Speaker 1: Hey guys, So I've always wanted to do some sort
Speaker 1: of like top Episodes of the Year rundown thingy. This year,
Speaker 1: I had a little extra time before taking off for
Speaker 1: the holiday, and so kind of threw something together just
Speaker 1: based on what the episodes were that you listened to
Speaker 1: the most. In future years, I'd like to open it
Speaker 1: up for voting get your input. But for this year,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna be rerunning each of the top five
Speaker 1: episodes while we're on holiday break. And yeah, here is
Speaker 1: the number four most listened to episode of the year.
Speaker 1: It's one of our new format episodes where we started
Speaker 1: interviewing expert guests and ask them about things we weren't
Speaker 1: smart enough to speculate on.
Speaker 2: So here it is.
Speaker 1: Hope you enjoy Hello the Internet, and welcome to season
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Speaker 4: Oh hi, b intro like shouting my name into a cave,
Speaker 4: you know, seeing what echoes.
Speaker 1: Back to a cave full of the entire Internet. So
Speaker 1: that's right, the whole damn Internet is here to welcome
Speaker 1: you on.
Speaker 4: The I'm feeling very blessed to be back here and
Speaker 4: continue some very important discussions.
Speaker 1: Yes always yeah, So this is this is our Tuesday
Speaker 1: episode where we kind of take a look at one
Speaker 1: specific topic that we think kind of undergirds the whole zeitgeist.
Speaker 1: There's important to understanding the zeitgeist.
Speaker 5: Y undergirds are what I use instead of spanks, so.
Speaker 2: Very they were the yeah, free date spanks. That's right,
Speaker 2: what's my undergirds? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, so we wanted to have you on.
Speaker 1: You had one of our favorite observations in the history
Speaker 1: of the show when you you basically said that you
Speaker 1: knew Trump was going to win the twenty sixteen election
Speaker 1: based off of watching The Bachelor, and then you explained why,
Speaker 1: and it made perfect sense and looking at pop culture
Speaker 1: tea leaves and like reading what it acted, like what
Speaker 1: is actually being said about what's happening to people on
Speaker 1: the inside. What has gone on with our shared dreams
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite subjects. You are really good
Speaker 1: at it. We love to do it on the zeitgeist,
Speaker 1: and so we wanted to have you on to do
Speaker 1: just that, and we'll get into what specifically we're talking.
Speaker 1: Actually we can do that now. I mean we throughout
Speaker 1: stan culture being the new religion. We've talked about that before.
Speaker 1: But this one subject keeps popping up on social media.
Speaker 1: Popped up over the weekend after we had selected this subject,
Speaker 1: and that is kind of like the desexualization of pop culture.
Speaker 1: Movie movie sex scenes in particular see to be like
Speaker 1: a particular thing that is that people are objecting to
Speaker 1: lately and are like, why do these exist? When I
Speaker 1: watch an eighties movie? Why does Dan Aykroyd get a
Speaker 1: blood job from a ghost, for instance, And that one's
Speaker 1: actually a really good question. But anyways, there's all sorts
Speaker 1: of things we've talked about before. The idea that like
Speaker 1: de sexualized beautiful bodies is like actually a feature of
Speaker 1: fascist art, and so we've puzzled over whether that's what
Speaker 1: we're seeing here. But there's lots of As this has
Speaker 1: become more and more of a mainstream thing that we're
Speaker 1: seeing on social media, there's lots of explanations, and we
Speaker 1: thought you were the best person to have to have
Speaker 1: on the show to talk about this.
Speaker 4: I'm thrilled to be here to talk about like very
Speaker 4: hot sexy bodies not having sex. No, but I was
Speaker 4: so fascinated you guys chose this because it's also something
Speaker 4: I've been thinking about a lot. Also just as like
Speaker 4: a side topic and where I'm coming from. I was,
Speaker 4: you know, the writers are on strike right now, but
Speaker 4: before we were on strike, I was pitching a show
Speaker 4: and one of the demographics it was going out to
Speaker 4: it was gonna be like part for millennials, part for
Speaker 4: gen Z sort of this basically like late twenties, early
Speaker 4: thirties audience that people seem to think millennials and gen.
Speaker 5: Z are just like so so so different.
Speaker 4: So when you're pitching for like that late twenties early thirties,
Speaker 4: executives start referencing studies like the ones we're going to
Speaker 4: talk about, like gen Z actually isn't having in sex anymore,
Speaker 4: so like like can one of these characters just like
Speaker 4: not have a partner of any kind and they just
Speaker 4: like live in a hole and they stare at a
Speaker 4: wall because that's.
Speaker 5: What we assume gen Z is doing.
Speaker 4: And it was so frustrating because every time I looked around,
Speaker 4: be it from people in my real life, the youth
Speaker 4: of the real life, TikTok, social media, really anything, I
Speaker 4: just kept feeling.
Speaker 5: Like that is not true at all.
Speaker 4: Even in gen Z reality shows, like they are getting engaged,
Speaker 4: they are getting married, they're talking about dating kind of
Speaker 4: like the same way. You've always had this feeling of like,
Speaker 4: you know, I want to be having good sex, but
Speaker 4: I'm not.
Speaker 5: I don't know if that's something particular to me.
Speaker 4: And my friends, but like I remember in my early twenties,
Speaker 4: it was like, yeah, we would like to be having sex,
Speaker 4: but no one's having sex, Like sex in the city
Speaker 4: like that just feels like the twenties thing, unless, of course,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm sure some people work. But anyways, all
Speaker 4: to say that, like I really think about these studies
Speaker 4: that are being referenced, like gen Z is like this,
Speaker 4: and dah da da is like this, and all I
Speaker 4: keep thinking about is like who's doing these studies?
Speaker 5: And maybe gen Z is just not participating?
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, don't you know what?
Speaker 4: We're actually not going to answer the polls about like
Speaker 4: what we've been fucking lately.
Speaker 5: We're just not because I just don't think they're correct.
Speaker 5: But I would love to hear what you guys think.
Speaker 1: It's like the political polls that are like, man, these
Speaker 1: elderly people certainly over in they seem like they're doing great,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, how did you conduct this? Calling
Speaker 1: land lines exactly exactly?
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, I guess we didn't predict the election
Speaker 4: correctly off of the one hundred landlines. And then the
Speaker 4: I mean, how weird do you have to be to
Speaker 4: pick up the phone these days? Who is answering the phone?
Speaker 4: We're trusting them with our polling data. The people who
Speaker 4: answer an unknown number, I don't trust them.
Speaker 1: We actually asked a bunch of gen Z people's grandparents
Speaker 1: about their sexual behavior. And this is what they told me.
Speaker 5: This is what they told us. Yeah, I just I
Speaker 5: think so anyways, I do.
Speaker 4: But what I do think is a really interesting discussion
Speaker 4: with this fascism thing is. And the thing that I've
Speaker 4: been feeling is is that I'll say, as a millennial
Speaker 4: to the gen Z's is perhaps lacking nuance discourse nuance,
Speaker 4: which I don't know how. I mean, how close do
Speaker 4: you think lack of nuance and understanding nuance is to
Speaker 4: turning fascist right, you know, on the nuanced to fascist spectrum.
Speaker 4: I do think we're somewhat close, but I don't think
Speaker 4: it's fascism. I think it's nuanced.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's probably true. And we we
Speaker 1: have talked before speaking of David Zaslave that he's a
Speaker 1: real gen Zer because when he saw flea Bag, he
Speaker 1: paused it and told everyone that we're if we're either
Speaker 1: going to turn this trash off for the sex scenes
Speaker 1: or we're just gonna watch it and nobody's allowed to
Speaker 1: look at me while we watch it. So he was
Speaker 1: very scandalized by a second.
Speaker 5: I'm sure he.
Speaker 4: Didn't want people to look at him as he was
Speaker 4: just coming egregiously back.
Speaker 2: Eyes off. Yeah, hands free, watch hands free, hands up,
Speaker 2: hands up? How well.
Speaker 4: I think that's also another good point though, of like
Speaker 4: people like Zaslov and them are at the top of
Speaker 4: our TV pop culture right now is plugged in.
Speaker 1: I can just finish your sentence.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, that's exactly.
Speaker 5: What I was gonna say. God, he wants to look
Speaker 5: cool so bad.
Speaker 4: I saw him wearing three popped collared shirts the other day.
Speaker 4: Three So that's a jacket, that's a shirt, and then
Speaker 4: there was another shirt underneath three, and all of them
Speaker 4: popped collars, and then the little pockets on the jacket popped.
Speaker 5: I said, come on, my dog.
