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Speaker 1: Hey, professional homegirls. It's sugarl Ebenez here and I am

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Speaker 1: super excited about this week's episode.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: During my last conversation, my guests and I took a

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Speaker 1: deep dive into the world of escort services, uncovering the experiences, challenges,

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Speaker 1: and so much more. Now my guess is back for

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Speaker 1: an amazing and funniest hell follow up conversation, revealing a

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Speaker 1: whole new dimension of her journey. Trust me, it is

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Speaker 1: a must listen. I hope you all enjoyed this week's episode,

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Speaker 1: I'm a High Paid Escort Part two. Starting now to

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Speaker 1: my guests, thank you so much for coming back to

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 3: Y'all.

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Speaker 1: We've been kicking for like the last forty minutes. Yes,

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Speaker 1: this is one of the nice favorite guests. We haven't

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Speaker 1: spoken well, we speak on it off here and there,

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Speaker 1: but as far as the episode, it's been like three

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Speaker 1: years going on four.

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Speaker 2: Has it been that long?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Since twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, it has been twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: So yes, how are you How are you feeling? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know how you feeling.

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Speaker 3: For the listeners, well, thank you for having me back

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Speaker 3: when you reached out and was like, I would love

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Speaker 3: to do a follow up, and I was like, oh, yes,

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Speaker 3: I would love to do a follow up. I've been

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Speaker 3: life has been interesting. I'll say that it's been good.

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Speaker 3: It's been good. It's been interesting. It's been so busy.

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Speaker 3: But I'm sure we'll get into that during the episode.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Now have you noticed any shifts and perceptions

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Speaker 1: towards sex work.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I have.

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Speaker 3: It. It's been so weird because first of all, you

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Speaker 3: have like the only fans that took off during the pandemic, right,

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Speaker 3: so like only like you know, when I first started

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Speaker 3: on the first interview, but when I first started in

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Speaker 3: the industry, like I was a cam model and that

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Speaker 3: was seen as like online prostitution, you whore, that's so dirty,

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Speaker 3: And now like almost just like I just know way

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Speaker 3: becoming mainstream. I think it's helped with like a little

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Speaker 3: bit of the stigma of like sex work as an umbrella.

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Speaker 3: Now as an escort, we are still heavily stigmatized. We're

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Speaker 3: still in a lot of danger. People still like want

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Speaker 3: is a shift. Yeah, that's starting to happen where women,

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Speaker 3: especially with these manuscript podcasts, women are starting to see

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Speaker 3: that dating is just trash.

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Speaker 2: It's just a fucking scam. It's a whole as scam. Right.

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, I'm very open now. I know I

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Speaker 3: think I mentioned last time. You know, my family knows

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Speaker 3: Like when I meet people and they're like, oh.

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Speaker 2: What do you do?

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Speaker 3: And I'm just like, oh, you know, I'm a professional

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, also known as an.

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Speaker 3: Escort, Like I don't think, like, well, I mean I

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Speaker 3: get it, professional dater like that, Like they're people aren't

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Speaker 3: to like get it in people's head. Right, Like when

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Speaker 3: people book me, they're not booking me. I don't just

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Speaker 3: they you know, do whatever they want to our bodies

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Speaker 3: and then they leave some money on the table. Then

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Speaker 3: the next guy comes in. Like that's why I say

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Speaker 3: professional data, right, But even I say.

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Speaker 1: Not to cut you off. But even when you say

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Speaker 1: professional dater, the first thing comes to my mind is companionship.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but some people still think that.

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Speaker 3: It's like, you know, like every year around the holidays,

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Speaker 3: saying that they're for hire to go to your family

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Speaker 3: Right when people hear professional dater, they think something like that, Right,

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Speaker 3: Like I'm getting paid like maybe fifty to one hundred

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Speaker 3: I'm getting paid to show up to dinner. Just multiply

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Speaker 3: that by several hundreds, you know, like multiply that shit,

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Speaker 3: and I am being you know, paid for that. And

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Speaker 3: then you know, sometimes other things happen and it's none

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Speaker 1: Right rights, who.

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Speaker 2: Knows what happens your business? Right?

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Speaker 3: I feel like you know that just with the everybody

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Speaker 3: about women needing to submit.

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Speaker 2: Women need to go fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 3: They need to bring something to the table and let

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Speaker 3: are like they start to turn me, like, I see

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Speaker 3: why you charge for men to just enter your life

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Speaker 3: period at any capacity text messaging. I don't care if

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Speaker 3: in my personal space right without some sort.

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Speaker 2: Of payment because I don't have time for it. Right.

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Speaker 1: Do you still find yourself like addressing like stereotypes or misconceptions.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, yes, And I'm like highly I created

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Speaker 3: misconceptions after our last interview, so I think we talked

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Speaker 3: sharing my perspective of this industry. So I created another

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Speaker 2: Right. So I had a.

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Speaker 3: Like different kind of women on and they all talked

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Speaker 3: there was no discussion about like, you know, sexual intimacy,

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Speaker 3: right and even then, it's like people still don't get it.

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Speaker 3: They still refer to like our good clients as simps.

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Speaker 2: You know, you hear that all the time now. The

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Speaker 2: the one thing that they're doing that you're not is

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Speaker 3: Fucked right right, Like their whole goal is to get fucked.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, honestly, it's not that hard to get

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Speaker 2: You just have to treat me. Well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's why a lot of women. If

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Speaker 1: you make me feel good and treat me nice, you

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Speaker 2: The floodgates are open, like literally, you know, cardib.

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Speaker 3: Style right right right, it gets it gets very voice

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Speaker 1: Just be a nice person.

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Speaker 3: Just be a good person and being genuine about it,

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Speaker 3: because I can I don't know if it's because of

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Speaker 3: And I mean, I can tell you there is some

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Speaker 3: I'm like, my dude, like I don't like the way

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Speaker 3: treating me. Now, don't get me wrong, I haven't had

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Speaker 2: It's been several years. But like at the time, like I.

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Speaker 2: If you're not on your best behavior.

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Speaker 3: I don't even want to be here handing me over

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Speaker 2: Right right, this isn't gonna work.

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Speaker 3: Just like last week on Twitter, there was like this

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Speaker 3: You're just gonna have to find somebody else because I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like is he going to pay me?

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Speaker 3: But once I get that deposit, I'm like, you could cancel,

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Speaker 3: but you're not getting the refund. You know, those are

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Speaker 1: You ever got charge packs.

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Speaker 2: No? I know other girls that have.

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Speaker 3: People just know not to fuck with me, and I

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Speaker 2: And it's the nicest way possible.

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Speaker 3: Right, I'm a very nice person, but I am somebody

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Speaker 3: isn't like hearing this interview and find me and then

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Speaker 1: And they fuck around and find out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it would end well for them.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: In our previous discussion, you mentioned the positive impact of

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Speaker 1: the pandemic in your business. So how has that been

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Speaker 1: going for you? Like, has it still been consistent or

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Speaker 1: have you seen the change?

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Speaker 2: Did I?

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Speaker 3: Did I mention that man? That was Yeah, twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: Like I mean people were so lonely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my stimmy checks. What the stimulish text?

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm not gonna lie. There are uh, there

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Speaker 3: are a few clients where not the stimulus checks.

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Speaker 2: But I like, okay.

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Speaker 3: So my my background is in the financial industry, right,

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Speaker 3: Like I was an account I was an accountant, and

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Speaker 3: and one thing that I loved doing was financial fraud. Right,

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Speaker 3: so I can peep fraud from a mile away. And

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Speaker 3: there were some clients from like I know that they

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Speaker 3: must be booking me with like pp Elos.

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Speaker 2: I don't know it, but I can't prove it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to ask you about it because I

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Speaker 2: I'm not Erica Girardi. You're not about to come after

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Speaker 3: And I was like, all right, me and YouTube University

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Speaker 2: Well, no, I mean that's last year is when I

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Speaker 3: Tired, I know.

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Speaker 2: And I had a five year plan when I first started.

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Speaker 2: The money becomes addicting.

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Speaker 1: You know what's so interesting about you because I feel

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I am very privileged. Now, I will

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Speaker 3: Like when I tell you if if somebody says anything

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Speaker 2: Like I mean, it could be like like anything.

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Speaker 3: It's so like if I'm not feeling it, I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't think we mesh well, right, you know. Like

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Speaker 3: and I was like, this PSC Porn Star Experience.

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Speaker 1: What's that?

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Speaker 2: So? Well? Oh my god?

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Speaker 3: I asked this on Twitter and holy shit, it start

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Speaker 3: a ship storm. It means it appears to mean something

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Speaker 3: different to everybody, but for me, PSC means like, you know,

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Speaker 2: Sets like all sets, you know, maybe like with.

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Speaker 3: Like maybe like ten minutes in between the like chat

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Speaker 2: And I'm not a multi person. No, it's not what

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Speaker 3: You know so many acronyms in this business. One of

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Speaker 3: them ms OG multiple shots on goal. I'm not one

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Speaker 2: Like what are you what?

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Speaker 1: I don't yeah, maybe I guess I'm vanilla because I'm

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean these are all of these industry terms,

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Speaker 3: because they all get into these forums, they start talking, chatting,

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Speaker 3: and then within two years you're gonna be exhausted. So

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Speaker 3: unless you have a backup plan that you're gonna get

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Speaker 3: And I'm like I will if I even think that

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Speaker 3: we're not gonna mesh. Well, I'm like, I'm in my thirties,

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Speaker 3: Like this ain't gonna work.

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Speaker 1: But do you ever just want to just have sex

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Speaker 1: because I feel like spending time with somebody that's a

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Speaker 3: It is, it is, And you know, so I have

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Speaker 3: I like when I tell you that, people think that

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Speaker 3: we form like pretend connections.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm really good at my job.

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Speaker 3: When I tell you my long term clients, they're not

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Speaker 3: like I'm talking about like we're going out on dates

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Speaker 3: and many many other women can attest to this, right,

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Speaker 3: It's not like I'm some like special person.

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Speaker 2: Right. We all talk about it, but like.

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Speaker 3: You know, I go on like dates to the zoo

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Speaker 3: I love animals. He so every time we get together

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Speaker 3: one like we'll get together for like two three days,

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Speaker 3: and one of the days we're going to a zoo.

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Speaker 1: Yahoo.

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Speaker 3: I love animals, right, like, and we're talking about like

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Speaker 3: He's like, I know you want to feed the giraffe, right,

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Speaker 2: That about me, right you know.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like this and this is what like keeps

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's genuine right.

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Speaker 2: Not because he's paying me to have sex with me.

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Speaker 2: I just won't do that right, right, right, But these

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Speaker 1: Right, did you have to like do anything differently when

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Speaker 1: it comes to safety, because I feel like you, like

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Speaker 2: I have been traveling a lot.

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Speaker 3: Like listen, I bought my travel vehicle of my dreams,

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Speaker 3: Yes, I can't talk about it because I don't want anybody,

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Speaker 3: I've just been having so much fun this year, like

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Speaker 3: because like I make some money, I take some days off, right, so,

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Speaker 3: but my safety, yeah, I I really I can't disclose

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Speaker 2: I do a lot of screening.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I may have some trackers on me somewhere,

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Speaker 3: you know, like if somebody thought that they might want

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Speaker 1: If a NIA was trying you. And by the end

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Speaker 2: Like my mom was like, they're gonna give you.

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Speaker 1: They gotta give you bed.

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Speaker 3: They they should, Like I'm not gonna make it easy,

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like I'm not gonna make

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Speaker 3: of these like safety like I go through these. So again,

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Speaker 3: my family knows what I do, My family, my close

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Speaker 3: where I am. Like they know everything, they know, like

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Speaker 3: they will know up to the last sure, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: So like somebody always knows where I am. I mean

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Speaker 3: even if I'm like I leave my hotel room and

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Speaker 3: I like go get something to eat, right, Like, somebody

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Speaker 3: from my home, somebody knows what I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: And just being a woman, Like I think that's very important.

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Speaker 1: Like I have everybody has my location because I live

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Speaker 3: So I think, I mean when I when I tell

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Speaker 3: small person, so I like at some point, like I'm

441
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 3: sure my family's like you can go to the grocery store.

442
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 2: You don't need to let us know.

443
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 3: And I'm like listen, like I mean, they don't say

444
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 3: things like that because I've had two kidnapping attents in

445
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 3: my life, so they're they're just like.

446
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: Okay, from the industry.

447
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 3: No, before I got into the business, what yeah, yeah,

448
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 3: I can't talk about it. Yeah, I mean this was

449
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 3: while I was traveling. I traveled by myself a lot,

450
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 3: and I'm a very small person. Like people don't realize

451
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 3: how small five feet is until they're standing next to

452
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 3: some who's five feet tall. Like most like most people

453
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 3: like are average heights, so they think like, oh, you're.

454
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 2: Short, you're a cute girl.

455
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they don't realize like I'm below average height,

456
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 3: like I'm very fatigue and I am told a lot

457
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: that I look a lot younger than what I am.

458
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 3: So at the time when those that kidnapping attempts happen,

459
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,719
Speaker 3: they probably thought that I was in college and I

460
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 3: wasn't as full of grown as an adult with the four

461
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 3: O one k, you know, in a career and everything,

462
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 3: and I mean I ran and got away, don't get

463
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 3: me wrong, but so yeah, so but anyway, so yeah,

464
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 3: my family's like on high alert because we know that

465
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: if it can happen to somebody, it might happen to me.

466
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 2: So I have to take I have to take the

467
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: like most extreme.

468
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: Safety measures, right, you know, I still like, you know,

469
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: do you disclose some things to me before our conversation

470
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: and like just talking to you more, like do you

471
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: guys just look back on your life like prior to

472
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: being in the industry and just being like God, Damn.

473
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've been through some shit.

474
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, I honestly, yeah I have. Uh. I

475
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 3: just the other day, I was like organizing my kitchen.

476
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 3: It was just like one of those random things it

477
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 3: just pops in your head, right, and like I was like, Damn,

478
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 3: that really happened. Like sometimes like sometimes I'm just like

479
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 3: some of the shit that's happened in my life, like

480
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 3: it just seems so weird, right, Like did I imagine?

481
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,719
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, I did not fucking imagine that

482
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 3: that really happened.

483
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: But I can't believe it.

484
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 3: And I'm like, damn, I really have been through some shit. Yeah,

485
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 3: but people don't believe me when I tell them. Being

486
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 3: in this job literally saved my life because I did

487
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 3: not I did not realize how I like, I'm a

488
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: very care free person, and I did not realize how

489
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 3: carefree I was, like do Like people will see on

490
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 3: my Twitter and all the shit that I, you know,

491
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 3: posted on Twitter and going on yachts and shit like that,

492
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 3: and they think like, oh, you know, she's you know,

493
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: she doesn't know how to ask she's and I'm like, no, No,

494
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 3: I live in Florida.

495
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: Live in Florida. Babes.

496
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 3: Being a pretty young girl getting invited on yachts is

497
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: not It's not hard to do. My early twenties, like,

498
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 3: you know, I wasn't in this business, and I'm going

499
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 3: out with strange men on their fucking yachts in the

500
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 3: middle of the ocean.

501
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: Right drinking alcohol.

502
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 3: Like do you know how much danger I have myself

503
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 3: in because I'm just like, oh, I'm just having a

504
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: good time.

505
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 2: And how did guys survive my twenties? You know?

506
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: My next question is how has your perception of sex

507
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: industry evolves since you first enter it, because it's been

508
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: like almost ten years now, and what have been the

509
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: most significant lessons you learned along the way?

510
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: Man, When I first entered the industry, I really thought

511
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 3: that I that I would be having a lot more

512
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 3: sex than I am.

513
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: But I think that's a stereotype though I think a

514
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: lot of people.

515
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hold on. I have to say this.

516
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 3: I do not want any girl out there thinking that, like,

517
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: like how these some of these girls who are in

518
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 3: TikTok saying that they're sugar babies that don't have to

519
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 3: give up the sugar.

520
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: They are lying to you. They are setting you up

521
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: for failure. Do not believe it.

522
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 3: I mean, even in just regular dating without money, men

523
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: expect sex at every point in your life.

524
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: As soon as they meet you.

525
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: Everything they're doing is to make sure they get sex

526
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 3: from you.

527
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 2: Right.

528
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: So I still don't understand why our job is criminalized

529
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 3: because like I'm like, I don't I don't get paid

530
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 3: for sex, but I know that's what they're expecting.

531
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: Right.

532
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 3: But I was having this conversation with a friend the

533
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 3: other night and I was like, yeah, I had, you know,

534
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 3: like you know, a few married girlfriends, and you know,

535
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: they're talking about like how they don't want their marriage

536
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 3: to be ruined because of sex. So they're having sex

537
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 3: like five times a week.

538
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 2: And I was like what right, But I was like,

539
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: they're having more sex than I am.

540
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 3: And I was like and listen, like I love sex

541
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: and everything, right, but I'm like a bit just tired,

542
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 3: Like I'm not. I don't just lay there like I

543
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 3: want to enjoy it. I want to have multiple orgasms.

544
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: Right.

545
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: Orgasms are exhausting. I don't know why men think that

546
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 3: they're just something easy for women to have. They are exhausting,

547
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: and I can have multiple in a row. Right, So

548
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 3: if I have multiple I am dead to the yeah sleep,

549
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 3: I need sleep.

550
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: I don't even touch me like I need to.

551
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: My body is like charge.

552
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: And I'm just like and I'm just like, oh my god,

553
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 3: like these women, these poor women. They And that's one

554
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: thing is like men are like, oh, you're a whole,

555
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: You're ran through, and I'm like, it's still very much tight,

556
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 3: very tight. And I was like, I have less sex

557
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 3: than your wives out there. The ones that are trying hard,

558
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 3: I should say, the ones that have given up. I

559
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 3: don't know what they do, but the ones that are

560
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 3: trying very hard because they they feel like they have

561
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: to perform in order to keep their husband happy. And

562
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, I can't do it.

563
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: But you made a good point earlier about how people

564
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: feel like they have access to our bodies.

565
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: They really do.

566
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: Ye feel entitled and mostly, you know, society religion is

567
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 3: a main part of it is because society and religion

568
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 3: tells women that we're only good for what we can

569
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: do for men, right, and they should have to do

570
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: nothing except like expect sex from us, right emotional, they

571
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: expect emotional labor from us. They expect physical labor as

572
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: far as like keeping up the house and then they

573
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: expect sexual labor and I'm like, get somebody else to

574
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: do it.

575
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: I can't do it. I'm tired.

576
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot like like let me just stay

577
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 3: single because they all tell me that I'm gonna die

578
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 3: single and the loan and I'm like, I'm fine with that.

579
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: Like I'm like living my best fucking life. When I

580
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 3: stopped centering men in my life, my life became significantly better,

581
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 3: including this job.

582
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: Right, Like I used.

583
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 3: To be so focused on like making like marketing myself

584
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 3: towards like what do men want?

585
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm tired. I'm tired.

586
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: I was like, this is me and this is what

587
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 3: you're gonna get if you like me great, And oh

588
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: my god, the minute I did that.

589
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: Like, like when I.

590
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: Say that I don't work often, it's because I don't

591
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 3: have to because the dates that I'm getting are very lucrative,

592
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: so I don't have.

593
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: To do it. As Austen, right, and there are guys

594
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: that match me.

595
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: You have always been a since I've been knowing you,

596
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: You've always been an advocate of like just being yourself

597
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: like you always do.

598
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: Girls. Yeah, so much.

599
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: It's so much easier now there are people who can

600
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: do the whole mask thing.

601
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: I'm not good at masking.

602
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 3: I already have to mask so much in my life

603
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 3: with like having ADHD and just having like just all

604
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 3: the other shit that's wrong with me.

605
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: Right.

606
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: I told you that I have indimetriosis and living with

607
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: that for so many years, and like nobody wants to

608
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: hear that. I'm never feeling well, right, So every day

609
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: I'm pretty much like just having to pretend that everything's okay, right,

610
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 3: and so there there just becomes a point where like

611
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 3: I can't mask for the rest of my fucking life

612
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: with every single thing that I do. Right, So I'm like,

613
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: I can't do it. Like I'm telling you, I've made

614
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: a lot more money. I've worked less but made more

615
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: money me and myself.

616
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, good for you. And I feel like now, like

617
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: I know you're tired and you're exhausted, but I also

618
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: feel like you're happier compared to the last time I

619
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: spoke to you.

620
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: I am so much happier.

621
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: Okay, I will tell you though, because I don't want

622
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: people to think that I'm just so tired of exhausted,

623
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: because like I've ran through her somefing no no, no.

624
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm not hear it.

625
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm not implying that listeners, Like, I don't

626
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: want you to think that she's tired because of what

627
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: she does. She's tired because she's working, like life is

628
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: just life, and like I'm tired, Like yeah, like you're hustling,

629
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: you're grinding, like you have goals that you want to meet.

630
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you're taking care of things by yourself, Like

631
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: it's a lot of fucking work when it comes to

632
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: being a grown woman, like yeah, yeah.

633
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: I hate being a grown woman, like I don't.

634
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: We don't have him, Like it's a lot of fucking work.

635
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: And then you're building businesses, you have goals outside of

636
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: your career, like it's a lot of fucking work, like you,

637
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: it's non stop. So it don't even have nothing to

638
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: do with the industry, like a bi it really doesn't.

639
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 3: Actually, what I'm hired, what I'm tired from, is like

640
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: building my next uh the next thing that I'm going

641
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 3: to do in life. Yeah, you know, after I'm preparing.

642
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 3: I'm preparing myself today for whenever I retire from this industry.

643
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: You have a date, I don't have a well, I

644
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: kind of do have a date. I just don't want

645
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: to share it with anybody. I just want to like

646
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: be like peace out, just like thanks everybody, it's been

647
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: real and peace out. But I feel like I feel

648
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: like part of me will never technically leave the industry

649
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: because I have I have clients that as long as

650
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: they're they're single, because most of the ones that I

651
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: have that are long term actually have to single. And

652
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: as long as they're single and want to keep seeing me,

653
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: I'm I'll probably continue to see them. Why not, right?

654
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 3: But you know, when I say retire, I mean like

655
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: I'm not advertising anymore. I'm not I'm not doing all

656
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 3: the you know, social media and all that stuff. Like

657
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 3: you know, I just won't be doing all of that,

658
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: and I will be working on my personal brands and

659
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: working on that, like doing this simultaneously, like setting up

660
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 3: my future.

661
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: It's so much work.

662
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: It's a lot of work. Listen. I feel like with

663
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: my brand, like I really believe in my heart that

664
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: I have a million dollar business.

665
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 3: But between that, can I tell you that, I like,

666
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 3: I still love what you're doing.

667
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: I love it.

668
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 3: I still love it, and I'm like, so when you

669
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 3: got onto the network.

670
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 1: I know I was like, oh my god, yeah, girl,

671
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: I was for you know, and that's why I like

672
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: fucks with you, cause I feel like my guest y'all.

673
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: She has been with me since we first met, Like

674
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: she has been such a very proud friend I can

675
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: call like somebody who I like. We talk back and forth,

676
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: like I think she's very smart, like for her to

677
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: have her condle, Like, you just have so much things

678
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: going on, so for you just support me out loud

679
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: really means a lot to me because.

680
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 3: You oh, what you're doing is so great and I

681
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: love it. I love it so much and I'm just

682
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 3: so proud of you and just you know that you're

683
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 3: moving up in the world.

684
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, and it's a lot of fucking work.

685
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm mentally exhausted.

686
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 2: It is exhausting.

687
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exactly.

688
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: You know. People ask me all the time, like, oh,

689
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about starting a podcast, and my first question

690
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 2: is why, Yeah, why why? I'm like, because it is exhausting.

691
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: It's not as easy as people think of, just like

692
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 3: putting on I mean, the men out there and their

693
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 3: stupid tanks takes on calling everybody since they make it

694
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: seem so easy, you know, they just put up a

695
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 3: microphone and they just start spewing bullshit.

696
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: But if you actually quit care about like quality, Yeah,

697
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: it's a lot of work. Yeah, yeah, it's a lot

698
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: of work.

699
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: Right, So what does success look like for you?

700
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: Success?

701
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

702
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: Oh, but do you feel like you made it?

703
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 4: No?

704
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: God, no, I'm so far from making it.

705
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: Really, I'm like one of those people where like I

706
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: think I have a little bit of like imposter syndrome.

707
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 3: Really I do from you, and I think that that

708
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: will always like keep me in some sort of like

709
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: I'm not successful yet, right, And it's not even like

710
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 3: I used to think that it would be like a

711
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 3: financial number and it's not really no, because then like okay,

712
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: let's say I reach that financial number, and then I'm like, well,

713
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 3: that's not going to be enough until like I can

714
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 3: retire my mom from her job and be able to

715
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 3: like literally be able to fully take care of another

716
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: human being right where she has no other additional income

717
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 3: coming in. And like, you know, I told my mom,

718
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 3: like I need my mom for emotional support. I tell

719
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: her that all the time, Like I just need you

720
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 3: to be like my voice of reason. I'm going to

721
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 3: put one day, I'm going to put you on payroll

722
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 3: just so that you can be my emotional support.

723
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: Have you always been close or did y'all?

724
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, we've always We've always been I mean,

725
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 3: you know, I was like a snot nosed teenager, right,

726
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 3: you know, going to these rich high schools and you know,

727
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: being around spoiled kids and thinking like that was my life.

728
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: And my mom was like, no, you're black, that's not

729
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 3: your life, like right, like I will show you better

730
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: than I can tell you kind of thing.

731
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: And uh, but you know, after like my after I

732
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: got out of.

733
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: Those stupid teenage years of thinking that I was an

734
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: adult and knew better, I'm like, I don't want to

735
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: be an adult anymore. We yeah, we we've been close. Yeah,

736
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 3: my whole life, we've been close.

737
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm a huge fan.

738
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 3: Like I'm like, I like, I probably have like an

739
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 3: unhealthy relationship.

740
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: I joke, and I what is that? What is that show? Oh?

741
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: I can't remember the name of the show right now.

742
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: The you know, the one where he's like obsessed with

743
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 3: his mom came from a movie.

744
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: He's so, oh cycle is it psycho? Is it a

745
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: scary movie?

746
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: I think it was a scary movie.

747
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 3: I think it was the Baits Baits, the Baitstel Show.

748
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: Yeah cycle, Yeah, is that Psycho. I think it's like

749
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: a spin off.

750
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I joke with my mom that I that we're

751
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: Norman Norman Bass.

752
00:38:54,840 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, I actually listened to your conversation with

753
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: your mom. How did you feel leading up to that

754
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: conversation and then did you discover anything new about how

755
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: she felt about everything?

756
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like we talked about it and I asked her

757
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 3: and I said, you know, a lot of people, I

758
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 3: think a lot of people also felt that maybe I

759
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 3: was shitting about like my mom being cool with everything.

760
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: And when I say cool with it, I mean like

761
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: she'd rather me not be doing this, by the way,

762
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: like people think that, like, oh, like your mom's like approving,

763
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 3: Like no, she'd rather me be doing anything but this.

764
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: But she just wants me to be happy. So when

765
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 2: I say approval, she just wants me to be happy.

766
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 3: And I told her, I said, you know, I would

767
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: really like to get a perspective from a parent of

768
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: somebody that's in this industry.

769
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: And she was like, yeah, I'll do it for you. Yeah.

770
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 3: Good.

771
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: Very nervous, of course.

772
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: I can only imagine because your prom is she is

773
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: she West Indian? No, I don't know where I got

774
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: that from.

775
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: No, we're just good all American slave black.

776
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: Okay, but no, So how do you maintain like open

777
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: and honest communication about your experiences?

778
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 3: Okay, I will tell you that I don't. There's a

779
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 3: lot of experiences that I don't share with her, right right,

780
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 3: Like a client like does something bad, Like I don't

781
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 3: give her every detail. I do share with her, like

782
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: all the good things though, But otherwise, I I think

783
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 3: it's more it's not necessarily about my mom.

784
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: It's about myself. Like I'm very much like I need to, like.

785
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: In order for me to thrive in my life, I

786
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: need to be able to be comfortable with me and

787
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 3: be one hundred percent authentically me. And if I can't,

788
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 3: if I can't do that, then like we have a problem,

789
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: right Like, I'm not going to be happy, I'm going

790
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: to be stressed, I'm going to be miserable. I don't

791
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: I don't like having to hide any part of my life.

792
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 3: Like I will tell my mom like I don't want

793
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: to talk about it, kind of saying, right, if there's

794
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: something I don't want to share with her, I'll just

795
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: say I don't want to talk about it, or you

796
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 3: don't want to hear it. If I say you don't

797
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: want to hear it, she knows like, yep, she doesn't

798
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 3: want to hear it, right, But again, as long as

799
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 3: I'm safe, like that's all she cares about.

800
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: Safe and happy.

801
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, happy for sure, because life is hard and life

802
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: is too short to be unhappy.

803
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 3: I was miserable as an accountant, Like yeah, you know,

804
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: you didn't know me before I was miserable. Like I

805
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: was probably one of those people that was just miserable

806
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: to be around because I was miserable, right, And I

807
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 3: was like, I don't want to be that person. Yeah,

808
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 3: it really does. And so I worked hard to like

809
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 3: be happy. Like, you know, it's been a journey for sure.

810
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: Challenge even get me started.

811
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: It has, like I can't I literally cannot believe I've

812
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 3: been out of corporate this song.

813
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you.

814
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 3: Know there are times where you know, like I'll I'll

815
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: hear about a case on uh like on the news

816
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 3: or something, and it'll like pique my interest and I'm like, man, like, oh,

817
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 3: I know, like that would have been a great case

818
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 3: for me to work on, you know, solving these financial crimes,

819
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 3: and I think about it all the time, and I'm

820
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 3: just like and like, I think about it and then

821
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 3: I'm like, just the thought of like waking up in

822
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 3: the morning and having to report somewhere at a time

823
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 3: that wasn't set by me, right, I'm.

824
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: Like, oh, fuck, I can't do it.

825
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: Like I get anxiety just thinking about working a normal job.

826
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: But what if you wasn't do it as your own business.

827
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that interferes with my travel schedule. I'm gonna be honest.

828
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 3: The only thing I like, I tell people, Well, I

829
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: don't know if I'm joking or if I'm being serious,

830
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: because sometimes I'm not sure that I have no personality

831
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 3: outside of traveling, Like that's like, yeah, that's.

832
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: What personal.

833
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 2: I have no idea like you but like not this me,

834
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 2: but like real me.

835
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't even know if I have a personality,

836
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 3: Like I just want to travel and only talk about travel,

837
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: and like the only thing I care about is traveling.

838
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 3: And then as soon as I get home from a trip,

839
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, ohh I'm exhausted from that trip. And I'm

840
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 3: home for a week and I'm like, all right, when

841
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 3: is the next trip? Because I'm like why the fuck

842
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 3: am I sitting here?

843
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: Like? Why am I home?

844
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: Right?

845
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: I can't fucking stand being home, Like I like to

846
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 3: come home to see my mom if she's not that's

847
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 3: if she's not traveling with me, because she'd like she

848
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 3: goes on the right with me, so like not while

849
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 3: I'm touring, right, Like, Like when I did my tour

850
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: this summer, I did like a three week tour, and

851
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 3: that's I was going to be off for three weeks, right,

852
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 3: So I drove up, I drove up to a destination,

853
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 3: flew my mom there, and then we spent three weeks

854
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 3: on the road together, and it was, oh my god,

855
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 3: it was so much fun.

856
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: It was so much fun.

857
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 3: And like for me, like, I don't feel like I

858
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 3: have success until like I can do that with my

859
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: mom all the time.

860
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: She doesn't.

861
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 3: She doesn't have to take off time for work because

862
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: like she's like her job is being my emotional support.

863
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: Assistant, right, right? Are you so serious about that?

864
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: And of you and your siblings, are you the one

865
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: that's the closest to your mom.

866
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: I don't like to answer that question because I don't think.

867
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 3: I think all of us have different relationships.

868
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: With with my mom. Yeah, you know, obviously, my siblings

869
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 2: are married.

870
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 3: They're doing the whole American dream house, picket fence kind

871
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 3: of thing.

872
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 2: They're They're very normal. They're normal people. I am not.

873
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 3: So I'm the one that requires a little more attention.

874
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 3: You know, I'm the wild child.

875
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 2: I'm single.

876
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 3: I am I'm just out here living life. I'm very carefree.

877
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 3: I'm just not I'm out there in these streets. Okay,

878
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: I'm in these street.

879
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: You know.

880
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: One thing that I remember when when we first met

881
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: is that I always said that I see you as

882
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: an educator. Really yeah, and I know you was like, no,

883
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that, but I'm going to

884
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: get your opinion on something. Do you feel like sex

885
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: work should be taught in schools?

886
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: Hmmm, no really, because I think it's I feel like

887
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 3: it should be part of maybe like a sociology class,

888
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: maybe psychology class. I will tell you, though, there's so

889
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 3: much stigma when it comes to professional and professional health

890
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 3: care providers, whether it's a guy of college. It's like

891
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: I switched guy to colleges because I told her that

892
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 3: I was an escort. And her question to me, while

893
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 3: she was, you know, doing my pepsmere was like aren't

894
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,479
Speaker 3: you afraid? And I was like, of what, oh, she's

895
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 3: like of beeing harms, and I go, I'm afraid of

896
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 3: the police. They're the only people I'm afraid of because

897
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 3: like I can't fight.

898
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: I can't fight back.

899
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 3: Like if there's if it's an undercover cop, right and

900
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: he and he does something where I'm like thinking, like

901
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: my life is about to be in danger if I

902
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: do anything to him.

903
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: Now I have a charge on battery on law enforcement officer.

904
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: Right, But if it's like you know, somebody who's in

905
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 3: I don't want to say certain like serial killers, Okay,

906
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 3: Like let's be honest, they're out there.

907
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: They caught the Long Island serial killer.

908
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 3: But you know I can take my chances with somebody

909
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: I can fight there. I can't fight their but the

910
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: cops they can say whatever they want about you and

911
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 3: nobody cares.

912
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: So I'm like, yeah, that's what I'm afraid of.

913
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: But I also ask me that question while you and

914
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: my pussy.

915
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: While you're in girl, like this is some basis.

916
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you see something like why you ask me?

917
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: Don't ask questions?

918
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 3: I'm like I feel violated, right right. I switched out

919
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 3: to collogists.

920
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: But I said that sex works should be tall. I

921
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: said this the other night, and everybody was like what.

922
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: And I think the reason why sex work should be

923
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: taught is for reasons like that, just for awareness. And

924
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: I also think that the things that like nine to

925
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: five jobs are going to be non existent very soon,

926
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: Like it's going to get to a point where people

927
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: are going to want to be creatives and podcasters and

928
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: all this other shit and sex workers. And I think

929
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: that why not create a curriculum that shows people how

930
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: to do things the safe way so you don't have

931
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: to learn it the hard way.

932
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 3: But it's out there, That's what I'm saying, Like the

933
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 3: girl is coming in. I mean, I'm gonna be honest.

934
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: If anybody asks me for advice right now, I'd be like,

935
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 3: do anything other than this.

936
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be honest.

937
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 3: This is like people think that all you have to

938
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 3: do is like post cute pictures on it is, But

939
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: when I tell you it's work, it can be lonely,

940
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 3: it can be isolating, it's mentally exhausting, like it is

941
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: hard work, and then you you have your your safety

942
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 3: at risk, Like if you can do anything.

943
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: Else, please do it.

944
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 3: Like I'm not I'm not trying to like, you know,

945
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 3: be a gatekeeper or anything, but like do anything else.

946
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: But I'm not promoted.

947
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: That's like the girls thought I was promoting it, and

948
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm not promoting. I just feel like there's just so

949
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: much stigma around it.

950
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 3: There is, but but within our community, we have created

951
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 3: those those resources we like I've written the book another

952
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: with my former podcast, I wrote a book on how

953
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 3: to get started. There's other other people who wrote books,

954
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 3: some that wrote books with like you know, self care,

955
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 3: the self care that's involved in this. We need a

956
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 3: lot of self care, right, So I don't I wouldn't

957
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 3: say it should be a college course just because like

958
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 3: we're sex. Work is work, don't get me wrong. But

959
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: when we're talking about like this is our personal bodies,

960
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: and when you start talking about like college college courses,

961
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: and like I want to destigmatize it, but I also

962
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 3: need people to realize that, like it's still labor using

963
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 3: our bodies, right yeah, And that's not something that's so

964
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 3: easy to just be like, oh yeah, we can just

965
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 3: have a class on it, right because it's still like

966
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 3: it's still our bodies. Because and then because it goes

967
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 3: almost to the point of like legalization, and I'm very

968
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 3: much against not legalizing it.

969
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta pay tax on my body.

970
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 3: Well, it's not the taxes. We do pay taxes, you know,

971
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 3: we pay our taxes. That's not the issue. The issue

972
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 3: is once you start, when it's legalized, then it becomes elitists.

973
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 3: Right Then the low burieder entry they start, oh, okay,

974
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 3: now you have to have a license to do it.

975
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: Now you have to have this, I have to that.

976
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 3: And then all the women that are like you know

977
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 3: what people would say, quote unquote at the bottom. Now

978
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 3: it's going to be harder for them to enter the business, right,

979
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 3: And then it becomes yeah, and then it's going to

980
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 3: become where who's going to benefit from the legalization then

981
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 3: blonde white women.

982
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: It's going to make it very hard, right. You see

983
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 2: a Nevada already, you have any license in Nevada.

984
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 3: And if you owe child support, a lot of women

985
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 3: go to make money to catch up on child support. Right,

986
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 3: and if you owe child support, you can't work in Nevada.

987
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the legal as a legal.

988
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 3: Prostitute in Nevada, you can't work if you own child support.

989
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 3: How the fuck am I gonna pay child support? If

990
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 3: I don't have the income to do.

991
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: It right, right, You know, y'all.

992
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: Don't want to raise minimum wage, but you don't want

993
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 3: you don't want women doing what they can to make

994
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 3: the money, you know, So it becomes like if it

995
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 3: starts to be too mainstream and being taught in classes,

996
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 3: then it'll become legalized, which I don't think it'll ever

997
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 3: be legalized because our doting society is just to Christian

998
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 3: and like that's the only thing that saves us from

999
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 3: the legalization because I'm very anti brothel right, Like, it's

1000
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 3: like it is like literally I tried working in one

1001
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 3: and it was literally like I felt like I was

1002
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 3: being pimped out.

1003
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1004
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: I had a conversation with actually my homegirl. She was

1005
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: on a show and she talked about working in the brothel,

1006
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, and.

1007
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 3: Their girls that like it, so please don't come for

1008
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: me because these girls who are like I'm legal, I'm legal,

1009
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 3: somehow they think that they're better than us at aren't legal.

1010
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 3: And I'm like, sweetie, if I want to leave to

1011
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 3: go get my own food, I can. You can't leave

1012
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 3: the premises without an escort. Like that feels like fucking

1013
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:24,959
Speaker 3: it feels like sexual prison because, like, because the law

1014
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 3: in the area feels like if they leave the brothel,

1015
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 3: they're going to go out trying to find John's on

1016
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 3: the street. Who the fuck is paying money to stay

1017
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 3: at the brothel because you do have to pay your

1018
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 3: room rate every day, paying money to stay at the brothels,

1019
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 3: so they couldn't go walk the street.

1020
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: To find what.

1021
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 3: Right, you're literally putting yourself in danger to go find

1022
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 3: clients when you could be at the in the safety

1023
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 3: of the brothel.

1024
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 2: Like that makes no fucking sense.

1025
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 3: It's all just a way to keep women from being

1026
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 3: able to thrive because at the end of the day,

1027
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 3: society wants women to just be available.

1028
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 2: For men to use our bodies whichever way they want.

1029
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: And I'm like, fuck you, you have to pay me

1030
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 3: to even talk to me.

1031
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: Don't talk to me if you're not gonna pay me.

1032
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: But see, I think that's a great I think that's

1033
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: a great point, and I think that's the reason why

1034
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: I feel like because I feel like sex work is

1035
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: still taboo and I feel like it shouldn't be. I

1036
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: feel like it is right, and I feel like we

1037
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: need more conversations, and not just because of like how

1038
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: to make money and do all these other things, but

1039
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: conversations like these so that people can know, like yo,

1040
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: this is your body, like do this, do that, But

1041
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: don't you know what I'm saying just to make people

1042
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: feel safe, because I do feel like a lot of

1043
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: people are in this industry, but I feel like they

1044
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: could have went about it in different ways if somebody

1045
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: would have put them on game. Because even though we have.

1046
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: Resources, to be honest, there's so much of it out

1047
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 3: there though, there's so like we have created so much

1048
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 3: any resources to help each other.

1049
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: It's out there.

1050
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 3: I promise, Like I mean to the new girls, reach

1051
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 3: out to some of us, some of them. She's on

1052
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 3: Twitter like like we are happy to help you, Like

1053
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 3: we might not be able to like do one on

1054
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 3: one with you, but we can put you in the

1055
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 3: direction like here, you could buy this book, babe. You know,

1056
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 3: follow these people on Twitter, like follow the follow these

1057
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 3: people on Twitter, and you can learn so much, Like

1058
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 3: the information is already out there.

1059
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 2: You don't even have to pay to have a mentor.

1060
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 3: If some of these girls puts me the fuck off

1061
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 3: because they're charging thousands of dollars for mentorship and they're

1062
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 3: really they're not helping you. They're just they're just like, oh,

1063
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 3: make sure you have a Chanel bag, make sure you

1064
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 3: just like this, make sure you go to brunch and

1065
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 3: take brunch photos. It's like I followed that advice and

1066
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 3: it was so wrong for me. Do I love a

1067
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 3: good brunch, yes, but that's not my.

1068
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 2: Well of course, where there you go.

1069
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: I remember that White.

1070
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: Girls told me that for sure.

1071
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 3: But it's just but it's but I you know, I

1072
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 3: listen to metal music.

1073
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 2: It is not a secret huge metal fan.

1074
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 3: And like I was afraid to talk about that because

1075
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 3: I was like black woman metal, Like nobody's gonna like me, right,

1076
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 3: and all my clients are like so intrigued. I mean,

1077
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 3: I either have the clients that listen to the same

1078
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 3: music that I do. We go to concerts together, right,

1079
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 3: we go to festivals together. Like when I tell people,

1080
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 3: like sometimes when I tell my mom, like you know, oh,

1081
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 3: I got booked for like this two or three day

1082
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 3: date and this is what we're going to do, She's

1083
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 3: still like, I can't believe people pay you for that.

1084
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 2: And I'm like why not.

1085
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 3: She's like, it's just I just you know, it's not

1086
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 3: what I think of when I think of an escort.

1087
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like escort has evolved so much.

1088
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: That it has it really has.

1089
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: Overall has evolved so much, so have the good and

1090
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: the bad? Yeah that part.

1091
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1092
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: Now, as far as personal growth, what insights have you

1093
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: gained through your experiences.

1094
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 2: Like my experiences like as a sex worker.

1095
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I said it before and

1096
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 3: I will say it again.

1097
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 2: My fucking boundaries, yea, holy boundaries.

1098
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 3: Like I'm telling you it is like, you know, just

1099
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 3: growing up as a black woman in the South, that

1100
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 3: I grew up religious, like there was no such thing

1101
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 3: as boundaries, Like it was everything that I used to

1102
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 3: I was a pick me ass bitch, like I grew

1103
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 3: up a pick me because everything that I was taught

1104
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 3: was like everything I needed to do was for like

1105
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 3: some future man.

1106
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 2: So man that I don't even know exists. He doesn't

1107
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 2: know me. I don't know him. I don't even know

1108
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 2: if I'm gonna like this many what if I.

1109
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 3: Don't like him, But I'm I'm shaping my whole entire

1110
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 3: like life for this future me for him to just

1111
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 3: overstep my boundaries. I'm not supposed to have boundaries when

1112
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 3: it comes to a husband, you're not supposed to have boundaries, right,

1113
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 3: what are we taught?

1114
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 2: And as a Christian, what are we taught?

1115
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 3: We have to please our man, We have to do

1116
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 3: all of these things to make sure.

1117
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: That our man is happy.

1118
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 3: But no, they never tell men what they need to

1119
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 3: do to make sure a woman is fulfilled and happy.

1120
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 2: Right. And one thing that I learned from this business

1121
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 2: is that we both can be happy, right, Yeah.

1122
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 3: We can both be happy. Like why does that have

1123
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 3: to be one person being happy? We both can be

1124
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 3: happy and live a great life, right, And Like, that's

1125
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 3: one of the things I learned was boundaries. Like, I mean,

1126
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,479
Speaker 3: it's hard to be dating out here because I don't.

1127
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 3: I don't date because I'm like, oh I just can't.

1128
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: I just can't.

1129
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: Do you mean, are you lonely?

1130
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: No, I'm too busy to be lonely?

1131
00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: But do you ever feel like that?

1132
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong.

1133
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 3: They're like times and like, Okay, if I'm like out

1134
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 3: on the road by myself, I'm like on week two

1135
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 3: and a half, three weeks on the road, am I

1136
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 3: gonna lie?

1137
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 2: Like?

1138
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm not lonely of course, And I'm not saying

1139
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 3: lonely isn't like a man, right, just like I'm by myself.

1140
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 2: I've been by myself.

1141
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 3: I have no friends with me, Like, I'm just keeping

1142
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 3: in touch with people on Instagram and I talk to

1143
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 3: you know, my family on the phone, but I have

1144
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 3: nobody to like share certain moments with. Do I get lonely, yes,

1145
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 3: But the feeling of loneliness is just so temporary for me.

1146
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fact. It's a very temporary feeling because.

1147
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: It comes and goes for me.

1148
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like because what do I like, all I have

1149
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 3: to do is go do something? Like Usually my points

1150
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 3: of loneliness are like when I'm like super like meditated, right,

1151
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 3: like if I've gone on the hype and I'm just

1152
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 3: like in the middle of nature, I'm by myself, and

1153
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, and I'll be honest, most of the time,

1154
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about my mom anyway, and I'm just like

1155
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, like my mom would love this view.

1156
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 3: And then I'm like, oh, I miss I miss my mom, right, yeah,

1157
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 3: but fucking thinking about a man because everybody thinks like

1158
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 3: loneliness means man, no, and I'm like, no, I can

1159
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 3: be lonely just like because.

1160
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: I'm by myself.

1161
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes I go to festivals by myself because my

1162
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 3: friend isn't available. Yeah, and I'll feel lonely at the

1163
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 3: festival and I'm fucking crowd of like fifty thousand people.

1164
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh, it would be great if she

1165
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: was here with me.

1166
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 3: Right, And then the next song comes on that I'm like,

1167
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 3: and I'm like, uh, they're just I'm no longer lonely.

1168
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: You know, that's so funny you said that, because I

1169
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: do a lot of shit by myself, and sometimes I

1170
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: feel it like I sometimes I'd be like, damn, I

1171
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: wish I asked my with me, or I wish my

1172
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: homegirl was available, and then I was like fuck it.

1173
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: Like I'm friendly. I just make some friends, and I

1174
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: make a friend and then just enjoy the rest of

1175
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: my night.

1176
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 3: Yes, it's like as soon as you make friends, like

1177
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 3: everything is okay. Yeah, right, I I meet people like

1178
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 3: do I call these Do I call these people my friends?

1179
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 2: Of course not.

1180
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 3: But like if I go to another show in a city,

1181
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,959
Speaker 3: like I've made friends like or you know.

1182
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 2: Acquaintances all over the US.

1183
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 3: Right, So if I go, if I go to a show,

1184
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 3: all I have to do is just like reach out

1185
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 3: to people and be like, hey, is anybody in the area,

1186
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 3: And then I'm like I'll meet up with people.

1187
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 2: Like it's a lot of people just.

1188
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 3: Like they just they think that you need like companionship

1189
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 3: is in form of like a romantic partner, right, and

1190
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 3: like you don't always have to have a romantic partner

1191
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 3: to not be alone.

1192
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I agree.

1193
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: I'm sad for people who feel that way though.

1194
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, like you said earlier, it's a journey. I

1195
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: think that we are.

1196
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 3: It is, and I hope that people and you know,

1197
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 3: I tell people all the time that when they just

1198
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 3: focus on themselves and get to a point where even

1199
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 3: if they don't feel like they need healing, right, I

1200
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 3: feel like we all have some inner healing to do, absolutely,

1201
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 3: and we just focus on ourselves and we get to

1202
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 3: a point where we're so happy with ourselves and we're

1203
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 3: content with being by ourselves. Like I know people who

1204
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 3: cannot be alone. Yeah, they won't go out and get

1205
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 3: a meal by themselves, they won't go to the movies

1206
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 3: by themselves.

1207
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: I by myself.

1208
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 3: They're like, you travel by yourself, Like, yeah, been to

1209
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 3: Australia by yourself? And I'm like yeah, yeah, oh my god,

1210
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 3: Like I can't even go to dinner by myself.

1211
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 2: And I'm like why, Like.

1212
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 3: I love me, Yeah, I am my, I am my

1213
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 3: favorite company. I'm hilarious. I make myself laugh.

1214
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 2: Fact like I'm hilarious.

1215
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 3: Like I do step a ship all the time. You know,

1216
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm hilarious.

1217
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: Right right, No, same, I really enjoy my company, like

1218
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: I can have a great ass time by myself. Yet

1219
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: concert by myself stuff and I had a ball, Like.

1220
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 2: Oh, how was it? I don't listen to Beyonce, but

1221
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 2: I hear her concerts are little.

1222
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: I've seen Beyonce like, and I know my listener is like, girl,

1223
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: like you don't have to brag, but I've seen her

1224
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: almost like seven eight times girl, Yeah, Like I am

1225
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: a Beehive member, like I love Beyonce, but this concert

1226
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: was hands down the absolute best. And I'm waiting for

1227
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: it to die down with the movie so I can

1228
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: really just see it and just be like engulfing it,

1229
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: like because you know when you.

1230
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 2: See things actually thinking of seeing.

1231
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: The movie, you should.

1232
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 2: You should.

1233
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 3: I'm not even I'm not a Beyonce fan, not because

1234
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 3: I hate Beyonce. It's just not the solid music I

1235
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 3: listened to it, Yeah, but I've heard like it's such

1236
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 3: a good like movie.

1237
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it features like her kids and stuff, And

1238
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: I'm always like, oh, yeah, that's cool.

1239
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: And I think with you being like a creative, you

1240
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: being an entrepreneur and stuff like, I really think that

1241
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna enjoy it because I think a lot of

1242
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: people who were not Beyonce fans gained a lever respect

1243
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: for her because of Renaissance.

1244
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is the Renaissance. Hasn't she been like

1245
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 3: on the Renaissance tour for like five years? Girl?

1246
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: It feels like it's like she ain't letting up.

1247
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 3: Listen, my sister is a Beyonce fan, so I have

1248
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 3: to hear about this ship all the time.

1249
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,439
Speaker 2: Hasn't been like fucking five years now.

1250
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: Now, I ain't gonna hold you, Beyonce milk and is

1251
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: Renaissance ship. I'm not even mad at her. Beyonce not

1252
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: playing no games with this ship, but it's fire. It is,

1253
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: like I would say, hands down, this is the best

1254
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: one of our best tours. Top three for me, Wow,

1255
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: maybe maybe number one. I can't even hold you.

1256
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 3: See, I would check it out because I just like,

1257
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 3: I like being in the atmosphere where you know, just

1258
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 3: the energy of like the crowds, everything good, having a

1259
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 3: good time. But I am not paying those prices for that.

1260
01:03:55,960 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 2: Nope, No, it's it points for my favorite bands.

1261
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: It's worth it is, I promise you. But last, but

1262
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: not least, how has your identity or your self perception

1263
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: evolved during your time in this industry?

1264
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 2: Oh that's a loaded question. I know.

1265
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: That's when I said it for the last That is.

1266
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 2: A loaded question. Uh, my self perception.

1267
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely seen you. You have grown from the

1268
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: last time we spoke.

1269
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 3: You'll let me tell you I am now a yoga instructor.

1270
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 3: I oh wow, it's the last time I talked to you.

1271
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 3: I got my two hundred hour. I'm going to be

1272
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 3: working on my five hundred hours.

1273
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, got shit.

1274
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 3: So like when I say I'm exhausted, this is why,

1275
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 3: because I'm like fucking studying yoga and shit and meditation

1276
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 3: and everything. But you know, I think I just seen

1277
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 3: myself different. Like I like, I'm always evolving. I thought

1278
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 3: I was one person, and I'm like, no, You're like

1279
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 3: all it, Like I don't, I mean, don't get me wrong,

1280
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 3: Like I don't want anybody think that I'm saying, like

1281
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 3: I have multiple personality disorder. I do not, but I

1282
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 3: have I have, Like I'm so multifaceted, right, there's so

1283
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 3: many layers of me, Like every person I meet, they're

1284
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 3: just like, oh, I would have never thought that of you.

1285
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 2: And I used to like, well why not? Right? I

1286
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 2: used to wonder like, well, what exactly do people think

1287
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 2: of me?

1288
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, that's because I'm a different person

1289
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 3: depending on my environment.

1290
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 2: And I'm okay with that now.

1291
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 3: I used to like try to put myself in a box,

1292
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 3: and now I'm like, I don't need to be in

1293
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 3: a box, Like I can do everything that I want,

1294
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 3: Like I don't need to be one person. As long

1295
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 3: as I'm a good person, that's all that matters. So

1296
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 3: I've been you know this really just just focusing on

1297
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 3: what makes me happy. Like that's the only thing I

1298
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 3: care about is what makes me happy, right, Like that's it.

1299
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 3: If it doesn't make me happy, I don't want to

1300
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 3: do it. Like when I say get somebody else to

1301
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 3: do I really mean it.

1302
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 2: You have to get somebody else to do it because

1303
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 2: I don't want to do.

1304
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: It, right, And I think that's also comes with just

1305
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: age like, once you get to a certain age, like

1306
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: and you get comfortable with yourself, it's nothing you can

1307
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: make me do if I don't want to do it.

1308
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I used to think that. I used to

1309
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 2: care a lot more about what people thought of me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't now, Like when I say I don't,

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Speaker 3: I really mean I don't. Like somebody asked me, you know,

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Speaker 3: your persona is so public, Like you've been in a magazine,

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Speaker 3: You've you know, you've done these interviews on like vanilla

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Speaker 3: podcasts right right. They're like, you know, when you do

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Speaker 3: retire and your personal brand takes off, what happens if

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Speaker 3: somebody finds out that you were an escort?

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Speaker 2: And I go, okay, what if they do find out?

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Speaker 2: And they're like, well, aren't you afraid? I'm like afraid

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Speaker 2: of what are they what they're going to judge me?

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Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, because I did what was best for me.

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Speaker 3: I did what was best for my survival mental my

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Speaker 3: mental health, Like, my mental health has never been better

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Speaker 3: than when I than me being in this industry, which

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Speaker 3: a lot of people feel would make my mental health worse.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like no, because I really like this has

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Speaker 3: allowed me the time, the freedom and financial freedom to

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Speaker 3: really like just know who I am, what I want

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Speaker 3: in my life, and what I don't want in my life.

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Speaker 3: That's the most important thing is like I can really

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Speaker 3: tell you I know myself.

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Speaker 2: Nobody can tell me who I am facts facts.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm so proud of you, sus I'm so happy

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Speaker 1: that we reconnected. I feel like this was a great conversation.

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Speaker 1: Like I told you off the air, I feel like

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Speaker 1: the first conversation we dive more into like you being

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Speaker 1: in the industry and you're giving your opinions on things.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like this conversation we definitely dive more

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Speaker 1: into you. So I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: You know. I think that.

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Speaker 3: You know, the first time we interviewed, I was halfway

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Speaker 3: through yeah, you know, my time, and I felt like

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Speaker 3: things are just getting good. So yeah, but now I'm

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Speaker 3: like starting to slow down and uh yeah, I'm like

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Speaker 3: working on phasing out of the industry. So I think

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Speaker 3: that's why I think a lot of people are starting

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Speaker 3: to see more of me. Yeah, because I'm starting to

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Speaker 3: transition out. It's not going to be like in the

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Speaker 3: next couple of months, people calm down, But when I

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Speaker 3: but I am working toward that way just because like

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Speaker 3: I'm ready for something new, I'm ready to read.

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Speaker 2: I'm ready to reinvent myself again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the bitch sial is good. Okay, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: To my guests, thank you so much, and to the listeners.

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Speaker 1: sure to email me at Hello at thepgpodcast dot com.

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Speaker 1: And until next time, everyone Later, guys. The Professional Homegirl

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