Speaker 1: Twelve of the NFL's finest quarterbacks have left the comfort
Speaker 1: of their stadiums and luxury suites for the adventure of
Speaker 1: a lifetime. These brit iron heroes are used to leading
Speaker 1: their teams on the field, but can they outplay, outlast,
Speaker 1: and outthrow each other in the ultimate survival challenge?
Speaker 2: You ain't everything you have with the Gobaine tied you.
Speaker 3: We find a way to win, they.
Speaker 2: No matter what.
Speaker 1: The stakes are high and the competition is fierce. Only
Speaker 1: one can claim the title of the ultimate survivor. Who
Speaker 1: will rise to the top and who will be sacked?
Speaker 2: They wrote me off.
Speaker 3: I ain't right back, though, that's the problem. I'm right back.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 1: This is Quarterback Island.
Speaker 2: This is Quarterback Island. Here on NFL Daily.
Speaker 4: Usually we're in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio, but today,
Speaker 4: of course, we are on Quarterback Island. I'm Greg Rosenthal
Speaker 4: here with three time Quarterback Island resident Steve Weiss, a
Speaker 4: man of the Islands.
Speaker 3: We're all in the same beige pellette right now.
Speaker 5: We didn't dress for the island.
Speaker 3: No, it's a breezy. It's a breeze, you know.
Speaker 4: It observes the sun and yes, Jordan Rodrigue of the Athletic,
Speaker 4: who has been there from the very beginning. You're you're
Speaker 4: stressed this morning because you left your notes that you
Speaker 4: had made at four in the morning at home. It
Speaker 4: is contagious and now I'm I'm a little stressed out.
Speaker 4: I don't know what's going to happen on this QB Island.
Speaker 4: I gotta say, I'm coming into it with a very
Speaker 4: open mind, not sure what's going to happen.
Speaker 5: Why, oh no, because I know what you're doing.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's on the island. You know, we're a watch here.
Speaker 6: You just kind of go when the sun's up and
Speaker 6: the sun's down.
Speaker 2: So QB Island, what is it?
Speaker 4: It's a place where the best quarterbacks in the NFL reside.
Speaker 4: Only twelve can stay on the island. Before the season
Speaker 4: even started, You two and Colleen Wolf and I we've
Speaker 4: all contributed to putting twelve quarterbacks on Quarterback Island and
Speaker 4: they've stayed there throughout the course of the season. What
Speaker 4: it means to be on quarterback on You had some
Speaker 4: questions before the show, Steve, But to me, it means
Speaker 4: who is defining the position right now in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 4: who is playing the best and is the most important
Speaker 4: at the position.
Speaker 6: And I like how you said right now because we've
Speaker 6: seen and with this being the third iteration, I think
Speaker 6: we've just seen certain growth, certain shortcomings as to where
Speaker 6: this is why we got to put guys on and
Speaker 6: cold guys off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we will be the.
Speaker 6: Twelve right now. Man, it is going to be hard
Speaker 6: to pull people off. We've done a good job.
Speaker 7: It's been cool because we've seen as certain teams have
Speaker 7: ascended and become the defining teams of their respective divisions,
Speaker 7: even their respective conferences. We have seen quarterbacks leading those
Speaker 7: teams in certain ways. We've also seen some of the
Speaker 7: conference and division defining teams their quarterback maybe takes a
Speaker 7: step back from the superstars on the roster. It's been
Speaker 7: very interesting. I think all of these things factor in
Speaker 7: and weigh in Quarterback Island.
Speaker 5: We're back.
Speaker 4: Okay, Let's look at the current members of the Island.
Speaker 4: Good voted by the panel back in week eight or so.
Speaker 4: Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, this is an alphabetic border, Jaden Daniels,
Speaker 4: Jared Goff, Justin, Herbert Lamar Jackson, very strong six pack
Speaker 4: right there, Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murray who was an addition
Speaker 4: last time around. Brock Purty, Gino Smith also got onto
Speaker 4: the island for the first time. Matthew Stafford, he's out
Speaker 4: there at the old Folks Home.
Speaker 2: At the Island and CJ.
Speaker 5: Ramp leading up to his villa.
Speaker 4: And this time around, we're going to start the discussion
Speaker 4: with what quarterbacks aren't safe, and there's going to be
Speaker 4: a few that aren't safe because we are making a
Speaker 4: little bit of a change here on quarterback. There we go,
Speaker 4: we're reducing the numbers. We're getting to December less teams
Speaker 4: in the playoff mix, less quarterbacks, really defining the position.
Speaker 4: We are taking this number from twelve down to ten quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: So right off the bat, we got to get at
Speaker 4: least two quarterbacks off the island. And you meant you
Speaker 4: also came up. You know, Jordan, you're an executive producer.
Speaker 4: You weren't in the meetings that decided this number. But
Speaker 4: with a riptide, you can choose at one point in
Speaker 4: the season if you want to, if you want to
Speaker 4: just stake your claiming a guy that has to be
Speaker 4: on the island. That's called the riptide you could use
Speaker 4: that at any point in the season. So let's let's
Speaker 4: get started, and let's pick someone from that list of
Speaker 4: quarterbacks on the island who is no longer safe.
Speaker 7: I'm I will lead this off because, as you know,
Speaker 7: and as our loyal and very vocal listeners know, I
Speaker 7: have been fighting the good fight for a one John
Speaker 7: Matthew Stafford who a long time, And I'm gonna come
Speaker 7: out swinging with this because, yes, I still think that
Speaker 7: he is one of the best quarterbacks in the league
Speaker 7: year over year.
Speaker 5: Yes he can make every throw.
Speaker 7: Yes, when he is on and healthy and has his
Speaker 7: cast around him as planned, he can elevate that cast
Speaker 7: into levels that we have hardly seen production wise from
Speaker 7: not only the Rams but from any offense. But right now,
Speaker 7: the entire operation is playing slow. They're getting off to
Speaker 7: slow start after slow start. Nine consecutive or nine games
Speaker 7: of their games this season that they've been held without
Speaker 7: a touchdown in the first quarter. That has something to
Speaker 7: do with who is playing quarterback. It has a lot
Speaker 7: to do with the cast and all of the issues
Speaker 7: that they've had, but it also is a part of
Speaker 7: being the quarterback of that football team. And as it
Speaker 7: stands now, he is fifteenth or lower in several major stats,
Speaker 7: including completion percentage, yards per attempt, EPA per drop back.
Speaker 7: He's at sixteen right now. We're defining the position right now.
Speaker 2: Right now, right now, projecting forward, and it's about how they've.
Speaker 7: Played Cpoe and I've I've thought he's had some absolutely outstanding,
Speaker 7: astounding moments this season, and he could again down the stretch.
Speaker 7: You know how the Rams turned it on this time
Speaker 7: last year. But if we're talking right now over the
Speaker 7: last several games, I'm gonna have to apologies to Matthew.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to.
Speaker 7: See him tomorrow, but I am kicking him off of quarterback.
Speaker 2: You better hope Kelly's not listening.
Speaker 4: This is a stunner right off the bat that you
Speaker 4: would lead with Stafford, the Rams beat writer.
Speaker 5: Well, I have TV Craig.
Speaker 7: I have to own it because I've been fighting for
Speaker 7: him and I believed in him and I do still
Speaker 7: believe in him. But if I'm looking at this group
Speaker 7: and I'm looking at the cutdown, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 7: say no to Matthew Stafford on the island for right.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm with you. It's interesting.
Speaker 4: I didn't think you were gonna go there, you too,
Speaker 4: all right, we are voting Matthew Stafford off the island.
Speaker 2: You're watching it on YouTube. I have it.
Speaker 5: I have to own it. I have to be the
Speaker 5: one to own it.
Speaker 7: If I was the one fighting for him that hard,
Speaker 7: and this is appointed comment, then I also have to
Speaker 7: be the one to own it.
Speaker 4: I own by the way, that I was pushing hard
Speaker 4: to get Kirk Cousins on the island last time.
Speaker 2: I glad you guys talked to me out of that.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 5: I literally glad.
Speaker 2: I never not even close.
Speaker 4: Now, guy, you guys are seers, and I didn't think
Speaker 4: you would go here, especially off that because woman on
Speaker 4: the edge.
Speaker 2: The only reason.
Speaker 4: Why is because I think he has stabilized a little
Speaker 4: over the last three or four weeks. He's been consistent.
Speaker 4: But is he defining? Is he excelling? Is he the
Speaker 4: Stafford we used to know?
Speaker 7: Not quite no, Because what they're doing now, after these
Speaker 7: slow starts, they have turned back to the run.
Speaker 5: They have turned back to moving the ball on the ground.
Speaker 7: And listen, you're gonna be hard pressed to hear me
Speaker 7: like legitimately criticize one of the best quarterbacks I think
Speaker 7: we've seen in a long time and somebody who overall
Speaker 7: in history, in the history of the league, is one
Speaker 7: of several quarterbacks who does define the position. But if
Speaker 7: we're talking talking about right now this year, this is
Speaker 7: a player who when he's on, when he's at his
Speaker 7: highest level, we've all seen it. He can lift this
Speaker 7: offense with the throws that he can make, with the movement,
Speaker 7: the way he can navigate the pocket. It's hard to
Speaker 7: watch him even after the latteral ankle sprain not supposed
Speaker 7: to hinder him this week, but even before that lateral
Speaker 7: ankle sprain against New Orleans this last week, it's hard
Speaker 7: to watch him take these sacks. It's hard to watch
Speaker 7: him not be able to maybe move out of the way,
Speaker 7: pick up the easy gimme yards on the ground the
Speaker 7: way that some other quarterbacks, especially this late as the
Speaker 7: weather starts to get cold, it's important that you can
Speaker 7: be able to do that. Now, You'll never hear me
Speaker 7: like demeaning his level of play.
Speaker 2: No, he could be. It wouldn't shock me.
Speaker 7: And I'm the one who argued so hard for him,
Speaker 7: and I'm not seeing the same Matthew Stafford that I
Speaker 7: expect to.
Speaker 6: See and that's when he gets Puoka coocker Cup back.
Speaker 6: He's not doing that well. So that's that's why it's
Speaker 6: a major strike against him.
Speaker 4: Okay, so he's gone. I think there's one real obvious
Speaker 4: name on the island right now that to go. But
Speaker 4: I'm gonna let my friend Steve Wall.
Speaker 3: Well, I think I've got it. It's your boy. It's
Speaker 3: your boy, the fan club that you're the president of. Gina.
Speaker 4: Wait a second, No, No, that's the obvious one, Gina.
Speaker 2: No way, Gino, that is so far from obvious.
