Speaker 1: Also media.
Speaker 2: We're still here, We're still in Las Vegas. I'm still
Speaker 2: at Tron and this is still better offline. This is
Speaker 2: the second episode of Day five, our last two parter,
Speaker 2: and I was trying to think of something like glib
Speaker 2: and kind of sardonic to say, but I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: be honest. I've had one of the best weeks of
Speaker 2: my life. I've just been really enjoying myself. We've had
Speaker 2: so many really, really great guests. I've got David j
Speaker 2: Roth of course from Defecta Hello, and edwardso Jr. Hello,
Speaker 2: And Carl Schernard of the Las Vegas Sun, and all
Speaker 2: week has just been awesome. People. Kyle, I talked over you.
Speaker 2: I apologize just saying hello. Yeah, that's enough. So Kyle
Speaker 2: your Ed's show, Okay, getting ahead of you. No, So
Speaker 2: you're a general assignment reporter. Yeah, So what have you
Speaker 2: been covering at the show?
Speaker 3: Well, it's pretty unique for me because, you know, a
Speaker 3: lot of the media that comes here is from you know,
Speaker 3: across the country, across the world looking at whatever new
Speaker 3: text coming and I get to cover from a local
Speaker 3: angle and how it affects Vegas and fifically, you know
Speaker 3: what shown here could be implemented in the city in
Speaker 3: the next couple of years.
Speaker 2: So can you talk a little bit about that. I'm
Speaker 2: a local. Yeah, I'm out in Green Valley, Henderson. Well
Speaker 2: then no, it's still less Vegas no ate true way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I was. I was talking to a
Speaker 3: couple of different companies this week. One of them was
Speaker 3: Autonomous Hotel, which is they call it the first AI
Speaker 3: powered hotel.
Speaker 2: Okay, can you define any of that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So, a lot of what that means is collecting a
Speaker 3: lot of user data and then using that to personalize
Speaker 3: kind of the experience of It's also it's a hotel
Speaker 3: slash apartment, so there's gonna be some split between there.
Speaker 3: But for the hotel, it's you know, like remembering your
Speaker 3: coffee order, what direction like your windows, and then when
Speaker 3: you come direction I like that, No, like if you
Speaker 3: like it facing south or west or north?
Speaker 2: Oh, sorry for your Okay, that makes most sense for
Speaker 2: a second. But being like brutalized by CS long enough
Speaker 2: that I'm just like, okay, man, they got moving windows.
Speaker 3: Now, No, the windows I'm I've been I wasn't told this,
Speaker 3: but I'm pretty sure they're stationary.
Speaker 4: Uh, saying somewhere else.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, there's there's a lot of premig just data
Speaker 3: scraping from the week they were I asked about, you know,
Speaker 3: data privacy and stuff like that. Uh, and they were
Speaker 3: all about, you know, whatever data they collect, is the
Speaker 3: user giving it to them?
Speaker 1: And did they sell it? I imagine no, they said they were.
Speaker 5: Well, really more regifting in this scenario.
Speaker 3: No, they said, you know, they they're put a lot
Speaker 3: of emphasis on keeping that data very secure. You know,
Speaker 3: I was talking with the culinary Union.
Speaker 2: No, no, but sorry I had to push back. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: secure is not the same as not sharing it. So yeah,
Speaker 2: have they been remotely giving on I mean, if the
Speaker 2: answer is you don't know, yeah, I'm not sure. No. No,
Speaker 2: but this is not a failing on you. This is
Speaker 2: them being like, thank god, thank god, we don't have
Speaker 2: to say. The thing is, which is we are selling
Speaker 2: this to the points guy and airlines and hotels, because
Speaker 2: that's the thing. These hotels around here are like data warehouse.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the amount of shit they collect on you
Speaker 2: is crazy, not just through them. I actually, this is
Speaker 2: a question do you know anything about data collection practices here?
Speaker 2: And this is I don't either, So if you.
Speaker 3: Don't, I'm not super familiar with it. I mean, surveillance
Speaker 3: is nothing new in Las Vegas. You know, it's not
Speaker 3: rare to find hotels working with the government. That's pretty normal.
Speaker 2: In what ways they work together.
Speaker 3: Oh, you know FBI, if they're looking for something I'm not.
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know these.
Speaker 2: If there's even because I love living here, but I'm
Speaker 2: also a weird, greasy freak and I understand what Vegas is,
Speaker 2: which is you walk in here if you're not being
Speaker 2: to Vegas, so you haven't spent a lot of time here.
Speaker 2: There are cameras everywhere, Yeah, everywhere you go. Not in
Speaker 2: the rooms, I think, but in the hallways, in the casinos,
Speaker 2: and there are You may think that the scariest place
Speaker 2: cameras can look at you is a bank. It's actually
Speaker 2: a casino. They are they are watching and you can
Speaker 2: make the glip to ooh the iron sky. No for real, though,
Speaker 2: it's one of the safest places to be, yeah, because
Speaker 2: they are watching you, and they're watching you because you
Speaker 2: could do stuff with their money, which is not good.
Speaker 2: But anyway, continue, So you've seen this this AI powered hotel, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's it's.
Speaker 1: Opening next couple months.
Speaker 2: Which one is? Where is it?
Speaker 3: It's actually by Allegiant. It's like, I think, like a
Speaker 3: mile away from Legion. It's not on this trail.
Speaker 2: Oh, so it's one of the closer places.
Speaker 1: Oh whit? Yeah, walk into Legions fun.
Speaker 2: I have season tickets. Man, I want to die.
Speaker 5: Can you walk it?
Speaker 3: You can walk from the MGM. Yeah, I it's not
Speaker 3: delan know anymore. It's w but I usually just park
Speaker 3: there and walk. Yeah, it's I went to the Syracuse game.
Speaker 6: So yeah, this is a question that I've always sort
Speaker 6: of struggled with here as a and you know, in
Speaker 6: Los Angeles as well, any of the sort of as
Speaker 6: a New York person that like I like the idea
Speaker 6: of being able to either take mass transit or walk
Speaker 6: to a thing, and yet like Las Vegas isn't big enough,
Speaker 6: like theoretically, like your phone will tell you that's a
Speaker 6: forty five minute walk, and yet I feel like most
Speaker 6: of that is just fully impractical.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I wasn't that bad to get too though.
Speaker 1: I was talking with Oh god, what's the CTA not CEO?
Speaker 2: The other guy, Oh I do not know, don't want.
Speaker 3: I was talking to him and He was like, you know,
Speaker 3: I was asking for a bit of advice on ceas
Speaker 3: and he's like, every walk is longer than you think
Speaker 3: of this.
Speaker 2: That's actually great conference advice.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, but I'm still kind of confused this AI hotel.
Speaker 2: What else does it do other than allegedly remember my preferences?
Speaker 2: Because I have an idea you could have some sort
Speaker 2: of data base of sort, like a place for datar data,
Speaker 2: and you could put the data in that base and
Speaker 2: then you could simply remember which way my thing. What
Speaker 2: does what does AI do with this bit?
Speaker 1: So a lot of it's with their app. So they
Speaker 1: have this thing.
Speaker 2: Oh it's key.
Speaker 3: It's called k ee where they and they described it
Speaker 3: as I have it here at twenty four to seven
Speaker 3: butler and the poll of your hands.
Speaker 5: Sure, so it's just a lot of the requests that.
Speaker 3: You'd be making, not really having to go through a human,
Speaker 3: just saying it into your phone right room.
Speaker 2: This doesn't add functionality to the hotel, surely because the
Speaker 2: butler brings you things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so a lot of the functionalities I guess just
Speaker 3: having to avoid humans. I mean I asked them about that, like, hey,
Speaker 3: how many humans are going to be working here and
Speaker 3: it's around thirty.
Speaker 1: Which is a hotel, which is not a lot. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's we've that's that's what they told me. I want
Speaker 1: for myself.
Speaker 2: This isn't your company.
Speaker 5: Don't worry.
Speaker 2: I'm not mad at you.
Speaker 5: But there's like a.
Speaker 4: Full time and part time employees.
Speaker 1: That's what That's what they say.
Speaker 3: At a big like Las Vegas three hundred rooms, it's
Speaker 3: not that big.
Speaker 5: That's still pretty big.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's ten rooms, but a lot of the
Speaker 3: also is apartments and you don't need as many stuff.
Speaker 6: It is funny that that's like basically where the the
Speaker 6: AI thing. It goes from being like it's like a
Speaker 6: you know, an application on your phone. It's like that,
Speaker 6: but it's AI to suddenly like you get to the
Speaker 6: where the actual rubber meat throat on all of this stuff,
Speaker 6: which is fewer.
Speaker 5: I am going to stay there and I am.
Speaker 2: Going to do an episode, okay, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: have a piss fit.
Speaker 4: You're going to disappear.
Speaker 2: Well, I will be disassociating, like that's the That's so
Speaker 2: it's just frustrating because it's like theoretically an AI hotel
Speaker 2: could well in the sense that if they were to
Speaker 2: find use of preferences that they could just kind of
Speaker 2: move around them. I'm not talking about generative A. I'm
Speaker 2: talking about theoretically algorithms that are capable of knowing a
Speaker 2: user's preference, but only in a much larger hotel system,
Speaker 2: like I don't know Marriott.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's interesting you say that, because I asked
Speaker 3: them about that. I asked, you know, is there any
Speaker 3: interest from hotels in the area, and they said, you know,
Speaker 3: currently we're trying to get everything up and running and
Speaker 3: ready to go, but that there was a lot of
Speaker 3: interest from other hotels and kind of the system you're making.
Speaker 3: And right after I got my interview, I saw someone
Speaker 3: from a Vegas hotel repsent it from a Vegas hotel
Speaker 3: come by and talk.
Speaker 2: Because this isn't entirely out of the Roman possibility for
Speaker 2: thinking about Marriott, for example, they have I don't know
Speaker 2: why I'm talking up like a publicly traded hotel phone,
Speaker 2: but like Marriott's pretty decent, like you can put your
Speaker 2: shit into it. And the frustration I have with the
Speaker 2: AI part is that, yeah, I've specified what kind of
Speaker 2: hotel pillow even very different from a hotel that I
Speaker 2: like in a hotel stay. I'm just not sure what
Speaker 2: else this does other than what they've is suggesting, which
Speaker 2: is what if we just had less people.
Speaker 6: Well, it's the same thing as the stuff that we
Speaker 6: were talking about yesterday with the like smart homes. There's
Speaker 6: a lot of that with AI related stuff, and it
Speaker 6: seems like some of it it's like a a degree
Speaker 6: of convenience that like doesn't just verge upon but like
Speaker 6: goes fully into infantilization or just like i mean, which
Speaker 6: is the place where you get infent That's more of
Speaker 6: what you'd in some ways, like it makes more sense
Speaker 6: for the Isn't that what a hotel's for?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 5: You're like you're removing variables from the equation that Like.
Speaker 2: It also feels like there are very obvious a I
Speaker 2: thinks a hotel could do, such as making check in quicker,
Speaker 2: making sure you check in with that, making sure no
Speaker 2: but making sure the cleaning is done based on when
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I'm I ain't no tech doer,
Speaker 2: but I don't know if I had an algorithm that
Speaker 2: would say, and I'm sure Vegas has these where it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: we have a hotel of X size and why number
Speaker 2: of people come in on a Friday, so we can
Speaker 2: say that we need this much, but we have this
Speaker 2: one person.
Speaker 5: It definitely has that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this isn't that, No, this is about what
Speaker 3: the experience for the and I mean to be fair,
Speaker 3: A lot of hotels, and I talked to professor, I
Speaker 3: talked a lot of people about this. A lot of
Speaker 3: hotels have just a billion different legacy systems running every
Speaker 3: single function.
Speaker 2: Which feels like the things to upgrade rather than this,
Speaker 2: which is and this is that's kind of the point
Speaker 2: they're trying to do.
Speaker 3: It's one completely integrated system for the entire hotel.
Speaker 1: You know, everything is.
Speaker 2: Content's gonna have so much fucking trouble selling that. So yeah, sorry,
Speaker 2: just there's no way. It's why we have airlines on
Speaker 2: nineties computers. Like you think the Grotzi system of Venetian. Yeah,
Speaker 2: people know I use the Venetian a lot. They do
Speaker 2: you think they're going to upgrade an entire multifested system.
Speaker 2: It seems like an unreal that's physician.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was talking to a professor from you
Speaker 1: and LV, great guy.
Speaker 2: You're a real journalist. Also very clear here, like's.
Speaker 3: Great I'm trying to be very very accurate my wording.
Speaker 3: One thing he told me is that that's one of
Speaker 3: the main reasons. I mean, hospitality is Vegas kind of unique,
Speaker 3: but hospitality as industry is not for being on the
Speaker 3: cunning edge. It's known for kind of not the way
Speaker 3: of say, being very stubborn and not really changing it.
Speaker 3: And one of the reasons they're kind of stubborn and
Speaker 3: don't really adapt to the times as quick is because
Speaker 3: of that. Because there's a million systems interacting with each other,
Speaker 3: and when you change one, oh god, that took down everything.
Speaker 2: It's an equilibrium thing. You can't just mess with one
Speaker 2: part of a hotel.
Speaker 3: And that's kind of why, like for a new hotel,
Speaker 3: for them, it's like, Okay, let's not make a billion
Speaker 3: systems and then have to integrate them all later.
Speaker 1: Let's just get it at the outset.
Speaker 2: They can't be the first windows of hotels though they cannot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure if there's other companies having that,
Speaker 3: but they were emphasizing that Witell.
Speaker 2: I'm just imagining startups will do that. So what else
Speaker 2: have you seen moving off of hotels?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think one of the most interesting
Speaker 3: things I saw was from this company Sorensen, which I
Speaker 3: believe is based in Utah. They're at West and so
Speaker 3: we were talking earlier about this being kind of like
Speaker 3: a decent use of AI, like there are.
Speaker 5: Still good uses of an no I would love to hear.
Speaker 3: And so it's a real time translator that works for
Speaker 3: specifically for like longer form presentations in a city like
Speaker 3: Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: That's obviously very important.
Speaker 3: You know, we have a convention authority, and the way
Speaker 3: it works is that once it's set up by the event,
Speaker 3: all you do is scan a QR code and then
Speaker 3: you can have a real time translation of whoever speaking
Speaker 3: at the front on your phone in I think it's
Speaker 3: twenty five languages. And one of the cooler parts about
Speaker 3: it is that they also trained it with different dialects.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was gonna say, so is this generative AI?
Speaker 1: It's a lot of training training data, Jobert.
Speaker 2: Is it a generative model?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 2: And you a technology?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 2: Basically?
Speaker 1: I believe it's a generative model, right.
Speaker 2: So my one concern with that, and I'm glad that
Speaker 2: you mentioned dialects is everyone that I've talked to about
Speaker 2: I can't speak any other languages. I can barely speak English.
Speaker 2: I thus have no experience with it. But everyone I
Speaker 2: talked to is like, there are these subtleties. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: sounds like so how with extra dialects.
Speaker 1: So it's like all good things.
