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Speaker 1: Hawks Sucks Live every Thursday from seven to nine, live

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Speaker 1: on air on seven ten ESPN Seattle and brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Mac and Jack's Brewing Company. No. Here're your host,

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Speaker 1: Michael Bumpus and Paul Moyer. Hawks Live every Thursday right

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Speaker 1: here from Looming Field on seventeen ESPN on Michael Bumps

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Speaker 1: here with Paul Moyer and folks. This is our last

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Speaker 1: Hawks Live on Thursday of the season. Paul, it happened

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Speaker 1: so fast. It's been a good year. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: what the Seahawks is great year nine and four. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk more about. Is that an underachieve overachieve where they

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Speaker 1: should be. It's been a good year. But this Thursday show,

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Speaker 1: it really it's it's my most fun day of the week.

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Speaker 1: I'm which you, yeah, and I got my good friends,

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Speaker 1: I got Nassa, I got you. We're talking football and

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Speaker 1: we got a good show tonight. It always helps when

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Speaker 1: they come off a really good win. Yes, it does.

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Speaker 1: In the Hawks beat the New York Jets forty to

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Speaker 1: three to all. Fense look good, the defense look good.

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Speaker 1: People are gonna say ball, oh what they only beat

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Speaker 1: the Jets? What did they do well? They beat the

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Speaker 1: Jets forty to three, and that's the Jets worst loss.

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Speaker 1: They also again beat the Jets forty to three. That's

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Speaker 1: their biggest wins is twenty twelve when they beat the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals fifty eight to zero. Beggars can't be choosers in

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Speaker 1: this situation, like, you gotta take this win. What do

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Speaker 1: you say to all the people who are doubting the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks right now? Are just really critiquing them tough right now?

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Speaker 1: What's interesting is the Jets that came off the game

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Speaker 1: a week before where they should have been that the

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Speaker 1: game was over. There the Raiders that games over they're

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Speaker 1: gonna win. And Greg Williams does the dumbest thing in

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Speaker 1: the world. He does a zero blitz Nobody in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the field. He's got a free agent guy,

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Speaker 1: you know, probably played three games all year bites. Who

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Speaker 1: really is the safety who bites on a double move?

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Speaker 1: I go, dude, there is no double move when you're

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Speaker 1: trying to defend the goal line, right exactly. But whatever,

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Speaker 1: They should win that game, so coming into it, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't like and even the three games before their worst

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Speaker 1: loss was twenty to three to Miami, so they were

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Speaker 1: playing well No. One. And I'm gonna just chalk this

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Speaker 1: up to twenty twenty COVID freaky year. There's been so

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Speaker 1: many things freaky that people just say, let's start with

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Speaker 1: the negative. The negative was the Jets instead of we'll

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Speaker 1: look what the Seahawks did to them. And so how

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Speaker 1: about this? Because I did something with Dave Wyman earlier

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Speaker 1: today and he similar question, it's their competition. They'd played

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Speaker 1: the Jets the Giants in Philadelphia. I go, okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: let's let's increase his sample size. Let's go back five games.

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Speaker 1: That's really when things started to turn around. And the

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Speaker 1: first game was against Arizona. Do you remember where Arizona

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Speaker 1: was ranked offensively when we played them, Bingo the big

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Speaker 1: number one? And then we played the Rams where were

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Speaker 1: they ranked? Top five? Bengo? So is that a better

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Speaker 1: sample size? I think it is. Okay, So let's look

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Speaker 1: at that sample size because over the last five games,

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks have average defensively two hundred and eighty five

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Speaker 1: into today's rankings, that's umro was that number? I can't

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Speaker 1: do them? My spans. Isn't that game? So number one?

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Speaker 1: If you look at points scored sixteen a game that

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Speaker 1: a website you can go to. The last three games

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks of average defensively two hundred and forty one

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Speaker 1: across the NFL. The reason why I'm bringing this up

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Speaker 1: is remember where we started. Starter from the bottom now

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Speaker 1: get five six of those a game. That's ten percent

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Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks, I am game planning for the deep ball,

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Speaker 1: for the play action DK running a post Locke going

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Speaker 1: it seemed like they took it. I charted the very

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Speaker 1: The versatility. Now now you have the defense on the Hills.

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Speaker 1: They're like, we don't know what the heck they're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: We didn't prepare for this. Coach. You said they were

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Speaker 1: gonna fly across the middle at twenty yards, and we

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Speaker 1: didn't see any of that. That's what I liked about

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Speaker 1: the offensive approach. And then Russell Wilson is getting the

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Speaker 1: tempo doesn't mean that you're getting a playoff every fifteen seconds.

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Speaker 1: That means that when the ball is down, you are,

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Speaker 1: the guys are lining up on the ball quickly, and

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Speaker 1: So that's what I enjoy the most about that game.

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Speaker 1: So now let me ask you something. People were calling

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Speaker 1: and took some bullets for him. That's what loyal people do. Now, Now,

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Speaker 1: what should it be to the rest of the people listening, Well,

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Speaker 1: You are all accountable to each other. And we got

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Speaker 1: to play team defense. And that, to me is where

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Speaker 1: it flipped. Because I don't think we're necessarily calling things different.

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Speaker 1: We're still blitzing at a higher rate than in years past.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's not crazy. We're middle of the pack,

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Speaker 1: worst defensive all time. We're now twenty seventh in the league,

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Speaker 1: and I was looking at the teams ahead of us.

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Speaker 1: a good offense, but they're not a great offense. I

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Speaker 1: think San Francisco is certainly struggling. We'll see how the

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Speaker 1: RAM game plays out. We got a chance, and this

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Speaker 1: would be nuts if we cracked the top twenty. But

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Speaker 1: to be the defensive Coach of the Year, but it's

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Speaker 1: certainly the second half. He probably should be defensive coach

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Speaker 1: of the year. But he saved his job. People can

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Speaker 1: kid want to be Yeah, and I remember what we've done.

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Speaker 1: We basically have a whole new secondary Other than Griffin

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Speaker 1: it Digs was part of our team last year, you know,

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Speaker 1: There's no OTAs, there's basically no camp. People think, oh,

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Speaker 1: That's not how it works. And it's why defenses were

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Speaker 1: so far behind the beginning of the year, and the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks I thought were even farther behind because the amount

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Speaker 1: of players that had to come into play. Well, I'm

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Speaker 1: at the average age and number of years of guys

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Speaker 1: So we're a very young football team that's starting to

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Speaker 1: really understand each other and trust each other. It's this

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Speaker 1: like the way they're playing right now, offensively and defensively.

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Speaker 1: If anybody struggled a bit last week, it was a

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Speaker 1: this defense, man, I've seen them in a bare front.

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Speaker 1: They're getting to fifty front, five guys on that line

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Speaker 1: gonna look at and say, man, that they scored twenty

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Speaker 1: three points. Guess who scored fourteen of those points for

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Speaker 1: the Washington football team. The defense? All right, so the

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Speaker 1: offense I respected. I look at Haskins, I look at

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith. Haskins has armed talent. Decision making is horrible. Man,

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Speaker 1: he plays, you see it. You see why he was

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Speaker 1: drafted high. But his decision making is suspect right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, his first couple of drives after he

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Speaker 1: drafted him. Yeah. I mean he's got a good arm,

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Speaker 1: he's accurate. And then I'll say there was two drives

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Speaker 1: And I hope we have more of those if we

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Speaker 1: need those, because if he's the first two series, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a tough game. They have a good running attack.

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Speaker 1: the run game. Um, they're they're dangerous offensively. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's where they're gonna beat us. But when you

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Speaker 1: lose as much as they've lost over the last few years,

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Speaker 1: you got a lot of high picks. I mean, they've

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Speaker 1: got some guys on that front four it's it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a This is gonna be a defensive battle, I believe. Yep.

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Speaker 1: They remind me of the forty nine is how they're

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Speaker 1: building their football team, starting with that defensive line. But

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Speaker 1: you to get those those top picks. That's what they've

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Speaker 1: been in the last few years. But they are back

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Speaker 1: Week fifteen opony with Sam four Tier from the Washington Post.

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Speaker 1: talk to Sam for Tier from the Washington Post. Sam,

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Speaker 1: how you doing, mam, I'm doing well. Thank you guys

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Speaker 1: for having me, Thanks for joining us. I feel like

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Speaker 1: of course, Man, as a former interning at the Seattle

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling the energy right now. And I'm feeling the energy. Hey, Sam, So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is it like it's like two seasons

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith gets banged up. Well we'll see if he

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Speaker 1: A lot of coaches say that, right, but he backs

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Speaker 1: real excited for what I think is going to be

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Speaker 1: actually a really good game. Hey, Sam, Man, I appreciate you. Hey,

426
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,959
Speaker 1: you gave me a lot of Northwest vibes man, And

427
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: you know, we appreciate your energy, you staying up and

428
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 1: dealing with us. Hope you have a great weekend, and

429
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 1: I hope that these Hawks get it done. Man. Oh Man,

430
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you saying that. I hope to get back

431
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 1: to the Northwest as soon as we can start traveling more. Huh, yes, sir,

432
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Speaker 1: talk to you soon, Sam. Thanks, guys. All right, coming

433
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Speaker 1: up next, we'll chat with Seahawks defensive lineman L. J.

434
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Speaker 1: Collier right here on Hawks Live. Hawks Slive, brought to

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Speaker 1: Seattle Hawks Live every Thursday right here from Lomanfield on

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Speaker 1: seven ESPN along with me, Michael Bumps and my guy

439
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Speaker 1: Paul Moyer. And now now we get to talk to

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00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 1: TCU LJ. Cally. How are you doing today, man, I'm good.

441
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: How are you guys? Man? Hey, you know we're hanging

442
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 1: in there, hanging in there. Hey, So my first question

443
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: you is last season started off ruff I believe you

444
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 1: had a high chole spring. You missed a few games,

445
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: and I told people coming into this season, I go, man,

446
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 1: LJ is still kind of like a rookie to me,

447
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: like a rookie sophomore, really trying to feel the game out.

448
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: I've seen your progression throughout this season. How are you

449
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 1: feeling out there is a game swing down, You're feeling confident?

