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Speaker 2: Hey, team, Welcome to the Buck Brief. On this episode,

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Speaker 2: Michael Cargill is with us. He is a big Second

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Speaker 2: Amendment hero, really, and he'll tell you all why he

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Speaker 2: has stared down the progressive leftist Leviathan and been victorious. Michael,

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Speaker 2: first off, thank you so much what you've stood for here.

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Speaker 2: Tell everybody about your case and how you defeated the

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Speaker 2: Biden administration on something.

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and thank you for having me. Yes, it's

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Speaker 1: the bumpstock lawsuit, the Michael Cargill versus a Department of

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Speaker 1: Justice and Dear of Alcohol to backmand firearms. Back in

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Speaker 1: twenty and eighteen, the ATF decide they were going to

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Speaker 1: create a rule to ban a bumpstock because of the

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas shooting, right and so, and.

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Speaker 2: Does this happened under under Trump? By the way, so

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Speaker 2: we should note that this is one of the rare

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Speaker 2: moments where I'll say, I think Trump got it wrong,

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Speaker 2: but the Biden administration kept fighting and then wanted to

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Speaker 2: implement this.

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Speaker 1: But keep going, yeah, exactly, it was a gateway, you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of gateway of the ATF getting into the banning

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Speaker 1: different parts and pieces. So the shooting happened in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: Because this was like the worst mass shooting in the country. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the pressure was put on everyone left right to do something.

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Speaker 1: Something had to be done. And because this is just

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Speaker 1: such a very nasty shooting that you know, both sides

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Speaker 1: decided to do something and everyone was in on it.

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Speaker 1: The NRA was in on it. Uh, there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of different organizations in on it. And no one

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Speaker 1: wanted to go against Trump because it was this administration.

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Speaker 1: But me, I have this tunnel vision, you know when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the Second Amendment. You know, I believe

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Speaker 1: in standing you know, right there and making sure that

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Speaker 1: no one violates my constitutional rights. So well, I decided

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Speaker 1: to bring this lawsuit forward because I said, hey, if

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Speaker 1: we allow the federal government, the ATF, to walk into

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Speaker 1: your home and take something that you that you know

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Speaker 1: you legally owned or purchased and ban it, then you

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Speaker 1: know what stops him from doing other things is stopping

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Speaker 1: from them from taking other parts and pieces.

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Speaker 2: Right, And this is a huge issue with the administrative state.

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Speaker 2: If they can just decide essentially that by whim, I

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Speaker 2: mean they can just have a regulatory order and create

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Speaker 2: felons out of people.

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Speaker 3: I think everybody's to understand.

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Speaker 2: They're not saying if you don't hand over your bum

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Speaker 2: you know, you're going to pay one hundred dollars fine.

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Speaker 2: They're saying, we're going to arrest you, We're going to

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Speaker 1: That's insane, right, And this is much bigger than firearms.

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Speaker 1: We're talking you know, I'm talking about tech protecting my

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Speaker 1: take people's loblihood the way. And I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: absolutely not. This has got to stop. And so I

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Speaker 3: And you won that lawsuit.

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Speaker 2: So congratulations on that one.

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Speaker 2: as somebody who obviously is familiar with with bump stocks,

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Speaker 2: do you have an opinion on you know, there's this look,

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Speaker 2: I'll just say it. I've seen guys who are Special

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Speaker 2: Forces veterans who say that they just don't believe that

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Speaker 2: a bump stock could have been what was used at

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Speaker 2: the In fact, they've said they thought it was like

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Speaker 2: and not a bum stock at the Las Vegas shooting.

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Speaker 2: Do you have an opinion on that based on the video?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, just just basing off the video and what it's

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Speaker 1: sounded like. It definitely belt fed or possibly more than

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Speaker 1: looking at the photos of that room, I don't see

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Speaker 1: enough ammunition of rounds on the ground, spent you know,

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Speaker 1: there they're not telling us about, you know, And and

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Speaker 1: you know, to take this one little part, this piece

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Speaker 1: here and to say, hey, you know they're banning this.

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Speaker 1: We're going to ban this in the entire country because

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Speaker 2: Well it also it keeps the door open for the EPA,

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Speaker 2: you know, you name, a federal agency can decide, you

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Speaker 2: know what, we think this should be illegal now. So

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Speaker 2: now it's illegal. Now it's a crime. Congress is supposed

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Speaker 1: You take Osha take you take what happened in two

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Speaker 3: Does that just mean they want to ban so called

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Speaker 3: assault rifles? Like what?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 3: What do they think is going.

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Speaker 2: It's nine eight nine eight nine eight text buck to

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Speaker 2: protect your hard earned savings with some gold today. Now,

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Speaker 2: just before you let you go, Michael, I mean, I'm

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Speaker 2: you're you're a two AA guy, so I'm assuming you're

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Speaker 2: for any communists come this fall. How do you think

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Speaker 2: that there's always this this hope that there'll be more

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Speaker 2: particularly among black men. The polling is suggesting it's looking

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Speaker 3: What do you think.

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Speaker 1: I think that more people in the black and brown

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Speaker 1: things that the liberals, the left is doing, you know,

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Speaker 1: I see people wanting to take their own personal responsibility

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Speaker 1: tell them that you can't protect yourself. You can't you're

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Speaker 1: not smart enough get a driver's license. You know, you

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Speaker 1: can't read or anything like that. What are you know

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Speaker 1: these crazy liberals that we're hearing out of, like states

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the black community can read, and I

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Speaker 2: I have one question for you before we actually close

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Speaker 2: up here, Michael, you get it is that we're just

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Speaker 2: this is this is a fun one. It is the

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Speaker 2: zombie apocalypse. I'm sure you've seen Walking Dead. Okay, you

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Speaker 2: get one. I will take Bear Creek carsal out of

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Speaker 2: this because obviously that would be your first choice because

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Speaker 2: they're sponsoring this podcast. But you get one firearm, one

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Speaker 2: firearm model that you have to fight against the zombies

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Speaker 3: What what do you go with?

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Speaker 1: What is your I'm going with the AR fifteen hands down.

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Speaker 1: You know I won't pick a model, a particular one,

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Speaker 2: Mayga factory, right, but you go, you go, AR, you go.

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Speaker 1: AR AR fifteen thirty Round magazine have a twenty extra

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Speaker 2: You'd be the neighbor in the zombie apocalypse that everybody

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Speaker 2: would want to have. So I gotta be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: I got I got a lot in the gun safe

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Speaker 2: over here. So anyway, Michael, keep in touch man, Thank

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Speaker 2: you again for a standing firm for both the Second

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Speaker 2: Amendment and also standing against the administrative state. Let us

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Speaker 2: know here on the show how we can help going forward.

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Speaker 2: Keep in touch, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Absolutely reach out to us because we're selling those

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Speaker 1: bump stocks.

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Speaker 3: As always, what's the store? What's the store?

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Speaker 2: Because we have people listening down in Texas.

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Speaker 1: That's right, We're at Central Texas Gun Works in Austin, Texas,

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Speaker 1: and we have bump stock for sale.

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Speaker 2: I'm coming. I'm next time. I'm in Austin, Michael, I'm

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Speaker 2: coming to see you, coming to see you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Yes, sir, thank you for having me