Speaker 1: It's nine O gene one old Engine with Jenny Garth
Speaker 1: and Tory Spelling.
Speaker 2: This episode is not like the best episode ever, but
Speaker 2: it does have a lot more for us to talk about.
Speaker 3: So I'm happy about that.
Speaker 1: Okay, good because.
Speaker 2: Last week was not. It was so dull. It was
Speaker 2: just dull, old old odo.
Speaker 1: I mean this, this week's episode was sad but slow,
Speaker 1: sad and slow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it had no upbeat one and you know, I
Speaker 4: have a lot to say.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, let's just talk. Let's just start her up. Okay,
Speaker 1: We're we're talking today about crimes and misdemeanors. This was
Speaker 1: season eight, episode nineteen, aired on February fourth, nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 1: Kim synopsis synopsis. David moves out of Cross of Walls
Speaker 1: after Valerie begs him to stay.
Speaker 4: Then he visits Celia before she passes away. Kelly meets Andy,
Speaker 4: who's fresh out of jail. Steve once again has an
Speaker 4: epic fail. Brandon learns a lesson from the ex con.
Speaker 4: There's nothing you can do when the trust is gone.
Speaker 1: Directed by Charles Correll, written by Laurie McCarthy. That makes sense, Okay.
Speaker 1: I identified this as some better writing. I felt like
Speaker 1: there were There was a little bit better dialogue, and
Speaker 1: I felt like like the storylines and the relationships were
Speaker 1: actually good communication between the characters. Like, I felt like
Speaker 1: the writing was more mature and like about the relationships
Speaker 1: moving forward and less about.
Speaker 3: Like I can agree with that.
Speaker 1: Yes, especially Donna and David's talks together, Donna and Noah's
Speaker 1: talks together, Brandon and Kelly's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I concur and Jen. Last week our big note
Speaker 4: was it felt so disjointed. The writing didn't feel right.
Speaker 4: The characters didn't feel like that's how they would speak.
Speaker 1: Who who wrote last week's episode? Then?
Speaker 4: Okay, so last week was the first episode that John
Speaker 4: Eisendraff started a showrunner.
Speaker 1: Okay, I did see his name on the credits.
Speaker 4: Laurie McCarthy, we we know, well, she loved us characters,
Speaker 4: she knew So this week felt better and back two us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like more to like a a show that's got
Speaker 1: a heart, like there's some meaning.
Speaker 2: And also there was a female progress forward which I liked.
Speaker 2: There was some at least communication between Brandon and Kelly,
Speaker 2: which we can talk about.
Speaker 3: Donna and David. There was things moved along in a way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the things are going somewhere last week, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at Michael Cassette. Cassutt was the writer.
Speaker 4: Who we have had before because poor guy, Sorry Michael,
Speaker 4: we can never pronounce his name, but so we've had
Speaker 4: him before. He wasn't a newbie per se. But it
Speaker 4: was the first time John came in as the showrunners.
Speaker 4: So perhaps a little getting to know each other.
Speaker 1: I don't know, and then just yeah, I just felt
Speaker 1: I'm so glad it made sense that it was written
Speaker 1: by Laurie.
Speaker 2: Should we start with what is the dumbest storyline in
Speaker 2: the whole episode? Okay, Brandon and Steve with the two girls.
Speaker 3: It was so to me, like trying to be funny.
Speaker 1: I could tell, like I could tell immediately.
Speaker 3: And she said, bring your boyfriend.
Speaker 1: She said, we'll bring the romance though didn't she say that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think it was so clear that they
Speaker 3: were two couples.
Speaker 2: My sort of critique of this storyline, and people can disagree,
Speaker 2: is that we as the audience, knew they were a
Speaker 2: gay couple, Whereas I wish we would have been not
Speaker 2: not known, so that Bill would have been a bit
Speaker 2: more like oh, but it was like we so knew
Speaker 2: that it was sort of so dumb.
Speaker 1: Well, how did you know?
Speaker 3: They made it so obvious?
Speaker 4: Wow, she said my girlfriend, which I know could be Yeah,
Speaker 4: I know it was.
Speaker 3: When she said bring your boyfriend.
Speaker 4: Yeah she said that at the peach pit.
Speaker 1: Oh no, but the lunch they weren't at the peach pit.
Speaker 2: You're right where she just definitely said, it isn't that
Speaker 2: your friend Tory Josie?
