10.920
<v Speaker 1>he just dissed me, and I didn't see the second part.

0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:12.920
<v Speaker 1>The first part I was like, oh, that was weird,

0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:15.680
<v Speaker 1>but the second part you was like, yo, but didn't

0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:17.840
<v Speaker 1>you just see him? And what she was talking about

0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:21.720
<v Speaker 1>was pictures at my Dave Chappelle comedy show, which was

0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:25.800
<v Speaker 1>on my birthday, I DJ. I'm DJ, and Dave says,

0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Kanye gonna show U. Kanye shows up, no security nothing.

0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:31.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, I'm gonna playing all Kanye set. He

0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:34.040
<v Speaker 1>sat next to me. We had a great time. That

0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:36.000
<v Speaker 1>was like a month before I saw my drink chairs

0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:39.520
<v Speaker 1>at the at the stand, I broke it up. But

0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:41.280
<v Speaker 1>now you know, it was my birthday, so I had

0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:43.959
<v Speaker 1>all my people with me, a lot of flapush niggas,

0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:48.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of baseball hats. So when Kanye said it's

0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:53.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna be twelve niggas with baseball hats, which niggas he

0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:56.480
<v Speaker 1>was talking about what I'm saying, and we all had

0:24:56.480 --> 0:24:58.359
<v Speaker 1>a group chat. Well you know we you know, you're

0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:00.000
<v Speaker 1>a certain age you on the group chat with your

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:02.320
<v Speaker 1>friends who back in the day were on the group

0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:05.520
<v Speaker 1>chatters laughing about ship um. But you know, it was

0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:07.639
<v Speaker 1>a moment that I had that I had to I

0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:09.920
<v Speaker 1>had to have fun with it because I got a

0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:14.439
<v Speaker 1>lot of love for Kanye UM, and he seemed there

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:17.480
<v Speaker 1>was there was underlying context behind that. You know, It's

0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:19.879
<v Speaker 1>really had nothing to do with bars or common of

0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:21.800
<v Speaker 1>baseball hats and none of that, and nothing to do

0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:28.320
<v Speaker 1>with that and so for me it was Kanye got

0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:31.760
<v Speaker 1>a huge platform, and I care and I you know,

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm like Marlow from the Ward. My name is my name.

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:36.280
<v Speaker 1>You don't speak my name in no disrepectful way. That's

0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:38.480
<v Speaker 1>how I feel. Um. And he got a huge platform,

0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:40.720
<v Speaker 1>and I love him any my friend and my brother.

0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:42.760
<v Speaker 1>So this was all I loved that about you. Very

0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:48.119
<v Speaker 1>conflicting and difficult expressed on drinks before me, and to

0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:50.800
<v Speaker 1>be real, me expressing that drink chance is what he

0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:53.359
<v Speaker 1>was responded to when he when he said what he

0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:56.360
<v Speaker 1>had to say. It was when I saw the documentary

0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:58.159
<v Speaker 1>and shout out of cooty because I think he did

0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 1>a great job. But when I sort of coumentary this

0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:02.320
<v Speaker 1>moment in the documentary and me and y'all seen Bay

0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:04.760
<v Speaker 1>together with Kanye, and I'll be honest with you, my

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:07.119
<v Speaker 1>life was moving so fast at the time. A lot

0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:09.040
<v Speaker 1>of shows, a lot of drinking, a lot of smoking,

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot of just rather, that's a lot of ship.

0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:20.840
<v Speaker 1>I want to I wanted this documentary, and I don't

0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:25.200
<v Speaker 1>remember those moments, and so me not remembering those moments,

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I had to realize, well, if I don't even remember

0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:29.720
<v Speaker 1>those moments, I had to see my film. The people

0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.080
<v Speaker 1>who wasn't there, they definitely don't know about that, so

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:33.960
<v Speaker 1>they don't have no context. So I have to stop

0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 1>even be considering the context of people who wasn't there,

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. Like for the people who

0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:42.639
<v Speaker 1>was there, they know you know what I'm saying, And

0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:46.040
<v Speaker 1>that's that's that's what that documentary reminded me of. Okay,

0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:49.680
<v Speaker 1>very briefly, I spoke to consequence al right. It was

0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:53.560
<v Speaker 1>just when the first episode dropped, by the way, with

0:26:53.680 --> 0:27:03.680
<v Speaker 1>this thing consequence perfect teeth f me. So someone I

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 1>spoke the consequence, So yeah, I see. So when I

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 1>supposed a consequence, at first, it seemed like he was,

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:22.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, a little descrunted because people was using footage

0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 1>of him that UM was from from from early on,

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:29.040
<v Speaker 1>and then later on it seemed like it was like

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 1>it was cool. But one of the forties from the

0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Kanye documentaries you just broke up is you kept saying

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 1>this guy is going to be the guy. Yeah. I did,

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:46.720
<v Speaker 1>like very confidently too. Yeah, I mean I think you

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 1>ever said you gonna do the whole album together. It's

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 1>fairly obvious to men from the from the get go.