Speaker 5: I was brave, Gino.
Speaker 2: You weren't brave at all compared to this guy.
Speaker 6: I I you know, look just because we're cutting it
Speaker 6: down to twelve, but we kept it at twelve, Gino,
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be here.
Speaker 3: But I've got another guy.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna let you probably go with the other guy
Speaker 6: who I think because there's another guy in the division too.
Speaker 3: I'm not to sound off.
Speaker 2: There's a few.
Speaker 4: There's a few out there, you know, but we I
Speaker 4: think are much more obvious than Gina. Okay, but make
Speaker 4: your case, make your case against Gino, and we could
Speaker 4: have an or we could table him for lait.
Speaker 6: We could take him for later, because my thing is
Speaker 6: they're not nastily winning because of him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Is he making plays here and there, yes, but he's
Speaker 6: not like what he was doing earlier in the season.
Speaker 6: They running the ball a little bit better, their timely
Speaker 6: stuff with Sharbonne.
Speaker 3: They're still not great offense though.
Speaker 6: That's the one thing when you think about the Seahawks
Speaker 6: right now, still, what are they?
Speaker 3: What are they?
Speaker 6: I think if we're talking about quarterbacks who define the position,
Speaker 6: we know what they are. We know what Joe Burrow is, right,
Speaker 6: we know what Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: What is Gino? In the Seahawks offense.
Speaker 4: He's still up there in terms of just volume, you know,
Speaker 4: in terms of completion's yards, that that sort of thing,
Speaker 4: because they rely on it so much. To me, he
Speaker 4: passes the eye test on a week to week basis.
Speaker 4: Their offensive line's gotten a little bit better. Their running
Speaker 4: game hasn't. The running game is a mess. So I'll
Speaker 4: push time time, I'll push back on you there. I
Speaker 4: just think he's one of the best, you know, ten
Speaker 4: quarterbacks in the league. And he was on my not
Speaker 4: even discussing.
Speaker 5: Wow, of course he was.
Speaker 3: You are such a fan.
Speaker 7: I'm ready to take him off for this for this round.
Speaker 7: I listen, if I'm if I'm going to take off
Speaker 7: somebody who to me watching the way that he throws
Speaker 7: the football, if I'm going to take Matthew Stafford off
Speaker 7: because the production is not necessarily like lifting the rest
Speaker 7: of the unit, and he's not necessarily playing at the
Speaker 7: level that you'd expec I think what I think is good,
Speaker 7: and you guys talked about it earlier this week on
Speaker 7: one of the shows, I believe the Recap show said
Speaker 7: it very well. The rest of this team is starting
Speaker 7: to make it so that Gino doesn't have to play
Speaker 7: here all the time.
Speaker 3: That's great, that's everything else, that's great.
Speaker 7: But if we're talking about kind of where he's at
Speaker 7: and we're cutting.
Speaker 4: This list down, I think my thing is, I don't
Speaker 4: think his level of play has gone down, even in
Speaker 4: the slightest in the last month.
Speaker 2: I think he's actually played well.
Speaker 4: And one thing that matters to me is how you
Speaker 4: play when the game is on the line, even the Ram,
Speaker 4: even the Rams game, getting them to overtime in that game,
Speaker 4: late for forty nine Ers game, big time comeback, Late
Speaker 4: Cardinals game was certainly up and down, but got the
Speaker 4: drive they needed late, and then against the Jets you
Speaker 4: have the game winning touchdown drive late, and so my
Speaker 4: thing is I test I think he stayed about the
Speaker 4: same level. Let's can we just table it? Can be
Speaker 4: your favorite. I see where this is going. It's only
Speaker 4: three of us today, so two versus one. I could
Speaker 4: get out voted. But let's just table.
Speaker 3: I think that's fair, okay.
Speaker 4: I mean to me, there's by far the most obvious
Speaker 4: name is is I love C. J.
Speaker 2: Stroud, but he's my next guy.
Speaker 7: He's got yeah, he plus is hard because I put
Speaker 7: him under I have a bunch of quarterbacks under situations
Speaker 7: that affect quarterback production with two stars next to it.
Speaker 4: To me, he's just not close. He's not playing good exactly.
Speaker 4: He's not playing good football. I don't even need to
Speaker 4: get into the numbers. You watch it on a week
Speaker 4: week basis. Yes, the offensive line is hurting him in
Speaker 4: the running games, certainly, but when he is protected, like
Speaker 4: that game against Jacksonville I think was a great example.
Speaker 2: He was protected.
Speaker 4: Finding that game, he just up and down, skittish, not reliable,
Speaker 4: not quarterback island.
Speaker 6: Keeping his eyes I love him, yep. Not keeping his
Speaker 6: eyes up field. I think he's one of the lowest
Speaker 6: quarterback passer rating. He's right, he's below nine. He's like
Speaker 6: eighty sevens killing your fantasy team play.
Speaker 7: I do have him in the section, and I actually
Speaker 7: I have Stafford in this section. I have brought Perty
Speaker 7: in this section.
Speaker 5: I have Gino.
Speaker 7: I do have Geno in this second where the situation
Speaker 7: around him is hindering what the true potential of the
Speaker 7: player could be. And that's kind of what I was
Speaker 7: saying about matth you too, It's like you're not transcending
Speaker 7: necessarily a situation around you, and in Stafford. In the
Speaker 7: Rams case, it's been chaos on the offensive line. It's
Speaker 7: been you know, not turning and leaning on the run
Speaker 7: game until like the second half, bafflingly. And it's also like,
Speaker 7: you know, the receivers are slow, and so it's with
Speaker 7: with CJ.
Speaker 5: Stroud.
Speaker 7: It's been pressure, it's been missing weapons. It's been you know,
Speaker 7: dealing with some issues with the offensive coordinator and the
Speaker 7: way that they design their pressure and protection and not
Speaker 7: adjusting in that regard. I think that that's what is developed.
Speaker 7: You're seeing bad habits developed. Y. It sucks because we
Speaker 7: know what he's capable of. And the fact that that
Speaker 7: discrepancy is so massive right now. It's a bummer, But
Speaker 7: that means he's off the island.
Speaker 2: He is off.
Speaker 4: Although I appreciate you CJ for helping my boy Walker
Speaker 4: go one and oh in the picks when and we
Speaker 4: believe in you, we do. We didn't even discuss him
Speaker 4: as an option last time around, despite a lot of
Speaker 4: the issues that you said. But he's kind of caved
Speaker 4: in under that. So we have kicked We have kicked
Speaker 4: off Stafford, we have kicked out Stroud, We've tabled Gino
Speaker 4: for now out of the kind of you.
Speaker 6: But because I think I think it's a fair conversation
Speaker 6: if we can go there.
Speaker 5: I hope that.
Speaker 4: We got to see if if someone else would be
Speaker 4: a better option. You mentioned brock Purty party, Yeah, we
Speaker 4: want to talk about I think Rock Purty.
Speaker 6: I think it's fair. You know you were talking about
Speaker 6: not being able to transcend. He's got nothing, he has
Speaker 6: got nothing, he's left tackle down, may not play. Deebo
Speaker 6: Samuel has not played like Deebo Samuel in a long time.
Speaker 3: The rest of his receivers are hurt. CMC and Jordan
Speaker 3: Mason are gone.
Speaker 6: That's a recent development, But over the past few weeks
Speaker 6: he just has not been there. And again we could
Speaker 6: sit there and say it's no fault of his own,
Speaker 6: which it might not be. But if we're talking ten
Speaker 6: of the best quarterbacks, guys transcending bad issues, you know,
Speaker 6: you think Joey Burrow wishes he had some of the problems.
Speaker 2: Rock brock Purty does still have Kyle Sanahan.
Speaker 7: And defined but defining the position, defining defining what it
Speaker 7: looks like right now as we talk about it in
Speaker 7: this moment, what top ten quarterback play and the definition
Speaker 7: of that on their respective teams and the ethos of
Speaker 7: those respective teams. And it's not like we're projecting the
Speaker 7: forty nine ers to just like creak away into the distance,
Speaker 7: which they seem like they're about to. But and we're
Speaker 7: not using that to weigh the quarterback kind of well,
Speaker 7: you know, the bones and the joints probably.
Speaker 4: Hurt a lot, maybe end their season that that felt
Speaker 4: like the last moment they were relevant.
Speaker 7: But the thing is is, like, you know, we at
Speaker 7: the beginning of all of this, we weren't going to
Speaker 7: hold situations at the start of the season. We weren't
Speaker 7: going to hold like, oh, you're going into a positive
Speaker 7: situation or negative situation against them. If we did that,
Speaker 7: we probably would have had like Caleb to start on
Speaker 7: the island right, which we didn't and smartly so. But
Speaker 7: at the same that out on this site, you love
Speaker 7: changing the show out a whim at a like. So
Speaker 7: that's why I think with with Brock Party, it's time. Okay,
Speaker 7: Like he's been definitively on the island since we started.
Speaker 7: It is time. It's you know, a lot of it
Speaker 7: is not his fault. That's That's kind of where I'm
Speaker 7: at with him.
Speaker 2: Let's vote on it. I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I vote on it hurts me man, because you know,
Speaker 3: I'm like the president of the Rock Party.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: So this is fascinating because these three dudes, they got
Speaker 4: in in August, they've been on the island throughout.
Speaker 2: The position is changing.
Speaker 4: We're saying goodbye to the oldest member of the island, Stafford.
Speaker 4: We're saying goodbye to what had been the youngest member
Speaker 4: at least original member in Stroud and then party. And
Speaker 4: it is interesting about Purty, some of his numbers over
Speaker 4: the course of the season actually still hold up pretty well. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's ninth and success rate. He's sixth an EPA pri
Speaker 4: place still, but you see the trend. I don't like that,
Speaker 4: as Kurt Warner was pointing out on Twitter this week,
Speaker 4: like some sometimes the lack of physical ability and timing
Speaker 4: can't show itself in a in a snow game like that.
Speaker 2: But I don't like that.
Speaker 4: He's not one hundred percent versatile to be able to excel,
Speaker 4: and the couple games before that he was not playing
Speaker 4: his best. He he has started to create some of
Speaker 4: his own problems, and so he gone.
Speaker 7: He went to college in what Ames, Iowa as well,
Speaker 7: So it's like it's not like he doesn't have experience with.
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean you have bigger hands though, No, no.
Speaker 7: But I'm just saying, like, you know, I would say, like, yeah,
Speaker 7: this would be the time to continue ascension. Instead the
Speaker 7: splits say that things have declined. Now again situations, this
Speaker 7: was a time.
