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Speaker 1: Hey guys, So I've always wanted to do some sort

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna be rerunning each of the top five

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Speaker 1: episodes while we're on holiday break. And yeah, here is

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Speaker 1: the number four most listened to episode of the year.

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Speaker 1: It's one of our new format episodes where we started

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Speaker 1: interviewing expert guests and ask them about things we weren't

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Speaker 2: So here it is.

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Speaker 1: Hope you enjoy Hello the Internet, and welcome to season

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Speaker 1: three oh one, episode one of Ally's I Guys Say

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take

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Speaker 1: a deep dive into america shared consciousness. And it is Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: August twenty second, twenty twenty three. You've been waiting for

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Speaker 1: It counts every mile that he travels.

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Speaker 2: I respect that. Actually that you.

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Speaker 1: Just never get over it, Like, look how far we're going.

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Speaker 1: You know, businessmen do love to do that ship too.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah. The status dude. The fucking airport any fucking

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Speaker 4: Oh hi, b intro like shouting my name into a cave,

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Speaker 1: Back to a cave full of the entire Internet. So

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Speaker 1: Yes always yeah, So this is this is our Tuesday

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Speaker 4: I'm thrilled to be here to talk about like very

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Speaker 5: And maybe gen Z is just not participating?

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Speaker 4: We're actually not going to answer the polls about like

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Speaker 5: We're just not because I just don't think they're correct.

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Speaker 1: It's like the political polls that are like, man, these

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Speaker 4: We're trusting them with our polling data. The people who

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Speaker 1: We actually asked a bunch of gen Z people's grandparents

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Speaker 1: I can just finish your sentence.

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Speaker 4: But anyways, all to say that, like normally I think

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Speaker 4: But right now I'm feeling that actually only reality TV

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Speaker 1: What is something you think is overrated?

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Speaker 5: So I was getting very nostalgic for magazines.

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Speaker 5: Whatever it is is still too high.

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Speaker 5: Do we not pay paparazzis anymore? Do they do not

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Speaker 4: Now they're like, oh, look, Chrissy Cheeking dances in her

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Speaker 5: And so now they just put a little thing that

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Speaker 4: Yeah? And the comedians used to make fun of fashion

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Speaker 5: So this magazine is like still helping people, but like.

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Speaker 4: No, like six, six out of ten Americans are on Instagram,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Like the people I know who aren't on

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Speaker 4: And this is where it's like, oh, print media is

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Speaker 2: That, right, They're like, I'm not gonna bust my ass

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Speaker 2: It was a subtext of every photograph, wasn't there. One

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly one miles. That was an entire that was

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Speaker 5: Every day she's pregnant, she's pregnant.

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Speaker 4: It's like Angelina Jolie says, he's pretty abusive on a plane.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, cut to Jennifer Aniston missed me with that gossip.

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Speaker 1: But US Weekly was purchased by American Media, Inc. Which

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Speaker 4: The ones include pictures fucking ty. If you printed that out,

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm doing a little like you know, my mine

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Speaker 5: Reddit.

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Speaker 4: Now again you'll be like, yes, Reddit's really popular. Schelse

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Speaker 4: Like we we we want seven hundred characters, we have

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Speaker 5: Don't use pick me energy. It's a sexist term.

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Speaker 4: was like, you are misusing pick me right right? That

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Speaker 2: Where am I hello, professor?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just really yeah, I really liked it.

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Speaker 1: is still used as shorthand for like dumb Internet like

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Speaker 1: trolls and in cells, and like that's definitely not exclusively

440
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Speaker 1: the case or even like largely the case. I feel

441
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Speaker 1: like there's usually like if you want to find a

442
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Speaker 1: way to like use the Internet that doesn't make it

443
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Speaker 1: feel like it's completely broken and your every page that

444
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Speaker 1: you go to is taken over by ads. Just like

445
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Speaker 1: put a Reddit filter on all your searches. Just do

446
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Speaker 1: like whatever you're looking for and then Reddit, and you're

447
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Speaker 1: going to have a better time on the Internet.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

449
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Speaker 2: See how like on Google when people have like questions

450
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Speaker 2: about like day to day things, the like when it

451
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Speaker 2: auto fills, Reddit will be like one of them. They're

452
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Speaker 2: like how to change car battery? Reddit? You know, then

453
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Speaker 2: like YouTube because like it's really interesting. I mean I'm

454
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Speaker 2: I'm on Reddit a lot. I you know, obviously, like

455
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Speaker 2: you go, like the shit I'm interested in, I go

456
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Speaker 2: I check those subreddits out and it's fantastic. There's other

457
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Speaker 2: ones I just like to watch, Like there's one about

458
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Speaker 2: economics where like a bunch of economists choke. It's like

459
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Speaker 2: you'll never get consensus with like with two economists in

460
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Speaker 2: the same room and then like they just like laugh,

461
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Speaker 2: like all high minded economy economic shit, and I'm like,

462
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Speaker 2: what the fuck. I'm like, this is kind of interesting,

463
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Speaker 2: But yeah, there's it's there's truly something for everybody there.

464
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Speaker 2: Like I was on a subreddit where people just be

465
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Speaker 2: like I just found this thing? What is this? And

466
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Speaker 2: then people come in They're like, oh, I've been a

467
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Speaker 2: plumber for thirty years. This tools actually used to like

468
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Speaker 2: stop a drain or blah blah blah blah blah.

469
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Speaker 1: People like whoa, Yes, it was a plunger.

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Speaker 4: Yah.

471
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Speaker 2: It's like like goes down a drain and like inflates.

472
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Speaker 2: It's like when there is and when there isn't a stopper.

473
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Speaker 2: It it's like some very specific plumbing tool. But it

474
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Speaker 2: just looks like a lightsaber. So people were like, I

475
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Speaker 2: don't know, I.

476
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Speaker 1: Just found this ship encrusted lightsaber.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I totally agree.

478
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Speaker 4: I think the mob mentality of Reddit is very It

479
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Speaker 4: has a higher IQ and EQ than TikTok mob intelity.

480
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Speaker 4: I think if you went on TikTok you're like yo

481
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Speaker 4: with this plunger.

482
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Speaker 5: People like you idiot, you didn't know what this is.

483
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Speaker 5: And you'ld go on Reddit and they'd be like, we

484
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Speaker 5: don't talk like that in this one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well yeah, there's there's like some people on subred

486
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Speaker 2: it's called like no dumb questions, like where people go

487
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Speaker 2: and there's not like people were like, I'm sorry, what

488
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Speaker 2: is Selena Gomez? And like a kidney thing I keep

489
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Speaker 2: reading about.

