1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: She don't want you to getting your back, staying your back. 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: She ain't don't want my love. I guess I gotta 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: move on. Yeah, Yeah, she my love. I guess I 4 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: gotta move on. Yeah. Welcome to Drink Champs, the production 5 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: of the Black Effect and I Heart Radio and his 6 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: Drink Chess, motherfucking podcast. He's a legendary Queen's Wrapper. He's 7 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: agree it's your boy here, no R. He's a Miami 8 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: hipp hop pioneer, Curt up as d j e f N. 9 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: Together they drinking up with some of the biggest players 10 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: mean in the most professional unprofessional podcast and number one 11 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: sorts for drunk New Year's Time. Trick Up Mother Mother 12 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: would good be hoping he would should be point what 13 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: U d j e f N And it's drink Chance 14 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: tab crazy warp ya will make something? And right now 15 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, man, when we're looking at these 16 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: two brothers here, as at one point I never thought 17 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: I would see them back together. One brother was in 18 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: Africa like an instance. The other brother was in Utica sells. 19 00:01:53,320 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: So then we got another brother will pop into the area. 20 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: Now the most legendary but we'll talk about that later. 21 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: But let's just get that they had just dropped album 22 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: that is just for the fans, and they could have 23 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: put it on Spotify, they could have put it on iTunes, 24 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: they could have put it on your local Julry. No, 25 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: they wanted to put it for their fans, their fans only. 26 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: These guys are monkey footing footing and they're still the 27 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: most lyrical motherfucker's in the game. And I'm listening to 28 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: this album and they're not slipping up even a little bit. 29 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: And they got a lot of money. In case you 30 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: don't know what I'm talking about, we're talking about the one, 31 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: the only motherfucker blackstar. Now, y'all seen bad. I'm gonna 32 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: start with you. I don't have a lot of money. 33 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: I live on the stipend. Yeah, me too. Do we 34 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: have that clip? Now? Let me just tell you something, 35 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: y'all seen bay. This is real talk. Whenever I'm down 36 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: and I feel like life it's fucked up and I 37 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: don't want to keep moving on. Oh, I feel like music, 38 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: it's not where I wanted to be. I always go 39 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:24,119 Speaker 1: to this clip and I watched this and this ship 40 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: saves my life. This is real talk. Can you play it? Please? Oh? 41 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: Like that's the old man. That's not even then. It's 42 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: just you know, I'm not it's not. It's all favorable. 43 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: Its beautiful. That blazer was gortious. Don't forget to dark 44 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: the whole thing. It's a good moment. I'm gonna tell 45 00:03:54,840 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: you why I love that clip the dude rags, if 46 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: the door was a good day, the success, the success 47 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: of Your Soul, the success of Black Starter, success of 48 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: Dave Jappelle's show. Your bars are not supposed to be 49 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: like that. Um, yes they are there because what I'm 50 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: this is what I'm here to do. This is allows 51 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: gift to me right. So you must, you know, put 52 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: your crown on many months. You always knew that I was. 53 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: I was great at ryman from the mom started I 54 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: was nine years old. I was never not good. I 55 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: think we should makes no noise of that. You don't 56 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,799 Speaker 1: need that confidence. I'm gonna be honest, and I swear 57 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: to god I really wasn't because had we just did 58 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: this interview would just be just us and not at 59 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: the shock. I swear to God, this is something that 60 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: really motivates me because I fall out of love of 61 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: music a lot like I fall out of love with 62 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: the business. Did us a business? I mean, there's nothing. 63 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: It's not you know, you should fall out of love. 64 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: That means your human being, you know what I mean, 65 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: it's not worthy of your love. You understand. This is 66 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: not the music, so is another thing altogether. I mean, 67 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: the the fence around it called the industry is just 68 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's just a industrial fence, you know. So 69 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: we had Top Level on the show and we actually 70 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: asked him, um, well you're a where about said what time? 71 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: Because we had he was like, no, man at one point, right, 72 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: I'm alive on a planet Earth. My country's Earth. I'm 73 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: from a country called Earth like everybody else. So that's 74 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: my perspective on life and living in places. Never heard 75 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: of this, yeah, because that was the rule. What the 76 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: rumor was, you went to Africa and you lost your 77 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: passport and then you became a citizen of whatever country. 