Speaker 4: But anyways, all to say that, like normally I think
Speaker 4: we look at pop culture and it can really reflect
Speaker 4: what you were saying, reflect back on to like culture culture.
Speaker 4: But right now I'm feeling that actually only reality TV
Speaker 4: and social media can accurately do that, because people like
Speaker 4: Zaslov have been making television decisions for a good five
Speaker 4: years and they're not accurately reflecting culture anymore.
Speaker 1: Interesting, all right, well we are. That's what we're going
Speaker 1: to be talking about in the second and third act. First,
Speaker 1: we were there first. That's what's something from your We
Speaker 1: need to get to know you better? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: get to know you.
Speaker 5: We we do like.
Speaker 1: To ask our guess, what's something from your search history
Speaker 1: that's revealing about who you are? Sir?
Speaker 5: You know what? I'll do it live? Do you know
Speaker 5: what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll go in lie.
Speaker 4: Oh well, we're gonna get to it. But Chloe Bailey,
Speaker 4: patiently responding to swarm sex scene backlash, I was an
Speaker 4: article I'd read a while ago, but cueued it up
Speaker 4: for our conversation.
Speaker 2: Got it, got it? Got it?
Speaker 1: What is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 5: Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: Stay with me on this.
Speaker 5: So I was getting very nostalgic for magazines.
Speaker 4: US Weeklies, people holding it in your hands, someone basically
Speaker 4: curating your feed for you and telling you this is
Speaker 4: what people are paying attention to. So my husband got
Speaker 4: me a subscription to US Weekly, and I was like, yes,
Speaker 4: back in the saddle, here we go. And I know
Speaker 4: it's like, Okay, print media is dying, blah blah blah,
Speaker 4: but wow, oh my god, has this magazine taken such
Speaker 4: a turn to the point where even if we don't
Speaker 4: rate us Weekly highly anymore.
Speaker 5: Whatever it is is still too high.
Speaker 4: Like in the magazine they are now printing celebrities own
Speaker 4: Instagram photos. Wow, okay, so it Instagram, yes, paper Instagram,
Speaker 4: but like sometimes like out of date. So it's like,
Speaker 4: over the course of six months, Selena Gomez posted a
Speaker 4: photo with a fish, and then someone else did, and
Speaker 4: now there's just a page in US Weekly being like, look,
Speaker 4: sometimes celebrities fish and it's like I already saw that
Speaker 4: on Instagram and you just like put it through your printer, Like,
Speaker 4: what's happening?
Speaker 5: Do we not pay paparazzis anymore? Do they do not
Speaker 5: have the money for that?
Speaker 4: Like, are we not curating like thoughts throughout the fish photos?
Speaker 5: It's just And then I started going through all of
Speaker 5: it and like the just they're just like us, that's
Speaker 5: it's just just printing Instagram. Still, I couldn't believe.
Speaker 2: I remember it used to be like the paparazzi things
Speaker 2: like you go to sprouts whatever.
Speaker 4: Now they're like, oh, look, Chrissy Cheeking dances in her
Speaker 4: living room. It's like yeah, because she's holding the camera herself, what.
Speaker 1: Are you doing?
Speaker 2: Oh wow?
Speaker 5: As soon as I just.
Speaker 4: Couldn't believe it was still a magazine, and then they're
Speaker 4: like atoning for their crimes, Like do you guys remember
Speaker 4: when two celebrities would be caught wearing the same dress
Speaker 4: and they'd be like who wore it better? And they
Speaker 4: it'd be like one percent for me and a suvari, like, you.
Speaker 1: Know, everyone thinks you look like shit.
Speaker 5: You look like shit in this dress.
Speaker 4: And so now they're sort of like they've learned like, oh,
Speaker 4: we're not you know, we're not supposed to like pen
Speaker 4: women against each other.
Speaker 5: And so now they just put a little thing that
Speaker 5: says twining.
Speaker 2: Oh but.
Speaker 4: Boo boo, tell me a story, do something interesting, Like
Speaker 4: I get that. I like, yeah, like, don't put them
Speaker 4: against each other? But like that was it twiny? And
Speaker 4: they just they just past photos of them in dresses
Speaker 4: going twining, and then the silent part is who were
Speaker 4: it better?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, which twin do you prefer?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And the comedians used to make fun of fashion
Speaker 4: in the back, like the back page se sad pathetic
Speaker 4: comedians like myself being like tent dress, I'd go camping
Speaker 4: in that, you know, something like that. And now it's
Speaker 4: people being like mules are very in pink is in color?
Speaker 5: Is a color that's in this season?
Speaker 2: Bright green? Are you missing out on the Yeah?
Speaker 1: I wonder like, do we think this happened because budget
Speaker 1: cuts at US Weekly or because there's only one magazine
Speaker 1: now and so they like don't have to compete with anybody,
Speaker 1: so they're just like, I don't fucking care. Let's pretend
Speaker 1: green is a new thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I you know, I was thinking about it and I
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, are they just sort of getting like
Speaker 4: is this a thing where most of Americans aren't on
Speaker 4: social media?
Speaker 5: So this magazine is like still helping people, but like.
Speaker 4: No, like six, six out of ten Americans are on Instagram,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? And I think the four
Speaker 4: that aren't don't subscribe to US Weekly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Like the people I know who aren't on
Speaker 2: social media, they damn sure don't give a fun about
Speaker 2: celebrity culture. Eve. Yeah, they're like on their own shit.
Speaker 2: They're like, I know, I'm I operate on a completely
Speaker 2: different system than other people exactly.
Speaker 4: And this is where it's like, oh, print media is
Speaker 4: going out of business. Well, it's like I think they've
Speaker 4: been told time of death is in four years, and
Speaker 4: they're just trying to like in their lives early, Like
Speaker 4: I don't know, I Like, it's as if they're like,
Speaker 4: no one's like.
Speaker 2: That, right, They're like, I'm not gonna bust my ass
Speaker 2: as the factory burns down. I'm gonna fucking just kick
Speaker 2: it and just you know, just like it get singed
Speaker 2: in the corner. Yeah, exactly. We used to every week.
Speaker 2: I mean we used to buy all the tabloid shout
Speaker 2: out boyd Watch where we would buy like every tabloid
Speaker 2: like National Inquirer, Globe, all that shit, and then all
Speaker 2: the gossip mags like people in Touch. And I'm curious
Speaker 2: now to see, Like, I wonder how much the pandemic
Speaker 2: has changed that coverage, because even then it was still
Speaker 2: doing like who wore it better? Yeah, and other things
Speaker 2: and just being like they're just like us. But it
Speaker 2: was like the old you know, the paparazzi shots out
Speaker 2: in Malibu where somebody wearing big glasses with the Starbucks
Speaker 2: trained to cup or whatever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she kind of looks sad. I bet she's divorced.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, was like, oh dude, this child paradise.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was a subtext of every photograph, wasn't there. One
Speaker 2: was like Brad Pitt touched raped Jennifer Aniston's stomach. They're
Speaker 2: fucking pregnant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly one miles. That was an entire that was
Speaker 1: in every magazine for ten and a half years.
Speaker 5: Every day she's pregnant, she's pregnant.
Speaker 2: Why would you touch your stomach right after eating if
Speaker 2: she wasn't.
Speaker 1: They hadn't seen each other for fifteen years, and they're
Speaker 1: like shocking new photos suggest that they're back together.
Speaker 4: It's like Angelina Jolie says, he's pretty abusive on a plane.
Speaker 5: Jennifer Aniston pregnant with twins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cut to Jennifer Aniston missed me with that gossip.
Speaker 1: But US Weekly was purchased by American Media, Inc. Which
Speaker 1: is the owner of Lake Choir, National Choir and all that.
Speaker 1: Like the actual blows.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean then it should get juicier.
Speaker 1: I just don't.
Speaker 4: I have to say, Like I listen, I subscribed to
Speaker 4: some GUS newsletters and they're so funny. They're so fun
Speaker 4: The ones include pictures fucking ty. If you printed that out,
Speaker 4: I would buy it for three ninety nine. I just
Speaker 4: like it's as if like they brought in they brought
Speaker 4: in a bunch of granddads to run this weekly in there,
Speaker 4: like I think my wife said there was uh recipes.
Speaker 1: They almost definitely did, because like what that was One
Speaker 1: thing that we noticed about National Inquiry and like the
Speaker 1: actual supermarket tabloids was that they seemed to be made
Speaker 1: by and for people who were in their eighties. Like truly,
Speaker 1: it was just all about like this elderly celebrity might
Speaker 1: be dying last days for Dolly like that that was
Speaker 1: Every other issue was about how Dolly Parton was dying.
Speaker 1: But for the most part it was just old old
Speaker 1: people news.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I guess that's really just the demographic. It's
Speaker 5: them and me with a.
Speaker 1: Subscription, right, I'll read what is what's something you think
Speaker 1: is underrated?
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm doing a little like you know, my mine
Speaker 4: go together like they match?
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: Reddit.
Speaker 4: Now again you'll be like, yes, Reddit's really popular. Schelse
Speaker 4: like what are you talking about? But again, I feel
Speaker 4: like a bunch of communitians myself included, have always used
Speaker 4: Reddit as a punchline as like oh, the like the trolls,
Speaker 4: the sub humans, you know what I mean, Like, who
Speaker 4: cares what's like happening on Reddit? And I have some
Speaker 4: Google search terms up for my podcast and I did
Speaker 4: this Carolyn Callaway Natalie Beach episode and somehow, you know,
Speaker 4: one of my Google alerts brought me to a Reddit thread.
Speaker 4: Before clicking it, I thought like, you're not supposed to
Speaker 4: do this, Chelsea, Like this is not.
Speaker 5: Whatever happens from here is like not gonna go well.
Speaker 4: And when I got there, I was like, holy shit,
Speaker 4: this is some good discourse. This is some really smart,
Speaker 4: high level discourse. And I think there's been a shift.
Speaker 4: Granted I've not been real checked in to Reddit, but
Speaker 4: like on TikTok comments and Instagram comments and Twitter, they
Speaker 4: all kind of like derail the discourse and it always
Speaker 4: goes into like your you're ugly that and should die,
Speaker 4: Like somehow that always gets there, like within the first
Speaker 4: three minutes.
Speaker 5: Reddit is for the people who are.
Speaker 4: Like we we we want seven hundred characters, we have
Speaker 4: something to say, we need a real forum. And I
Speaker 4: just I found some really elevated topics in there, and
Speaker 4: I was like, I cannot believe I haven't been living
Speaker 4: here the whole time.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's definitely all about like what subreddits you
Speaker 2: go on, Definitely what the energy is of people because yeah,
Speaker 2: some places are just total toxic meltdowns constantly. Like it's
Speaker 2: funny even how like sports teams will have different subreddits
Speaker 2: where like some people are like, na, that other subreddit
Speaker 2: is for like the fucking wishy washy daydreamers who don't
Speaker 2: actually know ball we know shit on this subreddit, and
Speaker 2: like you'll even see like people with the same interest
Speaker 2: like no, you guys over there, serious shit over here,
Speaker 2: or like if you want a ship post, do that there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there really is.
Speaker 5: But that's so it's like they're.
Speaker 4: Yeah, creating internal guidelines, they're kicking people out to the
Speaker 4: other threads. I saw this thing where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we don't like I saw this battle of like, don't
Speaker 4: call this girl pick me.
Speaker 5: Don't use pick me energy. It's a sexist term.
Speaker 4: But I was in a thread for people to shit
Speaker 4: talk other probably women. I was in the thread where
Speaker 4: you're like, isn't this woman so fucking stupid? And someone
Speaker 4: was like, you are misusing pick me right right? That
Speaker 4: is toxic, And I was like.
Speaker 2: Where am I hello, professor?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just really yeah, I really liked it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a really good point. I think
Speaker 1: that's a really good underrated because Reddit does like it
Speaker 1: is still used as shorthand for like dumb Internet like
Speaker 1: trolls and in cells, and like that's definitely not exclusively
Speaker 1: the case or even like largely the case. I feel
Speaker 1: like there's usually like if you want to find a
Speaker 1: way to like use the Internet that doesn't make it
Speaker 1: feel like it's completely broken and your every page that
Speaker 1: you go to is taken over by ads. Just like
Speaker 1: put a Reddit filter on all your searches. Just do
Speaker 1: like whatever you're looking for and then Reddit, and you're
Speaker 1: going to have a better time on the Internet.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: See how like on Google when people have like questions
Speaker 2: about like day to day things, the like when it
Speaker 2: auto fills, Reddit will be like one of them. They're
Speaker 2: like how to change car battery? Reddit? You know, then
Speaker 2: like YouTube because like it's really interesting. I mean I'm
Speaker 2: I'm on Reddit a lot. I you know, obviously, like
Speaker 2: you go, like the shit I'm interested in, I go
Speaker 2: I check those subreddits out and it's fantastic. There's other
Speaker 2: ones I just like to watch, Like there's one about
Speaker 2: economics where like a bunch of economists choke. It's like
Speaker 2: you'll never get consensus with like with two economists in
Speaker 2: the same room and then like they just like laugh,
Speaker 2: like all high minded economy economic shit, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck. I'm like, this is kind of interesting,
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's it's there's truly something for everybody there.
Speaker 2: Like I was on a subreddit where people just be
Speaker 2: like I just found this thing? What is this? And
Speaker 2: then people come in They're like, oh, I've been a
Speaker 2: plumber for thirty years. This tools actually used to like
Speaker 2: stop a drain or blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: People like whoa, Yes, it was a plunger.
Speaker 4: Yah.
Speaker 2: It's like like goes down a drain and like inflates.
Speaker 2: It's like when there is and when there isn't a stopper.
Speaker 2: It it's like some very specific plumbing tool. But it
Speaker 2: just looks like a lightsaber. So people were like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I.
Speaker 1: Just found this ship encrusted lightsaber.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 4: I think the mob mentality of Reddit is very It
Speaker 4: has a higher IQ and EQ than TikTok mob intelity.
Speaker 4: I think if you went on TikTok you're like yo
Speaker 4: with this plunger.
Speaker 5: People like you idiot, you didn't know what this is.
Speaker 5: And you'ld go on Reddit and they'd be like, we
Speaker 5: don't talk like that in this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well yeah, there's there's like some people on subred
Speaker 2: it's called like no dumb questions, like where people go
Speaker 2: and there's not like people were like, I'm sorry, what
Speaker 2: is Selena Gomez? And like a kidney thing I keep
Speaker 2: reading about.
Speaker 4: Please, Okay, this sounds like I should go there because
Speaker 4: I've got answers for that one.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's another one. Yeah, out of the loop.
Speaker 2: You'd probably like because that's another one where people come
Speaker 2: in with like pop culture questions and they're like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: who is D four four VB the artist?
Speaker 5: I love this?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I feel sad for myself that I missed out on
Speaker 4: Reddit for so many years because I just assumed it
Speaker 4: was like you know what I mean, it's a lazy
Speaker 4: punchline of like these losers. So it's like, hmmm, they're
Speaker 4: pretty smart. They want to type out paragraphs like that takes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty smart.
Speaker 2: Just don't venture anywhere where like you may be the
Speaker 2: topic of conversation that's subreddit specific.
Speaker 1: To Miles's point, not great place to find out about
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. If you're just reading from a Donald Trump
Speaker 1: reddit subreddit not a great place to see crime solved
Speaker 1: in real time, but then in absolutely nowhere is good
Speaker 1: at crowdsourcing crime solution.
Speaker 4: Good point, but listen, specific genre of books, that's where
Speaker 4: I'm at. Get to the book places, influencer snark threads,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: There there there's like foam Wah, which is like a
Speaker 2: Dumois kind of I don't know, have you seen foam wak? Yeah?
Speaker 4: But you know what, I am so so out on
Speaker 4: Dumois and foam wa because it's like they have made
Speaker 4: every single person into a paparazzi.
Speaker 5: And I don't trust half of these paparazzis, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean like every time they're like, hey, guess what
Speaker 4: you know Toby Maguire is suing his wife a non please,
Speaker 4: It's like that could be that honestly, could.
Speaker 5: Be my grandma.
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: Have you read Last Weekly ten years ago and it's like,
Speaker 5: guess what I heard?
Speaker 4: Like it's like, you know, we have to I want
Speaker 4: to read the Juice and know it's real, and now
Speaker 4: it's not because it's just some girl being like SoC
Speaker 4: Crystalia without his mask in a coffee.
Speaker 2: Shop, right, right, right, bo. Also, yeah, Victor in the
Speaker 2: chap brings up going a shower or you know about
Speaker 2: shower oranges. No, please, this where motherfuckers they go into
Speaker 2: a hot shower and just just just cave man bite
Speaker 2: into an orange.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily, it's just they're just saying that you should
Speaker 1: eat an orange and in a shower because of the
Speaker 1: accommodation of hot shower and cold orange.
Speaker 2: Like it was caping for shower oranges right now.
Speaker 5: It was very sexy and was very like just.