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Speaker 4: Please, Okay, this sounds like I should go there because

491
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Speaker 4: I've got answers for that one.

492
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's another one. Yeah, out of the loop.

493
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Speaker 2: You'd probably like because that's another one where people come

494
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Speaker 2: in with like pop culture questions and they're like, I'm sorry,

495
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Speaker 2: who is D four four VB the artist?

496
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Speaker 5: I love this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I feel sad for myself that I missed out on

499
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Speaker 4: Reddit for so many years because I just assumed it

500
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Speaker 4: was like you know what I mean, it's a lazy

501
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 4: punchline of like these losers. So it's like, hmmm, they're

502
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Speaker 4: pretty smart. They want to type out paragraphs like that takes.

503
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty smart.

504
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Speaker 2: Just don't venture anywhere where like you may be the

505
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Speaker 2: topic of conversation that's subreddit specific.

506
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Speaker 1: To Miles's point, not great place to find out about

507
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. If you're just reading from a Donald Trump

508
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Speaker 1: reddit subreddit not a great place to see crime solved

509
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Speaker 1: in real time, but then in absolutely nowhere is good

510
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Speaker 1: at crowdsourcing crime solution.

511
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Speaker 4: Good point, but listen, specific genre of books, that's where

512
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Speaker 4: I'm at. Get to the book places, influencer snark threads,

513
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Speaker 4: you know.

514
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Speaker 2: There there there's like foam Wah, which is like a

515
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Speaker 2: Dumois kind of I don't know, have you seen foam wak? Yeah?

516
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Speaker 4: But you know what, I am so so out on

517
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Speaker 4: Dumois and foam wa because it's like they have made

518
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Speaker 4: every single person into a paparazzi.

519
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Speaker 5: And I don't trust half of these paparazzis, you know.

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Speaker 4: I mean like every time they're like, hey, guess what

521
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Speaker 4: you know Toby Maguire is suing his wife a non please,

522
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Speaker 4: It's like that could be that honestly, could.

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Speaker 5: Be my grandma.

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Speaker 2: Right?

525
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Speaker 5: Have you read Last Weekly ten years ago and it's like,

526
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Speaker 5: guess what I heard?

527
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Speaker 4: Like it's like, you know, we have to I want

528
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Speaker 4: to read the Juice and know it's real, and now

529
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Speaker 4: it's not because it's just some girl being like SoC

530
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Speaker 4: Crystalia without his mask in a coffee.

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Speaker 2: Shop, right, right, right, bo. Also, yeah, Victor in the

532
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Speaker 2: chap brings up going a shower or you know about

533
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Speaker 2: shower oranges. No, please, this where motherfuckers they go into

534
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Speaker 2: a hot shower and just just just cave man bite

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Speaker 2: into an orange.

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Speaker 1: Not necessarily, it's just they're just saying that you should

537
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Speaker 1: eat an orange and in a shower because of the

538
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Speaker 1: accommodation of hot shower and cold orange.

539
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Speaker 2: Like it was caping for shower oranges right now.

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Speaker 5: It was very sexy and was very like just.

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Speaker 2: Because the posts I read on shower oranges, I'm more in, like,

542
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Speaker 2: I'm more interested by the ones where people like, guys,

543
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Speaker 2: I did it. I just I just let my animal

544
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Speaker 2: instincts overcome me. I just bugged it out with this

545
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Speaker 2: orange and the shower and it was beautiful, and they

546
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Speaker 2: see people like, would tangerines work?

547
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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things I like about the

548
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Speaker 1: concept of shower oranges that you can just peel it

549
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Speaker 1: and drop it wherever you want, because you know, shower

550
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Speaker 1: peels are pretty much waterproof, but.

551
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Speaker 4: Then you're leaving them there, okay, but then it was

552
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Speaker 4: just the joy of dropping it just great up later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I gotch I think, yeah, I think it

554
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Speaker 2: appeals to like really messy people because it seems like

555
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Speaker 2: the appeal is get all messy.

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Speaker 1: All right.

557
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'm not I'm not some you know,

558
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Speaker 2: very put together person like that, but I guess it

559
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Speaker 2: doesn't appeal to me, like, yeah, get all gross, but

560
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Speaker 2: the water just watches it away. You know the thing

561
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: you hate about the way you want to eat in

562
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Speaker 2: real life, which is let the food get all over.

563
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Speaker 7: You, like I don't know, maybe all right, so everybody

564
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Speaker 7: just wants to just bite into a watermelon from the

565
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Speaker 7: outside in, stick your head through it, and then just

566
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Speaker 7: like throw the rind everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Right, No, yeah, that's just all right, moving on pool watermelons.

568
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, all right, let's take a quick break,

569
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Speaker 1: and when we come back, we will talk about the

570
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Speaker 1: de sexualization of pop culture. Is it a thing? What

571
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Speaker 1: does it mean? We'll be right back and we're back,

572
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 1: so just a couple things to kick us off. More

573
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: and more we're seeing like these reactions go viral. There

574
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Speaker 1: was one over the weekend where a woman describes the

575
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Speaker 1: movie Oppenheimer and like that her and her husband wanted

576
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Speaker 1: to see Oppenheimer, but they had heard there was a

577
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Speaker 1: sex scene you know. They she looks to be in

578
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Speaker 1: her i'd say like late twenties, early thirties, and it's it's.

579
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Speaker 2: Just a it's wild.

580
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Speaker 1: The way she's talking about the sex scene as if

581
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Speaker 1: it's like a thing we can all agree is like

582
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Speaker 1: traumatic and not something that like anybody wants to watch,

583
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Speaker 1: and like they talk about like how they got through it.

584
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Speaker 1: They did their research, they like looked when it was

585
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Speaker 1: going to happen, and then they like close their eyes

586
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Speaker 1: during it, and this comes. I don't know what her

587
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Speaker 1: deal is, what her husband's deal is, if like, you know,

588
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Speaker 1: this is part of a long running social media presence

589
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: where people know like that they have some past trauma

590
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: as a couple or something like that. So I don't

591
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: want to like dive too much in and be like,

592
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: what a weirdo. She also has like a Jesus fish

593
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: on her wrist, like tattooed on her wrist, so it

594
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: could just be like religious stuff, but like this does

595
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Speaker 1: seem to be. I think the reason it's getting so

596
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: much traction is people are seeing this as a take

597
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: more and more where people are like, finally someone says it,

598
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: like sex scenes are weird. They make me feel gross.

599
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to see them, and it came out

600
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Speaker 1: a lot with Oppenheimer in particular. But Chelsea, I just

601
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Speaker 1: want to open the floor to you on this subject

602
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: of like a step back from horniness as media consumers.

