WEBVTT - Florida’s Groyper Candidate for Governor

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<v Speaker 1>Col Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis, joined

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<v Speaker 2>by James Stout.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, I get what are we What are we learning about? Today?

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<v Speaker 2>We are going to be learning about a man named

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<v Speaker 2>James Fishback.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, good first name.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I've wanted to get someone kind of unbiased,

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<v Speaker 2>but I now understand unfortunately that you might be might

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<v Speaker 2>be just kind of, you know, drawn drawn to him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I've come here to defend the James name.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that defense will last very long. I okay.

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<v Speaker 2>James Fishback is a former hedge fun analyst who's been

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<v Speaker 2>worming his way into the political world of the new

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<v Speaker 2>Right during the past two to three years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm giving up on that one. Already. Got no

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<v Speaker 3>interest in defending this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're active on you know, any kind of political feeds,

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<v Speaker 2>whether that's you know, short short form video, blue sky, Twitter,

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<v Speaker 2>you've probably seen a video or two of James Fishback.

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<v Speaker 2>But this episode, we're gonna dive a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>into his background at his current political activities, which includes

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<v Speaker 2>some things you probably haven't heard before. So James Fishback

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<v Speaker 2>has tried to attach himself to a lot of you

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<v Speaker 2>know various aspects of the new right. He attempted to

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<v Speaker 2>attach himself to the presidential campaign of a Vek Ramaswami

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<v Speaker 2>back in the uldie days.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah remember when.

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<v Speaker 2>But he did so just by like showing up at

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<v Speaker 2>campaign staff events. He wasn't a staffer, like, he just

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<v Speaker 2>kept like appearing. He asked, like, stay overnight at a

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<v Speaker 2>hotel that this staff was all staying at for this

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<v Speaker 2>campaign event in Florida, and tried to build a personal

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<v Speaker 2>rapport with the VEC over a few months, and eventually

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<v Speaker 2>Fishback outstayed is welcome. He then pivoted to becoming what

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<v Speaker 2>I would call a D tier right wing comic and

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<v Speaker 2>an advocate of Doge. In twenty twenty five, Fishback was

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<v Speaker 2>a frequent guest on like news networks CNN, Fox and others,

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<v Speaker 2>speaking as a quote unquote Doge advisor. Huh, a role

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<v Speaker 2>that he never officially had great never actually worked with Doge.

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<v Speaker 2>His quote unquote advising was through adding Elon Musk on

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter with random suggestions.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just at least literally in their comments online.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, his Doge claim to fame is that he

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<v Speaker 2>came up with this idea of the Doge dividend, which

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<v Speaker 2>is like a stimulus type check that the government would

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<v Speaker 2>send to people based on the savings that they found

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<v Speaker 2>or created through slashing government agencies.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was his idea that he added Elon Musk about,

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<v Speaker 2>and this idea gained some traction and this this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of boosted his image as a quote unquote Doge advisor

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<v Speaker 2>and helped him trick news agencies into boosting his public

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<v Speaker 2>profile by associating him with Doge. Eventually, this led to

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<v Speaker 2>Doge official Katie Miller, wife of Steven Miller, having to

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<v Speaker 2>clarify in July of twenty twenty five that Fishback was

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<v Speaker 2>not involved with Doge in any way, but he got

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of traction off of this Doge advisor thing

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<v Speaker 2>right back when Ramaswami left Doge.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it's forgotten that he did. Wow, how time flies.

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<v Speaker 2>Before the inauguration, because he was planning on and is

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<v Speaker 2>planning on running for governor of Ohio, Fishback tried to

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<v Speaker 2>put his name in as like a hey, all become

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<v Speaker 2>the co chair of dog elon since my pal Ramaswami

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be busy. That also, you know, did

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<v Speaker 2>not did not work obviously.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what needy guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just very very needy, very clingy, yeah, paid, very parasocial. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And after Katie Miller released a statement being like this

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<v Speaker 2>guy's not part of dog, Fishback began lobbying Trump for

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<v Speaker 2>the vacant seat on the Federal Reserve Board of Governors.

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<v Speaker 3>Really no shame.

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<v Speaker 2>Based on his you know, credentials as this like patriotic

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<v Speaker 2>America first investor right, who's worked at a hedge fund

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<v Speaker 2>or two and tried tried to get his way onto

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<v Speaker 2>the SPACAN seat. When that didn't turn out, obviously, Fishback

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<v Speaker 2>set his sights on his home state of Florida, launching

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<v Speaker 2>what I would call a groiper style campaign for governor cool.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is what we're going to be discussing for

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<v Speaker 4>the rest of this episode.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not like intimately familiar with the grouper space, but

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<v Speaker 3>this seems to be like the most kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>Beata behavior to constantly like notice me, uh, I forget

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<v Speaker 3>what that's a wedd that begins.

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<v Speaker 4>With sick me?

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<v Speaker 3>No, yeah, it could be pick me. I guess it's

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<v Speaker 3>like a notice met sempi or something that people say.

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<v Speaker 4>I never expected you to say noticed me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've unfortunately I've been on the internet too, Like

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<v Speaker 3>that's what he seems, right, he seems like extremely uh yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>this is like I think what will be coded as

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<v Speaker 3>like beata behavior in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and now he's kind of trying to do this

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<v Speaker 2>with when Tesen the Gropers, although to this point more successfully. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>he's actually more successfully ingratiated himself with the Groper's space.