Speaker 3: It's a very human solution to that, where they just
Speaker 3: have a lot of really trained people that you know,
Speaker 3: pretty consistently are checking the models to make sure that
Speaker 3: they're they're working. It's it's not They don't just set
Speaker 3: it to the side. They were really big on this.
Speaker 3: They don't just set to the side and hope it
Speaker 3: works that. They are pretty consistently checking it with a
Speaker 3: group of trained professionals.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons I love having you here is
Speaker 2: being able to respond with this, which is Vegas is
Speaker 2: quite intolerant of bullshit. Weird for this place. It's the
Speaker 2: you can bring whatever you want to see, yes, but
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, you want to sell to our beautiful casinos,
Speaker 2: with our beautiful slot machines that bring us off.
Speaker 5: We love our money.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. You understand we love our slots.
Speaker 2: Why we don't spend we don't have state income tax.
Speaker 2: Our beautiful slot machines. We love them, folks. But it's
Speaker 2: like Vegas is quite intolerant of just shit that don't work,
Speaker 2: because ship that don't work is extremely unprofitable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot.
Speaker 3: When you're working in the hospitality industry, your main job
Speaker 3: is to keep people happy.
Speaker 1: And when you.
Speaker 2: Want Vegas people are babies.
Speaker 3: And when you are running into tech issues and this
Speaker 3: was again this professor. He's giving me all my lines.
Speaker 2: What was the professor's name.
Speaker 1: Oh, let me get it out.
Speaker 5: Don't worry about no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: Look, this show can be quite cynical and hitty, and
Speaker 2: I say words that people don't like, and they get
Speaker 2: upset with me, and they email me every day and
Speaker 2: they say.
Speaker 4: Ed, I hope you die.
Speaker 2: And I imagine the cyber trucking you ed. I imagine
Speaker 2: the Ford f one fifty ed, I sort of a
Speaker 2: Ford f one fifty rapped or hang you you bounced
Speaker 2: and you you went in so much.
Speaker 1: His name is a met or dem.
Speaker 3: He is a resorts sorry, the chair of Unovis Resorts
Speaker 3: Gaming and Golf Management department.
Speaker 2: And I imagine a prius anyway. But that's the thing.
Speaker 2: I want these people on here because there is a
Speaker 2: thing I love about Vegas, where there is a dishonest
Speaker 2: on this day. It's just you can't just fling shit
Speaker 2: here because it's a very working class city. It's a
Speaker 2: very it's a pragmatic city in many, many different ways.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like, I'm more willing to humor
Speaker 2: the idea that they would have this translation thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just because putting aside all my feelings, Vegas would simply
Speaker 2: be like, n this fucking sucks. It's going to get
Speaker 2: between the customer and the slums.
Speaker 3: But I mean, when you're running a com I mean
Speaker 3: especially comments like ces having real time translation when I
Speaker 3: think every panels in English.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Anglo well, anglers, anglophote.
Speaker 3: Anglo centric when you know, I'm talking people and there's
Speaker 3: a billion languages here, and you mentioned working class. Another
Speaker 3: part of this is for at story I'm publishing later.
Speaker 3: I talked to the Culinary union about their tech protection.
Speaker 2: Cool. What did they say?
Speaker 1: So they have they've.
Speaker 3: Been working since twenty eighteen, probably longer actually, but they've
Speaker 3: got protection since twenty eighteen, specifically regarding tech replacing workers
Speaker 3: with that. When tech gets introduced to that would affect
Speaker 3: someone's job, they have to and they negotiated this. They
Speaker 3: get a six month notice and part of that there's
Speaker 3: there's kind of two things that come out of that.
Speaker 3: One that gives them time to kind of work out
Speaker 3: the kinks. One example type of a George the Treasury
Speaker 3: Secretary Treasurer Secretary told me, was there was this new
Speaker 3: system for housekeepers that basically was sending them all across
Speaker 3: different zones, all across different floors, and they're like, hey,
Speaker 3: this is you're gonna.
Speaker 1: Break the backs of the workers here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so with that time they were able to
Speaker 3: get a fix, no problem. And what it also does
Speaker 3: that if a job gets eliminated or if a position
Speaker 3: is eliminated that like Vegas has a there's plenty of jobs,
Speaker 3: so especially in the hospitality industry. So it gives people
Speaker 3: the time to find somewhere else within you know, the industry,
Speaker 3: stay with the union and you know, keep their pension.
Speaker 3: And there's also a pretty decent severance package if your
Speaker 3: job is eliminated from the attack.
Speaker 2: So fucking cool working union man.
Speaker 5: No, I simply accept no substitute thing.
Speaker 2: Like I live here in people like edge. You live
Speaker 2: in a vending machine and that's why I like it.
Speaker 2: But also there are actual really strong unions. Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: a strike. I've been covering it Virgin. Yeah yeah, so
Speaker 2: what's the strike? I care way more about that than
Speaker 2: the do.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah yeah, So they've been on strike for
Speaker 3: a little bit. Now regarding which who is this is?
Speaker 3: This is Virgin Hotels, right with the culinary union. The
Speaker 3: latest proposal, and this was from a little bit ago,
Speaker 3: was well, the original proposal I believe was no raise
Speaker 3: for the first couple of years of the contract, and
Speaker 3: this was from Virgin from Virgin, and then the secondary proposal,
Speaker 3: at least the secondary proposal I heard about his journalist
Speaker 3: was a consistent thirty cent per hour race per year, wasn't.
Speaker 2: The argument from Virgin They couldn't afford anything?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And how true was that?
Speaker 3: So it's hard because their private company, Yeah, so kind of.
Speaker 3: So they used to have their casino run by Mohegan,
Speaker 3: which you can look like the tribe, right, so like
Speaker 3: you you can look at that data and their casino
Speaker 3: or I think it was the only one that was
Speaker 3: I think losing money, which isn't great. So again they
Speaker 3: do have a point, like Virgin is not a super
Speaker 3: successful hotel when it comes to its casino. But what
Speaker 3: they what the union keys pointing at is all you know,
Speaker 3: these giant corporations, a lot of them are. There's what
Speaker 3: it's the Leuna pension fund, one of them in Canada
Speaker 3: that owns the owns the hotel part of the ownership group.
Speaker 3: And then there's another company called fen Gate. So you know,
Speaker 3: the company points to you know, we're an offstra property.
Speaker 3: We can't give you strip pay. And the union's pointing
Speaker 3: at their management saying, you definitely have the money. If
Speaker 3: you want to invest in Vegas, you have to invest
Speaker 3: in the workers, and they've consistently said go back to Canada.
Speaker 2: Yes. So I just want to be clear, Kyle can't
Speaker 2: say this and is no way offering any opinion on
Speaker 2: what I'm going to say, which is solidarity. Now, fuck
Speaker 2: you virgin. Now moving on, what else have you seen
Speaker 2: the Vegas related while you've been here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the other.
Speaker 3: Major Vegas company I was looking at was a robotic
Speaker 3: company that's been here for a while.
Speaker 1: That's rich tech.
Speaker 2: Okay, tell me about them.
Speaker 3: So they work on a couple different things. So you
Speaker 3: have like this atom it's called Adam. It's a bartender robot.
Speaker 3: And when I was at the booth for cees. It
Speaker 3: was kind of interesting because I.
Speaker 1: Didn't see demos of the robot making drinks.
Speaker 2: But it was a bartender.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a bartender robot, so it has two arms,
Speaker 3: you can do everything. And the thing that surprised me
Speaker 3: was like the main thing that brought people over to
Speaker 3: the booth was when the robot was dancing to Apa
Speaker 3: Tu by Bruno Mars and I think.
Speaker 2: Familiar to a song since two thousand and seven your views.
Speaker 6: It is funny that they had the robot partender not
Speaker 6: making drinks, but it was like.
Speaker 1: It might have been at some point when I was there,
Speaker 1: it wasn't.
Speaker 6: It was consoling another robot, right, better than.
Speaker 3: Go back to so But the the thing, it was
Speaker 3: interesting because it was drawing a crowd by its little
Speaker 3: dance with the music. And I was talking to someone
Speaker 3: with the company and they were like, you know, the.
Speaker 1: The show of it, the spectacles.
Speaker 3: I asked like, you know, at what point do we
Speaker 3: get past a spectacle and into just being there?
Speaker 1: And he's like, spectacles part.
Speaker 2: Of the cell. This is Vegas quiet, spectacles part of
Speaker 2: the cell.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's also CS too though, right, like it seems
Speaker 5: like the Vegas.
Speaker 2: Is honest about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah uh.
Speaker 3: And then they had another system that was a lot
Speaker 3: more utilitar. And you also, by the way, can find
Speaker 3: some of their robots at all the Boyd Gaming or
Speaker 3: not all of them.
Speaker 2: But what are the Boyd Gaming for?
Speaker 6: That's like the Awe strip, that Sam's Town and those ones. Yeah,
Speaker 6: somebody was telling me about there was the it's.
Speaker 3: At the Orleans Alante. I might be pronouncing that wrong. Sorry,
Speaker 3: I'm new here.
Speaker 1: And sun Coast cool.
Speaker 3: So they'll have like delivery robots like delivering food and
Speaker 3: then this other robots Skylark and that's more like getting
Speaker 3: a robot to clean floors and make deliveries and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. And so, I mean, you know, like all things,
Speaker 3: the main one of the main things preventing it from
Speaker 3: mass adoption is price. What was it they used to
Speaker 3: have a lot of the robots used to be like
Speaker 3: you just it's like I think it was like one
Speaker 3: hundred and eight thousand dollars, But now they're working off
Speaker 3: more of like a subscription model.
Speaker 5: Baby much of that maybe.
Speaker 2: Do exactly.
Speaker 3: So you have the bartender robot, which is I have
Speaker 3: the price can it tend bar clean, I mean, like
Speaker 3: actually drinks reliably.
Speaker 2: How does it accept the drink order?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sure aware of how drinks.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: I know the drink make a little hand motion, but
Speaker 4: he also probably does. It also come with like an inventory.
Speaker 3: System, Like I'm not sure exactly how its inventory system works,
Speaker 3: but i know for like Tipsy Robot, which is kind
Speaker 3: of like the other that's actually at the Phenician.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's one downstairs and that has like f.
Speaker 3: That's like a the point of sales system where you
Speaker 3: just kind of like tap on a tablet and it
Speaker 3: gives you the drink. So I imagine it will be
Speaker 3: something similar to that. I'm not positive, but I imagine
Speaker 3: its probably a similar system.
Speaker 4: To robot because it feels like it probably it's probably
Speaker 4: not too hard for them to be like, okay, as
Speaker 4: long as we catalog and keep every single drink in
Speaker 4: a certain place, and maybe if you like make a
Speaker 4: request that's outside the bounds of the inventory, then it says.
Speaker 5: Do you mean Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel bad about these though, because there are two
Speaker 2: cities that have my heart, New York and Las Vegas,
Speaker 2: Like it was my favorite. I got here in a
Speaker 2: weird way, and I will probably leave here in a
Speaker 2: weird way. But the thing is, the bartenders here are fascinating,
Speaker 2: that's fun to talk to. I don't want to rope
Speaker 2: at replacing them, because first of all, I don't believe
Speaker 2: Robert will do his good job. But also that was
Speaker 2: not me coughing for any ironic reasons. I really was
Speaker 2: just coughing. The bartender's here rock. But also, like the
Speaker 2: accumulated experience of witnessing Vegas is what makes a bartender
Speaker 2: masks all about people watching, yeah, but also people experiencing Yeah.
Speaker 6: This kind of comes back to another one of the
Speaker 6: things that we kind of keep bumping up against with
Speaker 6: going down there is this idea that somehow the important
Speaker 6: thing I understand it from a business perspective, but from
Speaker 6: any other perspective, the idea that you want to remove
Speaker 6: human interaction from every process and every transaction.
Speaker 1: The thing I I keep saying this.
Speaker 3: I asked them about that, and both this company and
Speaker 3: I think Atomics also to this. They don't want to
Speaker 3: replace humans. They want them to like work alongside them.
Speaker 4: They want to augment them.
Speaker 1: The phrase, the phrase I was told was coba.
Speaker 5: That parallel, So it's cobot.
Speaker 3: So instead of it being a robot replacing you, it's
Speaker 3: one you work with.
Speaker 2: That is loathsome Well, I don't like the idea of like,
Speaker 2: unless the robot is like doing annoying things, you don't.
Speaker 4: Want a robot understudy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what if?
Speaker 6: What if it just what if it just sat on
Speaker 6: your arm and looked at you and blinked?
Speaker 5: Sometimes?
Speaker 1: Was that the pet?
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've heard.
Speaker 6: Good things weirdly like previous episodes, but yeah, they're kind
Speaker 6: of like.
Speaker 5: Look, I don't I was not initially that into the idea, but.
Speaker 1: It's very it's very large eyes like I have my
Speaker 1: cat and I love my.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of people are living things. But yeah,
Speaker 6: that the cobot thing.
Speaker 2: I just Also, it sounds like something said by someone
Speaker 2: who has not worked a job in a while.
Speaker 6: It also sounds like the hyper loop shit where it's
Speaker 6: basically it takes two people to get two people into
Speaker 6: a car that then takes them someplace.
Speaker 5: But it's not.
Speaker 3: And then you had the pro public of story that
Speaker 3: came out this week about which was about what about
Speaker 3: him to do something bad?
Speaker 5: This don't tell me if you did something I want to.
Speaker 1: Do something against I mean no me.
Speaker 6: Oh yes, I got when I went over to the
Speaker 6: convention center yesterday, and it was fully the dumbest shit
Speaker 6: I've ever done in my life.
Speaker 5: I really loved it. I thought it was amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to give this a proper read.
Speaker 3: But pro Public published a piece of car Elon's Elon
Speaker 3: Musk Boring Company is tunneling beneath Las Vegas with a
Speaker 3: little oversight.
Speaker 5: Oh really, Well, I'm sure they're probably doing a good job.
Speaker 2: That's the weird thing, though, It's like this city seemed
Speaker 2: more resistant to that kind of stuff. Are they just
Speaker 2: letting him dig tunnels because it gets the money?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's I have not covered the enough
Speaker 3: to answer that.
Speaker 2: That's fine, No, sorry, I must be clear. I'm not
Speaker 2: holding you to account here. You didn't do the reporting.
Speaker 2: But it's just like it feels like such an aberration
Speaker 2: because one of the things that destroys people about Vegas
Speaker 2: is that everything is convenient at all times. Everything is
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes exactly, thank god. Damn. It's so good that
Speaker 2: real resident here which is five months, three years baby,
Speaker 2: and you know it better than anyone. And it's like, wow,
Speaker 2: I can have diet coke whenever I need to The
Speaker 2: problem is there are people who have other kinds of
Speaker 2: coke they can get in fifteen minutes, and then they do.
Speaker 2: Then there are other proclivities they can fuel in fifteen minutes.
Speaker 6: Is this what they mean by fifteen minute cities when
Speaker 6: you hear that phrase, Yes, yes, I start a place.