Speaker 2: Because the posts I read on shower oranges, I'm more in, like,
Speaker 2: I'm more interested by the ones where people like, guys,
Speaker 2: I did it. I just I just let my animal
Speaker 2: instincts overcome me. I just bugged it out with this
Speaker 2: orange and the shower and it was beautiful, and they
Speaker 2: see people like, would tangerines work?
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things I like about the
Speaker 1: concept of shower oranges that you can just peel it
Speaker 1: and drop it wherever you want, because you know, shower
Speaker 1: peels are pretty much waterproof, but.
Speaker 4: Then you're leaving them there, okay, but then it was
Speaker 4: just the joy of dropping it just great up later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I gotch I think, yeah, I think it
Speaker 2: appeals to like really messy people because it seems like
Speaker 2: the appeal is get all messy.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'm not I'm not some you know,
Speaker 2: very put together person like that, but I guess it
Speaker 2: doesn't appeal to me, like, yeah, get all gross, but
Speaker 2: the water just watches it away. You know the thing
Speaker 2: you hate about the way you want to eat in
Speaker 2: real life, which is let the food get all over.
Speaker 7: You, like I don't know, maybe all right, so everybody
Speaker 7: just wants to just bite into a watermelon from the
Speaker 7: outside in, stick your head through it, and then just
Speaker 7: like throw the rind everywhere.
Speaker 1: Right, No, yeah, that's just all right, moving on pool watermelons.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, all right, let's take a quick break,
Speaker 1: and when we come back, we will talk about the
Speaker 1: de sexualization of pop culture. Is it a thing? What
Speaker 1: does it mean? We'll be right back and we're back,
Speaker 1: so just a couple things to kick us off. More
Speaker 1: and more we're seeing like these reactions go viral. There
Speaker 1: was one over the weekend where a woman describes the
Speaker 1: movie Oppenheimer and like that her and her husband wanted
Speaker 1: to see Oppenheimer, but they had heard there was a
Speaker 1: sex scene you know. They she looks to be in
Speaker 1: her i'd say like late twenties, early thirties, and it's it's.
Speaker 2: Just a it's wild.
Speaker 1: The way she's talking about the sex scene as if
Speaker 1: it's like a thing we can all agree is like
Speaker 1: traumatic and not something that like anybody wants to watch,
Speaker 1: and like they talk about like how they got through it.
Speaker 1: They did their research, they like looked when it was
Speaker 1: going to happen, and then they like close their eyes
Speaker 1: during it, and this comes. I don't know what her
Speaker 1: deal is, what her husband's deal is, if like, you know,
Speaker 1: this is part of a long running social media presence
Speaker 1: where people know like that they have some past trauma
Speaker 1: as a couple or something like that. So I don't
Speaker 1: want to like dive too much in and be like,
Speaker 1: what a weirdo. She also has like a Jesus fish
Speaker 1: on her wrist, like tattooed on her wrist, so it
Speaker 1: could just be like religious stuff, but like this does
Speaker 1: seem to be. I think the reason it's getting so
Speaker 1: much traction is people are seeing this as a take
Speaker 1: more and more where people are like, finally someone says it,
Speaker 1: like sex scenes are weird. They make me feel gross.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see them, and it came out
Speaker 1: a lot with Oppenheimer in particular. But Chelsea, I just
Speaker 1: want to open the floor to you on this subject
Speaker 1: of like a step back from horniness as media consumers.
Speaker 4: Well, first I have to say I haven't been totally
Speaker 4: drawn to see Oppenheimer, but after that video, now I
Speaker 4: really want to go, Like I found myself being like
Speaker 4: I have to know what this sex scene is, so
Speaker 4: I don't, you know, I don't know where that puts
Speaker 4: me perspective, But now I want to see the movie.
Speaker 5: Have you guys seen it? Is it a graphic sex scene?
Speaker 1: I'd have to know it's not graphic.
Speaker 2: It's actually like really so if you only have missionary sex, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's straight like the woman. Yeah, that was the most
Speaker 2: risk thing.
Speaker 5: And it's it's like nudity, yeah, there's.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, there's there's some nudity. But I actually think,
Speaker 1: like it feels very strange, Like Christopher Nolan has traditionally
Speaker 1: been described as like being somewhat of a sexless filmmaker,
Speaker 1: like he made a movie about people's like going inside
Speaker 1: people's dreams, and no one, no one sucks at all,
Speaker 1: Like nobody like sex doesn't even exist inside these people's dreams.
Speaker 1: Sex doesn't really exist inside most of his movies, I
Speaker 1: would say, other than like the Joker character is kind
Speaker 1: of the most fuckingest character that like he has, and
Speaker 1: like any of his movies in the sense that like
Speaker 1: he is like this kind of creep but like, at
Speaker 1: least there is a sexual energy with the Joker. But anyways,
Speaker 1: this seemed like he was responding to that and being like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't do a sex scene, and it just feels
Speaker 1: it is a weird sex scene. The first one is
Speaker 1: really like it feels almost like self parody to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I went in with a if
Speaker 1: I went in being like, I'm going to hate this
Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan sex scene. But I think he's trying to
Speaker 1: fight against the idea that his movies are dead sexually
Speaker 1: and he failed.
Speaker 5: It sounds like he failed.
Speaker 2: I think he did.
Speaker 1: But I also I think he's popular, at least partially
Speaker 1: because his movies take place in a sexless universe, and
Speaker 1: I think people want that from their movies, like from
Speaker 1: Blockbuster movies.
Speaker 4: Well, it's yeah, there's so many one after that description,
Speaker 4: no two after that description.
Speaker 5: I want to see it even more.
Speaker 4: I just have to know, I have to know it's
Speaker 4: the only thing that has brought me to this movie.
Speaker 4: But yeah, there's so many threads to connect on this,
Speaker 4: but kind of the number one thought that comes to
Speaker 4: my mind is something I talked about with my one
Speaker 4: of my best friends, Ashley, who's also a television writer,
Speaker 4: which is that prior to this moment in culture, sex
Speaker 4: scenes have somewhat always They've always been bad story wise,
Speaker 4: so there's never there's almost I'm gonna say Deadpool is
Speaker 4: maybe the one exception where like a sex scene actually
Speaker 4: had to be there to move the story forward. But
Speaker 4: usually sex scenes are like a brief intermission where like,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, because the moment they've gotten
Speaker 4: to like kissing, we know, okay, so we're there story wise,
Speaker 4: So if you're gonna show the full sex like you
Speaker 4: just kind of sit in it, and so then it
Speaker 4: really is to be a very it's just exists to
Speaker 4: be a sexy sex scene, which was way more needed
Speaker 4: in previous generations where like that was the only time
Speaker 4: you were going to see a sex scene.
Speaker 5: Sexy sex scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was wearing like the trench coat and times square. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: Thinking that like some examples of sex scenes that needed
Speaker 1: to exist and that I think should inspire people to
Speaker 1: like think more creatively about sex scenes. Is like Parasite
Speaker 1: has a really interesting sex scene. Not an American film,
Speaker 1: but it like shows this like really wealthy couple like
Speaker 1: kind of having this weird sexual encounter on the couch
Speaker 1: where they're like fantasizing that they are like part of
Speaker 1: this lower class that they looked down on and suppress.
Speaker 1: And like I thought that was like a good that's
Speaker 1: a good one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's another going when we were like, oh, there's
Speaker 5: like meaning and.
Speaker 4: Purpose for yes, But I feel like, yeah, sort of
Speaker 4: traditionally and for the most part, sex scenes exist simply
Speaker 4: to be sexy and they don't move anything forward, and
Speaker 4: almost all of them have been written and directed by
Speaker 4: you know, white cis men for a hundred years and so,
Speaker 4: which and which I'm bringing up to say, like, I
Speaker 4: think if our previous cannon of sex scenes like had
Speaker 4: had any sort of other like sexual lens on them,
Speaker 4: that could turn a different portion of people on. I
Speaker 4: wonder if we'd be having this conversation. But because of that,
Speaker 4: people are sort of looking at this as like Oh,
Speaker 4: like you can go back and look at what was
Speaker 4: I just watching. It was a it was it was
Speaker 4: a movie where you're like, oh, it has a lot
Speaker 4: of sex scenes and you rewatch them and you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: all of them rape scenes, like and you just don't
Speaker 4: It was a it was a movie that had let
Speaker 4: me look hold on it was Sharon Sharon Stone.
Speaker 2: Basic.
Speaker 5: I think it was basic instinct.
Speaker 4: And I'm just like blinded by the most famous part
Speaker 4: of that movie and too, but I think it is
Speaker 4: basic instinct.