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<v Speaker 2>On Tucker Carlson interview, he talked about how the Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>account sorry x account af news or af post it's

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<v Speaker 2>America first post America first News was a part of

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<v Speaker 2>his like political radicalization towards the sort of Groper's style

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<v Speaker 2>of politics. This is like a news aggregation account that

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<v Speaker 2>promotes far right nationalist talking points through and like framing

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<v Speaker 2>through various news stories. A lot of people used to

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<v Speaker 2>share a post with this account, like not knowing its

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<v Speaker 2>political orientation, just because it was very active as a

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<v Speaker 2>news aggregation source.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there are a few of those on Twitter, like

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<v Speaker 3>bno news is another one that used. Yeah, they aggregates

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<v Speaker 3>from repost stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, Fishback has pointed to this as being

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<v Speaker 2>a part of his like a Graper style red pilling.

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<v Speaker 4>Is the activity of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Account to get a sense of his kind of very

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<v Speaker 2>graper online background, or at least like a place within

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<v Speaker 2>the New Right. I'm going to read a tweet of

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<v Speaker 2>his from February eighth, twenty twenty six. Quote, as Florida governor,

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<v Speaker 2>I will refuse to let sub human gesters spike our

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<v Speaker 2>collective cortisol, not even once. Also, no foids or egirls unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>How much of that do you understand?

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<v Speaker 3>James, I got cortisol. I'm familiar, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so yeah, this is using the kind of currently

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<v Speaker 2>trendy like looks Maxing terms the jester, which has been

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<v Speaker 2>used a lot since Clinocular's stream with Fuentes and sneak

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<v Speaker 2>O at that club where they played the Kanye hal

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<v Speaker 2>Hitler song. Spiking cortisol is a frequent way that people

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<v Speaker 2>in the looksack in space refer to your stress being raised,

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<v Speaker 2>especially like through politics, like through politics raising your stress. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And voids and egirls is just like misogynistic ways to

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<v Speaker 2>refer to women coming out of like the in cell space. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know this this post is you know, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a joke, but it's also signaling to a certain

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<v Speaker 2>a certain type of person that hey, I'm your guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I speak your language.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's also just really annoying. Right, He's trying to

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<v Speaker 2>be off putting on purpose because that will drive attention

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<v Speaker 2>to him from people who don't like him. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in trying to cover him in this episode, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to like ride that line of not just

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<v Speaker 2>unnecessarily giving him publicity because he has outrageous things, but

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<v Speaker 2>then also framing his rising profile within a certain like context,

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<v Speaker 2>which is groper candidates popping up more and more frequently

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<v Speaker 2>across the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, in terms of Florida, de Santists can't run for

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<v Speaker 2>another term.

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<v Speaker 4>He is term limited.

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<v Speaker 2>The clear front runner to succeed Dysantis is US representative

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<v Speaker 2>from Florida by Donald's who has Trump's endorsement. Last month,

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<v Speaker 2>Lieutenant Governor j Collins also announced a run for governor.

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<v Speaker 2>But Fishback is not a non player in this race,

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<v Speaker 2>and his candidacy displays attention within the Republican Party between

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<v Speaker 2>the former Tea Party and classical MEGA wing, which is

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<v Speaker 2>now the effective conservative establishment, and this New America First wing,

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<v Speaker 2>which takes some of Mega's originating principles to their far

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<v Speaker 2>right nationalist conclusion. I talked about this tension last year

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<v Speaker 2>in the episodes about Nick Fuentez's interview with Tucker Carlson

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<v Speaker 2>and this surge of Graper adjacent gen Z staffers filling

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<v Speaker 2>out the ranks of the Republican machine in DC. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Fishback is one of the first candidates to draw a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of attention by essentially running as a Graper candidate.

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<v Speaker 2>Depending on how well he does, it could indicate how

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<v Speaker 2>successful this politics can be when presented in front of

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<v Speaker 2>Republican voters. The primary election isn't doneuntil August. There's not

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<v Speaker 2>tons of polling yet on this race, like let alone

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<v Speaker 2>from established pollsters. But as of late January, Fishback's most

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<v Speaker 2>favorable pole puts him fifteen points behind front runner Byron

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<v Speaker 2>Donald's according to quote unquote Patriot polling. Meanwhile, Donald's own

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<v Speaker 2>sponsored poll puts them upwards of forty two points ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of Fishback around the new year. So all this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>is really out of date, and Fishback certainly has risen

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<v Speaker 2>his profile since then, But we're still waiting on like

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<v Speaker 2>reliable polls to come out. Yeah, but he's certainly getting

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of headlines and is doing a successful job

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<v Speaker 2>in raising his public profile. Now part of Fishback's strategy

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<v Speaker 2>to raise his public profile and like name recognition both

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<v Speaker 2>in Florida and nationally, it seems to be just through

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<v Speaker 2>generating controversy, very similar to how Fuentes did this or

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<v Speaker 2>the more recent social ascension of the looks Maxims streamer

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<v Speaker 2>clvicular earlier this month, Fishback claimed that a fire was

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<v Speaker 2>quote intentionally set in his sideyard, prompting him to do

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<v Speaker 2>a publicity stunt where he walked out of his porch

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<v Speaker 2>holding an AR fifteen style rifle above his head, promising

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<v Speaker 2>to shoot anyone who attempts to harm him and his staff.

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<v Speaker 4>I will share a clip.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen this one. I'm excited to wash it again there.