Speaker 2: For him to prove he was more than just Kyle's guy.
Speaker 3: Guys, he's getting his ass kicked out. Yeah he made.
Speaker 5: I don't think that's.
Speaker 6: I mean, he's out there playing with like like not
Speaker 6: even dudes. Okay, I mean again, like I said, Deebel,
Speaker 6: Samuel has not been Yeah, deebo shit.
Speaker 2: She brought up the cold thing like, oh, I heard
Speaker 2: that a little bit.
Speaker 4: I grew up in Massachusetts and people are always like, well,
Speaker 4: you grew up in Massachusetts. Your fight it was like,
Speaker 4: it's still it's still cold, you know, back island and
Speaker 4: speep it.
Speaker 2: I mean when when we played in.
Speaker 4: The cold, it was cold as the great Michael Irvin.
Speaker 4: It sucks for everyone. It doesn't matter if you grew
Speaker 4: up there or not.
Speaker 2: It still sucks.
Speaker 7: You brought up the cold. I simply brought up another point.
Speaker 7: Now you're all flared up. It's fine.
Speaker 4: People always say that, he like, oh, it's cold, though
Speaker 4: you're used to it, you grow maas, why do you
Speaker 4: think I left? Because it sucks for everyone there too.
Speaker 4: Some people are get over.
Speaker 7: The fact I will. And to push back a little
Speaker 7: bit on what you're saying. In terms of his full
Speaker 7: season averages, the reason why those are still sitting where
Speaker 7: they are part of the reason, not the entire reason,
Speaker 7: but part of the reason is because they.
Speaker 5: Were so incredibly great.
Speaker 7: Yeah, open the year, he has been like I agree
Speaker 7: with Steve that he has proved that he is more
Speaker 7: than just sort of going to run the system guy However,
Speaker 7: at a certain point, like I brought up a few
Speaker 7: weeks ago, you're going to hit a wall. There's only
Speaker 7: so much you can deal with and handle.
Speaker 5: We're seeing it with c J. Stroud too.
Speaker 4: We are and we have now looted three people off
Speaker 4: the island vacancy. We have created at least one vacancy, Gino,
Speaker 4: we've tabled. Is there anyone else out of the group
Speaker 4: to at least discuss now before we table?
Speaker 6: I think so it's gonna sound like the craziest of
Speaker 6: all discussion with Patrick Mahomes. I mean, I mean, I'm
Speaker 6: just saying overall, I don't think we should kick him off.
Speaker 6: There's there's no way in the world I would say
Speaker 6: kick Patrick Mahomes off because he's probably gonna win on
Speaker 6: the Super Bowl with the way things are going. But
Speaker 6: if we're talking about everything that's gone, it's just been
Speaker 6: all over the place for their offenses here, and it
Speaker 6: part it's because he's left tackles are just no good
Speaker 6: and he's really having to play in a different way.
Speaker 6: But you know, I think down to Stretch is gonna
Speaker 6: get better. He's you got Pa Checko coming back, Maybe
Speaker 6: Juju's coming back. Guys like that. But when you look
Speaker 6: at some of the other people that could be coming on,
Speaker 6: you have to ask yourself, is he playing as well
Speaker 6: as We'll get to whomever.
Speaker 4: But I think I actually think so. I still think
Speaker 4: so that he for instance, last week's game, how that
Speaker 4: game ended, where he makes two like fantastic plays in
Speaker 4: a row and one ends up a negative five to
Speaker 4: Kareem Hunt after he makes magic, and then another like
Speaker 4: bounces off Hopkins's hand when he makes magic. I do
Speaker 4: think he's actually improved his play overall since the first
Speaker 4: five or six weeks of the season. The numbers in
Speaker 4: terms of EPA per dropbacks still solid, top ten, like
Speaker 4: ninth in the league, fifth in success rate. So I
Speaker 4: know the offense has been less efficient the last couple
Speaker 4: of weeks, and that's the that's right in our memory.
Speaker 4: But overall it actually has been a really efficient offense
Speaker 4: and he's been able to show kind of his off
Speaker 4: speed pitch.
Speaker 2: Now, is he a top five quarterback this year?
Speaker 4: No, which feels crazy to think about for Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 4: But he's solidly on to me, I am on, Yes.
Speaker 3: He's solidly on.
Speaker 8: Yes'n Patrick Dock But yeah, I like it you brought
Speaker 8: him up that he's the reason why they're there. I mean, look,
Speaker 8: we could put about half these quarterbacks on there and
Speaker 8: say with the Chiefs to be winning ball games. I mean,
Speaker 8: would you know we win a ball games with him?
Speaker 3: Right now?
Speaker 2: Greg?
Speaker 4: With the Chiefs, you give Mandy Reid and they've played
Speaker 4: some games. Yeah, I think they've been some games and
Speaker 4: a great defense. Until the last couple of weeks, I
Speaker 4: think they'd be winning some games.
Speaker 5: I want to go to Greg Island. It seems like
Speaker 5: a nice place.
Speaker 4: It's it's very, very self assured, it's beautiful weather.
Speaker 5: Confidence like, let's talk.
Speaker 2: Let's talk Jayden Daniels. I want to talk Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 4: Going into last week, some of the limitations I think
Speaker 4: on this offense started to show up that he was
Speaker 4: inconsistently accurate pushing the ball down the field. He was
Speaker 4: for a number of games, but it's on it's on
Speaker 4: so few attempts that it's a small sample size. And
Speaker 4: actually the first couple of weeks of the season he
Speaker 4: was struggling to throw it a little deeper. Then he
Speaker 4: then he was hitting it, and even last week when
Speaker 4: they got it going to me, it was more about
Speaker 4: he's running the ball well again, and his threat and
Speaker 4: the running game helps out his running backs, and they
Speaker 4: cooked up some great runs games even in that game
Speaker 4: against Tennessee, very little over ten yards from scrimmage, a
Speaker 4: lot of short stuff which he's great at, and he
Speaker 4: is healthy and running again. I want to table him
Speaker 4: for now, but I want to put him in the
Speaker 4: geno bucket of just Okay, we'll think about these guys.
Speaker 4: Are our options to flip out because to switch out later?
Speaker 4: Because to me, he has defined helped define the position
Speaker 4: this year. Such an exciting player and he gets extra
Speaker 4: points for that to me. But is he playing better
Speaker 4: than some of these guys we'll talk about.
Speaker 2: It's close.
Speaker 3: I set him straight, Jordan, you know the deal.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 7: I think he has and does define this rookie class
Speaker 7: of quarterbacks. And yes there are quarterbacks that there's a
Speaker 7: cluster of really exciting rookies Drake May, who I know
Speaker 7: you would love to talk about. In fact, I am
Speaker 7: really glad that I did not play a Greg mentioned
Speaker 7: Strake May drinking game earlier this week because I wouldn't
Speaker 7: have made it into work today.
Speaker 5: But bo Nicks go back and count buddy what show
Speaker 5: all of those.
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to bring him up today.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but here's the thing I do.
Speaker 7: I do want to bring him up because not not
Speaker 7: for someone to be put on the island, but to say, like,
Speaker 7: there's this really awesome cluster of ascending rookie quarterback play
Speaker 7: right now in Drake may Bo Nix. I mean, what
Speaker 7: like he'll still make his mistakes. That ninety three yard
Speaker 7: seamball versus Tampa two last night, the touchdown to Marvin
Speaker 7: Men's on Monday Night football just gorgeous.
Speaker 3: Shows the from the end zone from the end zone
Speaker 3: on third eleven.
Speaker 5: Just gorgeous.
Speaker 7: And Caleb Williams is playing better than he has all seasons.
Speaker 7: And I think all of that's great, But I want
Speaker 7: to I want a rookie quarterback on the island because
Speaker 7: I think that this rookie class in part does define
Speaker 7: this season. And I think that Jaden Daniels is still
Speaker 7: the leader in defining what this rookie class is this season.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we can talk about the passing numbers. I mean,
Speaker 6: you get, you throw, you throw in the running numbers,
Speaker 6: that's part of it. I mean, that's part of what
Speaker 6: He's a huge part of it.
Speaker 3: And you know why.
Speaker 6: And you know this, Cliff Kingsbury, They're gonna be free
Speaker 6: rushers coming at your quarterback in his games.
Speaker 3: I mean that is just part of what he does.
Speaker 6: Is part of the frustration of kind of watching this team,
Speaker 6: like run the damn ball. So when you ran in
Speaker 6: Arizona with James Connor, you were pretty good, right, you
Speaker 6: got Brian Robinson that he was coming back from injury.
Speaker 6: But run the ball sometimes, don't put it all on
Speaker 6: your quarterback all the time. That doesn't work in today's NFL.
Speaker 6: It just look at Jameis Winston, right, doesn't work.
Speaker 4: His efficiency numbers two are still extra rest yards per attempt, so.
Speaker 7: He's still top five and all of these advanced metrics,
Speaker 7: including EPA for drop back.
Speaker 2: Despite the slump, your argument held water for me.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go ahead and call it vote early then,
Speaker 4: because she convinced me. You know I can be convinced
Speaker 4: by a successful argument. Was I kind of was thinking
Speaker 4: about taking taking Jayden.
Speaker 2: We do all look great.
Speaker 4: I mean we're here in week fourteen and it doesn't
Speaker 4: look like it. I mean, we look as fresh as
Speaker 4: when we arrived on the island.
Speaker 2: Number all right, Jayden is safe.
Speaker 4: The guys who you know we haven't mentioned, which just
Speaker 4: seemed like home runs are gonna stay on the island.
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4: To me, losing games is not a disqualifying factor for
Speaker 4: QB Island, So he is obviously on. Jared Goff, yes,
Speaker 4: I thought has played better actually since the last time
Speaker 4: we've talked on QB Island, So he's solidly there too.
Speaker 7: Is like he oftentimes we'd see especially in like maybe
Speaker 7: November back before he was with the Lions, and then
Speaker 7: obviously there was like a dark period with the Lions
Speaker 7: when they were just trying to build their roster up,
Speaker 7: but you would see slumps like in November for example.
Speaker 7: But Jared Goff from weeks five to thirteen actually has
Speaker 7: stayed with definition in the top five in EPA per
Speaker 7: drop back, like has stayed there, has not fluctuated, you know,
Speaker 7: He's just been consistent. He's handled pressure well, he's operating
Speaker 7: that offense. It's interesting there's still to this point there
Speaker 7: is still whispers a lot of it's coming out of
Speaker 7: that local market, and I don't think that necessarily it's
Speaker 7: going to ring true when all is said and done,
Speaker 7: but he's still I think, making himself at least in
Speaker 7: the like underlying conversation about this, this MVP conversation.
