1
00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,359
Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

2
00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:11,240
Speaker 1: the Bengals Brood podcast. Uh I'm going off the rails

3
00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:16,480
Speaker 1: on a crazy train addition, as we address some recent

4
00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,400
Speaker 1: Bengals drama before looking ahead to Sunday's Battle of Ohio

5
00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,720
Speaker 1: rematch at Paul Brown's Stadium between the Bengals and the

6
00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,440
Speaker 1: four and two Cleveland Browns. Coming up, Dave Lapham joins

7
00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,320
Speaker 1: me to discuss Carlos Dunlap, Geno Atkins, AJ Greene, John Ross,

8
00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,680
Speaker 1: and the latest Bengals news. This week's one on one

9
00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,040
Speaker 1: player interview is actually a one on two conversation as

10
00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,760
Speaker 1: I speak to close pals Giovanni Bernard and c J Uzama.

11
00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,640
Speaker 1: It's CJ's first interview since tearing his achilles, so we

12
00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,880
Speaker 1: will discuss that. But we'll also talk about a fun

13
00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,520
Speaker 1: contest they're involved with and provide details for how you

14
00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,640
Speaker 1: can sign up to win, and in our Know the

15
00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,880
Speaker 1: Faux segment, we'll get the latest news of Cleveland from

16
00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,560
Speaker 1: our pal Zack Jackson, who covers the team for the Athletic.

17
00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,440
Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth podcast is presented by Bud Light. Seltzer

18
00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,600
Speaker 1: refreshed the game and Here's a quick reminder that you

19
00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,520
Speaker 1: can have the latest edition of this podcast delivered write

20
00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,680
Speaker 1: to your phone, tablet, or computer by subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher,

21
00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:24,080
Speaker 1: Google Play, Spotify, or pod Bean. It's the greatest thing

22
00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:30,640
Speaker 1: since not being harassed by political campaigns. As if the

23
00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,160
Speaker 1: NonStop attack ads on TV weren't bad enough, now I'm

24
00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,240
Speaker 1: getting several text messages a day asking for my vote.

25
00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,640
Speaker 1: I don't know how they got my phone number, but

26
00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,840
Speaker 1: I am extremely annoyed by it, and I tweeted the

27
00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:49,800
Speaker 1: following response on Wednesday. Dear political candidates, I can promise

28
00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,800
Speaker 1: you that there is not a single voter who wants

29
00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:57,080
Speaker 1: a text message from a strange number asking for our vote.

30
00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:04,720
Speaker 1: Please stop sending them. Sincerely, everybody. Based on your responses,

31
00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,840
Speaker 1: I was right when I said everybody. Now time to

32
00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,480
Speaker 1: bring in my broadcast partner, Dave Lapham lap As you know,

33
00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,040
Speaker 1: I started my broadcasting career as a minor league baseball

34
00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,160
Speaker 1: announcer after graduating from Syracuse back in the late nineteen eighties.

35
00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,520
Speaker 1: This was pre internet, and when I would travel on

36
00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,799
Speaker 1: the road with my minor league baseball team, had a

37
00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,040
Speaker 1: lot of time to kill on the road during the

38
00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,040
Speaker 1: day so I'd do my homework, I'd go for a run,

39
00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,799
Speaker 1: i might read part of a book. And every day

40
00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,480
Speaker 1: I watched The Young and the Restless. I am not

41
00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:48,000
Speaker 1: proud to admit that now that is the only soap

42
00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,200
Speaker 1: opera I have ever watched. Susan Lucci, now that's I

43
00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,840
Speaker 1: think she was on All My Children Children different soap.

44
00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,200
Speaker 1: So that's the only soap opera I have ever watched.

45
00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,080
Speaker 1: Until now, I feel like I am watching one all

46
00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,080
Speaker 1: of a sudden. With the Bengals, We've got Carlos Dunlab

47
00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,240
Speaker 1: doing live Instagram feeds to complain about his role. We

48
00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,440
Speaker 1: have people trying to read aj Green's lips when he's

49
00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,520
Speaker 1: on the bench. We have John Ross's agent asking to

50
00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,760
Speaker 1: be traded. It seems like the feel good portion of

51
00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,040
Speaker 1: the Joe Burrow era did not last very long. Yeah,

52
00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,720
Speaker 1: I just think. I mean earlier in the week, I

53
00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:34,120
Speaker 1: asked both Zach and Lou and Rumo if social media

54
00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,360
Speaker 1: was opinioned, because we never had to deal with that,

55
00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,400
Speaker 1: and I think social media it's players don't even have

56
00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,720
Speaker 1: to go through the media like Carlos did when he

57
00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,520
Speaker 1: basically connived his press conference to announce that he wasn't

58
00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:52,440
Speaker 1: starting anymore, did you go right to social media? So

59
00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,680
Speaker 1: as a head coach, it's a different ball game, it

60
00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,640
Speaker 1: is a different arena and guys right now, you know,

61
00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,840
Speaker 1: bottom line is and I know I'm old school, because

62
00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,360
Speaker 1: I'm old I understand. But instead of wasting your energy

63
00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:13,160
Speaker 1: going on social media and trying to do whatever you're doing,

64
00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,520
Speaker 1: just play, play hard, Just play, Go to the coach

65
00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,080
Speaker 1: and say where am I deficient? What do I need

66
00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,680
Speaker 1: to do better? How come I can't get snaps or

67
00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,359
Speaker 1: you know, try to get on the same page with

68
00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,640
Speaker 1: the guy and find and just improve on things you

69
00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,919
Speaker 1: need to improve on. Go out and play. And it

70
00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,720
Speaker 1: drives me nuts right now that Gino Atkins isn't in

71
00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,560
Speaker 1: the same sentence with Carlos Dunlap. I think that's irresponsible.

72
00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,640
Speaker 1: Gino Atkins is not Gino Atkins wants to play. Gino

73
00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,800
Speaker 1: Atkins had a hell of a training camp. Gino Atkins

74
00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,560
Speaker 1: was primed and ready to go, and unfortunately he got

75
00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,640
Speaker 1: hurt and he didn't want to talk about it, and

76
00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,280
Speaker 1: the coaches don't want to talk about it. So all

77
00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,600
Speaker 1: these assumptions and all these it's a bigger, bigger deal

78
00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,120
Speaker 1: than it is Why didn't he get surgery? Why didn't

79
00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,520
Speaker 1: he go on ir? Why don't he do this? Why

80
00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,360
Speaker 1: don't you do that? Well, maybe he wanted to try

81
00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,640
Speaker 1: to play, that's why he didn't have surgery. Maybe he's

82
00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,039
Speaker 1: you know, it's gone longer than he wanted it to

83
00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,040
Speaker 1: go because he didn't have surgery and he's trying to

84
00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,720
Speaker 1: rehab it. But I know one thing after watching him

85
00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,560
Speaker 1: in training camp, he wanted to play. And the problem

86
00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,280
Speaker 1: flat out with Carlos Dunlap, the reason they don't want

87
00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,159
Speaker 1: you in on defensive run snaps is you're taking the

88
00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,680
Speaker 1: easy way out. Instead of squeezing the tackle into a gap,

89
00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,960
Speaker 1: you're running up the football field and making the whole

90
00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,599
Speaker 1: naturally taking the easy way out doing things of that nature.