450
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: What's your game like so far? Oh? Yeah, I've definitely

451
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 1: made strides this season from last year. Last season was

452
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: man Like, I wouldn't say it was like this year

453
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: is my rookie year again, but you know, I thought,

454
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 1: you gotta live and learn from your mistakes. Man, you

455
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: gotta go through stuff. And I feel like I needed

456
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 1: to go through last year to appreciate things, to appreciate

457
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: life more and appreciate this game more. So I'm taking

458
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: everything and step at the time, a game at a time,

459
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,239
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, and I'm like, I've just made them

460
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: way bigger jumps from last year and this year. So yeah,

461
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm pleased with my game and I've let some

462
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: plays out there and stuff, but you know, I'm learning

463
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 1: from every game. So yeah, LJ. We've had a few

464
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: guys from Texas on our Thursday Hawks Live show. I

465
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: think we had ugu Amati the other day, and you

466
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: are from Monday, Texas, thirteen hundred people. My kids, by

467
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: the way, just moved to Dallas. So any time I

468
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 1: hear somebody from from Texas, I'm excited the fact that

469
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: I'm going to get a chance to go out and

470
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: see them in a few weeks. But, um, you were

471
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 1: miked up this year, you know, so again here you

472
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: are a young man from small town. What what? What?

473
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Speaker 1: What's it like to be miked up because I was listed?

474
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: You're really a positive guy, so what is it invasive?

475
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about them putting a mic on you.

476
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Speaker 1: What's that liking? Two? Are you like that or are

477
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Speaker 1: you aware of being miked up along the way? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you kind of be aware of your trounds and what

479
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: you're saying and so so I'm really like a genda game.

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00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 1: I'm locked in, I'm religious trying to I don't really

481
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 1: say too much any of them quite. I hit it there,

482
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Speaker 1: I'm intensive God, but I really quiet most of the

483
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: time being the game. Every one while I say something,

484
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: but what the world's on the mic? Loud? What the

485
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: most of is like, but if we're saying, but yes,

486
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: sometimes you do kind of watch what you say doing

487
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 1: the sack as you know you're mic though. It is

488
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: fun to watch and listen and also to watch it

489
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Speaker 1: and man, in fact, there's two sacks. One was for money,

490
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: and I thought you were the reason for You had

491
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: a speed rush that you know, forced Fitzpatrick to step

492
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: up in the pocket and he got a sack. And

493
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Speaker 1: then the other one you ran a really nice stunt

494
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Speaker 1: which I think Poona Ford got in a sack on

495
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: and the guard and a good members the guard couldn't

496
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Speaker 1: come off, and so Poona got that. And you know

497
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: what that came across is you just get excited for

498
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: other guys success as well, and then you know, is

499
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: that something just from your upbringing. I'm a team player

500
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: for his dog, It's always just been about shit. I'm

501
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: my teammates excited when I make plays, won't be excited

502
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: for when they make played. And I'm always did that way.

503
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: I like winning on I'm on a team for the

504
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: guard to like to make play, So I'm always gonna

505
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Speaker 1: be excited for somebody when they make a man, especially

506
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: when it's a damn good play so and they work good.

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Speaker 1: One team player. Hey, lja, you guys have turned this

508
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: thing around. The beginning of the season. Everyone's talking about

509
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Speaker 1: where the sacks gonna come from, and they need to

510
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: do this and that. But slowly but surely, you guys

511
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: have gotten together. One do you listen to all the noise?

512
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: And two? Man, the D line swag gotta be on

513
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: point right now? Oh yeah, man, nobody listened to the outside.

514
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: I know. Do you listen to that stuff? Man? Why

515
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: are you gonna play? Because everybody gets it and everybody

516
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 1: got something to say because everybody feel like they can

517
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: do it. So now I don't listen to that no more. Man.

518
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: Everybody got something to say, how I should do since

519
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: I should play? How many sacks I should have? But no,

520
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: I mean the D line has came out of the unit. Well, lockdown.

521
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: Everybody has a point to prove if everybody wants to play,

522
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: everybody wants it and really is a whole deepense. But

523
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Speaker 1: if a D line as a whole, like, yeah, man,

524
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: we should it's time. Like we waited long enough. So

525
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: the additions like Carlos and stuff like that. We got

526
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Speaker 1: some guys come on and things like that. So yeah, like,

527
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Speaker 1: I'm pleased to have the d line play. It's been

528
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: it's been hit to turn around and maybe you look

529
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: at the first eight games of the year and over

530
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: the last five games, you really could probably go back

531
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: six or seven games. Know what. Some people talk about

532
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: that accountability meeting, But what was it like for Ken

533
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: Norton For you guys, I mean, that's tough as a

534
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: coach when you're struggling the first four yards. Just from

535
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: a statistic standpoint, you know, what do you think has

536
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: been the turnaround the last five games? Cold? Man? If

537
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: you know coach Norton like I do, Man, he's a

538
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: positive guy. He's gonna push, he's gonna get his best

539
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: out of people. He knows Bobby, he knows kJ he

540
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: knows what how many players they've made in the future.

541
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: I mean in the past. Those guys know, man, they

542
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: know they're gonna get out of people and they know

543
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: where they can get out of us. So it's the

544
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: same week, the same thing. Every week. They push you

545
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: can be our best. So we tried new things. We've

546
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: learning from our mistakes. So no, man, Coach Norton, like

547
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: we've done different things like the night with the hotel

548
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: and things like that, talking things out. So yeah, man,

549
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: it's really been like nice, like that coach Norton, like,

550
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: if you know anything about it, man, you know then

551
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: he's a strong hit of guy and then stuff like that.

552
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: So he's gonna put forward every week and he's gonna

553
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: thanks who he is, just as some losses. You know. Yeah, sorry, man. LJ.

554
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: Always asked this question every chance I get because me

555
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: and Paul were from California moved up here to the Northwest.

556
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: You're from Texas. Well, has the transition been like and

557
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: are you enjoying just life in the Pacific Northwest. Last

558
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: year it was a little rough with the getting dark

559
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: at four and the rain and the cold. I wasn't

560
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: doing as well. But this year I'm definitely cool with it. Man.

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00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: If it's tray, I like it out here. Man. It's

562
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: definitely a different transition, a different vibe. I like, I

563
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: can go home in the off season get the Texas vibe,

564
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: and then I can come out here and get a

565
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: whole completely different vibe. You know. I like it out

566
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: here different, you know, I like different things. So it

567
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: is different. Because my kids keep reminding me how sunny

568
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: and warm it is Dallas, and hey, dad has has

569
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: some forty degree weather right now. But hey, I'm gonna

570
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: take it back to high school. I watched your highlight

571
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: reel and uh, you played tight end and kind of

572
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: a week. I don't a weak side defensive end that

573
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: they were calling it, but you were playing defensive end

574
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: mostly with your hand down. I watched you as a

575
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: tight end, Ljude. You were about six two, like two

576
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: or five to ten. I don't know. You were tall

577
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: and gangly, but you have some skills as a tight end.

578
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: Were you recruited as a tight end coming out of

579
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: high school? No, man, I went to a type of

580
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: school where we ran the ball, but every once in

581
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: a while my coach and told me the ball and

582
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: I could do a little thing with it back in

583
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: the day. And because not playing a skill positions all

584
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: through one of a kid and in junior high did

585
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: switch the tight end to high school. Because you know,

586
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: most of my cousins and friends play running back, and

587
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, if you're out time a team guys, So

588
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: I owned a tight endcase. I'm six two and ship

589
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: I played DN two and I could do better for

590
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: my job right there. But now I wasn't recruited at

591
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: it because I wouldn't getting the ball enough and I

592
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: really didn't have to stay for well they ran ran.

593
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: I saw the middle screen a couple of times that

594
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: they threw it in. There was a couple of go routes.

595
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you got skill running the football,

596
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: you had good hands, and so I was impressed with

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00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: you there. So tell me about the recruiting process, because

598
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: I was looking at it. It said you originally verbal

599
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: committed or committed to Texas Tech. It looks like Baylor

600
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: was in there. You know, you're you grew up Texas

601
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: not that far from from TCU. But just talk about

602
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: that whole recruiting experience and how you ended up at TCU. Really, man,

603
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: I recruited to Tech. A lot of friend that uh

604
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: they played there, and uh they were recruiting him. The

605
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: name was bet Paul. He was on the team up

606
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: my quarterback and we stuff went there and things didn't

607
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: work out with him, stuff like that, and my recruiter

608
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: sonny Combe, went to TCU and I and then like

609
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: Tech kind of pulled off after that. They were like,

610
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 1: well we don't really know and stuff like that, and

611
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: they kind of like pulled off, weren't talk from me

612
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: one because I was having trouble getting my act scored

613
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: and stuff, so they thought they were I wasn't going

614
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: to make the make be able to get in. They

615
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: were talking about gray shirting me and everything like that.

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Speaker 1: And this isn't my basketball season, my junior year. I'm

617
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: my senior in high school and so I'm just like, man, well,

618
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Speaker 1: well I've been committed here since last year all this

619
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: other stuff, and the coach told me this on Tuesday night.

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00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: So I texted Coach Comby and asked him what did

621
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Speaker 1: he think about text? I mean about TCU, And he said, well,

622
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: I'll talk to coach t about it and show him

623
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Speaker 1: your highlights and see what he says. Well, you know,

624
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: after that, Tech was out and he showed Coach p

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00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: that was this is Tuesday. I went through the week

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00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: that following that next Monday, Coach Comby called me back

627
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: and told me the tcle and they were going to

628
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: offer me a full ride and they invited me after

629
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: the Junior day like the next weekend. And after that,

630
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: man like, I went to the junior day and that

631
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: was it. Like I met like a few guys there

632
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: and most of them didn't even go to TCU. Besides,

633
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: like a few of them, it's not like Austin Slowman.

634
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: He plays for the the Denver Broncos now, And it's

635
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: just like stuff like that, man, and like, and then

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Speaker 1: I moved into summer, like I didn't really know anything

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Speaker 1: about TCU. I didn't know much, man, Like, I just

638
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: know I wanted to play ball, Like I just showed

639
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Speaker 1: up their type stuff, and I know what I wanted

640
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: to play football. I don't know what I want saying Monday.