Speaker 3: Well you can he's out front, he's at the front guy,
Speaker 3: but he's.
Speaker 2: Probably he wasn't in my five. He was not in
Speaker 2: Shook's time. Put it in that. We'll talk a little.
Speaker 2: Lions packers later have to say it.
Speaker 3: He's got a teammate that should be in there.
Speaker 2: He could be four or five.
Speaker 4: We'll talk about that because we are going to preview
Speaker 4: that great Thursday night game with Jordan will be joining
Speaker 4: me on the recap.
Speaker 2: So he's saved. Lamar is obviously save.
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert, I think is solidly safe, still playing really
Speaker 4: well and the one last guy. Then I think I
Speaker 4: said Lamar there, he's obviously safe, playing outstanding.
Speaker 2: Kyler.
Speaker 4: Kyler maybe is worth putting in the table category. I
Speaker 4: think we voted on him at a peak. It was
Speaker 4: after that Miami game. If what Kyler's doing better than
Speaker 4: just about anyone. I was trying to figure out why
Speaker 4: why is he first in QBR right now? It really
Speaker 4: surprised me. I look at a lot of different metrics
Speaker 4: and I use my eyes and I think PFF is
Speaker 4: fine to look at, but epa drop back. You're a
Speaker 4: little down on PFF right now. But I'm just looking
Speaker 4: at everything and when one something stands out and he's
Speaker 4: number one, it's very close. The top five are very
Speaker 4: close him, Josh Allen, Burrow, Lamar, and Jane, and I
Speaker 4: was trying to figure out because if you actually look
Speaker 4: at their different metrics, which are you know, pass run, sack,
Speaker 4: prevention penalties, something that they call like points above average,
Speaker 4: Like he's just fifth or sixth and everything. And I
Speaker 4: think what he's done well, which is which is why
Speaker 4: he deserves strong consideration to stay on the island, is
Speaker 4: he hasn't been making any mistakes. He's really good at
Speaker 4: avoiding sacks, avoiding dumb penalties, avoiding interceptions. The big plays
Speaker 4: just haven't been there as consistency as consistently the last month.
Speaker 4: So to me, he's a table in my gut. I
Speaker 4: feel like he is kind of part of what's defining
Speaker 4: the position right now and he has a really good chance.
Speaker 4: But I'm not ready to put him back on the
Speaker 4: island quite yet. I want to see who the other
Speaker 4: options are.
Speaker 6: If I like them, I think that's where we need
Speaker 6: to go because so right now we have what one
Speaker 6: true vacancy with two on the table.
Speaker 4: Yes, we've made it tougher because, like I said, we
Speaker 4: reduced it from twelve to ten. Gino's on the table,
Speaker 4: Kyler's on the table, and we have a lot of
Speaker 4: guys to talk about it.
Speaker 7: Let me tell you what I'm having a hard time
Speaker 7: with because I think I do think that, like I
Speaker 7: love watching Kyler play, I think he's played some of
Speaker 7: his best football of his career so far this year.
Speaker 7: We did catch him at a high point and you know,
Speaker 7: we're not projecting into the future, but we're sort of
Speaker 7: taking with the last four weeks and four games have
Speaker 7: been and just sort of some of the ebbs and
Speaker 7: the flows. It's hard for me, especially to this point
Speaker 7: in the year, to not have Baker Mayfield on quarterback Island.
Speaker 7: And I'm not necessarily saying he's a overall a better
Speaker 7: quarterback than Kyler Murray. I think that they have a
Speaker 7: lot of similarities in their game. But what I think
Speaker 7: defines the position that Baker Mayfield does maybe almost better
Speaker 7: than almost anybody other than maybe like the top three
Speaker 7: guys on our list here is his team takes on
Speaker 7: his personality.
Speaker 4: Okay, hold that thought right there. We're going to take
Speaker 4: a quick break. We'll talk a little Baker and yes,
Speaker 4: Kyler touchdown interception ratio very overrated, but last four weeks
Speaker 4: two touchdowns, three interceptions, haven't hasn't been running a ton.
Speaker 2: The Kyler Baker comparison is very interesting.
Speaker 4: We're going to talk about the guys not on the
Speaker 4: island that could potentially be joining. Before we broke on
Speaker 4: quarterback Island, got some my ties, took a little dip
Speaker 4: in the water.
Speaker 3: Did you like reson screen though?
Speaker 2: Yes, of course I burn.
Speaker 4: I burned what Jordan you You talked about Baker Mayfield
Speaker 4: in your potential candidacy for him.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would not feel right not having him on
Speaker 7: the island at this point, you know, and I think
Speaker 7: in part of me taking off, you know, a Matthew Stafford,
Speaker 7: it is to make room for a guy like Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 7: a guy who I think is defining the position as
Speaker 7: we know it in the NFL right now in the
Speaker 7: sense of not just the intangibles right which you see
Speaker 7: it all over his tape. This team takes on his personality,
Speaker 7: this team. He wills this team to win. They win
Speaker 7: in different ways. Liam Cohen can pretty much do whatever
Speaker 7: with Baker, even with a limited cast after Chris Godwin
Speaker 7: left right, still making it happen in clutch, crucial moments
Speaker 7: with Mike Evans, and really the stats are still he's
Speaker 7: you know, they're you know, they're they're in the hunt.
Speaker 7: They're trying to, you know, make sure that they secure
Speaker 7: their their playoff spot in the hunt's the wrong word,
Speaker 7: but making sure they secure that playoff spot. And he's
Speaker 7: still number ten in EPA per drop back twenty five touchdowns,
Speaker 7: eleven interceptions. That's not great, but I think you do
Speaker 7: also factor in some of the limitations with the cast
Speaker 7: that he's had and three rushing touchdowns. He's still third
Speaker 7: in touchdowns thrown so far this season. And you just
Speaker 7: see him like just like like almost forcing this to
Speaker 7: happen his team. And anytime you flip on these games,
Speaker 7: you just see it.
Speaker 4: Or he's lucky, like he's stunk. On Sunday, I was
Speaker 4: ready to put him on. I thought that was his
Speaker 4: worst game of the year. He was the reason that
Speaker 4: they were going to lose that game if Chuba Harvard
Speaker 4: doesn't fumble right, and that's right at the moment where
Speaker 4: I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Jordan, and.
Speaker 7: You need luck sometimes though, man like this time.
Speaker 4: But I can't try. I can't trust I can't trust him.
Speaker 4: I was finally like, you're ready to trust him? And
Speaker 4: then he just starts making erratic decisions. He was spraying
Speaker 4: the ball all over the place into bad Panthers defense too,
Speaker 4: And it just got me back to where he's still
Speaker 4: Baker underneath it all. And and I and I have
Speaker 4: a hard time on a day where where we're cutting
Speaker 4: numbers saying that he's playing the quarterback position at a
Speaker 4: higher level in any respect over Gino or Kyler Murray.
Speaker 2: I just don't.
Speaker 5: I literally, I said.
Speaker 7: Though I'm not saying he is playing the best of
Speaker 7: it like the quarterback, like as a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 7: I'm saying that where he's at, what the structure of
Speaker 7: his team looks like, what they're doing, what they're pushing for,
Speaker 7: the way that they're winning games, the ethos that they
Speaker 7: embody as they win games.
Speaker 5: To me, he is defining the position right now.
Speaker 3: One of many What do you think, Steve, I can't
Speaker 3: ride with Bake Bake like that.
Speaker 5: You have a huge Baker I know I had you
Speaker 5: in the beginning of the year.
Speaker 3: There's just there's just so many other guys who I think.
Speaker 7: That's fair, you know, because we got to get Jordan
Speaker 7: Love on there.
Speaker 4: I mean, let's vote on Baker then, Wow, you pushed hard,
Speaker 4: you were going to get it.
Speaker 7: I'm voting no, yeah, just all right, I'll vote yes,
Speaker 7: but I want to get Jordan Love on there.
Speaker 2: See, Okay, and that's let's listen to it. Let's listen
Speaker 2: to Jordan.
Speaker 3: But like, here's here's where I'm stuck though, because now.
Speaker 6: Jordan love I'm like, I'm riding for Jordan, and I'm
Speaker 6: riding for Sam Donald me too, I mean.
Speaker 5: And I like and then we talked.
Speaker 7: We talked earlier Steve about the clutch factor, that head
Speaker 7: to head.
Speaker 5: Kind of thing.
Speaker 7: All right, Sam Donald and Kyler Murray at the end
Speaker 7: of this game, Sam Donald, at the end of the
Speaker 7: last two games, the clutch factor is there. And he
Speaker 7: hasn't ebbed or yeah, that's the right word. We're talking
Speaker 7: about waves right island. He hasn't ebbed to the levels
Speaker 7: of low that he previously had.
Speaker 6: And here's here's my point, why Donald, if we're talking
Speaker 6: about in the moment they're asking him to win ball games.
Speaker 6: You look at the number of attempts when they're at
Speaker 6: the five game winn streak at the beginning of the season,
Speaker 6: he's throwing the ball about twenty five twenty six times
Speaker 6: a game. He's throwing at thirty four to thirty five
Speaker 6: thirty six times a game. Now, all right, they're asked
Speaker 6: him to win ball games. Last three games, six touchdowns,
Speaker 6: zero interceptions, right the Vikings, they got ten dubs now
Speaker 6: and it's but then, I like, Jordan Love is like
Speaker 6: playing you know, the giveaways. You know that's you know,
Speaker 6: he's had them, but he's kind of lost the last
Speaker 6: couple of games.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's stay let's stay with Darnald for a second,
Speaker 4: because that Kyler comparison is really and he's talking about Kyler. No,
Speaker 4: but he she pointed that out and that wasn't head
Speaker 4: We talked about head to head, all right, Okay.
Speaker 2: Those if you look at Kyler last two weeks.
Speaker 4: Now, he's got to play the Seahawks this week and
Speaker 4: very well could win that game.
Speaker 2: I'll probably pick them to win that game and even
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 4: But in those two games, Seattle really ate his lunch
Speaker 4: and Gino played better against a pretty good Cardinals team
Speaker 4: as well. That Minnesota game, to me, was so perfect
Speaker 4: to make the point you were making about Sam Darnald,
Speaker 4: because if you watch the first half of that game,
Speaker 4: Donald's holding onto the ball a lot, a little bit skittish,
Speaker 4: a little bit confused about maybe what's going on.
Speaker 2: Kyler's very steady.