Speaker 3: It's a fifteen minute city run by cars.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Actually that's really weird.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're on the last episode. This is
Speaker 2: valuable information about Vegas. The thing is the result of
Speaker 2: every proclivity Jesus Christ being available at all times, is
Speaker 2: that Vegas is just like no, man, I understand, you
Speaker 2: got this new tech and you're very horny and you
Speaker 2: raised all this money, like very exciting. However, you're between
Speaker 2: the beautiful slot machines and our beautiful customers, who are
Speaker 2: anyone who is here, and they ain't going to PRIM.
Speaker 1: So ye had a pretty bad believe they are pretty
Speaker 1: bad gaming.
Speaker 2: And by the way, if they ever find a way
Speaker 2: to get people quicker to PRIM one hundred billion dollar industry,
Speaker 2: I'm just giving people like that. Primm is a city
Speaker 2: that is far further than it looks.
Speaker 6: Oh it's Nevada. You guys, did one of those that's cool.
Speaker 2: No, yes, in the sense that there is a strange
Speaker 2: authority with money that has created the city.
Speaker 5: He's ambitious.
Speaker 2: It's a strange, but I don't have enough prim exp
Speaker 2: some shrooms.
Speaker 4: And going to Robert, Let's find Silica Valley's Eldorado.
Speaker 2: But the launcher point is that Vegas is intolerant of things,
Speaker 2: not because of good or bad, but because of efficiency.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's all bad efficiency.
Speaker 2: And that's the weird thing. Cus exists in this very
Speaker 2: inefficient way here and it's just Vegas is like, I'll take.
Speaker 3: A little well yeah, I mean it's it might be
Speaker 3: inefficient for the tech industry, but it's a great money
Speaker 3: maker for the city, which.
Speaker 2: Is a great description in Vegas. I mean, this may
Speaker 2: destroy you, but it.
Speaker 3: May you know, it might not be great for you know,
Speaker 3: there's AI being put into everything all that stuff, but
Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's a very large conference that the
Speaker 3: city makes good money off of. And we just had
Speaker 3: a recent F one report or at recent November gaming
Speaker 3: revenue report and F one not performing the way people
Speaker 3: want it to. So I mean these conventions are in
Speaker 3: I mean, they keep the city afloat, especially I mean
Speaker 3: when people couldn't travel here in twenty twenty. I mean
Speaker 3: I wasn't here about it. I wash then you know strange.
Speaker 3: I mean it was also the depression here was it
Speaker 3: was terrible.
Speaker 2: Like this is a working class city, and when you
Speaker 2: think about c s a lot of engineers and such,
Speaker 2: Vegas is a place which is very working class. And
Speaker 2: the effects of these conferences are quite pronounced.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's important, it's important for the city.
Speaker 2: So very meaningful. Ending for a third of the episode
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Speaker 5: I'm so tired. I've watched so many steps this week.
Speaker 2: I feel like I have new energy. That's the problem.
Speaker 2: I'm going into the last day with more energy than
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Speaker 5: That's that's that's another Cees miracle.
Speaker 2: It's it's beautiful. Kyle Shanad from the Las Vegas Sun
Speaker 2: either and of course Edward and Guiso Junior. Hellow, that's
Speaker 2: really bad. Yeah, Kyle, you were at the same panel.
Speaker 2: Tell me about this panel.
Speaker 5: So it was this panel done by a number of
Speaker 5: tech companies. Adobe had a spokesperson there as well as
Speaker 5: one of the DHS Science and Technology at representatives. It
Speaker 5: was ostensibly about like deep fakes, AI generated like information
Speaker 5: UH and disinformation and misinformation. And I've been to a
Speaker 5: lot of these panels over the years. I went to
Speaker 5: one last year at ce YES put on by Deloitte.
Speaker 5: That was that was actually okay. And then I went
Speaker 5: to a few at them at the r NC earlier last.
Speaker 2: Year, and that's the Republican National Convention.
Speaker 5: Correct, correct, So you know it's a good good, uh
Speaker 5: good panel for journalists to go to speaking of speaking
Speaker 5: of disinformation. But yeah, I I uh, this was on
Speaker 5: Thursday that we were we we walked into the LVCC,
Speaker 5: went to this panel and it was uh one one
Speaker 5: person in front of me did fall asleep?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was.
Speaker 2: What was the panel about?
Speaker 3: Also, it was about U misinformation, disinformation and deep fakes.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: And I think if you didn't know much about it,
Speaker 3: it probably could be a little shuffle. But for I
Speaker 3: think as audience, maybe not as much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean it was. It was talking about
Speaker 5: you know, various various tools to identify, uh, like AI
Speaker 5: generated or or or deep faked like information or or
Speaker 5: you know like you know, pictures, videos, and you know
Speaker 5: how a whole bunch of the previous like visual tactics.
Speaker 5: Right a few years ago, it's pretty easy to spawn
Speaker 5: a AI image. It's maybe slightly harder now. It depends
Speaker 5: on the model. But how you know, how with with
Speaker 5: with how fast that kind of that is developing, especially
Speaker 5: for stills. It's it's it's going beyond like visual detection.
Speaker 5: You have to actually create tools to detect this, and
Speaker 5: those tools can also be prone to false positives and
Speaker 5: false negatives. And so there's this another technology that a
Speaker 5: whole bunch of companies like a Microsoft making a big
Speaker 5: push for it as well as well as Adobe. It's
Speaker 5: kind of like a build in systems for when you
Speaker 5: generate AI content that that like clearly identifies it as
Speaker 5: such in the metadata. And that that's something I heard
Speaker 5: a lot about last year, and they talked about it here.
Speaker 5: I think they called it providence.
Speaker 1: Providence was the word of the day.
Speaker 5: Yes, that was the That was the word that they
Speaker 5: that they used was these uh, these providence systems as
Speaker 5: opposed to like, uh detection systems, which is like you know,
Speaker 5: like like post post post talk, you know, we we
Speaker 5: will use we will use that against you know, AI
Speaker 5: or suspected AI content. Uh that was you know, maybe
Speaker 5: not generated with this built in information.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So how was the panel though? Was it useful? Like
Speaker 2: did it make profound statements or was this more cslop.
Speaker 3: I mean I wouldn't call it c yes slop because
Speaker 3: there's the oh yeah, the ones where you just sit
Speaker 3: there for half an hour and go like a, well
Speaker 3: that was half an hour I could be doing something else. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it was good for you know, learning the basics.
Speaker 3: And they talked about, you know how like you mentioned,
Speaker 3: it was a lot easier to detect things a while ago.
Speaker 3: One thing I wish they and this is not your
Speaker 3: reallyid question, but one thing I wish they did talk
Speaker 3: about was just how text based a lot of this
Speaker 3: AI misinformation, Like it's a lot of the misinformation that
Speaker 3: gets published.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you go on X be everything.
Speaker 2: App as I do for my Bankking of course.
Speaker 3: I mean I I go into I can't even read
Speaker 3: the comments anymore because I have to scroll through a
Speaker 3: billion in blue checks, and so many of them are
Speaker 3: just like uh, obviously AI generated based off analyzing the
Speaker 3: image and then writing the most basic comment possible.
Speaker 1: So I wish there was a little more focus on that, if.
Speaker 5: You want to no, sure, I mean like that is
Speaker 5: that is a massive section of it. And this is
Speaker 5: something even I asked a question about at the Republican
Speaker 5: National Convention at Microsoft panel being like you have all
Speaker 5: these tools for like AI images, right, you know, images
Speaker 5: of politicians and in debaucherous acts, you know, all all
Speaker 5: these sorts of things. But they also advertised like AI's
Speaker 5: ability to make specifically like like a specific like a
Speaker 5: user uh user specific political like press releases basically like
Speaker 5: like you know, like a campaign can send an email
Speaker 5: like based on like a voter's profile that can be
Speaker 5: tailored using AI to specific voters and like that what
Speaker 5: could go wrong with that?
Speaker 2: And also do you mean creating data to specifically push
Speaker 2: vote in one direction?
Speaker 5: Well yeah, yes, but like but you know, like you
Speaker 5: if you're working for a campaign and you want to
Speaker 5: target specific voters, you can analyze their social media presence,
Speaker 5: you know, whatever kind of information about them is in
Speaker 5: certain data seats that can be bought and and make
Speaker 5: you know, an AI written press release specifically for them.
Speaker 5: And this is something I also like asked questions about,
Speaker 5: like you're talking about you know these like uh these
Speaker 5: AI AI metadata watermarks for images, but what about for text?
Speaker 5: Like how will I be able to know if an
Speaker 5: email I'm getting from a politician was written by a
Speaker 5: person or written by a robot They're like, well you can't.
Speaker 5: We simply aren't gonna worry about that.
Speaker 3: And like, I mean I walked up to y'all afterwards,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I guess the lesson is that
Speaker 3: we're all screwed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all, we all are screwed. I mean that
Speaker 1: was the main takeaway.
Speaker 5: That was what the DHS was saying, which I was like, maybe,
Speaker 5: oh god, that was the main takeaway I had.
Speaker 3: Was everyone pretty much saying like this is going to
Speaker 3: get worse, and it's an arms and like all the
Speaker 3: stuff is an.
Speaker 5: Arms and it is and like you know, they they
Speaker 5: gestured towards you know, quote unquote bad guys or like
Speaker 5: you know, foreign state actors specifically Iran, does you know
Speaker 5: a lot of work on this? Russia? But and you know,
Speaker 5: I think in some ways to focus on those two
Speaker 5: might be kind of lifted as the new is the
Speaker 5: new administration focuses more on China, but specifically for like
Speaker 5: for like just disformation using AI tools. Iran and Russia.
Speaker 5: Like the past year has been like the main players
Speaker 5: targeting US voters.
Speaker 2: It is so wild. We just have I'm this is
Speaker 2: a real dumb guy statement. Do we just have other
Speaker 2: countries who are just fucking with the US citizen tree
Speaker 2: and it's just like a thing that happens.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's a huge it's like a it's a
Speaker 5: it's a huge project.
Speaker 2: Disidered an act of war.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's it's it's an extension of like
Speaker 5: Cold War stuff, right, like it's.
Speaker 2: So we just have wars that are like not really
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, yeah, pretty much. I mean, I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: also describing how colonial Britain work by paying people not
Speaker 2: to like teach people to write. So I realized I'm
Speaker 2: like the Bill Belichick of But it's just very frustrating
Speaker 2: to hear this stuff and not really know what to
Speaker 2: do about it because it could happen here. Does amazing
Speaker 2: welk on disinformation for something as like a person?
Speaker 5: Okay no, but no, no, okay, you know, it is
Speaker 5: a huge problem and there really isn't much to do
Speaker 5: realistic like we have tried to make fact checking work
Speaker 5: the past few years, and I don't think Americans are
Speaker 5: that much better at identifying false or genuine information. Like
Speaker 5: fact checking has kind of failed as a as like
Speaker 5: a large as a large project.
Speaker 2: I almost feel like what they actually need is vibe checkers.
Speaker 2: I mean, they need someone, but it's why do I
Speaker 2: feel bad looking at this? What I'm saying is everyone
Speaker 2: needs therapy.
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ, astrologers and estate.
Speaker 5: State mandated therapy is the solution here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely a state mandated vibe checker. Is this real?
Speaker 5: I would apply to be checker? What do you think
Speaker 5: about this? It's not.
Speaker 9: Big.
Speaker 10: Don't read the end of Jiu Jitsu Kaise and it's
Speaker 10: a very disappointing manga, very unfair. The end of Demons
Speaker 10: LA have far better seven similar, terrible ending. It took
Speaker 10: out the US superhero.
Speaker 4: Joe's bizarre adventure is holding up?
Speaker 5: It was normal. I didn't know. Look, think you were weaves.
Speaker 5: That is interesting. I am I appreciate other cultures. Oh,
Speaker 5: I don't give a ship.
Speaker 2: I'm a huge weave.
Speaker 5: Do you know what I'm wearing?
Speaker 2: I was wondering if that was a reference. You look
Speaker 2: like you might explain this one gap because I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't guess.
Speaker 2: No, like Anti Anti was it that one?
Speaker 1: No, there's no chainsaw man right, No?
Speaker 5: No, Oh, I thought you were one of those agents.
Speaker 2: It's one of the club ones or in high school, yes,
Speaker 2: host club one yes, just to be clear, is the
Speaker 2: best dressed of any of us and also fucking rocking
Speaker 2: like an actual Manger related outfit and nailing it.
Speaker 5: I spent a lot of money on this as you
Speaker 5: should have looks great. I I I found. I found
Speaker 5: a very nice blue blazer that I defaced by putting
Speaker 5: on the orange patch.
Speaker 4: This is good. This good. I've been admiring your fits.
Speaker 4: I feel like back home. I'm usually I'm usually dressed
Speaker 4: the best dress and dressed best.
Speaker 5: Your pants are fantastic.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, but no one's saying anything about me.
Speaker 4: Good personally. I think you should have gone with the
Speaker 4: aviator shades.
Speaker 5: I think you should have gone with the shade I
Speaker 5: would love. But I was talking about this with with
Speaker 5: my boss Robert Evans last night. We should bring the
Speaker 5: men's wear a guy here one year. I have him
Speaker 5: walk around.
Speaker 2: Ceyes, you have anticipated. He's also not cheap, No, he
Speaker 2: wants no.
Speaker 5: Derek guy is legend.
Speaker 2: I love him, and he also knows what he's worth
Speaker 2: and should he should It's a pro labor podcast.
Speaker 5: Is that his name Derek Derek, which is so fucking.
Speaker 2: Funny to be like the menswear guy, and your second
Speaker 2: name is guy.
Speaker 5: Very very cool. I would I would love for him
Speaker 5: to walk around the show floor. I think it could
Speaker 5: do some real psychicama.
Speaker 4: It doesn't rate my fing. I never want him to
Speaker 4: put his I have so on on me.
Speaker 2: I say this with my not quite parasocial but here's
Speaker 2: my Derek Guy's story. So I lost a lot of
Speaker 2: weight this year. And this is not a me trying
Speaker 2: to actually conjure up people saying anything. I'm fine. What
Speaker 2: I'm saying is I lost all the weight and I
Speaker 2: bought a bunch of clothes and I took a picture
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I still feel like shit. So I
Speaker 2: emailed Derek Guy, as one normally does in tears, and
Speaker 2: I was like, why do I feel bad still? Because
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, if he doesn't respond,
Speaker 2: he doesn't respond, but if he does, he can help
Speaker 2: me deal with something like an emotional thing where I'm like,
Speaker 2: I feel better about my body, but I don't like
Speaker 2: what's on it. And he was like, you have no
Speaker 2: aesthetic and he explained the concept of aesthetics. One of you.
Speaker 4: Responded, yeah, there, he's like the chump ski fashion.
Speaker 5: For the.
Speaker 2: He's still responding, well, this is kind of what I
Speaker 2: was addressing with Gare, which is he isn't there to
Speaker 2: eighty six people. He's there to try and explain what
Speaker 2: looks and feels good. And he talks about clothing his
Speaker 2: social language. And he said, you have no aesthetic. You're
Speaker 2: wearing like trainers with like a threadbelt. My shit was busted.