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Speaker 1: So I held my way out and I took it

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Speaker 1: all right, LJ. Man, let me let me into the

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00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: defensive Lineman film room. Now, if I'm outside looking in,

644
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: it seems like Dunlop is the big personality. It seems

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00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,719
Speaker 1: like Poona is low key. But something tells me Poona

646
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: has a lot more to say than he leads on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure, that's my dog man. He doesn't have a

648
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: lot of more to say. Here, Quila back guy always alight,

649
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Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm sorry, go ahead. So but for sure,

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Speaker 1: Jay reason, he's really the head guy in the room.

651
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: But Lows is a very He's the funny personality. Man.

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00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: I like the guy he brings back swag to him.

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00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: He brings great ensy to the room. But Poona has

654
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: more to say that you guys think though, Oh yeah,

655
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Speaker 1: he's he's he's been playing well. You guys got some

656
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: good young guys. So you mentioned basketball in high school.

657
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Speaker 1: I don't know too many guys who play in the

658
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: NFL don't think they're a great basketball player. So I'm

659
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Speaker 1: just a defensive line because Tyler Lockett thinks he's the

660
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Speaker 1: best shooter on the team. Who's the best basketball player

661
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: on the defensive line? An all around player. I'm gonna

662
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: take myself indade, but because when we go up and

663
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: me shooting for the team things you've always done the best.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not even gonna sit here in camp like pooling.

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Speaker 1: Got it right now? Part about player on one on one,

666
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take myself, but shooting, yeah, and picking fast

667
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: along and so long. So when you're rescue, your rescue

668
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: and he got a shot on him, all right, LJ wet.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you taking time out of your day. I know,

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Speaker 1: just Scar deside. You guys are back and forth watching film.

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Speaker 1: Have a great weekend and good luck. I appreciate having

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Speaker 1: me on thanking all right, Paul Morier, we got you

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00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: covered all things Seahawks and the NFL as of the Professor.

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Speaker 1: John Clayton joins us next on Hawkslive. Hawks Slide brought

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Speaker 1: ESPN Seattle Hawkslive every Thursday. This is the last Thursday, though,

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Speaker 1: Paul Moyer, I shouldn't clap for that. It would just

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Speaker 1: clap them because we have the man, the man, the man,

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Speaker 1: the myth, the legend. John Clayton is joining us right

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Speaker 1: here on Hawks Live. John, how are you doing doing well?

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Speaker 1: How about you guys? You know we're doing well, doing

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Speaker 1: our right. This is our last one. I am sad,

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Speaker 1: you know we do. Let's just get on like a

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Speaker 1: group call every Thursday after this, John, Okay, sounds good.

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Speaker 1: You know, if there's some sponsors out there, we could

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Speaker 1: keep this going. Think so, okay, keep it wrong, John,

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Speaker 1: This Washington football team defensive line is pretty scary. And

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Speaker 1: if Brandon Shell isn't there, I'm a big concern. I

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Speaker 1: feel like there are guys who've had experience that spot.

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Speaker 1: But what's the status of Shell right now? I still

692
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Speaker 1: wonder if he's going to try to go out there,

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Speaker 1: because I know early in the week, even though he

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Speaker 1: hasn't practice in the last two days, Pete said, it's

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00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: about the same as it was last week, and he

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Speaker 1: almost made it through the first half. So I'm just

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Speaker 1: kind of wondering, are they just saving him from practice

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Speaker 1: to give him a chance to go out there, and

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Speaker 1: of course if anything goes wrong, then they'll take him

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Speaker 1: out quickly. You know, Cedric Aboulle looks like he has

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Speaker 1: a decent chance of playing. Doesn't look good for Jamarco Jones,

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Speaker 1: and that naturally still have Chad Wheeler. But they need

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Speaker 1: shell for this one because again, you've got five first

704
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Speaker 1: round defensive linemens that are in a rotation. They're that good.

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Speaker 1: You got Chase Young who probably is gonna end up

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Speaker 1: being the defensive rookie of the year, and you're able

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Speaker 1: to get such great pressure on the quarterback. But it

708
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: was funny because I was actually looking at this right

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Speaker 1: before came down here to talk to you guys. Is

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Speaker 1: that okay, what's the similarity with the Washington football team

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Speaker 1: and the San Francisco forty nine ers And the answer

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Speaker 1: is those are the two teams that you use more

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Speaker 1: draft choices in the first round on defensive linemen than

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Speaker 1: anybody else. And so I went back and I looked,

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Speaker 1: and despite the fact that San Francisco had such a

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Speaker 1: great defensive line last year, particularly with the addition of

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Speaker 1: Nick Boza to go along with three former first round picks,

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Speaker 1: you know, Seattle was able to score like twenty seven

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Speaker 1: and twenty one points in the two games. And in

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Speaker 1: the first game that they won, and I think they

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Speaker 1: scored twenty seven and had only one sack allowed, and

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00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: Russell had a good day passing. And then in that

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Speaker 1: last game of the season, you know, he was sacked

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Speaker 1: about five times, but still was able to get some

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Speaker 1: twenty one points and really was right down there at

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Speaker 1: the goal line with a chance to get the game

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Speaker 1: tying the game touchdown to try to put it ahead.

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Speaker 1: But then unfortunately there was no a non call on

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Speaker 1: Jacob Hollister on that interference that kind of held everything back.

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Speaker 1: So you know, you can manage as long as Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 1: you know, basically relies on not throwing the ball forty times.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I just went through this staf at is

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Speaker 1: that you know in the Times that he's throwing the

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Speaker 1: ball forty plus times. His record is four and thirteen.

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Speaker 1: So the big thing is, don't let Russ Cook have

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Speaker 1: a balanced offense, try to run to football and then

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Speaker 1: try to make sure that Russell gets rid of the

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Speaker 1: ball with underneath routes, checkdowns, screen passes, and occasionally a

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Speaker 1: play action pass. Yeah, you mentioned Washington's defensive line seventeen

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Speaker 1: first round pick, Alan defensive tackle, eighteen first round pick

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Speaker 1: Paying defensive tackle, nineteen sweat and last year obviously Chase

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Speaker 1: Young or this year Chase Young. They're they're they're they're

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Speaker 1: very gifted. Hey, I'm gonna stay on the injury front.

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00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: Quentin Dunbar and Rashad Penny. Just the updates on those two. Well,

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Speaker 1: it looks good on Penny because Brian shot Hiber today.

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Speaker 1: I say, he looks great in practice, and he looks fast,

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00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: he looks explosive. So you kind of get the idea

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Speaker 1: that he's going to be maybe on the active roster

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Speaker 1: for this game, just to try to get him back

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Speaker 1: in grain. Now, where would that roster spot come from,

751
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: because they have to make a bunch of roster moves

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00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: this week. Probably Travis Homer because Travis has been fighting

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00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: that knee injury. But there's a chance. I think the

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Speaker 1: Penny might be able to get out there and go

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Speaker 1: in and be the third running back, and so that

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Speaker 1: can be good as far as Dunbar is still kind

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Speaker 1: of shaky because I don't know if they want to

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Speaker 1: risk it with the foot injury. The foot seem like

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00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: it's still a little bit messed up, and if that's

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Speaker 1: going to be the case, you save him for the

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Speaker 1: Rams game. But they really do need Dunlap Carlos out

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Speaker 1: there because again Carlos is just such a good player.

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Speaker 1: You know that they're going to have Quentin Dunbar available

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Speaker 1: because again I think he's through the knee injury. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's now served out to three weeks that he needed

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Speaker 1: to go, so I think he's going to be available.

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Speaker 1: So in the end, you know, it's not that banged

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Speaker 1: up of a team. But again, the key injuries right

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Speaker 1: now are Dunlap and Brandon Shell. All right, John, I

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Speaker 1: mus switch gears and go Monday Night football. My guy

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Speaker 1: Lewis Riddick, who I call mister three piece suit, is

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Speaker 1: he's up for some GM interviews. Do you where do

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Speaker 1: you think he'll land and then who do you think

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00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: will replace him in the boot? Good question about replacing

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Speaker 1: him into booth because I'm not sure where that's going

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Speaker 1: to go because it's such a changing thing. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm a big Lewis guy. I mean that guy. Remember

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00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: through some connections of different people that we're going to

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Speaker 1: take that job. I actually put his name in when

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Speaker 1: I was at ESPN, and sure enough he ended up

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Speaker 1: getting it. Because I think, am I right in saying this, Paul,

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Speaker 1: you probably know this? Maybe more? Isn't he related to

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Speaker 1: related to Nesby Glasgow? I don't know. I think he

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Speaker 1: was l yea lab Glasgow because I know that, you know,

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Speaker 1: they were talking to Nesby for a job and it

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Speaker 1: just didn't work out, and so then there is at ESPN,

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Speaker 1: and so then the next recommendation at least I threw

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Speaker 1: him was Lewis Riddick because that's what Nesby told me

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Speaker 1: to do, and we did it. And look how great

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Speaker 1: he is. But at the moment, he's interviewing in Houston,

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Speaker 1: he's interviewing in Detroit. We'll see if he gets an

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Speaker 1: interview in Atlanta. But I think he's good enough to

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Speaker 1: get one of these jobs. I would never leave the booth.

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Speaker 1: He's got the most cushioning, no stress job in the world.

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Speaker 1: But you know it, sometimes that money talks. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: not even money, it's the competitive spirit just drives. He's got,

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Speaker 1: you know, to go compete, you know, best to the best.

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Speaker 1: And it was funny. I was actually gonna ask that

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Speaker 1: question as well, John, if the Seahawks play the same

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Speaker 1: let's just say they run the table. Yeah, who's the

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Speaker 1: one team that doesn't match up well for the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: and the playoffs? Well, of course, I mean if they

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Speaker 1: win it. I mean you could say it could be

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Speaker 1: the Rams, but then they will have beaten the Rams

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Speaker 1: and they have one win and one loss against them.

