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Speaker 1: Twelve of the NFL's finest quarterbacks have left the comfort

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Speaker 1: of their stadiums and luxury suites for the adventure of

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Speaker 1: a lifetime. These brit iron heroes are used to leading

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Speaker 1: their teams on the field, but can they outplay, outlast,

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Speaker 1: and outthrow each other in the ultimate survival challenge?

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Speaker 2: You ain't everything you have with the Gobaine tied you.

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Speaker 3: We find a way to win, they.

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Speaker 2: No matter what.

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Speaker 1: The stakes are high and the competition is fierce. Only

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Speaker 1: one can claim the title of the ultimate survivor. Who

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Speaker 1: will rise to the top and who will be sacked?

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Speaker 2: They wrote me off.

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Speaker 3: I ain't right back, though, that's the problem. I'm right back.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 1: This is Quarterback Island.

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Speaker 2: This is Quarterback Island. Here on NFL Daily.

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Speaker 4: Usually we're in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio, but today,

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Speaker 4: of course, we are on Quarterback Island. I'm Greg Rosenthal

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Speaker 4: here with three time Quarterback Island resident Steve Weiss, a

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Speaker 4: man of the Islands.

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Speaker 3: We're all in the same beige pellette right now.

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Speaker 5: We didn't dress for the island.

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Speaker 3: No, it's a breezy. It's a breeze, you know.

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Speaker 4: It observes the sun and yes, Jordan Rodrigue of the Athletic,

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Speaker 4: who has been there from the very beginning. You're you're

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Speaker 4: stressed this morning because you left your notes that you

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Speaker 4: had made at four in the morning at home. It

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Speaker 4: is contagious and now I'm I'm a little stressed out.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what's going to happen on this QB Island.

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Speaker 4: I gotta say, I'm coming into it with a very

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Speaker 4: open mind, not sure what's going to happen.

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Speaker 5: Why, oh no, because I know what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm doing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's on the island. You know, we're a watch here.

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Speaker 6: You just kind of go when the sun's up and

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Speaker 2: So QB Island, what is it?

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Speaker 4: It's a place where the best quarterbacks in the NFL reside.

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Speaker 4: Only twelve can stay on the island. Before the season

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Speaker 4: even started, You two and Colleen Wolf and I we've

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Speaker 4: all contributed to putting twelve quarterbacks on Quarterback Island and

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Speaker 4: they've stayed there throughout the course of the season. What

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Speaker 4: it means to be on quarterback on You had some

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Speaker 4: questions before the show, Steve, But to me, it means

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Speaker 4: who is defining the position right now in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 4: who is playing the best and is the most important

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Speaker 6: And I like how you said right now because we've

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Speaker 6: seen and with this being the third iteration, I think

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Speaker 6: we've just seen certain growth, certain shortcomings as to where

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Speaker 6: this is why we got to put guys on and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we will be the.

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Speaker 6: Twelve right now. Man, it is going to be hard

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Speaker 6: to pull people off. We've done a good job.

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Speaker 7: It's been cool because we've seen as certain teams have

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Speaker 7: ascended and become the defining teams of their respective divisions,

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Speaker 7: even their respective conferences. We have seen quarterbacks leading those

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Speaker 7: conference and division defining teams their quarterback maybe takes a

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Speaker 7: step back from the superstars on the roster. It's been

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Speaker 7: very interesting. I think all of these things factor in

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Speaker 5: We're back.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Let's look at the current members of the Island.

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Speaker 4: Good voted by the panel back in week eight or so.

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Speaker 4: Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, this is an alphabetic border, Jaden Daniels,

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Speaker 4: Jared Goff, Justin, Herbert Lamar Jackson, very strong six pack

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Speaker 4: last time around. Brock Purty, Gino Smith also got onto

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Speaker 4: there at the old Folks Home.

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Speaker 2: At the Island and CJ.

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Speaker 5: Ramp leading up to his villa.

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Speaker 4: And this time around, we're going to start the discussion

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Speaker 4: with what quarterbacks aren't safe, and there's going to be

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Speaker 4: a few that aren't safe because we are making a

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Speaker 4: we're reducing the numbers. We're getting to December less teams

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Speaker 4: We are taking this number from twelve down to ten quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: So right off the bat, we got to get at

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Speaker 4: You weren't in the meetings that decided this number. But

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Speaker 7: I'm I will lead this off because, as you know,

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Speaker 7: have been fighting the good fight for a one John

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Speaker 7: Matthew Stafford who a long time, And I'm gonna come

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Speaker 7: out swinging with this because, yes, I still think that

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Speaker 5: Yes he can make every throw.

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Speaker 7: Yes, when he is on and healthy and has his

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Speaker 7: not only the Rams but from any offense. But right now,

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Speaker 7: the entire operation is playing slow. They're getting off to

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Speaker 7: stands now, he is fifteenth or lower in several major stats,

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Speaker 7: including completion percentage, yards per attempt, EPA per drop back.

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Speaker 7: He's at sixteen right now. We're defining the position right now.

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Speaker 2: Right now, right now, projecting forward, and it's about how they've.

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Speaker 7: Played Cpoe and I've I've thought he's had some absolutely outstanding,

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Speaker 7: You know how the Rams turned it on this time

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Speaker 7: last year. But if we're talking right now over the

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to.

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Speaker 7: See him tomorrow, but I am kicking him off of quarterback.

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Speaker 2: You better hope Kelly's not listening.

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Speaker 4: This is a stunner right off the bat that you

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Speaker 5: Well, I have TV Craig.

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Speaker 7: I have to own it because I've been fighting for

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm with you. It's interesting.

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Speaker 4: I didn't think you were gonna go there, you too,

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Speaker 4: all right, we are voting Matthew Stafford off the island.

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Speaker 2: You're watching it on YouTube. I have it.

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Speaker 5: I have to own it. I have to be the

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Speaker 7: If I was the one fighting for him that hard,

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Speaker 7: and this is appointed comment, then I also have to

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Speaker 4: I own by the way, that I was pushing hard

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Speaker 2: I glad you guys talked to me out of that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: I literally glad.

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Speaker 2: I never not even close.

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Speaker 4: Now, guy, you guys are seers, and I didn't think

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Speaker 2: The only reason.

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Speaker 4: Why is because I think he has stabilized a little

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Speaker 4: over the last three or four weeks. He's been consistent.

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Speaker 4: But is he defining? Is he excelling? Is he the

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Speaker 7: Not quite no, Because what they're doing now, after these

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Speaker 5: They have turned back to moving the ball on the ground.

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Speaker 7: And listen, you're gonna be hard pressed to hear me

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Speaker 7: we've seen in a long time and somebody who overall

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Speaker 7: in history, in the history of the league, is one

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Speaker 7: of several quarterbacks who does define the position. But if

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Speaker 7: we're talking talking about right now this year, this is

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Speaker 7: a player who when he's on, when he's at his

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Speaker 7: highest level, we've all seen it. He can lift this

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Speaker 7: the way he can navigate the pocket. It's hard to

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Speaker 7: watch him even after the latteral ankle sprain not supposed

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Speaker 7: him not be able to maybe move out of the way,

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Speaker 7: be able to do that. Now, You'll never hear me

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Speaker 2: No, he could be. It wouldn't shock me.

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Speaker 7: And I'm the one who argued so hard for him,

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Speaker 7: and I'm not seeing the same Matthew Stafford that I

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Speaker 6: See and that's when he gets Puoka coocker Cup back.

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Speaker 6: He's not doing that well. So that's that's why it's

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Speaker 6: a major strike against him.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so he's gone. I think there's one real obvious

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna let my friend Steve Wall.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I've got it. It's your boy. It's

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Speaker 3: your boy, the fan club that you're the president of. Gina.

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Speaker 4: Wait a second, No, No, that's the obvious one, Gina.

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Speaker 2: No way, Gino, that is so far from obvious.

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Speaker 5: I was brave, Gino.

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Speaker 2: You weren't brave at all compared to this guy.

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Speaker 6: I I you know, look just because we're cutting it

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't be here.

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Speaker 3: But I've got another guy.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna let you probably go with the other guy

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Speaker 6: who I think because there's another guy in the division too.

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Speaker 3: I'm not to sound off.

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Speaker 2: There's a few.

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Speaker 4: There's a few out there, you know, but we I

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Speaker 4: think are much more obvious than Gina. Okay, but make

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Speaker 4: your case, make your case against Gino, and we could

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Speaker 4: have an or we could table him for lait.

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Speaker 6: We could take him for later, because my thing is

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Speaker 6: they're not nastily winning because of him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Is he making plays here and there, yes, but he's

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Speaker 6: not like what he was doing earlier in the season.

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Speaker 6: They running the ball a little bit better, their timely

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Speaker 3: They're still not great offense though.

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Speaker 6: That's the one thing when you think about the Seahawks

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Speaker 3: What are they?

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Speaker 6: I think if we're talking about quarterbacks who define the position,

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Speaker 4: He's still up there in terms of just volume, you know,

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Speaker 4: Their offensive line's gotten a little bit better. Their running

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Speaker 4: push time time, I'll push back on you there. I

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Speaker 5: Wow, of course he was.

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Speaker 3: You are such a fan.

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Speaker 7: I'm ready to take him off for this for this round.

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Speaker 7: because the production is not necessarily like lifting the rest

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Speaker 7: and you guys talked about it earlier this week on

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Speaker 3: That's great, that's everything else, that's great.

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Speaker 7: But if we're talking about kind of where he's at

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Speaker 4: This list down, I think my thing is, I don't

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Speaker 2: I think he's actually played well.