Speaker 2: I look terrible because of the clothes, not because of me.
Speaker 2: I would actually love him to do that, but also
Speaker 2: walk around being like, this ship looks fucking good because
Speaker 2: I feel like and with this show, especially if you're
Speaker 2: just a hater, were loving nothing, you're just vacuous.
Speaker 5: Occasionally you see a very well dressed Asian businessman fucking rocks,
Speaker 5: and then you see a lot of a lot of Asian,
Speaker 5: a lot of Asian businessmen in very ill fitting suits.
Speaker 5: But occasionally you'll see one guy who has that ship on.
Speaker 4: Yes, I did see someone who had that ship on
Speaker 4: and they were like looking at other people's fits. Would
Speaker 4: discuss That's.
Speaker 2: What I've been doing all week, baby fashion ped.
Speaker 4: I really I should have gone up to him and
Speaker 4: talked to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have notes about the convention, rapp, Why this
Speaker 2: is my actual job. Okay, yeah, I forgot why we
Speaker 2: have we just you know, yeah, at the YAP index
Speaker 2: is over five thousand right now, Japanese, can please bring
Speaker 2: us back to why we're actually well?
Speaker 5: So, I guess one thing I was spending almost all
Speaker 5: of yesterday doing, as we've been intundated with these AI products,
Speaker 5: is is learning about all of the AI products targeting
Speaker 5: your offspring, your kids who are being raised now with
Speaker 5: AI the same way my generation was raised with social media.
Speaker 2: Nice son of mine.
Speaker 4: This is like cocoa melon ship where it's like put
Speaker 4: this in front of your kid, or it's like the vice,
Speaker 4: like consumer products for the anxious parent.
Speaker 5: You know, both these things kind of these these things
Speaker 5: canna kind of overlap. The first thing I did yesterday
Speaker 5: morning was a TENDED panel called Raising AI Kids Responsibly.
Speaker 5: Great title because this could either mean you're making an
Speaker 5: AI child that you get to raise, or it's about
Speaker 5: how do you raise kids in the world at AI?
Speaker 5: And now it was the latter. I kind of wanted
Speaker 5: the former.
Speaker 2: I hate all of it.
Speaker 5: It was bad, Uh it was. It was in some
Speaker 5: ways it was bad and you know, a little bit cringe.
Speaker 5: But there's also some interesting you know stuff set here.
Speaker 5: There was two products that were that were displayed. One
Speaker 5: of them was from this company called ready Land, I
Speaker 5: believe partners with Amazon. It's basically like it's an AI
Speaker 5: story book that interacts with an Alexa machine. Now, one
Speaker 5: thing about them that I think is actually really good.
Speaker 5: They don't they don't generate any new AI content. It's
Speaker 5: just using AI to stitch together basically kind of a
Speaker 5: choose your own adventure book, but for kids to to
Speaker 5: have like a physical book that they read with with
Speaker 5: the Alexa machine that then can make them like toxic
Speaker 5: characters change the story in different directions. But all the
Speaker 5: content is pre baked. It just it just gets it
Speaker 5: just gets assembled in different ways.
Speaker 2: Just one idea.
Speaker 7: As the father of a son, the son of a mother,
Speaker 7: a brother of a sister, you can do this thing
Speaker 7: when you're reading to your child where you can think
Speaker 7: of something else.
Speaker 5: I understand, And this is what my parents did to
Speaker 5: me and macination. This is what I was thinking about.
Speaker 5: Like in the panel, I'm like, yes, this is this
Speaker 5: is cool. You know, it's safer than a whole bunch
Speaker 5: of the other other stuff I'm seeing. But how this
Speaker 5: kind of steals away the joy of reading to your kids.
Speaker 4: When my little brother is growing up, you just don't
Speaker 4: realize how bad shit child is.
Speaker 2: So I avoid talking about my son in general. I
Speaker 2: won't name him because I believe he should have his
Speaker 2: own destiny. But one of the most wonderful parts of
Speaker 2: being a father is having my son come and talk
Speaker 2: to me about something he just thought up, and it
Speaker 2: will be something Minecraft related, and he will explain something
Speaker 2: I did not know about Minecraft, and you will, like,
Speaker 2: he will explain something in such detail that I've never
Speaker 2: even considered in my life, and it's something quite simple.
Speaker 2: But it's because he's been allowed to go off in
Speaker 2: these directions with no prompting, with no.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no totally, I mean my bit, Yeah, it's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like the idea of depriving children of
Speaker 2: this makes me so.
Speaker 5: Fucking actually, especially when it's targeting like five year olds,
Speaker 5: which is like where it gets more upsetting to me.
Speaker 2: And taking the fucking parenting thing of having an imagination
Speaker 2: about what your child could be is so fucking sickening.
Speaker 5: I'm getting angry this is now. Unfortunately, like I actually
Speaker 5: felt relatively better about this product. So it's basically kind
Speaker 5: of just like it's kind of it's kind of just
Speaker 5: a visual It's kind of it's kind of just like
Speaker 5: a visual novel, you know, like like those uh like
Speaker 5: those visual novel games. But you have much you have
Speaker 5: physical books you're reading now. Compared to the other product
Speaker 5: called Poe the AI Teddy Bear, which I also saw,
Speaker 5: so much worse is it? It is what it sounds like.
Speaker 5: It's a teddy bear that comes with an app where
Speaker 5: you can put in certain like parameters for like I
Speaker 5: want the story starring this character with this archetype of
Speaker 5: civillain in this setting, and it'll generate an AI story
Speaker 5: for your child, generating new content. So unlike unlike story
Speaker 5: Land or unlike unlike ready Land, Poe the AI Bear
Speaker 5: is actually is actually generating live content, unreviewed by unreviewed
Speaker 5: by moderator. It's just straight to your child. It's fifty
Speaker 5: dollars on Amazon. You can order this thing right now
Speaker 5: and talk to it.
Speaker 2: He putting my tongue in my cheek. When did I
Speaker 2: do when I'm pissed off about?
Speaker 5: Side is gonna hang out? You're low key tweaking right,
Speaker 5: I'm like names places he did talk about. He's like,
Speaker 5: you know, like chat GPT does does have guardrails for content.
Speaker 5: But but those guardrails you know, don't always reliably work,
Speaker 5: but they're better than nothing, and and and content moderation
Speaker 5: is an issue that we're working on. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 5: but your product is hit the market like you are selling, we're.
Speaker 1: Working on moderation. Isn't a great answer?
Speaker 5: No, not a good answer. And this is something like
Speaker 5: even even the other guy with like the AI storybook mentioned,
Speaker 5: He's like, it's pretty easy to make like your AI
Speaker 5: kids toy not say swear words or even even even
Speaker 5: like you talk about like sex or drugs. But one
Speaker 5: thing that's even harder to moderate. It's like what if
Speaker 5: it's what if it says like inaccurate or or actually
Speaker 5: like like like a like dangerous information, you know, like
Speaker 5: what if it's what if it goes in a really
Speaker 5: weird direction and starts like and starts like talking about
Speaker 5: he son so that generally exactly general exactly models.
Speaker 2: They don't even understand how the training data truly interacts
Speaker 2: with the system totally, they don't know how this shit
Speaker 2: truly works. The only useful thing in quantum computing related
Speaker 2: to AI right now is the fact that they can
Speaker 2: actually have models that can discern what the training data does.
Speaker 2: So the idea of my child interacting with all of
Speaker 2: these I realize now like nothing actually makes me angry
Speaker 2: other than harms to my child, at which point I
Speaker 2: might actually go falling down mode.
Speaker 5: So it's such a good movie too.
Speaker 2: It's such a great movie.
Speaker 5: That's a good movie.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: The other the last part of the last thing about
Speaker 5: this panel is that it was it actually opened with
Speaker 5: this person from the company Ido Ido Play Lab Partnerships,
Speaker 5: who was the first company to partner with Sesame Workshop
Speaker 5: to make to make apps for kids. So I'm like,
Speaker 5: this is interesting, Like Sesmei Workshop usually I consider I
Speaker 5: consider being like pretty pretty thoughtful in how they produce
Speaker 5: media for kids, and like, if they're choosing to partner
Speaker 5: with this company, maybe I'll listen to what they say.
Speaker 5: And they didn't have anything to sell. They just had
Speaker 5: data that they've been collecting on how gen Z thinks
Speaker 5: about AI. This thing's becoming increasingly invasive in our lives,
Speaker 5: Like how do we think about it and what do
Speaker 5: we really want out of it? And some of the
Speaker 5: way this lady presented stuff was a little bit odd.
Speaker 5: She kind of presented all of all of the data
Speaker 5: findings as like shocking surprises, which I think may have
Speaker 5: been tailored for the CEES audience.
Speaker 2: Sure, so I feel like more attention to the details
Speaker 2: isn't bad.
Speaker 5: Sure, and like this is this is what she said
Speaker 5: her uh, her data like showed and and you can
Speaker 5: you can look you can look this stuff up on
Speaker 5: their website. The main question she asked is what if
Speaker 5: the tech savvy generation gen Z isn't buying what we're
Speaker 5: selling anymore?
Speaker 2: Fucking hell, imagine the customer does the thing you're building.
Speaker 5: Uh, she said, Like, you know, gen Z is typically
Speaker 5: seen as early as like early adopters, early users, and
Speaker 5: they usually are, but they also come with the most
Speaker 5: amount of informed opinions about how badly the tech feels,
Speaker 5: how cringing it is to use, and how it affects
Speaker 5: their sense of humanity.
Speaker 1: So so the issue is that they know what's up.
Speaker 5: They know what's up, which was you know, if you're
Speaker 5: in businesses is like as either a hurdle to overcome
Speaker 5: or some insights to help you, you know, maybe maybe
Speaker 5: pivot or change in a completely different direction. She identified
Speaker 5: like the key areas of tension around AI for gen
Speaker 5: Z is one creative expression.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: You know, it's its ability to you know, have us
Speaker 5: feel proud of the art that we make and how
Speaker 5: it affects human relationships. And she she brought up a
Speaker 5: few questions or like examples of of the types of
Speaker 5: stuff that she's that she's like you know, asking asking people, uh,
Speaker 5: as a part of this data collections, Like let's say
Speaker 5: you've let's say let's say you've had a friend breakup?
Speaker 5: Would you rather an AI tool kind of like like
Speaker 5: like counsel you through that process, you know, like like
Speaker 5: you know, like bounce ideas off and try to try
Speaker 5: to like move on or figure out like what happened?
Speaker 5: Or do you want like a temporary friend replacement? Do
Speaker 5: you want the AI to become a friend for you instead?
Speaker 5: Would you rather would you rather that be your friend
Speaker 5: for the time being? And like no, we we actually
Speaker 5: don't want AI friends. That's that's not what we want.
Speaker 5: Which is a lot of stuff at Yes, this year,
Speaker 5: it feels so much of AI this year is like
Speaker 5: it is like about replacing human friendship, so to preserve
Speaker 5: human friendship.
Speaker 2: Right, Sorry, it's fucked up because the idea of tech
Speaker 2: at least ten years ago was they would bring us
Speaker 2: closer together and would allow for deeper connections. Now it's like, buddy, like,
Speaker 2: yeah about that, you want to connect with the computer.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is what happens when I mean all
Speaker 4: these you know, this is what happens when everyone starts
Speaker 4: reading Marcus Aurelius a little too closely.
Speaker 2: So true, I don't know that reference. I am an idiot.
Speaker 2: People need to stop quoting books to me.
Speaker 4: I think that you don't know.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, ed, Yes, Actually, Russell Croche will say that
Speaker 2: one of the funniest things on Twitter, which is he
Speaker 2: responded to one of the CNN reports I believe at
Speaker 2: the time and he was just like blocked blogger, which
Speaker 2: is one of the funniest things to say. Anyway, let's
Speaker 2: just ignore my forty.
Speaker 5: But this was the same thing that she was talking about.
Speaker 5: It is like, you know this thing where that what
Speaker 5: we're all seeing is like these air products designed to
Speaker 5: replace the role of human friendship. And another thing she
Speaker 5: presented as like this like surprising the problem of meeting people. No, no,
Speaker 5: it's it's it's it's it's it's actually helping you like
Speaker 5: overcome the fact that you like lost a friend. It's
Speaker 5: trying to be like, hey, it's okay. If you lost
Speaker 5: a friend, this AI can be your friend instead. Yeah, yes, I.
Speaker 3: Mean the solution to like this loneliness epidemic, especially young
Speaker 3: people are going through. I can't imagine is more robots,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 5: And yeah, one thing I keep thinking that's driving alienation.
Speaker 4: One of these guys who did who does? Like these
Speaker 4: companion bought chat bought sites. I think character AI, you're like, oh, okay, well,
Speaker 4: you know, you seem in interviews to be earnest about
Speaker 4: like people are lonely. Maybe we can't replace, but we
Speaker 4: can offer a salve that helps people get back to
Speaker 4: the point where they have human friendships. Again, what does
Speaker 4: he believe about people? And it's just like let's hang
Speaker 4: homeless people and you know, let's murder the poor like
Speaker 4: these like this sort of it's not a coincidence that
Speaker 4: someone building that sort of firm has such deeply pathology.
Speaker 4: It's so such the.
Speaker 2: Top as well, because the idea of an AI you
Speaker 2: can bounce ideas off of, is not inherently a rib idea.
Speaker 2: We sit there, we think about shit, and the idea
Speaker 2: of having a log of it. I general a great
Speaker 2: deal and I think many people listening to this, dude,
Speaker 2: there's an idea of looking at this, but are like, yeah,
Speaker 2: what if your journal was a person.
Speaker 5: Can help it gets worse?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: The next thing that choose as an example is like,
Speaker 5: what if there's an AI that's trained on your preferences
Speaker 5: to train on your dating preferences what you like aesthetically
Speaker 5: and what if that could instead go on your first
Speaker 5: dates for you? What what? What if?
Speaker 1: What if this is literally a black mirrors?
Speaker 5: What what if this could like handle like icebreaker questions
Speaker 5: and like and like get over like hard life experiences
Speaker 5: easier for you.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite little perverse things was there once
Speaker 4: said one time said he doesn't like sex. What he
Speaker 4: would like he's just a Slovenian philosopher psychoanalytics.
Speaker 1: That's a lot he's you know, he means, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: And he was talking about how the ideal sexual encounter
Speaker 4: for him is two people taking their sex toys and
Speaker 4: those sex toys playing with each other.
Speaker 5: Exactly, and this is this is exactly what that's disgusting,
Speaker 5: and the ideal, the.
Speaker 2: Ideal perversion, the pure perversion of that is two people
Speaker 2: using those sex toys together to get each other off.
Speaker 5: No, that's great, that's wonderful.
Speaker 4: Good perversions pro sex podcast Christ the the the one
Speaker 4: where you send an avatar.
