1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: I'm your host. ESPN and Cardinals broadcast to Dave Pash. 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: What it came on Sunday in Las Vegas. An incredible finish, 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: hopefully a springboard to returning to early season twenty twenty 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: one form as the Cardinals welcome the defending champs, the 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: Rams to town this Sunday. We're going to talk about 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: that game. We're going to talk about the miraculous win 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: for Arizona on Sunday with Kevin Clark, senior football writer 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: and podcaster at The Ringer. He's the host of the 10 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: Slow Newsday video podcast. He's great to talk about for NFL, 11 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: for college football, and he was like us, in shock 12 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: over what we saw Sunday in Vegas and in particular 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: what Kyler Murray did against the Raiders. When you see 14 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: a comeback like that, you understand how valuable Kyler Murray's 15 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: to the franchise and how much he can do on 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: a game to game basis, to where not only is 17 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: no game out of reach, but no play is out 18 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: of reach. That's a special talent. Kevin will also talk 19 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: about the forty nine ers, his thoughts on Jimmy Garoppolo 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: and what this means for Cardinal fans and other teams 21 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: in the NFC. He'll break down the Packers and some 22 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: of the other teams in the NFL. We'll also talk 23 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: about what's going on at Arizona State with the departure 24 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: of Herm Edwards and who could be next as the 25 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: head coach of the Sun Devils. We are presented by BETMGM, 26 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: the official sports betting partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and 27 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: by Hila River Resorts and Casinos. 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From the ringer, 35 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: Kevin clark Well, Kevin, first of all, you have a 36 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: hard act to follow, because our guest last week, Damian 37 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: Lillard of the Portland Trailblazers, brought the Cardinals some incredible 38 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: luck if you can top this, or maybe let's have it, 39 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: so there's no need for the comeback. We'll just take 40 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,119 Speaker 1: a big win over the Rams this Sundays at work. 41 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: That's a big one. The Rams are a lot better 42 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: team than the Raiders. But no, that's I'm I'm happy 43 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: to bring the juice and happy to bring the luck 44 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: to Arizona. So this is the first time you and 45 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: I have actually talked. I think I don't believe we 46 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: have met, but I'm a big so I'm a big fan. 47 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: You do a great job. That's one of the reasons 48 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: I want to have you on. I really enjoy your work, 49 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: whether it's your columns or the podcasting. All the stuff 50 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: you do is great. And you've got like one hundred 51 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: and twenty five thousand followers, so you have quite the 52 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: following on social media, and I've heard you on other platforms. 53 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: Tell our listeners primarily most of the people listening are 54 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: Cardinal fans, So tell our listeners a little bit about 55 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: your background, how you got to where you are, because 56 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: I think you're only in your earlier mid thirties. You 57 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: graduated from Miami right in twenty ten. I did yep, yep. 58 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: So I we're going to company called The Ringer Rome 59 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: by Spotify, and that means we kind of do everything, Davis. 60 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: You know, I guess we all do everything now in media. 61 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: Nobody's just a writer, nobody's just a podcaster or a broadcaster. 62 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: Um and So I started at the Wall Street Journal 63 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: right out of college. We wrote a bunch on the Cardinals. 64 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: UM social day in the Bruce Arian days. Uh you know, 65 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: well I was sat the first time I ever went there. 66 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: I remember a Dave. I don't know if you're around 67 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: for it, but it was when they had so Bruce 68 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: had got had Tom Moore on staff, and he had 69 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: had a had a defensive line coach who had coached 70 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: in Super Bowl one. This is twenty thirteen, okay, and 71 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: and so so Bruce had assembled all of these guys 72 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: who just you know, he wanted them to mentor his 73 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: younger coaches. Um. You think about all the all the 74 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: great talent on that staff back then, um in the 75 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 1: kind of the first any run of the Cardinals at 76 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: the beginning of the last decade. UM and So I 77 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: worked to the Wall Street Journal and then got hired 78 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: by the Ringer and I just I just kind of 79 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: cover the league as a whole um, you know, and 80 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: it's it's as fun as anything because there's so many 81 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: different ways to podcast, videocast. You know, you're gonna have 82 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: Scott Vanpel on my video show tomorrow. Like it's such 83 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: a cool era for media because you can kind of 84 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: create whatever, and you have athletes like Tyler Murray who 85 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: get it on all platforms and and and are interesting 86 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: and it's just a fascinating time in the media. Well, 87 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: you mentioned the staff that BA put together when he 88 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: got here. This is my twenty first year, so I've 89 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: seen quite a few coaches come through here. When I 90 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: got here, mean, Joe Green was an assistant on the staff, 91 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: and the following year, Emmett Smith was an Arizona Cardinal. 