78 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: I'll tell the food story another time, because you know, 79 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: that's the whole thing I was. I was living in 80 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 1: South Africa and during my stay there, obtained this secondary 81 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: travel document which is well documented the history of it 82 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: and the province of it and and the like. And 83 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: I obtained one and there was some disagreement between you, 84 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: myself and the and the South African government as it 85 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: relates to what they qualifies valid travel document. And that 86 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: was the older part that I remember, because this is 87 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: supposed apoltize, but you know, but it's still apolitize as 88 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: many different outfits these days. Uh So I wouldn't classify 89 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: so much as that, but it wasn't experienced. I often 90 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: invite people to look up the World Passport for themselves 91 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: and just take it from there because I'm not here 92 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: to make up anybody's mind about anything. But that was 93 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: a part of my experience. He said, let me not 94 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: get my hopes up. You said the World's passport, the World. 95 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: I'm a fellow and I cannot fill out for that, right. 96 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: Let's be clear. You have to look at up. But 97 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure that this is I feel like I'm not 98 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: going to be citizen. It's information out about it. Anyone 99 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: is invited to check it out from them shoves. I 100 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: don't like a community and people need to be part 101 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: of I don't want to, you know, shut me down. 102 00:07:54,880 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: You fell it shot the first time I said you 103 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: were going to Africa. You said, dude, they got w's 104 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: in Africa. Was out a lot, because you know why 105 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: they used to lie to me this, to tell me 106 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: I had to get vaccines. I had to get shots 107 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: that depend on the country going over there. This but 108 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: this is this is Africa. Total totality at this time 109 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: until I met a con and then a can said 110 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: you come out there now, vaccine nothing Like, I don't 111 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: know if I believe you anymore. Okay, he just sold 112 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: everything to me. He was like, come on, now where 113 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: let's just go. I'm just like I get you New 114 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 1: Jersey City is different. Let's just let's just get back 115 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: to this album, right you guys? Um, these fans have 116 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 1: been backing for this album for so long. So on 117 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: this is like a two part question because on one 118 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: part you gave the fans everything they wanted, but then something. 119 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: But to this generation, this might be the most laziest 120 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: generation I've ever seen. Like they have Google, Yeah they 121 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: have Google, and they'll still be like, well how do 122 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: I get it? Right? So I remember a friend of 123 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: Mines had he threw out a movie and this movie 124 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: was so hard to download, like it wasn't in the 125 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 1: so and he was like, yo, how much people not 126 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: supporting us? We can't find the ship. You know what 127 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because so how do y'all, y'all, y'all, 128 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: y'all navigate through this the system of you know, these 129 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: fans that because it was Luminary Luminary, everyone doesn't notice 130 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: a subscription based everyone doesn't notice. How do how do 131 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: y'all navigate? This is the first album like music project 132 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: on that because the podcast there you go? You knew 133 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: we did a podcast to that come off? Because I 134 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: mean and listen, I'm not gonna uh differentiate between real 135 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: and fake fans because who knows what station people are 136 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: in life and with what they are in their life 137 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: to even know that we have but we have made 138 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: a choice for a lot of valid reasons to be 139 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: in control of where and how we just tribute our art. 140 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 1: And I think every artist should have that choice, just 141 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: like every human beings. You have a choice where to 142 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: so they wears that if they if they got wears 143 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: um and so because of that choice to have our 144 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 1: podcast on Luminary, people's parties on Luminary, people who have 145 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: been following us, and am I saying real fans, but 146 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: people who have come on a journey with us have 147 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 1: been followed what we are seeing bays done with our installations. 148 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: Who understand about the albums that he's worked on, who 149 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: understand who followed me and styles p Me and dimond 150 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: d album, the ones who follow who go to Netflix 151 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,239 Speaker 1: and see on Day Chappelle specials. These people was already Onliminary. 152 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: They were already listening to Midnight Miracle, you know. And 153 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: again I want to stress that's not even a judgment 154 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: or nothing. But at this point in our careers and 155 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: because of the way the music business, and speaking for myself, 156 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: we we have to as as men um and as 157 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: artists focus on not trying to cast a wide net 158 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: and get everybody. Because even me as a fan, as 159 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: a fan of black Star, I want to hear black 160 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: Star wherever I feel like hearing it. But me as 161 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: as a fan of black Star, also want to trust 162 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: black Star, and I also want to follow black Star 163 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: lead and it And for us it makes sense not 164 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: to cast a wide and try to get everybody. But 165 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: for the people who are are following us and people 166 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: who are rocking with us, let's get them first. And 167 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: you know what, we may have vinyl come out, we 168 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: may do other things. I mean, we