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<v Speaker 5>If you come back to this home and our staff,

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<v Speaker 5>our volunteers are working hard. We're not waiting for the police.

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<v Speaker 5>We're gonna shoot you with an AR fifteen sight on scene.

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<v Speaker 3>Five five six.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's what we're going to do. It's very simple.

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<v Speaker 5>Shall not be infringe?

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<v Speaker 3>We have a right. It's just a bunch of woods,

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<v Speaker 3>they saying, like not in any particular.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, it doesn't make much sense.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't know it. It's also five point five six

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<v Speaker 3>able to call it five five six bit, yeah, fascinating,

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<v Speaker 3>two two three yeah, thirty round. Wait, doesn't actually have

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<v Speaker 3>a magazine in there? I noticed no, no, no, The

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<v Speaker 3>back sites folded down as well. It's for those familiar

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<v Speaker 3>with such things, a straight at the box Smith and

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<v Speaker 3>Western MP fifteen. It looks like he may have bought

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<v Speaker 3>it quite recently.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is one such incident where he tried to

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<v Speaker 2>generate some kind of publicity through this, you know, very

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<v Speaker 2>provocative gesture. But he's also done this through the language

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<v Speaker 2>he uses. Fishback refers to front runner Byron Donalds, who

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<v Speaker 2>is black as by Rone, which is just not his name,

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<v Speaker 2>and has said quote by Rone wants to turn Florida

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<v Speaker 2>into a Section eight ghetto unquote. He's also used Charlemagne's

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<v Speaker 2>nickname for Hakeem Jeffries a pack Schakur to refer to Donald's,

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<v Speaker 2>and has called Donald's a quote unquote slave to his

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<v Speaker 2>donors Jesus Christ. So yeah, a lot of stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Fishback has proposed a fifty percent income tax on OnlyFans creators,

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<v Speaker 2>calling it a quote unquote syntax, and one of his

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<v Speaker 2>very first campaign videos was titled I'm running for Florida

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<v Speaker 2>governor to make the trains run on time.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh cool.

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<v Speaker 2>So this has not like generated tons of controversy in headlines. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know, caused some social media posters to be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>look at this guy clearly doing a Nazi dog whistle.

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<v Speaker 2>But then it's also signaled, you know, early early in

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<v Speaker 2>the campaign signaled to you know, grapers and people in

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<v Speaker 2>the very very far fringes of the right, has signaled

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<v Speaker 2>to them that hey, I'm going to be your guy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which in part he's doing so that he can count

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<v Speaker 2>on them to kind of do free, free publicity for him, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like he wants to activate a certain type of overly

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<v Speaker 2>online young male to be like a public spokesperson to

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<v Speaker 2>like to just to boost his name recognition, and even

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<v Speaker 2>if he doesn't win in Florida in this race, it

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<v Speaker 2>at least help his career like nationally in some way.

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<v Speaker 2>So's he's counting on this, like a groper block to

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<v Speaker 2>do a lot of heavy lifting. And that's part of

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<v Speaker 2>why he does some of these very very late, gross

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<v Speaker 2>tongue in cheek stuff make them trains run on time?

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<v Speaker 4>Come on, dude.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like a clumsy dog whistle, right, it's embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no like a sleight of hand here or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he's just kind of blundering his way towards

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<v Speaker 3>being like look at me, Nazis.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Like this video he just talked about trying to bring

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<v Speaker 2>back the Amtrak to the Florida Panhandle.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like a one minute video.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It had nothing to do about actually like making trains

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<v Speaker 2>run on time. It's about trying to return Amtrak to

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<v Speaker 2>a certain section of Florida. Fitchback has promised to quote

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<v Speaker 2>divest every penny from Israel on day one unquote, which

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<v Speaker 2>would include three hundred and eighty five million in foreign

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<v Speaker 2>bonds invested in by the state. And he's apposed to

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<v Speaker 2>adopting anti semitism ministions in schools that make it quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote against the law to criticize Israel.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is where the hard right and the software

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<v Speaker 3>I bet, yeah, I'm sure it's Israel you'll concern with here, buddy, Yeah, No,

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<v Speaker 3>I bet.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he's not doing this out of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>principled stances of Palestinian solidarity.

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<v Speaker 3>And he just wants to do anti semitism like the

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<v Speaker 3>old fashioned way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and this can be displayed during a campaign event

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<v Speaker 2>at the University of Central Florida where Fishback discussed how

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<v Speaker 2>to make lunches in high school cafeterias more healthy.

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<v Speaker 3>Putant topic, what's with the.

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<v Speaker 5>Pop tarts in the Broward County public schools in the cafeterias.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not saying that the test scores are a result

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<v Speaker 5>of the pop tarts, But if you wanted kids to fail,

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<v Speaker 5>if you wanted to set up our kids for failure,

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<v Speaker 5>you would feed them the absolute boy slop in our cafeterias.