92 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: I mean people forget, yeah, that Emmett was here with 93 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. Um, so you're you're doing mostly NFL, but 94 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: I do see you tweeting on college sports as well, 95 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: So I want to hit on that, especially with locally 96 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: anyway here the news with Arizona State. I just happened 97 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: to be doing Arizona State Utah this Saturday. So a 98 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: lot going on there, a lot to talk about obviously 99 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: with her edwards being let go or not let go, 100 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: depending on how you read the press release, right, we've 101 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: got to I think I've a pretty good idea what 102 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: happened there. Yeah, me too, But we've got to figure 103 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: that out and pass through it all at ESPN to 104 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: make sure we, you know, say it the right way 105 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: journalistically on Saturday night. What were your thoughts though when 106 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: you're watching the game on Sunday? First of all, what 107 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: were your thoughts at halftime when it was twenty to nothing? 108 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: Because my thoughts were, my, goodness, this feels like last week, 109 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: which feels like last year, which feels like a losing season. 110 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: I think, you know, bab, you've been around from your 111 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: team for two decades. You can lose the season pretty easily. 112 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: And I think I'm staring at that. And I watched 113 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: that that first sat pretty closely because I just wanted 114 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: to see how they played Davanta Adams. By the way 115 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: they did it actually a nicer job than the Chargers 116 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: did a week before, and a lot of those in 117 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: the Adams routes. But I was watching that game and 118 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: when I saw it was twenty and nothing, I just 119 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,119 Speaker 1: started to say, here we go. Again, which I'm sure 120 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: a lot of Cardinals fans thought, maybe some of the players, 121 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: maybe the staff of diffront office. I mean, there's just 122 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: a I feel like there was there was a way 123 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: that game could have gone that was created a lot 124 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: of pessimism, and the good news is the comeback was 125 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: frankly astounding to the point that you see what Kyler 126 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: Murray is capable of. And when you get the type 127 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: of contract Kyler has gotten, you know, one of the 128 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: things that I always wonder and I don't think you know, 129 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: you think about all of the huge, mega contracts they 130 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: were going around with quarterbacks. Now, not all of them 131 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: create value. Some of them are just like good enough 132 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: to play quarterback, and you know, and we're gonna give 133 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: him twenty five million dollars or thirty million dollars a 134 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: year because he's there, right, you're kind of stuck there. 135 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: I mean, that was always the kind of Andy Dalton 136 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: problem right in Cincinnati, which is you got to pay 137 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: a guy twenty five million dollars up the kaplan, maybe 138 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: you should have just rolled it over and gotten a 139 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: rookie contractor or at quarterback, you know, going forward, So 140 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: when you see a comeback like that, and I didn't 141 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: ever think Kyler was in that bucket. But when you 142 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: see a comeback like that, you understand how valuable Kyler 143 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: Murray is to the franchise and how much he can 144 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: do on a game to game basis, to where not 145 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: only is no game out of reach, but no play 146 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: is out of reach. I mean, how many games, how 147 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: many plays in the game yesterday did you see and say, Okay, 148 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: this one's over and then Kyler made it happen. That's 149 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: a special talent And I don't listen. I don't think 150 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: he's ready to be a kind of top ten, you know, 151 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: super Bowl level of talent, but he the path is 152 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: a lot shorter than people think. And I think that 153 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: there's been an extremely weird narrative around him, especially since 154 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: the second half of last season. But I think we're 155 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: starting to see and if he didn't think this, you 156 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: do now. Kyler is a special, special guy who's worth 157 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: the money and worth the attack. Interview got when when 158 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: he got into this a few years ago. Day. So 159 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: you have on a lot of players, coaches. You mentioned 160 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: you have SVP on, so you're constantly talking to people 161 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: that are dialed into the NFL in your opinion, and 162 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: do you think that others would share this opinion? Did 163 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: what happened yesterday? Is that enough to flip a season, 164 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: to flip a franchise, because it's not just a play 165 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: that could turn around this season. It can turn around 166 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: all the bad narrative from last year as well. I mean, 167 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: so much of that has to do with this this week, 168 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: because what how do you how do you measure up 169 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: against the Rams, who are not only the class of 170 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: of the division, but the class of the NFL. Um 171 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: that to me, it is fascinating. There was now a 172 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: stat I saw, Um, then you have obviously the Panthers, 173 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: after that, the Eagles after that, Seahawks stains, but there's 174 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,599 Speaker 1: some winnable games in that stretch day. There was a 175 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: stat I saw yesterday. There was astounding that that I 176 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: think that the Cardinals have won like eighth straighte games, 177 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: have won outright eighth right games when they're a road underdog. 