0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Where I was headed where it already was. When you

0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:06.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't mean he was amazing producer, Um, he had

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:11.240
<v Speaker 1>all the star quality. He was different, he challenged, in

0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 1>my opinion, a lot of the macho notion this associated

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:21.719
<v Speaker 1>with hip hop specifically, like he even just said recently,

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 1>he said, you won't do U four years in college,

0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 1>but he's twenty five of Life's disrespect to every gigster

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 1>nigger in the world. No one can become quite well.

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:34.359
<v Speaker 1>He said what he said, he said in college. Don't

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:36.600
<v Speaker 1>do four years in college, but you do twenty life.

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:39.800
<v Speaker 1>What he's trying to say, I mean, this is very

0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:44.480
<v Speaker 1>hood what I'm doing. It's all good, okay, when we

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:48.320
<v Speaker 1>placed our value yea. And then he also said me

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 1>and that has we change? Like it's also like you

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 1>this in a million I've never heard this before, but

0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>who is this in a millionaire? Don't want which mann

0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 1>this All of us took my ship. I'm talking abo

0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:25.640
<v Speaker 1>river fishing boats made out of nitrial rubber. I see

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 1>what you're saying on the documentary, and I see what

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:31.920
<v Speaker 1>even Dave said. When Dave said, like, you know, he

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 1>was watching these clips with Kanye and Kanye but said

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm dope. What I'm doing dope ship. But what I'm

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 1>trying to get from you is what was the actual

0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 1>thing that you knew that this guy was great? You

0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 1>listened to the Beach, he did the truth for bet Seagull.

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>If this guy is fifty is good ms with the beach,

0:29:56.760 --> 0:30:02.560
<v Speaker 1>He's gonna n Diamond D. There's another uh MC producer,

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 1>hip hop is it is a classic um Pete rock

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 1>who he was just kind of like further around it sometimes.

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Whatever he would do, it was, it was. It was

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 1>a pure thing. I take it is the same way

0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Dylan is the same way um Um for all. Corye

0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:22.080
<v Speaker 1>took it to the fullest, you know extension where he

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 1>was like no, I'm and people weren't trying to accept

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Connie because he didn't fit into the archetype of what

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:33.720
<v Speaker 1>has been sold as a solo rapper image at that time.

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 1>He changed the power aim for it was possible and

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 1>in terms of an audience connecting with um with not

0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 1>just the music, but also an approach him and the

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 1>whole thing with the you know, college dropout, with the

0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:50.520
<v Speaker 1>mascot all that, it's like it's art. You know what

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying it wasn't about him. You know, I'm on

0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 1>the block doing this and this and that, but he

0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 1>and he made songs that the appeal to everybody, no

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 1>matter where you were. You know, it was just it

0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 1>was just good music. I mean, you know, good life

0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:08.440
<v Speaker 1>is not about some macho posta. It's just dope, you know.

0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 1>So that's what I appreciate it about him. And I

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:18.920
<v Speaker 1>saw what Puff was doing with no way out what

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:21.400
<v Speaker 1>I was like, if that's working them, I no, just

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 1>pauper Puff is not Broa like Cone Public, not even

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Wa like Dr Dre. Dr Dre is going in on

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 1>those bards, whether he wrote them or not, he sounds fantastic.

0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Then I say that Pup doesn't. But it's just, you know,

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 1>it's another hemisphere. Kanye was like, and he said that

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 1>ain't nobody, don't, don't can help you go and get

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Ain't nobody colleges do the rapping attract triple double nor assys.

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:51.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like he's telling you, and when you have that

0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 1>type of talent musically, but naturally you don't have something

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 1>interesting the same and through the wires. It's the most

0:31:57.080 --> 0:32:00.680
<v Speaker 1>rocking rooms. Shoupever who does a verse with they your

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 1>wife shout after they you know, like and this is

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 1>the response to like flying out of the window of

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:09.000
<v Speaker 1>a moving car to their driving like you know, like

0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, in a barely thirty or like in his

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:15.320
<v Speaker 1>early thirties, and so it's like that's a serious thing.

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it was just always evident to me he

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 1>had division after he came out with graduation. Let me

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:26.960
<v Speaker 1>say a story, so graduation hoping I had none of

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 1>my teeth because I was going, Um, what kind of

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 1>food was you tho? I was very simple, like a

0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:36.840
<v Speaker 1>chicken wing and some rice. Um. But thanks for asking

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 1>and a recent spaces as an appartify, I have another

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:49.480
<v Speaker 1>one now, um um. So Karne just before graduation and

0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 1>this is around the time that it was that whole

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 1>thing between him and fifty, like who's going to have

0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 1>the better first year? Was gonna be the king hip

0:32:56.120 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 1>hop of a boom and this is this is fifty

0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:06.120
<v Speaker 1>posts give us do try and fifties like, uh, you know,

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 1>its presence is up. It's like give us a fine.

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:11.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like, I don't care what you feel about you know,

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 1>gang survived or even fifty himself. But that's ship is classic.

0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean that that is a classic record. So, um,

0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:24.240
<v Speaker 1>the fifties up and he's loaded up with another one,

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 1>and you nobody really knows what it's gonna because people

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:29.520
<v Speaker 1>forget poll the dollar fifty Like with fifty was like

0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>spitting fifty. Yeah, so you know, like fifty was like

0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 1>never got paid as cool. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not,

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 1>just say I feel you. Yeah, he tells me a favorite,

0:33:45.680 --> 0:34:00.160
<v Speaker 1>right right, So it was that whole um battle that

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:03.000
<v Speaker 1>they you know that they were very happy to have it. Man,

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Kanye had a listening sens and it was in a

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 1>movie theater. I never forget it was right over there

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 1>by um no it it's like in the back of

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 1>the old defam but like in the forties and fifties,

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 1>like just off there, like by way cats. The cats

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>did it as you woke that block over it's like

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 1>forty it's not so many students, but it's like it's

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:32.080
<v Speaker 1>like forty nine and now I think it's no, it's

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:33.960
<v Speaker 1>before tests. It's like nine. It's right there in the

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.759
<v Speaker 1>corner when the old yeah, the old deaf gym the

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:40.040
<v Speaker 1>university used to say. Anyway, it was a local movie theater.

0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:43.400
<v Speaker 1>It was there, and what Kanye did is that you

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:47.960
<v Speaker 1>came into the movie theater. He had programs for like

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:49.880
<v Speaker 1>all of the songs and some of the lyrics and

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 1>all that, so so caramel popcorn and edited visuals from

0:34:56.160 --> 0:35:00.800
<v Speaker 1>anime movies that he liked and played that in sync

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:04.400
<v Speaker 1>to the music. The moment that he did that and

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the moment that I left there that I was like,

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:12.279
<v Speaker 1>Kanye wins, I don't care what fifty sent Guy in

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 1>the tank. He is not beating this album at this time.

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:19.040
<v Speaker 1>It's just no way. It was so creative. It was

0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, good Mornings. Graduation is like it's like a

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 1>thriller moment that people actually want to appropriately appropriately appreciate

0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 1>you for this. I mean, and they tried it. I

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:32.920
<v Speaker 1>always felt like they tried to hate on it because

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 1>he really sold a million records in the day. I

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:37.200
<v Speaker 1>don't care what they say. I don't know about the

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:42.399
<v Speaker 1>space program, but he they said he showed his first day.

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 1>The first week is the first day, if I'm not mistakes,

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 1>the first week and first day was the first day,

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:54.160
<v Speaker 1>uh fifty so seven hundred thousand copies. This is before

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Spotify and all of this, like we opened, we got

0:35:59.840 --> 0:36:04.319
<v Speaker 1>so call. He sold nine hundred thousand pieces, which means

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:08.439
<v Speaker 1>he sold themis and he don't want to off. It's

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:11.799
<v Speaker 1>just like, let's quit playing games. It kept it kept

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:15.080
<v Speaker 1>the record industry like floating for at least the next

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:17.879
<v Speaker 1>five years with that, and it helped them transition into

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 1>this whole stream of model because they was just sitting

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:22.640
<v Speaker 1>on a cash and mean, who who performs like that.

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:25.319
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't cold playing, It wasn't YouTube, it wasn't any

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't any other genre. It was Kanye West with beautifully,

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:35.280
<v Speaker 1>cleanly produced album. There was pure hip hop and Barry

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:37.799
<v Speaker 1>Bards like, what are we even talking about? This ship

0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:42.440
<v Speaker 1>is out of control, and yeah, I was like, fifties,

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 1>they don't have nothing. In response to that, he I mean,

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:48.000
<v Speaker 1>he's you know, he's he was riding in the tide

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:51.840
<v Speaker 1>that Kanye created. In my opinion and from an observers

0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 1>point of view, for me, it felt like a referendum

0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 1>on the on the words I don't know what about,

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 1>but just kind of ba've been this whole town. I'd

0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:08.880
<v Speaker 1>been like, yeah, I haven't a reverend. It is like,

0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:11.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like a vote. It's like it's almost

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 1>like a public petition, but it's not exactly a vote,

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:19.680
<v Speaker 1>but it's like something that happens before a vote, but

0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:25.320
<v Speaker 1>they have sign of cultural referendums like this side or

0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:30.239
<v Speaker 1>this side is going to determine the cultural direction for

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:34.480
<v Speaker 1>this group for at least the next five years, if

0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:39.480
<v Speaker 1>not the full generation. And in my opinion, that's what

0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Kanye West Graduation Album did. It opened up the paradigm

0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:54.239
<v Speaker 1>creatively for what could be viewed as uh groundbreaking and

0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 1>inventive and also having big scale, and there was no

0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:02.600
<v Speaker 1>one at that type of pop culture scale who was

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:06.600
<v Speaker 1>being that creative, you know, particularly in hip hop. So

0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:08.840
<v Speaker 1>it was a it's a big moment for the culture.

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and and you know this care for Chicago

0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 1>to everybody stepped on because he was wearing hard bottom

0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:17.800
<v Speaker 1>shoes and you know, you know, fucking card agains with

0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 1>button down shirts. Were not everybody dresses like that, but

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 1>at least wants to you know, like you know, you know,

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Kanye just stayed shoot to himself. I think this was

0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:30.720
<v Speaker 1>the real power. But it's not about following the style

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:35.440
<v Speaker 1>that somebody introduced to you. It's about being you. You know,

0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:40.400
<v Speaker 1>and let me ask there was a cover, right, I

0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:47.359
<v Speaker 1>believe it was you black thought and fall mons, that's

0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:55.759
<v Speaker 1>soce magazine, magazine magazine. This is backpack. I mean, let

0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:57.879
<v Speaker 1>me tell you what the outside of us looking at

0:38:57.880 --> 0:39:04.080
<v Speaker 1>it saying pack hip hop is at the forefront. Now,

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:09.200
<v Speaker 1>I guess, but you know what I mean. Even um,

0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:14.680
<v Speaker 1>but even the backpack coach never accepted that terminology either.

0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 1>It was like it's something that people came up with

0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:20.359
<v Speaker 1>to try to like, you know, I give what people

0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:22.120
<v Speaker 1>coming from with it, but it was like it never

0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:25.080
<v Speaker 1>stuck because it doesn't have any gravity to it. It's like,

0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:29.720
<v Speaker 1>what that's not you know what it is. It's like, Okay,

0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:33.319
<v Speaker 1>so I grew up in Flatbush flat Lands area. It's

0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:36.000
<v Speaker 1>a two fair zone. And so when we went to

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:38.880
<v Speaker 1>when at that time Greenwich Village, Lower East Side, and

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:41.440
<v Speaker 1>go to parties in the city, we hopp in the turnstyle.

0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:45.200
<v Speaker 1>We had backpacks hard and it was a very practical

0:39:45.320 --> 0:39:49.800
<v Speaker 1>New York City Thing'd be like a sign of dangerous,

0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 1>like I do some the trade dude, some of bubble

0:39:54.520 --> 0:40:00.920
<v Speaker 1>like a guy. But then you started seeing then you

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:03.840
<v Speaker 1>start seeing in hip hop videos, you start seeing Grand

0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Puba with the backpack on. Then you have kids from

0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:09.320
<v Speaker 1>the suburbs coming and let me tell you wearing back

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:11.759
<v Speaker 1>at the show. Let me tell you we're backpacked. That's

0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 1>where he came frowned upon backpacks and gangster culture was simultaneously.

0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:22.840
<v Speaker 1>At one time we ran in the same It was

0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 1>one video what they do the roots. It's separated backpack

0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:36.239
<v Speaker 1>and gangster. That sounds personal because it did. It did no,

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:39.840
<v Speaker 1>because you know what it did. Everything that represented gangster

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:45.239
<v Speaker 1>the roots had dissed at that moment. Damn, I'm right now.

0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Let me play some outside baseballs, some outside of baseball.

0:40:57.440 --> 0:41:03.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a rapper, No guessing because I need to

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:07.799
<v Speaker 1>hear y'all face. After that, here I go, Okay, well

0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:14.240
<v Speaker 1>we got the most bitches win. Okay, his head bitches?

0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:25.080
<v Speaker 1>What they do? Who do what they do? Love video? Yes,

0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:29.480
<v Speaker 1>and it was clever. But there was more bitches at

0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 1>the biggest show than there was at one more more

0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:38.960
<v Speaker 1>more particularly, there's more bitches at the NA show. Okay,

0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:40.960
<v Speaker 1>but that but they didn't come yet. What they do

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:44.160
<v Speaker 1>was before tell you something, what they do before you

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:49.359
<v Speaker 1>tell something. I don't know if I remember me at

0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:52.680
<v Speaker 1>NAS happened to meet it and him saying that is

0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:57.239
<v Speaker 1>about me a meeting about this I'm saying, your b son,

0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:01.200
<v Speaker 1>this is not about you at all. But remember when

0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:03.680
<v Speaker 1>they're tasting the rapper through where they tasting the rapper

0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 1>through a Queen's bridge in the projects, not Queen's bridge,

0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:11.839
<v Speaker 1>any projects in America, but every project looks the same.

0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:15.960
<v Speaker 1>So I remember that that that was the time, this

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:19.799
<v Speaker 1>long rudge that can't believe, I can't believe you still

0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:29.800
<v Speaker 1>have trauma over there? What they do video backpack that no, no,

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:32.920
<v Speaker 1>but he sounds like you know, he sound like Memphis

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Beleef talking about the nozzle No, because you know what.

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:37.879
<v Speaker 1>You know what it was crazy to me was when

0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Kanye said that, he said I was faking being a

0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:46.200
<v Speaker 1>backpack wrapper and boot Camp. People from boot Camp came

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:49.200
<v Speaker 1>at us and said, yo, we want to respond to Kanye.

0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I don't think they were talking

0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:54.640
<v Speaker 1>about you at Yeah, I don't think he was talking.

0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 1>He was talking about buckshot, buckshots, people who hit us.

0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 1>And because you want remember who got the prov video

0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:12.560
<v Speaker 1>buckshot five foot with the backpacks jumping around and said

0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:15.439
<v Speaker 1>that was the first is that considered that he felt

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:17.400
<v Speaker 1>that way. That's why they backed that, That's why they

0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:28.400
<v Speaker 1>felt that felt they brought it down. But I didn't

0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:32.640
<v Speaker 1>understand that when buck because they had the backpacks, they

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:36.640
<v Speaker 1>got the person Buckshot. Buckshot performs he wears a backpack.

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:40.160
<v Speaker 1>I just did the apolo with care. Was one came

0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:42.200
<v Speaker 1>out with the backpacker. You know what, Now I get now,

0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 1>I get it, not get what he was doing. He

0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 1>came back, he took he he put the backpack on

0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:53.040
<v Speaker 1>the ground and he turned around like this. That's what

0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:56.439
<v Speaker 1>he did. Now I understand what he was doing. Buckshot. Yeah,

0:43:57.040 --> 0:44:00.440
<v Speaker 1>he was making a statement about backpacks. But kan you

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 1>definitely was talking about that. He was talking about the

0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 1>underground scene, which I was saying because that was the

0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:10.560
<v Speaker 1>scene that was supporting him. He's talking about in Puerto

0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:22.240
<v Speaker 1>Rican busy. Yeah, so least never died. Man with a moment,

0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:26.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing the drink Champs and Yellow Springs, Ohio with

0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:31.759
<v Speaker 1>most death in time of quality. Nigga, we only need

0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:36.279
<v Speaker 1>extra pages in our passports because we are those kinds

0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:41.160
<v Speaker 1>of niggas. We need travel this world. One does it

0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:45.319
<v Speaker 1>and here we all are in Milan nowhere being us.

0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:50.359
<v Speaker 1>It feels good. Man. Listen. The fact that they did

0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 1>this out on Luminary is a bar. The fact that

0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:58.759
<v Speaker 1>I get to test this process like this is an

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