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<v Speaker 5>And that that is on gentile.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, everyone's really excited to hear that. Hey, uh yep, wow. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean the crowd is like, uh, they love it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but it also looks like they just derived from like

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<v Speaker 3>a Southern Florida be a pong invitational tournament. Like it's uh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's a lot of like frat boid type.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's a lot of the people who are who

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<v Speaker 2>consumed like the menosphere type content online. Yeah, short clips

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<v Speaker 2>of Nick Fuentes probably aren't regularly tuning into his like

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<v Speaker 2>three hour livestream on Rumble, but but engage with his

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<v Speaker 2>content through short clips online. Yeah, same thing with like

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<v Speaker 2>sneak o clvicular, Right, It's it's it's this type of

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<v Speaker 2>this type of influencer which has right wing politics, but

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<v Speaker 2>but they aren't like super invested in politics. It's it's this,

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<v Speaker 2>it's this mix of like post in cell male influencers

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<v Speaker 2>that combine right wing politics, and it's a very common

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<v Speaker 2>form of like entertainment for these people that we see

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<v Speaker 2>in the background this video. Right, it's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>like call guys eighteen to twenty two.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's mostly white men, yeah, from the traditional

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<v Speaker 3>college age.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of schools, In twenty twenty two, a Florida school

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<v Speaker 2>district cut ties with Fishback's debate organization after a female

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<v Speaker 2>student came forward with allegations at Fishback quote initiated a

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<v Speaker 2>romantic relationship unquote with her while she was working for

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<v Speaker 2>his student debate organization when she was seventeen years old

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<v Speaker 2>he was twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus.

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<v Speaker 4>The student claimed in.

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<v Speaker 2>A protection order request that after joining the debate organization

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<v Speaker 2>when she was sixteen, Fishback quote unquote systematically cultivated a

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with her by increasing quote unquote opportunities for personal interaction,

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<v Speaker 2>and that Fishback later quote unquote explicitly directed her to

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<v Speaker 2>keep the relationship a secret while she was working for

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<v Speaker 2>his school debate organization Jesus. After turning eighteen, she moved

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<v Speaker 2>in with fish Back. The two were briefly engaged. Fishback

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<v Speaker 2>denies the student's characterization of the relationship timeline. After the

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<v Speaker 2>girl broke up with him, Fishback allegedly sent hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>unanswered texts to her over several days. This information comes

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<v Speaker 2>out of a harassment case that was later dismissed. The

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<v Speaker 2>case wasn't about the legality of their relationship, importantly, it

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<v Speaker 2>was about harassment after the two had broken up, where

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<v Speaker 2>these details emerged.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, his debate organization, this is some kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>like plastic turning point.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but it kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a Florida based debate organization in high schools

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<v Speaker 2>to encourage debate.

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<v Speaker 4>It was active around twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>It was bought by another company a year or two ago,

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<v Speaker 2>but in twenty twenty two a district ended cooperation with

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<v Speaker 2>this organization after news came out about this relationship. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it is interesting considering the amount that Fishback and Fuentes

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<v Speaker 2>and these guys will talk about the Epstein files and

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<v Speaker 2>then have this in your Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Inappropriate relationships with underage women.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that work for you in your high school debate organization.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that gives me the age in a substantial way.

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<v Speaker 3>Also kind of not that surprising from this kind of

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<v Speaker 3>area of the right, but it's still gross.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's time for an ad break, but we will

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<v Speaker 2>return to discuss fishbacks reoccurring campaign rhetoric and his promises

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<v Speaker 2>as governor. All Right, we're back. A big part of

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<v Speaker 2>Fishback's campaign targeting H one B visas. He promised on

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<v Speaker 2>day one as governor to fire as many H one

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<v Speaker 2>B workers as you can and to quote unquote incentivize

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<v Speaker 2>companies to hire Americans. Again, here's a radio appearance where

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<v Speaker 2>he discusses this.

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<v Speaker 6>On the first day in office, I would fire every

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<v Speaker 6>single H one B who works at a state agency.

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<v Speaker 6>Number two, if you have a state contract with Tallahassee,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't care if it's serving nils or serving up.

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<v Speaker 3>IT tech support.

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<v Speaker 6>You have twenty four hours to pick, as President Reagan said, Drew,

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<v Speaker 6>now is the time for choosing.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to pick.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you want your fifty million dollars a year state

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<v Speaker 6>contract from Tallahassee or do you want your fifty year

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<v Speaker 6>one hundred h one vs.

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<v Speaker 4>You pick.

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<v Speaker 6>You can't have both. There's no negotiating and you have

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<v Speaker 6>twenty four hours. That's how we create a culture that

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<v Speaker 6>stands up for the dignity of American workers.

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<v Speaker 3>That's an interesting approach, Like you can't get H one

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<v Speaker 3>B jobs not for federal government, but for state government.

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of imagine that, especially in Florida, there are very.

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<v Speaker 2>Many Well, he's not just concerned about H to one b's.

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<v Speaker 2>Fishback has also railed against student visas as a threat

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<v Speaker 2>to the American way of life, and has falsely said

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump plants descended two hundred thousand students from China

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<v Speaker 2>to Florida's public universities, which serve only about four hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and thirty thousand students.

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<v Speaker 3>So it'd be like forty five percent.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not real. That's just not true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this was proposed as an idea, not Florida specifically.

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<v Speaker 2>But this was proposed in spring of twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>as a negotiating tactic with China over tariffs. This isn't

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<v Speaker 2>a real thing. Since then, Fishback has promised to raise

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<v Speaker 2>tuition on all foreign students to one million dollars via

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<v Speaker 2>executive order. The governor cannot legally raise state school tuition

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<v Speaker 2>via executive order.

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<v Speaker 4>These are just words that he's saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, so like a lot of these state schools having

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<v Speaker 3>a certain number of students who are paying a higher fee,

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<v Speaker 3>be that the non US or out of state, like

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<v Speaker 3>it's integral to their budgeting, right, Like, yeah, they're not

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<v Speaker 3>making it on in state tuition.