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Speaker 4: Well, first I have to say I haven't been totally

604
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 4: drawn to see Oppenheimer, but after that video, now I

605
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 4: really want to go, Like I found myself being like

606
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Speaker 4: I have to know what this sex scene is, so

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Speaker 4: I don't, you know, I don't know where that puts

608
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Speaker 4: me perspective, But now I want to see the movie.

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Speaker 5: Have you guys seen it? Is it a graphic sex scene?

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Speaker 1: I'd have to know it's not graphic.

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Speaker 2: It's actually like really so if you only have missionary sex, yeah,

612
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: it's straight like the woman. Yeah, that was the most

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Speaker 2: risk thing.

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Speaker 5: And it's it's like nudity, yeah, there's.

615
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: Like yeah, there's there's some nudity. But I actually think,

616
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Speaker 1: like it feels very strange, Like Christopher Nolan has traditionally

617
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Speaker 1: been described as like being somewhat of a sexless filmmaker,

618
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Speaker 1: like he made a movie about people's like going inside

619
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Speaker 1: people's dreams, and no one, no one sucks at all,

620
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Speaker 1: Like nobody like sex doesn't even exist inside these people's dreams.

621
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Speaker 1: Sex doesn't really exist inside most of his movies, I

622
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Speaker 1: would say, other than like the Joker character is kind

623
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Speaker 1: of the most fuckingest character that like he has, and

624
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: like any of his movies in the sense that like

625
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: he is like this kind of creep but like, at

626
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: least there is a sexual energy with the Joker. But anyways,

627
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Speaker 1: this seemed like he was responding to that and being like, oh, yeah,

628
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Speaker 1: I can't do a sex scene, and it just feels

629
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Speaker 1: it is a weird sex scene. The first one is

630
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Speaker 1: really like it feels almost like self parody to me.

631
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I went in with a if

632
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Speaker 1: I went in being like, I'm going to hate this

633
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan sex scene. But I think he's trying to

634
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Speaker 1: fight against the idea that his movies are dead sexually

635
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Speaker 1: and he failed.

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Speaker 5: It sounds like he failed.

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Speaker 2: I think he did.

638
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Speaker 1: But I also I think he's popular, at least partially

639
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Speaker 1: because his movies take place in a sexless universe, and

640
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Speaker 1: I think people want that from their movies, like from

641
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Speaker 1: Blockbuster movies.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's yeah, there's so many one after that description,

643
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 4: no two after that description.

644
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 5: I want to see it even more.

645
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 4: I just have to know, I have to know it's

646
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 4: the only thing that has brought me to this movie.

647
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 4: But yeah, there's so many threads to connect on this,

648
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 4: but kind of the number one thought that comes to

649
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Speaker 4: my mind is something I talked about with my one

650
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Speaker 4: of my best friends, Ashley, who's also a television writer,

651
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 4: which is that prior to this moment in culture, sex

652
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 4: scenes have somewhat always They've always been bad story wise,

653
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 4: so there's never there's almost I'm gonna say Deadpool is

654
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 4: maybe the one exception where like a sex scene actually

655
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Speaker 4: had to be there to move the story forward. But

656
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Speaker 4: usually sex scenes are like a brief intermission where like,

657
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, because the moment they've gotten

658
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 4: to like kissing, we know, okay, so we're there story wise,

659
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 4: So if you're gonna show the full sex like you

660
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 4: just kind of sit in it, and so then it

661
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 4: really is to be a very it's just exists to

662
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 4: be a sexy sex scene, which was way more needed

663
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 4: in previous generations where like that was the only time

664
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Speaker 4: you were going to see a sex scene.

665
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 5: Sexy sex scene.

666
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was wearing like the trench coat and times square. Yeah,

667
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: I was.

668
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: Thinking that like some examples of sex scenes that needed

669
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: to exist and that I think should inspire people to

670
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: like think more creatively about sex scenes. Is like Parasite

671
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: has a really interesting sex scene. Not an American film,

672
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: but it like shows this like really wealthy couple like

673
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: kind of having this weird sexual encounter on the couch

674
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: where they're like fantasizing that they are like part of

675
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: this lower class that they looked down on and suppress.

676
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: And like I thought that was like a good that's

677
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: a good one.

678
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's another going when we were like, oh, there's

679
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 5: like meaning and.

680
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 4: Purpose for yes, But I feel like, yeah, sort of

681
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 4: traditionally and for the most part, sex scenes exist simply

682
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 4: to be sexy and they don't move anything forward, and

683
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 4: almost all of them have been written and directed by

684
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 4: you know, white cis men for a hundred years and so,

685
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 4: which and which I'm bringing up to say, like, I

686
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 4: think if our previous cannon of sex scenes like had

687
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 4: had any sort of other like sexual lens on them,

688
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 4: that could turn a different portion of people on. I

689
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 4: wonder if we'd be having this conversation. But because of that,

690
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 4: people are sort of looking at this as like Oh,

691
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 4: like you can go back and look at what was

692
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 4: I just watching. It was a it was it was

693
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 4: a movie where you're like, oh, it has a lot

694
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 4: of sex scenes and you rewatch them and you're like, oh,

695
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 4: all of them rape scenes, like and you just don't

696
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 4: It was a it was a movie that had let

697
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 4: me look hold on it was Sharon Sharon Stone.

698
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 2: Basic.

699
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 5: I think it was basic instinct.

700
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Speaker 4: And I'm just like blinded by the most famous part

701
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 4: of that movie and too, but I think it is

702
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 4: basic instinct.

703
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 5: But there are other sex scenes in that movie and they're.

704
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 4: Just all rapes and and but they but they're films

705
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: like sex scenes, and so I think this sort of

706
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 4: like pushback to stuff like that is is built on

707
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 4: one hundred years of only one version of sex theme

708
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 4: shown on screen.

709
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like just the other thing. As we

710
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: were like thinking about the Nolan and like, is he

711
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 1: popular because he's like a particular like sex doesn't exist

712
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: in his cinematic universe, and like his sex scene in

713
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: Appenheimer seems like it was directed by somebody who's never

714
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,479
Speaker 1: had sex. Like I was also thinking about Tom Cruise, who,

715
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: like the whole kind of argument against him has always been.

716
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: This guy has like no sexual charisma, like he just

717
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: like you can't really picture him having sex. Really, he's

718
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: like kind of this beautiful creature who doesn't have any

719
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: like you can't really picture him. And like the other

720
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: sex scene that made me identify other than the Appenheimer one,

721
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: the one that made me identify with all the people

722
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: who are like, please stop, was the fucking Top Gun

723
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: too sex scene where it's like, uhh yeah, it's just

724
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: so weird. Like all of a sudden, the movie starts

725
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: to feel like it's an ad for a retirement home.