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Speaker 4: And one thing that matters to me is how you

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Speaker 4: same level. Let's can we just table it? Can be

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Speaker 4: your favorite. I see where this is going. It's only

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Speaker 3: I think that's fair, okay.

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Speaker 4: I mean to me, there's by far the most obvious

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Speaker 2: Stroud, but he's my next guy.

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Speaker 7: He's got yeah, he plus is hard because I put

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Speaker 4: To me, he's just not close. He's not playing good exactly.

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Speaker 4: He's not playing good football. I don't even need to

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Speaker 4: get into the numbers. You watch it on a week

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Speaker 4: week basis. Yes, the offensive line is hurting him in

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Speaker 4: the running games, certainly, but when he is protected, like

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Speaker 2: He was protected.

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Speaker 4: Finding that game, he just up and down, skittish, not reliable,

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Speaker 6: Keeping his eyes I love him, yep. Not keeping his

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Speaker 7: I do have him in the section, and I actually

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Speaker 7: I have Stafford in this section. I have brought Perty

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Speaker 5: I have Gino.

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Speaker 7: I do have Geno in this second where the situation

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Speaker 7: saying about matth you too, It's like you're not transcending

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Speaker 7: It's been pressure, it's been missing weapons. It's been you know,

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Speaker 7: adjusting in that regard. I think that that's what is developed.

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Speaker 7: You're seeing bad habits developed. Y. It sucks because we

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Speaker 7: know what he's capable of. And the fact that that

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Speaker 2: He is off.

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Speaker 4: Although I appreciate you CJ for helping my boy Walker

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Speaker 4: go one and oh in the picks when and we

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Speaker 4: believe in you, we do. We didn't even discuss him

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Speaker 4: the issues that you said. But he's kind of caved

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Speaker 6: But because I think I think it's a fair conversation

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Speaker 6: if we can go there.

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Speaker 5: I hope that.

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Speaker 4: We got to see if if someone else would be

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Speaker 4: a better option. You mentioned brock Purty party, Yeah, we

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Speaker 6: I think it's fair. You know you were talking about

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Speaker 6: Samuel has not played like Deebo Samuel in a long time.

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Speaker 3: The rest of his receivers are hurt. CMC and Jordan

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Speaker 6: That's a recent development, But over the past few weeks

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Speaker 6: which it might not be. But if we're talking ten

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Speaker 6: you think Joey Burrow wishes he had some of the problems.

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Speaker 2: Rock brock Purty does still have Kyle Sanahan.

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Speaker 7: And defined but defining the position, defining defining what it

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Speaker 7: you know, the bones and the joints probably.

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Speaker 4: Hurt a lot, maybe end their season that that felt

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Speaker 4: like the last moment they were relevant.

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Speaker 7: But the thing is is, like, you know, we at

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Speaker 7: we probably would have had like Caleb to start on

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Speaker 7: that's why I think with with Brock Party, it's time. Okay,

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Speaker 7: Like he's been definitively on the island since we started.

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Speaker 7: It is time. It's you know, a lot of it

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Speaker 7: at with him.

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Speaker 2: Let's vote on it. I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: I vote on it hurts me man, because you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm like the president of the Rock Party.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 4: So this is fascinating because these three dudes, they got

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Speaker 2: The position is changing.

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Speaker 4: We're saying goodbye to the oldest member of the island, Stafford.

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Speaker 4: We're saying goodbye to what had been the youngest member

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Speaker 4: it is interesting about Purty, some of his numbers over

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Speaker 4: the course of the season actually still hold up pretty well. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he's ninth and success rate. He's sixth an EPA pri

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Speaker 4: place still, but you see the trend. I don't like that,

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Speaker 2: But I don't like that.

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Speaker 4: He's not one hundred percent versatile to be able to excel,

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Speaker 7: He went to college in what Ames, Iowa as well,

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Speaker 7: So it's like it's not like he doesn't have experience with.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't mean you have bigger hands though, No, no.

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Speaker 7: But I'm just saying, like, you know, I would say, like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: For him to prove he was more than just Kyle's guy.

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Speaker 3: Guys, he's getting his ass kicked out. Yeah he made.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that's.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's out there playing with like like not

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Speaker 2: She brought up the cold thing like, oh, I heard

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Speaker 4: I grew up in Massachusetts and people are always like, well,

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Speaker 4: it's still it's still cold, you know, back island and

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Speaker 2: I mean when when we played in.

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Speaker 4: The cold, it was cold as the great Michael Irvin.

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Speaker 4: It sucks for everyone. It doesn't matter if you grew

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Speaker 2: It still sucks.

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Speaker 7: You brought up the cold. I simply brought up another point.

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Speaker 7: Now you're all flared up. It's fine.

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Speaker 4: People always say that, he like, oh, it's cold, though

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Speaker 4: you're used to it, you grow maas, why do you

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Speaker 4: Some people are get over.

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Speaker 7: The fact I will. And to push back a little

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Speaker 5: Were so incredibly great.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, open the year, he has been like I agree

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Speaker 5: We're seeing it with c J. Stroud too.

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Speaker 4: We are and we have now looted three people off

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Speaker 4: we've tabled. Is there anyone else out of the group

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Speaker 6: I think so it's gonna sound like the craziest of

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Speaker 6: just saying overall, I don't think we should kick him off.

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Speaker 6: There's there's no way in the world I would say

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Speaker 6: But you know, I think down to Stretch is gonna

441
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Speaker 6: get better. He's you got Pa Checko coming back, Maybe

442
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Speaker 6: Juju's coming back. Guys like that. But when you look

443
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Speaker 6: at some of the other people that could be coming on,

444
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Speaker 6: you have to ask yourself, is he playing as well

445
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Speaker 6: as We'll get to whomever.

446
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Speaker 4: But I think I actually think so. I still think

447
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Speaker 4: so that he for instance, last week's game, how that

448
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,040
Speaker 4: game ended, where he makes two like fantastic plays in

449
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Speaker 4: a row and one ends up a negative five to

450
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Speaker 4: Kareem Hunt after he makes magic, and then another like

451
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,400
Speaker 4: bounces off Hopkins's hand when he makes magic. I do

452
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Speaker 4: think he's actually improved his play overall since the first

453
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Speaker 4: five or six weeks of the season. The numbers in

454
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Speaker 4: terms of EPA per dropbacks still solid, top ten, like

455
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Speaker 4: ninth in the league, fifth in success rate. So I

456
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 4: know the offense has been less efficient the last couple

457
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Speaker 4: of weeks, and that's the that's right in our memory.

458
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Speaker 4: But overall it actually has been a really efficient offense

459
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Speaker 4: and he's been able to show kind of his off

460
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Speaker 4: speed pitch.

461
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Speaker 2: Now, is he a top five quarterback this year?

462
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Speaker 4: No, which feels crazy to think about for Patrick Mahomes,

463
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Speaker 4: But he's solidly on to me, I am on, Yes.

464
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Speaker 3: He's solidly on.

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Speaker 8: Yes'n Patrick Dock But yeah, I like it you brought

466
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Speaker 8: him up that he's the reason why they're there. I mean, look,

467
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Speaker 8: we could put about half these quarterbacks on there and

468
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Speaker 8: say with the Chiefs to be winning ball games. I mean,

469
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Speaker 8: would you know we win a ball games with him?

470
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Speaker 3: Right now?

471
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Speaker 2: Greg?

472
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Speaker 4: With the Chiefs, you give Mandy Reid and they've played

473
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Speaker 4: some games. Yeah, I think they've been some games and

474
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Speaker 4: a great defense. Until the last couple of weeks, I

475
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Speaker 4: think they'd be winning some games.

476
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Speaker 5: I want to go to Greg Island. It seems like

477
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Speaker 5: a nice place.

478
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Speaker 4: It's it's very, very self assured, it's beautiful weather.

479
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Speaker 5: Confidence like, let's talk.

480
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Speaker 2: Let's talk Jayden Daniels. I want to talk Jayden Daniels.

481
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Speaker 4: Going into last week, some of the limitations I think

482
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Speaker 4: on this offense started to show up that he was

483
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Speaker 4: inconsistently accurate pushing the ball down the field. He was

484
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Speaker 4: for a number of games, but it's on it's on

485
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 4: so few attempts that it's a small sample size. And

486
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Speaker 4: actually the first couple of weeks of the season he

487
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Speaker 4: was struggling to throw it a little deeper. Then he

488
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Speaker 4: then he was hitting it, and even last week when

489
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Speaker 4: they got it going to me, it was more about

490
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Speaker 4: he's running the ball well again, and his threat and

491
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Speaker 4: the running game helps out his running backs, and they

492
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Speaker 4: cooked up some great runs games even in that game

493
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Speaker 4: against Tennessee, very little over ten yards from scrimmage, a

494
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Speaker 4: lot of short stuff which he's great at, and he

495
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Speaker 4: is healthy and running again. I want to table him

496
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Speaker 4: for now, but I want to put him in the

497
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Speaker 4: geno bucket of just Okay, we'll think about these guys.

498
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Speaker 4: Are our options to flip out because to switch out later?

499
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Speaker 4: Because to me, he has defined helped define the position

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Speaker 4: this year. Such an exciting player and he gets extra

501
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Speaker 4: points for that to me. But is he playing better

502
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Speaker 4: than some of these guys we'll talk about.

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Speaker 2: It's close.

504
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Speaker 3: I set him straight, Jordan, you know the deal.

505
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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 7: I think he has and does define this rookie class

507
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Speaker 7: of quarterbacks. And yes there are quarterbacks that there's a

508
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Speaker 7: cluster of really exciting rookies Drake May, who I know

509
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Speaker 7: you would love to talk about. In fact, I am

510
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Speaker 7: really glad that I did not play a Greg mentioned

511
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Speaker 7: Strake May drinking game earlier this week because I wouldn't

512
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Speaker 7: have made it into work today.