Speaker 5: That different, completely autonomous from from you and evil. And
Speaker 5: it was like this is this is why what she
Speaker 5: was saying was so odd because like she presented this
Speaker 5: as like a surprising revelation that that gen Z would
Speaker 5: rather live life themselves than have an AI live your
Speaker 5: life for you, and like like that was what she
Speaker 5: was trying to say, but it was so odd having
Speaker 5: that presented like some like surprising like exclusive fact that
Speaker 5: you can only get through like data research and and
Speaker 5: and she she talked about like there is like gen
Speaker 5: Z sees value in having like bad dates and like
Speaker 5: and like and like actually and actually like and actually
Speaker 5: like overcoming like challenges in life and like that's that's
Speaker 5: actually a core part of being human and we don't
Speaker 5: want that process like uh, like like smoothed over with
Speaker 5: like tech can't solve the hardship of life. The hardship
Speaker 5: is part of life. That's what makes life work living and.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, how old are you?
Speaker 5: I'm in my early twenties.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I didn't want to get so gen Z. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: how do you feel about these assumptions?
Speaker 5: I mean, like again like this is these are questions
Speaker 5: that she's like that she's imposing to like you know,
Speaker 5: focused groups of of of like Jami, but like but
Speaker 5: they're really pandering, They're they're there.
Speaker 2: Is it accurate?
Speaker 5: Well no, because they assume such a base level of
Speaker 5: stupidity that they're like kind of offensively like even like
Speaker 5: framed the fact that I would be like would you
Speaker 5: rather have an AI go on dates for you?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 5: Why why would you ever ask me that? That's that?
Speaker 5: That's fucking stupid?
Speaker 2: Some of the fun parts about romance. Wow, set the
Speaker 2: word correctly. They're always saying this about me with how
Speaker 2: words go? Is fucking up about exact of yourself that
Speaker 2: get banged off someone and you feel that you learn
Speaker 2: about yourself exactly.
Speaker 5: And that's and that's what she was saying, is like
Speaker 5: that's act atually what people want. People don't people don't
Speaker 5: actually want AI telling to to like live your life,
Speaker 5: you shouldn't take and and and and she and she
Speaker 5: she specifically provided to push back against this idea in
Speaker 5: in the in the tech industry, where like the smoothest
Speaker 5: possible path is the best one, right, you you want
Speaker 5: you want, you want to like optimize every part of life,
Speaker 5: and like what if that optimization actually isn't the point?
Speaker 5: What what if this like idea in the in the
Speaker 5: tech industry that we have to optimize and smooth over
Speaker 5: every hardship misses the entire point of living. And you
Speaker 5: have all these tech bros being like, oh yeah, huh,
Speaker 5: I guess so maybe maybe we shouldn't smooth over all
Speaker 5: the problems.
Speaker 3: It's like a it's a very maybe I'm getting this
Speaker 3: reference wrong. It's a very like Patrick Baateman Bateman like
Speaker 3: things of like I am optimizing everything to the tea
Speaker 3: and I will you keep it, keep it going?
Speaker 4: I mean no specifically in his in the book, you
Speaker 4: know that is like the sort of train of thought
Speaker 4: he has. This he's like kind of imp empty, engaging
Speaker 4: with life at the very superficial, craving something else.
Speaker 5: Like the final point she had is like and again
Speaker 5: this is all it's all kind of panderings, like you're
Speaker 5: saying like you're saying, like gen Z, but like this
Speaker 5: is like acrossing a lot of people, like but she said,
Speaker 5: like gen Z doesn't trust AI to understand the nuance
Speaker 5: of their lives and minial of course, but yes, like
Speaker 5: it was not a panel because on one hand you
Speaker 5: have these like like AI toys for kids, and then
Speaker 5: you have this woman with this company that works as
Speaker 5: sess to me and she's like, yeah, actually gen Z
Speaker 5: doesn't want AI to run their lives, and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 5: who could have thought.
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Speaker 2: So we enter the end of the truly unified end
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Speaker 2: not even gonna do any like sardonic shit. I'm just
Speaker 2: so happy. I'm surrounded by people who are super game
Speaker 2: to make podcasts too. Like I'm like genuinely like near
Speaker 2: tears of how happy I am with everyone being game
Speaker 2: for this. Everyone has been so amazing, all the journalists
Speaker 2: who have joined us. It's just been the best fucking
Speaker 2: week of a week that is generally quite depressing. Also
Speaker 2: feels like a good point to admit two things. One,
Speaker 2: I watched Neogenesis Evangelian and I was a teenager, and
Speaker 2: I did not understand the subtext. Oh yeah, so the
Speaker 2: whole time for most of my life was watching this
Speaker 2: show and being like, Danny's robots are fucking cool, and
Speaker 2: then like some weird shit happened. I guess I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: but okay, the robot's back. Okay, there's like some stuff
Speaker 2: from space and there's a big head kind of fucking weird,
Speaker 2: I guess anyway. Welcome to Better Offline. I'm Ed Zichron.
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Speaker 2: Davis of it could happen here, Cool Zone Media and
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Speaker 5: Hello, Hello, Hello.
Speaker 2: We're at the end of CES. We have one more
Speaker 2: positive masculine e day coming after this, but this is
Speaker 2: really the close out, as all of us just slop
Speaker 2: ourselves into the remaining quarters of this convention center. I
Speaker 2: could not have had more fun if I tried, But
Speaker 2: next year I'll try. Robert, how has the show been?
Speaker 2: How would you summarize the show?
Speaker 5: It was great?
Speaker 8: I mean, obviously AI is here to stay. This is
Speaker 8: the worst it's ever gonna be. Everything's thank you, only
Speaker 8: gonna get better and thank God. You know, there's this
Speaker 8: little kid that I helped take care of and it
Speaker 8: takes a lot of time, as you know, as a father,
Speaker 8: ed a lot of time and a lot of effort
Speaker 8: to raise a child, and I'm just excited that TCL
Speaker 8: has a solution to that problem.
Speaker 5: We can do.
Speaker 8: It's what I've always dreamed, which is that you keep
Speaker 8: like a hamster like feeder and a water like you
Speaker 8: just took up a hose to the room and you
Speaker 8: lock the child in with a robot until they're eighteen
Speaker 8: or twenty like the room exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's perfect.
Speaker 8: You know, as long as you get like one of
Speaker 8: those lights that gives you some sun kind of effect,
Speaker 8: you know, they won't die probably, like and that's ideal.
Speaker 5: Have you introduced this product?
Speaker 2: I I'll introduced Oh wait, no, no, we have not
Speaker 2: just into the disparagement.
Speaker 5: No, I'll move on.
Speaker 6: No, I mean this is in the we had talked
Speaker 6: about how like cute little guys are part of the
Speaker 6: like that again about me, it's but that like this,
Speaker 6: the TCL is the most I looked at this also,
Speaker 6: and they have like a whole little video of like
Speaker 6: a towheaded child interacting with this thing. Yes, and his parents,
Speaker 6: the kid's parents are kind of like standing off to
Speaker 6: the side being like super listen, do you want to
Speaker 6: like go to the movies or whatever?
Speaker 5: But it's the most.
Speaker 6: It's probably the cutest of the cute little guys, but
Speaker 6: then also easily the most sinister, the most evil. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's the most sinister.
Speaker 5: Well, and you stray towheaded.
Speaker 8: I didn't disagree with with Garrison, So I'm wondering how
Speaker 8: you thought, because I felt like they cast that child
Speaker 8: because it looked like he had leukemia definitely.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't want to say anything bad about the kid, right,
Speaker 5: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yes he did.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 6: What he looked like was honestly the scenario you described,
Speaker 6: which is basically like we're growing a child the way
Speaker 6: that people grow mushrooms.
Speaker 5: Yes, in their house. Yes, it looks like.
Speaker 8: Yeah, huge bags under his eyes. Never seen the kiss
Speaker 8: of the sun or his mom.
Speaker 4: You do not know what vitamin sees is, little boy,
Speaker 4: But don't worry or d d well.
Speaker 6: Pfirst robot specifically for children that look the way the
Speaker 6: actor Brad Doroff looks right now, designed for that.
Speaker 5: I don't know who that is.
Speaker 2: I am the host of this fucking thing. You need
Speaker 2: to Okay, so we've also got Phil our bartender. We
Speaker 2: should talk in Hello. Thank you Phil, very good. That's enough,
Speaker 2: thank you. I really don't know how to direct this
Speaker 2: at this point because I invited like seven people into camp. Okay,
Speaker 2: well with us, let's start on an easy point. We'll
Speaker 2: just go around has everyone feeling at this point of
Speaker 2: CS we are at the end. Let's start with Gare
Speaker 2: because you are probably the like second least likely to
Speaker 2: say something legally actionable, and I realized that it is.
Speaker 5: Now a challenge. You haven't had all the conversations I've
Speaker 5: had with care. What am I doing?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I feel fine. It gets I was able to find
Speaker 5: some cool stuff despite having to sort through lots of slop.
Speaker 5: There's always one or two gems at cees that makes
Speaker 5: kind of all like that that makes all of this
Speaker 5: slop sorting worth it. So I was happy to find
Speaker 5: a few of those in Eureka Park. I also had
Speaker 5: my my family no, absolutely not, we're not We're not
Speaker 5: gonna do free publicity. Agreed, that's my job and it
Speaker 5: costs money anyway.
Speaker 2: But no.
Speaker 5: I was also able to have a little bit of fun.
Speaker 5: As soon as I realized that this show is just
Speaker 5: gonna be last year's show again, I kind of relaxed myself,
Speaker 5: being like I can just kind of do what I
Speaker 5: can kind of just like funk off. So I talked
Speaker 5: to a flying car company. It was real. I was
Speaker 5: waiting to interview someone and instead one of their like
Speaker 5: pr guys walk up to me is like, hey, can
Speaker 5: we interview you about your thoughts on this flying car.
Speaker 5: I'm like absolutely, I wish that happened to me, like
Speaker 5: I would just thought I will kill my It was.
Speaker 5: It was every the phrase ces miracle gets used a lot.
Speaker 5: That really was what did you do it?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 5: Oh I did hell and so I talked a lot
Speaker 5: about like my concerns around safety for these flying cars.
Speaker 5: I I predicted it has twenty minutes in the air.
Speaker 5: It was actually it was a huge drone and I
Speaker 5: got exactly right.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 4: It was a.
Speaker 5: Twenty minutes up in the air. It launches from something
Speaker 5: something that looks like a cyber truck. It launches, it
Speaker 5: launches out of the classic and it launches out of
Speaker 5: like the trunk of the cyber truck. You can get
Speaker 5: twenty minutes in the air and then you're gonna crash
Speaker 5: or which is my god, you will have some kind
Speaker 5: of AI assisted landing, And like I asked them, like yeah,
Speaker 5: so I'm crashing what's your plan for that? Like, like,
Speaker 5: what if you're in a populated area and you're like
Speaker 5: and they said, no, well, we'll have guard rail software
Speaker 5: to make sure it doesn't land in populated areas of
Speaker 5: like we have some of the papers from Night Capital.
Speaker 5: I'm launching this thing right in the middle of midtown Manhattan. Oh,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do hover for twenty minutes, And which brings
Speaker 5: me to the second thing that they asked me about
Speaker 5: was like, like, what's you know, what's maybe some of
Speaker 5: your concerns or like, what's the first thing you think of?
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, a few weeks ago, a few weeks ago,
Speaker 5: a Deloitte consultant drove a car into like into fifteen
Speaker 5: people in a in a terrorist attack. Like same day,
Speaker 5: someone used a cyber truck to make a bomb. What
Speaker 5: if some rich guy loses his mind and flies this
Speaker 5: thing into a building and they did not like that?
Speaker 2: Why.
Speaker 5: I don't know what kind of PR trading these guys had.
Speaker 5: I don't know if they were prepared to this.
Speaker 6: Is like good enough PR training that they were Like
Speaker 6: this person seems nice, Let's ask them what they think.
Speaker 2: Turning to my turn to my class, like just killed
Speaker 2: you killed, like just gun in your mind, just don't.
Speaker 2: Don't also diet, like it's the best way you could
Speaker 2: go about this.
Speaker 8: But you would get into commercial aviation and not have
Speaker 8: an answer. The nine to eleven question is is just.
Speaker 5: That's in the past, so I was able to relax
Speaker 5: and have fun, you know, with moments like that, you
Speaker 5: had fun, you know, once it became clear, it was
Speaker 5: just like, you know, like AI software was like the
Speaker 5: king of this year once again, a whole bunch of
Speaker 5: things that used to be like, you know, actually kind
Speaker 5: of like all of the like university projects in Eureka Park,
Speaker 5: which sometimes has like a really cool new thing. Right now,
Speaker 5: all of that creativity is being is just being channeled
Speaker 5: into AI software, and that's in some ways disappointing to
Speaker 5: see some of the Some of the software is like good,
Speaker 5: like it works, it can solve problems, but it's also
Speaker 5: again like it's it's it's part of the slop. There's
Speaker 5: also a lot of slop software.
Speaker 2: I feel like we're in the slop society. I feel
Speaker 2: like we're at this point where everyone here, I think,
Speaker 2: is experiencing some form of mental damage from being here
Speaker 2: too long. Oh yeah, but also the thing, to be clear,
Speaker 2: definitely least the one commonality I have with Robert, which
Speaker 2: is Robert is the only person I've seen exhibit the
Speaker 2: same thing of like the Jokers feel where you're just
Speaker 2: like You're like it gets worse and I get better.
Speaker 2: I'm just fucking suffering, and like the more I suffer,
Speaker 2: the stronger I get, and the more intrigued.
Speaker 5: I get with the more pain I get.
Speaker 6: He's also the only person that I saw that I
Speaker 6: recognized on the floor of the South Hall of the
Speaker 6: Conventions that are where it was just like cell phone cases,
Speaker 6: like not technology, but just like Chinese stuff designed to
Speaker 6: be sold on Amazon.
Speaker 2: That's where Robert his best was.
Speaker 5: And he was he was like locked in.
Speaker 6: I was like hey, and he got like some of
Speaker 6: the way past me was like, do you fucking need
Speaker 6: something or whatever, like, oh man, it's from yesterday.
Speaker 5: Table that we were at. Oh my god.
Speaker 8: In my defense, there were really huge cell phones there,
Speaker 8: like massive, like it literally and inho and a half.
Speaker 5: Thick rugged cell phones.
Speaker 8: Okay, And to look at them, I had to touch them.
Speaker 8: We're not reporting on them, I have nothing to say
Speaker 8: about them.
Speaker 5: I had to feel them.
Speaker 2: Are we establishing that Rubbert Evans accidentally Big Times people,
Speaker 2: is that what we're saying.
Speaker 5: I did not feel big Times. I was just like,
Speaker 5: damn this guy, I will.
Speaker 2: Give the most derisive view of I did not know
Speaker 2: who Robert Evans was before August twenty twenty three, a
Speaker 2: fact I am regularly reminded of by everyone else. They
Speaker 2: mentioned Robert Evans too, Oh my god, the behind the
Speaker 2: Bastards guy, and I was like, Eh, this is a
Speaker 2: fucking guy with the weird avatar. Oh you want to
Speaker 2: do podcasts, but the.
Speaker 5: Fucking ass what you're gonna do about it?
Speaker 2: Mayah need money? It turns out I already a corporation.
Speaker 2: Thank you, no negative statements right now, all of you.
