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Speaker 2: Hey, team, Welcome to the Buck Brief. On this episode,
Speaker 2: Michael Cargill is with us. He is a big Second
Speaker 2: Amendment hero, really, and he'll tell you all why he
Speaker 2: has stared down the progressive leftist Leviathan and been victorious. Michael,
Speaker 2: first off, thank you so much what you've stood for here.
Speaker 2: Tell everybody about your case and how you defeated the
Speaker 2: Biden administration on something.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and thank you for having me. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: the bumpstock lawsuit, the Michael Cargill versus a Department of
Speaker 1: Justice and Dear of Alcohol to backmand firearms. Back in
Speaker 1: twenty and eighteen, the ATF decide they were going to
Speaker 1: create a rule to ban a bumpstock because of the
Speaker 1: Las Vegas shooting, right and so, and.
Speaker 2: Does this happened under under Trump? By the way, so
Speaker 2: we should note that this is one of the rare
Speaker 2: moments where I'll say, I think Trump got it wrong,
Speaker 2: but the Biden administration kept fighting and then wanted to
Speaker 2: implement this.
Speaker 1: But keep going, yeah, exactly, it was a gateway, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of gateway of the ATF getting into the banning
Speaker 1: different parts and pieces. So the shooting happened in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: Because this was like the worst mass shooting in the country. Uh,
Speaker 1: the pressure was put on everyone left right to do something.
Speaker 1: Something had to be done. And because this is just
Speaker 1: such a very nasty shooting that you know, both sides
Speaker 1: decided to do something and everyone was in on it.
Speaker 1: The NRA was in on it. Uh, there are a
Speaker 1: lot of different organizations in on it. And no one
Speaker 1: wanted to go against Trump because it was this administration.
Speaker 1: But me, I have this tunnel vision, you know when
Speaker 1: it comes to the Second Amendment. You know, I believe
Speaker 1: in standing you know, right there and making sure that
Speaker 1: no one violates my constitutional rights. So well, I decided
Speaker 1: to bring this lawsuit forward because I said, hey, if
Speaker 1: we allow the federal government, the ATF, to walk into
Speaker 1: your home and take something that you that you know
Speaker 1: you legally owned or purchased and ban it, then you
Speaker 1: know what stops him from doing other things is stopping
Speaker 1: from them from taking other parts and pieces.
Speaker 2: Right, And this is a huge issue with the administrative state.
Speaker 2: If they can just decide essentially that by whim, I
Speaker 2: mean they can just have a regulatory order and create
Speaker 2: felons out of people.
Speaker 3: I think everybody's to understand.
Speaker 2: They're not saying if you don't hand over your bum
Speaker 2: stock or if you don't hand over your pistol brace,
Speaker 2: you know, you're going to pay one hundred dollars fine.
Speaker 2: They're saying, we're going to arrest you, We're going to
Speaker 2: imprison you, We're going to take away more of your
Speaker 2: rights because you'll be a convicted felon afterwards.
Speaker 1: That's insane, right, And this is much bigger than firearms.
Speaker 1: We're talking you know, I'm talking about tech protecting my
Speaker 1: Texas farmers. I'm talking about protecting my Texas ranchers. We're
Speaker 1: talking about the government agency that's going to create a
Speaker 1: rule to convict people and you know, and pretty much
Speaker 1: take people's loblihood the way. And I said, you know,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. This has got to stop. And so I
Speaker 1: found a lawsuit.
Speaker 3: And you won that lawsuit.
Speaker 2: So congratulations on that one.
Speaker 3: It made its way all the way up through the courts.
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Speaker 2: as somebody who obviously is familiar with with bump stocks,
Speaker 2: do you have an opinion on you know, there's this look,
Speaker 2: I'll just say it. I've seen guys who are Special
Speaker 2: Forces veterans who say that they just don't believe that
Speaker 2: a bump stock could have been what was used at
Speaker 2: the In fact, they've said they thought it was like
Speaker 2: like a two forty whether two forty Golf or two
Speaker 2: forty Bravo, you know, effectively a belt f machine gun
Speaker 2: and not a bum stock at the Las Vegas shooting.
Speaker 2: Do you have an opinion on that based on the video?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, just just basing off the video and what it's
Speaker 1: sounded like. It definitely belt fed or possibly more than
Speaker 1: one shooter, you know, but coming from one person. You know,
Speaker 1: looking at the photos of that room, I don't see
Speaker 1: enough ammunition of rounds on the ground, spent you know,
Speaker 1: spent casings whatsoever. So definitely something else is going on
Speaker 1: there they're not telling us about, you know, And and
Speaker 1: you know, to take this one little part, this piece
Speaker 1: here and to say, hey, you know they're banning this.
Speaker 1: We're going to ban this in the entire country because
Speaker 1: of one particular little incident. You know, it's just insane
Speaker 1: and it's just crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well it also it keeps the door open for the EPA,
Speaker 2: you know, you name, a federal agency can decide, you
Speaker 2: know what, we think this should be illegal now. So
Speaker 2: now it's illegal. Now it's a crime. Congress is supposed
Speaker 2: to do that now, you know, it's not supposed to
Speaker 2: be a bunch of bureaus at the ATF or anywhere else.
Speaker 1: You take Osha take you take what happened in two
Speaker 1: thousand with shutting you know, the country shutting down from
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Speaker 1: You know, we have to put our foot down and say,
Speaker 1: you know what, the power belongs to the people, not
Speaker 1: to the government. We should not be in fear of
Speaker 1: our government. The government should be in fear of us.
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Speaker 2: You know, the the Biden White House, what was it
Speaker 2: the Health and Human Services had I think it was, Oh, no,
Speaker 2: the Surgeon Surgeon General. Surgeon General has said that there
Speaker 2: is a gun violence emergency and we need to have
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Speaker 1: What?
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Speaker 1: It's all about control exactly that. It's all about control
Speaker 1: and coming after your firearms and trying to ban something.
Speaker 1: We don't see people you know, complaining or demanding. You know,
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Speaker 1: hold that person responsible. You know, we have a parenting
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Speaker 2: you're you're a two AA guy, so I'm assuming you're
Speaker 2: a constitutionalist to patriot and not going to be voting
Speaker 2: for any communists come this fall. How do you think
Speaker 2: Trump is looking at this stage? And and do you
Speaker 2: think if I may ask you, I mean, you know
Speaker 2: that there's always this this hope that there'll be more
Speaker 2: Trump votes from within the the black community across this country,
Speaker 2: particularly among black men. The polling is suggesting it's looking
Speaker 2: pretty good for Trump.
Speaker 3: What do you think.
Speaker 1: I think that more people in the black and brown
Speaker 1: community are going to be voting conservative to come of
Speaker 1: this election time because they're looking at some of the
Speaker 1: things that the liberals, the left is doing, you know,
Speaker 1: this whole thing of abortion, uh, trying to convince people
Speaker 1: to kill their you know, their unborn child, reducing the
Speaker 1: amount of black and brown people we have on this planet.
Speaker 1: I see people wanting to take their own personal responsibility
Speaker 1: in their own hands and not allowing the left to
Speaker 1: tell them that you can't protect yourself. You can't you're
Speaker 1: not smart enough get a driver's license. You know, you
Speaker 1: can't read or anything like that. What are you know
Speaker 1: these crazy liberals that we're hearing out of, like states
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the black community can read, and I
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Speaker 2: I have one question for you before we actually close
Speaker 2: up here, Michael, you get it is that we're just
Speaker 2: this is this is a fun one. It is the
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Speaker 2: and the zombie apocalypse.
Speaker 3: What what do you go with?
Speaker 1: What is your I'm going with the AR fifteen hands down.
Speaker 1: You know I won't pick a model, a particular one,
Speaker 1: you know, particular.
Speaker 2: Mayga factory, right, but you go, you go, AR, you go.
Speaker 1: AR AR fifteen thirty Round magazine have a twenty extra
Speaker 1: magazines on me and a truckloading ammunition, and I'm ready
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 2: You'd be the neighbor in the zombie apocalypse that everybody
Speaker 2: would want to have. So I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 2: I got I got a lot in the gun safe
Speaker 2: over here. So anyway, Michael, keep in touch man, Thank
Speaker 2: you again for a standing firm for both the Second
Speaker 2: Amendment and also standing against the administrative state. Let us
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Speaker 2: Keep in touch, all.
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Speaker 3: As always, what's the store? What's the store?
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Speaker 2: I'm coming. I'm next time. I'm in Austin, Michael, I'm
Speaker 2: coming to see you, coming to see you.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Yes, sir, thank you for having me