178 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: They're a team that has the mentality that is really 179 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: fascinating to me. They can go in and win places 180 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: that maybe other teams can and so obviously they've got 181 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: the home game against the Rams, but then they go 182 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: on the road a lot in October and November against 183 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: some pretty interesting teams, and I think that they can. 184 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: They were a playoff team a year ago. They had 185 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: the talent to do this. Like I think that, as 186 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: I said earlier, the Vibes were heading in a bad direction, 187 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: that they lose that game yesterday, But I completely agree 188 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: with you that this is set up for maybe a 189 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: better season than we thought. And it all comes down 190 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: to that half. The last time the Cardinals saw the Rams, 191 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: it was ugly. I was there, and it was Even 192 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: though the Cardinals played poorly down the stretch in the 193 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: regular season, it went to another level in the postseason. 194 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: It was just an outright disaster on a lot of levels. 195 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: But early last season the Cardinals, people forget nominated the Rams. 196 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: It was one of the worst games the Rams played 197 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: all year. Aaron Donald was completely shut down. They could 198 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: do nothing against the Cardinals. Now, again, that was a 199 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: year ago. So much has changed since then. How do 200 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: you look at this matchup because what I've seen from 201 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: the Rams so far is similar to last year because 202 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: the Rams got hot in the postseason. It came down 203 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: to week the final week of the season. The Cardinals 204 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: had to lose at home and the Rams had to 205 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: win for them to win the division. Things might have 206 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: changed if the Cardinals win that final game of the 207 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: regular season. So do you view the Rams kind of 208 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: the same or do you think they're better this year 209 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: than they were in the regular season last year? No, 210 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I listen that first game with the Rams 211 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: was certainly concerning that with the Bills. But well, I'll 212 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: say about the Rams, is I think that And this 213 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: happens a lot of the time where a team will 214 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: make a run in January and exactly what you're saying, 215 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: we kind of reverse engineer that they were the best 216 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: team the entire time as long as they're you talked 217 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: about in the national media is good and all that stuff. 218 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: And I have a good coach, have a good quarterback. 219 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: And essentially because I did a piece on Matt Lafleur 220 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, Dave, and one of the 221 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: things that Sean McVay told Matt Lafleur is that he 222 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: views the playoffs like March madness. And what he means 223 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: by that is it's not the best team that wins, 224 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: it's the best team that wins over a three hour space, right, 225 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: And so he started to engineer, like, how do I 226 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: mac McVay, how do I maximize those three hours? Because 227 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: it's not about October, it's not about November fifth, it's 228 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: about January tenth. And so I think the way McVey 229 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 1: started to view the postseason helps him. Last year. I 230 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: don't think you know, in the regular season, we saw 231 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: the Cardinals and the Rams were not that far off, 232 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: and so this is about I think that playoff experience 233 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: is its own beast. I think that the Cardinals obviously 234 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: got their doors blown off in that in that spot 235 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: last time I played the Rams. But I think that 236 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: that just comes from experience, not just just Cliff Kingsbury 237 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: at the NFL level, but Kyler Murray getting those represent 238 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: I mean not you have to be a special special 239 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: team in order to make a deep run on the 240 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: playoffs is not any playoff experience. It's a completely different beast, 241 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: especially with the expanded playoffs. It's just different. And I 242 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: think a guy like Sean McVey understood that. I mean, 243 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: by the way, that's why you go out and get 244 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford because you understand how much talent it takes 245 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: once you get to the final four, once you get 246 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: to the final two in the conference. You know that, 247 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: That to me is understanding the barrier for entry. And 248 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: so a team like the Cardinals, great quarterback, a lot 249 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: of talent all over the place. What they need to 250 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 1: do over the next two or three years become a 251 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: super Bowl team is to do those kind of big swings. 