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<v Speaker 2>Fishback has talked about all this in an interview on

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<v Speaker 2>Tucker Carlson's Internet show last month, where he said that

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<v Speaker 2>a child quote from Shenjin, who doesn't know what Florida

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<v Speaker 2>orange juice tastes like, can't possibly in an economic sense,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think I mean not to sound gay, but

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<v Speaker 2>in a spiritual sense, does not represent our state and

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<v Speaker 2>our heritage unquote. Tucker replied, that's the opposite of gay. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>quote that's.

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<v Speaker 3>A head of an exchange of words. Again, like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>like a little lost here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is this is a sizable faction of the

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<v Speaker 2>new right of of the of of the gropers who

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<v Speaker 2>are filling staffer positions at Heritage and in DC, Like

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<v Speaker 2>this is the sort of media environment like linkinguistic environment

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<v Speaker 2>that they that they are coming out of. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>the pearl clutchy reaction is not useful here, right, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not like who cares?

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<v Speaker 7>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>This is this is obviously embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like a man in his thirties trying to

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<v Speaker 2>sound like a kind of homophobic eighteen year old who's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of only homophobic via like linguistic reflux.

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<v Speaker 4>This is like embarrassing cosplay.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's very cringe.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't even find this stuff offensive, Like this is

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<v Speaker 4>this is just it's no.

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<v Speaker 3>It's sad. Like the primary sentiment I feel is like

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<v Speaker 3>vicarious shame, Yeah, for this guy and his like desperate

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<v Speaker 3>search for attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, a core component of selling fascism too people is

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<v Speaker 2>that they were promised a future that's now been taken

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<v Speaker 2>away from them because of some people that are the enemy. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>This is like the dream of finding a subservient wife,

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<v Speaker 2>a cushy, full time job, buying a home, raising two

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<v Speaker 2>point five kids in a safe and secure homeland. But

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<v Speaker 2>because of quote unquote, this dream is no longer possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Through the years, we've seen different versions of this targeting Jews, Feminists, Palestinians, Muslims, Mexicans,

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<v Speaker 2>Central and South American immigrants.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>During Fishbeck's Carlson interview, he elucidated on like an updated

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<v Speaker 2>version of the like twenty first century version of the

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<v Speaker 2>American dream that was stolen from gen Z.

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<v Speaker 7>Gen Z was such an important part of the president's

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<v Speaker 7>victory last year. Yes, and they feel betrayed by a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of these Trump advisors and what they've chosen to

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<v Speaker 7>prioritize and not.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see why.

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<v Speaker 7>And when I've met them, and I've met them where

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<v Speaker 7>they are at their universities, whether it's UF a couple

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<v Speaker 7>of weeks ago, I'll be at FSU and just a

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<v Speaker 7>couple weeks from now. Their number one frustration is that, look,

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<v Speaker 7>they don't want to be lectured anymore. They got a degree,

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<v Speaker 7>they got good grades, they got good test scores. They

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<v Speaker 7>didn't study gender studies or black intersectionality. They did the

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<v Speaker 7>stem thing that Republicans told them to do. Yeah, learn

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<v Speaker 7>to code, learn to code. And now they say, you

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<v Speaker 7>know what Amazon, Google fed acts. No, No, those jobs

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<v Speaker 7>aren't available for you Upesky Americans. You want paid time off,

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<v Speaker 7>you want to go to church on Sunday. We're going

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<v Speaker 7>to give those jobs to an entire new class of

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<v Speaker 7>foreign serfs known as the Indians and the Chinese, and

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<v Speaker 7>we're not going to even interview you for those positions.

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<v Speaker 7>They don't even pretend that the Chinese or the Indians

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<v Speaker 7>are smarter. They're not. They don't speak our language, they

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<v Speaker 7>have no skin in their nuts smarter act, they're not

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<v Speaker 7>at all, I know. And so the issue then becomes,

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<v Speaker 7>do we actually have a labor market that is utterly

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<v Speaker 7>rigged against American citizens? The answer is yes.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is a really interesting exchange on a

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<v Speaker 2>sort of slide that's happening on the right.

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<v Speaker 4>Beyond talking about like illegal immigrants.

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<v Speaker 3>What's really interesting to me is that like the first

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<v Speaker 3>real immigration lik restrictions that were part of the United

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<v Speaker 3>States was the Chinese Exclusion Act, right, Yeah, and we

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<v Speaker 3>have circled all the way back to essentially a very

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<v Speaker 3>similar argument.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The slide from talking about illegal immigrants in like the

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<v Speaker 2>far right space to really honing in on on student

0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:16.200
<v Speaker 2>visa's foreign workers, I think is an interesting pivot. And

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<v Speaker 2>this new version of the American dream of like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>stem jobs, learned to code that's now been taken away,

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<v Speaker 2>that's no longer accessible because so many young Americans aren't

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<v Speaker 2>getting hired because they're adamant about going to church on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 4>Something that's not true. That's not real.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's not a real thing.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, young Americans are not in large numbers

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:37.600
<v Speaker 2>going to church on Sunday. Nor is their hiring this

0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 2>discrimination because they don't want to work on Sundays. Right,

0:25:39.960 --> 0:25:43.520
<v Speaker 2>These things aren't aren't real, but it taps into a

0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:47.000
<v Speaker 2>certain feeling that someone in college might might have right now,

0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:50.159
<v Speaker 2>especially in the wake of like AI vibe coding, of

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:52.960
<v Speaker 2>they were told that there's this like life track where

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:55.440
<v Speaker 2>you can work in tech, and now there really isn't

0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:58.479
<v Speaker 2>many tech jobs open to people, and they're trying to

0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:01.879
<v Speaker 2>turn this situation in to this fight against legal immigration.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, into fascism. It's funny to see Carlson repeating that

0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 3>the learned to code thing, as if that was like

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:11.199
<v Speaker 3>a serious piece of career advice given to people Like

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:15.840
<v Speaker 3>that has been a meme for close to a decade. Yeah,

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 3>like everybody knew there was bullshit that it's it's literally

0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:20.760
<v Speaker 3>like that. The phrase is a joke.