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Speaker 1: So and again, because the Rams have such a good defense,

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Speaker 1: which I'm still stunned at, because you know, other than

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Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey and Aaron Donald and maybe Michael Brocker's you

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Speaker 1: can't even name the other eight starters, I'd say, you know,

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Speaker 1: because I think they can match up well against green Bay.

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Speaker 1: They matched up well last year, and you know, Green

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Speaker 1: Bay is still not really good at stopping the run.

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Speaker 1: So as long as they don't let Russ cook too much,

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Speaker 1: I think they can do it. New More, I think

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Speaker 1: is going to be a tough team because I think

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Speaker 1: that there's more talent. I mean, at one point last

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Speaker 1: week they entered a week as a number one defense

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Speaker 1: in football, and you know Drew Brees should be back

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Speaker 1: by then with a very potent offense. So I think

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Speaker 1: New Orleans probably is the toughest team at the moment.

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Speaker 1: But again, Green Bay more than likely. He's going to

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Speaker 1: have the game in Green Bay as a number one seed,

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Speaker 1: they close out with such an easy schedule, you know

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Speaker 1: they should get the thirteen wins. John. Beginning of this season,

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Speaker 1: everyone's talking about the Seahawks defense what they can and

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Speaker 1: can't do. But nowadays they've turned it around. Paul Moore

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Speaker 1: spent out some stats for us. They are probably the

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Speaker 1: best defense the last three weeks, depending on how you

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Speaker 1: look at it. So now they are number nine in

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Speaker 1: the league when it comes to sacks. Has this been

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Speaker 1: the biggest turnaround you've seen from a unit when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the Seattle Seahall, Oh, no question, because again

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Speaker 1: but it was nine sacks in the first six games

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, and I know Dave David

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Speaker 1: Wyman were going I call him David, but Dave Wyman.

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Speaker 1: You know, David Wyman, we all think the thirty nine

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Speaker 1: forty sacks is where you need to be. And for

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Speaker 1: a team that only twenty eight last year and nine

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Speaker 1: in the first six weeks, or sitting there at thirty six,

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00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 1: think about that. I mean since what week, really, since

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Speaker 1: to the Arizona game that they won when they had

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Speaker 1: seven sacks, they've led the league in sacks. I never

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Speaker 1: thought that was going to happen, and they've done it

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Speaker 1: now in the last two weeks without Carlos Dunlap, and

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Speaker 1: so that's good. And of course once Dunlap came to

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Speaker 1: this team, he had four sacks and four weeks that

847
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: looked good. And then of course, you know, I know

848
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: Paul was fast as far as being in the secondary,

849
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: well maybe not fast. But to see Jamal Adams have

850
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,959
Speaker 1: eight and a half sacks in nine weeks a fact

851
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: what I think he entered the week as the twelfth

852
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: best sack guy in football and he's a safety, which

853
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: is amazing. Jamal and I are about Sam speed, h

854
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: John success. You often Lee lose assistant coaches. We lost

855
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: Gus Bradley lost Damn Quinn. Now let's talk about Brian

856
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: Schottenheimer's there. Do you see anything playing out there. There's

857
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: been talk about maybe Houston and him getting some interest. Yeah,

858
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: I think he's going to get an interview down in Houston.

859
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: I don't know about any other place. And the reason

860
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: for his interest in the interest in him in Houston.

861
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a quarterback coach down in Houston,

862
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: so they know him down there, and so that could

863
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: be that could be a fit. But you know, it's

864
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: gonna be tough competition if that's going to be the case,

865
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: because you have Eric Bienemy, who's going to be in there.

866
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: I think Eberflus, the defensive coordinator in Indianapolis, is going

867
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: to be in the mix. And you know what's interesting

868
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: is that And this is what you kind of wonder

869
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: because they've got too many cooks in the kitchen. I

870
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: guess you want to say not with Russ cook. But

871
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: it goes to the ownership cooking right now, because you know,

872
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: not only do they have Jed Hughes as the guy

873
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: that is running the search, but also as a GM.

874
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: They now have a committee, a committee that has Tony

875
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: Dungee and several other former players and former executives around

876
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: the league that are trying to at least go in there,

877
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: So you kind of wonder, it's like, is that too many?

878
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: Because basically hate to say this, but the owner, cal

879
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: McNair knows very little about what to do in football,

880
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: so he's hired just about everybody to work both jobs,

881
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: the coach and the GM John two questions or I

882
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: don't even a two questions, I guess, or two questions.

883
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: One is I'm about to give you the floor. This

884
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: is your time, so what's on your mind? But I

885
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: want you to answer that, and I also want you

886
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: to tie in as we get towards Christmas. What is

887
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: your favorite drink as you get towards Christmas? Well, I

888
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: mean my favorite drink because I'm pretty consistent and at

889
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: is going to be one. I was drinking more Cabernet before,

890
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: but just to kind of, you know, stay not get

891
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: too big, I've been going with charton a so it's

892
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: like and that's a consistent thing. So it's like it

893
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: was funny because of one of the people I was

894
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: talking to today says, hey, where's a good place to

895
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: buy cheap Scotch? And it's like, I have no idea.

896
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,959
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, you know, certainly I like Cora's White,

897
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: there's no question about that. Love that because you know

898
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: it's such a great taste in that regard. But pretty much,

899
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a big kind of a charton a guy,

900
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: but I guess Chardonnay and Coors Light would be my

901
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: two favorites now, as far as you know you're asking me,

902
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: It's like what people haven't asked is how does the

903
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: schedule look going down to stretch? And it's kind of amazing.

904
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: And that's why it's going to be so interesting and

905
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: watching the result of the Charger game against the Raiders,

906
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: because in the final forty eight games of the season,

907
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: including tonight, there's forty games, forty games where a winning

908
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: team is facing a losing team. There's only eight games

909
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: right now where a winning team is facing a winning team,

910
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: and there's only one this week where you have Kansas

911
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: City going against New Orleans, and so next week there's

912
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: going to be maybe five. And you look at it

913
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: and you say, there's only two teams right now that

914
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: have that are winning records, playoff caliber teams that have

915
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: to face a winning team twice. One is Pittsburgh because

916
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: they have to face Indie in Cleveland, and then the

917
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: other is the you know, the Rams because they have

918
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: to face Seattle in Arizona. But I'm just amazed to

919
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: think now our upsets going to play into it or

920
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: it's going to be like this year, we're roughly eighty

921
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: percent of the times a winning team took on a

922
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: losing team the winning team one. That is a great statistic.

923
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: And I would stay with cabernet. Yeah, Cabernet is good. Yeah,

924
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: all right, John A will you sip that cabernet and

925
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 1: if you really want to cook it, get some pulling

926
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: water bush slide baby. Oh there you go. All right, John,

927
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: you have a good night. And as always, this is

928
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: the last time we're gonna say this. You stay funky, baby. Yeah.

929
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: But of course we'll get to talk Sunday, Yes we will. Yeah,

930
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 1: thanks John? All right? Is this is this season NFC

931
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: championship or bus? Will Brian Schinehammer be an NFL coach

932
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: next year? And did Lamar Jackson do what we think

933
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: he did last night on Monday? Last Monday? Come on,

934
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: guys on Monday, palm more and I turn up the

935
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: heat on talk that talk right on hawk Slide. It's

936
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: time to Talk that Talk with Michael Buppus and Paul

937
00:45:51,040 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: Moyer on Hawkslide. One of my favorite segments of all times.

938
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: It's talk that Talk, Me and Paul Moyer get some

939
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: stuff off of our chest. Yeah, so the first one

940
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: and one eight and one more like one in eight. Yeah. Hey,

941
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: and side note, I caught you in the Sunday predictions

942
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: for poor Wins. I'm proud of you. All right, thanks

943
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: that all right? The first question I'm gonna ask you,

944
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: Paul Moyer, if the Seahawks don't advance to at least

945
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship this season, is it a failure. No,

946
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: it's not, um, not at all. And let's start where

947
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: the beginning of this year started. What the predictions were

948
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: for the Seahawks. They were predicted to be in the

949
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: top three and the NFC West, and they start off

950
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: five and and the rest history. But here's why, Um,

951
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: to me, this was a bit of a rebuild year

952
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: for the Seahawks and what they've done. And if you

953
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: go and look at the median starting age for the Seahawks,

954
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: and there's the guys who have played and I'm gonna

955
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: go down this a little bit, So give me a

956
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: little time. It's four years. If you go and look

957
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: at the average aids of this team on starters, it's

958
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: four and a half years. And so I just want

959
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: to say, what's the upside? Right, So I've got one, two, three,

960
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: I've got six guys, six guys who are thirty years

961
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: and older. Russell Wilson, we still have upside. I would say, yes,

962
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: I have Carlos hiding there. I'm gonna skip him because

963
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: really he's a backup, but he big time playing time.

964
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: I'd say he's on the second half of his career. Carlos, Yeah,

965
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: m Carlos done lap, I would say, probably in the

966
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: second half, but still very These are all productive guys.

967
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: kJ right, guys, I'm telling you what. He's got, fountain

968
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: of youth. All of a sudden, he's playing the best

969
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: football he's played, maybe in his career the last two years.

970
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: But again, there's another third. Bobby Wagner. Still really productive.

971
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: Maybe not where he was you know, a few years ago,

972
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: but pretty productive. Um, you got you, Patty, You've got

973
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: Dwayne Brown. Those are our thirty and older guys. So

974
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna go through these real quick for you.

975
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: Michael Dicks, I'm gonna throw a special team or third

976
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: year upside up Jason Myers. He's in his sixth year.

977
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: So I took all guys who are six years and under. Um,

978
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: you got dk Metcalf upside yep, Tyler Lockett six year upside.

979
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: You got Shaquille Griffin fourth year, Uguamanti second year, DJ

980
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: Read third year, Chris Carson fourth year, Jamal Adams fourth year,

981
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 1: Quandre dig sixth year, Jordan Brooks rookie. You've got Kyler Fuller,

982
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: by the way, who I think is gonna be up play. Yeah,

983
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: and he's in his fourth year. Um, you go to

984
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: Jordan Simmons. I think he's gonna be a player. Fourth year.