91
00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,240
Speaker 1: Coaches would not have a guy take a guy off

92
00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,880
Speaker 1: a football field if he's their best option. Bledsoe it

93
00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,359
Speaker 1: doesn't have one iota of the athletic ability that Carlos

94
00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,279
Speaker 1: Dunlap has. And you don't have to be a great

95
00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,960
Speaker 1: athlete to give good effort. And so that's why they're

96
00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,400
Speaker 1: playing other guys and the line of scrimmage to stop

97
00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,800
Speaker 1: run snaps and to put Geno Atkins situation in the

98
00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,080
Speaker 1: same sentence as Carlos Dunlap. Situation is ludicrous, in my

99
00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,840
Speaker 1: humble apo, ludicrous. They're totally different. So people that are

100
00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,359
Speaker 1: saying Geno Is doesn't want to play, he's you know,

101
00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,880
Speaker 1: milking it, or whatever accusations are being made, you flat

102
00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,800
Speaker 1: out say that's nonsense. The only reason he has not

103
00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,520
Speaker 1: done well so far is that he's just slow coming

104
00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,840
Speaker 1: back from a legitimate shoulder injury. Exactly exactly, he's not

105
00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,520
Speaker 1: able to go. If you I mean, I know, I've

106
00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,359
Speaker 1: had a shoulder problem and tried to play. It's a bitch.

107
00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,400
Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing tougher. And for him to try

108
00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,919
Speaker 1: to do what he does as a defensive tackle with

109
00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,960
Speaker 1: a legitimate shoulder injury, not knowing the severity. I don't

110
00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:40,960
Speaker 1: know what the severity of it is, but I remember

111
00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,160
Speaker 1: I've tried to play with a separated shoulder, and man,

112
00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,839
Speaker 1: it was. It's tough. It's tough. I mean, you're you're

113
00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, you're gritting your teeth and fighting through it

114
00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,560
Speaker 1: every single snap. And I did take a shot in

115
00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,599
Speaker 1: the shoulder. I took a shot at halftime, you know,

116
00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,520
Speaker 1: before the game and at halftime of the game. And

117
00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,640
Speaker 1: it's still. I mean that night, you know, and in bed,

118
00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,760
Speaker 1: throbbing away, not able to sleep, you thinking, man, you

119
00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,160
Speaker 1: know what do I do now? So, I mean it's

120
00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:10,160
Speaker 1: tough and uh, you know Geno Atkins. In my mind,

121
00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,840
Speaker 1: if Geno Atkins didn't want to play, did not want

122
00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,760
Speaker 1: to have a season with the Cincinnati Band, he wouldn't

123
00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,160
Speaker 1: have had the training camp he had. I mean, we

124
00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,160
Speaker 1: talked about it a few times to winch you know, man,

125
00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,840
Speaker 1: he's Gino's busting it. Gino's working. He was, he was

126
00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,600
Speaker 1: primed and ready. It's sad that he got hurt. But

127
00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,520
Speaker 1: don't put him in the same sentence as the Carlos

128
00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,120
Speaker 1: Dunlap situation. To me, that's not responsible. Gino's got two

129
00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,840
Speaker 1: years left on his deal twelve point two million next year,

130
00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,920
Speaker 1: thirteen point four five the following year. Carlos has one

131
00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,800
Speaker 1: year left eleven point two five mill. Not a big

132
00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,040
Speaker 1: dead cap situation. If they let Carlos go at the

133
00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,680
Speaker 1: end of this year, it would be a big dead

134
00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,280
Speaker 1: cap hit if they let Gino go at the end

135
00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,520
Speaker 1: of this year. Can Geno Atkins still be good enough?

136
00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,080
Speaker 1: Maybe not as good as he once was was, but

137
00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,720
Speaker 1: still good enough to be worth it at those prices.

138
00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,640
Speaker 1: Geno Atkins at the end of last year when he

139
00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,480
Speaker 1: made the Pro Bowls, that really Gino knew he didn't

140
00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,440
Speaker 1: have a great year, and he worked as off in

141
00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,160
Speaker 1: the off season and came back and had an unbelievable,

142
00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,800
Speaker 1: really strong training camp. He was ready to get after

143
00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,840
Speaker 1: it again. He made it on reputation and in his mind,

144
00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,040
Speaker 1: he knows that when he made his eighth Pro Bowl,

145
00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,440
Speaker 1: but he was ready to have another year. So I

146
00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,480
Speaker 1: do think. I mean I thought watching him in twenty nineteen,

147
00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,720
Speaker 1: I thought, teez, you know, maybe it's the end. He

148
00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,640
Speaker 1: just he didn't. There was no suddenness, no explosion. It

149
00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,600
Speaker 1: looked like the gas in the tank was, you know, draining,

150
00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:40,280
Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, he resurrected himself and and came

151
00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,640
Speaker 1: back and was ready to roll this year. So it will,

152
00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,200
Speaker 1: it will. It have to be diminished obviously for this

153
00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,800
Speaker 1: year for sure. If that shoulder is as big a

154
00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,280
Speaker 1: problem as it appears to be that he's missing the

155
00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,240
Speaker 1: number of games that he's missing or not able to

156
00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,440
Speaker 1: participate at a higher level, If he were able to

157
00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,880
Speaker 1: participate at a higher level, he'd be doing it. He

158
00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,160
Speaker 1: would be doing it. The coaches would you know the

159
00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,679
Speaker 1: coaches would say, I'll guarantee you that they're probably medical people,

160
00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,080
Speaker 1: and coach are telling the coaches to not overdo it

161
00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,960
Speaker 1: with them. He's not telling the coaches to not overdo

162
00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,400
Speaker 1: it with them. In my opinion, that's the way. That's

163
00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,680
Speaker 1: the way it is. A couple of weeks ago, things

164
00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,920
Speaker 1: didn't look good for AJ Green. He had a hamstring

165
00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,320
Speaker 1: injury and spent the second half on the bench. He

166
00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,160
Speaker 1: admittedly loafed after a pass thrown for him was intercepted,

167
00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,160
Speaker 1: and according to the lip readers out there, he was

168
00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,200
Speaker 1: on the bench asking for a trade. He denied it.