you know, it's 169 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: a supple choice. It's not like there's an effort to 170 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: make it unnecessarily inconvenient for people. I mean from from 171 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: my point of view, I mean, it seems fairly accessible 172 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: and like a reasonable distance for any listener to cover, 173 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: you know, with consolidating the experience, you're saying, you don't 174 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: have to go to all of these different places, you 175 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: could just come right here. And you know, it's it's 176 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: a question of value. If you value what we're doing, 177 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: and we've explained to you, I mean quite clearly in 178 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: in uh, in various formats, the reasons why we why 179 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: we've chosen to do this, and the principles behind it, 180 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: and what we're trying to establish and what we're trying 181 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: to reform in many ways, uh that exists in the system. 182 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: Then it's like it's a no brainer. You're supporting the 183 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: historical project with an historical approach. So if that's too 184 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: cumbersome for you with the like, just stay where you 185 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: are to be quite candid, because you know when it's 186 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: not We're not here to just bower to make things 187 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: like convenient for people per se. You know, we're not 188 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: complicating the process in this way. If the machine as 189 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: it exists now was more amenable and fair within no problem. 190 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: But when they like in a legalized criminal enterprise and 191 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 1: essence and my observation. But then, I mean, like back 192 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 1: in the days, if you want a good you know, 193 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: go front, you have to go to out we square more. 194 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 1: But no, no, it's not even that. I mean, it's 195 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: not even that. It's like, you know, again, there's a 196 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: prevailing metric that exists that does not take the artists 197 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: into consideration at all, that really doesn't take humanity into 198 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: consideration at all, to be perfectly candid, um, and what 199 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: we're doing is a very human thing. So it's we're 200 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: not gonna let the machine set the pace for us 201 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: when we built the machine. In essence, you know, she 202 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: can't do what we do. There's gonna be people that 203 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: listening they don't artists that don't know there's creative ways 204 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: to release their music and maintain ownership. And without getting 205 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: into the details of your business, it seems like what 206 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: you did here is to maintain ownership. You know, get 207 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: what you're going to get something out of putting it out. 208 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: You you could do something else with it down the line. 209 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: It is the life of it. I mean, it came 210 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: out two weeks ago. You know barely. You know, this 211 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: is just the beginning. It's it's not like something that 212 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: just came out this week and it's gonna go away, 213 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: you know. It's it's it's historically preserved. And that's the difference. 214 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: And you have to have the confidence of knowing that 215 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: you're in a position to do that and knowing that 216 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: your album, like we called a no fair of Time, 217 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: will stand the test of time. If you're chasing the moment, 218 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: you're chasing cloud and you're chasing something that's not actually real. 219 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: It's not a promo room for first quarter or fourth 220 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: quarter numbers and like that, right, I just want to 221 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: do a shot with you for no reason. It's just 222 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: gonna worst. I'm just hosting, okay, alcoholics. So like, let's 223 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: crib to this area that we have right now. It's 224 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: called the Shock. Let's crib to us this. The Shock 225 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: is an old car garage, probably from the nineteen fifties. 226 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: I didn't change the outside at all, but inside we 227 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: tricked it out. I would drive by and I told 228 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: my wife, one day's gonna buy it. We're gonna do 229 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: with that shock. I said, don't you worry about what 230 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do with that shock. What I did was 231 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: I made this clubhouse. Nothing fancy, but man, this is 232 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: like a home for our culture. Means a lot nor 233 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: that think you came here the last time I saw DMX. 234 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: We had a great night here. All he brought them by. 235 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: We've had parties here with common with rhyme and and 236 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: freestyle or a chance to wrap. All kinds of people 237 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: just fall through and we make we make memories. The 238 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: walls in the here splattered with just random night memories. 