513
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Speaker 5: But bo Nicks go back and count buddy what show

514
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Speaker 5: all of those.

515
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Speaker 2: I wasn't going to bring him up today.

516
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Speaker 5: I don't know, but here's the thing I do.

517
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Speaker 7: I do want to bring him up because not not

518
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 7: for someone to be put on the island, but to say, like,

519
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Speaker 7: there's this really awesome cluster of ascending rookie quarterback play

520
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Speaker 7: right now in Drake may Bo Nix. I mean, what

521
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Speaker 7: like he'll still make his mistakes. That ninety three yard

522
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Speaker 7: seamball versus Tampa two last night, the touchdown to Marvin

523
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Speaker 7: Men's on Monday Night football just gorgeous.

524
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Speaker 3: Shows the from the end zone from the end zone

525
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Speaker 3: on third eleven.

526
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Speaker 5: Just gorgeous.

527
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Speaker 7: And Caleb Williams is playing better than he has all seasons.

528
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Speaker 7: And I think all of that's great, But I want

529
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Speaker 7: to I want a rookie quarterback on the island because

530
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Speaker 7: I think that this rookie class in part does define

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Speaker 7: this season. And I think that Jaden Daniels is still

532
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Speaker 7: the leader in defining what this rookie class is this season.

533
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Speaker 6: Yeah, we can talk about the passing numbers. I mean,

534
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Speaker 6: you get, you throw, you throw in the running numbers,

535
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Speaker 6: that's part of it. I mean, that's part of what

536
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Speaker 6: He's a huge part of it.

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Speaker 3: And you know why.

538
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Speaker 6: And you know this, Cliff Kingsbury, They're gonna be free

539
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 6: rushers coming at your quarterback in his games.

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Speaker 3: I mean that is just part of what he does.

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Speaker 6: Is part of the frustration of kind of watching this team,

542
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 6: like run the damn ball. So when you ran in

543
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Speaker 6: Arizona with James Connor, you were pretty good, right, you

544
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Speaker 6: got Brian Robinson that he was coming back from injury.

545
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Speaker 6: But run the ball sometimes, don't put it all on

546
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Speaker 6: your quarterback all the time. That doesn't work in today's NFL.

547
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Speaker 6: It just look at Jameis Winston, right, doesn't work.

548
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 4: His efficiency numbers two are still extra rest yards per attempt, so.

549
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Speaker 7: He's still top five and all of these advanced metrics,

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Speaker 7: including EPA for drop back.

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Speaker 2: Despite the slump, your argument held water for me.

552
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go ahead and call it vote early then,

553
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Speaker 4: because she convinced me. You know I can be convinced

554
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Speaker 4: by a successful argument. Was I kind of was thinking

555
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Speaker 4: about taking taking Jayden.

556
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Speaker 2: We do all look great.

557
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Speaker 4: I mean we're here in week fourteen and it doesn't

558
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Speaker 4: look like it. I mean, we look as fresh as

559
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Speaker 4: when we arrived on the island.

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Speaker 2: Number all right, Jayden is safe.

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Speaker 4: The guys who you know we haven't mentioned, which just

562
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Speaker 4: seemed like home runs are gonna stay on the island.

563
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Speaker 2: Josh Allen, Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 4: To me, losing games is not a disqualifying factor for

565
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Speaker 4: QB Island, So he is obviously on. Jared Goff, yes,

566
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Speaker 4: I thought has played better actually since the last time

567
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Speaker 4: we've talked on QB Island, So he's solidly there too.

568
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Speaker 7: Is like he oftentimes we'd see especially in like maybe

569
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Speaker 7: November back before he was with the Lions, and then

570
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Speaker 7: obviously there was like a dark period with the Lions

571
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Speaker 7: when they were just trying to build their roster up,

572
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Speaker 7: but you would see slumps like in November for example.

573
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Speaker 7: But Jared Goff from weeks five to thirteen actually has

574
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Speaker 7: stayed with definition in the top five in EPA per

575
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Speaker 7: drop back, like has stayed there, has not fluctuated, you know,

576
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Speaker 7: He's just been consistent. He's handled pressure well, he's operating

577
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 7: that offense. It's interesting there's still to this point there

578
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 7: is still whispers a lot of it's coming out of

579
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Speaker 7: that local market, and I don't think that necessarily it's

580
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Speaker 7: going to ring true when all is said and done,

581
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Speaker 7: but he's still I think, making himself at least in

582
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Speaker 7: the like underlying conversation about this, this MVP conversation.

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Speaker 3: Well you can he's out front, he's at the front guy,

584
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 3: but he's.

585
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Speaker 2: Probably he wasn't in my five. He was not in

586
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Speaker 2: Shook's time. Put it in that. We'll talk a little.

587
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: Lions packers later have to say it.

588
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 3: He's got a teammate that should be in there.

589
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: He could be four or five.

590
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Speaker 4: We'll talk about that because we are going to preview

591
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Speaker 4: that great Thursday night game with Jordan will be joining

592
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Speaker 4: me on the recap.

593
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Speaker 2: So he's saved. Lamar is obviously save.

594
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Speaker 4: Justin Herbert, I think is solidly safe, still playing really

595
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 4: well and the one last guy. Then I think I

596
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 4: said Lamar there, he's obviously safe, playing outstanding.

597
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Speaker 2: Kyler.

598
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Speaker 4: Kyler maybe is worth putting in the table category. I

599
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Speaker 4: think we voted on him at a peak. It was

600
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Speaker 4: after that Miami game. If what Kyler's doing better than

601
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Speaker 4: just about anyone. I was trying to figure out why

602
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 4: why is he first in QBR right now? It really

603
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Speaker 4: surprised me. I look at a lot of different metrics

604
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 4: and I use my eyes and I think PFF is

605
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 4: fine to look at, but epa drop back. You're a

606
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 4: little down on PFF right now. But I'm just looking

607
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 4: at everything and when one something stands out and he's

608
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 4: number one, it's very close. The top five are very

609
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 4: close him, Josh Allen, Burrow, Lamar, and Jane, and I

610
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 4: was trying to figure out because if you actually look

611
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 4: at their different metrics, which are you know, pass run, sack,

612
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 4: prevention penalties, something that they call like points above average,

613
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Speaker 4: Like he's just fifth or sixth and everything. And I

614
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 4: think what he's done well, which is which is why

615
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 4: he deserves strong consideration to stay on the island, is

616
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Speaker 4: he hasn't been making any mistakes. He's really good at

617
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 4: avoiding sacks, avoiding dumb penalties, avoiding interceptions. The big plays

618
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 4: just haven't been there as consistency as consistently the last month.

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Speaker 4: So to me, he's a table in my gut. I

620
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 4: feel like he is kind of part of what's defining

621
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Speaker 4: the position right now and he has a really good chance.

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Speaker 4: But I'm not ready to put him back on the

623
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 4: island quite yet. I want to see who the other

624
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Speaker 4: options are.

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00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 6: If I like them, I think that's where we need

626
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 6: to go because so right now we have what one

627
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 6: true vacancy with two on the table.

628
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Speaker 4: Yes, we've made it tougher because, like I said, we

629
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 4: reduced it from twelve to ten. Gino's on the table,

630
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 4: Kyler's on the table, and we have a lot of

631
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Speaker 4: guys to talk about it.

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Speaker 7: Let me tell you what I'm having a hard time

633
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Speaker 7: with because I think I do think that, like I

634
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 7: love watching Kyler play, I think he's played some of

635
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 7: his best football of his career so far this year.

636
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 7: We did catch him at a high point and you know,

637
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 7: we're not projecting into the future, but we're sort of

638
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 7: taking with the last four weeks and four games have

639
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 7: been and just sort of some of the ebbs and

640
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 7: the flows. It's hard for me, especially to this point

641
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 7: in the year, to not have Baker Mayfield on quarterback Island.

642
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 7: And I'm not necessarily saying he's a overall a better

643
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 7: quarterback than Kyler Murray. I think that they have a

644
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 7: lot of similarities in their game. But what I think

645
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 7: defines the position that Baker Mayfield does maybe almost better

646
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 7: than almost anybody other than maybe like the top three

647
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 7: guys on our list here is his team takes on

648
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 7: his personality.

649
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 4: Okay, hold that thought right there. We're going to take

650
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 4: a quick break. We'll talk a little Baker and yes,

651
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 4: Kyler touchdown interception ratio very overrated, but last four weeks

652
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 4: two touchdowns, three interceptions, haven't hasn't been running a ton.

653
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: The Kyler Baker comparison is very interesting.

654
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 4: We're going to talk about the guys not on the

655
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 4: island that could potentially be joining. Before we broke on

656
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 4: quarterback Island, got some my ties, took a little dip

657
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 4: in the water.

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Speaker 3: Did you like reson screen though?

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Speaker 2: Yes, of course I burn.

660
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Speaker 4: I burned what Jordan you You talked about Baker Mayfield

661
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 4: in your potential candidacy for him.

662
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would not feel right not having him on

663
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 7: the island at this point, you know, and I think

664
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 7: in part of me taking off, you know, a Matthew Stafford,

665
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 7: it is to make room for a guy like Baker Mayfield,

666
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 7: a guy who I think is defining the position as

667
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 7: we know it in the NFL right now in the

668
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 7: sense of not just the intangibles right which you see

669
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 7: it all over his tape. This team takes on his personality,

670
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 7: this team. He wills this team to win. They win

671
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 7: in different ways. Liam Cohen can pretty much do whatever

672
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 7: with Baker, even with a limited cast after Chris Godwin

673
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 7: left right, still making it happen in clutch, crucial moments

674
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 7: with Mike Evans, and really the stats are still he's

675
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 7: you know, they're you know, they're they're in the hunt.