169
00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,080
Speaker 1: We'll never know if that's what he was saying, but

170
00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,920
Speaker 1: in any case, this past week AJ was terrific. He

171
00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,960
Speaker 1: was targeted eleven times. He had eight catches just under

172
00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,080
Speaker 1: one hundred yards, and those catches came in huge situation

173
00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,679
Speaker 1: second and long, third and long, fourth and long. AJ

174
00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,320
Speaker 1: was the go to guy for Joe Burrow. Here are

175
00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,320
Speaker 1: a couple of his fellow wide receivers T Higgins and

176
00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,760
Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd on AJ's first big game in a couple

177
00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,120
Speaker 1: of years, seeing him get his confidence back, having him,

178
00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,439
Speaker 1: you know, have a good game like that, is um

179
00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,880
Speaker 1: really good for him and his confidence, you know, just

180
00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,160
Speaker 1: to get him rolling, and you know the offense is

181
00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,520
Speaker 1: gonna be rolling now. I knew his game was gonna

182
00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,560
Speaker 1: come and and all it took was one game, you know,

183
00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,480
Speaker 1: and I felt he played good at the beginning the

184
00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,680
Speaker 1: first game, second game. You know, his number just wasn't

185
00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,320
Speaker 1: Aj Green numbers. You know, sometimes uh you won't have

186
00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,640
Speaker 1: them big games like everybody used to see him do.

187
00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,920
Speaker 1: That's why a lot of people criticize his performance, you know,

188
00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,080
Speaker 1: but I felt that he always played great. You know,

189
00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,880
Speaker 1: it stayed detailed and he did we had to do

190
00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,839
Speaker 1: to keep the change rolling. Whenever his name is called,

191
00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,120
Speaker 1: then you know he's gonna make that play. And then

192
00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,640
Speaker 1: now he's starting to rally up. And now the offense

193
00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,880
Speaker 1: is it looked like it just looked like an overall

194
00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,960
Speaker 1: great offense when you see all three of us out

195
00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,400
Speaker 1: there dominant, and that's the offense everybody wanted to see.

196
00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,840
Speaker 1: But I don't think uh Aj was held back or

197
00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,200
Speaker 1: it was was anything wrong with him. I just felt

198
00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,120
Speaker 1: like it's just just the game just had to come

199
00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,440
Speaker 1: to him. As great as Aj Green is having time

200
00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,240
Speaker 1: pro bowler, certainly one of the top three wide receivers

201
00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,240
Speaker 1: in Bengals history, along with Chad Johnson and Isaac Curtis.

202
00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:11,680
Speaker 1: He's human. He needed a performance like that desperately he did.

203
00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,640
Speaker 1: And actually to see him smile during the course of

204
00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,160
Speaker 1: that game was huge because he kind of admitted he

205
00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,280
Speaker 1: was in his own head and he got out of

206
00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,480
Speaker 1: his own head and he just said, I got to

207
00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,160
Speaker 1: start having fun again. And if you play this game

208
00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,000
Speaker 1: making quote business decisions where you're playing not to get hurt,

209
00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna get hurt. You're gonna get hurt. And that's

210
00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,160
Speaker 1: on that play, the interception where he said, you know,

211
00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,679
Speaker 1: he loathed what he did. He saw the interception and

212
00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,680
Speaker 1: he started looking around, like who's going to hit me?

213
00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,559
Speaker 1: And then just went, you know, north and stous instead

214
00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:42,839
Speaker 1: of Easton was to put a hit on the guy

215
00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,920
Speaker 1: and went north and south to make sure that he

216
00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,640
Speaker 1: cleared all the all the potential damage of the play.

217
00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,520
Speaker 1: And that that's uncharacteristic and totally foreign to what aj

218
00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,000
Speaker 1: Green's all about. The guys on the Mount rushmore of

219
00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,160
Speaker 1: great players in franchise history and deserves to be there.

220
00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,040
Speaker 1: And I'm just glad that at two things, I was

221
00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,839
Speaker 1: impressed that he called himself out and then after doing that,

222
00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,000
Speaker 1: he went out and played and played great. So I

223
00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,600
Speaker 1: think I think there was a Catharsis moment there when

224
00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,240
Speaker 1: it happened during the game and when his reaction was

225
00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,560
Speaker 1: silent obviously on the on the bench, and I'm sure

226
00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,360
Speaker 1: his wife, his dad is, you know, his mom's dad.

227
00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,080
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, what are you doing? It's not you, And

228
00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,240
Speaker 1: he thought about it and it's not me. And then

229
00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,920
Speaker 1: he had the Wednesday press pressor on zoom where that's

230
00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,600
Speaker 1: not me, and I got to start doing things differently

231
00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,400
Speaker 1: and play the way I can play. And he went

232
00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,960
Speaker 1: out and did it. So hats off to AJ Green

233
00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:41,440
Speaker 1: on characteristic mistake made restitution for it. I wish other guys.

234
00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,520
Speaker 1: I wish Employee ninety six would have a Catharsis pressor

235
00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,600
Speaker 1: and say, you know what I have been, Uh, I

236
00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,640
Speaker 1: can give better effort than I've given. I'm going to

237
00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,200
Speaker 1: go out and do it. And then he's had some Catharsis.

238
00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,120
Speaker 1: He just hasn't said that. No, not that type of

239
00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,960
Speaker 1: not the right Catharsis that I'm looking for. But yeah,

240
00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,400
Speaker 1: I mean, um, it was. It was really good to

241
00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,520
Speaker 1: see to see AJ involved in like you has said

242
00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,560
Speaker 1: on your question when we were talking to Zach that

243
00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,480
Speaker 1: his catchers were you know, are Joe. His catchers were second, third,

244
00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,360
Speaker 1: and long fourth down. Had to have had keep a game,

245
00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,439
Speaker 1: you know, a possibility of winning a football game alive.

246
00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,000
Speaker 1: And he stepped up and made big plays in big moments.

247
00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,520
Speaker 1: That's AJ, I'll tell you something outside liked. So he

248
00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,280
Speaker 1: comes on the zoom after the game to talk to reporters.

249
00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,240
Speaker 1: Eight catches, ninety six yards, kind of a feel good

250
00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,640
Speaker 1: moment despite the loss. His response to the first question,

251
00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,840
Speaker 1: I should have played the deep ball better. Could have

252
00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,240
Speaker 1: been a forty four yard touchdown pass. He tried to

253
00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,800
Speaker 1: show late hands. That's become the big topic this year,

254
00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,600
Speaker 1: instead of going up trying to go over the guy,

255
00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,439
Speaker 1: maybe draw pass interference. So that's the AJ that we're

256
00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,400
Speaker 1: accustomed to. That is and that's interesting because on bengalstein

257
00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,520
Speaker 1: Way had Bob mcnell on as a guest, and Bob

258
00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,400
Speaker 1: mcnell on that play said, you know, he did try

259
00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,360
Speaker 1: to do the late hands thing instead of going up

260
00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,640
Speaker 1: to to you know, to aggressively attacked the football. He said,

261
00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,160
Speaker 1: the reason I thought when I saw it, and it

262
00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,160
Speaker 1: was confirmed on tape that he decided not to do that.

263
00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,000
Speaker 1: He was really close to the sideline, So if you

264
00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,120
Speaker 1: go airborne, now you've lost control where you are on

265
00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,840
Speaker 1: the field and staying on the ground. He felt like

266
00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,320
Speaker 1: he had better control being so tight to the sideline,

267
00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,240
Speaker 1: and he said, I really I'm not going to grade

268
00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,760
Speaker 1: him down from not going airborne because of where he

269
00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,200
Speaker 1: was real estate wives on the football field. So I

270
00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,760
Speaker 1: thought that was pretty interesting. But again AJ's first reaction, okay,

271
00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,360
Speaker 1: I was okay, but I'm still gonna be self deprecating.