Speaker 4: So, uh, I know Josie. And the reason I know
Speaker 4: Josie is because and you guys, I'm sorry, I saw
Speaker 4: this and I was like, uh, what's happening here? So
Speaker 4: that that role was played by Josie Davis, who later
Speaker 4: comes on with a short, fresh haircut and plays a
Speaker 4: completely different character named Camille.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's super confusing because I was confused. I'm like,
Speaker 2: doesn't this character stay for a while, But that's a
Speaker 2: different character, And.
Speaker 4: I was like, is she gonna cut her hair? So
Speaker 4: she comes on and dates? I believe David, I believe. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you don't remember, and I can't remember. I want to
Speaker 4: say it's like ninth or tenth season. That's a I mean,
Speaker 4: she's a notable actress, totals in charge, Hello, a teen star.
Speaker 4: I think it's kind of bizarre that they were like,
Speaker 4: we can bring her back and people won't get it.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 2: I think that was weird because she's too recognizable to
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 4: With exactly you know, you know in some world Jen.
Speaker 4: My dad was like, no, but the haircut, like it's
Speaker 4: totally different, Like, no.
Speaker 1: They won't recognize it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she has that familiar face though, so that makes
Speaker 1: sense that she was. I was more familiar with her
Speaker 1: than just the small role because I remember spending more
Speaker 1: time with her than that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and who played the brunette her girlfriend?
Speaker 1: She's somebody, Carrie Ginzell.
Speaker 4: Somebody.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Carrie Ginzell. Let me look her up.
Speaker 4: I feel like she is on something I want to
Speaker 4: say now.
Speaker 3: I just felt like the reveal was like we already know. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: she's familiar.
Speaker 4: Jen does to say what she's in now. I feel
Speaker 4: like she's on a series now or in the last
Speaker 4: few years, ten years?
Speaker 1: I check in, please hold.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think it was supposed to be the comic relief
Speaker 3: for this episode.
Speaker 1: And how do you feel about The Walking Dead? Sorry
Speaker 1: to interrupt you, Amie.
Speaker 3: I love The Walking Dead? Is that what she's on?
Speaker 1: Known for?
Speaker 4: That.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, I knew.
Speaker 1: We knew supernatural. Oh my gosh, oh okay, yeah, she's
Speaker 1: she's been around working a lot. Take she's got such
Speaker 1: a great look, like a very c A R R
Speaker 1: I E G E N the E L.
Speaker 4: Yeah. This the storyline just sucked. I know, it's one
Speaker 4: of their hijinks, ones they wanted.
Speaker 1: I didn't even feel Hijinxy though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was no I wanted comedy.
Speaker 1: There's no comedy.
Speaker 3: That's so there was no there was nobody like.
Speaker 1: There was no like and hijinxy like, there was no
Speaker 1: like old Troupe.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was supposed to be that your story obviously,
Speaker 5: because the others were, you know, a heavier and sad,
Speaker 5: but this was not.
Speaker 3: This didn't work for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I needed something to lift me up a little.
Speaker 1: And then when like when when Steve walks into the
Speaker 1: office and doesn't even notice Janet, doesn't even look at Janet,
Speaker 1: I'm like, how is this gonna pick up?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, because as I told you guys, there
Speaker 4: was literally no reason for this.
Speaker 3: Y has They finally let her say like four things.
Speaker 1: I know she's so good. Her four things were really good.
Speaker 2: Always Here's my question for Jenny, you've been so tough
Speaker 2: on Brandon, right, like really really tough?
Speaker 6: Do you mean I have the Oh sorry, sorry Kelly. Okay, Kelly,
Speaker 6: thank you so much. Yes, So I was like, no,
Speaker 6: you're Kelly. Kelly has been very tough on Brandon.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Did you think it was appropriate that she suddenly needs something,
Speaker 2: asks him a favor and bops over there? Like if
Speaker 2: you're trying to not.
Speaker 4: Really what she's been through, she can ask. She should
Speaker 4: be asking for more in every area.
Speaker 2: Fair, I just didn't know where I like net it out.
Speaker 2: It's like she's not talking to him really like pushing back.
Speaker 1: Well, he's in her bedroom. What do you mean like
Speaker 1: she bops over what do you do?
Speaker 3: You know when you go over to the office to ask.
Speaker 1: Him to do this for you?
Speaker 3: Look, once we get to the bedroom, we have progress
Speaker 3: with their relationship.