239 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: Photographer Matchi Baton, I think took all these photos with 240 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: the exception on the block party post. It's me and 241 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: Most a comedy club in London. We had a great 242 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: time that night. We ended up watching the super Bowl 243 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: and then then halftime called Colin kaebinet because we could 244 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: a lot of this, you know, like like this is 245 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: a strange place, Ohio, but it's a good place. But 246 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: the memories we may hear, our legendary things have happened 247 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: in this room, in this town people wouldn't even believe, 248 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: and qualities of regularly seen the regularly outum here in 249 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: this rage. So can I say something because a lot 250 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: of times people move to Miami and say I'm never 251 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: coming home. I'm gonna stay here. A lot of policy 252 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: pople go to Japan and say I'm never coming home, 253 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: I'm staying here. They go to l A. This is 254 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: probably the first time a person said I'm going I'm 255 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: staying in Ohio. I'm never going back. How did you? 256 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: How did you discover this? We don't know if that 257 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: needs its own episode. What I mean, we do the thing? Yeah, 258 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: home culture, you're here, man chance whatever was complaining about it, 259 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: But let me say, let me tell you something, Dave. Um, 260 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure it was about giving people their flowers and 261 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: giving people um their praises. Now and Um, I'm gonna 262 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: just tell you something I've seen the likes of I 263 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: was too young for Richard Pryor, so I came Eddie Murphy. 264 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: I remember when people went to go see Eddie Murphy 265 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: movies and they got dipped like like they was taking 266 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: pictures for the mo they were in the movie. And 267 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: I've seen these comedians run. And I've always seen people 268 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: go Hollywood and you know, leave certain people. The thing 269 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: that specially about Daves as you always have hip hop 270 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: with you. When I did your bell show, and I 271 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: wanted to do music I couldn't get. People would come on. 272 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: I would reach out the artists and like, like, who 273 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: could you remember that? You try to get I'm not 274 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: gonna say any names. He's he's a dirty motherfucker's going 275 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: just you know what love? And I didn't know what love. 276 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: But in their defense or whatever, heard of this show anything, 277 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: So so that I come over here to everyone come 278 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: away for one second, because this is a funny part. 279 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: It is all funny. Um, we know, yeah, yeah, go 280 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: over there. We know we need to read the listen 281 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: mostly professional. Yeah, see and and and Dave, me and 282 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: Tyler has always been great. I felt like after I 283 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: had a certain person on my show, we even got 284 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: tight up, which is not heard of because when certain 285 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: things like that happened, most people you do. I was 286 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: with okay when the drink okay. So I called each other, Oh, 287 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: I called you, you called me or whatever. We called 288 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 1: each other, and we said we can't let this come 289 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: out without telling hold on, hold hold right, without telling 290 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: Tyler at first. I telling t first. So I would 291 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: like to ask y'all, where was y'all that when y'all 292 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: first heard Kanye say this is not the Kennedy's assassination. 293 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: First of all, where are you? It was eating Mary's 294 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: potatoes when it came across the wire. We were again, 295 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: and what happened in different because y'all get high. Look look, no, no, 296 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: no no. The only reason we're even smoking and drinking 297 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: and entertaining this tom foolery is because going the show 298 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: called Drink Chiss right, you mean drink Champs. I'm standing 299 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: next to mean drink Chap. Nobody's working with him. So y'all, y'all, 300 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: and what happens I don't remember listening to listen. No, no, no, listen. 301 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: Pop culture is a desert right now, and your show 302 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: is an anomaly. And that Kanye west Uh interview you 303 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: did was one of my favorite things that I've seen 304 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: in all of pop culture in recent history. I funk 305 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: with Kanye, but man, I ain't seen him like that 306 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: in a minute. It was funny, it was engaging, and 307 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: then this nigger had to go in on Quality's head. 308 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: I forgot about. He said something about Quality making baseball 309 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: heads paper that I ain't no disrespecting laugh. I would 310 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: like to beat you up, Toddler, because honestly, I could 311 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: tell the first two days we spoke, you were hot, okay, 312 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: I can tell, but you trusted me as a friend, huh. 313 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: And I was really respect that because you knew I 314 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: see your toler I couldn't stop anything, you know, like 315 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: once once the person starts to go and the person 316 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: of that kind of but I just like, damn, what 317 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: do I do? I can't throw a muzzle on him. 318 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: But you could have. You could have took this the 319 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: wrong wrong way. You could have you could have called 320 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: about no, no, because I killed that mother for that 321 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: baseball hat com in. Nobody, nobody hat know what this 322 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: thing was. This thing was not hot at all. I 323 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: was with him immediately, Yeah he was not. But my 324 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: first two calls, I was nervous. But then the third 325 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: and fourth and everyone you kind of like just brush 326 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: it off. And it was just like, but you said 327 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: something to me that was very, very probably the most popular, 328 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: probably the most illest things I've ever heard in my life. 329 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: You said to me the thing about Kanye, even when 330 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: he disses you, he helps you m And you said, 331 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: the problem with him he knows that. I do remember 332 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: saying that. I agree with that. So I didn't hear this. 333 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: I heard of this because I heard I did that 334 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 1: had fun with it. But you know, you think, are 335 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: you getting phone calls? How? How is this? How does this? 336 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: I mean obviously me and fan called you, but the 337 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: episode drops. Are you getting phone calls? How does this 338 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: work for you? Oh? Yeah, that was good times. Um, 339 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: it was good times. It felt like you know what 340 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: it felt like. It felt like having a hit record out. 341 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: That's how it felt, the way that I remember like 342 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: when get By was out. Just how it just so 343 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: it just so, it just you know, it reminded me 344 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: of what Kanye meant to the culture. And you know, 345 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: the hat ship was funny to me. Um, it was hilarious. 