985
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 1: You've got rookie to me, Damian Lewis, a huge upside,

986
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: Brandon Shell. Brandon Hill's in his fifth year. Come on that.

987
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: By the way, it might be the best signing we've

988
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: had from the value. From that standpoint. You got Ethan

989
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: po Post fourth year, David Moore fourth year. You've got

990
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: Colby Parkinson. I think he's gonna be a player. I

991
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: was shocked what I saw it last week. Obviously a rookie.

992
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: You've got Will Disley third year, Jaren Reid fifth year, LJ.

993
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: Calli year, second year, Rasim Green, third year, Puna fourth,

994
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: third year Alton Robinson. I didn't even mention Taylor, who

995
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: hasn't even played. We are a young football team and

996
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: we started off hots. Right now, we've got everybody healthy,

997
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: our defense is coming around. So if we don't get

998
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: to the NFC Championship, well I'd be disappointed. Yes, failure,

999
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: not a chance. And what I think you know, John

1000
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: Schneider's put together this team. The average that's thirty two players,

1001
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: average years of experience four and a half. The media end.

1002
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: If I take some of the guys who've been ten

1003
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 1: years is four years. That's a young team. You ought

1004
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: to be excited disappointed. Yes, failure not a chance. Your

1005
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: thoughts failure. You know why because I'm a ball player, baby.

1006
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: This is what you expect. These guys expect to be

1007
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship. Failure, Carol expects to be in

1008
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship. Ken Norton, Schottenheimer, they all expect to

1009
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 1: be in the NFC Championship. You list all those young guys,

1010
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: this is a young man's game, Morior. You gotta get

1011
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 1: you got a team full of thirty plusure rows. You don't.

1012
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: You got a team full of thirty three year rows

1013
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: you expect to win an NFL championship. No, you need

1014
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: the twenty fours. You need the twenty fives, you need

1015
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: the twenty six And that's that's what these guys have.

1016
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: So I think, because I feel like I'm in the

1017
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: locker room, I'm in the film room. I put myself

1018
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: I wore number sixteen back in the day. I can't

1019
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: wear that number because sixteen is balling, Okay, so put

1020
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: me in a number that no one else wears, all right,

1021
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know what, if we don't want,

1022
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: if we don't if we don't at least make the

1023
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: NFAC Championship, it is a failure because those are their expectations,

1024
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: all right. I mean I gave my reasons. Why you

1025
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: check what you think? Failure? I mean failure is look

1026
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: failure to launch. There's a lot of failures. Just feels like, man,

1027
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: I suck right, disappointing. Think about who's in the NFC,

1028
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: the NFC as well man New Orleans with their defense.

1029
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: If you bring Drew Brees back Green Bay, Tampa Bay

1030
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: bit of an underachiever at this point, but they're still

1031
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: loaded with talent. We still have the rams, you know

1032
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: that we got to deal with. There's so much talent

1033
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: in the NFC and there's tough matchups. The reason why

1034
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's not a failure, I think a failure is, man,

1035
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: this is this is it's it's Super Bowl or bust.

1036
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: It's NFC Championship or bust. Because the next year San Francisco,

1037
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: next year they have forty guys that have to resign.

1038
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: Not happening, right, They're going to be in the decline.

1039
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: We kind of rebuilt what we did and we got

1040
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: guys who were young like Jamal Adams. Uh, I think digs,

1041
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: you know, the guys we've gotten, all the rookies who

1042
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: have played. Every rookie has contributed so far other than

1043
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: the differences. Failure to me means you didn't reach your

1044
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: goals or expectations. That's that's good. I can see where

1045
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: you come from. There. Me, it's goals, right, I failed

1046
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: to reach my goal. Therefore I'm a failure in that sense.

1047
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 1: Overalls organization, not a failure at all. What these guys

1048
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: have done has been really impressive. Ye. The guys they

1049
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: brought in, what Snyder has done, how the defense has rebounded.

1050
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: So I feel you. I think this is all perspective

1051
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: of how we look at the definition of this. So

1052
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: can I ask you, and we'll keep this from what

1053
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: was your goal of the Seahawks coming into the season

1054
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: NFC championship? Did you think so? By the way, you

1055
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: have not failed on Hawks life. You have exceeded expected.

1056
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: Where to have you? My friend? Well, quick point you

1057
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: got to think about is what's what's failure? What's not?

1058
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: The team went to the divisional playoffs and lost last year.

1059
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: So if you don't do better than last year, what

1060
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: do you think is that disappointment or failure? It's a

1061
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: difficult question. I think it's disappointment, not failure to your point,

1062
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: but if you don't do better than last year, it's

1063
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: hard to be satisfied with that. Yeah, I look, I

1064
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: will be very very disappointed if they don't. The voice

1065
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: of reason blessed us does have that nice come right?

1066
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: You know you know it's good, Yes, dad, Yes, We'll

1067
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: get home very safe. Um. A weird incident happened the

1068
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: other night. Lamar Jackson. Did he pull up Paul Pierce

1069
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: on Monday night football? Okay, So for all you who

1070
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: don't know what a Paul Pierce is. I forget what playoffs?

1071
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: Was that nas alice about three years ago? Its Lakers

1072
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: right talking like two Yeah, somewhere around there, Paul Pierce

1073
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: gets carried off of the court, put in in a wheelchair.

1074
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: He's off. We're thinking it's all over. All of a sudden,

1075
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: he comes trotting down the tunnel, he's ready to go,

1076
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: and then he comes back and he plays pretty well. Um,

1077
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: turns out he just had to do a number two.

1078
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: He's got to go sit down on a toilet. Yeah,

1079
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: he had to say he couldn't move. I get it.

1080
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: I've been there before, not on that stage. So is

1081
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: that what we saw with Lamar Jackson. It's hard to

1082
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: tell because on his way in, the cheeks seemed kind

1083
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: of tight, and he's he's kind of getting in there,

1084
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: but on his way out, the cheeks still seemed kind

1085
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: of tight, So it was like, maybe that muscle was

1086
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: still tight. I'm gonna go with Lamar and say that

1087
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: he really had some some muscle tightness, some cramps and

1088
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: have to figure that out. But if it was a

1089
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: paulp Here situation, does that make the legend that much greater. Oh,

1090
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: there's so many things to go with this. So okay,

1091
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna make myself fall on their ball here. Okay.

1092
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: So my sophomore year in college, I had this massive

1093
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: back pain, like I could barely move. My trainer came

1094
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: up to me and he was He goes, do you

1095
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: have to go to the bathroom? Like a Noah, And

1096
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: he goes, I want you to go to the bathroom.

1097
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: I swear the guy. I went to the bathroom, my

1098
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: back didn't hurt anymore. So that was one. Two. I've

1099
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: never seen that during a game a guy leave in

1100
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: the middle of the game. And Dave Wyman has the

1101
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: best bathroom stories. He should write a coffee book on

1102
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: bathroom stories because he has more accidents than anybody I know.

1103
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 1: And he but most of them happened before the game.

1104
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: Once you're in the game, I mean, you can kind

1105
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 1: of control that urge, right. So I've never ever seeing

1106
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: a guy leave that long. And he was gone a

1107
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: long time. I mean, that's a long time to go sit.

1108
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: He said he had to go get some IVS. I

1109
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: saw the video when he was jogging in the tunnel

1110
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: and through to go to the locker room, and when

1111
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: he got to that door, it was that moment. It

1112
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: looked like we're get out of my weight. I gotta

1113
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 1: go and I know that I'm gonna have to get

1114
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: these tight pants off, and I'm worried about it. Um

1115
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 1: I think he I think he had to go sit down.

1116
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: But that was a long sit for an important game.

1117
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: But I will say this, Lazarus number two came back.

1118
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: There's a pun in there somewhere someone gets at was

1119
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: one of the great comebacks of all time. The guy

1120
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: hurts his knee, the backup quarterback, he jogs out after

1121
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: finally wiping and comes back and leads the team, leads

1122
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: the team, threw a touchdown on fourth and five. All right,

1123
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: here's my question to you, Moyer. Ye are the Ehawks

1124
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: this defense? Yeah? Right, they haven't had the greatest year

1125
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: when you look at their numbers. Are they more of

1126
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: a bottom five defense right now or more of a

1127
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,479
Speaker 1: top five defense? That is such a that's a tough

1128
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: f It's a great question because we knew what happened

1129
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: after the first eight games, and really the first five

1130
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 1: games historically on pace for the worst team in history

1131
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: for defense. Their last five they're playing number one, not

1132
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: even top five number one. I think they're closer to

1133
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: top five, and I'm not sure they're either. I don't

1134
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: think they're really they're not bottom five. I don't think

1135
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: maybe they're top five. I think it's going to play

1136
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: out the next few weeks, and I want to see

1137
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: how they do against the Rams. We don't have a

1138
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: lot of great offenses we're going up against. I think

1139
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: we're probably a top ten defense though, I really do.

1140
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: I think the talent's there, But the question is better

1141
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 1: top five or bottom I think we're closer to the

1142
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: top five than bottom five. Yeah, you will not finish

1143
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: from where we started bottom five and defense now at all.

1144
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: I would. I would give them middle of the pack

1145
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: right now. If we're just gonna throw them about their

1146
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: middle of the pack, and that's saying a lot take

1147
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: it coming from where they started, you know what I mean?

1148
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: So now they are here, all right? Well, coming up next,

1149
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: we'll go inside the film room and revisit the biggest

1150
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: players from the Seahawks win over the Jets. That's around

1151
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: the corner on Hawks, Loot Hawks, Slid Brock, You Mac

1152
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: and Jack Screwing Company. Every Thursday from seven to nine

1153
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: live on air ESPN Seattle. You're listening to Hawks Live

1154
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: every Thursday, but this is the last Thursday you will

1155
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: hear me Michael Bumpus and my guy Paul Morier on

1156
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: seven ten ESPN and we'd live from Looman Field. Okay,

1157
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: we're going inside the film room. This is when Paul

1158
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: and then myself break down three plays and tell you

1159
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: what we're seeing. The first play we're looking at is

1160
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: when Russell Wilson finds Freddie Swain for a nineteen yard touchdown.