Speaker 1: Do you think she did that because she's trying to
Speaker 1: help the ex con.
Speaker 4: Yes, but genuinely yeah.
Speaker 2: It felt to me like, Okay, if this is your
Speaker 2: ex that you has cheated on you, you're very hurt.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you go to Steve and say, hey, I need
Speaker 2: you guys to do this story.
Speaker 1: No, she's not going to go to Steve. I think
Speaker 1: she knows the person to get the job done, and
Speaker 1: she trusts Brandon. It has, you know, reporter ethics, you
Speaker 1: know Brandon.
Speaker 4: This I found it very mature of her. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: sorry you asked Jenny this question. If Kelly's been tough
Speaker 4: on Brandon, I maybe as a reaction as Don Kelly's
Speaker 4: friend Jenny's front. That makes me feel tough, like he
Speaker 4: cheated on her, Like she can be tough for a
Speaker 4: long time. I think it's kind. I think it's very
Speaker 4: mature of Kelly in the moment to even be talking
Speaker 4: to him at all. But someone needs help, he could
Speaker 4: do it justice and help this case, this case, I
Speaker 4: don't know. I think it's cool and I kind of
Speaker 4: like because it's the new guy you're dating that it
Speaker 4: happened in his clinic.
Speaker 1: Wait, I'm so confused about the who Kelly's dating now
Speaker 1: maybe I missed it in the last episode. So she's
Speaker 1: dating that doctor guy. Yeah, wait, like officially dating him.
Speaker 2: And doctor Martin runs the clinic now and then that
Speaker 2: guy's the doctor, right, Okay.
Speaker 1: But the guy that was is the ex con Is
Speaker 1: anything happening with him in the future or no?
Speaker 4: I don't think so I don't know, but he's way
Speaker 4: cuter than the doctor you're dating. Sorry, I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: say it.
Speaker 3: Nothing happens with the other guy.
Speaker 1: But I felt like maybe he's going to be a
Speaker 1: soccer or something weird because he's got like in tense
Speaker 1: vibes and.
Speaker 3: There was some sort of like a weird connection.
Speaker 1: Protection like he protected Kelly from it.
Speaker 3: And I'm glad so that they.
Speaker 2: Made it make sense that the doctor went to the funeral,
Speaker 2: because otherwise it's so random.
Speaker 1: But no, it didn't make sense.
Speaker 3: He's going because doctor Martin runs the clinic, so he
Speaker 3: has so we're supposed to. They sort of give a
Speaker 3: little reminder of that.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, okay, sorry, Yeah, I thought that was so
Speaker 4: nine or two and hour. I'm like, really, they just
Speaker 4: why would.
Speaker 1: You take him at the beach apartment, like pregaming with them?
Speaker 1: Not that that was a pregame, but like I think it.
Speaker 3: Was the post. It was the post post.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, tailgating, tailgating for while it's happening.
Speaker 2: I think because he mentions he's going, and then I
Speaker 2: think they decide to go together something.
Speaker 3: It was a little bit of a strength.
Speaker 1: Is that going to keep going at all.
Speaker 4: I mean, I ask you a question, Jen, what how
Speaker 4: do you feel about it? All? Right? Amy likes him?
Speaker 3: I don't mind him.
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, you like the doctor.
Speaker 3: I don't mind the doctor. I'm happy though, that we're
Speaker 3: having some progress with you and Brandon, yes please, which
Speaker 3: we did have a lot at the end of this episode,
Speaker 3: quite a lot.
Speaker 4: Okay, we can get to that. But the doctor is
Speaker 4: here currently, and I just feel like he's miscast. I
Speaker 4: don't feel any chemistry. I don't feel I don't know.
Speaker 4: He's nice, but it's not like he has this like
Speaker 4: kind of cool personality and super smart, witty and I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: I don't think he's cute with you. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: It's okay. I'm here over here shaking my head all
Speaker 1: different directions, carrying with you. Thank you, because I don't
Speaker 1: feel it at all either.
Speaker 4: You look better with Dalton James. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe this is the time when I
Speaker 1: always say, like I could have chemistry the doorknob, because
Speaker 1: that's when that's your job, like you do it. But
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not seeing it.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Did I miss something last week?
Speaker 2: Doctor from the rehab when you when you dated the
Speaker 2: rehab doctor.
Speaker 4: He was better.