Speaker 4: They're moving the ball a ton, But I got to
Speaker 4: give it to you when push came to shove at
Speaker 4: the end of that game, Donald is dropping dimes with
Speaker 4: the help of his coach figuring things out there. Great
Speaker 4: at adjusting, but he's playing his very best at the end,
Speaker 4: and Kyler's he's just missing just a little something. And
Speaker 4: Donald has really played well I think the last few
Speaker 4: weeks after that, that little ebb that you mentioned in
Speaker 4: the middle of the season.
Speaker 2: Games.
Speaker 4: I now I'm talking myself through it. At least put
Speaker 4: Donald over Kyler and putting Gino over Kyler as well.
Speaker 4: So I'm ready to vote on Kyler. I'm ready to
Speaker 4: vote Kyler off because I want to open up another
Speaker 4: spot here.
Speaker 2: At least we got some good names.
Speaker 4: I'm now voting no on Kyler because I believe you,
Speaker 4: and I'm and I like.
Speaker 2: Darnald over him, but Donald mine that make the cut.
Speaker 2: I did not expect that.
Speaker 7: But I do want to point out this is it's
Speaker 7: a cool thing that Kevin O'Connell brought up last week.
Speaker 7: You mentioned it. They're asking him to win games.
Speaker 5: They're not. Yes, he can set things up for the quarterback.
Speaker 7: You can create the layered routes, you can scheme whatever,
Speaker 7: but you're still asking him to make super difficult throws
Speaker 7: in crucial moments. There's a second, second and fourteen in
Speaker 7: the fourth quarter. And like every coach from the Shanahan McVay,
Speaker 7: even the O'Connell tree, although that's now because he has
Speaker 7: different a different background, that's a little bit separate. But
Speaker 7: often they'll just try to get to a neutral down,
Speaker 7: third down, third and manageable right. Instead, they draw up
Speaker 7: an option for Sam Darnold to through multiple reads to
Speaker 7: hit justin Jefferson ask the sticks on it and pure
Speaker 7: anticipation and like balls throw and like, and he hits it.
Speaker 7: And it's like they that is the definition of what
Speaker 7: you need to do to win your team games as
Speaker 7: a quarterback who is the expectation is to make a
Speaker 7: deep playoff runt and that's why I would like Sam
Speaker 7: Darnold on the island, and here I.
Speaker 4: Think I'm thinking about him strongly now. Also the ten wins.
Speaker 4: It does matter to me somewhat that they are a
Speaker 4: defining team of this season.
Speaker 3: But here's here's here's the thing that I think we do.
Speaker 6: We have to eliminate from our thinking when it comes
Speaker 6: to Donald. Yes, of all these quarterbacks on the list,
Speaker 6: who's the most likely to step on the banana peel
Speaker 6: if they do get into the playoffs. We cannot have
Speaker 6: that because I think most of should probably.
Speaker 4: Say out of all these guys or even in the
Speaker 4: next month, next month, that's not going to bother me
Speaker 4: too much because we are talking about right now, and
Speaker 4: of all.
Speaker 7: Of these, I would you know, the rookie hasn't been
Speaker 7: there before.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's played well again, he's pressure, which is
Speaker 4: what gets to me. The thing that you could always
Speaker 4: say about Golf and then you could now always say
Speaker 4: about Donald was yeah, but if you can get to him,
Speaker 4: it's is out and and in that game. Again, another
Speaker 4: example comparison, I can't believe we're taking Kyler off, but.
Speaker 2: Let's review for a second.
Speaker 5: He could come back from.
Speaker 2: Stafford's off Stroud is off, Kyler is off. We have
Speaker 2: board booted.
Speaker 4: Four guys, Gino and Darnald right Donald right now are
Speaker 4: on the table at least potentially take those two final spots.
Speaker 4: We voted Baker down after an impassioned beautiful, really heart wrenching.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to butter me push for him. He still
Speaker 5: got a Geno vote.
Speaker 4: Let's talk a little suck a little Jordan Love. Let's
Speaker 4: talk a little Jordan.
Speaker 7: I want Jordan Love on the island, not just because
Speaker 7: he has an outstanding first name. I you know, spell though. Listen,
Speaker 7: he's cleaning up. He's cleaning up the errors and you
Speaker 7: saw him do it around this time last year as well. Yes,
Speaker 7: and we'll talk about it when we get to the preview,
Speaker 7: I know, but yes, he has probably one of the
Speaker 7: most phenomenally gorgeous beautiful I don't even have adjectives for it.
Speaker 7: Run games and run schemes in the NFL. Right now,
Speaker 7: you lean on and that's great. You have to know
Speaker 7: when to lean on that as a quarterback. But what
Speaker 7: I like about Jordan Love over the past couple of
Speaker 7: weeks is cleaning up the erratic play that had so
Speaker 7: often kind of shot that offense in the foot a
Speaker 7: little bit, and in terms of his production against pressure,
Speaker 7: still not good. But his earlier averages are going to
Speaker 7: sync that right now until he has more data to
Speaker 7: help lift that a little bit more as they go
Speaker 7: down the stretch. He is still number ten and epa
Speaker 7: per drop back. He's got twenty touchdowns and eleven interceptions.
Speaker 7: A lot of those interceptions have come against pressure. But
Speaker 7: like I said, cleaning.
Speaker 2: That up over the path he puts up, he puts
Speaker 2: up numbers. Considering DIY this this is a team.
Speaker 7: I'm not attaching this to the evaluation, but this is
Speaker 7: a team who based off of this the last couple
Speaker 7: of game, this last game, especially last couple of games too,
Speaker 7: It's like, man, nobody's gonna want to play these dudes. Nope,
Speaker 7: nobody in cana or who are more about.
Speaker 3: The Thursdy night game later. I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, this Jeordia.
Speaker 4: The one thing with him is twenty seventhing completion percentage
Speaker 4: over expected. The the accuracy comes and goes a little
Speaker 4: bit watching him play. Right now, can I possibly say
Speaker 4: that I'm taking ten quarterbacks over this freaking dude?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 4: I'm putting him on the island, and I vote yes,
Speaker 4: I overrule you were playing.
Speaker 3: I'm the sametaining that's a rule.
Speaker 4: I'm making a yes or Jordan, Okay, you want to
Speaker 4: talk about some more guys.
Speaker 3: There's two guys you got to talk about, Steve.
Speaker 5: I know Steve.
Speaker 4: There's a few more guys to talk about. Sure, but
Speaker 4: I thought maybe he is just to me. I'm putting
Speaker 4: my cards on the table of all the guys that
Speaker 4: we could talk about or have talked about, I think
Speaker 4: I'm putting love over all of them, and that there's
Speaker 4: two spots open for me. He's pretty safe. Let's talk
Speaker 4: about him. Who do you want to talk about?
Speaker 7: As an executive co producer on Quarterback Island. As the
Speaker 7: co creator of Quarterback Island, I am creating behind the glass,
Speaker 7: I'm creating a new card.
Speaker 5: It's to let Steve weish cook card.
Speaker 6: Okay, here's the thing. I'm not going to slow burn this.
Speaker 6: There's three guys I'm gonna mention that you should consider.
Speaker 6: Jalen Hurts Okay, Russell Wilson. Ok And here's my out
Speaker 6: of nowhere guy who's playing better than just about any
Speaker 6: quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 3: At the moment. That is Tua Toungue of Iloa.
Speaker 6: He did not have a great game against Green Bay,
Speaker 6: but look at his numbers since he came back since
Speaker 6: October twenty twenty five yards, fifteen toychdowns, four interceptions, one
Speaker 6: hundred and eight passer rating. He is freaking dealing down there. Again,
Speaker 6: he did not hit him in the cold.
Speaker 3: That's not good.
Speaker 4: That's not good for did he even play bad? I
Speaker 4: don't think he played bad in that game at all.
Speaker 4: He played well.
Speaker 6: And what I am saying, if we're talking about problem,
Speaker 6: look we can't like I can't see putting him on
Speaker 6: over these other guys, but I can't defining the position
Speaker 6: and playing the position as well as or better than
Speaker 6: ten players in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Right now, Tua Tongue of.
Speaker 6: Iloa is in that discussion, my friends. Now do we
Speaker 6: put them both Jalen or Rush, both of whom are cooking,
Speaker 6: And we could say Jalen maybe not passing because they're
Speaker 6: not asking to throw the ball that much, but Tua
Speaker 6: is ball laying.
Speaker 5: Gu would you put him over Gino Steve?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 6: But again I I just don't know if I if
Speaker 6: I could right now put him over Russer, Jalen or
Speaker 6: Jordan Love.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's playing that well.
Speaker 2: That's why I said.
Speaker 4: I could put him over just about anyone that you've mentioned.
Speaker 4: Maybe not Love, I don't know. I just think he's
Speaker 4: playing in the position he's like, he can't ask so well,
Speaker 4: you can't ask him to play better. And even that game,
Speaker 4: like we're saying, was a bad game for him, they
Speaker 4: were down fourteen to nothing before they had any plays.
Speaker 7: Hard to come back from an early turnover like that
Speaker 7: on specialty.
Speaker 4: Right in the end, he threw for three hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty five yards and a couple of touchdowns, and some
Speaker 4: of them was late, but most of it was in
Speaker 4: the flow of the game when they still had a chance.
Speaker 4: And when I was watching him the three previous weeks
Speaker 4: to that, I just thought, playing great. This guy is
Speaker 4: playing football, is playing quarterback at a level that is
Speaker 4: QB island worthy.
Speaker 2: It's tough. It's tough.
Speaker 3: People tough because I mean, right now they're cut.
Speaker 4: The number down from twelve to ten or else there
Speaker 4: would be more. But no, we all did the committee.
Speaker 3: But since there's no slow burn, I mean, let's have
Speaker 3: the Jalen, let's.
Speaker 4: Okay, rest to me, is not close. He hasn't been
Speaker 4: consistent enough. He hasn't put enough of a resume when
Speaker 4: you're getting pulled in the middle of a fiasco of
Speaker 4: a performance against Cleveland, he was.
Speaker 6: Ten for ten on third down. They decided to put
Speaker 6: in justin fields. Okay, Russ was playing man. They were
Speaker 6: in a rhythm.
Speaker 2: He's played well this season. I need a little more.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's been as consistent as as you're
Speaker 4: saying as too.
Speaker 5: Or okay I and I would say too.
Speaker 7: With the with the Jalen argument, we talk about defining
Speaker 7: the position, and he is. He is the person I mean, Greg,
Speaker 7: it is in your description of quarterback Island, and he
Speaker 7: is on a defining team in the NFL in twenty
Speaker 7: twenty four, one of probably four defining teams in the
Speaker 7: NFL in twenty twenty four. He is the quarterback. And no,
Speaker 7: he's not the superstar of this team right now, like
Speaker 7: it's Saquon Barkley. And that's great, but I think you
Speaker 7: at least have to talk about him and pay him
Speaker 7: his respects as one of the better quarterbacks in this
Speaker 7: He was the.
