WEBVTT - Jerrod Carmichael ON: Reframing Shame into Self- Growth & Emotional Blocks That Stop Us from Having a Healthy Relationship 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.480 The biggest conversations in my life, the scariest ones won't 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:05.239 even lead to like devastation. 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:08.080 It just could potentially lead to. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:12.480 Like a moment of discompany, discomfort, of cringe or whatever. 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:13.800 And it's worth it. 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:16.720 That's something authoring post the number one healthy well in 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:21.520 his podcast Purpose with Jay Shetty. Hey, everyone, welcome back 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.320 to on Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:26.720 Thanks to each and every one of you that come 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.040 back every week to listen, learn and grow. It means 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:32.160 the world to me that we have this amazing community 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.120 and I've just been seeing the engagement, the connection that 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:38.840 you're all having recently, all the Instagram posts, the TikTok post, 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.159 the post on Twitter like it's it's unbelievable. Thank you 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:43.479 so much for all the love. I really mean that. 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:45.920 And a guest comes along in a while which I 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.960 actually hear about from friends, and friends get fascinated and 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:52.040 I go, oh, I need to interview this person. And 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.920 that's how I discovered today's guest. So I was sitting 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.160 with a good friend of mine, Ellen DeGeneres, and she 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:01.040 said to me that she just watched a special by 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:05.560 Gerard Carmichael, and she said this special was so special 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:09.080 to not be cliche. This special was so incredible that 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:10.520 she was so moved by it, and she was like, 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:11.920 you have to want to have him on your show. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:13.240 You have to sit down with him, you have to 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:16.240 talk to him. And I was just like okay. So 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:17.920 I went and watched it, went and checked him out. 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.520 I was like, oh, this is incredible. This is really 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.399 different than anything we've also done on the show. As 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.120 you all know, we've only had a few stand up 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:28.560 comics and comedians on the show so far, you know, 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:31.280 so it's really new for us as well. But in 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:33.800 the two minutes that I've spent with this gentleman backstage 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.960 before we go live, I'm already addicted to his personality, 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:38.720 which is always which is always a good sign. So 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:42.000 please welcome to the show, Emmy nominated comedian Gerard Carmack 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.880 or Jared, So good to see you. Thank you for 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.199 doing this. Literally was Ellen. I was sitting in Ellen's 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:49.160 house and she and I know she listens to the podcast, 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.040 so Ellen, thank you for listening to the podcast. But 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.000 when she listens to this, she was just like, you 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:55.480 have to and I think you went on the show 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:56.080 too with her. 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.320 Yeah, yeah, like yeah, last season, right, it was nice. 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.280 I've done it for but it was nice to like 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:01.840 go back. 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.720 And yeah, she's a huge fan, she's I'm a fan 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.480 of hers, Like I told her that, Like obviously, like 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:13.280 a comedian that comes out and is incredibly brave, you know, 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.280 it's rare. And she was at a time where it 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:20.200 was really hard where you you really really got canceled 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:22.880 for real, you know what I mean, like actually like 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:27.760 the show could get canceled, you know, like, and she 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.239 was so brave and also incredibly good at her job. 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.760 Yeah, you know what I mean. And and and that's yeah, 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:35.280 that's great. 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:37.680 Yeah, I love it. Well, it brought us together, so 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:40.480 that's what I mean. A few seconds ago, you were 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:42.800 saying that you've been watching my stuff on Instagram. But 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.720 when I look at you, you're very private on social 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.600 media and you don't post a lot. I wanted to understand, 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:49.560 was that intentional? 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.680 Is that I got my little private I have my 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:55.680 private ig that is so weird and someone called me 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.560 out on it is like you're private and verified, and 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:03.120 like it's it's it's still it's really like my publicists 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.720 like set it up with the intention of like posting 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:10.760 about shows and the like. And I'm someone who doesn't 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.360 want attention unless like I asked for it. I'm probably 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:19.200 the worst celebrity whatever ever because I never really chase it. 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:23.400 I really just like to work and then present that 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:27.360 and that's pretty much it. And like something like Instagram 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:30.320 is really it is me. I wouldn't want to present 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:35.400 like a false version of myself, so I wouldn't want 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.320 to be presentational, So I kind of close it off 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.440 to just like as of right now. Maybe, but I 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:41.800 don't know if I'll ever do it. I'll probably delete 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.640 it before I open it. But I can be like 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.400 more honest than like a control like I can just 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.680 post things that I would actually I would actually text 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:54.400 these things to everyone, And so I can remain truthful 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:59.600 on Instagram and non perform. I'm a performer who's trying 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:00.760 to remain nonperformance. 