676
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 7: They're trying to, you know, make sure that they secure

677
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 7: their their playoff spot in the hunt's the wrong word,

678
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 7: but making sure they secure that playoff spot. And he's

679
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 7: still number ten in EPA per drop back twenty five touchdowns,

680
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 7: eleven interceptions. That's not great, but I think you do

681
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 7: also factor in some of the limitations with the cast

682
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 7: that he's had and three rushing touchdowns. He's still third

683
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 7: in touchdowns thrown so far this season. And you just

684
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 7: see him like just like like almost forcing this to

685
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 7: happen his team. And anytime you flip on these games,

686
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 7: you just see it.

687
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 4: Or he's lucky, like he's stunk. On Sunday, I was

688
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 4: ready to put him on. I thought that was his

689
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 4: worst game of the year. He was the reason that

690
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 4: they were going to lose that game if Chuba Harvard

691
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 4: doesn't fumble right, and that's right at the moment where

692
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 4: I'm with you.

693
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Jordan, and.

694
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 7: You need luck sometimes though, man like this time.

695
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 4: But I can't try. I can't trust I can't trust him.

696
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 4: I was finally like, you're ready to trust him? And

697
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 4: then he just starts making erratic decisions. He was spraying

698
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 4: the ball all over the place into bad Panthers defense too,

699
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 4: And it just got me back to where he's still

700
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 4: Baker underneath it all. And and I and I have

701
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 4: a hard time on a day where where we're cutting

702
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 4: numbers saying that he's playing the quarterback position at a

703
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 4: higher level in any respect over Gino or Kyler Murray.

704
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: I just don't.

705
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 5: I literally, I said.

706
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 7: Though I'm not saying he is playing the best of

707
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 7: it like the quarterback, like as a top ten quarterback.

708
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 7: I'm saying that where he's at, what the structure of

709
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 7: his team looks like, what they're doing, what they're pushing for,

710
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 7: the way that they're winning games, the ethos that they

711
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 7: embody as they win games.

712
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 5: To me, he is defining the position right now.

713
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: One of many What do you think, Steve, I can't

714
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: ride with Bake Bake like that.

715
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 5: You have a huge Baker I know I had you

716
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 5: in the beginning of the year.

717
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: There's just there's just so many other guys who I think.

718
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 7: That's fair, you know, because we got to get Jordan

719
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 7: Love on there.

720
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 4: I mean, let's vote on Baker then, Wow, you pushed hard,

721
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 4: you were going to get it.

722
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 7: I'm voting no, yeah, just all right, I'll vote yes,

723
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 7: but I want to get Jordan Love on there.

724
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: See, Okay, and that's let's listen to it. Let's listen

725
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: to Jordan.

726
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: But like, here's here's where I'm stuck though, because now.

727
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 6: Jordan love I'm like, I'm riding for Jordan, and I'm

728
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 6: riding for Sam Donald me too, I mean.

729
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 5: And I like and then we talked.

730
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 7: We talked earlier Steve about the clutch factor, that head

731
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 7: to head.

732
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 5: Kind of thing.

733
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 7: All right, Sam Donald and Kyler Murray at the end

734
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 7: of this game, Sam Donald, at the end of the

735
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 7: last two games, the clutch factor is there. And he

736
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 7: hasn't ebbed or yeah, that's the right word. We're talking

737
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 7: about waves right island. He hasn't ebbed to the levels

738
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 7: of low that he previously had.

739
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 6: And here's here's my point, why Donald, if we're talking

740
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 6: about in the moment they're asking him to win ball games.

741
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 6: You look at the number of attempts when they're at

742
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 6: the five game winn streak at the beginning of the season,

743
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 6: he's throwing the ball about twenty five twenty six times

744
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 6: a game. He's throwing at thirty four to thirty five

745
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 6: thirty six times a game. Now, all right, they're asked

746
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 6: him to win ball games. Last three games, six touchdowns,

747
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 6: zero interceptions, right the Vikings, they got ten dubs now

748
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 6: and it's but then, I like, Jordan Love is like

749
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 6: playing you know, the giveaways. You know that's you know,

750
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 6: he's had them, but he's kind of lost the last

751
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 6: couple of games.

752
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 4: Okay, let's stay let's stay with Darnald for a second,

753
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 4: because that Kyler comparison is really and he's talking about Kyler. No,

754
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 4: but he she pointed that out and that wasn't head

755
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 4: We talked about head to head, all right, Okay.

756
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: Those if you look at Kyler last two weeks.

757
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 4: Now, he's got to play the Seahawks this week and

758
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 4: very well could win that game.

759
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 2: I'll probably pick them to win that game and even

760
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: it out.

761
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 4: But in those two games, Seattle really ate his lunch

762
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 4: and Gino played better against a pretty good Cardinals team

763
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 4: as well. That Minnesota game, to me, was so perfect

764
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 4: to make the point you were making about Sam Darnald,

765
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 4: because if you watch the first half of that game,

766
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 4: Donald's holding onto the ball a lot, a little bit skittish,

767
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 4: a little bit confused about maybe what's going on.

768
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 2: Kyler's very steady.

769
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 4: They're moving the ball a ton, But I got to

770
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 4: give it to you when push came to shove at

771
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 4: the end of that game, Donald is dropping dimes with

772
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 4: the help of his coach figuring things out there. Great

773
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 4: at adjusting, but he's playing his very best at the end,

774
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 4: and Kyler's he's just missing just a little something. And

775
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 4: Donald has really played well I think the last few

776
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 4: weeks after that, that little ebb that you mentioned in

777
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 4: the middle of the season.

778
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: Games.

779
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 4: I now I'm talking myself through it. At least put

780
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 4: Donald over Kyler and putting Gino over Kyler as well.

781
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 4: So I'm ready to vote on Kyler. I'm ready to

782
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 4: vote Kyler off because I want to open up another

783
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 4: spot here.

784
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: At least we got some good names.

785
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 4: I'm now voting no on Kyler because I believe you,

786
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 4: and I'm and I like.

787
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 2: Darnald over him, but Donald mine that make the cut.

788
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: I did not expect that.

789
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 7: But I do want to point out this is it's

790
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 7: a cool thing that Kevin O'Connell brought up last week.

791
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 7: You mentioned it. They're asking him to win games.

792
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 5: They're not. Yes, he can set things up for the quarterback.

793
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 7: You can create the layered routes, you can scheme whatever,

794
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 7: but you're still asking him to make super difficult throws

795
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 7: in crucial moments. There's a second, second and fourteen in

796
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 7: the fourth quarter. And like every coach from the Shanahan McVay,

797
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 7: even the O'Connell tree, although that's now because he has

798
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 7: different a different background, that's a little bit separate. But

799
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 7: often they'll just try to get to a neutral down,

800
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 7: third down, third and manageable right. Instead, they draw up

801
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 7: an option for Sam Darnold to through multiple reads to

802
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 7: hit justin Jefferson ask the sticks on it and pure

803
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 7: anticipation and like balls throw and like, and he hits it.

804
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 7: And it's like they that is the definition of what

805
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 7: you need to do to win your team games as

806
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 7: a quarterback who is the expectation is to make a

807
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 7: deep playoff runt and that's why I would like Sam

808
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 7: Darnold on the island, and here I.

809
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 4: Think I'm thinking about him strongly now. Also the ten wins.

810
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 4: It does matter to me somewhat that they are a

811
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 4: defining team of this season.

812
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 3: But here's here's here's the thing that I think we do.

813
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 6: We have to eliminate from our thinking when it comes

814
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 6: to Donald. Yes, of all these quarterbacks on the list,

815
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 6: who's the most likely to step on the banana peel

816
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 6: if they do get into the playoffs. We cannot have

817
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 6: that because I think most of should probably.

818
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 4: Say out of all these guys or even in the

819
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: next month, next month, that's not going to bother me

820
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 4: too much because we are talking about right now, and

821
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 4: of all.

822
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 7: Of these, I would you know, the rookie hasn't been

823
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 7: there before.

824
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 4: I mean, he's played well again, he's pressure, which is

825
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 4: what gets to me. The thing that you could always

826
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 4: say about Golf and then you could now always say

827
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 4: about Donald was yeah, but if you can get to him,

828
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 4: it's is out and and in that game. Again, another

829
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 4: example comparison, I can't believe we're taking Kyler off, but.

830
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: Let's review for a second.

831
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 5: He could come back from.

832
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: Stafford's off Stroud is off, Kyler is off. We have

833
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: board booted.

834
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 4: Four guys, Gino and Darnald right Donald right now are

835
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 4: on the table at least potentially take those two final spots.

836
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 4: We voted Baker down after an impassioned beautiful, really heart wrenching.

837
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 5: I'm trying to butter me push for him. He still

838
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 5: got a Geno vote.

839
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 4: Let's talk a little suck a little Jordan Love. Let's

840
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 4: talk a little Jordan.

841
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 7: I want Jordan Love on the island, not just because

842
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 7: he has an outstanding first name. I you know, spell though. Listen,

843
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 7: he's cleaning up. He's cleaning up the errors and you

844
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 7: saw him do it around this time last year as well. Yes,

845
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 7: and we'll talk about it when we get to the preview,

846
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 7: I know, but yes, he has probably one of the

847
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 7: most phenomenally gorgeous beautiful I don't even have adjectives for it.