726
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: Like not that they're like that old, but the vibe

727
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: of it is just like this, like it like feels

728
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: like a like Viagra commercial, like.

729
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 5: Totally because also it's just like dead.

730
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: And remote and like takes place in heaven or something.

731
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 2: It's really weird.

732
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 4: And the the you know, the first hop Gun, the

733
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 4: most sexual scene in that movie is a abs at

734
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 4: the beach playing volleyball and they crush it.

735
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, you're was like.

736
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 4: And then in the second movie they did it again

737
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 4: and I don't know if you noticed, but they had

738
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 4: to shoot Tom Cruise like profile and silhouette shirtless like

739
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 4: it was a very like long lens technically shirtless on

740
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 4: the beach, but we're really going to focus on on miles,

741
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 4: you know.

742
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: What I mean.

743
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: Games they're super high for no reason. This is just

744
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: how people wear their jeans now yea yeah, But.

745
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 4: But they crushed it in that beach scene too, and

746
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 4: where it's like no one's no one is I don't

747
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 4: feel like, yeah, I feel like on the most part,

748
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 4: it's like we can take sexy abs at the beach,

749
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 4: but like actual sexual intercourse, like I don't even know,

750
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 4: like don't film it. It does feel like very uncomfortable,

751
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 4: which yeah, I have to say that when you brought

752
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 4: up this topic because personally, I feel like this is

753
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 4: when it goes into gen Z. I'm sort of out

754
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 4: on all the like gen Z is not having sex.

755
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 4: It's like they were in a pandemic during the years

756
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 4: when you learn how to put your mouth on someone

757
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 4: else's face, so you know what I mean, So like

758
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 4: you where there's gonna be a lag and like I

759
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 4: you know, I'm not believing all of these the so

760
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 4: called data of like they don't believe in sexy or

761
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 4: I don't think that's it. But what I do think

762
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 4: is true is that there's been a lot of sexual education,

763
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 4: but not that second step into the nuance of sexual education.

764
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 4: So like things feel very cut and dry, to the

765
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 4: point that in the television show Swarm, which Chloe Bailey

766
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 4: was in, I don't know if you guys saw that,

767
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 4: but it has a very very graphic sex scene in

768
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 4: the pilot, and a bunch of people online truly believed

769
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 4: they were having sex. So they wrote into the television

770
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 4: show accounts and on TikTok to be like, why did

771
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 4: they make Chloe Bailey have sex and seem to have

772
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 4: no understanding of.

773
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Speaker 1: The art of television.

774
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, pantomime, Yes, like pantomime set you guys, they're not

775
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 4: it's not happening. There's like, you know, protect sheer protection

776
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 4: cups over their parts. But that's where I'm like, this

777
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 4: is a nuanced understanding, mental alacrity, how to live in

778
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 4: the real world issue and less of like what is

779
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 4: like we don't like sex anymore issue.

780
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Speaker 2: Because there's like a few ways to look because I

781
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 2: think of like erotic thrillers, right, And it was like

782
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: the eighties, we were you know, the conservatives. Conservatism of

783
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 2: the eighties sort of like helped build up the pressure

784
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: for like in the mid eighties for these films to

785
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: start propping up, like you know, coming up and people like, oh,

786
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 2: actually fuck with this. By the nineties were so horny

787
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: and dumb. Yeah, these are our greatest to movies. And

788
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: I think like there's an uptake for like a few

789
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 2: reasons after, Like it's just kind of as we were

790
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: talking about this and just like researching the topic and

791
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: everything is like one really interesting thing is you point

792
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 2: out is like a lot of those erotic thrillers have

793
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: like sex can be dangerous, but also these women are

794
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: crazy and will kill you. Yeah, And I think part

795
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: of that is like the AIDS epidemic was already making

796
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: people question the quote unquote dangers of sex or how

797
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: sex could lead to like your eventual death right. And

798
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: then there's also like this sort of evolution of sexual

799
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: agency where like, again to your point about these like

800
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 2: male writers and directors, like it almost feels like for them,

801
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 2: they're getting out their anxieties over like an evolving new

802
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: form of sexual politics coming out, and like what does

803
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: that mean for dudes? Like are they just gonna fucking

804
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 2: kill us?

805
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

806
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, what what sexually turns them on, you know

807
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 4: what I mean. It's like it's like one dude's fantasy,

808
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 4: Like she says, no, what she means, yes, I said

809
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 4: one to I meant hundreds of millions stitutes, but who

810
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 4: made all the art? But it's like, had had there

811
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 4: been like to take this to the to the porn conversation,

812
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 4: like like it is so hard to find porn that

813
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 4: that that I personally like, I know this is TMI,

814
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 4: but it's more of like a female thing like and

815
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 4: I'm talking about like I don't like when the house

816
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 4: is dirty.

817
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 5: And I'm not talking about like I like it clean.

818
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 4: It's just like if there's like a super dirty mattress,

819
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 4: it's just so distracting it like or like put a sheet.

820
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 5: On it, you guys, like what is it?

821
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 4: And it's just like the actual ambiance and the actual atmosphere.

822
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 5: And it's like stuff like that isn't thought through.

823
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 4: And I feel like if our history of sex on

824
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 4: TV and film had included other people perspectives of point

825
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 4: of views of what turned them.

826
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Speaker 5: On, yeah, yeah, there wasn't such a backlash.

827
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 2: Right now, I.

828
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: Don't mind a backlash against sex scenes that aren't doing

829
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: anything interesting or like same, yeah, like like the Oppenheimer's

830
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: sex scene, like the or uh not mission, the Top

831
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: Gun two sex scene, Like I'm fine with people lashing

832
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: back against that because it's not doing anything. I just

833
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: don't want people to not feel like they can express

834
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: that part of the human experience because like there's something

835
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: bad about inherently bad about sex scenes as opposed to

836
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: like there being something that is inherently bad about how

837
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: sex scenes and sexual like energy was expressed in film

838
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: up to this point.

839
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 5: That's really well said.