Speaker 2: I actually need this. But nevertheless, it is really fun
Speaker 2: being here with Robert because Robert again is one of
Speaker 2: the only people who experiences CS in the way I do,
Speaker 2: which is the Metallica song Frantic, where you're just like,
Speaker 2: it's not great but you're here, Oh yeah, and it
Speaker 2: kind of bangs, but not for the reasons everyone else
Speaker 2: feels totally sat anger fans line up all three of us.
Speaker 2: But it's also really fun being here this time because
Speaker 2: last year I was but a babe and very nervous.
Speaker 2: Now I'm just like, oh no, you wade into it
Speaker 2: with like your pants off, like you're just like I
Speaker 2: will see everything.
Speaker 8: And speaking of Metallica, I heard a pretty good Master
Speaker 8: of Puppets cover at the MGM Grand in the top
Speaker 8: three covers of Master of Puppets I've heard on that
Speaker 8: exact same stage at the MGM Grand.
Speaker 2: No longer interested in the text.
Speaker 5: So where was this? It was right near the ski ball.
Speaker 2: Okay, well I know where we're going. Dinner is canceled, fellas,
Speaker 2: That's where I'm going. But it is interesting because talking
Speaker 2: to the various reporters here about CS and why we
Speaker 2: do this, and no one can answer that question. But
Speaker 2: the way, it's just like I we're all fucking here
Speaker 2: every January. But it has been interesting. Gang one of
Speaker 2: four reports, like Kylin ging it could happen here, Robin,
Speaker 2: gare gang ed and Dave in like truly like I
Speaker 2: don't want to say objective, but like fresh looks. And
Speaker 2: then Robert and Gare of course, who are very much
Speaker 2: used to Robert is a separate creature. I mean that
Speaker 2: with more love than I could ever put into my voice.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting to get this few and then bring
Speaker 2: reports in and talk and they're like, yeah, well we're
Speaker 2: here and we saw stuff. But there's also an ephemera
Speaker 2: that is kind of hard to cover an objective journalism.
Speaker 5: Kyle totally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I thought that my main takeaway from the
Speaker 3: week was the politics of it.
Speaker 1: I mean from I was at Panasonic's.
Speaker 3: Keynote and immediately you had people from the Consumer Tech
Speaker 3: Association talking about tariffs. I mean I walked by people
Speaker 3: wearing Department of Government efficiency shirts.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, which was really interesting.
Speaker 2: Did you hit them? No?
Speaker 1: Right, did not.
Speaker 2: I'll take care of it. No, no, don't crime so bad.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, tariffs were just such a thing.
Speaker 3: I think a scene in articles I wrote about it.
Speaker 3: They were just kind of looming over the entire event,
Speaker 3: and it seems like, i mean, Trump coming in pretty
Speaker 3: pretty soon. It is just kind of hanging over everyone's
Speaker 3: heads on top of all the tech. So I mean,
Speaker 3: is that what, Who's Who's Donald Trump?
Speaker 5: Trump?
Speaker 2: No? Sorry, I'm drinking a bit. Yeah, I mean I'm
Speaker 2: trying to think of the political feeling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's a political feeling there, and at the
Speaker 3: same time, CES is happening. You're seeing this shift from
Speaker 3: meta that's just just I mean, especially on their their
Speaker 3: new policies regarding comments about trans and and just other
Speaker 3: vegan people.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what was it, something like you're allowed to say
Speaker 5: don't repeat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no I'm not.
Speaker 2: But it's basically you can just insult trans people, you
Speaker 2: can sell get without any issue, Jewish people.
Speaker 5: You can refer to women as property too, and you
Speaker 5: can actually I really like, I mean at this point,
Speaker 5: I'm just like you could say, well, I think it
Speaker 5: actually is worth mentioning, like specifically, like the types of
Speaker 5: like insults around like mental illness that you're now allowed
Speaker 5: to call to like call queer people but not call
Speaker 5: other types of people. Actually is worth actually is worth mentioning.
Speaker 5: Like it's a it's a huge change.
Speaker 2: It's just an interesting show because it desperately wants to
Speaker 2: be a political, a moral totally bereft of these feelings,
Speaker 2: but it still shows it in the things they show,
Speaker 2: the collection of data, the kind of surveillance aspect. And
Speaker 2: it sucks because it feels like this show could be
Speaker 2: better because on the fringes of the conversations we've had
Speaker 2: of like, yeah, everyone's creating solutions for problems that they
Speaker 2: haven't even come up with yet. You get these things,
Speaker 2: the skin care product, the caine for blind people that
Speaker 2: can tell you what's coming up, really useful things, the
Speaker 2: translation stuff exactly, like yeah, like actual translation for a conference,
Speaker 2: so you could go to a conference in Taiwan and
Speaker 2: actually computext one of the most important conferences in the world.
Speaker 5: Really some really impressive like tech to assist people who
Speaker 5: are disabled. Yeah, I thought accessibility tech was like my
Speaker 5: main Hi. Yeah, a lot of good That's what Eureka
Speaker 5: was best at show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird that Eureka.
Speaker 8: The Poisonville actually had some good shit in it for that,
Speaker 8: and it had I would say the one like consistent
Speaker 8: like form factor for consumer tech that seems to be
Speaker 8: getting a lot better every year, and that reminds me
Speaker 8: of like how phones and tablets felt ten years ago.
Speaker 8: Is glasses tell me like they're getting smaller, they're getting
Speaker 8: more capable. I'm seeing like glasses that are designed for navigation,
Speaker 8: that are designed for recording. I did see to what
Speaker 8: you were saying about politics. A lot of glasses with
Speaker 8: that were specifically marketed based on their ability to aid
Speaker 8: TikTok that I'm like in a week that might not be.
Speaker 5: Such a good business. Well, yeah, yeah, I had a
Speaker 5: full conversation with someone speaking Chinese. Yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely
Speaker 5: the same.
Speaker 2: King That is objectively very cool.
Speaker 5: It's great.
Speaker 2: And was it a conversation with Nuance like it was?
Speaker 5: Yeah, more than I'd have been able to do, you
Speaker 5: know on my before we talked about making specific specific
Speaker 5: dinner plans, what we do for work a real coper too.
Speaker 2: This is the thing that I I and I've said
Speaker 2: this many times in episodes. I'm not anti tech. I
Speaker 2: wish tech was able to do the thing they promised,
Speaker 2: but I love technology. The only reason I know literally
Speaker 2: every person I'm looking at in this room is through posting.
Speaker 2: And I'm not even kidding. And this is the sickening
Speaker 2: thing that upsets my father. No, my dad's very proud.
Speaker 2: My therapist kind of like my multiple lawyers. Anyway, the
Speaker 2: idea that one can do that, but the internet and
Speaker 2: tech is fully capable of making these wonderful connections like genuine.
Speaker 2: I laugh about the Robert Evans think he found me
Speaker 2: through a podcast called Western KOBOOKI with my friend Caleb
Speaker 2: Wilson June and other people who are wonderful Alex as well,
Speaker 2: like the great podcasts and these all digital things, tech
Speaker 2: is fully capable. As much as I can be cynical
Speaker 2: and angry about this stuff, the reason I'm fucking angry
Speaker 2: is it's fully capable of helping people. And we've all
Speaker 2: experien that.
Speaker 6: That was the bit that I sort of was struck
Speaker 6: by again as like sort of somebody who hasn't covered
Speaker 6: this stuff as much and has had sort of, you know,
Speaker 6: the same sort of experience like a normal middle aged
Speaker 6: person's experience of tech. I was blown away by the
Speaker 6: capacities of the things that were there. I mean, like
Speaker 6: I didn't realize that it was like you could have
Speaker 6: a conversation with someone speaking in other language.
Speaker 5: Like I didn't see anything that that cool.
Speaker 6: But the accessibility tech stuff for me too, Like I
Speaker 6: found not just really impressive but really like heartening to
Speaker 6: see that. The bit that was strange and we obviously,
Speaker 6: like we have talked about this in previous episodes and
Speaker 6: stuff is the sort of contortions that are required in
Speaker 6: order to make that marketable in a way that like
Speaker 6: it's not like it's not a niche market to be
Speaker 6: like an old person or to be disabled like one
Speaker 6: way or another. That's like most people will experience that
Speaker 6: at some point in there. Yeah, and yet like the
Speaker 6: way that you have to sort of this is something
Speaker 6: that really struck me from yesterday that we talked about,
Speaker 6: you know enough that I probably shouldn't be bring it
Speaker 6: back up again that like you still have to come
Speaker 6: up with some sort of like industrial application to it,
Speaker 6: or you have to say AI or you have to
Speaker 6: do this stuff that in order to get people to
Speaker 6: invest in this stuff, which is expensive to develop and
Speaker 6: expensive to produce, you have to say the words that
Speaker 6: the money.
Speaker 5: People want to hear.
Speaker 6: The mod which is also like another of the sort
Speaker 6: of political aspects here that you've got this like in
Speaker 6: some ways many in many ways like a sort of
Speaker 6: tempted not to use this word, but I will say
Speaker 6: that it is like a good hearted intention. It feels like,
Speaker 6: especially with the disability attech, that is like actually aimed
Speaker 6: at using this new human capability to make people's lives better.
Speaker 6: And yet you still have to fucking pitch it the
Speaker 6: sociopaths if you want to get the thing made.
Speaker 2: And I say this is someone who runs a fairly
Speaker 2: successful podcast. I have fifty one thousand subscribers. I have
Speaker 2: a successful be off them. I've had emails about this.
Speaker 2: I have dyspraxia, which is a coordination disability. It limits
Speaker 2: my I'm wearing zip up boots, which look I'll bang in,
Speaker 2: but I can't tie my shoes. And this is an
Speaker 2: embarrassing thing about my life. I fucking hate tying things.
Speaker 2: I physically can't do it. And you explain it to
Speaker 2: people and they laugh, which is really good with something
Speaker 2: that you're very upset about that people love to be
Speaker 2: laughed at for that. I don't think people realize the
Speaker 2: capacity for technology to bridge the gap between your own bodies.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say failure, but inability to fully
Speaker 2: complete an action. And I think people are myself included
Speaker 2: at times exactly, but technology is one of the greatest
Speaker 2: What was that you said again, Jesus Christ, assistive aid
Speaker 2: Thank you assistive aids. And I nearly fucked it up again. Nevertheless,
Speaker 2: technology for me is a person has been something that's
Speaker 2: allowed me to bridge with so many of you. I
Speaker 2: will tear up on the fucking show people. I love
Speaker 2: people that I've been able to experience through their own
Speaker 2: writing and connections to them. But most of CS isn't
Speaker 2: fucking this. It's about bridging gaps between my people and
Speaker 2: money people to another money person so they can sell
Speaker 2: nothing to nobody.
Speaker 5: Totally.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean that's one of the things that's disheartening
Speaker 8: is I was at like the Samsung booth, which is massive.
Speaker 8: You know, it's the size of a very large house,
Speaker 8: like a mansion, and every square foot is tens of
Speaker 8: thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars in terms of
Speaker 8: what the cost to rent it and the cost to
Speaker 8: Like these displays they've got are very advanced. A lot
Speaker 8: of effort is just going into making the presentation as
Speaker 8: advanced as possible. And what I'm saying on display there
Speaker 8: is like, well, we've got a fridge that lets you
Speaker 8: know when your milk is off, and at the cost
Speaker 8: of you can never ever have a guy over to
Speaker 8: repair your fridge, never, never again.
Speaker 5: And you compare that too and Eureka Park.
Speaker 8: Today we saw a company who had a small booth
Speaker 8: that was maybe like four feet wide five feet wide
Speaker 8: called Knaki in a qi that their attempt was to
Speaker 8: develop like a way to allow people to control computers
Speaker 8: and interface with their machine with their phone in a
Speaker 8: way that is similar to how neuralink works, but without
Speaker 8: any sort of surgery.
Speaker 5: So it's an earpiece you wear in your head.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we kind of made fun of this, but
Speaker 2: if this is real, awesome.
Speaker 5: It seemed to like we like the use case.
Speaker 4: We like the use case for people who are not
Speaker 4: able bodied. But what happened when we came up to
Speaker 4: the booth, The first pitch we got was for retail,
Speaker 4: and then the interest in it was like, Noah, what's
Speaker 4: real is you can use this if you are someone
Speaker 4: who's not really able to use your arms or to
Speaker 4: move the rest of your body. You can slightly tilt
Speaker 4: it and that makes more sense than like being able
Speaker 4: to do a sort of like a retail cashier U
Speaker 4: secondary labor productivity aim.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean there was a because, like my mind
Speaker 8: was very much geared towards quadriplegics, but not just but
Speaker 8: the other because it won't work if you have as
Speaker 8: long as you have that muscular control like above your neck,
Speaker 8: like it will work because it reads micro gestures of
Speaker 8: your face and them the live demo they did, you
Speaker 8: could see the signal coming into the phone when he
Speaker 8: would make micro gestures and it would like it would
Speaker 8: you know, control the phone. So it's it seems like
Speaker 8: it works. I can also see I can't see like
Speaker 8: a retail app for like you've got your smart glasses
Speaker 8: while you're biking.
Speaker 2: Fucking works because we talked about it, it seemed to.
Speaker 5: But it's like, but it seemed I don't have the
Speaker 5: ability to like sound though they did.
Speaker 4: A conceptual yeah that so this is the thing because
Speaker 4: I think also there were three or four of them
Speaker 4: where it's.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, there were there were variations.
Speaker 8: There was the one that was like almost like a
Speaker 8: retainer that you put in and it gave you the
Speaker 8: same It was a similar sort of idea.
Speaker 5: Yeah you use your sorry sorry, yeah you used your
Speaker 5: tongue for it.
Speaker 6: We were struck by that because it was a guy
Speaker 6: standing completely still with no expression on his face and
Speaker 6: a bunch of people standing around him recording them on
Speaker 6: their phones like this is like you've entered the daw Da.
Speaker 5: Section of the here Eureka Park.
Speaker 8: But but all of those booths together were like a
Speaker 8: tenth of Samsung's booth, and all of them were people
Speaker 8: utilizing significant ingenuity to attempt to solve problems For real
Speaker 8: human beings who were suffering as opposed to the Samsung booth,
Speaker 8: which was this massive edifice of capital attempting to solve
Speaker 8: the problem of like, well, what if your milk goes bad?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, and you know, and that's the thing
Speaker 4: I think also, you know, to this like inventive stuff
Speaker 4: was the most interesting of a few friends when you're
Speaker 4: degenerative diseases and like the you know, some of the
Speaker 4: stuff that gets made and offered to be able to
Speaker 4: give finer control over tasks that you need to do,
Speaker 4: especially when you have sudden jumpson what you're you know,
Speaker 4: you're able to do or not do very impressive. But
Speaker 4: then like kind of similar to what you were just saying,
Speaker 4: sometimes you actually you literally can't get that made unless
Speaker 4: you have to clonjure up some sort of secondary application,
Speaker 4: which is a shame and a problem with how tech
Speaker 4: innovation proceeds, right, because.