848
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 7: Run games and run schemes in the NFL. Right now,

849
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 7: you lean on and that's great. You have to know

850
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 7: when to lean on that as a quarterback. But what

851
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 7: I like about Jordan Love over the past couple of

852
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 7: weeks is cleaning up the erratic play that had so

853
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 7: often kind of shot that offense in the foot a

854
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 7: little bit, and in terms of his production against pressure,

855
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 7: still not good. But his earlier averages are going to

856
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 7: sync that right now until he has more data to

857
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 7: help lift that a little bit more as they go

858
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 7: down the stretch. He is still number ten and epa

859
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 7: per drop back. He's got twenty touchdowns and eleven interceptions.

860
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 7: A lot of those interceptions have come against pressure. But

861
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 7: like I said, cleaning.

862
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: That up over the path he puts up, he puts

863
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: up numbers. Considering DIY this this is a team.

864
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 7: I'm not attaching this to the evaluation, but this is

865
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 7: a team who based off of this the last couple

866
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 7: of game, this last game, especially last couple of games too,

867
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 7: It's like, man, nobody's gonna want to play these dudes. Nope,

868
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 7: nobody in cana or who are more about.

869
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 3: The Thursdy night game later. I'll just leave it at that.

870
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, this Jeordia.

871
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 4: The one thing with him is twenty seventhing completion percentage

872
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 4: over expected. The the accuracy comes and goes a little

873
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 4: bit watching him play. Right now, can I possibly say

874
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 4: that I'm taking ten quarterbacks over this freaking dude?

875
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 2: Right now?

876
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 4: I'm putting him on the island, and I vote yes,

877
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 4: I overrule you were playing.

878
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 3: I'm the sametaining that's a rule.

879
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 4: I'm making a yes or Jordan, Okay, you want to

880
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 4: talk about some more guys.

881
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: There's two guys you got to talk about, Steve.

882
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 5: I know Steve.

883
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 4: There's a few more guys to talk about. Sure, but

884
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 4: I thought maybe he is just to me. I'm putting

885
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 4: my cards on the table of all the guys that

886
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 4: we could talk about or have talked about, I think

887
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 4: I'm putting love over all of them, and that there's

888
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 4: two spots open for me. He's pretty safe. Let's talk

889
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 4: about him. Who do you want to talk about?

890
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 7: As an executive co producer on Quarterback Island. As the

891
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 7: co creator of Quarterback Island, I am creating behind the glass,

892
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 7: I'm creating a new card.

893
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 5: It's to let Steve weish cook card.

894
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 6: Okay, here's the thing. I'm not going to slow burn this.

895
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 6: There's three guys I'm gonna mention that you should consider.

896
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 6: Jalen Hurts Okay, Russell Wilson. Ok And here's my out

897
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 6: of nowhere guy who's playing better than just about any

898
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 6: quarterback in the NFL.

899
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 3: At the moment. That is Tua Toungue of Iloa.

900
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 6: He did not have a great game against Green Bay,

901
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 6: but look at his numbers since he came back since

902
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 6: October twenty twenty five yards, fifteen toychdowns, four interceptions, one

903
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 6: hundred and eight passer rating. He is freaking dealing down there. Again,

904
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 6: he did not hit him in the cold.

905
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 3: That's not good.

906
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 4: That's not good for did he even play bad? I

907
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 4: don't think he played bad in that game at all.

908
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 4: He played well.

909
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 6: And what I am saying, if we're talking about problem,

910
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 6: look we can't like I can't see putting him on

911
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 6: over these other guys, but I can't defining the position

912
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 6: and playing the position as well as or better than

913
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 6: ten players in the NFL.

914
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 3: Right now, Tua Tongue of.

915
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 6: Iloa is in that discussion, my friends. Now do we

916
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 6: put them both Jalen or Rush, both of whom are cooking,

917
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 6: And we could say Jalen maybe not passing because they're

918
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 6: not asking to throw the ball that much, but Tua

919
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 6: is ball laying.

920
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 5: Gu would you put him over Gino Steve?

921
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: Yes?

922
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 6: But again I I just don't know if I if

923
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 6: I could right now put him over Russer, Jalen or

924
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 6: Jordan Love.

925
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: I mean, he's playing that well.

926
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 2: That's why I said.

927
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 4: I could put him over just about anyone that you've mentioned.

928
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 4: Maybe not Love, I don't know. I just think he's

929
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 4: playing in the position he's like, he can't ask so well,

930
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 4: you can't ask him to play better. And even that game,

931
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 4: like we're saying, was a bad game for him, they

932
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 4: were down fourteen to nothing before they had any plays.

933
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 7: Hard to come back from an early turnover like that

934
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 7: on specialty.

935
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 4: Right in the end, he threw for three hundred and

936
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 4: fifty five yards and a couple of touchdowns, and some

937
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 4: of them was late, but most of it was in

938
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 4: the flow of the game when they still had a chance.

939
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 4: And when I was watching him the three previous weeks

940
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 4: to that, I just thought, playing great. This guy is

941
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 4: playing football, is playing quarterback at a level that is

942
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 4: QB island worthy.

943
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: It's tough. It's tough.

944
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: People tough because I mean, right now they're cut.

945
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 4: The number down from twelve to ten or else there

946
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 4: would be more. But no, we all did the committee.

947
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: But since there's no slow burn, I mean, let's have

948
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 3: the Jalen, let's.

949
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 4: Okay, rest to me, is not close. He hasn't been

950
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 4: consistent enough. He hasn't put enough of a resume when

951
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 4: you're getting pulled in the middle of a fiasco of

952
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 4: a performance against Cleveland, he was.

953
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 6: Ten for ten on third down. They decided to put

954
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 6: in justin fields. Okay, Russ was playing man. They were

955
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 6: in a rhythm.

956
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: He's played well this season. I need a little more.

957
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 4: I don't think he's been as consistent as as you're

958
00:43:59,080 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 4: saying as too.

959
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 5: Or okay I and I would say too.

960
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 7: With the with the Jalen argument, we talk about defining

961
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 7: the position, and he is. He is the person I mean, Greg,

962
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 7: it is in your description of quarterback Island, and he

963
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 7: is on a defining team in the NFL in twenty

964
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 7: twenty four, one of probably four defining teams in the

965
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 7: NFL in twenty twenty four. He is the quarterback. And no,

966
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 7: he's not the superstar of this team right now, like

967
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 7: it's Saquon Barkley. And that's great, but I think you

968
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 7: at least have to talk about him and pay him

969
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 7: his respects as one of the better quarterbacks in this

970
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 7: He was the.

971
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 4: Last guy on my list of guys. We absolutely have

972
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 4: to talk about you know what was Russell Wilson. Now,

973
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 4: there were there were some fun just quarterback conversations. If

974
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 4: we had all day to talk about quarterbacks, I would

975
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 4: you know, you mentioned Drake May before, but I would

976
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 4: mention how well Bryce Young is playing.

977
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: He's playing better than those rookies.

978
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 4: Great, if he plays as well as he played over

979
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 4: the last five weeks for another four weeks, we might

980
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 4: have to talk about Bryce Young at the end of

981
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 4: the season. But you know, Jameis Winston is helping to

982
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 4: define the season. He's not on quarterback island, but he'd

983
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 4: be a great vibe to add to it. You mentioned

984
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 4: Bo Nicks before, but yes, Russ was the last guy

985
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 4: that I think needed serious consideration. So if we're breaking

986
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 4: it down at this point, and again, Jane Daniels is

987
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 4: on the island, this is where I kind of thought

988
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 4: about Jade Daniels is all right, Jade Daniels versus Love

989
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 4: or Donald or whoever. But right now we have two

990
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 4: spots available. Right now, Herbert's on there as well, on

991
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 4: the island. Absolutely two spots available, Gino, Donald, Love, Russ

992
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 4: if you want to throw him in there, and Tua,

993
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 4: I'm gonna call a vote. Now that we've talked about everything,

994
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 4: there's five guys, Gino, Donald Love, Russell Wilson, and Tua

995
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 4: and at this point, unless something changes, we need to

996
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 4: find two spots for those five guys.

997
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: We already voted Baker.

998
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 5: Off and lets you vote Gino off.

999
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,479
Speaker 4: Right, No, I'm saying, but either way, Yeah, it's two spots, right, Yeah,

1000
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 4: it's two spots off. At this point, I'm like, assuming

1001
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 4: he's off. So it's two spots for those five guys.

1002
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 4: Whether you vote Gino off or not. Oh my gosh,

1003
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 4: I am gonna at least call because I think it's

1004
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 4: the easiest thing left to do. A vote on Russell Wilson,

1005
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 4: great story, great season, not quite there yet.

1006
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: I vote no.

1007
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 3: I vote no.

1008
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 6: I saw him throw for four fourteen against CINCINNTI Bengals

1009
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 6: didn't want to tackle anybody.

1010
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, about half of those were like little dump offs

1011
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 4: over the middle of the field. That Naji Aera is

1012
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 4: not Russell Wilson's fault. But my god, I can't I've

1013
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 4: never seen a simple play. We're crazy.

1014
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: What is your vote, Jordan?

1015
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 4: Oh?

1016
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 5: I voted no.

1017
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 4: Okay, so we have four four guys for two spots.

1018
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 2: Okay, Gino, Donald Love and Tua. This is too much.

1019
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: I know.

1020
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 5: I hope the listeners can hear that. That's that side

1021
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 5: that Greg just let out.

1022
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 3: Are you calling a vote on Chief?

1023
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 5: I need to take a picture of Greg's stressed as

1024
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 5: we I.