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Fishback later says after this little rant that quote, our

0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:28.199
<v Speaker 2>north Star should not be a free market, but a

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.160
<v Speaker 2>free people. He's okay, if the market's not freeze, Okay,

0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:33.280
<v Speaker 2>if we're going to be restricting which types of workers

0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:36.320
<v Speaker 2>are allowed, as long as we have a free American people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, his strategy for winning this race appears to be

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:45.520
<v Speaker 2>through appealing to homeowners and prospective homeowners through tax cuts

0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:48.479
<v Speaker 2>and down payment assistance, but then also really trying to

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 2>engage gen Z voters. Looking at the success of previous politicians,

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:56.160
<v Speaker 2>including Trump, and how much of his victory was related

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:59.439
<v Speaker 2>to the gen Z vote, He's really really honing in

0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:03.320
<v Speaker 2>on trying to activate young voters in Florida. He's planning

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 2>to visit every single state college and so university and

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:08.760
<v Speaker 2>talk with these issues. As a social media stunt, He's

0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:11.439
<v Speaker 2>going on a statewide waffle house tour, visiting all the

0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:15.960
<v Speaker 2>locations in the state great and through this he continues

0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:18.919
<v Speaker 2>to talk about these beliefs on legal immigration. In an

0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:22.159
<v Speaker 2>interview with a local magazine, Fishbeck discussed his belief in

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:25.440
<v Speaker 2>the quote unquote great replacement state d quote. You can't

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:28.280
<v Speaker 2>make America great again with Chinese, you can't make America

0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:30.880
<v Speaker 2>great again with Indians. You can't make America great again

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:33.400
<v Speaker 2>with Haitians. So when I speak about the great replacement,

0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:36.439
<v Speaker 2>I speak about legal immigration programs that for far too

0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 2>long have been overlooked. A legal immigration has been a

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:44.160
<v Speaker 2>primary concern for establishment Republicans. But each one of many

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:48.480
<v Speaker 2>legal immigration programs, by definition, takes spots and slots jobs

0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:51.480
<v Speaker 2>away from American citizens. My campaign is the one that

0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 2>stands up and says America is for Americans, and so

0:27:56.119 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 2>we have to stop apologizing for that. Yeah, little slight

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:02.720
<v Speaker 2>move there with the Americas for Americans.

0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, in reference to German Germany for Yeahman Germany for

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 4>the Germans.

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure he knows exactly what he's doing. Oh, certainly. Yeah,

0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 3>Like this is the obvious next place. They have made

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 3>so much political headway with racism, and like the obvious

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:24.119
<v Speaker 3>direction to keep going there for is to be the

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:26.679
<v Speaker 3>one who's willing to lean a little bit further into racism, Right,

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 3>See if that can get you a little bit further,

0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:31.040
<v Speaker 3>a little bit, a little bit more popular. Yeah, it

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:32.159
<v Speaker 3>makes sense in that.

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 2>In that way, That's why I find his canadacy really interesting.

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Regardless of how well he's going to end up doing

0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 2>in the primary, he is trying to trojan horse something

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 2>into not even trojan horse in a way. He's kind

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 2>of openly trying to pull something into Republican politics and

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 2>something that's been like festering in the sidelines for a while.

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:52.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, start that Nick's been advocating for a while.

0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 2>There was that fight around H one B Visas about

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 2>a year ago. Yeah, and he's he's really honing in

0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:01.640
<v Speaker 2>on this as a potential future for the party. And

0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:05.240
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna see how successful this is. Like in part right,

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 2>there could be other factors that make his campaign not

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:11.080
<v Speaker 2>do very well beyond these sorts of politics, but this

0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:12.720
<v Speaker 2>is this is the first time you've really seen these

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 2>deployed at this scale.

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:16.640
<v Speaker 4>I think. And he's counting on the groper support.

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 2>And this is what Nick's been talking about for a while,

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 2>trying to run candidates like this as much as possible.

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty six, we'll talk more about Fishback's relationship

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:27.720
<v Speaker 2>with Fuentes and the.

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<v Speaker 4>Grapers after this ad break.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>In my episode last year about the right wing fallout

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:49.720
<v Speaker 2>of Nick Fuentez and Tucker Carlson's brief friendship, I discussed

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 2>how Fuentes was making threats and promises to deploy his

0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:58.520
<v Speaker 2>groper fan base to influence elections both in twenty twenty

0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 2>six and then in the the Republican presidential primary in

0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty eight, and after that new cycle had peaked,

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Fuentes continued to really hammere down his promise and threat

0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:13.160
<v Speaker 2>to various candidates that if they do not adopt sufficient

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:17.560
<v Speaker 2>America first messaging, he will deploy his fan base across

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 2>many different primary states to influence the election through support

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 2>and harassment. And I believe that Fishback is attempting to

0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 2>hold Nick to this promise. On a podcast appearance last year,

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Fishback said that Nick Fuentes quote unquote broke the Internet

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:40.480
<v Speaker 2>by speaking truth to the deranged maniac Piers Morgan in

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 2>an interview.