Speaker 4: Last guy on my list of guys. We absolutely have
Speaker 4: to talk about you know what was Russell Wilson. Now,
Speaker 4: there were there were some fun just quarterback conversations. If
Speaker 4: we had all day to talk about quarterbacks, I would
Speaker 4: you know, you mentioned Drake May before, but I would
Speaker 4: mention how well Bryce Young is playing.
Speaker 2: He's playing better than those rookies.
Speaker 4: Great, if he plays as well as he played over
Speaker 4: the last five weeks for another four weeks, we might
Speaker 4: have to talk about Bryce Young at the end of
Speaker 4: the season. But you know, Jameis Winston is helping to
Speaker 4: define the season. He's not on quarterback island, but he'd
Speaker 4: be a great vibe to add to it. You mentioned
Speaker 4: Bo Nicks before, but yes, Russ was the last guy
Speaker 4: that I think needed serious consideration. So if we're breaking
Speaker 4: it down at this point, and again, Jane Daniels is
Speaker 4: on the island, this is where I kind of thought
Speaker 4: about Jade Daniels is all right, Jade Daniels versus Love
Speaker 4: or Donald or whoever. But right now we have two
Speaker 4: spots available. Right now, Herbert's on there as well, on
Speaker 4: the island. Absolutely two spots available, Gino, Donald, Love, Russ
Speaker 4: if you want to throw him in there, and Tua,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna call a vote. Now that we've talked about everything,
Speaker 4: there's five guys, Gino, Donald Love, Russell Wilson, and Tua
Speaker 4: and at this point, unless something changes, we need to
Speaker 4: find two spots for those five guys.
Speaker 2: We already voted Baker.
Speaker 5: Off and lets you vote Gino off.
Speaker 4: Right, No, I'm saying, but either way, Yeah, it's two spots, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's two spots off. At this point, I'm like, assuming
Speaker 4: he's off. So it's two spots for those five guys.
Speaker 4: Whether you vote Gino off or not. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: I am gonna at least call because I think it's
Speaker 4: the easiest thing left to do. A vote on Russell Wilson,
Speaker 4: great story, great season, not quite there yet.
Speaker 2: I vote no.
Speaker 3: I vote no.
Speaker 6: I saw him throw for four fourteen against CINCINNTI Bengals
Speaker 6: didn't want to tackle anybody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, about half of those were like little dump offs
Speaker 4: over the middle of the field. That Naji Aera is
Speaker 4: not Russell Wilson's fault. But my god, I can't I've
Speaker 4: never seen a simple play. We're crazy.
Speaker 2: What is your vote, Jordan?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: I voted no.
Speaker 4: Okay, so we have four four guys for two spots.
Speaker 2: Okay, Gino, Donald Love and Tua. This is too much.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 5: I hope the listeners can hear that. That's that side
Speaker 5: that Greg just let out.
Speaker 3: Are you calling a vote on Chief?
Speaker 5: I need to take a picture of Greg's stressed as
Speaker 5: we I.
Speaker 4: I am going to take a vote. I'm going to
Speaker 4: call a vote on the guy I believe deserves to
Speaker 4: be here more than anyone. That's Jordan Love as we
Speaker 4: head to these winter months. I want a big guy
Speaker 4: with a big arm who's playing football at a very
Speaker 4: high level. I am voting yes on Jordan Love. Jordan's yes,
Speaker 4: no enthusiastically.
Speaker 3: You wies know I love him. This is not tough
Speaker 3: for this right now. But I'm saying no.
Speaker 7: I know because I know you got we gotta I
Speaker 7: know I know why you're doing.
Speaker 2: You just got voted out, voted. Jordan Love is on the.
Speaker 7: Jordan is on the island. Jordan Jordan Is.
Speaker 3: You have the English spelling?
Speaker 2: All right, let's vote.
Speaker 4: All right, let's just let's just rip the band aid
Speaker 4: off here, let's do let's do the thing. It is
Speaker 4: very difficult here at the table to do this, but
Speaker 4: let's call a vote on Eugene Cyril Smith, I vote
Speaker 4: yes on Gino for.
Speaker 3: The listeners, I'm voting no.
Speaker 7: I'm voting no because I think Tua should be on
Speaker 7: the islands.
Speaker 2: Tua plane at a higher level. Gino is off.
Speaker 3: Gino's off. He can he can earn it back on.
Speaker 3: I mean they're in a play point.
Speaker 7: We'll release the the deep cut, the full cut of
Speaker 7: all the.
Speaker 2: Discussions and all the confusion.
Speaker 9: Where we of all the confusion, where Greg let out
Speaker 9: the deepest sigh I've ever heard, realizing that we still
Speaker 9: had to vote on ginas the reason.
Speaker 3: Why we're not doing math type occupation.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: Jordan Rodrigue, the co executive producer, introduced the element to
Speaker 4: the show that they could use at any point of
Speaker 4: the season. Someone can pull a riptide and keep someone
Speaker 4: on the island.
Speaker 2: And I am doing that right now.
Speaker 4: Is it atrocity that you turn Coats tried to take
Speaker 4: him off the island?
Speaker 2: Do you not know ball? Do you not see ball?
Speaker 2: Do you not watch the ball?
Speaker 6: So that's a Simon Cowell, Blake Shelton, you know, you
Speaker 6: know what she came up with, this whole idea.
Speaker 5: You're valid your valid use I'm using it once.
Speaker 7: This is the one you get all year and you
Speaker 7: you have used it, and you are valid in using
Speaker 7: it now, in using it.
Speaker 5: Let the audience know.
Speaker 7: That also means that either Sam Darnold or to a
Speaker 7: tongue of Iloa will not be making it on the island,
Speaker 7: because that's what it's coming down to right now. So
Speaker 7: just to I thought about it and clean everything up
Speaker 7: for the listeners so that we're all organized. Right as
Speaker 7: my hair keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger, we're
Speaker 7: all organized, and you have riptide ripcorded Gino onto the island.
Speaker 4: He's staying on controversial like that a controversial?
Speaker 3: No, it's it's not it's not that.
Speaker 4: Here's here's why it's great in part. These guys are
Speaker 4: all so close, right, and.
Speaker 3: Andy reduced it from twelve to ten.
Speaker 4: Greg, that's true. We could put them all on it.
Speaker 4: It could be a participation trophy. Everyone gets to stay
Speaker 4: on the island. Poor Jalen Hurts didn't even really get
Speaker 4: a discussion.
Speaker 5: We'll save it for Connie when she's here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's a good would totally. It is Donald
Speaker 4: playing the position better than Gino right now is.
Speaker 7: To as a close can't take it back.
Speaker 2: So let's talk Donald.
Speaker 5: We're talking to Donald versus Tua. Is the argument for.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 6: I mean, this is tough because Tua is playing so
Speaker 6: well right now, but Donald's got I mean, it's hard
Speaker 6: to overlook the ten wins. It's hard to overlook the
Speaker 6: fact that they are asking him to win ball games
Speaker 6: and he's doing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Just look at the attempt the passing attempt numbers for
Speaker 6: Sam Donald over the past month. They have gone up
Speaker 6: again about seven or eight pass attempts per game with Tua.
Speaker 6: That's what the Dolphins offense is right him throwing the
Speaker 6: ball get into the playmakers again. He's playing great football.
Speaker 6: This hurts my heart. But I gotta say, Sam Donald,
Speaker 6: I would have to probably.
Speaker 7: Take Darnald And you know what, Steve, I wanted to
Speaker 7: defer to you on that because I know how much
Speaker 7: you support like and I do too, and you know,
Speaker 7: we share a lot of the same sentiment about how
Speaker 7: just like exquisitely he does run that offense to such precision,
Speaker 7: and the way that he can hand the ball off
Speaker 7: and just some of the just the pre snap cadences
Speaker 7: and the timing tour does to It's beautiful. But we're
Speaker 7: talking about now this quarterback and Sam Donald, who is
Speaker 7: being asked to step up and make these clutch, difficult
Speaker 7: plays on long downs and distances late in games to
Speaker 7: win those games, to keep this Viking streak alive. So
Speaker 7: I'm going to go, especially knowing your vote, now, gonna.
Speaker 5: Go with Steve.
Speaker 4: It's just too hard the way I came into today
Speaker 4: thinking I'm gonna push for Tua and that two is
Speaker 4: gonna make it, and it it became a numbers game here.
Speaker 3: No, it became a riptide game, grit.
Speaker 7: It certainly did not become a numbers game. First of all,
Speaker 7: you decided we're going to ten, and also you pulled
Speaker 7: your riptide.
Speaker 5: So what's the argument.
Speaker 2: I just assumed Gino was gonna be safe. I didn't
Speaker 2: even know that that was going to be a discussion.
Speaker 4: I thought I could maybe get I would I would
Speaker 4: probably take Donald over Jane Daniels. But that's not It's
Speaker 4: not a conversation that we're gonna have today. Let's let's
Speaker 4: vote on Sam Darnold making it back. This man has
Speaker 4: been through so much and responded and he has just
Speaker 4: made history.
Speaker 2: On Quarterback Island.
Speaker 4: We are all holding up our yes placards. He is
Speaker 4: the first man to ever get booted off Quarterback Island
Speaker 4: to get back on and that that's typical of a
Speaker 4: guy who has fought back throughout it.
Speaker 6: And let's put a chef's kiss on the Jets as
Speaker 6: two former Jets starting.
Speaker 3: Quarterback are on the island and Gino Arnold.
Speaker 4: I apologize. I apologize to uh Jalen Hurds. Yeah, Jalen,
Speaker 4: you're you're really playing like excellent football, but when you're
Speaker 4: the kind of secondary piece of your offense, it's tough.
Speaker 7: And I want to personally apologize to Matthew.
Speaker 9: Stafford before his availability tomorrow.
Speaker 4: What a session of Quarterback Island. Uh, you were right
Speaker 4: to be stressed out before him. I am, I am
Speaker 4: stressed out. Now do we have do we have a
Speaker 4: full screen of the new members of the graphic?
Speaker 3: I will?
Speaker 4: I freed them aloud for the audio listeners. Josh Allen
Speaker 4: shout out to him. Yes, might be the m v P.