1025
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 4: I am going to take a vote. I'm going to

1026
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 4: call a vote on the guy I believe deserves to

1027
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 4: be here more than anyone. That's Jordan Love as we

1028
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 4: head to these winter months. I want a big guy

1029
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 4: with a big arm who's playing football at a very

1030
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 4: high level. I am voting yes on Jordan Love. Jordan's yes,

1031
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 4: no enthusiastically.

1032
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: You wies know I love him. This is not tough

1033
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 3: for this right now. But I'm saying no.

1034
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 7: I know because I know you got we gotta I

1035
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 7: know I know why you're doing.

1036
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 2: You just got voted out, voted. Jordan Love is on the.

1037
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 7: Jordan is on the island. Jordan Jordan Is.

1038
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 3: You have the English spelling?

1039
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: All right, let's vote.

1040
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 4: All right, let's just let's just rip the band aid

1041
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 4: off here, let's do let's do the thing. It is

1042
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 4: very difficult here at the table to do this, but

1043
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 4: let's call a vote on Eugene Cyril Smith, I vote

1044
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 4: yes on Gino for.

1045
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 3: The listeners, I'm voting no.

1046
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 7: I'm voting no because I think Tua should be on

1047
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 7: the islands.

1048
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: Tua plane at a higher level. Gino is off.

1049
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: Gino's off. He can he can earn it back on.

1050
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 3: I mean they're in a play point.

1051
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 7: We'll release the the deep cut, the full cut of

1052
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 7: all the.

1053
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: Discussions and all the confusion.

1054
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 9: Where we of all the confusion, where Greg let out

1055
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 9: the deepest sigh I've ever heard, realizing that we still

1056
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 9: had to vote on ginas the reason.

1057
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 3: Why we're not doing math type occupation.

1058
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 2: Okay.

1059
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 4: Jordan Rodrigue, the co executive producer, introduced the element to

1060
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 4: the show that they could use at any point of

1061
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 4: the season. Someone can pull a riptide and keep someone

1062
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 4: on the island.

1063
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: And I am doing that right now.

1064
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 4: Is it atrocity that you turn Coats tried to take

1065
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 4: him off the island?

1066
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: Do you not know ball? Do you not see ball?

1067
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 2: Do you not watch the ball?

1068
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 6: So that's a Simon Cowell, Blake Shelton, you know, you

1069
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 6: know what she came up with, this whole idea.

1070
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 5: You're valid your valid use I'm using it once.

1071
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 7: This is the one you get all year and you

1072
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 7: you have used it, and you are valid in using

1073
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 7: it now, in using it.

1074
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 5: Let the audience know.

1075
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 7: That also means that either Sam Darnold or to a

1076
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 7: tongue of Iloa will not be making it on the island,

1077
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 7: because that's what it's coming down to right now. So

1078
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 7: just to I thought about it and clean everything up

1079
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 7: for the listeners so that we're all organized. Right as

1080
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 7: my hair keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger, we're

1081
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 7: all organized, and you have riptide ripcorded Gino onto the island.

1082
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 4: He's staying on controversial like that a controversial?

1083
00:49:58,600 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 3: No, it's it's not it's not that.

1084
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 4: Here's here's why it's great in part. These guys are

1085
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 4: all so close, right, and.

1086
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 3: Andy reduced it from twelve to ten.

1087
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 4: Greg, that's true. We could put them all on it.

1088
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 4: It could be a participation trophy. Everyone gets to stay

1089
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 4: on the island. Poor Jalen Hurts didn't even really get

1090
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 4: a discussion.

1091
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 5: We'll save it for Connie when she's here.

1092
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's a good would totally. It is Donald

1093
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 4: playing the position better than Gino right now is.

1094
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 7: To as a close can't take it back.

1095
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 2: So let's talk Donald.

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00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 5: We're talking to Donald versus Tua. Is the argument for.

1097
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 3: See.

1098
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 6: I mean, this is tough because Tua is playing so

1099
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 6: well right now, but Donald's got I mean, it's hard

1100
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 6: to overlook the ten wins. It's hard to overlook the

1101
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 6: fact that they are asking him to win ball games

1102
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 6: and he's doing it.

1103
00:50:59,320 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1104
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 6: Just look at the attempt the passing attempt numbers for

1105
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 6: Sam Donald over the past month. They have gone up

1106
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 6: again about seven or eight pass attempts per game with Tua.

1107
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 6: That's what the Dolphins offense is right him throwing the

1108
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 6: ball get into the playmakers again. He's playing great football.

1109
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 6: This hurts my heart. But I gotta say, Sam Donald,

1110
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 6: I would have to probably.

1111
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 7: Take Darnald And you know what, Steve, I wanted to

1112
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 7: defer to you on that because I know how much

1113
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 7: you support like and I do too, and you know,

1114
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 7: we share a lot of the same sentiment about how

1115
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 7: just like exquisitely he does run that offense to such precision,

1116
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 7: and the way that he can hand the ball off

1117
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 7: and just some of the just the pre snap cadences

1118
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 7: and the timing tour does to It's beautiful. But we're

1119
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 7: talking about now this quarterback and Sam Donald, who is

1120
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 7: being asked to step up and make these clutch, difficult

1121
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 7: plays on long downs and distances late in games to

1122
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 7: win those games, to keep this Viking streak alive. So

1123
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 7: I'm going to go, especially knowing your vote, now, gonna.

1124
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 5: Go with Steve.

1125
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 4: It's just too hard the way I came into today

1126
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 4: thinking I'm gonna push for Tua and that two is

1127
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 4: gonna make it, and it it became a numbers game here.

1128
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: No, it became a riptide game, grit.

1129
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 7: It certainly did not become a numbers game. First of all,

1130
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 7: you decided we're going to ten, and also you pulled

1131
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 7: your riptide.

1132
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 5: So what's the argument.

1133
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: I just assumed Gino was gonna be safe. I didn't

1134
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 2: even know that that was going to be a discussion.

1135
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 4: I thought I could maybe get I would I would

1136
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 4: probably take Donald over Jane Daniels. But that's not It's

1137
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 4: not a conversation that we're gonna have today. Let's let's

1138
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 4: vote on Sam Darnold making it back. This man has

1139
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 4: been through so much and responded and he has just

1140
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 4: made history.

1141
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: On Quarterback Island.

1142
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 4: We are all holding up our yes placards. He is

1143
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 4: the first man to ever get booted off Quarterback Island

1144
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 4: to get back on and that that's typical of a

1145
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 4: guy who has fought back throughout it.

1146
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 6: And let's put a chef's kiss on the Jets as

1147
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 6: two former Jets starting.

1148
00:52:55,040 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 3: Quarterback are on the island and Gino Arnold.

1149
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 4: I apologize. I apologize to uh Jalen Hurds. Yeah, Jalen,

1150
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 4: you're you're really playing like excellent football, but when you're

1151
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 4: the kind of secondary piece of your offense, it's tough.

1152
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 7: And I want to personally apologize to Matthew.

1153
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 9: Stafford before his availability tomorrow.

1154
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 4: What a session of Quarterback Island. Uh, you were right

1155
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 4: to be stressed out before him. I am, I am

1156
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 4: stressed out. Now do we have do we have a

1157
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 4: full screen of the new members of the graphic?

1158
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:34,959
Speaker 3: I will?

1159
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 4: I freed them aloud for the audio listeners. Josh Allen

1160
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 4: shout out to him. Yes, might be the m v P.

1161
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow. We never doubt you. Jadeen Daniels wasn't sure,

1162
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 4: but this side of the table convinced me. Jared Goff,

1163
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert, surprisingly little discussion, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes and yes,

1164
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 4: Gino Smith, I used my ripcord here and for the

1165
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 4: first time all year, and I won't be able to

1166
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 4: do it ever again. He is on the island. We

1167
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 4: have added Jordan Love good job. Sam Darnold is absolutely

1168
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 4: back on the island. And who am I forgetting?

1169
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 3: Is that? It's it three NFC North QBS.

1170
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 5: You did say Pat Mahomes, Right, yeah.

1171
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: I did say, Pet. We will take a quick break.

1172
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 4: Well, you will talk a little Thursday Night football after this.

1173
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 3: The island is hot.

1174
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 4: If any of us smoked cigarettes, that's what what I

1175
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 4: what I would have.

1176
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 2: It's just done.

1177
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 5: But screw a cigarette. I need a gummy.

1178
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 4: Yeah man. Sorry, by the way, to the guys put

1179
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 4: it off. So you're CJ and Kyler and Jalen Hurst.

1180
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 4: But we found our twelve and I'm excited about it.

1181
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 4: You gotta have a code. You got to stand up

1182
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 4: for stuff you believe in.

1183
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 3: Kids.

1184
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 4: If you're out there, and I believe in Gino Smith,

1185
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 4: he's gonna prove this choice.

1186
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 3: Correct. I got a great, great opportunity.

1187
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 4: Okay, it is time for our TNF preview presented by

1188
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 4: Amazon Prime Video. Let's talk about two of the quarterbacks

1189
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 4: on quarterback Island who are playing on Thursday Night football.

1190
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 2: I love it that Jordan Love got on. For some reason.

1191
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 4: I came into today thinking that was gonna be my

1192
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 4: most difficult challenge would be get him on.

1193
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: But you guys were.

1194
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 4: With me, and here he is on Thursday night.

1195
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: He goes to Detroit.

1196
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 4: This was a rematch of a somewhat underwhelming game that.

1197
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 6: It's a weird game because green Bay totally controlled the game.

1198
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 6: Remember Detroit only had like two hundred toty yards of offense,

1199
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 6: but they won twenty four to fourteen.

1200
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got out too quickly the tough weather game.