272
00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna say, hey, I can be better. I

273
00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,120
Speaker 1: love that. Love it. With Odd and Tate out last

274
00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,080
Speaker 1: week with a sore's shoulder, John Ross was active. He

275
00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,400
Speaker 1: was in for one snap on offense. It was a

276
00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:47,120
Speaker 1: running play, so for the season his contribution remains minimal.

277
00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,920
Speaker 1: Two catches for seventeen yards. They both came in the

278
00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,880
Speaker 1: season opener against the LA Chargers, and now word comes

279
00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,960
Speaker 1: that his agent has requested a trade. John is in

280
00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,520
Speaker 1: the final year of his contract after being ninth pick

281
00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,080
Speaker 1: in the draft. Here is his friend and teammate, Tyler

282
00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,480
Speaker 1: Boyd and what John Ross is going through. I mean,

283
00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,200
Speaker 1: it's tough, you know, I've been in that situation before,

284
00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:11,920
Speaker 1: and I know how it is. You know. What I

285
00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,200
Speaker 1: told him is just just just to be him, you know,

286
00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,120
Speaker 1: don't let nobody uh categorize you and tell you what

287
00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,200
Speaker 1: you are and what you are not. So I mean

288
00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,720
Speaker 1: for for for him, you know, just just just just

289
00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,640
Speaker 1: to stay ready, you know, no matter what, you know,

290
00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,320
Speaker 1: if you feel like we're not going to use you

291
00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,200
Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be, at the end of

292
00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:31,840
Speaker 1: the day, you see a football player, you know, that's

293
00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,200
Speaker 1: never that's not going to change regardless, you know. And

294
00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,040
Speaker 1: and and one of these weeks, I feel like it's

295
00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,760
Speaker 1: gonna be a week for John, just like I've said

296
00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,720
Speaker 1: for for AJ. You know, you never know what can

297
00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,640
Speaker 1: happen in the receiver room, you know. So I just

298
00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,960
Speaker 1: feel like he's been doing pretty good, you know. I don't.

299
00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,680
Speaker 1: I just just don't want him to start putting his

300
00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,640
Speaker 1: head down. But I haven't seen it, so I think

301
00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,360
Speaker 1: he's he's good so far. So his agent has requested

302
00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,680
Speaker 1: the trade. Should the Bengals trade John Ross, I don't

303
00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,160
Speaker 1: know what the market would be. Honestly, it's like he

304
00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,720
Speaker 1: was the ninth pick the draft. I don't know what

305
00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,840
Speaker 1: they could get. If they try to trade him, and

306
00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,640
Speaker 1: I think teams are gonna they're gonna they're not gonna

307
00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,240
Speaker 1: re up them. I mean, they know they're gonna let

308
00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,800
Speaker 1: them go. So I'm not sure anybody would offer anything.

309
00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of trade value there would

310
00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,080
Speaker 1: be right at this point in time for John Ross.

311
00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,720
Speaker 1: That's that's a big, big issue. It's not going to

312
00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,720
Speaker 1: be high. I mean, people would be silly to think

313
00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,160
Speaker 1: they would get a high draft pick, but I personally

314
00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,600
Speaker 1: think that somebody would give up a late pick just

315
00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,080
Speaker 1: to roll the dice on that speed, particularly if you're

316
00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,000
Speaker 1: not one of the first five or six to have

317
00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,280
Speaker 1: a shot at him. Well, actually he'll be a free agent,

318
00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,240
Speaker 1: so everybody can bid. But if you want to say, okay,

319
00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,280
Speaker 1: let me try to get him and see if I

320
00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,480
Speaker 1: can get him signed for less market value. Then if

321
00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,120
Speaker 1: he goes out there and if there is if there's

322
00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,760
Speaker 1: more than one person that wants him, his market value

323
00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,680
Speaker 1: is a little bit better if you can get him

324
00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,160
Speaker 1: in a trade and say to him, look, you know,

325
00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,640
Speaker 1: we'll only do this to his agent. We'll only do

326
00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,440
Speaker 1: this if we can extend the contract. We'll make the trade,

327
00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,200
Speaker 1: but we don't want to have him be a free

328
00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,359
Speaker 1: agent as soon as you know, he finishes the season

329
00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,199
Speaker 1: with us, let's get let's get a deal done. Now

330
00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,360
Speaker 1: the agent has to decide, what the hell do I do? Now,

331
00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,920
Speaker 1: you know, I don't see that happening. I mean, it's

332
00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,720
Speaker 1: to me, I don't know why I would trade for

333
00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,880
Speaker 1: a guy, though, with ten games left in the season,

334
00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,119
Speaker 1: who has shown that you know, he's he's spotty at

335
00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,280
Speaker 1: best with hands. But you said many times and I

336
00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:31,840
Speaker 1: can agree with you reverses Ali screens. There's got to

337
00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,879
Speaker 1: be a package. Somebody is probably sitting out there saying,

338
00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,560
Speaker 1: I'll take him and put together this little package and

339
00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,439
Speaker 1: compliment what I've got from my receiver group, particularly a

340
00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,480
Speaker 1: team that's struggling at the receiver position and has an

341
00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,800
Speaker 1: offense like the Baltimore Riggans. And now they never trade

342
00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,480
Speaker 1: him in the division obviously, But the New England Patriots,

343
00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, are a team that they're saying. The Green

344
00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,200
Speaker 1: Bay Packers supposedly have an interest in John Ross, and

345
00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, I could see them creating a package with

346
00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,960
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers for John potentially. So I guess it's

347
00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's not out of the realm of possibility,

348
00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,800
Speaker 1: although I would deem it highly unlikely. I'm not sure

349
00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,159
Speaker 1: that Mike Brown would pull the trigger on a trade.

350
00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,040
Speaker 1: And then people will say, well, why wouldn't you if

351
00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,480
Speaker 1: he's not part of your future, why not get anything?

352
00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,680
Speaker 1: Assuming that somebody would flip you a late pick just

353
00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,280
Speaker 1: because they're seduced by the speed, I guess the argument

354
00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,640
Speaker 1: against would be, well, so then what happens when Aj

355
00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,560
Speaker 1: Green pulls Hampshire? Yeah, Aj gets hurt or God forbid,

356
00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,159
Speaker 1: another of your top receivers gets hurt. You want to

357
00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,800
Speaker 1: have that guy available. I guess that's the argument against that.