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow. We never doubt you. Jadeen Daniels wasn't sure,
Speaker 4: but this side of the table convinced me. Jared Goff,
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert, surprisingly little discussion, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes and yes,
Speaker 4: Gino Smith, I used my ripcord here and for the
Speaker 4: first time all year, and I won't be able to
Speaker 4: do it ever again. He is on the island. We
Speaker 4: have added Jordan Love good job. Sam Darnold is absolutely
Speaker 4: back on the island. And who am I forgetting?
Speaker 3: Is that? It's it three NFC North QBS.
Speaker 5: You did say Pat Mahomes, Right, yeah.
Speaker 2: I did say, Pet. We will take a quick break.
Speaker 4: Well, you will talk a little Thursday Night football after this.
Speaker 3: The island is hot.
Speaker 4: If any of us smoked cigarettes, that's what what I
Speaker 4: what I would have.
Speaker 2: It's just done.
Speaker 5: But screw a cigarette. I need a gummy.
Speaker 4: Yeah man. Sorry, by the way, to the guys put
Speaker 4: it off. So you're CJ and Kyler and Jalen Hurst.
Speaker 4: But we found our twelve and I'm excited about it.
Speaker 4: You gotta have a code. You got to stand up
Speaker 4: for stuff you believe in.
Speaker 3: Kids.
Speaker 4: If you're out there, and I believe in Gino Smith,
Speaker 4: he's gonna prove this choice.
Speaker 3: Correct. I got a great, great opportunity.
Speaker 4: Okay, it is time for our TNF preview presented by
Speaker 4: Amazon Prime Video. Let's talk about two of the quarterbacks
Speaker 4: on quarterback Island who are playing on Thursday Night football.
Speaker 2: I love it that Jordan Love got on. For some reason.
Speaker 4: I came into today thinking that was gonna be my
Speaker 4: most difficult challenge would be get him on.
Speaker 2: But you guys were.
Speaker 4: With me, and here he is on Thursday night.
Speaker 2: He goes to Detroit.
Speaker 4: This was a rematch of a somewhat underwhelming game that.
Speaker 6: It's a weird game because green Bay totally controlled the game.
Speaker 6: Remember Detroit only had like two hundred toty yards of offense,
Speaker 6: but they won twenty four to fourteen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got out too quickly the tough weather game.
Speaker 4: I think Jordan Love's playing better now. They go to
Speaker 4: a Lions team that is banged up. Just before we
Speaker 4: even talk, I'm just gonna give it a little bit
Speaker 4: of an injury update for both of these teams. DJ
Speaker 4: Reader uncertain whether he plays in this game. Taylor Decker,
Speaker 4: they're left tackle the Lions, not looking like he's going
Speaker 4: to play. According to Dan Campbell, Carlton Davis, their cornerback
Speaker 4: is looking like he is going to play in this game.
Speaker 4: So that's good news at least on that front. Josh
Speaker 4: Pascal Levi on Wrique Malcolm Rodrigez.
Speaker 3: I mean that's tough up the spine of that defense.
Speaker 3: They are thin man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Pascal and Onrike isn't announced yet about their status,
Speaker 4: but it doesn't it doesn't sound great.
Speaker 2: And yeah you mentioned Rodriguez.
Speaker 4: They're now missing three of their top four linebackers. Derek Barnes.
Speaker 4: They could get back at some point, but not for
Speaker 4: this game. So there's some players that you probably have
Speaker 4: never heard of that are playing at line backer for
Speaker 4: the Lions. I did want to mention Jayra Alexander was
Speaker 4: back at practice and they're gonna you know that seems
Speaker 4: like it's going to be something of a game time decision.
Speaker 4: Elkton a good offensive lineman for the Packers, and Drin
Speaker 4: Cooper their linebacker might be out for this game. So
Speaker 4: a lot of injuries, but especially on the Lion's side,
Speaker 4: really affecting them. We'll start with you, Steve. Let's start
Speaker 4: with loving the Packers' offense. Do you think they can
Speaker 4: take advantage of all these injuries in a nice climate.
Speaker 4: I know they're from Green Bay and all, but a
Speaker 4: nice climate control like how we like it?
Speaker 3: Right? Yes, forget all the snow and the cold.
Speaker 6: Yes, of course, I mean, who is when you think
Speaker 6: of besides Jordan Love, who's the offensive piece for the Packers,
Speaker 6: Josh Jacobs. I mean, he's a physical force. His run
Speaker 6: balance is like Marshaun Lynch's. I mean it's incredible. So
Speaker 6: I think you go up the middle of the defense.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, Alee McNeil is a beast, but
Speaker 6: if Reader's not in there, man, that dude occupies bodies.
Speaker 3: He keeps linebackers clean.
Speaker 6: And if he doesn't play, you are going to see
Speaker 6: Matt Lafleur use number eight right there and get that
Speaker 6: push and clean some people up in the middle. Look
Speaker 6: at that run balance right during that vide we're watching.
Speaker 6: It's just absolutely insane. Plus Matt Lafleur is also going
Speaker 6: to scheme some things drag routest hook routes just to
Speaker 6: take advantage of some of that underneath middle zone that
Speaker 6: the Lions are gonna have to play. They can allow
Speaker 6: anything explosive down the field. So I think that center
Speaker 6: of the field for the Detroit Lions is going to
Speaker 6: be vulnerable.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you mentioned you know, very very new, brand new
Speaker 7: faces in some points, not only on the interior but
Speaker 7: at linebacker. So I could really see Matt Lafleur doing
Speaker 7: that dastardly thing that we know he can do with
Speaker 7: this run game, but also with their screen game, with
Speaker 7: some of the ways that they manipulate their tight ends
Speaker 7: in space, not only as blockers, but disguising different gaps,
Speaker 7: making outside wider edges than you would normally think for
Speaker 7: the run game, and then pulling it back inside all
Speaker 7: of a sudden, giving them a lot to think about.
Speaker 7: And it will be you know, Jordan Love distributing the
Speaker 7: ball and all of those things. I expect him to
Speaker 7: take a few shots downfield as well, but a lot
Speaker 7: of this is going to start up front because that
Speaker 7: is where the injuries have compounded in those first and
Speaker 7: second levels for the Lions defense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's such a mismatch for both offenses.
Speaker 4: I think both offenses should look at this and think
Speaker 4: like we are offensive football teams, especially the Packers. The
Speaker 4: Lions defense has stood so tall, all sis safety are
Speaker 4: so good, and they've been such a good defensive team,
Speaker 4: and they are relatively healthy in the secondary still, and
Speaker 4: that's the strength there. Romeo Dobbs also in the concussion
Speaker 4: protocol not expected to play in this game, which is
Speaker 4: a big loss for Green Bay as well. Whenever there's
Speaker 4: two teams that are reasonably close, and the Packers here
Speaker 4: are nine to three. This is a division matchup. When
Speaker 4: they played twice in a short amount of tempt, I
Speaker 4: tend to favor the team that lost the first time around. Now,
Speaker 4: this is the best division potentially ever that we that
Speaker 4: we've seen. They are the first, the first division in
Speaker 4: football history to have three teams this late in the
Speaker 4: season at a seven to fifty win percentage or better.
Speaker 4: Like It's never happened, not since the merger when there
Speaker 4: were really divisions in everything like that. So there's never
Speaker 4: been three teams with this good of a record this
Speaker 4: late in the season as Packers, Lions and the Packers
Speaker 4: and the of course, well, the Packers are starting to
Speaker 4: peak defensively, I worry a little bit more about them.
Speaker 4: But Kenny Clark started to make some noise, van Ness
Speaker 4: started to make some noise, or Shaun Gary started to
Speaker 4: make They have to get some sort of pressure on
Speaker 4: Detroit because the pass rush for Green Bay has been
Speaker 4: a weakness for them all season long, and if they
Speaker 4: revert back to kind of what they've been and they
Speaker 4: get bullied up front, by this Lions offensive line like
Speaker 4: so many teams do. Ultimately, I'm not I'm not sure
Speaker 4: they can keep up and attract me. Maybe maybe they can,
Speaker 4: maybe they can't. But they need their guys because they're
Speaker 4: not banged up like these are their first round picks,
Speaker 4: the guys who are making all the money. They Sometimes
Speaker 4: it's just getting your guys to play better. Their best
Speaker 4: guys haven't played their best all season. But I think
Speaker 4: you've seen just a little bit of signs from from
Speaker 4: those big names Kenny Clark or Shan Gary over the least.
Speaker 6: And this is huge for the Packers, right if they
Speaker 6: knock off the Lions, Okay, then you've got a two
Speaker 6: ways with Detroit Minnesota. But then Green Bay now is
Speaker 6: sitting right there with the rest of the season where
Speaker 6: they're now going to start talking about home field instead
Speaker 6: of those two teams thinking about they're playing in seventy
Speaker 6: six degrees.
Speaker 4: I saw next gen stats had only four teams with
Speaker 4: a real chance to get home field advantage, mostly Lions.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: Then the Eagles were under fifty percent, Vikings a little smattering,
Speaker 4: and the Packers were sitting there at two percent. But
Speaker 4: that does go up and you know, if they win
Speaker 4: this game, then then it's more than the two percent.
Speaker 2: You're right, they have a chance.
Speaker 4: And if if the Lions lose this then the Eagles
Speaker 4: take over as the favorite for home field, which.
Speaker 3: Is and nobody wants that.
Speaker 6: I mean, look, I think the Lions are built to
Speaker 6: play outdoors in this weather, but they've only played they
Speaker 6: will only play when the season ends in three true
Speaker 6: outdoor stadium.
Speaker 4: And we know that.
Speaker 7: I mean, we saw it last week. The Packers are
Speaker 7: indeed built to play outside. Built like I said earlier
Speaker 7: in the show when I was gushing about the diversity
Speaker 7: of the run game and how multiple they can be
Speaker 7: off of everything that it builds, that is a team
Speaker 7: that you know the Lions, I mean, and as banged
Speaker 7: up as they are, it's the worst possible time for
Speaker 7: the Lions defense to be facing this physical Packers' offense
Speaker 7: at the same time. I mean, like you guys said before,
Speaker 7: it's kind of a good foil game for either side.
Speaker 7: And Jared Goff, even when you rush four against him,
Speaker 7: he's not struggling like he used to, particularly inside, He's
Speaker 7: not struggling like he used to against any kind of pressure.
Speaker 7: He's been incredibly productive. Like we mentioned on quarterback Island,
Speaker 7: part of the reason he's on firmly so firmly on
Speaker 7: quarterback Island is if you just rush for like the
Speaker 7: Packers have. You know, most of the time they blitzed
Speaker 7: a lot more in the last matchup against the Lions.