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:02.880 How's that going? 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:08.560 Okay, it's okay, Yeah, yeah, no, it's a it's I've 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:12.440 become funnier, I think, like on stage and stuff by 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:17.600 not performing, like by being truthful, like yeah, yeah, I 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.520 think it's a better version of myself. 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.839 But yeah, it's hard. It's hard to in life, it's 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:24.440 hard to do. 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.960 That well, that must feel very comforting, I can imagine, 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:30.320 because I feel like for so many performers, there's someone 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:34.040 on stage because that's their job, and then there's someone 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.279 at home because that's who they are, and so there's 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:41.360 always this conflict inside and outside. What for you has 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.200 been like the biggest impact on who you are today? 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:46.120 Like if you had to say, this is a recipe 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:49.560 of how I was created, what would you add to 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.280 that recipe to say, like Gerard is a little bit 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:52.800 of this and. 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.279 A little bit of that, like sugar and spice. Yeah, 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:57.200 it's a big question. 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:58.800 It's a big question, huge question. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.480 I don't know if I'll be able to fully answer 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:06.880 it because like, you know, I'm influenced by you know, 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:11.720 the time I'm in, the who I am being American, 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:15.600 all of those things that we're all influenced by as 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:20.920 a performer, influenced by you know, everyone from Cosby to 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:25.159 you know, Jack Benny to you know to Rock and 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.000 Chappelle and really good people like people who are really 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.680 good at their job. But lately I've been really influenced 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:37.279 by just this this drive to not lie, you know, 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.760 like like to not lie, and like it's made me 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:44.520 a storyteller because then like just trying to you know, 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:48.680 tell things about me or things in my life that like. 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.000 Are scary is funnier. 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:56.400 I found for the work and being around people that 0:05:56.640 --> 0:06:01.520 I don't have to try and protect my words with 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:04.160 is more confident. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.359 Yeah, when when when you were growing up? Like what 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.240 was the environment for you growing up? We just talked 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:12.600 about North Carolina, which is where you were born and raised, right, 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.640 So like what was the environment like when you were 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:15.840 growing up and what you know? 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:16.359 For you? 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.680 How early was it that you discovered that this was 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:21.400 going to be a path in life, because I think 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:23.960 for me, I'm always intrigued to figure out how people 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.039 discover things they're passionate about and things that they love, 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.839 because that's so rare. How early was it for you 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:31.359 and what was the environment that you grew up in? 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:33.640 It was pretty early. 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.600 Like I was a kid that performed a lot, Like 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:40.680 I asked for a microphone every year at Christmas. That 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.279 was like my accountant. I was like obsessed with microphones 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.720 as a kid. I sing on the choir even when 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:49.039 I was like a like three. My mom was an 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.679 usher and she would after church like I would cry, 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:54.280 and so she helped me up to the mic so 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.520 I could. I just like I like it. I really 0:06:56.560 --> 0:07:00.800 respect it. It's powerful, it amplifies your voice. People listen 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:04.800 to it like so intimately in a performance setting even now, 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.440 like people are listening to this through headphones. You know, 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.920 it's like so personal and so like my whole life. 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.600 I've kind of always felt that way. I've always filmed things, 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:20.760 I've always written, I've always I've always performed. And then 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:24.240 I fought against it. I think for a period I 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.920 was really encouraged by a friend to make the leap 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.280 and move to LA and do that. I lived here 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:33.520 for like ten years, and I thought it was like arrogant, 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:38.160 because I do think asking for people's attention is precious. 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.080 Like I try not to be like super precious in 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:44.880 my work, but like asking for their time, like. 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:45.600 Doing a show. 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.520 If I'm doing a show and I put up tickets 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:50.960 and people spend money for tickets and then they drive 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.040 out to the venue and they sit there and they 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.960 wait for you and then they listen to you, Like 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.880 that's that's asking a lot. And so especially recently, like 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.680 just like respect that more, you know, like like I 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.000 think I have the respect that has been growing in 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.280 me since childhood. For the nudging of a frame got 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:13.720 me out to LA. But it was, uh yeah, yeah, 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:14.680 I love performance. 