Speaker 3: It was so inappropriate, but it was better rehab doctor,
Speaker 3: the dark haired doctor. Yeah, he was better.
Speaker 1: This guy just doesn't. It's in an odd casting choice.
Speaker 4: That's my thing. I feel like he went on to
Speaker 4: do another spelling show, so maybe they were like, we
Speaker 4: get up here is Michael.
Speaker 1: What's his name?
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's his name?
Speaker 1: Michael Durrell.
Speaker 4: That's my dad.
Speaker 1: Oh, Michael Riley Burke.
Speaker 4: Yes, that man.
Speaker 3: Wait, what's Michael Darrell? That's my dad? What does that mean?
Speaker 1: He's doctor John Martin? Sorry, Okay, they're both amed Michael.
Speaker 4: So Michael went on to do different shows for spelling.
Speaker 4: That's all I'm gonna say. So I want if they
Speaker 4: like were trying to just like we're the biggest show they.
Speaker 1: Had, so they're trying to find his lane maybe or
Speaker 1: like get.
Speaker 4: Him there so people see him and then put him
Speaker 4: into something or maybe Yes, I was offended he went
Speaker 4: to your room. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I kind of thought it felt right oddly I did.
Speaker 1: It bothered me for a second, but then when it does,
Speaker 1: when it didn't bother Kelly, I felt good about it.
Speaker 3: And he's calling his mom.
Speaker 4: That's Okay. You know what really bothered me for a moment,
Speaker 4: I thought he was charging you and calling and like
Speaker 4: he's calling Hong Kong on her phone, and I was
Speaker 4: so bummed. I was like, why would he do that
Speaker 4: to her after everything he's done to her?
Speaker 3: Howbody slips him because.
Speaker 4: I used to calling card that he had memorized.
Speaker 1: Wait, what's a calling card? He did push a lot
Speaker 1: a lot of buttons, so I was like, wow, okay.
Speaker 2: So back in the day before cell phones and now
Speaker 2: you had to have a phone that had long distance.
Speaker 2: So like when we were in college, when we signed
Speaker 2: up for our landlines, they would say, do you want
Speaker 2: long distance?
Speaker 3: What long distance plan?
Speaker 2: Or you have these calling cards and you like dialed
Speaker 2: in this number if you had to call long distance,
Speaker 2: and then it would charge, you'd get a bill or
Speaker 2: charge an account or something because distance used to be
Speaker 2: like so expensive.
Speaker 4: A pre bag card or something we would have nowadays,
Speaker 4: but not for calling. But would you haven't memorized he
Speaker 4: I memorized, you did.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of numbers.
Speaker 3: Okay, your phone number plus like four, So it wasn't
Speaker 3: that hard to memorize.
Speaker 1: Uh. Oh, I don't remember using a calling card you guys,
Speaker 1: do you remember that tour? Yes, you do. No, we
Speaker 1: used to use them on pay who'd you call the
Speaker 1: calling card?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know. I don't get on the phone. Absolutely
Speaker 4: didn't our parents get it, like maybe that was a
Speaker 4: thing so that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would use it on a payphone if I
Speaker 3: didn't have a.
Speaker 4: Quarter payphone at school. Calling card something. Okay.
Speaker 1: I think we missed a whole generation of like things
Speaker 1: that you actually need to survive. I know, we didn't
Speaker 1: know what was happening in the real world because we
Speaker 1: were we were stuck on the stages in fan eyes.
Speaker 4: Oh here she goes. People were there and go for it.
Speaker 1: People were out there using calling cards, understanding how to
Speaker 1: do something like that.
Speaker 4: She banged, she called for help, but no one came.
Speaker 1: No one came.
Speaker 4: It's like that new room back rooms that's coming in.
Speaker 2: I think that's something that fascinated me about this episode.
Speaker 2: First of all, we have to talk about the fabulous
Speaker 2: June Lockhart. Yes, is that she just passed away?
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: So thirty years ago she's filming this. She's playing a
Speaker 3: grandma and she's lived thirty like.
Speaker 1: So she must have been in her sixty.
Speaker 3: Something like that. Sixty or seventy.
Speaker 1: She looked amazing.
Speaker 4: When she passed, she had just turned one hundred. Now
Speaker 4: we like called it out on the show, like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, June Lockhart one hundred years old.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, but she looked so beat. Can we
Speaker 1: talk about the Grandma storyline now?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she looks so pretty in the hospital. And then
Speaker 1: when you were snuggling her she was dying. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I was dying. She just had such beautiful skin and
Speaker 1: pretty jawline. And I kept thinking, how much you, Donna
Speaker 1: looked like Grandma, Like I could see you look like
Speaker 1: you were really related. I agree with that.