Speaker 5: It wasn't super effective.
Speaker 7: And when they drop back and rush, when they just
Speaker 7: sit and rush four like we've seen them also do
Speaker 7: with some effect against other quarterbacks this season, that's those
Speaker 7: types of things are just not working the way that
Speaker 7: they used to against Jared Goff. So you're gonna have
Speaker 7: to try to get your secondary activated the way they
Speaker 7: were taking the ball away earlier this season, you're gonna
Speaker 7: have to activate your secondary.
Speaker 2: If you're Jeffley, it's yeah.
Speaker 4: And that's where some mismatches are happening for Detroit. I mean,
Speaker 4: when Detroit as the ball, there's mismatches all over the place.
Speaker 4: This could be a great game for the Pine Suwell
Speaker 4: agenda running out.
Speaker 3: I am pushing that agenda hard, my man.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I had him in my MVP ladder. I
Speaker 4: put it fourth to be there. I think you can
Speaker 4: do what you want with votes, and if you want
Speaker 4: him to kind of represent this Lions offensive line, and
Speaker 4: he obviously is the best player on it by a
Speaker 4: good deal, and maybe the best at his position.
Speaker 2: You can vote that way.
Speaker 4: And so I think him against these three young safeties
Speaker 4: that they're playing, so Xavier McKinney, I guess you wouldn't
Speaker 4: call him young anymore. He's right in the middle of
Speaker 4: his prime. But what they've done with some injuries at
Speaker 4: their linebacker level and just in cornerbacks, is they're playing
Speaker 4: their two rookie safeties Bullard and Evan Williams together and
Speaker 4: Bullard's in the slot a lot. Bullard's been quiet, Javon
Speaker 4: Bullard a second round pick, but you haven't noticed them
Speaker 4: in a bad way. Evan Williams has made a lot
Speaker 4: of positive plays. So these three safeties on the field
Speaker 4: and you're running the ball against that kind of look.
Speaker 4: Quay Walker who has made some plays over the last
Speaker 4: few weeks, but drives Packers fans absolutely crazy. And I
Speaker 4: think is a weakness of their defense is their linebacker position.
Speaker 4: Maybe this is this is a Sewel and a Jamier Gibbs,
Speaker 4: because as good as David Montgomery is, and he's awesome,
Speaker 4: they have the almost the exact same amount of rushing
Speaker 4: attempts and the exact same amount of catches this year,
Speaker 4: and yet Gibbs has two hundred and fifty yards more.
Speaker 4: He's a top five yards from scriptage guy in the
Speaker 4: the entire league. And I do think this is a
Speaker 4: week where you just got to win in a shootout.
Speaker 4: You feel bad almost for the Lions that, like's so
Speaker 4: hard to get a one seed. It's so hard to
Speaker 4: win the super Bowl because after this, man, they come
Speaker 4: off that Thanksgiving game, you know, all these games in
Speaker 4: a short period of time. Then you got the Bills
Speaker 4: next week, you got the Vikings coming up, You're at
Speaker 4: San Francisco. We'll see what they look like. It's like, man,
Speaker 4: it is so hard to just get a freaking one seed.
Speaker 4: Of all the years for them to be eleven and one,
Speaker 4: this is a tough one for it.
Speaker 7: I know someone was sort of commenting on different discussions
Speaker 7: that we've had, whether at the athletic or you know,
Speaker 7: on this show, and it's like, man, it's in a
Speaker 7: historic year, right, these other teams just will not start
Speaker 7: losing games, right, and it's driving then the rest of
Speaker 7: the fan base's nuts, which is fair, but like, hey,
Speaker 7: that's great for everybody.
Speaker 4: But and they can all think that way, like Green
Speaker 4: Bay could be like Man, in a normal year, we'd
Speaker 4: be winning the division.
Speaker 2: We're in third.
Speaker 8: Play Vikings probably the Vikings have ten wins, right yeah,
Speaker 8: like the Eagles of one eight in a row.
Speaker 4: They're like, wait, we got to wait for one of
Speaker 4: these other teams to win. It is so competitive. It's
Speaker 4: an awesome conference right now.
Speaker 7: Ben Johnson, there's like a subplot within a subplot. It's
Speaker 7: not really a big deal, but it is kind of
Speaker 7: fun in it just doesn't happen often kind of way.
Speaker 7: And a little oopsie out of Detroit or Jamier Gibbs
Speaker 7: accidentally shared some photos of the Lion's plays on the whiteboard.
Speaker 7: Dan Campbell said that he wasn't concerned about it. Obviously
Speaker 7: they change calls every week. And also if you look
Speaker 7: close enough in certain reddit circles, you can find copies
Speaker 7: in every playbook in existence in these.
Speaker 3: Circles that he coaches call sheet.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and and this the close ups of the call sheet.
Speaker 7: And they change calls every week, they change words. Every
Speaker 7: team does this unless you are just an absolute fiasco
Speaker 7: of a team, and some are, and but teams who
Speaker 7: aren't know what they're doing. They change their calls every week.
Speaker 7: So but Ben Johnson did not mean to. Sometimes he
Speaker 7: just says things right, and he inadvertently gave the Packers
Speaker 7: like a little bulletin board material. I think if I'm
Speaker 7: just reading this quote flat and he said, have you
Speaker 7: guys thought about maybe we wanted them out there so
Speaker 7: now we know what they know? And he was joking
Speaker 7: obviously on Monday, and he said, so he's now so
Speaker 7: he's like, oh yeah, oh god, what a comp He.
Speaker 4: Said, no, if they lose this game that he's going
Speaker 4: to sue them afterwards.
Speaker 7: Yeah, He's like, each week we try to keep guys
Speaker 7: off balance, teams off balance. We certainly don't want them
Speaker 7: to know what's coming. And then he said, look back
Speaker 7: at the first time we played the Packers this year,
Speaker 7: third and five. It was our first third down of
Speaker 7: the game. We made a check and you can see
Speaker 7: Packers defensive lineman Kenny Clark giving the signal for a
Speaker 7: check right there, which is usually universal to check for
Speaker 7: a run. Well, we ran it and we got nine yards.
Speaker 7: So his point was, even when they know what's coming,
Speaker 7: we still do the thing.
Speaker 2: That's what pell do that's what football.
Speaker 4: I don't think the Eagles are confusing anyone with their
Speaker 4: their fourth down, fourth quarter strategy.
Speaker 6: I don't think the Ravens are confusing folks and what
Speaker 6: they're doing on third and one either.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: If the Lions can win this game and somehow get
Speaker 4: that one seed, yeah, Campbell is my coach of the year.
Speaker 4: Because here, I just want to real quick, I just
Speaker 4: want to give you. I just want to give you
Speaker 4: some guys who are playing significant snaps for the Lions
Speaker 4: in their recent history in this game. Al Kahed Muhammad
Speaker 4: used to be a nice player for the Colts, got
Speaker 4: a nice second contract for the Bears. Actually didn't have
Speaker 4: a snap in the NFL all of last year. Was
Speaker 4: not on this roster because he was on the practice
Speaker 4: squad until recently. Played significant snaps last week. Khalil Dorsey,
Speaker 4: an undrafted free agent from the Ravens back in the day,
Speaker 4: played a career high snaps last week at cornerback. Some
Speaker 4: of the linebackers that you mentioned that could be playing,
Speaker 4: Ezekiel Turner eighteen UDFA, who has never played this much
Speaker 4: in his entire career, started with the Cardinals. David Long,
Speaker 4: cut by the Dolphins, two weeks ago, and then Trevor Nuwaski,
Speaker 4: who has been an undrafted free agent with the Lions
Speaker 4: now in his second season. These guys are all out
Speaker 4: there getting significant steps being trusted. We'll see if they
Speaker 4: can make it work. Jordan love you got to make
Speaker 4: them pay as much as we just said how much
Speaker 4: we love you.
Speaker 2: He's only been averaging about.
Speaker 4: Twenty three twenty four attempts a game during this great stretch.
Speaker 4: They haven't needed him to totally ball out and dominate.
Speaker 4: They're gonna need it on Thursday Night.
Speaker 3: O qaick Dan Campbell over Tomlin.
Speaker 4: I think if they get to the end the finish line,
Speaker 4: anyone can vote the way they want. I think it's
Speaker 4: okay to consider the breadth of the coaching job that
Speaker 4: you do everything that you did, and so Tomlin gets
Speaker 4: some credit for that too, But to me, since Campbell
Speaker 4: didn't win it last year, I think he deserves it.
Speaker 7: I my pool of people who I would if I
Speaker 7: got a top five, I don't. If I got a
Speaker 7: top five, and in no particular order, I would certainly
Speaker 7: have Dan Campbell in the top there. I would also
Speaker 7: have Matt Lafleur. Think the breadth when the breadth of
Speaker 7: the last two years with such a young group and
Speaker 7: how they grew up. So this is a cool matchup
Speaker 7: between again we see it, you know, twice a year,
Speaker 7: but again between possible Coach of the Year candidates. I
Speaker 7: would have Kevin O'Connell in there, as you guys know.
Speaker 7: I would have Dan quinn in there. Still, I would
Speaker 7: have Sean McDermott in there. I would have Mike Tomlin
Speaker 7: in there. That's six but it's fine.
Speaker 5: Math is hard. As we earlier, there.
Speaker 4: We go this episode bring full circle, Jordan, all Right,
Speaker 4: that was this week's teen have preview presented by Prime Video.
Speaker 4: Be sure to check out the Green Bay Packers when
Speaker 4: they take on the Detroit Lions this Thursday on Prime Video.
Speaker 2: I'll pick the Lions in this game. I can't pick.
Speaker 2: I can't pick.
Speaker 4: Against the line right now, but nothing would nothing would
Speaker 4: surprise me in it'd get spicy if the Packers win
Speaker 4: this one. I'm looking forward to recapping this with Jordan
Speaker 4: on Thursday night.
Speaker 7: And I'm picking the Packers because of the way they
Speaker 7: ran the ball.
Speaker 2: I could see it.
Speaker 4: I'm a little like it just feels like Lions are
Speaker 4: like America's team you just want.
Speaker 5: I want.
Speaker 7: I want the Lions to go all the way. But
Speaker 7: on this game, I am picking the Packers.
Speaker 4: That is it for today's show. Let's let's play us out.
Speaker 4: I need to get out of here.
Speaker 6: We'll be back if even plus one equals.
Speaker 2: When we're when we're struggling with basic bath. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: you know football is back. Quarterback Island was back as well.
Speaker 2: See you next time.
Speaker 5: Sorry, let me get one more sip. Sorry, so stressful
Speaker 5: as fun.