1201
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 4: I think Jordan Love's playing better now. They go to

1202
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 4: a Lions team that is banged up. Just before we

1203
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 4: even talk, I'm just gonna give it a little bit

1204
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 4: of an injury update for both of these teams. DJ

1205
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 4: Reader uncertain whether he plays in this game. Taylor Decker,

1206
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 4: they're left tackle the Lions, not looking like he's going

1207
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 4: to play. According to Dan Campbell, Carlton Davis, their cornerback

1208
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 4: is looking like he is going to play in this game.

1209
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 4: So that's good news at least on that front. Josh

1210
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 4: Pascal Levi on Wrique Malcolm Rodrigez.

1211
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 3: I mean that's tough up the spine of that defense.

1212
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 3: They are thin man.

1213
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, Pascal and Onrike isn't announced yet about their status,

1214
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 4: but it doesn't it doesn't sound great.

1215
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 2: And yeah you mentioned Rodriguez.

1216
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 4: They're now missing three of their top four linebackers. Derek Barnes.

1217
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 4: They could get back at some point, but not for

1218
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 4: this game. So there's some players that you probably have

1219
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 4: never heard of that are playing at line backer for

1220
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 4: the Lions. I did want to mention Jayra Alexander was

1221
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 4: back at practice and they're gonna you know that seems

1222
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 4: like it's going to be something of a game time decision.

1223
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 4: Elkton a good offensive lineman for the Packers, and Drin

1224
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 4: Cooper their linebacker might be out for this game. So

1225
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 4: a lot of injuries, but especially on the Lion's side,

1226
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 4: really affecting them. We'll start with you, Steve. Let's start

1227
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 4: with loving the Packers' offense. Do you think they can

1228
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 4: take advantage of all these injuries in a nice climate.

1229
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 4: I know they're from Green Bay and all, but a

1230
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 4: nice climate control like how we like it?

1231
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 3: Right? Yes, forget all the snow and the cold.

1232
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 6: Yes, of course, I mean, who is when you think

1233
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 6: of besides Jordan Love, who's the offensive piece for the Packers,

1234
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 6: Josh Jacobs. I mean, he's a physical force. His run

1235
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 6: balance is like Marshaun Lynch's. I mean it's incredible. So

1236
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 6: I think you go up the middle of the defense.

1237
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, Alee McNeil is a beast, but

1238
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 6: if Reader's not in there, man, that dude occupies bodies.

1239
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 3: He keeps linebackers clean.

1240
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 6: And if he doesn't play, you are going to see

1241
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 6: Matt Lafleur use number eight right there and get that

1242
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 6: push and clean some people up in the middle. Look

1243
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 6: at that run balance right during that vide we're watching.

1244
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 6: It's just absolutely insane. Plus Matt Lafleur is also going

1245
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 6: to scheme some things drag routest hook routes just to

1246
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 6: take advantage of some of that underneath middle zone that

1247
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 6: the Lions are gonna have to play. They can allow

1248
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 6: anything explosive down the field. So I think that center

1249
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 6: of the field for the Detroit Lions is going to

1250
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 6: be vulnerable.

1251
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, you mentioned you know, very very new, brand new

1252
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 7: faces in some points, not only on the interior but

1253
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 7: at linebacker. So I could really see Matt Lafleur doing

1254
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 7: that dastardly thing that we know he can do with

1255
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 7: this run game, but also with their screen game, with

1256
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 7: some of the ways that they manipulate their tight ends

1257
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 7: in space, not only as blockers, but disguising different gaps,

1258
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 7: making outside wider edges than you would normally think for

1259
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 7: the run game, and then pulling it back inside all

1260
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 7: of a sudden, giving them a lot to think about.

1261
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 7: And it will be you know, Jordan Love distributing the

1262
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 7: ball and all of those things. I expect him to

1263
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 7: take a few shots downfield as well, but a lot

1264
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 7: of this is going to start up front because that

1265
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 7: is where the injuries have compounded in those first and

1266
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 7: second levels for the Lions defense.

1267
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's such a mismatch for both offenses.

1268
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 4: I think both offenses should look at this and think

1269
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 4: like we are offensive football teams, especially the Packers. The

1270
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 4: Lions defense has stood so tall, all sis safety are

1271
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 4: so good, and they've been such a good defensive team,

1272
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 4: and they are relatively healthy in the secondary still, and

1273
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 4: that's the strength there. Romeo Dobbs also in the concussion

1274
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 4: protocol not expected to play in this game, which is

1275
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 4: a big loss for Green Bay as well. Whenever there's

1276
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 4: two teams that are reasonably close, and the Packers here

1277
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 4: are nine to three. This is a division matchup. When

1278
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 4: they played twice in a short amount of tempt, I

1279
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 4: tend to favor the team that lost the first time around. Now,

1280
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 4: this is the best division potentially ever that we that

1281
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 4: we've seen. They are the first, the first division in

1282
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 4: football history to have three teams this late in the

1283
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 4: season at a seven to fifty win percentage or better.

1284
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 4: Like It's never happened, not since the merger when there

1285
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 4: were really divisions in everything like that. So there's never

1286
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 4: been three teams with this good of a record this

1287
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 4: late in the season as Packers, Lions and the Packers

1288
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 4: and the of course, well, the Packers are starting to

1289
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 4: peak defensively, I worry a little bit more about them.

1290
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 4: But Kenny Clark started to make some noise, van Ness

1291
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 4: started to make some noise, or Shaun Gary started to

1292
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 4: make They have to get some sort of pressure on

1293
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 4: Detroit because the pass rush for Green Bay has been

1294
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 4: a weakness for them all season long, and if they

1295
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 4: revert back to kind of what they've been and they

1296
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 4: get bullied up front, by this Lions offensive line like

1297
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 4: so many teams do. Ultimately, I'm not I'm not sure

1298
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 4: they can keep up and attract me. Maybe maybe they can,

1299
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 4: maybe they can't. But they need their guys because they're

1300
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 4: not banged up like these are their first round picks,

1301
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 4: the guys who are making all the money. They Sometimes

1302
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 4: it's just getting your guys to play better. Their best

1303
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 4: guys haven't played their best all season. But I think

1304
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 4: you've seen just a little bit of signs from from

1305
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 4: those big names Kenny Clark or Shan Gary over the least.

1306
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 6: And this is huge for the Packers, right if they

1307
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 6: knock off the Lions, Okay, then you've got a two

1308
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 6: ways with Detroit Minnesota. But then Green Bay now is

1309
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Speaker 6: sitting right there with the rest of the season where

1310
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 6: they're now going to start talking about home field instead

1311
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 6: of those two teams thinking about they're playing in seventy

1312
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 6: six degrees.

1313
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 4: I saw next gen stats had only four teams with

1314
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 4: a real chance to get home field advantage, mostly Lions.

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01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 3: Yep.

1316
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 4: Then the Eagles were under fifty percent, Vikings a little smattering,

1317
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 4: and the Packers were sitting there at two percent. But

1318
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 4: that does go up and you know, if they win

1319
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 4: this game, then then it's more than the two percent.

1320
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Speaker 2: You're right, they have a chance.

1321
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 4: And if if the Lions lose this then the Eagles

1322
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 4: take over as the favorite for home field, which.

1323
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 3: Is and nobody wants that.

1324
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 6: I mean, look, I think the Lions are built to

1325
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 6: play outdoors in this weather, but they've only played they

1326
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 6: will only play when the season ends in three true

1327
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 6: outdoor stadium.

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Speaker 4: And we know that.

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Speaker 7: I mean, we saw it last week. The Packers are

1330
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 7: indeed built to play outside. Built like I said earlier

1331
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 7: in the show when I was gushing about the diversity

1332
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 7: of the run game and how multiple they can be

1333
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 7: off of everything that it builds, that is a team

1334
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,479
Speaker 7: that you know the Lions, I mean, and as banged

1335
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 7: up as they are, it's the worst possible time for

1336
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 7: the Lions defense to be facing this physical Packers' offense

1337
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 7: at the same time. I mean, like you guys said before,

1338
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 7: it's kind of a good foil game for either side.

1339
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 7: And Jared Goff, even when you rush four against him,

1340
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 7: he's not struggling like he used to, particularly inside, He's

1341
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 7: not struggling like he used to against any kind of pressure.

1342
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 7: He's been incredibly productive. Like we mentioned on quarterback Island,

1343
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 7: part of the reason he's on firmly so firmly on

1344
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 7: quarterback Island is if you just rush for like the

1345
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 7: Packers have. You know, most of the time they blitzed

1346
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 7: a lot more in the last matchup against the Lions.

1347
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Speaker 5: It wasn't super effective.

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Speaker 7: And when they drop back and rush, when they just

1349
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 7: sit and rush four like we've seen them also do

1350
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Speaker 7: with some effect against other quarterbacks this season, that's those

1351
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 7: types of things are just not working the way that

1352
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 7: they used to against Jared Goff. So you're gonna have

1353
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 7: to try to get your secondary activated the way they

1354
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,919
Speaker 7: were taking the ball away earlier this season, you're gonna

1355
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 7: have to activate your secondary.

1356
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 2: If you're Jeffley, it's yeah.

1357
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 4: And that's where some mismatches are happening for Detroit. I mean,

1358
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 4: when Detroit as the ball, there's mismatches all over the place.

1359
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 4: This could be a great game for the Pine Suwell

1360
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 4: agenda running out.

1361
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 3: I am pushing that agenda hard, my man.

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01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I had him in my MVP ladder. I

1363
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 4: put it fourth to be there. I think you can

1364
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 4: do what you want with votes, and if you want

1365
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 4: him to kind of represent this Lions offensive line, and

1366
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 4: he obviously is the best player on it by a

1367
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 4: good deal, and maybe the best at his position.