Speaker 5: But there are other sex scenes in that movie and they're.
Speaker 4: Just all rapes and and but they but they're films
Speaker 4: like sex scenes, and so I think this sort of
Speaker 4: like pushback to stuff like that is is built on
Speaker 4: one hundred years of only one version of sex theme
Speaker 4: shown on screen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like just the other thing. As we
Speaker 1: were like thinking about the Nolan and like, is he
Speaker 1: popular because he's like a particular like sex doesn't exist
Speaker 1: in his cinematic universe, and like his sex scene in
Speaker 1: Appenheimer seems like it was directed by somebody who's never
Speaker 1: had sex. Like I was also thinking about Tom Cruise, who,
Speaker 1: like the whole kind of argument against him has always been.
Speaker 1: This guy has like no sexual charisma, like he just
Speaker 1: like you can't really picture him having sex. Really, he's
Speaker 1: like kind of this beautiful creature who doesn't have any
Speaker 1: like you can't really picture him. And like the other
Speaker 1: sex scene that made me identify other than the Appenheimer one,
Speaker 1: the one that made me identify with all the people
Speaker 1: who are like, please stop, was the fucking Top Gun
Speaker 1: too sex scene where it's like, uhh yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: so weird. Like all of a sudden, the movie starts
Speaker 1: to feel like it's an ad for a retirement home.
Speaker 1: Like not that they're like that old, but the vibe
Speaker 1: of it is just like this, like it like feels
Speaker 1: like a like Viagra commercial, like.
Speaker 5: Totally because also it's just like dead.
Speaker 1: And remote and like takes place in heaven or something.
Speaker 2: It's really weird.
Speaker 4: And the the you know, the first hop Gun, the
Speaker 4: most sexual scene in that movie is a abs at
Speaker 4: the beach playing volleyball and they crush it.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, you're was like.
Speaker 4: And then in the second movie they did it again
Speaker 4: and I don't know if you noticed, but they had
Speaker 4: to shoot Tom Cruise like profile and silhouette shirtless like
Speaker 4: it was a very like long lens technically shirtless on
Speaker 4: the beach, but we're really going to focus on on miles,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 1: Games they're super high for no reason. This is just
Speaker 1: how people wear their jeans now yea yeah, But.
Speaker 4: But they crushed it in that beach scene too, and
Speaker 4: where it's like no one's no one is I don't
Speaker 4: feel like, yeah, I feel like on the most part,
Speaker 4: it's like we can take sexy abs at the beach,
Speaker 4: but like actual sexual intercourse, like I don't even know,
Speaker 4: like don't film it. It does feel like very uncomfortable,
Speaker 4: which yeah, I have to say that when you brought
Speaker 4: up this topic because personally, I feel like this is
Speaker 4: when it goes into gen Z. I'm sort of out
Speaker 4: on all the like gen Z is not having sex.
Speaker 4: It's like they were in a pandemic during the years
Speaker 4: when you learn how to put your mouth on someone
Speaker 4: else's face, so you know what I mean, So like
Speaker 4: you where there's gonna be a lag and like I
Speaker 4: you know, I'm not believing all of these the so
Speaker 4: called data of like they don't believe in sexy or
Speaker 4: I don't think that's it. But what I do think
Speaker 4: is true is that there's been a lot of sexual education,
Speaker 4: but not that second step into the nuance of sexual education.
Speaker 4: So like things feel very cut and dry, to the
Speaker 4: point that in the television show Swarm, which Chloe Bailey
Speaker 4: was in, I don't know if you guys saw that,
Speaker 4: but it has a very very graphic sex scene in
Speaker 4: the pilot, and a bunch of people online truly believed
Speaker 4: they were having sex. So they wrote into the television
Speaker 4: show accounts and on TikTok to be like, why did
Speaker 4: they make Chloe Bailey have sex and seem to have
Speaker 4: no understanding of.
Speaker 1: The art of television.
Speaker 4: Yeah, pantomime, Yes, like pantomime set you guys, they're not
Speaker 4: it's not happening. There's like, you know, protect sheer protection
Speaker 4: cups over their parts. But that's where I'm like, this
Speaker 4: is a nuanced understanding, mental alacrity, how to live in
Speaker 4: the real world issue and less of like what is
Speaker 4: like we don't like sex anymore issue.
Speaker 2: Because there's like a few ways to look because I
Speaker 2: think of like erotic thrillers, right, And it was like
Speaker 2: the eighties, we were you know, the conservatives. Conservatism of
Speaker 2: the eighties sort of like helped build up the pressure
Speaker 2: for like in the mid eighties for these films to
Speaker 2: start propping up, like you know, coming up and people like, oh,
Speaker 2: actually fuck with this. By the nineties were so horny
Speaker 2: and dumb. Yeah, these are our greatest to movies. And
Speaker 2: I think like there's an uptake for like a few
Speaker 2: reasons after, Like it's just kind of as we were
Speaker 2: talking about this and just like researching the topic and
Speaker 2: everything is like one really interesting thing is you point
Speaker 2: out is like a lot of those erotic thrillers have
Speaker 2: like sex can be dangerous, but also these women are
Speaker 2: crazy and will kill you. Yeah, And I think part
Speaker 2: of that is like the AIDS epidemic was already making
Speaker 2: people question the quote unquote dangers of sex or how
Speaker 2: sex could lead to like your eventual death right. And
Speaker 2: then there's also like this sort of evolution of sexual
Speaker 2: agency where like, again to your point about these like
Speaker 2: male writers and directors, like it almost feels like for them,
Speaker 2: they're getting out their anxieties over like an evolving new
Speaker 2: form of sexual politics coming out, and like what does
Speaker 2: that mean for dudes? Like are they just gonna fucking
Speaker 2: kill us?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, what what sexually turns them on, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. It's like it's like one dude's fantasy,
Speaker 4: Like she says, no, what she means, yes, I said
Speaker 4: one to I meant hundreds of millions stitutes, but who
Speaker 4: made all the art? But it's like, had had there
Speaker 4: been like to take this to the to the porn conversation,
Speaker 4: like like it is so hard to find porn that
Speaker 4: that that I personally like, I know this is TMI,
Speaker 4: but it's more of like a female thing like and
Speaker 4: I'm talking about like I don't like when the house
Speaker 4: is dirty.
Speaker 5: And I'm not talking about like I like it clean.
Speaker 4: It's just like if there's like a super dirty mattress,
Speaker 4: it's just so distracting it like or like put a sheet.
Speaker 5: On it, you guys, like what is it?
Speaker 4: And it's just like the actual ambiance and the actual atmosphere.
Speaker 5: And it's like stuff like that isn't thought through.
Speaker 4: And I feel like if our history of sex on
Speaker 4: TV and film had included other people perspectives of point
Speaker 4: of views of what turned them.
Speaker 5: On, yeah, yeah, there wasn't such a backlash.
Speaker 2: Right now, I.
Speaker 1: Don't mind a backlash against sex scenes that aren't doing
Speaker 1: anything interesting or like same, yeah, like like the Oppenheimer's
Speaker 1: sex scene, like the or uh not mission, the Top
Speaker 1: Gun two sex scene, Like I'm fine with people lashing
Speaker 1: back against that because it's not doing anything. I just
Speaker 1: don't want people to not feel like they can express
Speaker 1: that part of the human experience because like there's something
Speaker 1: bad about inherently bad about sex scenes as opposed to
Speaker 1: like there being something that is inherently bad about how
Speaker 1: sex scenes and sexual like energy was expressed in film
Speaker 1: up to this point.
Speaker 5: That's really well said.
Speaker 2: Yeah there's I mean like there's other dimensions too, like
Speaker 2: when you look at it, like I'm also like where
Speaker 2: does capitalism factor into this too? Because you know, like
Speaker 2: there was an analysis of like from just like around
Speaker 2: two thousand, like post nine, like right after nine to
Speaker 2: eleven to like two thousand and six, like all these
Speaker 2: films and like seeing that sex or nudity like was
Speaker 2: not like a like a revenue booster for films at all,
Speaker 2: Like it really did nothing, like didn't move the needle
Speaker 2: at all. And then you think about like you know,
Speaker 2: I guess eyes, why shut It's just like our sort
Speaker 2: of lasser prestige eerotic thriller. And that's two thousand and
Speaker 2: there are a couple you know, trickling out after that,
Speaker 2: but then you have like Lord of the Rings and
Speaker 2: Harry Potter come out, and then the studios are saying like,
Speaker 2: oh man, these like broad fucking movies, like we can
Speaker 2: just start like these are just money printing things, and
Speaker 2: like maybe we just need to go all in on
Speaker 2: this shit too. So I know there's like a dimension
Speaker 2: of that. But then I also think of like the
Speaker 2: taboo element too, which is like to your point, even Chelsea,
Speaker 2: of like you know, in the eighties and nineties, like
Speaker 2: this was like a date night thing where like you go.