840
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah there's I mean like there's other dimensions too, like

841
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: when you look at it, like I'm also like where

842
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 2: does capitalism factor into this too? Because you know, like

843
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: there was an analysis of like from just like around

844
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: two thousand, like post nine, like right after nine to

845
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: eleven to like two thousand and six, like all these

846
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: films and like seeing that sex or nudity like was

847
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: not like a like a revenue booster for films at all,

848
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 2: Like it really did nothing, like didn't move the needle

849
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 2: at all. And then you think about like you know,

850
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: I guess eyes, why shut It's just like our sort

851
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: of lasser prestige eerotic thriller. And that's two thousand and

852
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: there are a couple you know, trickling out after that,

853
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: but then you have like Lord of the Rings and

854
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: Harry Potter come out, and then the studios are saying like,

855
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: oh man, these like broad fucking movies, like we can

856
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 2: just start like these are just money printing things, and

857
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: like maybe we just need to go all in on

858
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: this shit too. So I know there's like a dimension

859
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: of that. But then I also think of like the

860
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 2: taboo element too, which is like to your point, even Chelsea,

861
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: of like you know, in the eighties and nineties, like

862
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 2: this was like a date night thing where like you go.

863
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 8: Like, I don't know, like there's some sexy shit going

864
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 8: on up there, and we don't have to feel bad, yeah,

865
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 8: because there's no online porn where we can just kind

866
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 8: of like blow the doors open on everything we desire,

867
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 8: So it fills that sort of need.

868
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: But then there's also like the taboo where, like I remember,

869
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 2: as like a ten year old middle schooler, you would

870
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: talk about these movies, not even because they were worked,

871
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: like it's like a good movie. You'd be like did

872
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: you see it? Did your parents let you?

873
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 5: Minute and thirty seconds in on the VHF exactly.

874
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: And become a man. Yeah, you will. You will know

875
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: what it looks like if you go to that scene,

876
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 2: like what. And so I feel like for my generation too,

877
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: like we were like somewhat educating ourselves in this really

878
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: bizarre way with these films. But then also I think we,

879
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: like the nineties were so hyper sexual, Like I feel

880
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 2: like it also burned us out to the point where

881
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: now you're looking for something a little more nuanced rather

882
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: than like, well, when's the part where they're going to

883
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: show a topless woman in the movie.

884
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 4: Totally And also I think it's sort of that thing

885
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 4: we're talking about, which is like it's just a call

886
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 4: for better art. And also I think there is a

887
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 4: call for better porn, like consensual porn, porn being but

888
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 4: like I think there's just a call for like being

889
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 4: better because we did get educated and now with the Internet,

890
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 4: this generation is like the most educated. I mean, I

891
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 4: was just thinking about how Harvey Weinstein, you know, maker

892
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 4: of many many Mirramax films made free to Callow, which

893
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 4: was this you know, supposed supposed to be prestige filmed

894
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 4: with Ama And there's this famous story where he's like,

895
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 4: you need to do a full frontal naked a lesbian

896
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 4: scene in the Free to Colo movie or I'm not

897
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 4: gonna make it, and Salma thinks to herself, like, I

898
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 4: really think the story about this woman is important, So

899
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 4: I guess I'm gonna do this sort of softcore porn

900
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 4: scene that makes absolutely no fucking sense again because people

901
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 4: like Harvey Weinstein were in charge, and I feel like

902
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 4: it's more of a pushback to that, or even going

903
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 4: to Swarm, where they think, like, you know, this sex

904
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 4: scene is kind of really glorifying the male character, and

905
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 4: Chloe Bailey's character isn't It's a very like male sex

906
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 4: scene again, and they're sort of like, what about her consent?

907
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 5: Why does she have to be used like this?

908
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 4: Granted I don't think they're understanding it's fake, but that

909
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 4: sort of nuance of like this.

910
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 5: Is so silly.

911
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 4: But it's like they've been taught about consent and me

912
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 4: too and assault and being better, but also not how

913
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 4: to still be sexy or how to still like go

914
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 4: forward with it, and so it probably does feel like

915
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 4: a very like just don't do that type of situation.

916
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: Or that it could be a statement. I actually haven't

917
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: seen Swarm, but like swarm, but like it could be

918
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: a statement about like, you know, every film character is

919
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: not meant to be a model of virtue, right, Like

920
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: sometimes you're showing bad people doing bad things or like

921
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: and the like that. I feel like that becomes a

922
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: problem when you're not allowed to do that without being

923
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: seen as like approving of the behavior that you're depicting

924
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: in the movie.

925
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: Right yeah.

926
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 4: And I feel like I've seen that a lot too,

927
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 4: which kind of goes again to like the nuance and

928
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 4: art and how like that has sort of that conversation

929
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 4: I feel like has gotten so stilted in places like TikTok,

930
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 4: whereas in other forums.

931
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 5: It's still alive. R.

932
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take a quick break, real quick, and we'll

933
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: come back and keep talking about this.

934
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.

935
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: And we're back, and Miles, I think you're about to

936
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: ask school.

937
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: Oh just yeah. I mean, like, you know, the other

938
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: thing is like we just kind of the evolution. I

939
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: just think of like where I got my sexy imagery

940
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: as someone born in the eighties, like through you know,

941
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 2: like coming of age and then like late nineties ats

942
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: and things like that, and it feels like at a

943
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 2: certain point like it was like, oh, a Van Damn

944
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: movie is gonna have movies in it, Like that was

945
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 2: a shorthand in my mind, like you you were like

946
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: conditioned to know like certain directors, actors, whatever, like there

947
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: would be that sort of thing and then you But

948
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: but then like a lot of the sex or sexual

949
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: content just really kind of shifted to like our popular culture,

950
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: like it didn't have to live in these sort of

951
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 2: movies like basic what about basic instinct kind of thing.

952
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: It's like, it's in my music videos, it's in the advertisements,

953
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: it's on cable TV at night. So it's almost like

954
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's like also, again, this sort

955
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 2: of diversification of where that sort of content lived to

956
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: the points at it totally omni sexual, like everywhere was sex.

957
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: So that also feels like another point where that I

958
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 2: guess the appeal of it only getting it directly from

959
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: film begins to wane a bit.

960
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, And also like if you're like, Okay, check out

961
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 4: this Van dam sexy scene, or I can go to

962
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 4: my OnlyFans of a real person who is alive who's

963
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 4: doing my niche fetish and will look into the eyes

964
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 4: of the camera and say my name right, Yeah, what

965
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, So when you go back

966
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 4: to a VANDAM movie, you're like.

967
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,959
Speaker 5: Boring, sid move it along.

968
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 4: Like yeah, I was just thinking of remember when Seth

969
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 4: MacFarlane did that Oscar song called boobs and yeah the

970
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 4: movies you can see boobs in And that was twenty

971
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 4: thirteen and the response.

972
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 5: Was like yawn like on like yeah, that's.

973
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 4: All you're in it for, and it's like shitty to

974
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 4: treat women that way. And it's like I'm still I'm

975
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 4: still here for a song, Like I still need to

976
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 4: get to a place where like Seth McFarland can sing

977
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 4: a song about full frontal dick and he's got thirty

978
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 4: movies to reference, Like I think I've got one, you know, Yeah, we're.