358
00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,480
Speaker 1: That's the obvious argument against, no question about it. And

359
00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,160
Speaker 1: you know the way they get hit by injury at positions,

360
00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:46,760
Speaker 1: and it spreads like a virus. You know, allowed defensive

361
00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,840
Speaker 1: tackle this year or left tackle last year. Man you

362
00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,080
Speaker 1: just never know. I would say that that is certainly

363
00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,000
Speaker 1: a case where you should be talking to every team

364
00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,000
Speaker 1: just to find out what the market would bear. I agree,

365
00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,800
Speaker 1: there's no sense, there's no harm. I should say in

366
00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:07,000
Speaker 1: doing research, there's no harm whatsoever and seeing what the

367
00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,680
Speaker 1: market will give. Let's face it, if you look back

368
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,880
Speaker 1: at the Bengals one four and one start, they could

369
00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,440
Speaker 1: have been perhaps should have been four and two, could

370
00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,159
Speaker 1: have have the Chargers game in Week one, shouldn't have

371
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,840
Speaker 1: lost or shouldn't have tied against the Eagles in their

372
00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,440
Speaker 1: first road game of the year, and then last week

373
00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,680
Speaker 1: up by twenty one early in the second quarter. That's

374
00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,120
Speaker 1: a game you can't let get away. Unfortunately they did.

375
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,240
Speaker 1: Here's veteran Josh Bines on that one four and one start.

376
00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,280
Speaker 1: We definitely should be, definitely, for sure be a four

377
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,560
Speaker 1: and two team right now. You'll take the bow whip

378
00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,639
Speaker 1: in the Ravens and the Cleveland of course as a

379
00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,760
Speaker 1: learning lesson, But we just gotta learn how to finish

380
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,200
Speaker 1: these games, and then the conversation is different that we're

381
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,760
Speaker 1: having right now, and right now it just it just sucks,

382
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,240
Speaker 1: you know, because I feel like we're a better team

383
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,520
Speaker 1: than that. It just didn't make them one play or

384
00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,160
Speaker 1: two players. We've needed important to come down to stretch

385
00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:00,880
Speaker 1: to win the game, and that's what we haven't done

386
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,480
Speaker 1: this season. I haven't learned how to finish in all phases,

387
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,840
Speaker 1: and I just, you know, it just sucks to know

388
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,639
Speaker 1: that we're that close, really to be in such a

389
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 1: great team and just to fall short and the record

390
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 1: says otherwise, and actually, you know, than what we know

391
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 1: we capable of. I don't know that the Bengals are

392
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 1: that close to being a great team, as Josh Bunes

393
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,959
Speaker 1: just said, but they are that close to being a

394
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 1: middle of the pack team as opposed to a one,

395
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 1: four and one team. I agree. And if those had

396
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,479
Speaker 1: gone that way, the entire AFC North would be four

397
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 1: and two were better, and the Bengals and Browns would

398
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,680
Speaker 1: be planned to be five and two potentially. I mean,

399
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,360
Speaker 1: think about that. I mean, the AFC North could have

400
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:47,439
Speaker 1: potentially been the most top to bottom, the strongest division

401
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:52,359
Speaker 1: in football by far, say four four plays, and it's

402
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 1: not just you know, like the press conference this morning,

403
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,919
Speaker 1: it was asked to Zach, what are the four plays?

404
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,479
Speaker 1: It's not a specific play in any game, there's a myriad.

405
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 1: There's maybe fifteen plays. If any one of fifteen plays

406
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 1: goes differently, the ultimate score is totally different. And you

407
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: know it is. It's it's ten to fifteen plays in

408
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 1: every one of those games that we're talking about, you know,

409
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 1: the tie in overtime, the loss to the Chargers at

410
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 1: the conclusion, I mean the obvious one. You know, we

411
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:27,880
Speaker 1: hit the field goal from thirty one yards, interferences interference

412
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 1: or it should have been um, you know, offsetting penalties

413
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 1: and replay the down, you know, I mean, there's and

414
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 1: and that's just the two the two biggest at the

415
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: end of the football game, during the course of the game.

416
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: That's why when I would lose close football games as

417
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 1: part of a team, man, I think, you know, okay,

418
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 1: sixty five snaps, how many had how many? How many

419
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: of them if I did something differently? How many times

420
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 1: did I influence a play that could have gone much

421
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: better that didn't, that might have determined the game? And

422
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 1: you can come up with a ton of them, a

423
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 1: ton of them if you're honest with yourself. And that's

424
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 1: what you have to do as a you know, as

425
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 1: a member of a team that's struggling, What can I

426
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 1: do to make it better? How do I change the

427
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: outcome of these football games? If everybody takes that approach,

428
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,479
Speaker 1: it's not selfish. It's like, now, all of a sudden,

429
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 1: you have the entire team elevating a level of play

430
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 1: to be better, to be better and going to win

431
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 1: more football games. That's the bottom line. The Bengals Booth

432
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: podcast is presented by Bud Light Seltzer. It's light and

433
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 1: refreshing with a hint of fruit flavor. We've got a

434
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: rematch coming up on Sunday as the Bengals host the Browns,

435
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 1: a team they lost to on Thursday Night Football in

436
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: Week two, thirty five to thirty. It was an eventful

437
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: night for c j Uzama. In the second quarter, he

438
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: was on the receiving end of Joe burrows first NFL

439
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: touchdown pass, but in the fourth quarter he suffered a

440
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 1: season ending achilles injury. Recently, I had the opportunity to

441
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: talk to cj his first interviews and suffering the injury,

442
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: and the conversation also included his close pal Giovanni Bernard,

443
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: because the two of them are getting together for a

444
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: fun sweepstakes that you could win. They have been teammates

445
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: for six years in Cincinnati. They have become great friends

446
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 1: during that time period. Two guys who are better together

447
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: running back Giovanni Bernard and tight end cj Uzama, and

448
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 1: they are involved in a really fun idea in association

449
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: with Fifth Third Bank that we will get to in

450
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: just a moment. But CJ, we obviously have to start

451
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: with you and your injury. You were off to a

452
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: great start when you tour your achilles in week two.

453
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: How are you doing physically and emotionally? I'm doing well.

454
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: I've had a great support system with me, and my

455
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 1: parents have come and helped me out. My friends, my

456
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: teammates have been lifting me up, checking up, checking in

457
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: with me, just making sure I'm fine. So yeah, obviously

458
00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm upset because I want to help him as much

459
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: as I can. But yeah, you know, I'm looking forward

460
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 1: to coming back stronger next year, and right now just

461
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: kind of being a leader and a voice in the

462
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: locker room still and then going into meetings and helping

463
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: out where I can. Jil, I assume you are one

464
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: of the guys who has been checking in. How is

465
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: he missed? On and off the field? Overall, he's a demeanor.

466
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: Just having him around the locker room, having him from

467
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: the huddle always brings a you know, a character, a

468
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: happy guy. No matter what's going on in the field,

469
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna, you know, have that smile on his face

470
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: and just be out there and just you know, trying

471
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: to support his teammates. And um, he's continuing to do that. Yeah,

472
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: not that many people, you know, not that many guys,

473
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: you know, if they get hurt for the entire or

474
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: they're out for the entire year, or showing up the meeting.

475
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: So that's one way that CJ's definitely stayed in it. UM.