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.520 I love hearing that because I feel the same way 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.880 that you know. Some some people listen to this podcast 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.720 every day, so they listen to the two new episodes 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:25.720 and then they'll listen to old episodes. And I'm thinking, 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.960 sometimes I'm in people's ears every week, five to seven 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.800 hours a week, and I'm thinking, that is so I'm 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.760 so fortunate, right, Like there's so much gratitude around that 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.080 that someone allows you into there, whether you're walking the 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.120 dog right now, whether you're cooking, whether you're editing, whether 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:47.679 you're cleaning, whatever you're doing at home right now. And 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.120 you said that you've always had that kind of like 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.319 that belief that having someone's ears or eyes or money 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.679 them turning up is is precious. Tell me about then, 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.640 your how does that lead into your creative process because 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:03.120 I feel like, for me knowing that I just finished 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:04.880 writing my second book, it took me two years to 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:06.920 write it, and I put a lot of effort into it, 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:08.520 and I know that when I've written a book, it's 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:10.880 taken two years in my life to write it, I'm 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:15.760 putting it out. I have to. The creative effort is 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.520 so high because a the book pages don't change. You 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:22.280 can't edit those pages once they're out, and someone's going 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:23.719 to take their time. It takes like. 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.679 Potentially like written words word is. 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.080 So I always thought it was crazy that Twitter uses 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:33.079 the word published, right, because like it's like it induces 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:37.319 in me such anxiety just thinking about the how permanent 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.679 it is in placing things out there that you can't 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.760 get back. And like that's why, like, if I'm going 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.720 to perform, I think it's like I don't do social 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.800 media because I would like to put all of that 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:54.040 energy and I don't even say I don't do social media. 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.400 Even that in itself could be a grand performance. I mean, 0:09:56.600 --> 0:10:02.800 look like Kanye is an incredible well perform like you know, 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.719 like it is very warhol Ish in that, like it's 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:12.240 spectacle to use an important peel word. But uh, you 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.280 know that's its own art form. It can be its 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.400 own art form. But but like I put all of 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.600 my energy into like I'm a comedian and I make 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:24.040 specials and I make television programming or whatever programs. I 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:30.160 make movies occasionally, uh and and whenever I'm doing that, 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:32.319 I would only like for all of my energy and 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.239 all of my thoughts to go to that, yeah. 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.439 And then present that. And I'm kind of repeating myself. 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.240 No no, no, no, deeper into it, yeah, deeper into it. 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.679 And what's your creative process? Like you're saying you put 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.560 all of your energy, but like when you're building a 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.400 special or one of those TV shows, like how do 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.320 you even start? Like where, where's the process? What's the 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.760 starting point? Like how do you get inspired at the 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:54.480 beginning of it? 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.640 I mean it's a spark of something, you know, something. 0:10:58.160 --> 0:10:59.960 A lot of times it's like anger. I think that's 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:03.800 started this, just like a little angry. Then just started performing, 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:09.080 doing clubs and then solo shows and then uh, you know, 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.960 preparing to do it for television and like like I 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.920 do stand up for specials. I think at my core 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.760 that's like like I think my attention reads better in 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:27.080 that medium, and working backward from what that is, then 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.920 you know, take the writing and like form a show 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.800 and like it just kind of happened. That's it happened 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:36.960 my last special, It happened really fast. Just frustrations with 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:42.800 secrets and feeling too old, to keep them and too, 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.280 you know, like I didn't feel like an adult. I 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.360 didn't feel like I had control of my own life, 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:52.840 and so that, you know, created a lot of urgency 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.120 to find a way to resolve that. 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:57.120 In art. 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.559 It's just that attempt like making a special and that's 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.840 like my attemp. I'm sorry, I'm probably not. 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.960 I mean, that's a great answer to hear the that honestly, 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:07.520 that's that's not I'm speaking. 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.000 I'm trying not to be like evasive about it. 