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:43.800
<v Speaker 3>I do love how Peace Morgan is now like an

0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:47.040
<v Speaker 3>avatar woke for the Nick American Right.

0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:50.880
<v Speaker 7>For the biggest interview of the year, Nick fuent Has

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:54.280
<v Speaker 7>and Piers Morgan were, Nick made very very clear, we

0:30:54.320 --> 0:30:57.240
<v Speaker 7>are done with the pearl clutching, We are done with

0:30:57.320 --> 0:31:01.200
<v Speaker 7>the white guilt. We are done with this pseudo religion

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 7>that attacks us for just wanting to exist in our

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 7>own country, to buy a home, to get a job,

0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:09.920
<v Speaker 7>and to benefit from all the things that we were promised.

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 2>There he is again talking about all the things that

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:13.400
<v Speaker 2>we were promised.

0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 3>And us right, like he's a thirty year old hedge

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 3>fund guy. Yeah, like he got all the things.

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 2>No, he did get the dream that he is saying

0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:26.280
<v Speaker 2>no longer exists, like that has been his life.

0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, and he's just trying to cash in on

0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 3>it now.

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<v Speaker 5>No.

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 2>But it's through this interview he just keeps talking about

0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Fuentes and glowingly refers to the Graper fan base.

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 7>I'll tell you the truth. I found the audience of

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 7>young men who follow and watch Nick Fuentes to be

0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:46.239
<v Speaker 7>actually incredibly informed and insimple and very patriotic young man.

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:48.920
<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna be completely honest. I probably shouldn't say this,

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 7>but I think Nick's following is actually really impressive. There's

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 7>a lot of young men who are patriotic, who are

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.880
<v Speaker 7>well informed, who know our history, which is why they

0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 7>are so frightened by the current path that we are on.

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<v Speaker 2>Having a candidate talk openly about the Grapers in this

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 2>way I think is super interesting. This is the one

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 2>of the first cases, and I don't think it'll be

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 2>the last where Nicks fans and and Nick himself are

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:15.000
<v Speaker 2>like openly referred to in a race like this.

0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:20.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's interesting again, like super duper surprising to

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 3>me how easily the Overton window is moved to the

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 3>right right now. And there's a whole network of these

0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 3>like short form and long form video places to do

0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 3>that right that are kind of set up to incentivize that.

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:39.560
<v Speaker 3>Almost he doesn't have any particular genius that allows him

0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 3>to do it right, Like there is a system in

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:44.920
<v Speaker 3>place both with like Fointe is kind of outside of

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 3>the electoral politics Overton window, and then all these places

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:52.480
<v Speaker 3>that straddle the line right like Tucker Carlson, et cetera,

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:56.320
<v Speaker 3>et cetera, where, Yeah, that exist to bring these further

0:32:56.480 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 3>right discourses into the admiss discourse of electoral politics in

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:02.200
<v Speaker 3>this country.

0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and fishback, as a largely unremarkable candidate, is counting

0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 2>on a group of probably hundreds to thousands of young

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 2>men to do free campaign work for him by telling

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 2>them that they're good, smart little boys, by complimenting them.

0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 2>He is counting on his success being contingent on this

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:25.960
<v Speaker 2>graper army of gen Z Internet users. To him, these

0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:28.560
<v Speaker 2>are like a valuable political block and like that that's

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 2>the thing that I find interesting about this, as you

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 2>they used to be like pure poison, right yeah, Yeah,

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Now they're seen as like as like a possible asset,

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 2>and Fishback knows that there could be some drawbacks by

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 2>going this extreme. A few days ago, Fishback walked through

0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Miami's nightlife on stream with Manosphere influencer sneako who asked

0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Nick foyant as if you would endorse Fishback as governor?

0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 5>What you say all? He said?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Nick Foyn says has endorsed Fishback for governor. That

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:07.640
<v Speaker 3>don't really help go Wait, he's voting for Byron uh.

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:09.440
<v Speaker 7>No, Nick Foyt says, he's voting for Byron Donald's.

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:14.080
<v Speaker 3>But that's a bad name, myrown Donald's.

0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 7>Does that even sound like it could be a governor?

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:18.319
<v Speaker 2>So there you can see that he knows that it

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 2>could have some possible negative effects, but he's he's willing

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 2>to play in this like irony irony zone while still

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 2>very clearly embracing Fuentes and and the Groper's. Yeah, and

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:31.480
<v Speaker 2>like this stream with Sneakos is like indicative of a

0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 2>few things. After Fishback talked about Goyslop at that school event.

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, he said afterwards that he wasn't aware of

0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 2>like the offensive connotation.

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:43.920
<v Speaker 4>The fuck else is getting, which is not true.

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Right, This has been like a four Chan term forever

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:50.440
<v Speaker 2>to talk about how like the Jews are poisoning gentiles

0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 2>with food to make them like subservient.

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:54.879
<v Speaker 4>Right, that's what the term means. He knows that.