252 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: But I don't think on any given on a week 253 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: to week basis that there's some huge gap between the 254 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: Cardinals and the rest of division. I was like an 255 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: idiot Dave last year when I think I went on 256 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 1: Calvert and I was just joking about. I was like, man, 257 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: you know, prais the Cliff Kings because she's got the 258 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: NFCU West to deal with. Meanwhile, I didn't know that 259 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: they they had to deal with the Cardinals, you know. 260 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: And so I've already learned my lesson on that stuff 261 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: as far as saying, oh, you know, the Cardinals can 262 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: hang with these teams. They can hang with it, and 263 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: a lot of it has to deal with the quarterback 264 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: and the roster. You bring up an interesting point about 265 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: the postseason, because we can say all we want that 266 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: it is different than the regular season. It is its 267 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: own animal. But till you're in the middle of it. 268 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: Maybe you don't realize that, and that I think had 269 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: a lot to do with what happened last year. For 270 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people that are members of the Cardinals, 271 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: it's a young roster in twenty twenty one, it's Kyler 272 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: Murray's first postseason game. It's different than college football, it's 273 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: different than high school obviously. It's just you cannot possibly 274 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: prepare mentally for what that's like. Do you think having 275 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: gone through that and then what Kyler did on Sunday 276 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: the comeback? There were some games last year and even 277 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: going back to his rookie year, where the Cardinals would 278 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: come back, but usually the game went how it started. 279 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: If Kyler played great early on, the Cardinals usually won 280 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: the game. If the Cardinals struggled offensively early on and 281 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: got behind, they usually didn't win the game. It feels 282 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: like they took this big step. So I'm kind of 283 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: jumping around here talking about the postseason last year in 284 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: Week two this year, But do you see a correlation 285 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: maybe to a young quarterback growing so when the opportunity 286 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: presents itself again, just like a different Matthew Stafford. After 287 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: losing those playoff games in Detroit, He's better suited to 288 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: have success. Yeah, I mean you think about it. The 289 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: answer is yes. The big overarching answer is yes, Well 290 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: you think about it. It's so many little things. How 291 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: do you rest on a playoff week? When do you 292 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: step on the gas? When do you knock? Do you 293 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: go full pads Wednesday or Thursday or both? You know, 294 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: I mean stuff like that, because you know, you're basically 295 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: all the rules were set, all the practice rules buncharted waters. 296 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: Are you a betteran team or a young team? There's 297 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: so many different things, and so I think Dick listening 298 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: last playoff game for the Cardinals was a complete disaster. 299 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: The entire national picture looked at that media whomever and said, 300 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: this is bad. Something's got to change, right. But I 301 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: do think there's a case to be made kind of 302 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: like what we're talking about, where it can only go 303 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: up because they understand what this is about, and they 304 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: understand the team. Like the Rams has been there many 305 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: different times and upgraded the talent and kind of got 306 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: above the barrier for enter to be a super Bowl 307 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: type team. The Cardinals understand what that looks like. You know, 308 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of discussion about the extensions. Obviously 309 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: they were handed out before the Kyler murray, before the 310 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: mc murray contract, But at least the Cardinals know what 311 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: they are for the next few years and then they 312 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: can go from there. So I think that this structure 313 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: making the playoffs, like I do, think at some point 314 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: you're going to break through and make a run because 315 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: you understand what it's all about and you got the 316 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: quarterback to do it. When you look at Sean McVay, 317 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: in your opinion, what's the secret sauce to his success? 318 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: Because I've talked to so many people, whether it's coaches 319 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: or players, former players that played for Sean McVay, or 320 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: current players that played for Sean McVay when he was 321 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: an assistant coach, and everybody says, we always knew, we 322 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: always knew that he was going to have success. And sometimes, 323 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: you know, you talked to coaches about a particularly successful 324 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: coach and they'll say, well, Phil Jackson, for example in 325 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: the NBA, people say, well, look you had Michael Jordan 326 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: and Kobe Bryant, but still all those championships. There's something 327 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: you're doing right besides just having talents. So what do 328 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: you think it is with Sean McVeigh. I think a 329 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: couple of things. Number one is that players buy them 330 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: when they know they're going to make plays and be 331 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: put in position to win, right, And so that that's 332 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: number one. Number two is I think there's a leadership 333 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: element to it that I think goes overlooked, and I 334 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: think the people did see Sean McVey is this guy 335 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: in a lab coming up with man beaters. And it's 336 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: it's not that it's not just the plays, it's understanding 337 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: his roster really well. It's passion. Um, you know, I mean, 338 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: like just just something as little as I asked to 339 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: talk to him for the Matt before piece and he 340 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: was on the phone with me twelve hours later, um, 341 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: and and just so excited it talked about Matt And 342 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, one of the funny things was he was 343 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: laying it on a little thick game where he was saying, 344 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: you know, I don't I didn't. I didn't teach Matt anything. 