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.280 It really is just like it's I've been writing for years, 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:17.560 like like, and I'm always writing. Sometimes that becomes a show, 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:21.040 sometimes it becomes something that like it's mostly like most 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:24.360 of creating is just a bunch of like trying and 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:28.880 failing that no one sees, you know, and like, uh, 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:31.960 you know, failing in my own writing, failing in my 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.000 own head over and over and over and over again, 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.960 and like trying to make something, write a show, you know, 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:39.839 structure a show. 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:43.520 Yeah. But I love what you said that anger or 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:47.880 frustration with your own identity and your secrets. I mean 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:52.520 that that whole concept is so real. I think for 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.959 so many of us, whatever that secret may be, whatever 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.920 that identity may be personally. 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.320 I say to like, you know, my friends, like I 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.680 really think, like everybody's in the closet about something. 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:05.600 Yeah, right, there's a thing. 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:10.520 Shame is such a powerful emotion of strong I mean, 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.600 plenty of books about just how it can dictate the 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:15.880 course of your life and your actions and your behavior, 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:18.880 and so much is driven by shame, and so much 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.120 of who we are is just our attempts to hide 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.079 that little piece of ourselves that can never be seen. 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.559 At least It's been a common experience amongst people I've 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.280 talked to in friends. I'm sure you get a high 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.880 volume moved of it. And so yeah, it was exciting 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.280 and really scary to try and make something that dealt 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:41.480 with that head on. And that's how I've been feeling 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.920 in my personal life, just even though it's kind of 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.440 a blurb between my work and my personal life now, 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:52.160 but I've been trying to have conversations that I've never 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:55.319 had and trying to deal with shame and trying to 0:13:55.360 --> 0:14:00.680 restructure my relationship with God. You know, like, am I 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:02.480 the funniest comedian you've had on the show? 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:05.800 I'm the funniest. 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:13.839 That's a scary question, but the shame parts. I love 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:17.280 that you went in that direction because I think that naturally, 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:19.640 shame is one of those topics that isn't talked about 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.040 a lot publicly, So to even bring it up in 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:25.280 a podcast is great because we can actually talk about it. 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.840 But I find like we also live in a culture 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.560 where shaming has become more normal. Right, So we're talking 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.920 about a time when we realize how powerful shame is 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.240 as an emotion and how much it limits us from 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:42.360 truly being ourselves. At the same time, shaming or cancel 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:46.240 culture is is growing. At the same time, I feel 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.400 like today we point more fingers at others because we 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.240 know more of what others are doing. We're more likely 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:56.040 to tear someone down because we can, whereas in the 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.840 past you wouldn't have access to do that. You might 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:01.360 do it in your dining table, or you might do 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.640 it on your couch at home, but you didn't have 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.760 the ability to go on social media and leave hate 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.800 comments or whatever. So it's interesting that you're saying that 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.120 at the same time as you're saying that, hey, we 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.840 need you know shame is holding people back from being themselves, 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.960 we're also shaming others more. I guess, well, we have 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:20.120 more opportunity to. 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:24.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we have an opportunity to speak 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:32.640 a lot. It's it's it's so much of that, so 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:38.720 much of that, and to speak constantly and emotionally, you know, 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:43.400 it's it's hard to like have intention in every tweet, 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:45.880 in every post and every. 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:47.320 Should we is the question? 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.920 Yeah, yeah, well it's it's even more powerful than the 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.960 words spoken in a private setting, you know, because it's 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:58.600 something that is even if you have one follower, you know, 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.920 it has the potential of being seen and expressed amongst others. 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:07.680 So like, you know, your intention reads and and yeah, 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.400 and and I question that a lot. I mean, I 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.440 mean we could go down and on for hours and 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:16.480 hours about like its effect on us, and like, you know, 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:21.160 even just thinking about even myself when I'm on like 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.560 Instagram on my little private ig, right, I you know, 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:27.920 I have a decent group of friends that I follow, 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:33.240 and it's just it's so abnormal to catch up or 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.600 have the illusion of catching up with all of them, 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:40.080 you know, like constantly on like on loop. There are 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.480 people sometimes that I see that I feel like I've seen, 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.400 but I haven't actually had that experience with them. I've 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:51.720 only had like this experience with the representative that's you know, uh, 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.520 you know, like like on close friends or whatever, you know, 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:59.520 and and and yeah, it's just not. 