Speaker 8: Like, I don't know, like there's some sexy shit going
Speaker 8: on up there, and we don't have to feel bad, yeah,
Speaker 8: because there's no online porn where we can just kind
Speaker 8: of like blow the doors open on everything we desire,
Speaker 8: So it fills that sort of need.
Speaker 2: But then there's also like the taboo where, like I remember,
Speaker 2: as like a ten year old middle schooler, you would
Speaker 2: talk about these movies, not even because they were worked,
Speaker 2: like it's like a good movie. You'd be like did
Speaker 2: you see it? Did your parents let you?
Speaker 5: Minute and thirty seconds in on the VHF exactly.
Speaker 2: And become a man. Yeah, you will. You will know
Speaker 2: what it looks like if you go to that scene,
Speaker 2: like what. And so I feel like for my generation too,
Speaker 2: like we were like somewhat educating ourselves in this really
Speaker 2: bizarre way with these films. But then also I think we,
Speaker 2: like the nineties were so hyper sexual, Like I feel
Speaker 2: like it also burned us out to the point where
Speaker 2: now you're looking for something a little more nuanced rather
Speaker 2: than like, well, when's the part where they're going to
Speaker 2: show a topless woman in the movie.
Speaker 4: Totally And also I think it's sort of that thing
Speaker 4: we're talking about, which is like it's just a call
Speaker 4: for better art. And also I think there is a
Speaker 4: call for better porn, like consensual porn, porn being but
Speaker 4: like I think there's just a call for like being
Speaker 4: better because we did get educated and now with the Internet,
Speaker 4: this generation is like the most educated. I mean, I
Speaker 4: was just thinking about how Harvey Weinstein, you know, maker
Speaker 4: of many many Mirramax films made free to Callow, which
Speaker 4: was this you know, supposed supposed to be prestige filmed
Speaker 4: with Ama And there's this famous story where he's like,
Speaker 4: you need to do a full frontal naked a lesbian
Speaker 4: scene in the Free to Colo movie or I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna make it, and Salma thinks to herself, like, I
Speaker 4: really think the story about this woman is important, So
Speaker 4: I guess I'm gonna do this sort of softcore porn
Speaker 4: scene that makes absolutely no fucking sense again because people
Speaker 4: like Harvey Weinstein were in charge, and I feel like
Speaker 4: it's more of a pushback to that, or even going
Speaker 4: to Swarm, where they think, like, you know, this sex
Speaker 4: scene is kind of really glorifying the male character, and
Speaker 4: Chloe Bailey's character isn't It's a very like male sex
Speaker 4: scene again, and they're sort of like, what about her consent?
Speaker 5: Why does she have to be used like this?
Speaker 4: Granted I don't think they're understanding it's fake, but that
Speaker 4: sort of nuance of like this.
Speaker 5: Is so silly.
Speaker 4: But it's like they've been taught about consent and me
Speaker 4: too and assault and being better, but also not how
Speaker 4: to still be sexy or how to still like go
Speaker 4: forward with it, and so it probably does feel like
Speaker 4: a very like just don't do that type of situation.
Speaker 1: Or that it could be a statement. I actually haven't
Speaker 1: seen Swarm, but like swarm, but like it could be
Speaker 1: a statement about like, you know, every film character is
Speaker 1: not meant to be a model of virtue, right, Like
Speaker 1: sometimes you're showing bad people doing bad things or like
Speaker 1: and the like that. I feel like that becomes a
Speaker 1: problem when you're not allowed to do that without being
Speaker 1: seen as like approving of the behavior that you're depicting
Speaker 1: in the movie.
Speaker 2: Right yeah.
Speaker 4: And I feel like I've seen that a lot too,
Speaker 4: which kind of goes again to like the nuance and
Speaker 4: art and how like that has sort of that conversation
Speaker 4: I feel like has gotten so stilted in places like TikTok,
Speaker 4: whereas in other forums.
Speaker 5: It's still alive. R.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take a quick break, real quick, and we'll
Speaker 1: come back and keep talking about this.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back, and Miles, I think you're about to
Speaker 1: ask school.
Speaker 2: Oh just yeah. I mean, like, you know, the other
Speaker 2: thing is like we just kind of the evolution. I
Speaker 2: just think of like where I got my sexy imagery
Speaker 2: as someone born in the eighties, like through you know,
Speaker 2: like coming of age and then like late nineties ats
Speaker 2: and things like that, and it feels like at a
Speaker 2: certain point like it was like, oh, a Van Damn
Speaker 2: movie is gonna have movies in it, Like that was
Speaker 2: a shorthand in my mind, like you you were like
Speaker 2: conditioned to know like certain directors, actors, whatever, like there
Speaker 2: would be that sort of thing and then you But
Speaker 2: but then like a lot of the sex or sexual
Speaker 2: content just really kind of shifted to like our popular culture,
Speaker 2: like it didn't have to live in these sort of
Speaker 2: movies like basic what about basic instinct kind of thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's in my music videos, it's in the advertisements,
Speaker 2: it's on cable TV at night. So it's almost like
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's like also, again, this sort
Speaker 2: of diversification of where that sort of content lived to
Speaker 2: the points at it totally omni sexual, like everywhere was sex.
Speaker 2: So that also feels like another point where that I
Speaker 2: guess the appeal of it only getting it directly from
Speaker 2: film begins to wane a bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And also like if you're like, Okay, check out
Speaker 4: this Van dam sexy scene, or I can go to
Speaker 4: my OnlyFans of a real person who is alive who's
Speaker 4: doing my niche fetish and will look into the eyes
Speaker 4: of the camera and say my name right, Yeah, what
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, So when you go back
Speaker 4: to a VANDAM movie, you're like.
Speaker 5: Boring, sid move it along.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, I was just thinking of remember when Seth
Speaker 4: MacFarlane did that Oscar song called boobs and yeah the
Speaker 4: movies you can see boobs in And that was twenty
Speaker 4: thirteen and the response.
Speaker 5: Was like yawn like on like yeah, that's.
Speaker 4: All you're in it for, and it's like shitty to
Speaker 4: treat women that way. And it's like I'm still I'm
Speaker 4: still here for a song, Like I still need to
Speaker 4: get to a place where like Seth McFarland can sing
Speaker 4: a song about full frontal dick and he's got thirty
Speaker 4: movies to reference, Like I think I've got one, you know, Yeah, we're.
Speaker 1: There, Harvey Kaitel, Yeah, yeah, I mean so I do
Speaker 1: still think it's interesting. So like the Weles you were
Speaker 1: talking about, like they made it, did an analysis in
Speaker 1: the early two thousands and found that, like nudity was
Speaker 1: not something that drove money making, And I think rather
Speaker 1: than just that being always true, I think that's probably
Speaker 1: an indicator of like changing tastes in like filmgoers, and
Speaker 1: like the whole thesis that I have about movies is like, yes,
Speaker 1: they're like commercial ventures, but they people pay money to
Speaker 1: go see them because they are getting to see something
Speaker 1: that is happening that they can't really access inside them
Speaker 1: up on the screen, right, And so like that's why
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that like early two thousands, like
Speaker 1: as the country was becoming like explicitly fascist in the
Speaker 1: like War on Terror, and you know that that was
Speaker 1: a time when suddenly people were like, yeah, yeah, we don't,
Speaker 1: we don't want to see this shit. And I agree,
Speaker 1: like it definitely has to do with like that there
Speaker 1: became there like suddenly there were better places to get that.
Speaker 1: But I also I don't know, like there it does
Speaker 1: feel like they're one of these articles from I think
Speaker 1: slash Film was saying that it it's there's been like
Speaker 1: sort of an internalization of the PG thirteen rating when
Speaker 1: it comes to like our movies, where that's just kind
Speaker 1: of what people expect from movies. And I do think
Speaker 1: that there's like I think that happened because corporations came
Speaker 1: through and like overtook everything, you know, like that the
Speaker 1: big example that this blood Knife article uses the bloo
Speaker 1: Knife article that we'll link off to on the footnotes
Speaker 1: is called Everyone's beautiful and Nobody's horny or something to
Speaker 1: that effect. And it's about like superhero movies where everybody
Speaker 1: you know is just trained within just like an inch
Speaker 1: of like perfection, just like and that does that goes
Speaker 1: forward the superhero. It also goes for like the FBI
Speaker 1: agent and the background character and you know, like that
Speaker 1: that's just how everybody is supposed to look perfect. But
Speaker 1: then our favorite filmmakers, this guy whose movies take place
Speaker 1: in a world where like dreams don't have sex in them.
