Speaker 1: She don't want you to getting your back, staying your back.
Speaker 1: She ain't don't want my love. I guess I gotta
Speaker 1: move on. Yeah, Yeah, she my love. I guess I
Speaker 1: gotta move on. Yeah. Welcome to Drink Champs, the production
Speaker 1: of the Black Effect and I Heart Radio and his
Speaker 1: Drink Chess, motherfucking podcast. He's a legendary Queen's Wrapper. He's
Speaker 1: agree it's your boy here, no R. He's a Miami
Speaker 1: hipp hop pioneer, Curt up as d j e f N.
Speaker 1: Together they drinking up with some of the biggest players
Speaker 1: mean in the most professional unprofessional podcast and number one
Speaker 1: sorts for drunk New Year's Time. Trick Up Mother Mother
Speaker 1: would good be hoping he would should be point what
Speaker 1: U d j e f N And it's drink Chance
Speaker 1: tab crazy warp ya will make something? And right now
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, man, when we're looking at these
Speaker 1: two brothers here, as at one point I never thought
Speaker 1: I would see them back together. One brother was in
Speaker 1: Africa like an instance. The other brother was in Utica sells.
Speaker 1: So then we got another brother will pop into the area.
Speaker 1: Now the most legendary but we'll talk about that later.
Speaker 1: But let's just get that they had just dropped album
Speaker 1: that is just for the fans, and they could have
Speaker 1: put it on Spotify, they could have put it on iTunes,
Speaker 1: they could have put it on your local Julry. No,
Speaker 1: they wanted to put it for their fans, their fans only.
Speaker 1: These guys are monkey footing footing and they're still the
Speaker 1: most lyrical motherfucker's in the game. And I'm listening to
Speaker 1: this album and they're not slipping up even a little bit.
Speaker 1: And they got a lot of money. In case you
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm talking about, we're talking about the one,
Speaker 1: the only motherfucker blackstar. Now, y'all seen bad. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: start with you. I don't have a lot of money.
Speaker 1: I live on the stipend. Yeah, me too. Do we
Speaker 1: have that clip? Now? Let me just tell you something,
Speaker 1: y'all seen bay. This is real talk. Whenever I'm down
Speaker 1: and I feel like life it's fucked up and I
Speaker 1: don't want to keep moving on. Oh, I feel like music,
Speaker 1: it's not where I wanted to be. I always go
Speaker 1: to this clip and I watched this and this ship
Speaker 1: saves my life. This is real talk. Can you play it? Please? Oh?
Speaker 1: Like that's the old man. That's not even then. It's
Speaker 1: just you know, I'm not it's not. It's all favorable.
Speaker 1: Its beautiful. That blazer was gortious. Don't forget to dark
Speaker 1: the whole thing. It's a good moment. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you why I love that clip the dude rags, if
Speaker 1: the door was a good day, the success, the success
Speaker 1: of Your Soul, the success of Black Starter, success of
Speaker 1: Dave Jappelle's show. Your bars are not supposed to be
Speaker 1: like that. Um, yes they are there because what I'm
Speaker 1: this is what I'm here to do. This is allows
Speaker 1: gift to me right. So you must, you know, put
Speaker 1: your crown on many months. You always knew that I was.
Speaker 1: I was great at ryman from the mom started I
Speaker 1: was nine years old. I was never not good. I
Speaker 1: think we should makes no noise of that. You don't
Speaker 1: need that confidence. I'm gonna be honest, and I swear
Speaker 1: to god I really wasn't because had we just did
Speaker 1: this interview would just be just us and not at
Speaker 1: the shock. I swear to God, this is something that
Speaker 1: really motivates me because I fall out of love of
Speaker 1: music a lot like I fall out of love with
Speaker 1: the business. Did us a business? I mean, there's nothing.
Speaker 1: It's not you know, you should fall out of love.
Speaker 1: That means your human being, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not worthy of your love. You understand. This is
Speaker 1: not the music, so is another thing altogether. I mean,
Speaker 1: the the fence around it called the industry is just
Speaker 1: you know, it's just a industrial fence, you know. So
Speaker 1: we had Top Level on the show and we actually
Speaker 1: asked him, um, well you're a where about said what time?
Speaker 1: Because we had he was like, no, man at one point, right,
Speaker 1: I'm alive on a planet Earth. My country's Earth. I'm
Speaker 1: from a country called Earth like everybody else. So that's
Speaker 1: my perspective on life and living in places. Never heard
Speaker 1: of this, yeah, because that was the rule. What the
Speaker 1: rumor was, you went to Africa and you lost your
Speaker 1: passport and then you became a citizen of whatever country.