Speaker 4: I know to be a fear that era and be
Speaker 4: such a star. And she had no makeup.
Speaker 1: On no, I mean she did, you think, well but barely.
Speaker 4: She looked real good. You're right.
Speaker 2: She's a great performance, and the storyline's really good. And
Speaker 2: I love how she wants to connect with David. The
Speaker 2: locket does make me giggle a little, or the watch
Speaker 2: or whatever when.
Speaker 4: It's because every time you see me, and it's just like, David,
Speaker 4: really were you saying?
Speaker 1: But when she says to Donna, like when you try
Speaker 1: to introduce her to Noah and she's like what, yeah, okay, hi,
Speaker 1: and then she's and then she's like, but David, you're
Speaker 1: gonna need him, You'll see. And then when she said
Speaker 1: you'll see, I was like, oh, I chill foreshadowing.
Speaker 4: Yeah I know, I know. And it's like, oh, fate
Speaker 4: always by the way, and Amy loves Noah real, I
Speaker 4: mean beyond stand up guy in this episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's like he's not a bad character.
Speaker 4: David stay, I get it, Like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: The kiss? What do we think of the cheety kiss?
Speaker 1: Though? She but did you stop it or did he stop?
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I stopped it and Donna said this
Speaker 1: isn't we can't do this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I felt like, I don't know, it was
Speaker 4: a little I didn't want the kiss too much of
Speaker 4: a kiss.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't want that kiss in that mind. I
Speaker 1: wanted like that dear friendship and that connection to not
Speaker 1: become like.
Speaker 3: The almost kiss would have been.
Speaker 4: Better, yeah, like going in and then stopping it right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like thinking, oh, both of you thinking that you
Speaker 1: want to kiss each other, but then stopping your thoughts,
Speaker 1: you know, like.
Speaker 3: Or like the audience want you to kiss. I know, right,
Speaker 3: I think that maybe it would have been better.
Speaker 1: So do you think at this point in the show,
Speaker 1: season eight, whatever episode we're on, do they know that
Speaker 1: at this point that they're what they ultimately want to
Speaker 1: do with these characters or are they just working towards nothing?
Speaker 1: Like because when she said you'll see I was like,
Speaker 1: maybe there was a plan the whole time.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a great question.
Speaker 4: I don't know the answer to that one.
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know the answer, but I think
Speaker 1: it feels like I want to give them credit, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like they knew what they were doing.
Speaker 4: Take care of her.
Speaker 1: She said, oh god, yeah, so now he's going to
Speaker 1: and Val thought the song was written for her.
Speaker 3: Oh god, that's another storyline that I'm just.
Speaker 2: Like, Oh, I just just that's where you're like, we've
Speaker 2: seen this over and over and then she goes over
Speaker 2: and there's like a random gift.
Speaker 4: I don't like them together, and not for that reason,
Speaker 4: you guys.
Speaker 1: Why don't you like them together? Because they were together
Speaker 1: in real life? Maybe not at this point, but.
Speaker 4: Like, I like, hegether the first time, but this time around,
Speaker 4: something feels off.
Speaker 1: She feels desperado.
Speaker 4: He's different, she's different. They've evolved as different humans and
Speaker 4: they're not a match anymore. I agree, but I it
Speaker 4: really upset me because I have started to like her,
Speaker 4: her character, her character now okay, yes, sorry, sorry, sorry,
Speaker 4: it's clarify. Watching Valerie, I have started to really like her,
Speaker 4: even though we want to hate her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about why you like vou because I
Speaker 1: don't get it, like as me. For me watching I
Speaker 1: was like, ha ha, that's it. You're not going to
Speaker 1: get the man, like I was cheering against her as
Speaker 1: a watcher, not as like me or her personal people.
Speaker 1: But I was like, oh, val you thought the song
Speaker 1: was for you.
Speaker 4: I know, But I kind of like Valerie gets everything
Speaker 4: she wants and I like that kind of character. She's
Speaker 4: that like villain that you love to hate. And so
Speaker 4: now that she's like down and out, I'm like, I
Speaker 4: don't really, I'm not interested.
Speaker 1: Got it? You want her to be always like conniving
Speaker 1: and like yes, sassy. Yeah, I don't like her as
Speaker 1: like desperate val like please love me.
Speaker 4: It's out of character. And I'm just like, no, that's
Speaker 4: what we kind of liked about it. You love to
Speaker 4: hate about you. But the fact that she told David
Speaker 4: she doesn't think he should go to the funeral.
Speaker 3: Oh that was bananas angered me.
Speaker 4: I mean she's done a lot of things that should
Speaker 4: have angered me. This one took the cake.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was not cool.
Speaker 4: And he's like, I've loved her longer than i've known you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a good line. That was good writing.
Speaker 1: See, good writing, and good writing. Even when she took
Speaker 1: that stupid cactus to her at his house, that was
Speaker 1: still writing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was good writing. You're right, You're right.
Speaker 3: This episode was much better, even with sort of the
Speaker 3: dumb ideas within it. It was way better.
Speaker 4: Sorry, going back to the Brandon Kelly, when you were
Speaker 4: saying that you want to be with him and what
Speaker 4: would happen and how will you ever know? And he
Speaker 4: was like you won't. You just have to take the
Speaker 4: leaks too. I was really good, you guys. I really
Speaker 4: enjoyed that between you guys because I felt it and
Speaker 4: I was like, ah, man, he's right, like, how can
Speaker 4: you ever trust him again? Like I know, it's.
Speaker 1: Even when you go okay. So then Kelly writes a
Speaker 1: letter to her dad in jail, So I'm seeing like
Speaker 1: her trying to figure out who she is and what
Speaker 1: her patterns are like I'm seeing her actually do like
Speaker 1: some sort of work there on trying to because she's
Speaker 1: just repeating that pattern like of not trusting men. And
Speaker 1: this whole Brandon thing has brought her back to her
Speaker 1: feelings about her dad. And then the con Oh thought.
Speaker 2: About that, aren't we supposed? It's almost like a trick
Speaker 2: at first? We don't know who she's writing the.
Speaker 1: Less I thought it at Randon Brandon. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: dead because she's got to start there. She's got to
Speaker 1: like figure her shit out when it comes to like
Speaker 1: that deep stuff that she's carrying around. I love that part.
Speaker 3: This episode had a lot of meat.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I also liked it when you went to
Speaker 1: the boat at the end and you were like, well,
Speaker 1: it was where when you were holding onto the pole, Well,
Speaker 1: were you standing behind the pole or holding onto it
Speaker 1: for security? Because I couldn't tell. I was watching on
Speaker 1: my phone.
Speaker 4: Interesting, I was wondering the same thing.
Speaker 1: But maybe you just needed to hold onto something in.
Speaker 4: Them, he says, come in. I don't know, but you.
Speaker 1: Say to him like your communication is so good to him,
Speaker 1: like You're like, I might cry all night, I might
Speaker 1: get frustrated because you don't understand. Those are like big
Speaker 1: girl words. I was so happy to have these characters
Speaker 1: getting it. I loved it.
Speaker 4: Jenny.
Speaker 3: I think you're making like really really good points.
Speaker 2: I did not realize it until you pointed it out
Speaker 2: that it is the writing in this episode that makes
Speaker 2: it silk significantly better.
Speaker 1: M I hope it keeps up. Maybe there's hope.
Speaker 4: This could be it. This could be the turning point
Speaker 4: where it gets better.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of moments that are actually really needy
Speaker 3: good moments.
Speaker 1: Well, while it was still really slow and I wanted
Speaker 1: to have some fun, but you know what, it's okay.
Speaker 1: It's a nighttime drama, right. Maybe the Zany just needed
Speaker 1: to take a break.
Speaker 2: I think that they just shouldn't even tried that sane
Speaker 2: thing because that was dumb.
Speaker 1: It was not it was It did nothing for Steve's character,
Speaker 1: It did nothing for Brandon's character. Nothing. They didn't learn
Speaker 1: like they didn't. I don't know. It's just stupid, but
Speaker 1: they tried. I have I would give this episode an eight.
Speaker 1: That's what I would give it. What do you guys think?
Speaker 4: I agree with you. I'm not giving it an eight too.
Speaker 1: Yeah as well, Amory, what do you give it?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give it an eight point five.
Speaker 1: She liked it that much. Wow, this is these are
Speaker 1: hi marks. Yeah, this season eight?