1161
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: Play fake Russ gonna scramble out to the right side

1162
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: and look at him out back in the end June.

1163
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: He's got in front touchdown Seahawks. It's Freddy Swain of

1164
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: the rookie standing all by, is lonesome on the back

1165
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: line of the end zone, and he catches the touchdown

1166
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: past his second on the season, and the Seahawks are

1167
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: on top six three on an absolutely beautiful drive to

1168
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: open this game from the Hawks. All right, So more

1169
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: this was hard for us to break down. There's a

1170
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on and a lot of stuff

1171
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: going around. Most you and I have argued about a

1172
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: play that we both thought was a no brainer, yeah,

1173
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, offensive guys are They're insane. But

1174
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead and describe this, all right. I'm

1175
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: gonna give you my perspective the offensive side, and then

1176
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: we'll talk to Moya over there. He'll give you the

1177
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: defensive side. All right. So what we got here is,

1178
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: UM's a simple two receivers at the top, one at

1179
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: the bottom. The tight end Kobe Parkinson releases. Okay, And

1180
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: the part that kind of hung us up is why

1181
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: didn't Russell Wilson hit Parkinson in the scene? We think

1182
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: there's a communication issue. This is a rookie tight end

1183
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: dealing with a veteran quarterback who knows what he sees.

1184
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: He sees that linebacker to that tighten side has tucked

1185
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: in that my perspective, he looks early to Kobe. Kobe's

1186
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: running the seam. He doesn't get his head around until

1187
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: it's too late. At that point, Russell Wilson is now

1188
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: looking to the other side of the field, and there's

1189
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: a safety in the middle of the field who just

1190
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: doesn't get death. I've never seen a safety who has

1191
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: deep responsibilities and he just doesn't get depth. On the

1192
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: right side, we have the other safety going to the

1193
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: deep third, another corner going to the deep third, and

1194
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: now that corner flies down to the flat. It's chaos,

1195
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: it looks like on this play, and Russell Wilson buys

1196
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: some time and finds the open man. This is one

1197
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: of those players where you just scratch your head. You

1198
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: tell you, guys, hey, what are you thinking? What's you see?

1199
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: Paul Moyer, what are you thinking? What's you see? Well?

1200
00:59:55,720 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: I think this probably tells the story better than anything.

1201
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: If how difficult this game is because you broke it

1202
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: down and you were sharing, Well, there's no throw there.

1203
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: So let me redescribe this. First of all, it's a

1204
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: four receivers and I'm gonna count to tighten as a

1205
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: receiver even though he's in tight. It's an all go, right,

1206
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: So I have both outside receivers release outside deep. Both

1207
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: the inside receivers are tighten in the slot. They run

1208
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: down the seam, so this is an all go route, right.

1209
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at this and brock Hewart actually sends

1210
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: me this clip to yesterday and he goes, Paul, what

1211
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: defense are they playing? I look at it really quick

1212
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: and I go, oh, they're trying to disguise a form

1213
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: of cover to robber. And what that means is they

1214
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: drop like their nickel and another safety to the deep

1215
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: half and they take their free safety like he's a

1216
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: deep third, but he doesn't give any depth. He's playing

1217
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: like a Tampa two. So if anybody runs down the middle,

1218
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,479
Speaker 1: he takes them. I would never in the red zone

1219
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: area because it gets it gets complicated. Well, then I

1220
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: re look at it again, I go, what are they running?

1221
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: They take both of their that their safety and there

1222
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: I just call it a nickel, I guess. And they

1223
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: run outside hard and they force both receivers the corners outside,

1224
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: and they bring the two safeties I'm gonna say safety

1225
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: and a nickel, and they run them like a deep third. Right,

1226
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: So now I'm like, okay, well the free safety. This

1227
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: is really a cover three, a three deep. Look. You

1228
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: got a free safety. And then the two guys are

1229
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: replacing the two corners as the deep third guys, so

1230
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: they're running outside. The two corners are playing essentially a

1231
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: cover two, even though you would never let the cover

1232
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: two guys go outside. That's why this is a three deep. Look.

1233
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: Here's the weakness of a three deep zone. The weakness

1234
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: of a three deep zone is seam routes, so you

1235
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: always teach the people run with the seam routes if

1236
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: you're a linebacker or whoever's got the hook routes. Right,

1237
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: neither one of these linebackers run with the hook round.

1238
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: So both of the number two receivers running to go

1239
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: down to see him are wide open. But what's interesting

1240
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: is you said Russell looked at it was Parkinson and

1241
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: he wasn't looking back at him, so he said, I

1242
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: can't throw it to him. I never thought about that before.

1243
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: So Russell comes off a quick which he shouldn't have

1244
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: in my opinion, because if he just waited a fraction

1245
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: a second later, you go, this is wide ope, is stealing.

1246
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: He comes backside, doesn't see that one either. He scrambles

1247
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: out and it was The rest is history. I think

1248
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: he just did it on purpose to get Freddie Swayne

1249
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: the touchdown. But the reason why I'm going to come

1250
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: back to my original comment, and this is really long,

1251
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: and I apologize, but this is how complex and how

1252
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: quick of decisions you have to make. Russell looks, he goes,

1253
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: receiver's not looking at me. I feel the rush. I

1254
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: getta get out. I'm gonna come backside. See him seems

1255
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: out there, okay, and all of a sudden, Freddie Swayne

1256
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: works backside, which, by the way, Freddie was probably the

1257
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: fifth guy he was gonna look for. And he gets

1258
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: the touchdown. And that's why we pay Russell Wilson thirty

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Speaker 1: some forty million bucks. Who whatever it is, it's worth it.

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Speaker 1: It's worth the Russell Wilson showed his worth on that play. Okay.

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Speaker 1: The next play, Russell Wilson finds David Moore for a

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Speaker 1: three yard touchdown. Ross gets the shotgun, snap, looks to

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Speaker 1: the end zone, steps away from one man, throws the

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Speaker 1: back of the end zone touchdown Seahawks. David Moore, who

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01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: loses his defender under the gold post, makes the catch.

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Speaker 1: That play made by Russell Wilson, who had somebody grab

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Speaker 1: a hold of his foot. He shook him off and said,

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Speaker 1: get away. I got a touchdown to throw, and he

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Speaker 1: does David Moore from three yards out. The Seahawks lead

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Speaker 1: by thirty three. All right, this play down here, the

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01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: ball is on the four yard line. You got a

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Speaker 1: trisformation to the right side of Russell Wilson, and I

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Speaker 1: believe I filled him for Bob this week on the

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Speaker 1: Bob and Dave Dave and Bob Show, to Wyman and

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01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: Bob shows a Wyman. Is that what it's called? Wyman

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01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: and Bob? Okay, excuse me, The Wyman and Bob Show.

1277
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Speaker 1: And we talked to David Moore and he talked us

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01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: through this and pretty much what he said was, he goes, look,

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01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm the third option right here. You have dca at

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Speaker 1: the number three receiver closest to the line, excuse me,

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01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: to the offensive tackle. He runs a hitch. Then you

1282
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: have the number two receiver, number sixteens how to lock it.

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01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: He runs a hitch, so they're looking to hit it quick.

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01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: Now Demo's responsibilities work the back of the end zone

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01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: and if anything, if they jump on on the hitch,

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01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: then you get the football. And that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna count for fourteen, You're gonna account

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Speaker 1: for sixteen. Eighty three, you're gonna sleep on I don't

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01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: know why you sleep on eighty three. Where you're gonna

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01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: sleep on eighty three? He does exactly what he's supposed

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01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,439
Speaker 1: to do. He works the back of the end zone,

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Speaker 1: makes a play all Demo does is maybe play six

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01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: touchdowns as the number three receiver on this football team.

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01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: But I feel like you saw something else, Paul No.

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01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: I want to simplify this for me, and it's it

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01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: is really interesting. And the reason why I love the segment.

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01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: As you come from an office and so side, I

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01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,439
Speaker 1: look at from a defensive side, and you're right. Look

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01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: the weakness and when you get towards the goal line

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01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: is the back of the end zone. I'm a defender.

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01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: I see what's in front of me. I know I

1302
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: don't have to give a lot of depth. And so

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01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: if you have a quarterback that sees it and you

1304
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: work the back of the end zone, you got to

1305
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: drill it right. I mean, look, I'm only a step

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01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: or two away. So when you throw that, you better

1307
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: know that it's more than a step away for me.

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01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: And this has happening, and this is the simplification of

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01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: this is. First of all, Damian Lewis gets run over.

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01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: And Damian, as you're listening to this, which I know

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01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: you do every Thursday night, I think you're the best

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01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: rookie guard in the league and you've been nothing but awesome.

1313
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: But he gets run over and the guy who runs

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01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: over him, grabs Russell Wilson's foot, and Russell Wilson just

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01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,959
Speaker 1: has the presence to wait for his last option, which

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01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: I think is now two touchdowns, our last one and

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01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: this one. And so you know, nothing madgic cool other

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01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: than Russell Wilson makes how much a year thirty five meal,

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01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: he's worth thirty sixty six, maybe thirty seven, maybe thirty seven.

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Speaker 1: All right, this next play, Jaron Reid sax Sam Darnold

1321
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: four loss of six yards in the third quarter. Darnald

1322
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: takes a shotgun snap four man rushed by Dahawks, Donald

1323
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: gets hit. Darnold's gonna go down inside the fifteen. Jaron

1324
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: Reid is gonna get credit for this sack and for

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01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: Read that's four and a half on the season for him.

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01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: You know. The nice thing about the Seahawks, and I

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01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: think you mentioned, you know, we're one of the top

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01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: sackers certainly over the last five six games and even now,

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01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: you know throughout the year we are and we're not

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01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: blitzing a crazy number a lot of people, Oh we're

1331
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: blitzing like crazy. Now We're thirty three, thirty four percent.

1332
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: It's kind of middle of the pack. And Jared what

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01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: we're finally starting to see now is we're allowing our

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01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: best players to be freed up. Jaron Reid. Remember a

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01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: couple years ago when he had ten sacks. Jaron, we

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01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: read can win one on one matches. Here he actually

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01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: gets double team. It's to me, it's a hustle sack,

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01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: it's a coverage sack. And we're starting to get all

1339
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: of that. Someone said to me earlier in the year, Well,

1340
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 1: what's wrong with our our pass rush. It's not just

1341
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: a pass rush. It's it's playing a defense that stops

1342
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: the short passes. It's playing contested coverage behind it. You

1343
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 1: got to have it all to have a great pass

1344
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: rush and get sacks. And this to me just you know,

1345
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: glorifies you know what we've been doing. And um, really

1346
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: excited about all of our pass ru I mean you

1347
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: think about now across the board we had LJ. Collier

1348
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: on earlier and what he's doing and um, you're throwing

1349
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: um uh Jaron Reid, and you're throwing hopefully we get

1350
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: done lap back as well, which I hope hopefully we will.

1351
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:54,479
Speaker 1: You're throwing Jamal Adams, You're throwing um. Bobby Wagner. We're

1352
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: now a force in the pass rush, and we have

1353
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: a secondary that's starting to cover tight, so it makes

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01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: a big place. Yeah. The thing I like about this

1355
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: play is everyone got involved. You got the one tech

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01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: I believe that might be pulling a Ford who gets

1357
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: off of his matchup and forces Darnold to step up.

1358
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: Then you got Alton Robinson flying off the edge gets

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01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: him to step up, which allows Read to make this tackle.

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Speaker 1: That is a perfect example of it takes everybody to

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Speaker 1: get this done on that defensive line. All right, Well,

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01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: we'll be seeing a seven game season in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Is Jalen Hurts the real Dylan Philly so much doing pat?

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01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: From Week fourteen, Paul Morey and I take it around

1365
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: the NFL. Coming up next on Hawks Live. Hawks Slide,

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01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 1: brought to you by Mac and Tracks Brewing Company, every

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01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: Thursday from seven to nine, live on air on seven

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01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: ten ESPN Seattle Live every Thursday. This is the last

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Speaker 1: Thursday we will be here, me Michael Bamas with my

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01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: guy Paul Moyer from Lemanfield on seven to ten ESPN.

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01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: And now we get to go around the NFL. Paul Moyer, Yes,

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Speaker 1: do you expect the owners to move to a seventeen

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01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: game season in twenty twenty one. So there's talk that

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01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: they're losing about two hundred million because no fans. I

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01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: don't know if it's per team, and I don't know

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01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 1: if it's meaning an average, whatever it is, but they're

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01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: losing some serious revenue. Are you kidding me? They're going

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01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: to seventeen games. They have to go to seventeen games.

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01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: And there's a couple of things in there. They just

1380
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: signed a new collective bargaining agreement a year ago. They

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01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: did some things to help guys like me that in

1382
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: you that were in the league before pensions, and they

1383
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: have a lot of really cool things now from health

1384
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:45,480
Speaker 1: insurance and mental and to help all that costs money.

1385
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 1: They have to go to it. And here's why the

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01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 1: players are going to for sure agree to it. If

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01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: all of a sudden that salary cap drops. Russell Wilson says, Okay,

1388
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 1: I'm about to get a new contract. Said Russell, You're

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01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: gonna get sixteen percent of the salary cap and you're

1390
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: gonna make less this year than you did lost contract. Yeah. Uh,

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01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: they're going to seventeen inchs. Yeah, you hit it. It's

1392
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: all about the money. Seven and by the way, it

1393
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: ain't just for the owners, it's for the player. For

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01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 1: the players, you're you're making up a deficit. Yeah, there's

1395
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: just a lot of money that was lost, so it

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01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: makes sense to go seventeen games. I think the guys

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01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: that are kind of gonna fight it are the guys

1398
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: who don't have a lot are not like the really

1399
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: high paid guys, Guys who were kind of in the middle, like, Okay,

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01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: how do I benefit from a seventeen game season? You

1401
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,759
Speaker 1: get another check, but you're probably gonna get paid around

1402
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 1: the same. So I think they're gonna go seventeen all right.

1403
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: So with that two game preseason, are you with it

1404
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: or against it? I'm gonna tell you, as a guy

1405
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 1: who need it, who needed the preseasons to make the

1406
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: football club, I'm against it because, honestly, I only have

1407
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: three preseason games. The third preseason game of the year

1408
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: goes to the Veterans to get their three and a

1409
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: half quarters in and they get the bulk of the reps.

1410
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: I needed every I needed to play against the Raiders

1411
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 1: and the Bears and the Vikings and the Broncos. I

1412
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: needed those games to make the ball clubs. So for

1413
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: a guy who's trying to make the team. I think

1414
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: that cuts them short. If they're gonna go two preseason games,

1415
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: there needs to be more. What do you call those

1416
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 1: dual practices when teams link up in practice scrimmages scrimmages,

1417
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 1: so now you get to see these guys live against

1418
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: other guys. I guess I'm okay with it. If they

1419
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: do something like that, that's where it's gone. By the way,

1420
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: the four games is bye bye. It's gone, and it's

1421
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: gone because of this year, they had to see row

1422
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: and they still field to a team. They were still

1423
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 1: able to assess the players. I think what you're gonna

1424
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 1: find is what if I could for you, Michael and myself,

1425
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: we're both free agent guys. We made it, And by

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01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: the way, I don't think I made it because of

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01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 1: the preseason games. I made it from all the practices

1428
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 1: in the offseason. Some of the preseason games just quantified

1429
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: what I did right. But what if I said, Michael,

1430
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: here's the deal. I'm gonna get you the same amount

1431
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 1: of playing time in two games as you could get

1432
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: in four. Because I'm not playing Russell in these two games.

1433
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: I don't need to. I'm playing for a hat, just

1434
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: kind of feel it out. But we're gonna get it

1435
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 1: all in the OTAs. We're getting all in the practices

1436
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: they're they're adapting along the way. Yeah, I don't think

1437
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: they need four games. The fans don't like four games.

1438
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: Let's go to seventeen games, two preseason games. There's more revenue,

1439
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: and I think they're already found out. I can assess

1440
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 1: any player, free agent, rookies, all that stuff and make it.

1441
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: I like the four games. I like seeing guys, I

1442
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: really do. I like seeing guys who probably won't make

1443
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: this team, but I know from this guy played for

1444
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: West Virginie. He made this play on Sports Center, he

1445
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 1: made the top ten. Let me see what this guy does.

1446
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 1: I like seeing because for a lot of these guys,

1447
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: this is it. They're gonna get these four preseason games

1448
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna go sell insurance after this. Nothing wrong,

1449
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: nothing wrong insurance, but you're gonna go and do something else.

1450
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: So there's a spot in my heart that appreciates this.

1451
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 1: But I also understand the business of it. And if

1452
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: they proven that they can put out a product that's

1453
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: still good without all the games, then yeah, it makes

1454
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: sense business. I think the product will be good again.

1455
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 1: I came from there's time. There was three a day,

1456
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: so there's plenty of practice film to to assess the player.

1457
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: I think you brought up the very beginning. If they

1458
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: can do scrimmages with just rookies and first and second

1459
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: year players, I think they'll be able to get all

1460
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: the film they need. Ye from which, from which it okay?

1461
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts man fills in Carson with Doug Peterson. I

1462
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 1: feel like Doug Peterson was forced to put him in.

1463
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 1: He didn't want to do it because he knew that

1464
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: if Jalen Hurts went out there and did his thing,

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Speaker 1: which he did enough seventeen of thirty one hundred and

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01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: six seven yards, one touchdowns, but he rushed for one

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01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:43,600
Speaker 1: hundred and six yards. But Saints, having given up one

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01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 1: hundred yard rusher in fifty five games in this game,

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01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 1: they give them two with Hurts and Sanders. Is this

1470
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: the right move? Well? First, someone asking did they win

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01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 1: the game? Yes they did, they did, So what does

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01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 1: this remind you of? And forget the game because there's

1473
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 1: a different circumstance. What is Alan Hurst Hurts always done? Win?

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01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: Thank you? All right? The other part is was he

1475
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: in a competition with a quarterback that had a huge contract. Okay,

1476
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna bring you back ten years, nine years ago.

1477
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 1: There's a guy named Russell Wilson. What has he always done? Wins? Compete?

1478
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 1: Who is he competing with a huge contract? Kenn Flynn

1479
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: who just signed a four year big deal. You put

1480
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: people who are win nerves and I'm not even discounting wins.

1481
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a winner. There's something about him.

1482
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 1: I'd life aner, but it's just not working. Hurts wins

1483
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter if it's throwing it, running it.

1484
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 1: He can do both. I like the guy. I like

1485
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 1: him a lot. You stick with this guy. The reason

1486
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: why that Peterson is saying I'm not sure is that

1487
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 1: the commitment to wins and his contract is so huge

1488
01:14:56,120 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 1: that he's got to leave a little room to wiggle hurts.

1489
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: Is their future now? Only those hurts? Wins? He competes,

1490
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: He lost his job to tool, went to Oklahoma, still

1491
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: got a dump. Yep? All right now, MVP, Yeah, if

1492
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 1: you are picking an MVP right now. The fourth the

1493
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: guys on the front Patrick Mahomes and Rodgers, maybe Hitterry

1494
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 1: so Russell's not even in the factor. Unbelievable. Isn't mean

1495
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 1: he's second and touchdowns, he's he's I was looking at

1496
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: attempts completion, so Russell is seventh in attempts, second or

1497
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 1: third in completions or maybe I don't even know where

1498
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: to it. And I looked at Aaron Rodgers, and if

1499
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: you did the math, there you go. Russell's actually better

1500
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 1: nut yards. You know, Aaron got thirty nine touchdown. Look,

1501
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: it's hard. I don't like Aaron Rodgers. I don't like him,

1502
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,640
Speaker 1: so it's hard for me to do it. So Patrick Mahomes,

1503
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 1: I'm kicking out Rogers. Derrick Henry I love. I mean,

1504
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 1: he's he's phenomenal. I'm gonna throw another one in there,

1505
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: and it's in. This guy was playing for any other team.

1506
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook. He leads all scrimmage yards up outside of

1507
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: a quarterback, but receivers and running backs combined yard. I

1508
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: think he's got sixteen hundred and some yards already. He's

1509
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: gonna go close over two thousand total yards. Are you

1510
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:23,440
Speaker 1: kidding me? Are you kidding me? Yeah, he's for Minnesota.

1511
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 1: It's up in the north east, on the north miss

1512
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:30,759
Speaker 1: midwest and they're six and seven. I get, but what's

1513
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: Tennessee but Derrek Kenner. But you know what, here's the thing.

1514
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry just the way he prants his baby, I

1515
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 1: mean that is he He just looks good. He looks

1516
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: he looks like a retometer out there with he's up

1517
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 1: getting for Cook. I appreciate Delvin. If I have to

1518
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:50,799
Speaker 1: choose a back that I helped my offense, I probably

1519
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 1: picked Dalvin Cook because I feel like he can do more.

1520
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: But Derrick Henry Downhill foam. Do you remember when Russell

1521
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 1: Wilson was the guy? I mean eight interests. I mean

1522
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: some of them were you know, bad one. Some of

1523
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 1: them are just I'm just trying to make something. Then

1524
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: they're gonna call you a homer now more. Russ has

1525
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: some bad decisions, love them, don't any other quarterback? And

1526
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 1: Rogers Russe is out of he's boring for first women.

1527
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:25,879
Speaker 1: I say about Russell, you're talking personality. We're talking football personality. Christmas,

1528
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 1: He's in personality mode. We'll wrap this thing up coming

1529
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 1: up next on Hawkslide. Hawks Slide brought to you by

1530
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: Mac and Jack's Brewing Company every Thursday from seven to

1531
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:41,759
Speaker 1: nine live on air on seven ten ESPN Seattle Hawks

1532
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: Live with Me, Michael Bumps and my guy Paul Warrior.

1533
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 1: This is the last time you are going to hear

1534
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 1: us on a Thursday. You'll hear us on a Sunday.

1535
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: But there's nothing like a Thursday from Umnfield. The pain

1536
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 1: in you, right, there's pain. You're gonna ask me, I

1537
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: am gonna miss you. Can we just like link up

1538
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 1: regardless every Thursday night, We'll just do a seven to nine.

1539
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 1: We'll just do it. My wife doesn't listen, We'll just

1540
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 1: I'll just keep telling her that I got a Thursday show.

1541
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 1: Listens and when I get home she critiques me, and

1542
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: well where I say, She says the first couple of shows,

1543
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 1: she goes, you need to stop talking and let Bump

1544
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 1: talk more. You gotta listen to him, ask them questions.

1545
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: You gotta treat me like you know when you're like

1546
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: your fifth sixth year in marriage, where you gotta listen.

1547
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 1: You know you want thirty two years from Mary Exams.

1548
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: I think she was really saying to me, you need

1549
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 1: to listen to me more, but she was using you. Hey,

1550
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: I'm glad I could help Paul. Thank you. I'm glad

1551
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 1: I can help man. All right, So these Seattle Seahawks. Yeah,

1552
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier that I felt like, if they don't

1553
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 1: get to the NFC Championship, then I'm gonna I'm gonna

1554
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: change my language because I spoke to you and NASA

1555
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 1: on during the break and failure this means it doesn't

1556
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 1: feel the same as disappointment. To me, Failure means different,

1557
01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: Like I failed a lot, so I'd take failures and

1558
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna go. But for the masses,

1559
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 1: disappointment it's probably the word that we should use if

1560
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: they don't. Like NASA choby our producers that if they

1561
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 1: don't do better than last year in the playoffs, then

1562
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 1: it's definitely a disappointment. If they don't get to the

1563
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 1: NFC Championship, it's a disappointment, but less of a disappointment

1564
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 1: than if they don't do better than they did last year. Well,

1565
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:24,600
Speaker 1: this year is so so weird anyways, right at You know,

1566
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:28,600
Speaker 1: home field advantage doesn't mean anything. You know, you're just traveling,

1567
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 1: and I think when you get to the playoffs, I

1568
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 1: think when you get to the championship game, you're required

1569
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: to be there two days ahead of time. There's no

1570
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: home field advantage. Yeah, well, there's certainly no home field

1571
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 1: advantage here. There's a few teams out there that allow

1572
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 1: some fans. I think there was a game last week

1573
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 1: where I go, wow, I go, it was actually noisy,

1574
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: and I think it was a Cleveland game against It

1575
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: was noisy, and maybe they had twelve thousand. I don't

1576
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: know whatever the number was. It was just nice to

1577
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,879
Speaker 1: hear fans. So I just think this year is different,

1578
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, Normally you're fighting hard for the n

1579
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 1: number one seed to have home field advantage throughout. I

1580
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: don't know if it's as important anymore. I think disappointment

1581
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 1: and failure they're both gonna hurt. Because you just like

1582
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 1: this team right now. I like this team. There are

1583
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 1: times when you go, I don't I'm rooting for him.

1584
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: I don't know if I like I like this team, yeah,

1585
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: and there's been times in the past where I didn't

1586
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 1: like this team. Favorite Your favorite personality on this team

1587
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: right now? Who? Because there's a quiet question, Well, Jamal

1588
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 1: Adams is one of them. Um, you know Russell's you know,

1589
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: he's a mainstay. That's an easy um. DK Metcalfe is

1590
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: one of my favorite. Damian Lewis my favorite. It's Ryan Neil.

1591
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: After that we had it's Ryan Neil. And he comes

1592
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 1: from a place that we kind of understand, you know,

1593
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: the free agent, Ryan and free agent and nothing's given

1594
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 1: to you. Appreciate everything you have in life. Got a

1595
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 1: big brother who was in the league. You know, a

1596
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: lot of expectations on you. So my favorite personality is

1597
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 1: Ryan Neil. My my spirit it's punafor I don't even

1598
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 1: know how much about Here's another free agent. Yeah, I mean,

1599
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: here was a guy who was a Big twelve Player

1600
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: of the Year or defensive player of the Year of

1601
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 1: whatever he was, or or all Big twelve, you know,

1602
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 1: very productive college play. Another free agent, you know, I

1603
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: mean we you and I both had successful college career

1604
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 1: were free agents. And and look, I've been with guys

1605
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 1: who are my best friends. Kurt Warner, he was first

1606
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 1: round pick. He's one of the greatest people in the world. Um,

1607
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 1: but his first round pick, and you know, he you know,

1608
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: there's some expectations and they it was just different. And

1609
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 1: and I asked some other guys drafted. There was just

1610
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: some expectations, and my expectation was I just got a

1611
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 1: fight to win and play another day. And so there's

1612
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 1: some guys here. I just like the feel of this team.

1613
01:21:56,360 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 1: They're having fun defensively. Now there's just had a bad

1614
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: guy on this team, right And I don't want to

1615
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 1: say there was bad guys in the past. There's guys

1616
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 1: who had a lot of success and we know who

1617
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 1: they are and it became a problem. They needed to

1618
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: move on and we don't have that right now. There's

1619
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:17,600
Speaker 1: nobody who needs to move on. And uh, you know,

1620
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 1: I mean I love Chris Carson. I mean, there's so

1621
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 1: many great guys here, Cody Barton, Cody Barton, David Moore, Demo,

1622
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 1: we've talked about him, Will Disle, DJ Reid, who Ugulamanti,

1623
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 1: who we had on a few weeks ago. I would

1624
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 1: love to go. You know what's been interesting and fun

1625
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 1: about this year. Every guy we've had on has been

1626
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 1: such a fun interview. And part of it is, you know,

1627
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 1: we try to get personal. I want to know about

1628
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: how they got here, and and that brings them back

1629
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 1: to what brings them back to how did I get here?

1630
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 1: So let's go back to high school when you were nothing.

1631
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 1: We just had LJ. LJ call. You were six foot

1632
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 1: two two hundred and five pounds in high school from

1633
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 1: Monday with you m dr. Just outside of Dallas and

1634
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 1: Fort Worth, Texas. UM. It was recruited a little bit,

1635
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 1: some Baylor, some Texas Tech. What are we gonna be?

1636
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: Ends up going to to TCU. And it was funny

1637
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: when we asked that boy, he just opened up about it.

1638
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 1: And the recruiting process is it is it? It's not

1639
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 1: by coincidence that we get the same feeling interviewing the

1640
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 1: Seahawk players because Snyder and Pete Carroll know what type

1641
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 1: of guys they're looking for and they bring them here.

1642
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 1: So there's gonna be some similarities. They're all different in

1643
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,599
Speaker 1: their own way, but end of the day, you feel

1644
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: like you're talking to just a solid individual. And I

1645
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 1: think on the football field that may take this team

1646
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 1: a long way, especially if they can stay healthy. I

1647
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: think that's key with this football team. Kay, I know

1648
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: we have to break, but you got all your Christmas

1649
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: shopping done. Ay. Wife is taken care of the kids,

1650
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,639
Speaker 1: he said, Wife, he's taking care of it all. No, no,

1651
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:00,040
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, she's taking care of how even the

1652
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 1: care of eleven years In January, when you get to thirty.

1653
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:06,639
Speaker 1: I tell my wife buy your own present. You're throwing

1654
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 1: the black cart? What man or schuber Um, it's just look,

1655
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 1: you know what you want. I don't want to disappoint you,

1656
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 1: all right? Hey, well special thanks to Sam four Tier, LJ.

1657
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 1: Collier and John Clayton for joining the show. Tarik, I

1658
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 1: appreciate you. In the background, Thank you everyone who's listening

1659
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 1: to the show this year. Special thanks to Nasha shoby Man.

1660
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: Nasa really drives us in compliment him. We're gonna do

1661
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 1: it every chance we get. Paul and I man, we

1662
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: had a blast doing it this year. Um, this won't

1663
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 1: be the last year hear from us. You'll hear us

1664
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: on Sunday pre and post. We'll get together. We might

1665
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: even start a podcast. Why not. Paul Hey for Paul Moyer,

1666
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 1: all Michael Bumpings. Thank you guys for listening. We appreciate you.

1667
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon. This has been Hawks Live.