1368
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 2: You can vote that way.

1369
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Speaker 4: And so I think him against these three young safeties

1370
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 4: that they're playing, so Xavier McKinney, I guess you wouldn't

1371
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 4: call him young anymore. He's right in the middle of

1372
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 4: his prime. But what they've done with some injuries at

1373
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 4: their linebacker level and just in cornerbacks, is they're playing

1374
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 4: their two rookie safeties Bullard and Evan Williams together and

1375
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 4: Bullard's in the slot a lot. Bullard's been quiet, Javon

1376
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 4: Bullard a second round pick, but you haven't noticed them

1377
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 4: in a bad way. Evan Williams has made a lot

1378
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 4: of positive plays. So these three safeties on the field

1379
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 4: and you're running the ball against that kind of look.

1380
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 4: Quay Walker who has made some plays over the last

1381
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 4: few weeks, but drives Packers fans absolutely crazy. And I

1382
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 4: think is a weakness of their defense is their linebacker position.

1383
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 4: Maybe this is this is a Sewel and a Jamier Gibbs,

1384
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 4: because as good as David Montgomery is, and he's awesome,

1385
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 4: they have the almost the exact same amount of rushing

1386
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 4: attempts and the exact same amount of catches this year,

1387
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 4: and yet Gibbs has two hundred and fifty yards more.

1388
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 4: He's a top five yards from scriptage guy in the

1389
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 4: the entire league. And I do think this is a

1390
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 4: week where you just got to win in a shootout.

1391
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 4: You feel bad almost for the Lions that, like's so

1392
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 4: hard to get a one seed. It's so hard to

1393
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 4: win the super Bowl because after this, man, they come

1394
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 4: off that Thanksgiving game, you know, all these games in

1395
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 4: a short period of time. Then you got the Bills

1396
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 4: next week, you got the Vikings coming up, You're at

1397
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 4: San Francisco. We'll see what they look like. It's like, man,

1398
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 4: it is so hard to just get a freaking one seed.

1399
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 4: Of all the years for them to be eleven and one,

1400
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 4: this is a tough one for it.

1401
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 7: I know someone was sort of commenting on different discussions

1402
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 7: that we've had, whether at the athletic or you know,

1403
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 7: on this show, and it's like, man, it's in a

1404
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 7: historic year, right, these other teams just will not start

1405
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 7: losing games, right, and it's driving then the rest of

1406
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 7: the fan base's nuts, which is fair, but like, hey,

1407
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 7: that's great for everybody.

1408
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 4: But and they can all think that way, like Green

1409
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 4: Bay could be like Man, in a normal year, we'd

1410
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 4: be winning the division.

1411
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 2: We're in third.

1412
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 8: Play Vikings probably the Vikings have ten wins, right yeah,

1413
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 8: like the Eagles of one eight in a row.

1414
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 4: They're like, wait, we got to wait for one of

1415
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 4: these other teams to win. It is so competitive. It's

1416
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 4: an awesome conference right now.

1417
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 7: Ben Johnson, there's like a subplot within a subplot. It's

1418
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 7: not really a big deal, but it is kind of

1419
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 7: fun in it just doesn't happen often kind of way.

1420
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 7: And a little oopsie out of Detroit or Jamier Gibbs

1421
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 7: accidentally shared some photos of the Lion's plays on the whiteboard.

1422
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 7: Dan Campbell said that he wasn't concerned about it. Obviously

1423
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 7: they change calls every week. And also if you look

1424
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 7: close enough in certain reddit circles, you can find copies

1425
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 7: in every playbook in existence in these.

1426
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 3: Circles that he coaches call sheet.

1427
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,919
Speaker 7: Yeah, and and this the close ups of the call sheet.

1428
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,439
Speaker 7: And they change calls every week, they change words. Every

1429
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 7: team does this unless you are just an absolute fiasco

1430
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 7: of a team, and some are, and but teams who

1431
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 7: aren't know what they're doing. They change their calls every week.

1432
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 7: So but Ben Johnson did not mean to. Sometimes he

1433
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 7: just says things right, and he inadvertently gave the Packers

1434
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 7: like a little bulletin board material. I think if I'm

1435
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 7: just reading this quote flat and he said, have you

1436
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 7: guys thought about maybe we wanted them out there so

1437
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 7: now we know what they know? And he was joking

1438
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 7: obviously on Monday, and he said, so he's now so

1439
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 7: he's like, oh yeah, oh god, what a comp He.

1440
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 4: Said, no, if they lose this game that he's going

1441
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 4: to sue them afterwards.

1442
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, He's like, each week we try to keep guys

1443
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 7: off balance, teams off balance. We certainly don't want them

1444
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 7: to know what's coming. And then he said, look back

1445
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 7: at the first time we played the Packers this year,

1446
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 7: third and five. It was our first third down of

1447
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 7: the game. We made a check and you can see

1448
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 7: Packers defensive lineman Kenny Clark giving the signal for a

1449
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 7: check right there, which is usually universal to check for

1450
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 7: a run. Well, we ran it and we got nine yards.

1451
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 7: So his point was, even when they know what's coming,

1452
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 7: we still do the thing.

1453
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 2: That's what pell do that's what football.

1454
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 4: I don't think the Eagles are confusing anyone with their

1455
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 4: their fourth down, fourth quarter strategy.

1456
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 6: I don't think the Ravens are confusing folks and what

1457
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 6: they're doing on third and one either.

1458
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 2: Right.

1459
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 4: If the Lions can win this game and somehow get

1460
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 4: that one seed, yeah, Campbell is my coach of the year.

1461
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 4: Because here, I just want to real quick, I just

1462
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 4: want to give you. I just want to give you

1463
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 4: some guys who are playing significant snaps for the Lions

1464
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 4: in their recent history in this game. Al Kahed Muhammad

1465
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 4: used to be a nice player for the Colts, got

1466
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 4: a nice second contract for the Bears. Actually didn't have

1467
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 4: a snap in the NFL all of last year. Was

1468
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 4: not on this roster because he was on the practice

1469
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 4: squad until recently. Played significant snaps last week. Khalil Dorsey,

1470
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 4: an undrafted free agent from the Ravens back in the day,

1471
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 4: played a career high snaps last week at cornerback. Some

1472
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 4: of the linebackers that you mentioned that could be playing,

1473
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 4: Ezekiel Turner eighteen UDFA, who has never played this much

1474
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 4: in his entire career, started with the Cardinals. David Long,

1475
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 4: cut by the Dolphins, two weeks ago, and then Trevor Nuwaski,

1476
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 4: who has been an undrafted free agent with the Lions

1477
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 4: now in his second season. These guys are all out

1478
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 4: there getting significant steps being trusted. We'll see if they

1479
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 4: can make it work. Jordan love you got to make

1480
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 4: them pay as much as we just said how much

1481
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 4: we love you.

1482
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 2: He's only been averaging about.

1483
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 4: Twenty three twenty four attempts a game during this great stretch.

1484
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 4: They haven't needed him to totally ball out and dominate.

1485
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 4: They're gonna need it on Thursday Night.

1486
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 3: O qaick Dan Campbell over Tomlin.

1487
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 4: I think if they get to the end the finish line,

1488
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 4: anyone can vote the way they want. I think it's

1489
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 4: okay to consider the breadth of the coaching job that

1490
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 4: you do everything that you did, and so Tomlin gets

1491
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 4: some credit for that too, But to me, since Campbell

1492
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 4: didn't win it last year, I think he deserves it.

1493
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 7: I my pool of people who I would if I

1494
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 7: got a top five, I don't. If I got a

1495
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 7: top five, and in no particular order, I would certainly

1496
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 7: have Dan Campbell in the top there. I would also

1497
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 7: have Matt Lafleur. Think the breadth when the breadth of

1498
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 7: the last two years with such a young group and

1499
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 7: how they grew up. So this is a cool matchup

1500
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 7: between again we see it, you know, twice a year,

1501
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 7: but again between possible Coach of the Year candidates. I

1502
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 7: would have Kevin O'Connell in there, as you guys know.

1503
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 7: I would have Dan quinn in there. Still, I would

1504
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 7: have Sean McDermott in there. I would have Mike Tomlin

1505
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 7: in there. That's six but it's fine.

1506
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 5: Math is hard. As we earlier, there.

1507
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 4: We go this episode bring full circle, Jordan, all Right,

1508
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 4: that was this week's teen have preview presented by Prime Video.

1509
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 4: Be sure to check out the Green Bay Packers when

1510
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:34,719
Speaker 4: they take on the Detroit Lions this Thursday on Prime Video.

1511
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 2: I'll pick the Lions in this game. I can't pick.

1512
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 2: I can't pick.

1513
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 4: Against the line right now, but nothing would nothing would

1514
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 4: surprise me in it'd get spicy if the Packers win

1515
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 4: this one. I'm looking forward to recapping this with Jordan

1516
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 4: on Thursday night.

1517
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 7: And I'm picking the Packers because of the way they

1518
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 7: ran the ball.

1519
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 2: I could see it.

1520
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 4: I'm a little like it just feels like Lions are

1521
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 4: like America's team you just want.

1522
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 5: I want.

1523
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 7: I want the Lions to go all the way. But

1524
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 7: on this game, I am picking the Packers.

1525
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 4: That is it for today's show. Let's let's play us out.

1526
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 4: I need to get out of here.

1527
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 6: We'll be back if even plus one equals.

1528
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 2: When we're when we're struggling with basic bath. Oh my god,

1529
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 2: you know football is back. Quarterback Island was back as well.

1530
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 2: See you next time.

1531
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 5: Sorry, let me get one more sip. Sorry, so stressful

1532
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 5: as fun.