345 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: Because I said, hey, hey, did you uh you know 346 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: what what he what did Matt take from me that 347 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: you now see you on the field. He's like, I didn't, 348 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: I didn't teach Matt anything. He taught me. You know. 349 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: It's that kind of stuff. And there's this there's this compassion, 350 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: there's this human element um where he's just like just 351 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: a good person. I think that that that's the read 352 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: I get from it. The guys want to be around him, 353 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: guys want to play for him, um, and so it 354 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: all fits together. And i'd also say that he opens 355 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: up his football world to his assistance and I think 356 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: he learned that a little bit from Kylie Shanahan as well. 357 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,719 Speaker 1: And I think you see the kind of Shanahan McVay 358 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: tree have success, not just because play action and all 359 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: that stuff just helps and maximize is your value on 360 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: a football field, and there's certain concepts that just really 361 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: work against modern defenses. There's that, But on the other hand, 362 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 1: they just understand what it means to be a head 363 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: coach very early because you've heard stories. You know, everybody 364 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: in New England is pretty siloed and they don't necessarily 365 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: learn everything that Bill Belichick has to offer. Because of that, 366 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: the McVeigh tree is that is way more open, way 367 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: more honest, I would say, amongst the group. And so 368 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: you're seeing just it's a different vibe in Los Angeles 369 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: and people want to be there. And then once that happens, 370 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: everything starts to build on itself. You know, Kevin Demoff, 371 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: who's basically their team president without the title, said to 372 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: me one time that the best kind of inefficiency or 373 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: the best competitive advantage is the way you put it 374 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: is winning, because once you start winning, people just say, hey, 375 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: I'll actually take the million and a half dollar contract 376 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: to play here instead of the five million dollar contract 377 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: to play in Jacksonville. Whatever it is, right, And that's 378 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: we're seeing. We're seeing this set up now in Los 379 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: Angeles where it's becoming a bit of a machine because 380 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: people are attracted to it and will take less money, 381 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: and then that just keeps on building. Kevin. Looking at 382 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: some of the other interesting stories in the NFL. In 383 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 1: the NFC West San Francisco, I am more fearful now 384 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: with the forty nine ers that Jimmy Garoppolo is back 385 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: under center, just because every move that John Lynch and 386 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan made in the last month and a half 387 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: screamed we don't trust Trey Lance. And that's unfortunate what 388 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: happened to him. You hate it to see a guy 389 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: go down like that and lose this whole season. But 390 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: I think the forty nine ers are going to be 391 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: better because of it, given Jimmy G's previous success. Not 392 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: saying he's Patrick Mahomes, but this guy's been to a 393 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: super Bowl, been to an NFC Championship game? Am I right? 394 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: Should should Cardinal fans be more fearful of the forty 395 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: nine ers right now? One hundred percent? You are correct. 396 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: I mean that the entire last month, I mean bringing 397 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: Meg even back in the first place, all to talk 398 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: about sort of a I wouldn't call a locker room descent, 399 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: because I don't think there was any of that. But 400 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: there was a report that basically Kyle and John Lynch 401 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: should ask the veterans and the locker room to have 402 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: trades back because they knew how popular Jimmy was, and 403 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: there was it seemed like there was a lot of 404 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: requests for buying when I think people probably knew that 405 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: the best chance to win in week one or week 406 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: two was with Jimmy Garoppolo. And so you don't go 407 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: through that process, you don't go to that learning curve, 408 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: you don't do anything, and now what you what you're 409 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: left with is an NFC Championship caliber team. They almost 410 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: won this time in January. The last season and there's 411 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: nothing they have to press the reset button on. This 412 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: is a dangerous team with a good coach and a 413 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: quarterback and said run the offense. Listen. John Lynch was 414 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: in our, Kyle Shanahan was in Peter Things column today 415 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: basically saying, listen, they they've lost They're starting quarterback four 416 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: out of the last six years. Most of the time 417 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: that was Jimmy. But if Jimmy can stay healthy, the 418 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: ceiling is really high. It's always been a question of health. 419 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: And so if he could finish the season, I get 420 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: a division contending team, the Green Bay Packers. You just 421 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: touched on that you had spoken recently with Matt Laflour 422 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: did a piece on him, who without Davante Adams, are 423 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: they as good as they were last year? And did 424 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: you get any insight into why they continue to struggle 425 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: in the postseason, especially at home? Hey, they asked themselves 426 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: that question all the time. I mean, it's so funny 427 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: because you know, there's haven't been around sports so long. 428 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: There's so many teams that won three or four championships 429 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: in a row, or made three or four championships in 430 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: a row, and one two of them, where if you 431 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: just go back six months before the first title. They're 432 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: all these stories now they can't win the big one 433 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: right where they can't break through Like this happens all 434 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: the time in sports, and it's true until you don't 435 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: you know that McVeigh rams probably left a ring or 436 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: two on the on the table if you're just looking 437 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: at look at up from three thou thirty thousand feet 438 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: m But I think that with the Packers, at some point, 439 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: I think this will be the year they will break through. 