346 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: Thought was I lacked? But I didn't even realize with 347 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: hats like that. I was like, because you helped me 348 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: because y'all put it in two parts, right, so it 349 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: was it was a cliffhanger, right, And the first part 350 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: he just dissed me, and I didn't see the second part. 351 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: The first part I was like, oh, that was weird, 352 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: but the second part you was like, yo, but didn't 353 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: you just see him? And what she was talking about 354 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: was pictures at my Dave Chappelle comedy show, which was 355 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: on my birthday, I DJ. I'm DJ, and Dave says, 356 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: Kanye gonna show U. Kanye shows up, no security nothing. 357 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm gonna playing all Kanye set. He 358 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: sat next to me. We had a great time. That 359 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: was like a month before I saw my drink chairs 360 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: at the at the stand, I broke it up. But 361 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: now you know, it was my birthday, so I had 362 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,959 Speaker 1: all my people with me, a lot of flapush niggas, 363 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: a lot of baseball hats. So when Kanye said it's 364 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: gonna be twelve niggas with baseball hats, which niggas he 365 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: was talking about what I'm saying, and we all had 366 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: a group chat. Well you know we you know, you're 367 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: a certain age you on the group chat with your 368 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: friends who back in the day were on the group 369 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: chatters laughing about ship um. But you know, it was 370 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: a moment that I had that I had to I 371 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: had to have fun with it because I got a 372 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: lot of love for Kanye UM, and he seemed there 373 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: was there was underlying context behind that. You know, It's 374 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: really had nothing to do with bars or common of 375 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: baseball hats and none of that, and nothing to do 376 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: with that and so for me it was Kanye got 377 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: a huge platform, and I care and I you know, 378 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: I'm like Marlow from the Ward. My name is my name. 379 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: You don't speak my name in no disrepectful way. That's 380 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: how I feel. Um. And he got a huge platform, 381 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: and I love him any my friend and my brother. 382 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: So this was all I loved that about you. Very 383 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: conflicting and difficult expressed on drinks before me, and to 384 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: be real, me expressing that drink chance is what he 385 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: was responded to when he when he said what he 386 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 1: had to say. It was when I saw the documentary 387 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: and shout out of cooty because I think he did 388 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: a great job. But when I sort of coumentary this 389 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: moment in the documentary and me and y'all seen Bay 390 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: together with Kanye, and I'll be honest with you, my 391 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: life was moving so fast at the time. A lot 392 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: of shows, a lot of drinking, a lot of smoking, 393 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: a lot of just rather, that's a lot of ship. 394 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: I want to I wanted this documentary, and I don't 395 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: remember those moments, and so me not remembering those moments, 396 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: I had to realize, well, if I don't even remember 397 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: those moments, I had to see my film. The people 398 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: who wasn't there, they definitely don't know about that, so 399 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: they don't have no context. So I have to stop 400 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: even be considering the context of people who wasn't there, 401 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like for the people who 402 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: was there, they know you know what I'm saying, And 403 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: that's that's that's what that documentary reminded me of. Okay, 404 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: very briefly, I spoke to consequence al right. It was 405 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: just when the first episode dropped, by the way, with 406 00:26:53,680 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: this thing consequence perfect teeth f me. So someone I 407 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: spoke the consequence, So yeah, I see. So when I 408 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: supposed a consequence, at first, it seemed like he was, 409 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, a little descrunted because people was using footage 410 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: of him that UM was from from from early on, 411 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: and then later on it seemed like it was like 412 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: it was cool. But one of the forties from the 413 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: Kanye documentaries you just broke up is you kept saying 414 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: this guy is going to be the guy. Yeah. I did, 415 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: like very confidently too. Yeah, I mean I think you 416 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: ever said you gonna do the whole album together. It's 417 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: fairly obvious to men from the from the get go. 418 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: Where I was headed where it already was. When you 419 