979
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: There, Harvey Kaitel, Yeah, yeah, I mean so I do

980
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: still think it's interesting. So like the Weles you were

981
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: talking about, like they made it, did an analysis in

982
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: the early two thousands and found that, like nudity was

983
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 1: not something that drove money making, And I think rather

984
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: than just that being always true, I think that's probably

985
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: an indicator of like changing tastes in like filmgoers, and

986
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: like the whole thesis that I have about movies is like, yes,

987
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: they're like commercial ventures, but they people pay money to

988
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 1: go see them because they are getting to see something

989
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: that is happening that they can't really access inside them

990
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: up on the screen, right, And so like that's why

991
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that like early two thousands, like

992
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: as the country was becoming like explicitly fascist in the

993
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: like War on Terror, and you know that that was

994
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: a time when suddenly people were like, yeah, yeah, we don't,

995
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: we don't want to see this shit. And I agree,

996
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: like it definitely has to do with like that there

997
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: became there like suddenly there were better places to get that.

998
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: But I also I don't know, like there it does

999
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: feel like they're one of these articles from I think

1000
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: slash Film was saying that it it's there's been like

1001
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: sort of an internalization of the PG thirteen rating when

1002
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: it comes to like our movies, where that's just kind

1003
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: of what people expect from movies. And I do think

1004
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: that there's like I think that happened because corporations came

1005
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: through and like overtook everything, you know, like that the

1006
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: big example that this blood Knife article uses the bloo

1007
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: Knife article that we'll link off to on the footnotes

1008
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: is called Everyone's beautiful and Nobody's horny or something to

1009
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: that effect. And it's about like superhero movies where everybody

1010
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: you know is just trained within just like an inch

1011
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,479
Speaker 1: of like perfection, just like and that does that goes

1012
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: forward the superhero. It also goes for like the FBI

1013
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: agent and the background character and you know, like that

1014
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: that's just how everybody is supposed to look perfect. But

1015
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: then our favorite filmmakers, this guy whose movies take place

1016
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: in a world where like dreams don't have sex in them.

1017
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 1: And I think that there is something to the idea

1018
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: that like so fascist art, like when you look at

1019
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: like what was popular in Nazi Germany, like the films

1020
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 1: of Lenny reechinstall with like these documentaries where they would

1021
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: like glorify the human body and particularly the male body

1022
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: and like its strength and muscles. But like completely it

1023
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: was all about power dynamics, right, it was nothing about sex,

1024
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: and in fact, like sex was like to be completely

1025
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: removed from the equation. And I feel like there is

1026
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: like we obviously those movies also had like Hitler and

1027
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: it was like and all of the sexual energy is

1028
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: to be like sublimated to your religious fealty to the

1029
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: furor and like that horny for Hitler only, horny for

1030
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 1: Hitler only. And now it feels like it is done

1031
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: to sublimate to like the broader just kind of ideals

1032
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: of capitalism, and like the the fact that there's like

1033
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 1: an internal understanding of like, yeah, why would they put

1034
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: like Iron Man fucking in this movie? Like it wouldn't

1035
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: make as much money. And I root for this movie

1036
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: because like that's that's my team is Marvel and so like,

1037
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: and Marvel is winning against DC, and so I don't know,

1038
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. I don't think it is like

1039
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a telltale symptom that like America

1040
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: is headed towards some sort of fascism with like a

1041
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: central fascist leader. But I do think it says something

1042
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: interesting about our relationship to this all consuming like capitalistic

1043
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: ideal where it's like, yeah, no, we just take the

1044
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: sex out of everything, because like that is not actually

1045
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: making money for the thing that we want to see

1046
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: make money. And we're all on board with that, not

1047
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: just David Zaslov, like we're all on board with that,

1048
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: because it doesn't like you can just get my sexual

1049
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: content elsewhere.

1050
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna push back on it.

1051
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, having written in late night comedy for I can't

1052
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 4: now I'm trying to do the math. I don't know,

1053
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 4: but I feel like the like, are we turning fascist

1054
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 4: think pieces like make the Rounds every three years?

1055
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?

1056
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 5: And it's like are we are?

1057
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 4: We? Are we to the point where like it's not

1058
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 4: even gonna matter because the term fascist now I mean

1059
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 4: something different to everyone. It's lost all meaning like we're

1060
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 4: never gonna know you know what I mean, It's gonna

1061
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 4: be here and no one will have any understanding on it.

1062
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 4: But taking this back to where we started, the Bachelor,

1063
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 4: I will bring us into my main basis for this argument,

1064
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 4: which is that The Bachelor is dying a slow death.

1065
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 5: It's definitely slow, but it's just every season it's dying.

1066
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 5: It's dining simeon.

1067
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 4: And this last year we got reality shows about dating

1068
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 4: like Love is Blind, like The Ultimatum, Queer Love, which

1069
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 4: is Milf Manner one of the best shows I've ever watched,

1070
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 4: would you.

1071
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 2: Say, Miles, I said, Milf Manner.

1072
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 5: Milf Manner. I did watch every episode, Yes I did.

1073
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 4: And that's actually a great one to reference because in

1074
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 4: the ultimatum Queer Love, they've got cameras on and you,

1075
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 4: I mean, you're watching porn for a second, and you're

1076
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 4: watching porn if someone you've intimately gotten to know like

1077
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 4: all their relationship issues. And that show was wildly popular,

1078
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 4: and on TikTok the discourse about queer love stories and

1079
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 4: like there was an entire storyline of like, you fingered

1080
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 4: the woman I'm in love with and where's your fingers go?

1081
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 4: When did they start? And how did it happen? Is

1082
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 4: that considered sex? And then there's a conversation of like, everyone,

1083
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Is that penetrative sex or not?

1084
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 4: Do we count that as sex? What is the consent

1085
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 4: needed for finger sex versus other sex? And you're life

1086
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 4: and TikTok is like going nuts and loving this conversation.

1087
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 4: And everyone is loving that show. And I think it's

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00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 4: because it was It was showing sex in the way

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00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 4: that we understand and want to see it now, which

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00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 4: is like real authentic. It's not through this like very

1091
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 4: singular patriarchal lens. Even on like Love Islands, they live

1092
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 4: in bikinis. They live in bikinis and they switch partners

1093
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 4: every other day for fifty episodes every season, and it's

1094
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 4: crushing it. Like love is blind, you know, they talk

1095
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 4: about are they having sex?

1096
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 5: Are they not?