Speaker 1: And I think that there is something to the idea
Speaker 1: that like so fascist art, like when you look at
Speaker 1: like what was popular in Nazi Germany, like the films
Speaker 1: of Lenny reechinstall with like these documentaries where they would
Speaker 1: like glorify the human body and particularly the male body
Speaker 1: and like its strength and muscles. But like completely it
Speaker 1: was all about power dynamics, right, it was nothing about sex,
Speaker 1: and in fact, like sex was like to be completely
Speaker 1: removed from the equation. And I feel like there is
Speaker 1: like we obviously those movies also had like Hitler and
Speaker 1: it was like and all of the sexual energy is
Speaker 1: to be like sublimated to your religious fealty to the
Speaker 1: furor and like that horny for Hitler only, horny for
Speaker 1: Hitler only. And now it feels like it is done
Speaker 1: to sublimate to like the broader just kind of ideals
Speaker 1: of capitalism, and like the the fact that there's like
Speaker 1: an internal understanding of like, yeah, why would they put
Speaker 1: like Iron Man fucking in this movie? Like it wouldn't
Speaker 1: make as much money. And I root for this movie
Speaker 1: because like that's that's my team is Marvel and so like,
Speaker 1: and Marvel is winning against DC, and so I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. I don't think it is like
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a telltale symptom that like America
Speaker 1: is headed towards some sort of fascism with like a
Speaker 1: central fascist leader. But I do think it says something
Speaker 1: interesting about our relationship to this all consuming like capitalistic
Speaker 1: ideal where it's like, yeah, no, we just take the
Speaker 1: sex out of everything, because like that is not actually
Speaker 1: making money for the thing that we want to see
Speaker 1: make money. And we're all on board with that, not
Speaker 1: just David Zaslov, like we're all on board with that,
Speaker 1: because it doesn't like you can just get my sexual
Speaker 1: content elsewhere.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna push back on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, having written in late night comedy for I can't
Speaker 4: now I'm trying to do the math. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but I feel like the like, are we turning fascist
Speaker 4: think pieces like make the Rounds every three years?
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: And it's like are we are?
Speaker 4: We? Are we to the point where like it's not
Speaker 4: even gonna matter because the term fascist now I mean
Speaker 4: something different to everyone. It's lost all meaning like we're
Speaker 4: never gonna know you know what I mean, It's gonna
Speaker 4: be here and no one will have any understanding on it.
Speaker 4: But taking this back to where we started, the Bachelor,
Speaker 4: I will bring us into my main basis for this argument,
Speaker 4: which is that The Bachelor is dying a slow death.
Speaker 5: It's definitely slow, but it's just every season it's dying.
Speaker 5: It's dining simeon.
Speaker 4: And this last year we got reality shows about dating
Speaker 4: like Love is Blind, like The Ultimatum, Queer Love, which
Speaker 4: is Milf Manner one of the best shows I've ever watched,
Speaker 4: would you.
Speaker 2: Say, Miles, I said, Milf Manner.
Speaker 5: Milf Manner. I did watch every episode, Yes I did.
Speaker 4: And that's actually a great one to reference because in
Speaker 4: the ultimatum Queer Love, they've got cameras on and you,
Speaker 4: I mean, you're watching porn for a second, and you're
Speaker 4: watching porn if someone you've intimately gotten to know like
Speaker 4: all their relationship issues. And that show was wildly popular,
Speaker 4: and on TikTok the discourse about queer love stories and
Speaker 4: like there was an entire storyline of like, you fingered
Speaker 4: the woman I'm in love with and where's your fingers go?
Speaker 4: When did they start? And how did it happen? Is
Speaker 4: that considered sex? And then there's a conversation of like, everyone,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Is that penetrative sex or not?
Speaker 4: Do we count that as sex? What is the consent
Speaker 4: needed for finger sex versus other sex? And you're life
Speaker 4: and TikTok is like going nuts and loving this conversation.
Speaker 4: And everyone is loving that show. And I think it's
Speaker 4: because it was It was showing sex in the way
Speaker 4: that we understand and want to see it now, which
Speaker 4: is like real authentic. It's not through this like very
Speaker 4: singular patriarchal lens. Even on like Love Islands, they live
Speaker 4: in bikinis. They live in bikinis and they switch partners
Speaker 4: every other day for fifty episodes every season, and it's
Speaker 4: crushing it. Like love is blind, you know, they talk
Speaker 4: about are they having sex?
Speaker 5: Are they not?
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, the Bachelor, which is a very sterile show, which
Speaker 4: would fit this sort of like fascist thing where it's
Speaker 4: like overnight sweet, like the door closes and like who
Speaker 4: knows is dying a death.
Speaker 5: And popularity and so interesting.
Speaker 4: If we look to reality TV, I would say we
Speaker 4: are still very much here for sex, but we're no
Speaker 4: longer here for it in the ways that are harmful.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like it's it doesn't feel good.
Speaker 4: And then if sex scene is to like make you
Speaker 4: feel sexy, you don't want to feel bad while you're
Speaker 4: watching it.
Speaker 2: Yeaheah.
Speaker 1: So maybe my ultimate plea is like that movies do
Speaker 1: something interesting with their sex scenes because that's what people want.
Speaker 1: And it's not that people are necessarily fascist, yo, that
Speaker 1: they just want something interesting and not like the traditional
Speaker 1: eighties movie sexy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. To Chelsea's point, like again, I was raised on
Speaker 2: the Buck Wild movie sex scenes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And then then you know, the Internet kind of was
Speaker 2: like I was like, Okay, I think I know what
Speaker 2: I like and to the point to Nuance Like, now
Speaker 2: I'm like, how come they not kissing in this porno?
Speaker 2: I'm like, nah, now I'm off this, Like y'all need
Speaker 2: to be making out as shit, like I need to,
Speaker 2: like I want to see y'all be passionate, right or
Speaker 2: y'all like in Bridgerton. I just started watching The Second Sea.
Speaker 2: There's like one moment where this one character she just
Speaker 2: says she said, mister Bridgerton, and they just have like
Speaker 2: a look at each other, and I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: like and then you say shit, except like there was
Speaker 2: just a very tense moment and the release was just
Speaker 2: saying it and they shared a look and I was
Speaker 2: even like, damn, that was all right, Like yeah.
Speaker 4: We're like you're just like doing it well, you know,
Speaker 4: like that was hot and I didn't need to just
Speaker 4: see you coldly simulate motions.
Speaker 2: Right right exactly like making the back of the beast
Speaker 2: with two backs as it were. And I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're I think because we've moved on from just being
Speaker 2: like will they show sex?
Speaker 6: They do yes, And then once everyone now this is
Speaker 6: I do want to say this is a direct attack
Speaker 6: on me, because that is a direct quote from something
Speaker 6: I said earlier before we started rowling.
Speaker 2: So I didn't do the fist pump though, like I
Speaker 2: didn't do the double fist pump, yes, but like yeah
Speaker 2: that now we're so like, you know, it's like when
Speaker 2: you like you're you get introduced to a new cuisine
Speaker 2: in the beginning, anything will do, and then as you
Speaker 2: formulate tastes, you're like, no, actually, I'm like, it's not
Speaker 2: just about having you know, steak or whatever or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know, you just you begin to actually understand what
Speaker 2: it is that is appealing to you. And I think, ye, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's like it's just sort of simultaneous cultural
Speaker 2: evolution along with the amount of things we've been exposed
Speaker 2: to that kind of puts us in this different place.
Speaker 4: And I think it's the problem with art meeting capitalism
Speaker 4: right now, especially like we're in the writer strike and
Speaker 4: the whole like you Go Woke, you Go Broke movement,
Speaker 4: which is that like people come in and try and
Speaker 4: quantify it and do the data and the statistics and
Speaker 4: what's selling when what's not selling and actually this is
Speaker 4: in and that is en blah bah blah.
Speaker 5: But like the thesis is good.
Speaker 4: We would love a good movie we would love a
Speaker 4: good movie, and the moment we get a good movie,
Speaker 4: they go, oh, do that again?
Speaker 1: Do that again?
Speaker 4: Or like, you know, network television was dead, then abbot
Speaker 4: element comes up?
Speaker 1: Right, it was?
Speaker 5: It was good, right, Everyone goes.
Speaker 4: Workplace comedies, right, workplace comedies, and you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 4: so that's nuts.
Speaker 5: That was not the only thing that made that show good,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 4: And I just feel like people want really great art
Speaker 4: and every time it shows up, they're gonna love it,
Speaker 4: and every time it's shitty, they're gonna hate it.
Speaker 5: And then people are gonna drain it down into headline.
Speaker 4: Pieces of what could sell more or less, and they're
Speaker 4: gonna miss the point, which is that if it's good,
Speaker 4: it sells, and if it's bad, it does not.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Well, Chelsea, such a pleasure having you.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I knew I would learn a lot. I did learn
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 4: Were you guys horny the whole episode? I just need
Speaker 4: to know, like, you know, was it a horny episode
Speaker 4: for you guys?
Speaker 1: I was quaking. I mean you could see that I
Speaker 1: was quaking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I feel that for Justin, he's gonna have
Speaker 2: to cut out all that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was an edge lord the whole time, So.
Speaker 2: Shout out the goon everybody gooning out there. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was all I was all sax music in the background, playing.
Speaker 1: Where can people find You?
Speaker 2: Follow you?
Speaker 1: All that good stuff.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh. Please come listen to my podcast.
Speaker 4: It's called Celebrity Book Club with Chelsea Davantes, but it's
Speaker 4: so much more you guys. We discuss female celebrity memoirs.
Speaker 4: We also do some pop culture stuff. I inspired by
Speaker 4: you guys. I did an entire Bachelor episode talking about
Speaker 4: politics and where we're at now, and someone pointed out
Speaker 4: to me that in our Republican years is when we
Speaker 4: had our worst bachelors too.
Speaker 5: It's, you know, the method. Still I am.
Speaker 4: I am our data scientists on elections and so anyway,
Speaker 4: come listen there. And I'm on Instagram at Chelsea Devantes,
Speaker 4: and I do like I post things from books and
Speaker 4: stuff and have conversations over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Is it Wait, so that the thesis is that
Speaker 1: when the bachelor is bad, we elect Republicans.
Speaker 4: No, No, it's when we have Republicans in office. It's
Speaker 4: also cultural times where we are enjoying shittier bachelors who
Speaker 4: break the rules and are only out for themselves and ourselves. Okay, shit,
Speaker 4: but they're so entertaining. So like Pete's the pilots, you know,
Speaker 4: like if you just look at our Trump Bachelor's, they're
Speaker 4: the worst of all time and they're very selfish dudes.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, So maybe that's due to casting on the
Speaker 1: part of the producers of The Bachelor.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, and I think thinking of like like where
Speaker 4: we're at, Like Ari, You guys remember Ari as a bachelor.
Speaker 4: They brought him back and he like does the old
Speaker 4: switcher roo at the end. You guys are nodding, but
Speaker 4: you have no idea what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Before I remember because Anna no, Anna would regularly play
Speaker 2: because what's Ari's last name? It's like Louis. It's like a,
Speaker 2: oh is that one.
Speaker 5: Ari gray hair? Race car drivers?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, the race car driver guy. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: I'm savvy. I'm savvy. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Colton, who was like in the Closet, did an entire
Speaker 4: season as a fully gay man, choosing one woman.
Speaker 5: He then stalks her.
Speaker 4: She has to take out her string order on him,
Speaker 4: and then he's like I've been gay the whole time,
Speaker 4: Like wow, this is where we were at in the
Speaker 4: Trump years?
Speaker 2: Right, amazing, Hey do we get our first black bachelor
Speaker 2: and the Trump play heard it too?
Speaker 5: Right, Yes we did.
Speaker 4: And that's also when we got our racial Reckoning season
Speaker 4: where they brought in one black guy to host the
Speaker 4: reunion and then guess what he left never has never
Speaker 4: been heard from again. They brought him in for the
Speaker 4: Racial Reckoning then sent them away. Anyways, what was I saying?
Speaker 1: Follow me on Instagram actually get more takes like that?
Speaker 1: Is there a work of media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh so much.
Speaker 4: You know what, let's just give a shout out to
Speaker 4: milf manor it is not what you think it is.
Speaker 4: What it is because it starts and they're like, you're
Speaker 4: gonna be dating young men, and they're like, that's tight.
Speaker 4: And then the gate opens and it's all of their sons. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: so it's all of their sons. And then they're like,
Speaker 4: and you're going to share a room with your son,
Speaker 4: but you're gonna date the other sons of these other
Speaker 4: ladies here, and you're like, this is maniacal. And by
Speaker 4: the end of the episode, they've all like they're all
Speaker 4: just kind of like teaching their sons about like how
Speaker 4: to put a condom on a banana.
Speaker 2: Oh wow. It's also one of the worst made reality
Speaker 2: shows I've ever seen, Like there's no host, Like it
Speaker 2: feels like Lord of the Flies with like weird incestuous
Speaker 2: prompts that they have to do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they send them a text message like read this laud.
Speaker 4: They're like, all right, I guess we're gonna go to
Speaker 4: commercial break now and then we come back. We're gonna
Speaker 4: put on Blindfeld's. We're gonna feel up our sons. We're
Speaker 4: trying to choose which one is my son?
Speaker 2: Oh, this is definitely him.
Speaker 5: Oh this is my son. This is my boy.
Speaker 2: There's some moments where I'm like, they've destroyed my mind completely,
Speaker 2: like in ways that I did not I did not expect.
Speaker 2: And I think I'm know because the depravity or whoever
Speaker 2: was behind anyway, it's out there.
Speaker 1: This this episode has been the greatest add for trash
Speaker 1: reality television maybe ever goods I'm about. I guess we
Speaker 1: should ask the question like if Germany had access to
Speaker 1: trash television, like is the whole Third Reich avoided?
Speaker 2: Maybe, well, we'll trash television save us or bring us
Speaker 2: our next president.
Speaker 1: That's right, Miles, where can people find you as their
Speaker 1: working media?
Speaker 2: You've been enjoying at Miles of Gray, where they got
Speaker 2: at symbols. Find Jack and Iron a basketball podcast Miles
Speaker 2: and Jack got mad boosties. If you like trash realities,
Speaker 2: guess what. Check Sophia Alexander out on four to twenty
Speaker 2: Day Fiance where we talk about ninety day fiance, which
Speaker 2: is also pretty garbage. And then if you like some
Speaker 2: true crime, you can still catch me on The Good
Speaker 2: Thief talking about the Greek robin hood and all that.
Speaker 2: I don't have a piece of media, but I've been
Speaker 2: watching the newest season of how To with John Wilson,
Speaker 2: and there was a couple of moments where I've been
Speaker 2: like wow, wow, wow wow wow. Anyway, it's it's always
Speaker 2: an interesting show. So maybe check that out, all right.
Speaker 1: Tweet I've been enjoying is actually Ben Rosen at Ben Underscore.
Speaker 1: Roseen tweeted John Wilson narrating the Zapruder film. So you
Speaker 1: decide to go for a drive, but not everyone thinks
Speaker 1: that's a good idea.
Speaker 2: Wow, dude, the delivery.
Speaker 1: On that, and Pat Tobin retweeted an image so I
Speaker 1: don't know who made this, but I think about it
Speaker 1: a lot, and it's a side by side the sky
Speaker 1: and scenic locations. It's just a blue sky the sky
Speaker 1: at grocery stores and it's like this gorgeous, dramatic cloud
Speaker 1: sunset which just resident like totally rang true to me.
Speaker 1: I've seen some of the greatest skies of my life
Speaker 1: doing the most boring, like mundane shit in my life
Speaker 1: and then you like go on vacation to someplace and
Speaker 1: it's just blue skies. So anyway, fuck blue skys, is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Wow, the shout out to grocery stores.
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore Obrien.
Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at daily Zeitgeist, where
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Speaker 1: fan page and a website daily zekeeist dot com, where
Speaker 1: we post our episodes and our footnote we link off
Speaker 1: to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy,
Speaker 1: Miles LIS's song do you think people might just.
Speaker 2: You know, something nice get us into the week. This
Speaker 2: is George ben j O R G E D E N.
Speaker 2: And this track is called Dominga's It's so dope. George
Speaker 2: Benn is one of my favorite Brazilian artists. I'll never
Speaker 2: I'll keep saying that every time someone asks me that,
Speaker 2: and his singing's fantastic, Like the beginning has like a
Speaker 2: really dope you know, like I feel like if I
Speaker 2: was sampling, i'd sample that first maybe twenty seconds. But anyway,
Speaker 2: Dominga's by George Benn.
Speaker 1: All right, we will look off to that in the footnotes.
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