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: I don't mean he was amazing producer, Um, he had 420 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: all the star quality. He was different, he challenged, in 421 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: my opinion, a lot of the macho notion this associated 422 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 1: with hip hop specifically, like he even just said recently, 423 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: he said, you won't do U four years in college, 424 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: but he's twenty five of Life's disrespect to every gigster 425 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: nigger in the world. No one can become quite well. 426 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: He said what he said, he said in college. Don't 427 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: do four years in college, but you do twenty life. 428 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: What he's trying to say, I mean, this is very 429 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: hood what I'm doing. It's all good, okay, when we 430 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: placed our value yea. And then he also said me 431 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: and that has we change? Like it's also like you 432 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: this in a million I've never heard this before, but 433 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: who is this in a millionaire? Don't want which mann 434 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: this All of us took my ship. I'm talking abo 435 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: river fishing boats made out of nitrial rubber. I see 436 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: what you're saying on the documentary, and I see what 437 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: even Dave said. When Dave said, like, you know, he 438 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: was watching these clips with Kanye and Kanye but said 439 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: I'm dope. What I'm doing dope ship. But what I'm 440 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: trying to get from you is what was the actual 441 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: thing that you knew that this guy was great? You 442 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: listened to the Beach, he did the truth for bet Seagull. 443 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: If this guy is fifty is good ms with the beach, 444 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: He's gonna n Diamond D. There's another uh MC producer, 445 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: hip hop is it is a classic um Pete rock 446 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: who he was just kind of like further around it sometimes. 447 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: Whatever he would do, it was, it was. It was 448 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: a pure thing. I take it is the same way 449 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: Dylan is the same way um Um for all. Corye 450 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: took it to the fullest, you know extension where he 451 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: was like no, I'm and people weren't trying to accept 452 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: Connie because he didn't fit into the archetype of what 453 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: has been sold as a solo rapper image at that time. 454 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: He changed the power aim for it was possible and 455 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: in terms of an audience connecting with um with not 456 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: just the music, but also an approach him and the 457 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: whole thing with the you know, college dropout, with the 458 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: mascot all that, it's like it's art. You know what 459 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying it wasn't about him. You know, I'm on 460 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: the block doing this and this and that, but he 461 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: and he made songs that the appeal to everybody, no 462 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: matter where you were. You know, it was just it 463 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: was just good music. I mean, you know, good life 464 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: is not about some macho posta. It's just dope, you know. 465 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: So that's what I appreciate it about him. And I 466 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: saw what Puff was doing with no way out what 467 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: I was like, if that's working them, I no, just 468 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: pauper Puff is not Broa like Cone Public, not even 469 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: Wa like Dr Dre. Dr Dre is going in on 470 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: those bards, whether he wrote them or not, he sounds fantastic. 471 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: Then I say that Pup doesn't. But it's just, you know, 472 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: it's another hemisphere. Kanye was like, and he said that 473 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: ain't nobody, don't, don't can help you go and get 474 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: Ain't nobody colleges do the rapping attract triple double nor assys. 475 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: It's like he's telling you, and when you have that 476 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: type of talent musically, but naturally you don't have something 477 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: interesting the same and through the wires. It's the most 478 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: rocking rooms. Shoupever who does a verse with they your 479 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: wife shout after they you know, like and this is 480 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: the response to like flying out of the window of 481 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: a moving car to their driving like you know, like 482 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: you know, in a barely thirty or like in his 483 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: early thirties, and so it's like that's a serious thing. 484 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was just always evident to me he 485 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: had division after he came out with graduation. Let me 486 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: say a story, so graduation hoping I had none of 487 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: my teeth because I was going, Um, what kind of 488 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: food was you tho? I was very simple, like a 489 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: chicken wing and some rice. Um. But thanks for asking 490 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: and a recent spaces as an appartify, I have another 491 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: one now, um um. So Karne just before graduation and 492 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: this is around the time that it was that whole 493 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: thing between him and fifty, like who's going to have 494 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: the better first year? Was gonna be the king hip 495 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: hop of a boom and this is this is fifty 496 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: posts give us do try and fifties like, uh, you know, 497 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: its presence is up. It's like give us a fine. 498 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: It's like, I don't care what you feel about you know, 499 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: gang survived or even fifty himself. But that's ship is classic. 500 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: I mean that that is a classic record. So, um, 501 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: the fifties up and he's loaded up with another one, 502 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: and you nobody really knows what it's gonna because people 503 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: forget poll the dollar fifty Like with fifty was like 504 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: spitting fifty. Yeah, so you know, like fifty was like 505 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: never got paid as cool. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, 506 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: just say I feel you. Yeah, he tells me a favorite, 507 00:33:45,680 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: right right, So it was that whole um battle that 508 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: they you know that they were very happy to have it. Man, 509 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: Kanye had a listening sens and it was in a 510 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: movie theater. I never forget it was right over there 511 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: by um no it it's like in the back of 512 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: the old defam but like in the forties and fifties, 513 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: like just off there, like by way cats. The cats 514 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: did it as you woke that block over it's like 515 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: forty it's not so many students, but it's like it's 516 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: like forty nine and now I think it's no, it's 517 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: before tests. It's like nine. It's right there in the 518 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: corner when the old yeah, the old deaf gym the 519 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: university used to say. Anyway, it was a local movie theater. 520 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: It was there, and what Kanye did is that you 521 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: came into the movie theater. He had programs for like 522 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: all of the songs and some of the lyrics and 523 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: all that, so so caramel popcorn and edited visuals from 524 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 1: anime movies that he liked and played that in sync 525 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: to the music. The moment that he did that and 526 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: the moment that I left there that I was like, 527 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: Kanye wins, I don't care what fifty sent Guy in 528 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: the tank. He is not beating this album at this time. 529 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: It's just no way. It was so creative. It was 530 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: I mean, good Mornings. Graduation is like it's like a 531 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: thriller moment that people actually want to appropriately appropriately appreciate 532 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: you for this. I mean, and they tried it. I 533 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: always felt like they tried to hate on it because 534 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: he really sold a million records in the day. I 535 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: don't care what they say. I don't know about the 536 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:42,399 Speaker 1: space program, but he they said he showed his first day. 537 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: The first week is the first day, if I'm not mistakes, 538 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: the first week and first day was the first day, 539 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: uh fifty so seven hundred thousand copies. This is before 540 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: Spotify and all of this, like we opened, we got 541 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: so call. He sold nine hundred thousand pieces, which means 542 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,439 Speaker 1: he sold themis and he don't want to off. It's 543 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: just like, let's quit playing games. It kept it kept 544 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: the record industry like floating for at least the next 545 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 1: five years with that, and it helped them transition into 546 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: this whole stream of model because they was just sitting 547 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: on a cash and mean, who who performs like that. 548 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: It wasn't cold playing, It wasn't YouTube, it wasn't any 549 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't any other genre. It was Kanye West with beautifully, 550 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,280 Speaker 1: cleanly produced album. There was pure hip hop and Barry 551 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: Bards like, what are we even talking about? This ship 552 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: is out of control, and yeah, I was like, fifties, 553 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: they don't have nothing. In response to that, he I mean, 554 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: he's you know, he's he was riding in the tide 555 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: that Kanye created. In my opinion and from an observers 556 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: point of view, for me, it felt like a referendum 557 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: on the on the words I don't know what about, 558 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: but just kind of ba've been this whole town. I'd 559 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: been like, yeah, I haven't a reverend. It is like, 560 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's like a vote. It's like it's almost 561 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: like a public petition, but it's not exactly a vote, 562 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: but it's like something that happens before a vote, but 563 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 1: they have sign of cultural referendums like this side or 564 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: this side is going to determine the cultural direction for 565 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: this group for at least the next five years, if 566 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: not the full generation. And in my opinion, that's what 567 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: Kanye West Graduation Album did. It opened up the paradigm 568 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: creatively for what could be viewed as uh groundbreaking and 569 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: inventive and also having big scale, and there was no 570 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: one at that type of pop culture scale who was 571 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: being that creative, you know, particularly in hip hop. So 572 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 1: it was a it's a big moment for the culture. 573 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: I mean, and and you know this care for Chicago 574 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: to everybody stepped on because he was wearing hard bottom 575 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 1: shoes and you know, you know, fucking card agains with 576 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: button down shirts. Were not everybody dresses like that, but 577 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: at least wants to you know, like you know, you know, 578 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: Kanye just stayed shoot to himself. I think this was 579 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,720 Speaker 1: the real power. But it's not about following the style 580 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: that somebody introduced to you. It's about being you. You know, 581 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: and let me ask there was a cover, right, I 582 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 1: believe it was you black thought and fall mons, that's 583 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: soce magazine, magazine magazine. This is backpack. I mean, let 584 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 1: me tell you what the outside of us looking at 585 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: it saying pack hip hop is at the forefront. Now, 586 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: I guess, but you know what I mean. Even um, 587 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: but even the backpack coach never accepted that terminology either. 