Speaker 2: You must show growth. You must be like this is
Speaker 2: how this is going.
Speaker 4: To tell There should be no reason why you have
Speaker 4: to consider anything other than that mediate and and an
Speaker 4: urgent use case, which is like someone losing the ability
Speaker 4: to communicate with the outside of regulatory avoidance.
Speaker 9: So from the earlier conversation we've had several times regarding
Speaker 9: regulatory power and authorized medical devices. So all of these
Speaker 9: products I have, I've sounded negative where you're trying to
Speaker 9: skirt and avoid these requirements. However, the agencies that certify
Speaker 9: them to want to help people. They want people to
Speaker 9: go through this process. So these are the things that
Speaker 9: the FDA loves to see. And it's hopeful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the I guess you talking about capital.
Speaker 3: I mean, the main worry is that if there's no
Speaker 3: growth opportunity for a product, then there's no investment, and
Speaker 3: and that's just it just kills products that have a
Speaker 3: one you know, use purpose.
Speaker 1: Uh and there that's all there is to it, because
Speaker 1: that's all there needs to be to it.
Speaker 3: And I think that's one thing that struck me as well,
Speaker 3: is everything needs to have beld and whistles that aren't
Speaker 3: usually necessary.
Speaker 2: So one of the themes I've discussed on this show
Speaker 2: is the rock economy, the idea that everything has growth
Speaker 2: or costs. And some of you, at the very beginning
Speaker 2: with very unfair, you're saying that he's just angry at nothing.
Speaker 2: I'm angry at everything.
Speaker 5: I love that when you do you Donald Trump voice.
Speaker 5: I can tell now I turn my head, but it's.
Speaker 2: I hope it's been obvious how pernicious this problem is
Speaker 2: because there are companies doing really useful things, and I
Speaker 2: talk about my dyspraxia because I don't know whatever platform
Speaker 2: I have. I want people to realize, if you fucking
Speaker 2: have this and someone makes fun of you, give me
Speaker 2: their email. I will personally make them regret being online.
Speaker 2: This is a personal thing. I was bullied, I will
Speaker 2: bully back, very unfair to them. But the point is
Speaker 2: there are real solutions, the real problems, real things being
Speaker 2: fixed today by companies that actually raising money. And then
Speaker 2: you've got the Samsung milk simulate that uses generative AI
Speaker 2: to assume when your milk won't go bad, as opposed
Speaker 2: to look into the fucking top and it'll bandar you
Speaker 2: a little bit, and the Bailey bought the Wooks and
Speaker 2: your milk has expired.
Speaker 8: I did see a product that I would say was
Speaker 8: my best in show in terms of products that you
Speaker 8: see an ad for in the first three minutes of
Speaker 8: a zombie movie and then it causes the outbreak and
Speaker 8: like that's the end of the world scenario, and it
Speaker 8: was called Vera Doxo. It's a product that generates a
Speaker 8: miss noise sweeps over your fruits and vegetables to stop.
Speaker 5: The most spoilt using plasma plasma. And here's the thing
Speaker 5: they explained this to me.
Speaker 8: They said, it extends the shelf life of like you
Speaker 8: can put this little box up and it'll it'll get
Speaker 8: the missed over groceries in your kitchen, or you can
Speaker 8: use it in like a in a grocery store to
Speaker 8: get all of the great and it'll extend the shelf
Speaker 8: life by thirty three percent. And that's a real thing
Speaker 8: that's massive, right, Like this, I have no ability to
Speaker 8: vet this based on what I know from Like I'm
Speaker 8: like absolutely no ability to bet.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna hat that missed I'm not I'm gonna huff
Speaker 5: that I did.
Speaker 8: Buddy, didn't get high, so tasteless as far as I'm
Speaker 8: so quick question anyone.
Speaker 6: It's like, if that's a shelf life of your vegetables
Speaker 6: leaves you glowing, youthful, ye, and then also like there's
Speaker 6: like a seventy percent chance you grow tail. Hey hey, hey,
Speaker 6: whoam Yeah you're trying to not sell Some people are
Speaker 6: that that's like the most innocuous, like that actually sounds good,
Speaker 6: like it's similar to something you would see and they just.
Speaker 5: Called it like like doom slayer, like but it's for
Speaker 5: your cucumbers, like we just we thought it sounded cool, volunteer.
Speaker 2: But also two things, Well, let's just focus on one,
Speaker 2: which is what the fuck does the miss what's made?
Speaker 8: The way they explained it is that it's a my
Speaker 8: and it kills before you actually get like molds starting
Speaker 8: to form. It kills them, so it extends a period
Speaker 8: of time the molds. It's so far just the mold,
Speaker 8: it's said. Because I asked if it was dangerous and
Speaker 8: they said no, I have no ability to visit the
Speaker 8: vera Ox people at this moment. I'm not trying to
Speaker 8: shit on that. Maybe this will massively improve the world, Okay,
Speaker 8: it just seemed like a product that caused the apocalypse,
Speaker 8: Like okay, that was when somebody said we.
Speaker 5: Make it agent vera Dux. This is like, oh, you're
Speaker 5: going to kill everyone I love.
Speaker 4: Okay, great, taking a wet market that's spread from a bag.
Speaker 2: So many nine inch nails fans here like a year
Speaker 2: zero I'm thinking of this is the big hand from
Speaker 2: the year zero.
Speaker 8: Yeah again, this scene right now could be the start
Speaker 8: of the Apocalypse movie, you know.
Speaker 5: Okay, one of us who's alive in three weeks like
Speaker 5: it is thinking back to this as they're fighting off
Speaker 5: viad ox. Use again to complain about the end of.
Speaker 2: Jiu Jitsu Kaisen, the manga, I'm going to just really
Speaker 2: put this in them.
Speaker 4: How did you want Jujitsu Kien to end?
Speaker 5: Okay, welcome? Did you want to get again? What you
Speaker 5: want going to take a break?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, the people of the Jiu Jitsu
Speaker 2: High School thing, they do very unfair to mister Ryan
Speaker 2: and Suker All. They spend a lot of time building
Speaker 2: up abilities that do not manifest into an interest in
Speaker 2: these real people are these and I'm being very you
Speaker 2: made this podcast happen. Consequent the ending of Jiu Jitsu
Speaker 2: Kaisen involves a bit where Ryan mister Ryan and Sukiner
Speaker 2: mister Sto Go Joe. He's very unfairly treated. They show
Speaker 2: him winning a battle and then at the end of
Speaker 2: the battle he's dead. He's treated so unfair, and then
Speaker 2: it's just a simple dream sequence, which is very unfair.
Speaker 5: For Rigged, unfair for mister Ran and seeking now I'm thinking. Now,
Speaker 5: I'm thinking I have a different trumpet person. I am
Speaker 5: so sorry, I can see.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that this is how David Roth feels about
Speaker 2: the Mets. So I'll move us back to the podcast
Speaker 2: as we wrap this bad Boy up.
Speaker 5: I have no ability to vet it based on the conversation.
Speaker 2: I have you never will. I genuinely want to thank
Speaker 2: everyone else in this room because we're doing another episode tomorrow.
Speaker 2: But this show has been conceptually one of the more
Speaker 2: insane things I have done, and I must give real
Speaker 2: credit to Sophie Lichtman, who is one of the hardest
Speaker 2: working and also most patient people in history.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and so oh yeah, she.
Speaker 2: Is the only person who can really move Robert oh yeah,
Speaker 2: who is one of the comment single most talented people
Speaker 2: I've met in my fucking life. And my comment there
Speaker 2: we go. And Robert turned to me a year ago
Speaker 2: and said, you seem to be more pissed off at
Speaker 2: these people than anyone And he was wrong, only because
Speaker 2: I was yet to get pissed off enough. Robert has
Speaker 2: been insanely supported of me in a creative means that
Speaker 2: no one else has, and honestly, everyone in this room
Speaker 2: has Geb turned to me and said, you seem to
Speaker 2: just be a series of grievances, and Gare was completely correct.
Speaker 5: It has been so fun hearing you get progressively more
Speaker 5: angry over the course of a year. It's it's been
Speaker 5: a real treasure and I mean it sincerely.
Speaker 2: I say this as someone who is a pair of yours.
Speaker 2: The work you make seems to get better every episode,
Speaker 2: and you're incredible at it. Thank you so much.
Speaker 8: You're getting none of this, Robert, You're just very good around.
Speaker 8: I say this as someone who is profiting off of you.
Speaker 8: Are you in a stanton?
Speaker 5: Should we should we make what that is like just
Speaker 5: hard medication. I'm just I'm just worried, dude.
Speaker 2: I am like the healthiest I've ever been, Like my
Speaker 2: v O two Max is like doing well, like and
Speaker 2: my dog just really happy. They don't know what I
Speaker 2: did ever since.
Speaker 5: I got a via dox. And that's another Cees miracle,
Speaker 5: which which leads which leads me to the which leads
Speaker 5: me to the last thing that I'll say is the
Speaker 5: first thing we all said on episode one is this
Speaker 5: feels like the Cees from last year, and we're not
Speaker 5: the only ones to think true last night, I was
Speaker 5: at the chandelier in the Cosmo. That is the place.
Speaker 5: Now we can write off the drinks and thank you.
Speaker 5: There we go and Robert I was sitting at the
Speaker 5: bar and Robert was upstairs waiting for a table and
Speaker 5: we got a table. Hard to do, and I said,
Speaker 5: it's another Cees miracle. There's a There was two people
Speaker 5: sitting next to me who turned was like, what's see, yes,
Speaker 5: or there was two people sitting next to me who
Speaker 5: turned and said, what Cees are you going to? This
Speaker 5: is this has been terrible and I I had a great,
Speaker 5: if if brief conversation with these people who were two exhibitors.
Speaker 5: Now I was a bad journalist, I was, I was
Speaker 5: too drunk. I did not I did not learn which
Speaker 5: company they were from. But there were two people who
Speaker 5: were exhibiting a CES and like, this feels just like
Speaker 5: last year's Cees. I was like, yes, this is what
Speaker 5: me and all my friends have been saying, like it is.
Speaker 5: It has been so disappointing. And it's not just us,
Speaker 5: like you know, somewhat tech critical journalists. It's people who
Speaker 5: actually like go to Cees to present who are saying
Speaker 5: the exact same thing. Like, yeah, this is this is
Speaker 5: last year's CES, but worse because there's nothing new. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and and this is like I did not feed them this.
Speaker 5: They turned to me and said this like unprompted, and
Speaker 5: they're like, what kind of miracles are you seeing? Like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: no no, that was sarcastic.
Speaker 8: It's remarkable to see. And David, I'm gonn guess yournees
Speaker 8: are about as bad as mine. But starting out in
Speaker 8: twenty ten, like right after kind of the iPad came out,
Speaker 8: there was so much excitement every year of like I'd
Speaker 8: never seen a thing that could do this. Every year,
Speaker 8: I'd never seen a thing that could do like and
Speaker 8: I would that would be every like room I walked
Speaker 8: into every like thirty minutes, I would see a thing
Speaker 8: that was like I didn't know technology could do that
Speaker 8: until this exact second.
Speaker 5: And that's just not CS anymore.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's like even as like a soft
Speaker 6: touch you can be impressed by, like a cool new
Speaker 6: TV screen. It's not the first TV screen, you know,
Speaker 6: not to brag, but there is like, yeah, there's certainly
Speaker 6: that sense. It's interesting that like the people that are
Speaker 6: showing here were also kind of like what am I doing?
Speaker 5: Like, I feel what am I doing here?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think the and what batt Roughline has tried
Speaker 2: to do with this entire show is CS is a
Speaker 2: combination of people who don't want to be here and
Speaker 2: do want to be here, And a lot of the
Speaker 2: people that want to be here are the people that
Speaker 2: already live here to sell services to those who are visiting.
Speaker 2: But the fundamental problem with CES is that the show
Speaker 2: itself doesn't seem to be serving the use case of
Speaker 2: making things happen in the future. It's like, how can
Speaker 2: we make the present continue for longer? Yes? And the
Speaker 2: thing is something I've tried to do with this, and
Speaker 2: I should be clear about what this is. Everything you're
Speaker 2: hearing this week is something I came up with about
Speaker 2: five weeks ago. I wanted to do this. I booked
Speaker 2: this months ago, Robert then booked much later. It could
Speaker 2: happen here, and Robert, please get it.
Speaker 5: I was hungover at all. He is.
Speaker 2: Actually, Sophie is so much stronger willed, and that's very true,
Speaker 2: willing to respond. But Robert has been an incredible mentor.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to be sentimental and you're just gonna
Speaker 2: have to fucking suck it up. All Right, We're an
Speaker 2: award nominated podcast. I can do whatever the hell I want.
Speaker 2: But what I think this show needs going forward is
Speaker 2: more independent voices. And it means bringing in people like
Speaker 2: Kyle from Las Vegas Suck and allowing them to speak
Speaker 2: because it isn't so much. The problem these journalists can't
Speaker 2: say what they want is that formats demand things in
Speaker 2: certain ways, and the way to talk about tech is
Speaker 2: no longer as flat as and the product exists or
Speaker 2: tech company sucks. I can do both, but the thing
Speaker 2: is having these different voices, having these people talk about
Speaker 2: their experience of CS is on some level an explanation
Speaker 2: of how the tech industry feels. They're in this thing
Speaker 2: where you have this dichotomy between this vast millieaure of
Speaker 2: different things that are like, hey, what if this happened,
Speaker 2: you'd then give me money. What would that be? Like, Well,
Speaker 2: I'd have the money, and then you'd have the product
Speaker 2: and did something good happen?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 2: I don't care. And then you have these people like
Speaker 2: I'm gonna fucking solve people with eye twitches, people with
Speaker 2: twitching in their eye, which turns out to be a
Speaker 2: huge industry of people who are genuinely fucking suffering people
Speaker 2: with way bigger problems, like mobility problems, having that problem
Speaker 2: solved in real time. But the people that get talked
Speaker 2: about I have the most massive television, and no, I
Speaker 2: actually take that back.
Speaker 5: It's not even the big TV.
Speaker 2: I want a larger TV. I want like a two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty inch fucker. I want to watch the
Speaker 2: Raiders lose.
Speaker 5: Well that was so.
Speaker 8: I had a moment at the Samsung with and they
Speaker 8: were showing off one of those transparent TVs and there
Speaker 8: was a lady who's hold another one another one.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm probably the same was No, that was LG.
Speaker 2: Last year it was LG.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was LG. Yeah, yeah, I it
Speaker 5: all blurs together.
Speaker 8: There was a lady behind a transparent TV whose whole
Speaker 8: job was when the TV went transparent, to waverhand behind it,
Speaker 8: and I was like.
Speaker 5: That's that's your job.
Speaker 8: And it was this recognition as they're like walking as
Speaker 8: we Garrison and I sat through a guy who played
Speaker 8: us Ai generated Scot and tried to convince this that
Speaker 8: we did we know a lot. They needed musicians, even great.
Speaker 5: I would know No.
Speaker 8: The next time someone played that is a situation it was.