476
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 1: I know for me when I tore my IC, I

477
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: was not in any type of meeting. UM. I know

478
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: I was just going, you know, to the rehab room

479
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: and that was about it. UM. So big ups to

480
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: CJ for that, just being in the meetings and obviously

481
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: keeping that role, keeping that that figure there all the time. Well, Geo,

482
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 1: you referenced the ACL. You tore your ACL twice once

483
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: in college, once in the NFL. What advice do you

484
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: have for CJ about attacking rehab. Well, I think it's

485
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: one advice they can give to me, was I should

486
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: have been in the meetings. But I think the biggest

487
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: thing is really is just staying in it. And he's

488
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: done a really good job of that obviously, just by

489
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: obviously going to the meetings, by coming into the building.

490
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: And I just continue to be himself no matter what,

491
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: whether you know football is there or not, He's going

492
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: to be that same guy each and every single day.

493
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: Before your injury, CJ you were on the receiving end

494
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: of Joe Burrow's first NFL touchdown pass. I want to

495
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: ask you about the celebration. Was that inspired by Gladiator?

496
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: Was that a soccer celebration? What exactly was that arms

497
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: upraised maneuver of yours? Yeah, I'm not gonna lie to you.

498
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: I have absolutely no idea. And then the crowds are booing.

499
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: So then I kept my hands up obviously, and I

500
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, yeah, I'm just gonna keep doing this.

501
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: It seems appropriate. Yeah. I don't know, honestly, I don't

502
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: know where that came from. I was just spur of

503
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: the moment. Yeah, are you not entertained? That's what it was. Yeah,

504
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: I'll say that. I'll say that for now. I mean

505
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: I'll say that for sure now because it does make sense.

506
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Fifth third Bank Family Game Night Sweepstakes.

507
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: I wish I was eligible, because one lucky family is

508
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: going to win the opportunity to spend an evening playing

509
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: family friendly games from the comfort of their home with

510
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: the two of you guys through a video hook up,

511
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: and Fifth Third Bank is also going to deliver a

512
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: delicious dinner to the lucky family. What types of games.

513
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: Are you guys up for CJ. Let's start with you.

514
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: I'm up for anything. Um. You know, I'm you know,

515
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: right now, I'm a little uh, you know, impaired, so

516
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: I will have a little more time to prepare for this. Um.

517
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: And I'm looking forward to beating Geo again at everything.

518
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: You know, there's only one person that does well in

519
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: his family and games, and it's his wife. Um, She's

520
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: the real winner in that family. So I'm ready to

521
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: beat Geo and anything. Um. No, I'm looking forward to it.

522
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: I do enjoy games. I've grown up playing games with

523
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: my family, card game, board games doesn't really matter. M

524
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: pretty competitive, so it's another thing I can beat Gero

525
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: and how about Jo. Yeah, I think it's just gonna

526
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: be a competitive night. Um. I don't think everything is

527
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: gonna be about beating CJ. In my opinion, I think

528
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: that's kind of where my mind's gonna be at. Um.

529
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: But obviously it's gonna be a fun time. Obviously, a

530
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: way for us to interact with our fans. I think

531
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing with kind of uh, kind of

532
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: what's going on in the world right now. It's an

533
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: opportunity for us to really engage with our fans and

534
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: just to have a good night, especially with you know,

535
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: just all the things that are going on. Um, it

536
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: just gives us a chance to you know, meet new

537
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: people and just to really take their minds off of

538
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: you know what, you know, what the world is going

539
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: through right now. So it'll be fun. I'm excited about it.

540
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm obviously excited to you know, play games. It's kind

541
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: of been a thing for me, uh, me and CJ obviously,

542
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: just to be able to play games. I know where

543
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: they call of duty people, Um, but I don't know

544
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: if that's a family, family type of game. But um,

545
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: I think we'll just have fun with whatever they put

546
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: in front of us. You should you should ask you

547
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: should ask you who won the last game that we played? Hey, geo,

548
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: who won the last game that you two guys played?

549
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: And so we had to stop the game. But who won?

550
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: That's a whole other story. But who you didn't win? Bro,

551
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? No, no, no no, no, it

552
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: doesn't count. We there was something that happened outside that

553
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: we had to take care of the dog. And no,

554
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: we're not going into this story. See game two guys

555
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: are obviously going to be very competitive with each other.

556
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: But let's say the winning family has a couple of

557
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: young kids and you're playing family games with them. Will

558
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: you be humble in victory and gracious in defeat or

559
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: are you going to go at it with these families

560
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: regardless of how young and innocent the children are. There's

561
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: no such thing as being okay with losing. So I

562
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: don't think there would be happy moments whatsoever or if

563
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: we lose. So who's ever going to be in this

564
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: contest with us? We're definitely gonna hopefully not be as

565
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: sort of losers, but we'll have a good time. It'll

566
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: be fun. I'm excited about it. I think I think

567
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: it depends on the age. You know, if they're if

568
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: they're super young, I'm just gonna be like, hey, good

569
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: job man. You know, if they're if they're fifth grade

570
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: and above, maybe second grade, because I don't know, it

571
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: just depends. It depends. I'll feel I'll fill off the

572
00:29:54,360 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: crowd um. But yeah, no, Mercy exactly exactly going to

573
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: lose this one. This fifth Third Bank Virtual Family Game

574
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: Night is obviously going to be a thrill for the

575
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: Lucky family. But you touched on this GEO. It will

576
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: be fun for you guys to interact with fans again.

577
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: How much have you missed having big crowds at your games?

578
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: For sure? Um, well, we obviously had a little bit

579
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: of the crowd. Our second game was Yeah, it was

580
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: the second game. Yeah, the second game here and obviously

581
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio, just passing another one where

582
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: we will allow a little bit more fans. So um,

583
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: obviously it's it's instant advantage to have fans, especially right now.

584
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: But you know, the biggest thing is, you know, we

585
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: want to be able to to just accommodate and just

586
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: have fun and let those fans see, you know, kind

587
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: of what we've been working out. Obviously, this hasn't really

588
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: been the season now we wanted, but we can obviously

589
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: turn it around and having the fans there, having the

590
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: fans be able to experience that with us is obviously

591
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: something that we miss and uh, this is obviously just

592
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: an opportunity for the fans to get to see us,

593
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, off the field and just to be able

594
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: to be with us. Um. So yeah, it'll be exciting.

595
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: I think the main thing is I keep even now,

596
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: I keep getting tweets and mentions of Man, I just

597
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: wish we could go to the to the games and

598
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: things of that nature. So I think especially with our fans,

599
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: and you know what, you know, they believe in what

600
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: we believe in. You know, we believe that. Um, we're

601
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: we're on the up and up right now, and they

602
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: believe in us in that. So you know, like Joe said,

603
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: it's it's a huge factor, you know, having our fans there. Um,

604
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: having people you know, hit me up saying, hey, man,

605
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: I'll sneak into your bag and you know, go into

606
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: the stands just to heck with the other team type stuff.