0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:59.880
<v Speaker 2>And he continued to use the goyslop term on Sneako's stream,

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 2>and after jaywalking on this stream, Fishback joked quote the

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:07.959
<v Speaker 2>headline will read tomorrow Florida govenatorial candidate breaks the law

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 2>with Hitler sympathizer, referring to sneak o great And based

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 2>on the most recent polling we have on this race,

0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:21.080
<v Speaker 2>Fishback's youth centric strategy does seem to be getting its

0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 2>intended results. In a University of North Florida Public Opinion

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Research Lab poll from the middle of February, Byron Donalds

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:33.560
<v Speaker 2>is up thirty one percent to James Fishback at six percent,

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 2>about a twenty five percent gap, which is kind of

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 2>in between the more Fishback friendly Patriot polling numbers and

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:44.720
<v Speaker 2>Byron Donald's own internal polling. A sizable gap, to be sure,

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 2>but not one that is insurmountable. What's really interesting about

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:53.040
<v Speaker 2>this pole, though, is the youth numbers for ages eighteen

0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 2>to thirty four. James Fishback is at thirty two percent,

0:35:57.440 --> 0:36:02.400
<v Speaker 2>whereas Byron Donald's is at eight percent. He's massively ahead

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 2>among youth. Meanwhile, Byron Donald's tactics to address Fishbeck's connection

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 2>to the Gropers has been a little odd. I'm going

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 2>to read a statement from last week. Quote, Dear James Fishback,

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 2>I heard you crashed out when I told the truth

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:24.720
<v Speaker 2>about your stupid anti Semitic BDS plan that you stole

0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 2>from Kamala Harris, just like you stole your whole gimmick

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:33.480
<v Speaker 2>from Nick Fuentes and Zoron Mom Donnie, You're no racist,

0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:37.840
<v Speaker 2>your no groyper, your no anti Semite. You're what people

0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 2>hate about politics, performative slop unquote. So Byron Donald's approach

0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 2>to addressing Fishbeck's ties to the Gropers are not to

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:52.160
<v Speaker 2>actually attack him for these ties, but to say that

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:55.680
<v Speaker 2>he's a fake groper, that he's not actually one of them,

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 2>that he's stealing his policy ideas from Kamala Harris and

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:03.920
<v Speaker 2>stealing his gimmick from Fuentes and Zoron Mamdani quote unquote

0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:08.560
<v Speaker 2>your no anti Semite, your no racist. So basically attacking

0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Fishback for not being a real enough racist. And Donald

0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:16.920
<v Speaker 2>isn't the only one linking Fishback to Zoron Mamdanni. The

0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:22.680
<v Speaker 2>conservative magazine The Spectator released a positive profile on Fishback

0:37:22.840 --> 0:37:26.720
<v Speaker 2>last week with the headline is James Fishback the rights

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:31.839
<v Speaker 2>answer to Zoron Mamdani, The similarities seemingly being that he's

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 2>behind in the polls in a race that could be

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:38.560
<v Speaker 2>very influential for the future of the Republican Party, while

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 2>gaining a lot of traction among youth and having a

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:46.000
<v Speaker 2>savvy online element of the campaign, and so Byron Donald's

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:50.279
<v Speaker 2>response to Fishback's popularity online a popularity among young voters

0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:54.799
<v Speaker 2>is to compare him to Kamala Harris and Zoron Mamdani

0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:57.920
<v Speaker 2>and claim that he's not actually a real racist, that

0:37:57.960 --> 0:38:01.360
<v Speaker 2>he's not actually a real groyper. I do not believe

0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:03.440
<v Speaker 2>this is going to be an effective line of attack

0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 2>or damage his numbers among the young, especially male supporters

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:13.080
<v Speaker 2>that he has, because Fishback already knows that he has

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:16.719
<v Speaker 2>the groper base in his pocket, and that's why he's

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:19.359
<v Speaker 2>able to make jokes with Sneako about how no, no, no,

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Nick Fuentes is actually supporting the other guy. He is

0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:26.960
<v Speaker 2>secure enough in his groper support to jokingly distance himself

0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 2>from Fuentes as a strategic move, because he knows the

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<v Speaker 2>Grapers are already going to be doing free labor for

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<v Speaker 2>him to boost his chance of winning. He already has

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<v Speaker 2>them cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that makes sense, Like he's relying on social

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<v Speaker 3>media exposure from them, and then he can even say

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<v Speaker 3>other stuff to conventional media and it probably won't matter

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<v Speaker 3>that much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, And I mean he's still getting profiled by

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<v Speaker 2>major outlets like every every week, and it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be a long race. He wants to eventually debate Donald's,

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<v Speaker 2>like in a televised debate. Unclear thatats going to happen. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but as of now, that's kind of the current state

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<v Speaker 2>of his candidacy, his strategy to overcome the gap and polls.

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<v Speaker 2>And I will be keeping an eye on this race

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<v Speaker 2>specifically because it does relate to what I was talking

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<v Speaker 2>about last year in terms of this like wave of

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<v Speaker 2>groper friendly candidates expected to try to get into the

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<v Speaker 2>Republican Party in the next two to four years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's his. The election is November of this year.

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<v Speaker 4>November is the general. August is the primary.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, so I guess the kind of Republican primary

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<v Speaker 3>in Georgia is the big deal. I mean in Florida. Sorry, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The primary race in Florida is going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>one that I'm keeping the most track of.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, don't be surprised if if you

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<v Speaker 2>start seeing fishback pop up and more stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>In the next few weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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