1097
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, the Bachelor, which is a very sterile show, which

1098
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 4: would fit this sort of like fascist thing where it's

1099
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 4: like overnight sweet, like the door closes and like who

1100
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 4: knows is dying a death.

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00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 5: And popularity and so interesting.

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00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 4: If we look to reality TV, I would say we

1103
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 4: are still very much here for sex, but we're no

1104
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 4: longer here for it in the ways that are harmful.

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00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, like it's it doesn't feel good.

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00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 4: And then if sex scene is to like make you

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00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 4: feel sexy, you don't want to feel bad while you're

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00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 4: watching it.

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Speaker 2: Yeaheah.

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Speaker 1: So maybe my ultimate plea is like that movies do

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00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: something interesting with their sex scenes because that's what people want.

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00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: And it's not that people are necessarily fascist, yo, that

1113
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: they just want something interesting and not like the traditional

1114
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: eighties movie sexy.

1115
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. To Chelsea's point, like again, I was raised on

1116
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 2: the Buck Wild movie sex scenes, you know what I mean.

1117
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: And then then you know, the Internet kind of was

1118
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: like I was like, Okay, I think I know what

1119
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 2: I like and to the point to Nuance Like, now

1120
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, how come they not kissing in this porno?

1121
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, nah, now I'm off this, Like y'all need

1122
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 2: to be making out as shit, like I need to,

1123
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 2: like I want to see y'all be passionate, right or

1124
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 2: y'all like in Bridgerton. I just started watching The Second Sea.

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00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: There's like one moment where this one character she just

1126
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 2: says she said, mister Bridgerton, and they just have like

1127
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 2: a look at each other, and I was like, oh shit,

1128
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 2: like and then you say shit, except like there was

1129
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 2: just a very tense moment and the release was just

1130
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 2: saying it and they shared a look and I was

1131
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: even like, damn, that was all right, Like yeah.

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00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 4: We're like you're just like doing it well, you know,

1133
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 4: like that was hot and I didn't need to just

1134
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 4: see you coldly simulate motions.

1135
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 2: Right right exactly like making the back of the beast

1136
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: with two backs as it were. And I think, yeah,

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00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 2: we're I think because we've moved on from just being

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00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 2: like will they show sex?

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00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 6: They do yes, And then once everyone now this is

1140
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 6: I do want to say this is a direct attack

1141
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,240
Speaker 6: on me, because that is a direct quote from something

1142
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 6: I said earlier before we started rowling.

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00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: So I didn't do the fist pump though, like I

1144
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,479
Speaker 2: didn't do the double fist pump, yes, but like yeah

1145
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: that now we're so like, you know, it's like when

1146
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 2: you like you're you get introduced to a new cuisine

1147
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 2: in the beginning, anything will do, and then as you

1148
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 2: formulate tastes, you're like, no, actually, I'm like, it's not

1149
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 2: just about having you know, steak or whatever or whatever.

1150
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 2: You know, you just you begin to actually understand what

1151
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: it is that is appealing to you. And I think, ye, yeah,

1152
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 2: I think it's like it's just sort of simultaneous cultural

1153
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 2: evolution along with the amount of things we've been exposed

1154
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: to that kind of puts us in this different place.

1155
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 4: And I think it's the problem with art meeting capitalism

1156
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 4: right now, especially like we're in the writer strike and

1157
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 4: the whole like you Go Woke, you Go Broke movement,

1158
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 4: which is that like people come in and try and

1159
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 4: quantify it and do the data and the statistics and

1160
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 4: what's selling when what's not selling and actually this is

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00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 4: in and that is en blah bah blah.

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00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 5: But like the thesis is good.

1163
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 4: We would love a good movie we would love a

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00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 4: good movie, and the moment we get a good movie,

1165
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 4: they go, oh, do that again?

1166
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: Do that again?

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00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 4: Or like, you know, network television was dead, then abbot

1168
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 4: element comes up?

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00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: Right, it was?

1170
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 5: It was good, right, Everyone goes.

1171
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 4: Workplace comedies, right, workplace comedies, and you're like, oh, okay,

1172
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 4: so that's nuts.

1173
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 5: That was not the only thing that made that show good,

1174
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 5: you know.

1175
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 4: And I just feel like people want really great art

1176
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 4: and every time it shows up, they're gonna love it,

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00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 4: and every time it's shitty, they're gonna hate it.

1178
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 5: And then people are gonna drain it down into headline.

1179
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 4: Pieces of what could sell more or less, and they're

1180
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 4: gonna miss the point, which is that if it's good,

1181
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 4: it sells, and if it's bad, it does not.

1182
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's right.

1183
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: Well, Chelsea, such a pleasure having you.

1184
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 5: Thank you.

1185
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: I knew I would learn a lot. I did learn

1186
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: a lot.

1187
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 4: Were you guys horny the whole episode? I just need

1188
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 4: to know, like, you know, was it a horny episode

1189
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 4: for you guys?

1190
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: I was quaking. I mean you could see that I

1191
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: was quaking.

1192
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I feel that for Justin, he's gonna have

1193
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 2: to cut out all that.

1194
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was an edge lord the whole time, So.

1195
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 2: Shout out the goon everybody gooning out there. Yeah, it

1196
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 2: was all I was all sax music in the background, playing.

1197
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: Where can people find You?

1198
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: Follow you?

1199
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: All that good stuff.

1200
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh. Please come listen to my podcast.

1201
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,439
Speaker 4: It's called Celebrity Book Club with Chelsea Davantes, but it's

1202
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 4: so much more you guys. We discuss female celebrity memoirs.

1203
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 4: We also do some pop culture stuff. I inspired by

1204
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 4: you guys. I did an entire Bachelor episode talking about

1205
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 4: politics and where we're at now, and someone pointed out

1206
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 4: to me that in our Republican years is when we

1207
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 4: had our worst bachelors too.

1208
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 5: It's, you know, the method. Still I am.

1209
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 4: I am our data scientists on elections and so anyway,

1210
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 4: come listen there. And I'm on Instagram at Chelsea Devantes,

1211
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 4: and I do like I post things from books and

1212
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 4: stuff and have conversations over there.

1213
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Is it Wait, so that the thesis is that

1214
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: when the bachelor is bad, we elect Republicans.

1215
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 4: No, No, it's when we have Republicans in office. It's

1216
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 4: also cultural times where we are enjoying shittier bachelors who

1217
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 4: break the rules and are only out for themselves and ourselves. Okay, shit,

1218
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 4: but they're so entertaining. So like Pete's the pilots, you know,

1219
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 4: like if you just look at our Trump Bachelor's, they're

1220
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 4: the worst of all time and they're very selfish dudes.