440 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: And I don't think they know why they struggle. I 441 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: think a little bit of it is, you know, it's 442 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: a lot of coaches who are familiar with Matt Lafleur 443 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: understand the offense. Aaron Rodgers in the cold, he says 444 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: it's an advantage, but is a play calling and vis 445 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: the offense kind of had that advantage still when it's 446 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: five degrees or whatever it is. Obviously the special team 447 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: is mistakes last year were unbelievable and they went out 448 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: and upgraded that and so Rich Bapaccia being there is 449 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: a huge, huge, huge upgrade in Green Bay, and so 450 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: I don't know why they struggle with Davante Adams in particular, 451 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: fishing because I think they're going to run the ball more. 452 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: We saw that last night. Lafleur basically hinted at it 453 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: when we had our long talk. But Aaron Rodgers said 454 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: he thought that over the course of the season is 455 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: going to be a similar amount of targets, a similar 456 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: amount of passes. And the reason the offense was built 457 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: around Davante Adams, he said, is because he was open 458 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: eighty percent of the time. So the offense both through 459 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: an eighty percent of the time. It wasn't like, hey, 460 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: we have to have all these plays for Davante. It 461 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: was more like Davante's open, it'd be stupid to go 462 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: to Alan was art on the other side, So I 463 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: think that they have a faith Eventually, some of those 464 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: guys have been open, whether it's Romeo Dobbs, Christian Watson, 465 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: obviously album was artists still there but working through injury, 466 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: those guys will get up to speed over the course 467 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: of the year, and I think I frankly, by January, 468 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: I think the Super Bowl favorites. Wow, okay, good stuff 469 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: on that. I'm thankful the Cardinals don't play them this year. 470 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: Obviously the game last year was phenomenal, but the ending 471 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: unfortunate Cardinals had a chance to win that game. We 472 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 1: all remember what happened. You've got the Giants at two 473 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: and oh and the Dolphins at two and which team 474 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: is for real or is it both or neither? I'd rather, frankly, 475 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: I would rather be the Dolphins and the Giants right now. 476 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: On the other hand, for the twenty twenty two season. 477 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: On the other hand, anything the Giants do is a 478 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: pleasant surprise. And what I mean by that is I 479 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time reporting around the Buffalo Bills, 480 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: where Joe Shane and Brian Daboll came from. They used 481 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: the first two seasons from a roster standpoint as kind 482 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: of a wash, and they took i think after the 483 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: first season, and they took the biggest deadcap charge in 484 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: the history of football in order to get some of 485 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: those contracts off the books to start rebuilding. And so 486 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: one of the reasons I thought that maybe I wasn't 487 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: going to pick the Giants this year was because I thought, maybe, 488 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: if they don't have expectations, why should I have expectations. 489 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: The fact that they're having success now suggests that there 490 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: might be as long as they hit on the quarterback 491 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: eventually kind of a Buffalo like set up there where 492 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: they start winning. There's a foundation and then they start 493 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: adding the pieces and kind of doing the retool and 494 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: the rebuild, whatever you want to call it. So I'd 495 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: rather be maybe the Giants as franchise over the next 496 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: ten years. Having said that, this Dolphins team is talented there. 497 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: I think there makes playoffs this year. They're talented. Michael 498 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: Daniel was an awesome coach. You can scheam them up. 499 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: There's probably more i'd say, high end players in that 500 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: roster than we give her credit for. I think because 501 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: of the last few years with the two weird miss 502 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: and Ryan Fitzpatrick and some of those other problems that 503 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: there wasn't you know, Jalen Wile and Tyreek Hill are 504 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: two of the best receivers in football. The line has 505 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: at least improved where two look can stand up there. 506 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: They're defensive players like Byron Jones Davier. I mean, you 507 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: think about even a guy like Javon Holland, like those 508 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: are top, top tier guys, and so I'm not surprised 509 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: at all the mic the game was able to have 510 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: the team looking like a ten win team. The joy 511 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: of the season any team right now that's struggling that 512 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: you see turning it around and being in the championship 513 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: conversation at the end of the year, or do you 514 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: think what we've seen through two weeks is is going 515 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: to be what we see for the most part this season. 