Speaker 3: Also, how can you?
Speaker 2: I mean, we have Donna's grandma, like we have to Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is let's see. This was episode nineteen of season eight,
Speaker 1: so we're like halfway right, a little bit more than halfway.
Speaker 1: How many episodes were there?
Speaker 4: Thirty four?
Speaker 1: Thirty four?
Speaker 3: Wow, there's so many.
Speaker 4: I don't know. It could be thirty two. It depends
Speaker 4: on the season.
Speaker 1: You can't remember either. But yeah, I think I have hope.
Speaker 1: I have hope. We have to have hope.
Speaker 3: Yes, we improved episode, improved episode.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel anything from the fashion except.
Speaker 3: No, and I tried. I tried, I keep.
Speaker 1: Vows bib overalls, but then I didn't like her, so
Speaker 1: I couldn't like her clothes.
Speaker 2: It's funny Tory brought that up last week that the
Speaker 2: fashion is just blah, so I really tried to look.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's maybe it's because everything was very dark in
Speaker 1: this episode.
Speaker 4: Like, nope, it happened last week, Jen. Really we were
Speaker 4: just like, what's going on right now?
Speaker 1: Are we shifting to a new costumor? I feel like,
Speaker 1: because we did that at some point, we.
Speaker 4: Did Molly, but Molly Campbell, I feel like stayed to then,
Speaker 4: did she not?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Wait?
Speaker 1: I love how you look up into the side like
Speaker 1: there's some sort of show happening that you're remembering things.
Speaker 1: It's like, I can't remember, but maybe that's works looking
Speaker 1: at so funny.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yeah, and no, like Noah's look, you've noticed it.
Speaker 1: More, haven't you now that Sai's something?
Speaker 4: I can see it now. I'm sure I remembered it
Speaker 4: happening at the time, but I was so like giddy
Speaker 4: for him that I was like, Okay, he's okay.
Speaker 1: But it's doing great. Did you guys know that the
Speaker 1: nurse that was in the hospital room comes back later
Speaker 1: in the series and plays Janet's mother.
Speaker 3: Yo, what is going on?
Speaker 1: Oh no, casting, It must be slim pickens out there.
Speaker 1: We just keep They're like, save her, she'll be great
Speaker 1: for something else.
Speaker 4: Well, there was that smelling loyalty though, But maybe that's
Speaker 4: how it works within the same show, like the same
Speaker 4: you can put it in a different interesting Okay.
Speaker 1: Here's the deal though. That's the lesson right there in life,
Speaker 1: even if you're doing something that feels like it's not
Speaker 1: like the big deal or like ultimately what you want.
Speaker 1: It's a stepping stone. And so she came in did
Speaker 1: a great job as the nurse. They gave her nothing
Speaker 1: other than nurse dialogue, and they said, you know what,
Speaker 1: she was really great. Let's put her on our list
Speaker 1: of callbacks because because she can handle more. And then
Speaker 1: she got a bigger role. Maybe that's how that's how
Speaker 1: life works, I think.
Speaker 4: Or she came into audition for the mother and they
Speaker 4: didn't remember they had useder seasons or that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, Okay, well this is a high ranker.
Speaker 1: Next week we have episode twenty. It's called Cupid's Arrow
Speaker 1: and it must be well it's Valentine's Day episode Hello,
Speaker 1: because it's gonna air on in February, the week of
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day.
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, what's gonna happen?
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's gonna get romantic.
Speaker 4: Wow? So good though, what there's gonna be something, Brandon Kelly.
Speaker 1: Obviously I don't know.
Speaker 4: Is your dad coming back?
Speaker 1: What I do not know?
Speaker 4: These are the things I'm excited about. So I'm just asking.
Speaker 1: I mean, people don't believe me when I was like
Speaker 1: when I say like, I did not know that Brandon
Speaker 1: cheated on Kelly and season eight zero recollection of that,
Speaker 1: So I literally have no idea what's going to happen next.
Speaker 4: I don't either. So good.
Speaker 1: I feel better now. I feel better about my yeah
Speaker 1: brain now, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know a lot of what's happening. And that's
Speaker 2: why this season is a very hodge podgy, do you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: Like, it's not like there's a storyline that's so significant
Speaker 3: that you would remember. It's very hodgepodgy.
Speaker 1: Well, we have hope for next week. I hope you
Speaker 1: guys too too. Yes, I Love you.
Speaker 3: By Gus