1221
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, So maybe that's due to casting on the

1222
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: part of the producers of The Bachelor.

1223
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 4: Well yeah, and I think thinking of like like where

1224
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 4: we're at, Like Ari, You guys remember Ari as a bachelor.

1225
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 4: They brought him back and he like does the old

1226
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 4: switcher roo at the end. You guys are nodding, but

1227
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 4: you have no idea what I'm talking about.

1228
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 2: Before I remember because Anna no, Anna would regularly play

1229
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: because what's Ari's last name? It's like Louis. It's like a,

1230
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 2: oh is that one.

1231
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 5: Ari gray hair? Race car drivers?

1232
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, the race car driver guy. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yes,

1233
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 2: I'm savvy. I'm savvy. Yeah.

1234
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 4: Colton, who was like in the Closet, did an entire

1235
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 4: season as a fully gay man, choosing one woman.

1236
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 5: He then stalks her.

1237
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 4: She has to take out her string order on him,

1238
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 4: and then he's like I've been gay the whole time,

1239
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 4: Like wow, this is where we were at in the

1240
01:00:59,320 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 4: Trump years?

1241
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 2: Right, amazing, Hey do we get our first black bachelor

1242
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 2: and the Trump play heard it too?

1243
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 5: Right, Yes we did.

1244
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 4: And that's also when we got our racial Reckoning season

1245
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 4: where they brought in one black guy to host the

1246
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 4: reunion and then guess what he left never has never

1247
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 4: been heard from again. They brought him in for the

1248
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 4: Racial Reckoning then sent them away. Anyways, what was I saying?

1249
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: Follow me on Instagram actually get more takes like that?

1250
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: Is there a work of media you've been enjoying?

1251
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh so much.

1252
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 4: You know what, let's just give a shout out to

1253
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 4: milf manor it is not what you think it is.

1254
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 4: What it is because it starts and they're like, you're

1255
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 4: gonna be dating young men, and they're like, that's tight.

1256
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 4: And then the gate opens and it's all of their sons. Yeah, okay,

1257
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 4: so it's all of their sons. And then they're like,

1258
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 4: and you're going to share a room with your son,

1259
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 4: but you're gonna date the other sons of these other

1260
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 4: ladies here, and you're like, this is maniacal. And by

1261
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 4: the end of the episode, they've all like they're all

1262
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 4: just kind of like teaching their sons about like how

1263
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 4: to put a condom on a banana.

1264
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 2: Oh wow. It's also one of the worst made reality

1265
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 2: shows I've ever seen, Like there's no host, Like it

1266
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 2: feels like Lord of the Flies with like weird incestuous

1267
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 2: prompts that they have to do.

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01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, they send them a text message like read this laud.

1269
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 4: They're like, all right, I guess we're gonna go to

1270
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 4: commercial break now and then we come back. We're gonna

1271
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 4: put on Blindfeld's. We're gonna feel up our sons. We're

1272
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,439
Speaker 4: trying to choose which one is my son?

1273
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 2: Oh, this is definitely him.

1274
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 5: Oh this is my son. This is my boy.

1275
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 2: There's some moments where I'm like, they've destroyed my mind completely,

1276
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 2: like in ways that I did not I did not expect.

1277
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 2: And I think I'm know because the depravity or whoever

1278
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 2: was behind anyway, it's out there.

1279
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: This this episode has been the greatest add for trash

1280
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: reality television maybe ever goods I'm about. I guess we

1281
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: should ask the question like if Germany had access to

1282
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: trash television, like is the whole Third Reich avoided?

1283
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 2: Maybe, well, we'll trash television save us or bring us

1284
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 2: our next president.

1285
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: That's right, Miles, where can people find you as their

1286
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: working media?

1287
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 2: You've been enjoying at Miles of Gray, where they got

1288
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: at symbols. Find Jack and Iron a basketball podcast Miles

1289
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 2: and Jack got mad boosties. If you like trash realities,

1290
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,919
Speaker 2: guess what. Check Sophia Alexander out on four to twenty

1291
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 2: Day Fiance where we talk about ninety day fiance, which

1292
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 2: is also pretty garbage. And then if you like some

1293
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,439
Speaker 2: true crime, you can still catch me on The Good

1294
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 2: Thief talking about the Greek robin hood and all that.

1295
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 2: I don't have a piece of media, but I've been

1296
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 2: watching the newest season of how To with John Wilson,

1297
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 2: and there was a couple of moments where I've been

1298
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 2: like wow, wow, wow wow wow. Anyway, it's it's always

1299
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 2: an interesting show. So maybe check that out, all right.

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Speaker 1: Tweet I've been enjoying is actually Ben Rosen at Ben Underscore.

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Speaker 1: Roseen tweeted John Wilson narrating the Zapruder film. So you

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Speaker 1: decide to go for a drive, but not everyone thinks

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Speaker 1: that's a good idea.

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Speaker 2: Wow, dude, the delivery.

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Speaker 1: On that, and Pat Tobin retweeted an image so I

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Speaker 1: don't know who made this, but I think about it

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Speaker 1: a lot, and it's a side by side the sky

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Speaker 1: and scenic locations. It's just a blue sky the sky

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Speaker 1: at grocery stores and it's like this gorgeous, dramatic cloud

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Speaker 1: sunset which just resident like totally rang true to me.

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Speaker 1: I've seen some of the greatest skies of my life

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Speaker 1: doing the most boring, like mundane shit in my life

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Speaker 1: and then you like go on vacation to someplace and

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Speaker 1: it's just blue skies. So anyway, fuck blue skys, is

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Wow, the shout out to grocery stores.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore Obrien.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at daily Zeitgeist, where

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Speaker 1: at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram, we have a Facebook

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Speaker 1: fan page and a website daily zekeeist dot com, where

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Speaker 1: we post our episodes and our footnote we link off

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Speaker 1: to the information that we talked about in today's episode,

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Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy,

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Speaker 1: Miles LIS's song do you think people might just.

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Speaker 2: You know, something nice get us into the week. This

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Speaker 2: is George ben j O R G E D E N.

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Speaker 2: And this track is called Dominga's It's so dope. George

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Speaker 2: Benn is one of my favorite Brazilian artists. I'll never

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Speaker 2: I'll keep saying that every time someone asks me that,

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Speaker 2: and his singing's fantastic, Like the beginning has like a

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Speaker 2: really dope you know, like I feel like if I

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Speaker 2: was sampling, i'd sample that first maybe twenty seconds. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: Dominga's by George Benn.

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Speaker 1: All right, we will look off to that in the footnotes.

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Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us this morning, back this

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Speaker 1: afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we will

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Speaker 1: talk to y'all that bite, say horny