607
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,479
Speaker 1: It's it's awesome. So, um, you know, I'm with Geo. It's, um,

608
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: it's a huge blow to not have fans, and it's

609
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 1: it's tough to to not see our our our orangine

610
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: black up there just cheering for us. All right. It

611
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: is the fifth Third Bank Family Game Night Sweepstakes. To enter,

612
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: go to the fifth Third Bank website five three dot

613
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: com slash bangals. Be sure to enter by November fifth

614
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: for your chance to win. And you guys are going

615
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: to promote this on social media as well. Correct, Yeah,

616
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: we'll be blasting out some stuff just let you know,

617
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: both both my fans and CJ's fans to know, you know,

618
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: really where they can go to enter and just you

619
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,239
Speaker 1: be a part of this. I think it's just an

620
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: opportunity for us to just really engage, and it's obviously

621
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: a relief for us to to kind of get away

622
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: from all the football stuff and to just really have

623
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: a good time. I'm going to try to get included

624
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: into the video hookup so I can witness this. I

625
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: don't know if that'll be allowed or not, but it

626
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: should be a great night for the Lucky family. GEO,

627
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: best of luck the rest of the year. Cej On

628
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: behalf of all Bengals fans. We wish you a full

629
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: and speedy recovery and enjoy the camaraderie even though you

630
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: won't be able to participate for the rest of this year.

631
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: I appreciate the Thank you, Dan appreciate it. Man once

632
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: again to sign up for your chance to spend an

633
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: evening playing family friendly games with GEO and CJ from

634
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: the comfort of your home, go to five three dot

635
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: com slash Bengals and be sure to enter by November fifth.

636
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: Now time for our know the Faux segment. The Cleveland

637
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: Browns are four and two under new head coach Kevin Stefanski.

638
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: Their wins are against Cincinnati, Washington, Dallas, and Indianapolis. Their

639
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: two losses are the AFC North foes Baltimore and Pittsburgh.

640
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: They lost to the Ravens thirty eight to six. The

641
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh game was closer, that was thirty eight to seven.

642
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: Zach Jackson covers the Browns for The Athletic and he

643
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: joined lapping me on the Bengals Game Plan show. Zach,

644
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: we have seen this Baker Mayfield guy now five times

645
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: in person, and for the most part, he's been really impressive.

646
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: But then I read your stories and I listen to

647
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: your podcast and there's this other Baker Mayfield guy who

648
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: isn't good. Tell me about that guy. Yeah, the Bengals

649
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: have boosted Baker Mayfield stats. You know, guys. The one

650
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: I remember would be late in the two thy eighteen

651
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: season down in Cincinnati when the Browns just looked like

652
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: they had turned the corner. Remember that game was over

653
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: in about two possessions and they just did everything that

654
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 1: they wanted to. It's been inconsistent, you know, and organizationally,

655
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 1: they haven't done him any favors without with all the change,

656
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: and you know, we know how last year turned out,

657
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: because really this is what three times in seven games

658
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: these teams have played, because they played the season finale

659
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: last year. But he has struggled. Accuracy was his calling

660
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: cards and again he's kind of lost it. The simple

661
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: throws has not been easy, and as you guys know

662
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: that that makes everything more complicated. And as I look

663
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: at this week, you know, the Browns just really ran

664
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: it all over. They did throw it early, but they

665
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: really ran it all over the Bengals in the first meeting,

666
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: and Nick chubbs on the shelf and Wyatt tell her

667
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: the right guard who had been a revelation is on

668
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: the shelf. So they're gonna need Baker Mayfield. Maybe seeing

669
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: those helmets will bring out the best in him. But

670
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, the Browns had a bunch of momentum and

671
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: it all came crashing down last week. So we're going

672
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: to see how they pick up the pieces. And I

673
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: certainly think anybody who's watching with any interest at all

674
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: in the Browns is watching the quarterback first. Yeah, watching

675
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: the quarterback first, and then a guy that's going to

676
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: catch everybody's attention, as Miles Garrett because it doesn't matter

677
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: who he's playing against, he seems to be, you know,

678
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: affected in the game in some way, shape or form.

679
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: And when I look at that relationship, it's an interesting

680
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: one because he had the obviously the meltdown issue against

681
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: the Steelers, and the organization stayed right behind him and

682
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: they said, you know, he's our guy, We're going to

683
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: give him a big contract. I think that if I'm

684
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: if I'm Miles Garrett, it's like, you know what, this

685
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: Cleveland Brown organization, now I'm gonna play. I'm gonna play

686
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: my tail off for these guys. They stood behind me,

687
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: they give me a ton of money. It seems to

688
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: be a two way street relationship. What's it like? Do

689
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: you think? Yeah, it's it's full trust in Miles. You

690
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: know last year lap On that Thursday night, it was

691
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: not only stunning that it happened, it was super stunning

692
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: that it was Miles because there's just nothing in his background, temperament,

693
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: anything to indicate that. But what you guys saw from

694
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: him four or five weeks ago set him on his

695
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: hair where he did that four games in a row,

696
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: he made at least one game changing play, and I

697
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: think it's just consistency. You know, what was the next

698
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: step for him, just getting comfortable being healthy, playing a

699
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: full season. You know, without that last year, he's going

700
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: to get to sixteen eighteen twenty sacks. Well he has

701
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: to sit this year. He's getting there, and you know,

702
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: they're playing him on both sides. He's really coming in

703
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: and he's intentionally going for the ball, and especially against

704
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: a young quarterback, and he's done it to some other guys,

705
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: not just what he did to Joe Burrow. You know,

706
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: he's getting the ball and he's changing the game that way.

707
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, he is a super super talented guy who

708
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: the Browns have faith in and will continue to have

709
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: faith in, and right now with the holes on their defense,

710
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: it's not just faith, it's trust that he will make

711
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: that kind of play every single week. Zach, Let's talk

712
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: about those holes. Because they gave up thirty to Cincinnati,

713
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: they gave up thirty eight to Baltimore, thirty eight to Dallas,

714
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: thirty eight to Pittsburgh. Some of those points came on

715
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: the defensive scores by the opposition. But where are they

716
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: weak on defense? You know, the back seven personnel wise,

717
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: isn't isn't what you want, um, You know, they they

718
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: they had some corners, their third corner, fourth corner, guys

719
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: like that in and out of the lineup, and the

720
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: linebacking corps has just it hasn't been there. Mac Wilson

721
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: played a lot last year and he was injured. This

722
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: year has not been the same guy. They had another

723
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: second year linebacker, Sioni Taki Taki. They're cutting on him

724
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: a third round pick. He has not really been a

725
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: starting quality player. So, um, Denzel Ward is a Pro

726
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: Bowl player and as long as he stays healthy, he's

727
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: going to get a big contract and he's going to

728
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: continue to rise in this league. But other than that,

729
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: through injuries, through performance, through you know, multiple coaching changes.

730
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: Last year they were they played five safeties last year, guys,

731
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: only one of them is even still on the roster.