516 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: I mean the Bengals, I don't know what you do 517 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: with the Bengals right now, and Lyle Cowins looked like, 518 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to do that. Herbally here 519 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: he looks like one of the worst players in football, 520 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: Like he's letting guys, let Michael Parsons just around him 521 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: all the time. I know Michael Parson is one of 522 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: the best players in football, but he couldn't do anything 523 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: yesterday to the point that I don't know if you saw, 524 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: but Joe looked at Zach Taylor and said, don't don't 525 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: put me an empty anymore between basically like give me 526 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: more blockers. And for a guy like Joe Burrow to 527 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: say that is really rare. I've spent a lot of 528 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: time down in Cincinnati and some time with Joe. He 529 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: loves getting guys out into a route and he's ready 530 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: to take an extra hit because of it. The idea 531 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: that he would ask for more blockers. I'm don't quote 532 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: me on this, but I doubt that's ever happened. Frankly, 533 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: when you talk to him with the coaching and you 534 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: talk to Joe Burrow how much he loves those empty sets, 535 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: and so I don't know what you do there. But 536 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: if that gets fixed, the defense is playing well enough, 537 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: I think that they'll be kind of there in mid January. 538 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: I just think that, you know, it's such a huge 539 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: problem from a franchise standpoint, Dave, if you think you 540 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: fix something like the Bengals offensive line and you didn't, 541 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,959 Speaker 1: and to invest those resources, and man, it's they can 542 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 1: get ugly real fast there. So I see a tweeting 543 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: often about college football, could probably ask you anything about 544 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: college football. But again, most of people listening here are 545 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: Cardinal fans, So I think everybody's kind of curious what's 546 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: next for Arizona State. Do you have somebody in mind 547 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: you think that Arizona State should look at because everything 548 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 1: I've read, it's a combination of college coaches and NFL coaches. 549 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: Head coaches, Like I don't see anybody tweeting or writing about, 550 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: you know, a current coordinator at another college it's all. 551 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: It's like big names too, and I'm not sure that 552 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: Arizona State is going to attract that name. Okay, So 553 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: let's say a step back here. So I saw a 554 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: recruiting because I'm from Florida and that's kind of what 555 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: we do. And it's interesting because if you look at 556 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: the trends, the population trends, in the last ten years, 557 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: Arizona and probably North Carolina you'd put in this bucket too, 558 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: have gotten more blue chip recruits than a lot of 559 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: other things. And what I mean by that is it 560 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: just seems like the number of four and five stars 561 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: in Arizona, North Carolina, a little bit of Virginia too, 562 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: that number is increasing because there's a lot of people 563 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: moving from Los Angeles, a lot of people are moving 564 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: from San Francisco, and I'm sure you see it, you know, 565 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: weekly when when you're in the valley there. And so 566 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: I think that the high school football in Arizona has 567 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: gotten appreciably better, and I think pretty much everybody agrees 568 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: with that in college football. So I think what you 569 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: do if you're Arizona State is you get a god 570 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: tier recruiter and just start getting those guys home and 571 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: I don't know who that could be. Necessarily. I mean, 572 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: Miami solved the problem with Mario christ Ball because you know, 573 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: every kid who was from Fort Lauderdale or Miami decided 574 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: to go out and and go play for Nick Saban 575 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: or Kirby Smart. That had to stop. I think, if 576 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: you just get the guys who are from the Phoenix area, 577 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: you're a PAC twelve contender every single year, especially once 578 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: USC leaves. And so I don't know what that what 579 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: that looks like. I would not go with a retread 580 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: like a Brian Harrison type. I saw Dan Maulan linked 581 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: there today. Dan Mullen didn't want to recruit of Florida 582 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, He's going to recruit at Arizona State. Um, 583 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: I would just go out and find the best recruiter available. 584 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I certainly wouldn't go for for an Urban 585 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: Meyer type. Right trying stat I mean what about listen 586 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: and what's not speculated on jobs that aren't open? But 587 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: what about a Matt Rule. Um, you know, I don't 588 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: know if he's going to get I don't know what 589 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: the biggest job open would be. Maybe he'd be in 590 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: the mix for for an Auburn Um. Maybe he'd be 591 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: in the mix for Nebraska. But if I'm Arizona State, 592 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: that's a pretty good option because he can recruit. He 593 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: had a pretty good actor talent um, and he obviously 594 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: knew how to develop them once they're on campus. So 595 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: I think somebody like that would be a home run 596 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: higher if they want to spend the money and want 597 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: to commit the resources. Well, I started here in last 598 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: year that Matt Rule wanted to go back to college football. 