Speaker 1: I'll tell the food story another time, because you know,
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing I was. I was living in
Speaker 1: South Africa and during my stay there, obtained this secondary
Speaker 1: travel document which is well documented the history of it
Speaker 1: and the province of it and and the like. And
Speaker 1: I obtained one and there was some disagreement between you,
Speaker 1: myself and the and the South African government as it
Speaker 1: relates to what they qualifies valid travel document. And that
Speaker 1: was the older part that I remember, because this is
Speaker 1: supposed apoltize, but you know, but it's still apolitize as
Speaker 1: many different outfits these days. Uh So I wouldn't classify
Speaker 1: so much as that, but it wasn't experienced. I often
Speaker 1: invite people to look up the World Passport for themselves
Speaker 1: and just take it from there because I'm not here
Speaker 1: to make up anybody's mind about anything. But that was
Speaker 1: a part of my experience. He said, let me not
Speaker 1: get my hopes up. You said the World's passport, the World.
Speaker 1: I'm a fellow and I cannot fill out for that, right.
Speaker 1: Let's be clear. You have to look at up. But
Speaker 1: I'm sure that this is I feel like I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be citizen. It's information out about it. Anyone
Speaker 1: is invited to check it out from them shoves. I
Speaker 1: don't like a community and people need to be part
Speaker 1: of I don't want to, you know, shut me down.
Speaker 1: You fell it shot the first time I said you
Speaker 1: were going to Africa. You said, dude, they got w's
Speaker 1: in Africa. Was out a lot, because you know why
Speaker 1: they used to lie to me this, to tell me
Speaker 1: I had to get vaccines. I had to get shots
Speaker 1: that depend on the country going over there. This but
Speaker 1: this is this is Africa. Total totality at this time
Speaker 1: until I met a con and then a can said
Speaker 1: you come out there now, vaccine nothing Like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I believe you anymore. Okay, he just sold
Speaker 1: everything to me. He was like, come on, now where
Speaker 1: let's just go. I'm just like I get you New
Speaker 1: Jersey City is different. Let's just let's just get back
Speaker 1: to this album, right you guys? Um, these fans have
Speaker 1: been backing for this album for so long. So on
Speaker 1: this is like a two part question because on one
Speaker 1: part you gave the fans everything they wanted, but then something.
Speaker 1: But to this generation, this might be the most laziest
Speaker 1: generation I've ever seen. Like they have Google, Yeah they
Speaker 1: have Google, and they'll still be like, well how do
Speaker 1: I get it? Right? So I remember a friend of
Speaker 1: Mines had he threw out a movie and this movie
Speaker 1: was so hard to download, like it wasn't in the
Speaker 1: so and he was like, yo, how much people not
Speaker 1: supporting us? We can't find the ship. You know what
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because so how do y'all, y'all, y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all navigate through this the system of you know, these
Speaker 1: fans that because it was Luminary Luminary, everyone doesn't notice
Speaker 1: a subscription based everyone doesn't notice. How do how do
Speaker 1: y'all navigate? This is the first album like music project
Speaker 1: on that because the podcast there you go? You knew
Speaker 1: we did a podcast to that come off? Because I
Speaker 1: mean and listen, I'm not gonna uh differentiate between real
Speaker 1: and fake fans because who knows what station people are
Speaker 1: in life and with what they are in their life
Speaker 1: to even know that we have but we have made
Speaker 1: a choice for a lot of valid reasons to be
Speaker 1: in control of where and how we just tribute our art.
Speaker 1: And I think every artist should have that choice, just
Speaker 1: like every human beings. You have a choice where to
Speaker 1: so they wears that if they if they got wears
Speaker 1: um and so because of that choice to have our
Speaker 1: podcast on Luminary, people's parties on Luminary, people who have
Speaker 1: been following us, and am I saying real fans, but
Speaker 1: people who have come on a journey with us have
Speaker 1: been followed what we are seeing bays done with our installations.
Speaker 1: Who understand about the albums that he's worked on, who
Speaker 1: understand who followed me and styles p Me and dimond
Speaker 1: d album, the ones who follow who go to Netflix
Speaker 1: and see on Day Chappelle specials. These people was already Onliminary.
Speaker 1: They were already listening to Midnight Miracle, you know. And
Speaker 1: again I want to stress that's not even a judgment
Speaker 1: or nothing. But at this point in our careers and
Speaker 1: because of the way the music business, and speaking for myself,
Speaker 1: we we have to as as men um and as
Speaker 1: artists focus on not trying to cast a wide net
Speaker 1: and get everybody. Because even me as a fan, as
Speaker 1: a fan of black Star, I want to hear black
Speaker 1: Star wherever I feel like hearing it. But me as
Speaker 1: as a fan of black Star, also want to trust
Speaker 1: black Star, and I also want to follow black Star
Speaker 1: lead and it And for us it makes sense not
Speaker 1: to cast a wide and try to get everybody. But
Speaker 1: for the people who are are following us and people
Speaker 1: who are rocking with us, let's get them first. And
Speaker 1: you know what, we may have vinyl come out, we
Speaker 1: may do other things. I mean, we you know, it's
Speaker 1: a supple choice. It's not like there's an effort to
Speaker 1: make it unnecessarily inconvenient for people. I mean from from
Speaker 1: my point of view, I mean, it seems fairly accessible
Speaker 1: and like a reasonable distance for any listener to cover,
Speaker 1: you know, with consolidating the experience, you're saying, you don't
Speaker 1: have to go to all of these different places, you
Speaker 1: could just come right here. And you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: a question of value. If you value what we're doing,
Speaker 1: and we've explained to you, I mean quite clearly in
Speaker 1: in uh, in various formats, the reasons why we why
Speaker 1: we've chosen to do this, and the principles behind it,
Speaker 1: and what we're trying to establish and what we're trying
Speaker 1: to reform in many ways, uh that exists in the system.
Speaker 1: Then it's like it's a no brainer. You're supporting the
Speaker 1: historical project with an historical approach. So if that's too
Speaker 1: cumbersome for you with the like, just stay where you
Speaker 1: are to be quite candid, because you know when it's
Speaker 1: not We're not here to just bower to make things
Speaker 1: like convenient for people per se. You know, we're not
Speaker 1: complicating the process in this way. If the machine as
Speaker 1: it exists now was more amenable and fair within no problem.
Speaker 1: But when they like in a legalized criminal enterprise and
Speaker 1: essence and my observation. But then, I mean, like back
Speaker 1: in the days, if you want a good you know,
Speaker 1: go front, you have to go to out we square more.
Speaker 1: But no, no, it's not even that. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not even that. It's like, you know, again, there's a
Speaker 1: prevailing metric that exists that does not take the artists
Speaker 1: into consideration at all, that really doesn't take humanity into
Speaker 1: consideration at all, to be perfectly candid, um, and what
Speaker 1: we're doing is a very human thing. So it's we're
Speaker 1: not gonna let the machine set the pace for us
Speaker 1: when we built the machine. In essence, you know, she
Speaker 1: can't do what we do. There's gonna be people that
Speaker 1: listening they don't artists that don't know there's creative ways
Speaker 1: to release their music and maintain ownership. And without getting
Speaker 1: into the details of your business, it seems like what
Speaker 1: you did here is to maintain ownership. You know, get
Speaker 1: what you're going to get something out of putting it out.
Speaker 1: You you could do something else with it down the line.
Speaker 1: It is the life of it. I mean, it came
Speaker 1: out two weeks ago. You know barely. You know, this
Speaker 1: is just the beginning. It's it's not like something that
Speaker 1: just came out this week and it's gonna go away,
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's it's historically preserved. And that's the difference.
Speaker 1: And you have to have the confidence of knowing that
Speaker 1: you're in a position to do that and knowing that
Speaker 1: your album, like we called a no fair of Time,
Speaker 1: will stand the test of time. If you're chasing the moment,
Speaker 1: you're chasing cloud and you're chasing something that's not actually real.
Speaker 1: It's not a promo room for first quarter or fourth
Speaker 1: quarter numbers and like that, right, I just want to
Speaker 1: do a shot with you for no reason. It's just
Speaker 1: gonna worst. I'm just hosting, okay, alcoholics. So like, let's
Speaker 1: crib to this area that we have right now. It's
Speaker 1: called the Shock. Let's crib to us this. The Shock
Speaker 1: is an old car garage, probably from the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 1: I didn't change the outside at all, but inside we
Speaker 1: tricked it out. I would drive by and I told
Speaker 1: my wife, one day's gonna buy it. We're gonna do
Speaker 1: with that shock. I said, don't you worry about what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do with that shock. What I did was
Speaker 1: I made this clubhouse. Nothing fancy, but man, this is
Speaker 1: like a home for our culture. Means a lot nor
Speaker 1: that think you came here the last time I saw DMX.
Speaker 1: We had a great night here. All he brought them by.
Speaker 1: We've had parties here with common with rhyme and and
Speaker 1: freestyle or a chance to wrap. All kinds of people
Speaker 1: just fall through and we make we make memories. The
Speaker 1: walls in the here splattered with just random night memories.
Speaker 1: Photographer Matchi Baton, I think took all these photos with
Speaker 1: the exception on the block party post. It's me and
Speaker 1: Most a comedy club in London. We had a great
Speaker 1: time that night. We ended up watching the super Bowl
Speaker 1: and then then halftime called Colin kaebinet because we could
Speaker 1: a lot of this, you know, like like this is
Speaker 1: a strange place, Ohio, but it's a good place. But
Speaker 1: the memories we may hear, our legendary things have happened
Speaker 1: in this room, in this town people wouldn't even believe,
Speaker 1: and qualities of regularly seen the regularly outum here in
Speaker 1: this rage. So can I say something because a lot
Speaker 1: of times people move to Miami and say I'm never
Speaker 1: coming home. I'm gonna stay here. A lot of policy
Speaker 1: pople go to Japan and say I'm never coming home,
Speaker 1: I'm staying here. They go to l A. This is
Speaker 1: probably the first time a person said I'm going I'm
Speaker 1: staying in Ohio. I'm never going back. How did you?
Speaker 1: How did you discover this? We don't know if that
Speaker 1: needs its own episode. What I mean, we do the thing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: home culture, you're here, man chance whatever was complaining about it,
Speaker 1: But let me say, let me tell you something, Dave. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was about giving people their flowers and
Speaker 1: giving people um their praises. Now and Um, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just tell you something I've seen the likes of I
Speaker 1: was too young for Richard Pryor, so I came Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 1: I remember when people went to go see Eddie Murphy
Speaker 1: movies and they got dipped like like they was taking
Speaker 1: pictures for the mo they were in the movie. And
Speaker 1: I've seen these comedians run. And I've always seen people
Speaker 1: go Hollywood and you know, leave certain people. The thing
Speaker 1: that specially about Daves as you always have hip hop
Speaker 1: with you. When I did your bell show, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to do music I couldn't get. People would come on.
Speaker 1: I would reach out the artists and like, like, who
Speaker 1: could you remember that? You try to get I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say any names. He's he's a dirty motherfucker's going
Speaker 1: just you know what love? And I didn't know what love.
Speaker 1: But in their defense or whatever, heard of this show anything,
Speaker 1: So so that I come over here to everyone come
Speaker 1: away for one second, because this is a funny part.
Speaker 1: It is all funny. Um, we know, yeah, yeah, go
Speaker 1: over there. We know we need to read the listen
Speaker 1: mostly professional. Yeah, see and and and Dave, me and
Speaker 1: Tyler has always been great. I felt like after I
Speaker 1: had a certain person on my show, we even got
Speaker 1: tight up, which is not heard of because when certain
Speaker 1: things like that happened, most people you do. I was
Speaker 1: with okay when the drink okay. So I called each other, Oh,
Speaker 1: I called you, you called me or whatever. We called
Speaker 1: each other, and we said we can't let this come
Speaker 1: out without telling hold on, hold hold right, without telling
Speaker 1: Tyler at first. I telling t first. So I would
Speaker 1: like to ask y'all, where was y'all that when y'all
Speaker 1: first heard Kanye say this is not the Kennedy's assassination.
Speaker 1: First of all, where are you? It was eating Mary's
Speaker 1: potatoes when it came across the wire. We were again,
Speaker 1: and what happened in different because y'all get high. Look look, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. The only reason we're even smoking and drinking
Speaker 1: and entertaining this tom foolery is because going the show
Speaker 1: called Drink Chiss right, you mean drink Champs. I'm standing
Speaker 1: next to mean drink Chap. Nobody's working with him. So y'all, y'all,
Speaker 1: and what happens I don't remember listening to listen. No, no, no, listen.
Speaker 1: Pop culture is a desert right now, and your show
Speaker 1: is an anomaly. And that Kanye west Uh interview you
Speaker 1: did was one of my favorite things that I've seen
Speaker 1: in all of pop culture in recent history. I funk
Speaker 1: with Kanye, but man, I ain't seen him like that
Speaker 1: in a minute. It was funny, it was engaging, and
Speaker 1: then this nigger had to go in on Quality's head.
Speaker 1: I forgot about. He said something about Quality making baseball
Speaker 1: heads paper that I ain't no disrespecting laugh. I would
Speaker 1: like to beat you up, Toddler, because honestly, I could
Speaker 1: tell the first two days we spoke, you were hot, okay,
Speaker 1: I can tell, but you trusted me as a friend, huh.
Speaker 1: And I was really respect that because you knew I
Speaker 1: see your toler I couldn't stop anything, you know, like
Speaker 1: once once the person starts to go and the person
Speaker 1: of that kind of but I just like, damn, what
Speaker 1: do I do? I can't throw a muzzle on him.
Speaker 1: But you could have. You could have took this the
Speaker 1: wrong wrong way. You could have you could have called
Speaker 1: about no, no, because I killed that mother for that
Speaker 1: baseball hat com in. Nobody, nobody hat know what this
Speaker 1: thing was. This thing was not hot at all. I
Speaker 1: was with him immediately, Yeah he was not. But my
Speaker 1: first two calls, I was nervous. But then the third
Speaker 1: and fourth and everyone you kind of like just brush
Speaker 1: it off. And it was just like, but you said
Speaker 1: something to me that was very, very probably the most popular,
Speaker 1: probably the most illest things I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 1: You said to me the thing about Kanye, even when
Speaker 1: he disses you, he helps you m And you said,
Speaker 1: the problem with him he knows that. I do remember
Speaker 1: saying that. I agree with that. So I didn't hear this.
Speaker 1: I heard of this because I heard I did that
Speaker 1: had fun with it. But you know, you think, are
Speaker 1: you getting phone calls? How? How is this? How does this?
Speaker 1: I mean obviously me and fan called you, but the
Speaker 1: episode drops. Are you getting phone calls? How does this
Speaker 1: work for you? Oh? Yeah, that was good times. Um,
Speaker 1: it was good times. It felt like you know what
Speaker 1: it felt like. It felt like having a hit record out.
Speaker 1: That's how it felt, the way that I remember like
Speaker 1: when get By was out. Just how it just so
Speaker 1: it just so, it just you know, it reminded me
Speaker 1: of what Kanye meant to the culture. And you know,
Speaker 1: the hat ship was funny to me. Um, it was hilarious.
Speaker 1: Thought was I lacked? But I didn't even realize with
Speaker 1: hats like that. I was like, because you helped me
Speaker 1: because y'all put it in two parts, right, so it
Speaker 1: was it was a cliffhanger, right, And the first part
Speaker 1: he just dissed me, and I didn't see the second part.
Speaker 1: The first part I was like, oh, that was weird,
Speaker 1: but the second part you was like, yo, but didn't
Speaker 1: you just see him? And what she was talking about
Speaker 1: was pictures at my Dave Chappelle comedy show, which was
Speaker 1: on my birthday, I DJ. I'm DJ, and Dave says,
Speaker 1: Kanye gonna show U. Kanye shows up, no security nothing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm gonna playing all Kanye set. He
Speaker 1: sat next to me. We had a great time. That
Speaker 1: was like a month before I saw my drink chairs
Speaker 1: at the at the stand, I broke it up. But
Speaker 1: now you know, it was my birthday, so I had
Speaker 1: all my people with me, a lot of flapush niggas,
Speaker 1: a lot of baseball hats. So when Kanye said it's
Speaker 1: gonna be twelve niggas with baseball hats, which niggas he
Speaker 1: was talking about what I'm saying, and we all had
Speaker 1: a group chat. Well you know we you know, you're
Speaker 1: a certain age you on the group chat with your
Speaker 1: friends who back in the day were on the group
Speaker 1: chatters laughing about ship um. But you know, it was
Speaker 1: a moment that I had that I had to I
Speaker 1: had to have fun with it because I got a
Speaker 1: lot of love for Kanye UM, and he seemed there
Speaker 1: was there was underlying context behind that. You know, It's
Speaker 1: really had nothing to do with bars or common of
Speaker 1: baseball hats and none of that, and nothing to do
Speaker 1: with that and so for me it was Kanye got
Speaker 1: a huge platform, and I care and I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like Marlow from the Ward. My name is my name.
Speaker 1: You don't speak my name in no disrepectful way. That's
Speaker 1: how I feel. Um. And he got a huge platform,
Speaker 1: and I love him any my friend and my brother.
Speaker 1: So this was all I loved that about you. Very
Speaker 1: conflicting and difficult expressed on drinks before me, and to
Speaker 1: be real, me expressing that drink chance is what he
Speaker 1: was responded to when he when he said what he
Speaker 1: had to say. It was when I saw the documentary
Speaker 1: and shout out of cooty because I think he did
Speaker 1: a great job. But when I sort of coumentary this
Speaker 1: moment in the documentary and me and y'all seen Bay
Speaker 1: together with Kanye, and I'll be honest with you, my
Speaker 1: life was moving so fast at the time. A lot
Speaker 1: of shows, a lot of drinking, a lot of smoking,
Speaker 1: a lot of just rather, that's a lot of ship.
Speaker 1: I want to I wanted this documentary, and I don't
Speaker 1: remember those moments, and so me not remembering those moments,
Speaker 1: I had to realize, well, if I don't even remember
Speaker 1: those moments, I had to see my film. The people
Speaker 1: who wasn't there, they definitely don't know about that, so
Speaker 1: they don't have no context. So I have to stop
Speaker 1: even be considering the context of people who wasn't there,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like for the people who
Speaker 1: was there, they know you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: that's that's that's what that documentary reminded me of. Okay,
Speaker 1: very briefly, I spoke to consequence al right. It was
Speaker 1: just when the first episode dropped, by the way, with
Speaker 1: this thing consequence perfect teeth f me. So someone I
Speaker 1: spoke the consequence, So yeah, I see. So when I
Speaker 1: supposed a consequence, at first, it seemed like he was,
Speaker 1: you know, a little descrunted because people was using footage
Speaker 1: of him that UM was from from from early on,
Speaker 1: and then later on it seemed like it was like
Speaker 1: it was cool. But one of the forties from the
Speaker 1: Kanye documentaries you just broke up is you kept saying
Speaker 1: this guy is going to be the guy. Yeah. I did,
Speaker 1: like very confidently too. Yeah, I mean I think you
Speaker 1: ever said you gonna do the whole album together. It's
Speaker 1: fairly obvious to men from the from the get go.
Speaker 1: Where I was headed where it already was. When you
Speaker 1: I don't mean he was amazing producer, Um, he had
Speaker 1: all the star quality. He was different, he challenged, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, a lot of the macho notion this associated
Speaker 1: with hip hop specifically, like he even just said recently,
Speaker 1: he said, you won't do U four years in college,
Speaker 1: but he's twenty five of Life's disrespect to every gigster
Speaker 1: nigger in the world. No one can become quite well.
Speaker 1: He said what he said, he said in college. Don't
Speaker 1: do four years in college, but you do twenty life.
Speaker 1: What he's trying to say, I mean, this is very
Speaker 1: hood what I'm doing. It's all good, okay, when we
Speaker 1: placed our value yea. And then he also said me
Speaker 1: and that has we change? Like it's also like you
Speaker 1: this in a million I've never heard this before, but
Speaker 1: who is this in a millionaire? Don't want which mann
Speaker 1: this All of us took my ship. I'm talking abo
Speaker 1: river fishing boats made out of nitrial rubber. I see
Speaker 1: what you're saying on the documentary, and I see what
Speaker 1: even Dave said. When Dave said, like, you know, he
Speaker 1: was watching these clips with Kanye and Kanye but said
Speaker 1: I'm dope. What I'm doing dope ship. But what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get from you is what was the actual
Speaker 1: thing that you knew that this guy was great? You
Speaker 1: listened to the Beach, he did the truth for bet Seagull.
Speaker 1: If this guy is fifty is good ms with the beach,
Speaker 1: He's gonna n Diamond D. There's another uh MC producer,
Speaker 1: hip hop is it is a classic um Pete rock
Speaker 1: who he was just kind of like further around it sometimes.
Speaker 1: Whatever he would do, it was, it was. It was
Speaker 1: a pure thing. I take it is the same way
Speaker 1: Dylan is the same way um Um for all. Corye
Speaker 1: took it to the fullest, you know extension where he
Speaker 1: was like no, I'm and people weren't trying to accept
Speaker 1: Connie because he didn't fit into the archetype of what
Speaker 1: has been sold as a solo rapper image at that time.
Speaker 1: He changed the power aim for it was possible and
Speaker 1: in terms of an audience connecting with um with not
Speaker 1: just the music, but also an approach him and the
Speaker 1: whole thing with the you know, college dropout, with the
Speaker 1: mascot all that, it's like it's art. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying it wasn't about him. You know, I'm on
Speaker 1: the block doing this and this and that, but he
Speaker 1: and he made songs that the appeal to everybody, no
Speaker 1: matter where you were. You know, it was just it
Speaker 1: was just good music. I mean, you know, good life
Speaker 1: is not about some macho posta. It's just dope, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's what I appreciate it about him. And I
Speaker 1: saw what Puff was doing with no way out what
Speaker 1: I was like, if that's working them, I no, just
Speaker 1: pauper Puff is not Broa like Cone Public, not even
Speaker 1: Wa like Dr Dre. Dr Dre is going in on
Speaker 1: those bards, whether he wrote them or not, he sounds fantastic.
Speaker 1: Then I say that Pup doesn't. But it's just, you know,
Speaker 1: it's another hemisphere. Kanye was like, and he said that
Speaker 1: ain't nobody, don't, don't can help you go and get
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody colleges do the rapping attract triple double nor assys.
Speaker 1: It's like he's telling you, and when you have that
Speaker 1: type of talent musically, but naturally you don't have something
Speaker 1: interesting the same and through the wires. It's the most
Speaker 1: rocking rooms. Shoupever who does a verse with they your
Speaker 1: wife shout after they you know, like and this is
Speaker 1: the response to like flying out of the window of
Speaker 1: a moving car to their driving like you know, like
Speaker 1: you know, in a barely thirty or like in his
Speaker 1: early thirties, and so it's like that's a serious thing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was just always evident to me he
Speaker 1: had division after he came out with graduation. Let me
Speaker 1: say a story, so graduation hoping I had none of
Speaker 1: my teeth because I was going, Um, what kind of
Speaker 1: food was you tho? I was very simple, like a
Speaker 1: chicken wing and some rice. Um. But thanks for asking
Speaker 1: and a recent spaces as an appartify, I have another
Speaker 1: one now, um um. So Karne just before graduation and
Speaker 1: this is around the time that it was that whole
Speaker 1: thing between him and fifty, like who's going to have
Speaker 1: the better first year? Was gonna be the king hip
Speaker 1: hop of a boom and this is this is fifty
Speaker 1: posts give us do try and fifties like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: its presence is up. It's like give us a fine.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't care what you feel about you know,
Speaker 1: gang survived or even fifty himself. But that's ship is classic.
Speaker 1: I mean that that is a classic record. So, um,
Speaker 1: the fifties up and he's loaded up with another one,
Speaker 1: and you nobody really knows what it's gonna because people
Speaker 1: forget poll the dollar fifty Like with fifty was like
Speaker 1: spitting fifty. Yeah, so you know, like fifty was like
Speaker 1: never got paid as cool. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not,
Speaker 1: just say I feel you. Yeah, he tells me a favorite,
Speaker 1: right right, So it was that whole um battle that
Speaker 1: they you know that they were very happy to have it. Man,
Speaker 1: Kanye had a listening sens and it was in a
Speaker 1: movie theater. I never forget it was right over there
Speaker 1: by um no it it's like in the back of
Speaker 1: the old defam but like in the forties and fifties,
Speaker 1: like just off there, like by way cats. The cats
Speaker 1: did it as you woke that block over it's like
Speaker 1: forty it's not so many students, but it's like it's
Speaker 1: like forty nine and now I think it's no, it's
Speaker 1: before tests. It's like nine. It's right there in the
Speaker 1: corner when the old yeah, the old deaf gym the
Speaker 1: university used to say. Anyway, it was a local movie theater.
Speaker 1: It was there, and what Kanye did is that you
Speaker 1: came into the movie theater. He had programs for like
Speaker 1: all of the songs and some of the lyrics and
Speaker 1: all that, so so caramel popcorn and edited visuals from
Speaker 1: anime movies that he liked and played that in sync
Speaker 1: to the music. The moment that he did that and
Speaker 1: the moment that I left there that I was like,
Speaker 1: Kanye wins, I don't care what fifty sent Guy in
Speaker 1: the tank. He is not beating this album at this time.
Speaker 1: It's just no way. It was so creative. It was
Speaker 1: I mean, good Mornings. Graduation is like it's like a
Speaker 1: thriller moment that people actually want to appropriately appropriately appreciate
Speaker 1: you for this. I mean, and they tried it. I
Speaker 1: always felt like they tried to hate on it because
Speaker 1: he really sold a million records in the day. I
Speaker 1: don't care what they say. I don't know about the
Speaker 1: space program, but he they said he showed his first day.
Speaker 1: The first week is the first day, if I'm not mistakes,
Speaker 1: the first week and first day was the first day,
Speaker 1: uh fifty so seven hundred thousand copies. This is before
Speaker 1: Spotify and all of this, like we opened, we got
Speaker 1: so call. He sold nine hundred thousand pieces, which means
Speaker 1: he sold themis and he don't want to off. It's
Speaker 1: just like, let's quit playing games. It kept it kept
Speaker 1: the record industry like floating for at least the next
Speaker 1: five years with that, and it helped them transition into
Speaker 1: this whole stream of model because they was just sitting
Speaker 1: on a cash and mean, who who performs like that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't cold playing, It wasn't YouTube, it wasn't any
Speaker 1: it wasn't any other genre. It was Kanye West with beautifully,
Speaker 1: cleanly produced album. There was pure hip hop and Barry
Speaker 1: Bards like, what are we even talking about? This ship
Speaker 1: is out of control, and yeah, I was like, fifties,
Speaker 1: they don't have nothing. In response to that, he I mean,
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's he was riding in the tide
Speaker 1: that Kanye created. In my opinion and from an observers
Speaker 1: point of view, for me, it felt like a referendum
Speaker 1: on the on the words I don't know what about,
Speaker 1: but just kind of ba've been this whole town. I'd
Speaker 1: been like, yeah, I haven't a reverend. It is like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like a vote. It's like it's almost
Speaker 1: like a public petition, but it's not exactly a vote,
Speaker 1: but it's like something that happens before a vote, but
Speaker 1: they have sign of cultural referendums like this side or
Speaker 1: this side is going to determine the cultural direction for
Speaker 1: this group for at least the next five years, if
Speaker 1: not the full generation. And in my opinion, that's what
Speaker 1: Kanye West Graduation Album did. It opened up the paradigm
Speaker 1: creatively for what could be viewed as uh groundbreaking and
Speaker 1: inventive and also having big scale, and there was no
Speaker 1: one at that type of pop culture scale who was
Speaker 1: being that creative, you know, particularly in hip hop. So
Speaker 1: it was a it's a big moment for the culture.
Speaker 1: I mean, and and you know this care for Chicago
Speaker 1: to everybody stepped on because he was wearing hard bottom
Speaker 1: shoes and you know, you know, fucking card agains with
Speaker 1: button down shirts. Were not everybody dresses like that, but
Speaker 1: at least wants to you know, like you know, you know,
Speaker 1: Kanye just stayed shoot to himself. I think this was
Speaker 1: the real power. But it's not about following the style
Speaker 1: that somebody introduced to you. It's about being you. You know,
Speaker 1: and let me ask there was a cover, right, I
Speaker 1: believe it was you black thought and fall mons, that's
Speaker 1: soce magazine, magazine magazine. This is backpack. I mean, let
Speaker 1: me tell you what the outside of us looking at
Speaker 1: it saying pack hip hop is at the forefront. Now,
Speaker 1: I guess, but you know what I mean. Even um,
Speaker 1: but even the backpack coach never accepted that terminology either.
Speaker 1: It was like it's something that people came up with
Speaker 1: to try to like, you know, I give what people
Speaker 1: coming from with it, but it was like it never
Speaker 1: stuck because it doesn't have any gravity to it. It's like,
Speaker 1: what that's not you know what it is. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: so I grew up in Flatbush flat Lands area. It's
Speaker 1: a two fair zone. And so when we went to
Speaker 1: when at that time Greenwich Village, Lower East Side, and
Speaker 1: go to parties in the city, we hopp in the turnstyle.
Speaker 1: We had backpacks hard and it was a very practical
Speaker 1: New York City Thing'd be like a sign of dangerous,
Speaker 1: like I do some the trade dude, some of bubble
Speaker 1: like a guy. But then you started seeing then you
Speaker 1: start seeing in hip hop videos, you start seeing Grand
Speaker 1: Puba with the backpack on. Then you have kids from
Speaker 1: the suburbs coming and let me tell you wearing back
Speaker 1: at the show. Let me tell you we're backpacked. That's
Speaker 1: where he came frowned upon backpacks and gangster culture was simultaneously.
Speaker 1: At one time we ran in the same It was
Speaker 1: one video what they do the roots. It's separated backpack
Speaker 1: and gangster. That sounds personal because it did. It did no,
Speaker 1: because you know what it did. Everything that represented gangster
Speaker 1: the roots had dissed at that moment. Damn, I'm right now.
Speaker 1: Let me play some outside baseballs, some outside of baseball.
Speaker 1: I'm not a rapper, No guessing because I need to
Speaker 1: hear y'all face. After that, here I go, Okay, well
Speaker 1: we got the most bitches win. Okay, his head bitches?
Speaker 1: What they do? Who do what they do? Love video? Yes,
Speaker 1: and it was clever. But there was more bitches at
Speaker 1: the biggest show than there was at one more more
Speaker 1: more particularly, there's more bitches at the NA show. Okay,
Speaker 1: but that but they didn't come yet. What they do
Speaker 1: was before tell you something, what they do before you
Speaker 1: tell something. I don't know if I remember me at
Speaker 1: NAS happened to meet it and him saying that is
Speaker 1: about me a meeting about this I'm saying, your b son,
Speaker 1: this is not about you at all. But remember when
Speaker 1: they're tasting the rapper through where they tasting the rapper
Speaker 1: through a Queen's bridge in the projects, not Queen's bridge,
Speaker 1: any projects in America, but every project looks the same.
Speaker 1: So I remember that that that was the time, this
Speaker 1: long rudge that can't believe, I can't believe you still
Speaker 1: have trauma over there? What they do video backpack that no, no,
Speaker 1: but he sounds like you know, he sound like Memphis
Speaker 1: Beleef talking about the nozzle No, because you know what.
Speaker 1: You know what it was crazy to me was when
Speaker 1: Kanye said that, he said I was faking being a
Speaker 1: backpack wrapper and boot Camp. People from boot Camp came
Speaker 1: at us and said, yo, we want to respond to Kanye.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't think they were talking
Speaker 1: about you at Yeah, I don't think he was talking.
Speaker 1: He was talking about buckshot, buckshots, people who hit us.
Speaker 1: And because you want remember who got the prov video
Speaker 1: buckshot five foot with the backpacks jumping around and said
Speaker 1: that was the first is that considered that he felt
Speaker 1: that way. That's why they backed that, That's why they
Speaker 1: felt that felt they brought it down. But I didn't
Speaker 1: understand that when buck because they had the backpacks, they
Speaker 1: got the person Buckshot. Buckshot performs he wears a backpack.
Speaker 1: I just did the apolo with care. Was one came
Speaker 1: out with the backpacker. You know what, Now I get now,
Speaker 1: I get it, not get what he was doing. He
Speaker 1: came back, he took he he put the backpack on
Speaker 1: the ground and he turned around like this. That's what
Speaker 1: he did. Now I understand what he was doing. Buckshot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was making a statement about backpacks. But kan you
Speaker 1: definitely was talking about that. He was talking about the
Speaker 1: underground scene, which I was saying because that was the
Speaker 1: scene that was supporting him. He's talking about in Puerto
Speaker 1: Rican busy. Yeah, so least never died. Man with a moment,
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