732
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: It's just been a whole bunch of change, and you know,

733
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: the results have been not really catching on. They have

734
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: played better the last couple of weeks defensively, but they

735
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: have not been outstanding. So let's talk about that. That

736
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: offensive line you mentioned briefly. Teller obviously with the injury,

737
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, Treder was kind of banged up with

738
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: the knee when the Bengals played the first time. But

739
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: you know, he played and played fine. And Willis, I

740
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: mean Will's honestly that offensive line when I saw it

741
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: against the Bengals, I'm thinking, man, pretty good group. I

742
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: really think when when all hands on deck, when it's intact,

743
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of like close to the top five in

744
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: the league. Am I crazy? I don't think you're crazy

745
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: at all out and I think they invested with that intent.

746
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: You know, through all the change here, this is a

747
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: third different group that has entrusted JC Treder. Patonio has

748
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: been around since twenty fourteen. I mean he's been in

749
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: the last two Pro Bowls and easily could have been

750
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: in the last four or five. Wills Is the number

751
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: ten pick in the draft, called them thirty million dollars guaranteed.

752
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a good group and they did. They

753
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: have missed Wyatteller. I don't think he's going to play

754
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: on Sunday, and that is a huge loss. And frankly,

755
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: that's where the Bengals got blown up last time, right

756
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: in the middle, and that is their ticket this Sunday.

757
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: They have got to get the front, get to Kareem

758
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: Hunt and get pressure on Baker Mayfield before they get going,

759
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: because it was a close game last time, but we

760
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: all know that the Browns pretty much scored it. Will

761
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't think they punted until the fourth coure. You're

762
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: right about that. We are talking to Zach Jackson, who

763
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: covers the Browns for the Athletic. A great twitter follow

764
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: at Akron Jackson following up on the offensive line. This

765
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: might be hard to quantify, but how much of a

766
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: difference has the hiring of Bill Callahan made a huge difference.

767
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: It was just an organizational commitment. It was, hey, we

768
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: have this wide zone coach, right and we have this

769
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: core of power to guys, but we really struggled at

770
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 1: tackle last year, so they upgraded talent wise. Bill Kellaghan

771
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: was one of the first tires. I don't know what

772
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: they paid him, but it wasn't enough and they just said,

773
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: let's let's get these guys better. I mean, Teller was

774
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: a starter for the Bills, sell out of favor that

775
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: the Browns got him for basically nothing. You know, Treder

776
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: has a couple of freak injuries in Green Bay, but

777
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: otherwise there has been a rock solid starter for a

778
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: long time. Tonio has been around a long time, as

779
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: I previously mentioned, So you know, Kellaghan has kind of

780
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: come in, gotten all those guys on the same page,

781
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: gotten on the same page with the fancy, even though

782
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: they had never previously worked together. And you just noticed

783
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: it last week. Now, Pittsburgh's front seven does that to

784
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: a lot of people, as we all know. But when

785
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: the Browns offensive line is not playing well, they're really struggling.

786
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: And when they are playing well, that's how they got

787
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: on that four game win streak. How about our buddy

788
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: Alex van Pel former quarterback coach here with the Bengals

789
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator with the Cleveland Browns. How is he being

790
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: received up there? Yeah, you know pretty well. It's one

791
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: of the disappointing things Lap is with this with COVID

792
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: and not really getting around the guys. You know, I

793
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: don't think we've seen Alex's personality to the full extent.

794
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: He's not calling the plays, but he's certainly involved, and

795
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: specifically this week, because he knows the Bengals personnel so well.

796
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: But you know, his task is to get Baker Mayfield

797
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: on track. His task is to make sure that they're

798
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: using all of these weapons. I mean, no other team

799
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: in the league could lose a talent like Nick Chubb

800
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: and plug in Kareem Hunt and keep going. Right. They

801
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: paid Austin Hooper a bunch of money at tight end,

802
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: and they've got another rookie who comes in, Harrison Bryant,

803
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: fourth rounder, who's also making plays. So you know, I

804
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: think Alex has been well received. The offense is certainly

805
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: the strength of the team, and it's just all about

806
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: getting Baker on track so they don't have to go

807
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: do this quarterback dance again at the end of the season.

808
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: Final question, Let's talk about the all important third phase

809
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: special teams. Statistically, the Cleveland Browns are struggling in a

810
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: lot of areas. They gave up the hundred and one

811
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: yard offer turn touchdown there thirty first in the NFL,

812
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: covering kickoffs, nineteenth returning them, twenty fifth returning punts, and

813
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: twenty first I mean twenty fifth covering punts, twenty first

814
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 1: returning them and special teams. Has that been problematic all year? Yeah,

815
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: I think they've been a little bit better, but yeah,

816
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: it was a surprise early lap. They brought back their

817
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: special teams coaches and almost all their core guys. And

818
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: as you look at the Bengals, who have been really

819
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 1: strong on special teams the last five or seven years,

820
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: that's an area where they certainly have an advantage Sunday.

821
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: So I do think the Browns have been better. They

822
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: had some guys, They lost their return man for the season,

823
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: one of their core guys, a backup receiver Cadero hodges

824
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: out for a couple of weeks. So yeah, every time

825
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: they kick or punt, the Bengals can be thinking about

826
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: taking it the other way. You know, based on what

827
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: we've seen early in this season, will you be traveling

828
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati, and if so, are their road markers along

829
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: the way that you associate with firing general managers and

830
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: or head coaches. No six coaches have been fired after

831
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 1: Steelers games, but after Bengal games it was just Freddie

832
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 1: And I was still in the stadium last year when

833
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: that happened. So I actually will not be making the trip.

834
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: With our regulations and protocols, I can't go two weeks

835
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 1: in a row, and I went to Pittsburgh last week,

836
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: So I will miss seeing you guys, both of you,

837
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: but you know we'll be watching closely, and you know,

838
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: I think from basically the new era of the Browns,

839
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: right Browns Bengals is they haven't been good at the

840
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: same time, but I think there's a chance over these

841
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: next couple of years that could change. I really believe

842
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: that it's crazy in the division. I mean, you get

843
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: three young quarterbacks, two of them are Heisman Trophy winners,

844
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: and two of them are first picks of the draft.

845
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: It's nuts. It is it is And I really liked

846
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: the guy that you guys got down there. Yep, we

847
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: do too. Yeah, keep up the great work. Love your

848
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: podcast and what you crank out about the Browns on

849
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: the Athletic Thanks Zach, Thanks guys for a final luck

850
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: ahead to Sunday's game. Join Lapping Me for the Bengals

851
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: pep Rally Show on Friday from three to six on

852
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty. That's going to do it for this

853
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: episode of the Bengals Booth podcast, brought to you by

854
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: Bud Light Seltzer. Refresh the game. If you haven't done

855
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: so already, please subscribe and if you have a minute,

856
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: give it a rating or share a comment that helps

857
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: more Bengals fans find this podcast. I'm Dan Horde. And

858
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: thanks for listening to the Bengals Booth podcast.