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Speaker 1: All right, it's your Second Date Update podcast with Brook

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Speaker 1: and Jeffrey in the Morning, the home of the Second Date,

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Speaker 1: and today we have a listener who thought he had

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Speaker 1: the world's most perfect date. You really did tell? He

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Speaker 1: got a one word text? What a half an hour

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Speaker 1: after the date? Was quick after him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Pretty quick? I mean, And that's the question. What is

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Speaker 1: your go to rejection text? You know?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: One word?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just send a vomit emoji. Oh wow, wow,

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Speaker 1: that's Is that too harsh? I'm out a dating game

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Speaker 1: for a minute.

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Speaker 2: You have to ask is that a bad say?

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Speaker 1: What do you make me sick?

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Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: How do you end a conversation with somebody?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I mean I talk too much. It's definitely not one word.

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Speaker 1: It's like a paragraph and like emally sorry, but like

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Speaker 1: we's going out his friends. But I really enjoyed it,

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Speaker 1: and you're so nice. I wish the best, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to read. Yeah exactly? All right, leave

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Speaker 1: it in the comments what yours is? And sit back

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Speaker 1: and enjoy the second date today?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Second Date Update. You ever have a date with

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Speaker 3: your plans change another time. Oh I keep changing. Some

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Speaker 3: people could see that and think, oh, this person is

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Speaker 1: Or just indecisive.

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Speaker 3: Others might see it as chaotic and indecisive. Today, our listener,

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Speaker 3: James isn't sure where he falls because he says his

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Speaker 3: plans kept changing, So didn't go out on two dates,

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's interesting.

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Speaker 3: Let's learn about it. James, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Hey, thank you guys so much.

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Speaker 1: You get it. There's a couple indecisive people, including myself

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Speaker 3: Yeah, are you indecisive?

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Speaker 1: You keep changing plans?

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Speaker 3: Or does this the world keep changing your plans? No?

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Speaker 4: I mean you know life is life, and you know

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Speaker 3: Put that on a bumper. Yeah yeah, okay, but life

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Speaker 4: I mean because after our first date, man, she texts

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Speaker 1: Right? Wait, who is she? We don't know who she is?

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Speaker 4: Okay, her name is Lisa and absolutely gorgeous. She could

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Speaker 1: Yeah. You can't really see what she looks like in

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Speaker 4: Then, I mean, she's not smurf feed, but she's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's awesome, that's exciting. Where did you meet her?

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Speaker 1: So okay, that's always nice to find somebody who understands that.

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Speaker 4: I said, well, hey, after your brunch, let's just hang

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Speaker 1: More drinks, because brunch doesn't come without drinks.

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Speaker 3: The fact that anybody could walk away from a brunch

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Speaker 3: Okay, so how did she was on to that idea?

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Speaker 4: But again, I know, three weeks had passed. I know,

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Speaker 1: But I'm like what happened that is weird?

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Speaker 3: Or maybe she does know like me and my friends

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Speaker 4: She said never mind? And I mean even she could

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Speaker 1: I let's get a grid pair.

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Speaker 3: a second here, James, can we know a little bit

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Speaker 1: That's a good point, Like where did you guys go?

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Speaker 3: What was so great about it? Just give us a

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Speaker 4: So we went to this Italian restaurant, real nice during

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as much as much dressing as you.

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Speaker 3: Well, it did happen with her and her girlfriends. He

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Speaker 3: Well that's where we're at.

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Speaker 1: Le four days last week they all said no.

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Speaker 3: But in my mind we were parties. So James, we're

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Speaker 3: for the second date update, our listener, James has spent

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Speaker 1: The three cap that coffee.

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Speaker 3: First date it was it was yes, according to.

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Speaker 1: Her out on that stop, nobody would have known.

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Speaker 3: I'm just looking around the room now sixteen other people

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Speaker 3: And now, after all that effort, the last thing that

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Speaker 3: But James, we're gonna try and help you get this

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Speaker 4: All right, it sounds great.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I feel like I only say never mind when.

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Speaker 3: It's like end of conversation? Was it never mine?

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Speaker 3: Well, now I don't even know if she'll pick up.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Hi, Why are you calling me?

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Speaker 3: there's a reason why the other person doesn't want to

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Speaker 3: see them again. Yeah, and you can't say never mind participation?

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Speaker 2: Okay, And you're calling me why.

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Speaker 3: Cause a little while ago, almost a month ago, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not in contact with him.

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Speaker 3: I mean the thing that's confusing to him is that

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Listen, when a man says that he wants to buy

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Speaker 1: Okay, So it didn't make you feel special, But did

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Speaker 2: Well, there were times that I didn't have time, and

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Speaker 2: It's just not a drive by. Oh let me just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like shift around you, and I know that. You know,

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Speaker 1: Talk about effort.

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Speaker 2: James. You text me, let me buy you dinner, and

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Speaker 4: Well, I didn't realize I had to be a bread

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Speaker 4: I don't mean if you go to a dinner, they

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Speaker 4: No, that's exactly what she's saying. Because if I'm giving

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Speaker 4: Then maybe later on that evening I would.

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Speaker 3: Have had time for dinner.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know you love language with food like that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think honestly, everybody needs to just

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Speaker 1: So James, I mean that would be like, do you

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Speaker 4: Like, isn't dinner at this point I read to just

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Speaker 1: I think she just wants the energy, not someone to

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Speaker 3: Exactly, Lisa, this was thoughtful. When we first talked to James,

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Speaker 4: No, I actually said the older.

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Speaker 3: Well I'm trying to protect you here, James, so maybe

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Speaker 2: He called me the older, but she's not that.

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Speaker 3: How did the cup up in backfire?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, how about this? How about this? Think

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Speaker 2: It sounds like he had you called me to embarrass me. No,

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Speaker 3: No, it's the opposite. He wants to go out and

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Speaker 3: I don't know about ye. Delete the last three weeks

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know now because I feel like he's

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Speaker 1: What why would he stand you?

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Speaker 4: Was create? Okay, no, no, no, no, no, she's creating stuff now.

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Speaker 4: Now she's gone from a happy hour to a hostile hour,

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Speaker 2: He said, no, yeah, I'm not interested in going on

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, and that's okay. The feeling is mutual.

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Speaker 3: Wow, okay, well that's what doesn't work out.

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Speaker 1: They've shifted those shift Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And Jesus words, life is life, life, life, And right now,

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Speaker 3: am I right? James? The thrill is gone. But the

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Speaker 3: second dates or second dating they really are, sure Jeffrey

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Speaker 3: I want more than thirty minutes, want dinner. I just

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Speaker 3: James did give us three of our top quotes for

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Speaker 3: the entire year. Happy Hour turned into Hostile Hour. Life

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Speaker 3: keeps on life in movie and you want a bread

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Speaker 1: It, James.

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Speaker 3: I changed it a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I mean I actually basket with that. I always want

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Speaker 3: Going to be yes. The whole thing was promises made,

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Goodness is we don't make any promises. When you go

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Speaker 3: life is life and all it. Yeah, that's how we do.

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