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.280 Like expressing that much. 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.280 Like I have this theory that we all are kind 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.080 of becoming our own news channel, Like we're all the 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.560 news and we have to we're all CNN or Fox 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.320 or whatever, and we all have to fill the time, 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.159 like we have to fill the space. Like and the 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.240 more you do it, the more inclinent you are to 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:24.000 do it. And again, it's just hard to keep that 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.719 marriat to intention, you know, like the sheer volume if 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:29.600 you just speak. If I wake up in the morning, 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:35.119 I just speak all day and I never pause. It 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:39.080 would be difficult to promise that everything I say would 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:40.520 have as much intention. 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.120 Yeah, just the sheer volume. 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.920 Yep. I like that theory. I like that theory a lot. 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:49.480 That's cool because I went to someone's house once and it's, 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:51.480 without doubt the coolest house I've ever been to. 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.120 This is a very cool house. So you're saying that 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:55.240 from a very cool. 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.639 House, No, but this was like this is like and 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:59.679 I'm saying it's a cool house, not because of the 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.719 bil not because of the grandeur. Not same with this. 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.679 I don't think that's why I think I like my 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.760 own house, was because of what he had in it. 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.959 So he had a whole war, and he called it 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:16.080 the fake news war because it was every piece of 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:21.200 news that was published before they knew the time. So 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.480 back in the day, if a newspaper was being printed, 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.800 if a game wasn't over, they'd have to print the 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.080 news with who was winning at the time. In hope 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:33.520 that right, Well, all of this, whether it was people 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.280 winning games, whether it's votes, whether whatever it was, it 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:40.240 was like articles that have been printed before the fact. 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:42.960 So he had all of it in America, like all 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.080 these big and I was thinking, this is fascinating. And 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.679 what you're saying right now is that without intention, a 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.239 lot of what we create is fake news in our 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:52.520 own little news channels. 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:52.800 Yeah. 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:54.560 Well, because things change. 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:59.600 You know, your your my opinion on an album, for instance, 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.359 even just something as trivial as like you know, my 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:05.240 my feelings toward a song or an album or whatever, 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.440 like it changes. It changes over the course of a week. 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:10.760 It changes through how I've listened to it. 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:11.040 You know. 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.920 I imagine if I were just talking publicly about Kendrick's 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:19.200 last album, which I went from not understanding to not 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:23.120 liking to only liking the interludes to then listening to 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:25.720 it while I was getting a Mandy petty and I 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.920 turned the volume halfway down so I could like actually 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:30.919 like hear the words. I had to focus on the 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:33.080 word something about like the lower volume, Yeah, made me 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:36.359 pay attention more and like hearing what he was saying 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:38.560 and then being in love with the album and those 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.879 tweets would have been a roller coaster, Like it's just 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.440 like of emotion if I just like if I put 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.959 that out like constantly, because your thoughts towards something should 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:51.280 like change and evolve and like sometimes may take a 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.359 little while to reach stable ground on. 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:58.840 And some people would argue that the journey is authenticity, Yes, 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:03.080 but what is what is authenticity to you as a comedian, 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.399 as someone who's like the theories that you just said, Like, 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.119 how do you how do you define what is authentic 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:09.960 and real and what isn't for you? 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:13.080 I try, And a lot of things are true, right 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.479 like you can go I could. I was presenting a 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:20.240 lot of true things right, like things that I thought 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:25.679 were hard facts or perspective that people wouldn't want. 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:27.600 To say out loud or be able to tolerate. 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:32.240 And you know, I did believe it and it was true, 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.959 but it wasn't like in my eyes, the most compelling 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:41.439 version of the truth I've found like now, like when working, 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:45.359 I run towards things I'm afraid of and that that 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:49.520 have personal consequence in my life. So talking about me, 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:52.919 because I never really talked about myself before, never considered 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:57.880 myself a storyteller, and this is something I'm in many 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:01.600 ways making art while learning and real time. But but 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:05.159 it is and has become with my live show, just 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:09.200