588 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: It was like it's something that people came up with 589 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 1: to try to like, you know, I give what people 590 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: coming from with it, but it was like it never 591 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: stuck because it doesn't have any gravity to it. It's like, 592 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,720 Speaker 1: what that's not you know what it is. It's like, Okay, 593 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 1: so I grew up in Flatbush flat Lands area. It's 594 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: a two fair zone. And so when we went to 595 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: when at that time Greenwich Village, Lower East Side, and 596 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: go to parties in the city, we hopp in the turnstyle. 597 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: We had backpacks hard and it was a very practical 598 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 1: New York City Thing'd be like a sign of dangerous, 599 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 1: like I do some the trade dude, some of bubble 600 00:39:54,520 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: like a guy. But then you started seeing then you 601 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: start seeing in hip hop videos, you start seeing Grand 602 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: Puba with the backpack on. Then you have kids from 603 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 1: the suburbs coming and let me tell you wearing back 604 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: at the show. Let me tell you we're backpacked. That's 605 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: where he came frowned upon backpacks and gangster culture was simultaneously. 606 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,840 Speaker 1: At one time we ran in the same It was 607 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 1: one video what they do the roots. It's separated backpack 608 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: and gangster. That sounds personal because it did. It did no, 609 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: because you know what it did. Everything that represented gangster 610 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: the roots had dissed at that moment. Damn, I'm right now. 611 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,760 Speaker 1: Let me play some outside baseballs, some outside of baseball. 612 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: I'm not a rapper, No guessing because I need to 613 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 1: hear y'all face. After that, here I go, Okay, well 614 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:14,240 Speaker 1: we got the most bitches win. Okay, his head bitches? 615 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: What they do? Who do what they do? Love video? Yes, 616 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: and it was clever. But there was more bitches at 617 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: the biggest show than there was at one more more 618 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: more particularly, there's more bitches at the NA show. Okay, 619 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: but that but they didn't come yet. What they do 620 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: was before tell you something, what they do before you 621 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 1: tell something. I don't know if I remember me at 622 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: NAS happened to meet it and him saying that is 623 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 1: about me a meeting about this I'm saying, your b son, 624 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: this is not about you at all. But remember when 625 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 1: they're tasting the rapper through where they tasting the rapper 626 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: through a Queen's bridge in the projects, not Queen's bridge, 627 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,839 Speaker 1: any projects in America, but every project looks the same. 628 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: So I remember that that that was the time, this 629 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,799 Speaker 1: long rudge that can't believe, I can't believe you still 630 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 1: have trauma over there? What they do video backpack that no, no, 631 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 1: but he sounds like you know, he sound like Memphis 632 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,360 Speaker 1: Beleef talking about the nozzle No, because you know what. 633 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,879 Speaker 1: You know what it was crazy to me was when 634 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,800 Speaker 1: Kanye said that, he said I was faking being a 635 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: backpack wrapper and boot Camp. People from boot Camp came 636 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: at us and said, yo, we want to respond to Kanye. 637 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't think they were talking 638 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: about you at Yeah, I don't think he was talking. 639 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: He was talking about buckshot, buckshots, people who hit us. 640 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: And because you want remember who got the prov video 641 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: buckshot five foot with the backpacks jumping around and said 642 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,439 Speaker 1: that was the first is that considered that he felt 643 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,400 Speaker 1: that way. That's why they backed that, That's why they 644 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:28,400 Speaker 1: felt that felt they brought it down. But I didn't 645 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,640 Speaker 1: understand that when buck because they had the backpacks, they 646 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: got the person Buckshot. Buckshot performs he wears a backpack. 647 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: I just did the apolo with care. Was one came 648 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: out with the backpacker. You know what, Now I get now, 649 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: I get it, not get what he was doing. He 650 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: came back, he took he he put the backpack on 651 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: the ground and he turned around like this. That's what 652 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,439 Speaker 1: he did. Now I understand what he was doing. Buckshot. Yeah, 653 00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: he was making a statement about backpacks. But kan you 654 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 1: definitely was talking about that. He was talking about the 655 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 1: underground scene, which I was saying because that was the 656 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 1: scene that was supporting him. He's talking about in Puerto 657 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:22,240 Speaker 1: Rican busy. Yeah, so least never died. Man with a moment, 658 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 1: I'm doing the drink Champs and Yellow Springs, Ohio with 659 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 1: most death in time of quality. Nigga, we only need 660 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:36,279 Speaker 1: extra pages in our passports because we are those kinds 661 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 1: of niggas. We need travel this world. One does it 662 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,319 Speaker 1: and here we all are in Milan nowhere being us. 663 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,359 Speaker 1: It feels good. Man. Listen. The fact that they did 664 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 1: this out on Luminary is a bar. 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