Speaker 8: It is very much a following down situation, yes, but
Speaker 8: the realization that, like there is a chunk of guys
Speaker 8: running big tech who will see holding your hand behind
Speaker 8: the transparent TV is a thing that human beings should do,
Speaker 8: but not making music, and like that that upsets me.
Speaker 2: It's just it's frustrating because entering into this and the
Speaker 2: format that I created in a Google dog three weeks ago,
Speaker 2: and some of some people even read it. Uh. The
Speaker 2: goal was to try and pull out how the show
Speaker 2: affects people and indeed the implications of this show do.
Speaker 2: I'm now going to return to the sentimental bit I
Speaker 2: was diverted by. I want to thank every single fucking
Speaker 2: person who listened to this but also joined me on this.
Speaker 2: Gare Davis one of these single insanely young and in
Speaker 2: a non specific way, I realize the single most talented
Speaker 2: person to come into anything associated with tech, insanely young,
Speaker 2: but also is insanely presient and aware of the social
Speaker 2: issues but also the context of basically everything they look at.
Speaker 2: Robert Evans the single most focused but disorganized person I've
Speaker 2: ever met, but also someone who cares so deeply and
Speaker 2: has such an innate talent at finding talent and empowering
Speaker 2: those voices. Without Robert Evans, I would not have done this,
Speaker 2: and I did try and like wave him off when
Speaker 2: he offered the podcast to me, I was like, yeah, mate,
Speaker 2: show you a fucking budget down even is in the
Speaker 2: actual jack off gesture in front of the computer. Robert
Speaker 2: and Sophie Lichtman, who will never get enough compliments and
Speaker 2: by the way, universal law with better offline. If you
Speaker 2: don't love Sophie, I will fucking kill you, not literally,
Speaker 2: but I will think about it very fucking aggressively. Robert
Speaker 2: has actually have faith in me that most people haven't,
Speaker 2: and the result is a fucking successful tech podcast that
Speaker 2: does things more successfully than most of the tech podcasts
Speaker 2: out there. Otherwise, Robert supports Gare, who has been so
Speaker 2: incredible and will do better work than I will ever do.
Speaker 2: But you know what, that's what doing good ship is
Speaker 2: knowing the people who do things well.
Speaker 8: What I've been really excited about this year is getting
Speaker 8: to meet David and Edward and now getting this is
Speaker 8: the first time we're in a room together.
Speaker 1: But it's not we talked yesterday.
Speaker 5: Oh Ship, I was so drunk, So sorry Kyle during
Speaker 5: the panel, During the panel the disinformation, Oh no, no,
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 8: I was just just high on mushrooms. Oh okay, and
Speaker 8: I've got some creative still in my part.
Speaker 4: I'm okay.
Speaker 2: I was trying to do like a sincere moment. Now
Speaker 2: let Robert finish his fucking thing.
Speaker 8: I was just saying, like, it's been very exciting to
Speaker 8: get to meet these folks, some of whom I had
Speaker 8: been reading for a while, or some of Moore. I'm
Speaker 8: excited to start reading and get to like make these
Speaker 8: connections because in a cees that is so anti human.
Speaker 8: It's nice to make connections to people.
Speaker 2: And I'm about to harpoon you with sincerity. Robert and
Speaker 2: Sophie have been the single and geare as well have
Speaker 2: been the most single supportive creatives I've ever fucking worked
Speaker 2: with my in life. I have had issues with believing
Speaker 2: in myself and believing what I can do. I have talent, whatever,
Speaker 2: Like who fucking cares? Email me? You're mad were you're
Speaker 2: listening to this little pig? But the thing is these
Speaker 2: people beyond when even a year ago, I didn't think
Speaker 2: I could fucking do this, And now look at me.
Speaker 2: I'm a fucking ultra ponce and it rocks. And I
Speaker 2: believe what cool Zone Media does is the future of
Speaker 2: fucking creativity. The idea that a big corporation can give
Speaker 2: someone multiple seasons to work out their audience and work
Speaker 2: out what they're building. You look at it behind the
Speaker 2: bustards could happen here, sixteenth minute politics, cool people who
Speaker 2: did cool stuf. There is so much cool shit that
Speaker 2: comes out of the idea of damn, what if you
Speaker 2: give people more time to build something than seven minutes?
Speaker 2: What if you didn't rush them to make something good? Better?
Speaker 2: Offline at the beginning was fucking rough, but we worked
Speaker 2: it out and you people seem to like it, and
Speaker 2: the people in this room are fucking adored. But don't
Speaker 2: We're not done. Phil Broughton over there feel brought in
Speaker 2: health physicist East picked me up two or three times,
Speaker 2: and I've been like shaping my pants, not literally, I've
Speaker 2: never shipped my pants around you. Let's not talk about
Speaker 2: that further. But the truth is Phil has been here
Speaker 2: for multiple CS's tending bar, grabbed the Mikey motherfucker tending
Speaker 2: bar for people and utimately doing the thing of asking
Speaker 2: them why they are here. I think that is the
Speaker 2: most valuable thing you can do in the consumer electronics show,
Speaker 2: asking people the reason they are there and finding out
Speaker 2: what it is they actually fucking cared about. And you
Speaker 2: do that so well while also serving various bourbons. And
Speaker 2: I was even like a man he replaced them.
Speaker 9: And I like this one, by the way, one of
Speaker 9: my that would be a part of Premium uh cass
Speaker 9: prank Thryer. That was a goddamn journey that made fury
Speaker 9: for weeks finding it film.
Speaker 2: I love you, I love all of you, seriously. Thank you.
Speaker 9: One of the things that made me happy is for
Speaker 9: everyone that I picked up at an elevator. By the
Speaker 9: time we'd hit the twenty eighth floor, I knew what
Speaker 9: I was serving you.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, ma'am. David Roth. David Roth is
Speaker 2: someone I brought here.
Speaker 5: No take the fucking mic. You grab the goddamn mike.
Speaker 2: I will shove it in you out. We all know
Speaker 2: how good I am ed, which is why it's necessary
Speaker 2: to remind people. David Roth is the is actually my
Speaker 2: favorite writer, and he is one of the single most
Speaker 2: empathetic people who understands why people enjoy stuff, and his
Speaker 2: sports writing and cultural writing is genuinely influential over everything
Speaker 2: I've ever done. And I'm absolutely going self indulgent. There's
Speaker 2: nothing a single fucking person in this room could do it.
Speaker 2: Mattasowski is just sitting there being like, yeah, vacuuming up.
Speaker 2: But David Roth being here is like watching the movies
Speaker 2: with eBAM and it's genuinely I'm getting a little emotional.
Speaker 5: But thank you, David, and thanks for having me. For real,
Speaker 5: I feel the same.
Speaker 2: Edward Graso Junior. You are an undiscovered talent and anyone
Speaker 2: fortunate enough to listen to this should now they should
Speaker 2: hire you immediately because when you finally take off, when
Speaker 2: you finally get big enough, you are the single most
Speaker 2: capable grab the microphone.
Speaker 4: Motherfucker, hello, I said, when I get my gun.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's walk back to the guy.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's cut that out on the words, my.
Speaker 5: Matt, this is still keep it in.
Speaker 2: But just to be clear, the gun was a metaphor
Speaker 2: right for my potential.
Speaker 5: I'm really trying. Sorry, no more, no more.
Speaker 2: I know You're not done, ed there are there really
Speaker 2: isn't not the right that it can do the kind
Speaker 2: of labor reporting you do and the understanding of the
Speaker 2: human experience that you can do. You are just at
Speaker 2: the beginning, and I can't wait to bring you back
Speaker 2: on this show and have you do more. I love
Speaker 2: all of you so much. But also, your potential is barey.
Speaker 2: You are, your potential is barely getting started. Is some
Speaker 2: ship you'd see on a CS banner.
Speaker 5: Though, this is the worst.
Speaker 4: This is the worst I'll ever be.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 2: That's right, brother, That's why I put on a hinge
Speaker 2: that I actually might put that on hinge. Any any
Speaker 2: singles want to email me like, that's what's.
Speaker 5: On, darling. I know I've vomited in your car, but
Speaker 5: let me assure you this is the worst I'm ever
Speaker 5: gonna be.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you may think I just meant you,
Speaker 2: so that's true. You came on this show completely, You
Speaker 2: were actually well prepared. You had a laptop out, which
Speaker 2: fucking rocks. You actually like took this seriously much like
Speaker 2: I did with my laptop. Glad that I don't have
Speaker 2: in the preparation I definitely did. Here's the thing. On
Speaker 2: an instinctual level, when your first thought is labor, that
Speaker 2: says a lot about you as a person. It's incredible
Speaker 2: that you immediately jumped to the hospitality workers in this
Speaker 2: city that are before by the various conferences, and you thought,
Speaker 2: how the fuck does this affect them? Because when it
Speaker 2: comes to better offline and what this fucking show actually means,
Speaker 2: it's what the actual effects of technology are on people.
Speaker 2: So thank you for joining us, of course, and please
Speaker 2: keep doing your shit. You're going to be back on
Speaker 2: because we live in the same city we do, and
Speaker 2: I will be finding you.
Speaker 8: God, no, God, somebody more actionable threats in these episodes
Speaker 8: than I'd expected.
Speaker 2: That's not a threat, it's a promise.
Speaker 5: Oh, thank you.
Speaker 2: I would thank me, And then of course to Mattiasowski.
Speaker 2: Manisowski is our producer, and he is the silent party
Speaker 2: who has been sitting here patiently the entire show, working
Speaker 2: through texting me time signals. When I text him I
Speaker 2: have BURBD. He edits that out because it's happened three times.
Speaker 2: I believe Matt. I and I bring up Matt Hughes here,
Speaker 2: my word editor, who has been so patient with him.
Speaker 2: Megan wernstromo over at Penguin, who has also been patient
Speaker 2: reading the dross. I assume she says it's good. But
Speaker 2: back to Mattisowski. Matt has been here since the beginning
Speaker 2: when I was really not fucking confident about this show
Speaker 2: and I was genuinely experiencing like real anxiety and worry.
Speaker 2: Matt encouraged me, work with me and edited. Matt. Love
Speaker 2: you man, Thank you so much for your hard work
Speaker 2: this entire week. Could you come over to the microphone
Speaker 2: and just say hello, Hello. Mattisowski is a protected party.
Speaker 2: If you ever wrong Mattisowski, I will destroy you, actually
Speaker 2: everyone in this room. But really, like, if you fuck
Speaker 2: with Mattasowski, I will actually fucking peck out your eyes
Speaker 2: like a podcast voice, like a big bird if you
Speaker 2: play Final Fantasy fifteen, specifically the zoo Bird, very big bird.
Speaker 2: You've been listening to the better off line CS experience.
Speaker 2: I am so grateful that you've been here, and tomorrow
Speaker 2: you'll get a final wrap up episode. But this is
Speaker 2: really like the rap night. I am actually really grateful
Speaker 2: for everyone who came in. Everyone's really fucking showed up
Speaker 2: and just had an incredible show for a show that
Speaker 2: is so regularly so fucking miserable and so lifeless about
Speaker 2: people that people are imagining rather than real people. And
Speaker 2: everyone's been here and just shown an incredible fucking show.
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful to everyone for being here. Thank you,
Speaker 2: and I'm now going to pass the microphone around, starting
Speaker 2: with Zai, who's been here, Zi please join us? Thank
Speaker 2: you for hi. Hello, You've been wonderful taking photos. Thank you.
Speaker 2: And then we'll now go to Robert Evans. Thank you, Robert.
Speaker 8: I just want everyone to know that you know as
Speaker 8: the verver a ox miss takes your loved ones. Ed
Speaker 8: Ed cares about you.
Speaker 4: Phil.
Speaker 9: I want to thank everyone. It's been a pleasure to
Speaker 9: be here and to serve, to serve and be of service.
Speaker 5: David Roff, thanks very much. It's a good time and
Speaker 5: I feel like I learned a lot.
Speaker 2: Mister Wrongways.
Speaker 4: Had a great time, and I'm not going to make
Speaker 4: any more legally actionable threats.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Coon, you can just say yeah, this was This
Speaker 5: was my first ES.
Speaker 3: Ever, and I really enjoyed figuring out what was real
Speaker 3: and what wasn't and support local journalism.
Speaker 5: Yeah well, and thank you Ed for putting this whole
Speaker 5: space together. This has been a fantastic escape away from
Speaker 5: the show floor. I spent five hours in the Venetian today.
Speaker 5: Coming up here was a wonderful reprieve and you really,
Speaker 5: you really put this all together. So thank you so much,
Speaker 5: and your hard work over the last year on Better
Speaker 5: Offline has been has been lovely, has been lovely to watch.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, and thank you so much for
Speaker 5: your listeners. If you've got to this point, I I'm
Speaker 5: so sorry, but also thank you for your patience. I
Speaker 5: hope I've successfully encapsulated ces. I've given you the various
Speaker 5: joketor positions of the show. Tomorrow you'll have a wonderful
Speaker 5: positive masculinity day. As the remaining crew me Mattasowski, Phil Broughton,
Speaker 5: and Edon Guaiso Junior kind of like smooth.
Speaker 2: Ourselves out, real smooth like. But today's the last day
Speaker 2: of the show. Email me easy or ease ed. If
Speaker 2: you're one of those people at Better Offline dot com,
Speaker 2: please let me know what you thought. A lot of
Speaker 2: you have emailed like we had we didn't have enough
Speaker 2: woman on this We next year we're going to fucking
Speaker 2: correct that. We luckily got victorious Charisa Belle and of
Speaker 2: course Sheerlyn Lowe, who really balanced that out. We'll do
Speaker 2: a better job last last time. Wow, the concept of
Speaker 2: time is fucked up. Nevertheless, we'll do a better job
Speaker 2: next year. And I love your feedback and I actually
Speaker 2: read all the emails. Will I respond to them. It
Speaker 2: gets increasingly harder each each week, which is a good sign,
Speaker 2: I guess. Either way, I'm very grateful for all of you.
Speaker 2: A lot of people have given a lot of people
Speaker 2: given me faith, given my given their faith Jesus Christ
Speaker 2: in the show in the last year, It's only going
Speaker 2: to get better. But next c Yes is going to
Speaker 2: be weirder. Geah has ideas, I have ideas, and it's
Speaker 2: just going to be sharper. It's just going to be weirder.
Speaker 2: You have another episode, There's going to be more Viera
Speaker 2: Nax too. Palpatine will be back.
Speaker 1: Cees twenty twenty four, Part three.
Speaker 2: I'm actually going to try and contact the e mcdummot.
Speaker 2: But anyway, thank you so much for listening. I know
Speaker 2: it's a lot of audio and and I I'm really
Speaker 2: grateful for everyone who contacts I love everyone who listens.
Speaker 2: I genuinely mes so grateful. I am not really good
Speaker 2: at hiding any of like the me in this and
Speaker 2: a lot of podcasts are very performative. I've phil can
Speaker 2: speak to this more than anyone I'm not really good
Speaker 2: at like pretending there is no off switch. I genuinely
Speaker 2: love you all. Thank you for listening. Thank you for
Speaker 2: listening to Better Offline. The editor and composer of the
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