599 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: Cardinals played Carolina next week. But I started hearing that 600 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: last year, and maybe it was just because at the 601 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: situation in Carolina he didn't believe in the quarterback and 602 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: maybe things have changed now that they have Baker. And 603 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: in terms of Urban, Meyer actually talked to Urban a 604 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, and first of all, he has 605 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: no interest in coaching. But the report or the rumor, 606 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: whatever it was about Arizona State being interested, that was 607 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: the first he had heard of it. So I don't 608 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: see any shot of that. And to your point, Dan 609 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: Mullen now is doing television. You know you're in the 610 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: SEC for as long as he was in the SEC 611 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: in Mississippi State, in Florida and now you're doing TV. Boy, 612 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: it's a lot more comfortable doing that than it is 613 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: trying to grind and recruit and try to win over 614 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: a state. But what you said about USC is really interesting. 615 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: The departure of SC and UCLA to the Big Ten 616 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: may ultimately be the best thing that happens to Arizona 617 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: State with the expanded playoff. Are you kidding me? I mean, like, 618 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: if you I'm not listening, there are I don't think. 619 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: I don't think at all. And you've seen these arguments. 620 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen them as well. That okay, Well, 621 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: once Michigan starts making the playoffs every year, they'll get 622 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: better recruits and all of a sudden they'll close the 623 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: gap with Georgia. I don't think that's true at all. 624 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: I think that the Georgia's going to get all of 625 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: the guys who they want this out and they don't 626 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: go to Alabama and vice versa. Right, That's just sort 627 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: of how it works as long as Kirby and Nick 628 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: Saban were there. But if you're a team like Arizona State, 629 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: you can close the gap with a lot of teams. 630 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: If you start winning the Pact twelve and start getting 631 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: into the playoffs every single year, and a guy from 632 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: Phoenix decides to go there instead of going to UCLA 633 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: or USC or Washington or Oregon or any of these places, 634 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: or Texas. I mean, you think about it. I don't 635 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: know how much you follow recruiting, but Kille Ringo, who 636 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: had the pick six in the National Championship last year, 637 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: is from Arizona and I think in a different era 638 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: he would have gone to USC, Texas somewhere out west 639 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: if he didn't stay home and go to Arizona State. 640 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: And so if you just start kind of getting back 641 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: to more regional recruiting because you can promise consistent playoff appearances, 642 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: that changes the entire perspective. And for a team like 643 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: Arizona State, it only takes one or two recruits to 644 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: change the entire narrative. Kevin, I appreciate the time. Last 645 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,719 Speaker 1: thing you mentioned you got Scott van Pell coming up 646 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: this week on your podcast. What else do you have 647 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: going on this week and next that we can promote 648 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: for you? Oh, I'm trying to think. So we have 649 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: actually just booked a former NFL stars going to come 650 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: on next week. Forday, it's not one hundred percent of firms, 651 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: so I won't say it. Friday we do a pix 652 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: kind of podcast son of a podcast called Slow Newsday, 653 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: and it's a video podcast if you have Spotify, if 654 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: you're on Apple, it's a regular old podcasts. But Mondays 655 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: we do an NFL recap with Lindsay Jones, who we 656 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: just hired, who was wonderful smooth from the Athletic. Wednesdays 657 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: will be the SCP thing this week, and then we'll 658 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: have with Cowherd on last week as well, and then 659 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: Friday's we do a one college segment, one pro segment, 660 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: just to gets you ready for the weekend. So that 661 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,719 Speaker 1: day it's called Slow Newsday with Kevin Clark and it's 662 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: available every get in your podcast. Well this is great, man. 663 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed getting a chance to talk to you, Kevin, 664 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: and hopefully we have to do this in person at 665 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: some point down the road. Would love it, howe if 666 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: you're in New York, I appreciate it man. Well. As 667 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: you can see, Kevin has dialed in not just on 668 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: the Cardinals, but on all things NFL and college football, 669 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: some really good stuff on Arizona State. I wasn't planning, 670 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: really spent a lot of time there, but I thought 671 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: what he said about the departure of USC and USA 672 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: LA to the Big Ten and how that could really 673 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: transform Arizona State if they find the head coach I 674 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: thought was really interesting. Along with this, thoughts on the Cardinals, 675 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: the Rams, Packers, Niners, and some of the other teams 676 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: in the NFL that could be in contention to win 677 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. We are presented by bet MGM, the 678 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: official sports betting partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and by 679 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: Hila River Resorts and Casinos. You can follow us on 680 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: Twitter at pashpod, and please go to your podcast platform 681 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: and tell us what to think. If there's any guests 682 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: that you'd love to see us get on in the future, 683 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: we'd love to hear from you. Thanks again to Kevin 684 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: Clark from The Ringer, and thanks again to you for 685 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 1: listening to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast.