WEBVTT - Better Offline CES 2025: Day 5 - Pt. 2 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:02.880 Also media. 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:18.759 We're still here, We're still in Las Vegas. I'm still 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.040 at Tron and this is still better offline. This is 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:24.440 the second episode of Day five, our last two parter, 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.280 and I was trying to think of something like glib 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:31.319 and kind of sardonic to say, but I'm just gonna 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:33.280 be honest. I've had one of the best weeks of 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.279 my life. I've just been really enjoying myself. We've had 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:40.040 so many really, really great guests. I've got David j 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:45.240 Roth of course from Defecta Hello, and edwardso Jr. Hello, 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.760 And Carl Schernard of the Las Vegas Sun, and all 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:52.199 week has just been awesome. People. Kyle, I talked over you. 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:57.480 I apologize just saying hello. Yeah, that's enough. So Kyle 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:01.520 your Ed's show, Okay, getting ahead of you. No, So 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:03.800 you're a general assignment reporter. Yeah, So what have you 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:04.759 been covering at the show? 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.000 Well, it's pretty unique for me because, you know, a 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:08.840 lot of the media that comes here is from you know, 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:11.640 across the country, across the world looking at whatever new 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.160 text coming and I get to cover from a local 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.600 angle and how it affects Vegas and fifically, you know 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:19.920 what shown here could be implemented in the city in 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:20.959 the next couple of years. 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:22.759 So can you talk a little bit about that. I'm 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:27.080 a local. Yeah, I'm out in Green Valley, Henderson. Well 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:29.760 then no, it's still less Vegas no ate true way. 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.560 Yeah, so yeah, I was. I was talking to a 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:35.039 couple of different companies this week. One of them was 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:39.240 Autonomous Hotel, which is they call it the first AI 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:40.119 powered hotel. 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:41.679 Okay, can you define any of that? 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:43.200 Yeah? 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.160 So, a lot of what that means is collecting a 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.800 lot of user data and then using that to personalize 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.400 kind of the experience of It's also it's a hotel 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:55.680 slash apartment, so there's gonna be some split between there. 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.040 But for the hotel, it's you know, like remembering your 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:02.480 coffee order, what direction like your windows, and then when 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.200 you come direction I like that, No, like if you 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:06.680 like it facing south or west or north? 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:08.880 Oh, sorry for your Okay, that makes most sense for 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:12.399 a second. But being like brutalized by CS long enough 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.760 that I'm just like, okay, man, they got moving windows. 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:18.640 Now, No, the windows I'm I've been I wasn't told this, 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:19.919 but I'm pretty sure they're stationary. 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:22.400 Uh, saying somewhere else. 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.639 So, yeah, there's there's a lot of premig just data 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.320 scraping from the week they were I asked about, you know, 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.760 data privacy and stuff like that. Uh, and they were 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.480 all about, you know, whatever data they collect, is the 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:34.639 user giving it to them? 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:39.720 And did they sell it? I imagine no, they said they were. 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.800 Well, really more regifting in this scenario. 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.520 No, they said, you know, they they're put a lot 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.480 of emphasis on keeping that data very secure. You know, 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:51.240 I was talking with the culinary Union. 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.480 No, no, but sorry I had to push back. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:59.520 secure is not the same as not sharing it. So yeah, 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:05.280 have they been remotely giving on I mean, if the 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:07.639 answer is you don't know, yeah, I'm not sure. No. No, 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:09.400 but this is not a failing on you. This is 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.280 them being like, thank god, thank god, we don't have 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.239 to say. The thing is, which is we are selling 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:18.680 this to the points guy and airlines and hotels, because 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:22.359 that's the thing. These hotels around here are like data warehouse. 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.680 Oh yeah, the amount of shit they collect on you 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.560 is crazy, not just through them. I actually, this is 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:31.040 a question do you know anything about data collection practices here? 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.120 And this is I don't either, So if you. 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:35.680 Don't, I'm not super familiar with it. I mean, surveillance 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.640 is nothing new in Las Vegas. You know, it's not 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:45.480 rare to find hotels working with the government. That's pretty normal. 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:47.280 In what ways they work together. 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:52.600 Oh, you know FBI, if they're looking for something I'm not. 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:53.840 I honestly don't know these. 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.680 If there's even because I love living here, but I'm 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:02.120 also a weird, greasy freak and I understand what Vegas is, 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:03.640 which is you walk in here if you're not being 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:05.360 to Vegas, so you haven't spent a lot of time here. 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:09.000 There are cameras everywhere, Yeah, everywhere you go. Not in 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:12.559 the rooms, I think, but in the hallways, in the casinos, 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.159 and there are You may think that the scariest place 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.719 cameras can look at you is a bank. It's actually 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:23.160 a casino. They are they are watching and you can 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.599 make the glip to ooh the iron sky. No for real, though, 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.560 it's one of the safest places to be, yeah, because 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.919 they are watching you, and they're watching you because you 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.400 could do stuff with their money, which is not good. 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.960 But anyway, continue, So you've seen this this AI powered hotel, Yeah, 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:39.839 and it's it's. 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:41.520 Opening next couple months. 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:42.960 Which one is? Where is it? 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.680 It's actually by Allegiant. It's like, I think, like a 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:47.920 mile away from Legion. It's not on this trail. 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:49.479 Oh, so it's one of the closer places. 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:53.160 Oh whit? Yeah, walk into Legions fun. 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.720 I have season tickets. Man, I want to die. 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:57.520 Can you walk it? 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.120 You can walk from the MGM. Yeah, I it's not 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.000 delan know anymore. It's w but I usually just park 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:08.279 there and walk. Yeah, it's I went to the Syracuse game. 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:12.160 So yeah, this is a question that I've always sort 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.279 of struggled with here as a and you know, in 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:15.880 Los Angeles as well, any of the sort of as 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:17.880 a New York person that like I like the idea 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.440 of being able to either take mass transit or walk 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.640 to a thing, and yet like Las Vegas isn't big enough, 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:25.640 like theoretically, like your phone will tell you that's a 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.320 forty five minute walk, and yet I feel like most 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:29.760 of that is just fully impractical. 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:30.080 Yeah. 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.120 I mean I wasn't that bad to get too though. 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:36.520 I was talking with Oh god, what's the CTA not CEO? 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.320 The other guy, Oh I do not know, don't want. 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.080 I was talking to him and He was like, you know, 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.000 I was asking for a bit of advice on ceas 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.240 and he's like, every walk is longer than you think 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:46.400 of this. 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:48.360 That's actually great conference advice. 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:48.880 Yeah. 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:52.719 So, but I'm still kind of confused this AI hotel. 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:58.040 What else does it do other than allegedly remember my preferences? 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:01.400 Because I have an idea you could have some sort 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:05.800 of data base of sort, like a place for datar data, 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.120 and you could put the data in that base and 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.520 then you could simply remember which way my thing. What 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:13.599 does what does AI do with this bit? 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.320 So a lot of it's with their app. So they 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:16.800 have this thing. 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:17.800 Oh it's key. 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:24.160 It's called k ee where they and they described it 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:25.800 as I have it here at twenty four to seven 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:27.040 butler and the poll of your hands. 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:31.000 Sure, so it's just a lot of the requests that. 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.080 You'd be making, not really having to go through a human, 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.240 just saying it into your phone right room. 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.080 This doesn't add functionality to the hotel, surely because the 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:39.320 butler brings you things. 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.640 Yeah, so a lot of the functionalities I guess just 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:47.200 having to avoid humans. I mean I asked them about that, like, hey, 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.320 how many humans are going to be working here and 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:50.920 it's around thirty. 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.040 Which is a hotel, which is not a lot. I mean, 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.480 there's we've that's that's what they told me. I want 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:57.160 for myself. 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:58.040 This isn't your company. 0:06:58.040 --> 0:06:58.440 Don't worry. 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:00.000 I'm not mad at you. 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:00.919 But there's like a. 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:02.880 Full time and part time employees. 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:04.080 That's what That's what they say. 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:06.520 At a big like Las Vegas three hundred rooms, it's 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:07.000 not that big. 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:08.279 That's still pretty big. 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:12.280 Yeah, like that's ten rooms, but a lot of the 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.880 also is apartments and you don't need as many stuff. 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.440 It is funny that that's like basically where the the 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.360 AI thing. It goes from being like it's like a 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.840 you know, an application on your phone. It's like that, 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:24.760 but it's AI to suddenly like you get to the 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.320 where the actual rubber meat throat on all of this stuff, 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:28.000 which is fewer. 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.920 I am going to stay there and I am. 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.720 Going to do an episode, okay, and I'm going to 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:34.640 have a piss fit. 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:36.120 You're going to disappear. 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:41.520 Well, I will be disassociating, like that's the That's so 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.880 it's just frustrating because it's like theoretically an AI hotel 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.200 could well in the sense that if they were to 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:52.440 find use of preferences that they could just kind of 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.680 move around them. I'm not talking about generative A. I'm 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:58.680 talking about theoretically algorithms that are capable of knowing a 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:02.240 user's preference, but only in a much larger hotel system, 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.040 like I don't know Marriott. 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.840 Yeah, well, it's interesting you say that, because I asked 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:08.520 them about that. I asked, you know, is there any 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:12.240 interest from hotels in the area, and they said, you know, 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.000 currently we're trying to get everything up and running and 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.680 ready to go, but that there was a lot of 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.040 interest from other hotels and kind of the system you're making. 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.080 And right after I got my interview, I saw someone 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.360 from a Vegas hotel repsent it from a Vegas hotel 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:26.480 come by and talk. 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.200 Because this isn't entirely out of the Roman possibility for 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:33.200 thinking about Marriott, for example, they have I don't know 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.160 why I'm talking up like a publicly traded hotel phone, 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.120 but like Marriott's pretty decent, like you can put your 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.200 shit into it. And the frustration I have with the 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.200 AI part is that, yeah, I've specified what kind of 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.840 hotel pillow even very different from a hotel that I 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.480 like in a hotel stay. I'm just not sure what 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.120 else this does other than what they've is suggesting, which 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.880 is what if we just had less people. 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:57.800 Well, it's the same thing as the stuff that we 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:01.160 were talking about yesterday with the like smart homes. There's 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:03.360 a lot of that with AI related stuff, and it 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:07.200 seems like some of it it's like a a degree 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.280 of convenience that like doesn't just verge upon but like 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:15.080 goes fully into infantilization or just like i mean, which 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.240 is the place where you get infent That's more of 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.400 what you'd in some ways, like it makes more sense 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:20.880 for the Isn't that what a hotel's for? 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:22.400 Right now? 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.400 You're like you're removing variables from the equation that Like. 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.760 It also feels like there are very obvious a I 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.600 thinks a hotel could do, such as making check in quicker, 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.200 making sure you check in with that, making sure no 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.880 but making sure the cleaning is done based on when 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.840 Like I don't know, I'm I ain't no tech doer, 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:42.600 but I don't know if I had an algorithm that 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.680 would say, and I'm sure Vegas has these where it's like, okay, 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.839 we have a hotel of X size and why number 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.079 of people come in on a Friday, so we can 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.080 say that we need this much, but we have this 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:53.640 one person. 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:54.640 It definitely has that. 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:58.280 Yeah, so this isn't that, No, this is about what 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:01.920 the experience for the and I mean to be fair, 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.199 A lot of hotels, and I talked to professor, I 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:05.800 talked a lot of people about this. A lot of 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:09.320 hotels have just a billion different legacy systems running every 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:10.119 single function. 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:11.960 Which feels like the things to upgrade rather than this, 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:13.959 which is and this is that's kind of the point 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:14.640 they're trying to do. 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:18.000 It's one completely integrated system for the entire hotel. 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:19.400 You know, everything is. 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:24.800 Content's gonna have so much fucking trouble selling that. So yeah, sorry, 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.800 just there's no way. It's why we have airlines on 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:33.520 nineties computers. Like you think the Grotzi system of Venetian. Yeah, 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:36.760 people know I use the Venetian a lot. They do 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.640 you think they're going to upgrade an entire multifested system. 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.520 It seems like an unreal that's physician. 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:43.319 Yeah, when I was talking to a professor from you 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:44.679 and LV, great guy. 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:50.200 You're a real journalist. Also very clear here, like's. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.319 Great I'm trying to be very very accurate my wording. 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:54.640 One thing he told me is that that's one of 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:58.360 the main reasons. I mean, hospitality is Vegas kind of unique, 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:00.599 but hospitality as industry is not for being on the 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:06.040 cunning edge. It's known for kind of not the way 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.199 of say, being very stubborn and not really changing it. 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.439 And one of the reasons they're kind of stubborn and 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.199 don't really adapt to the times as quick is because 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.720 of that. Because there's a million systems interacting with each other, 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.640 and when you change one, oh god, that took down everything. 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:22.560 It's an equilibrium thing. You can't just mess with one 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:23.439 part of a hotel. 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.400 And that's kind of why, like for a new hotel, 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.760 for them, it's like, Okay, let's not make a billion 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:31.680 systems and then have to integrate them all later. 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:33.040 Let's just get it at the outset. 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.680 They can't be the first windows of hotels though they cannot. 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.440 Yeah, I'm not sure if there's other companies having that, 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:40.800 but they were emphasizing that Witell. 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.280 I'm just imagining startups will do that. So what else 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:44.840 have you seen moving off of hotels? 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.520 Yeah, I mean I think one of the most interesting 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:49.800 things I saw was from this company Sorensen, which I 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:53.840 believe is based in Utah. They're at West and so 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.040 we were talking earlier about this being kind of like 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:57.679 a decent use of AI, like there are. 0:11:57.640 --> 0:11:59.719 Still good uses of an no I would love to hear. 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.400 And so it's a real time translator that works for 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:07.640 specifically for like longer form presentations in a city like 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:08.360 Las Vegas. 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:09.840 That's obviously very important. 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:14.199 You know, we have a convention authority, and the way 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:15.920 it works is that once it's set up by the event, 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.760 all you do is scan a QR code and then 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.240 you can have a real time translation of whoever speaking 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.560 at the front on your phone in I think it's 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.400 twenty five languages. And one of the cooler parts about 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.400 it is that they also trained it with different dialects. 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.920 Okay, I was gonna say, so is this generative AI? 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.960 It's a lot of training training data, Jobert. 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:37.480 Is it a generative model? 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:37.680 Is it? 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:38.760 And you a technology? 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:38.960 Is it? 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:39.320 Basically? 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.439 I believe it's a generative model, right. 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.839 So my one concern with that, and I'm glad that 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:49.640 you mentioned dialects is everyone that I've talked to about 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:53.240 I can't speak any other languages. I can barely speak English. 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:56.680 I thus have no experience with it. But everyone I 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:00.200 talked to is like, there are these subtleties. Yeah, it 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.720 sounds like so how with extra dialects. 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.840 So it's like all good things. 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:07.720 It's a very human solution to that, where they just 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.400 have a lot of really trained people that you know, 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.760 pretty consistently are checking the models to make sure that 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.319 they're they're working. It's it's not They don't just set 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:17.719 it to the side. They were really big on this. 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:19.400 They don't just set to the side and hope it 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.880 works that. They are pretty consistently checking it with a 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:24.160 group of trained professionals. 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:25.960 One of the reasons I love having you here is 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:28.920 being able to respond with this, which is Vegas is 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:32.200 quite intolerant of bullshit. Weird for this place. It's the 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.200 you can bring whatever you want to see, yes, but 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.800 it's like, oh, you want to sell to our beautiful casinos, 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:39.600 with our beautiful slot machines that bring us off. 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.400 We love our money. 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.840 Thank you, thank you. You understand we love our slots. 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:49.000 Why we don't spend we don't have state income tax. 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:52.080 Our beautiful slot machines. We love them, folks. But it's 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.400 like Vegas is quite intolerant of just shit that don't work, 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.440 because ship that don't work is extremely unprofitable. 0:13:58.679 --> 0:13:59.400 Yeah, and a lot. 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.680 When you're working in the hospitality industry, your main job 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:03.920 is to keep people happy. 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:05.000 And when you. 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:06.680 Want Vegas people are babies. 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.520 And when you are running into tech issues and this 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.000 was again this professor. He's giving me all my lines. 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:16.079 What was the professor's name. 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:16.880 Oh, let me get it out. 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:18.360 Don't worry about no, no, no, no. 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:24.000 Look, this show can be quite cynical and hitty, and 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.400 I say words that people don't like, and they get 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.640 upset with me, and they email me every day and 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:29.280 they say. 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:30.200 Ed, I hope you die. 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:32.800 And I imagine the cyber trucking you ed. I imagine 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.360 the Ford f one fifty ed, I sort of a 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.880 Ford f one fifty rapped or hang you you bounced 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.160 and you you went in so much. 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.280 His name is a met or dem. 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:46.880 He is a resorts sorry, the chair of Unovis Resorts 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:48.280 Gaming and Golf Management department. 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:53.160 And I imagine a prius anyway. But that's the thing. 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.320 I want these people on here because there is a 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.239 thing I love about Vegas, where there is a dishonest 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.840 on this day. It's just you can't just fling shit 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:05.720 here because it's a very working class city. It's a 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.960 very it's a pragmatic city in many, many different ways. 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.320 So it's kind of like, I'm more willing to humor 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.960 the idea that they would have this translation thing. Yeah, 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:18.080 just because putting aside all my feelings, Vegas would simply 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.040 be like, n this fucking sucks. It's going to get 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.200 between the customer and the slums. 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:23.880 But I mean, when you're running a com I mean 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.320 especially comments like ces having real time translation when I 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:29.840 think every panels in English. 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:33.480 Yeah, Anglo well, anglers, anglophote. 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.560 Anglo centric when you know, I'm talking people and there's 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:41.600 a billion languages here, and you mentioned working class. Another 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:43.640 part of this is for at story I'm publishing later. 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.400 I talked to the Culinary union about their tech protection. 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:48.840 Cool. What did they say? 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:50.960 So they have they've. 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:54.000 Been working since twenty eighteen, probably longer actually, but they've 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:58.800 got protection since twenty eighteen, specifically regarding tech replacing workers 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.560 with that. When tech gets introduced to that would affect 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.600 someone's job, they have to and they negotiated this. They 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.840 get a six month notice and part of that there's 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:11.400 there's kind of two things that come out of that. 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.840 One that gives them time to kind of work out 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:19.080 the kinks. One example type of a George the Treasury 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:24.240 Secretary Treasurer Secretary told me, was there was this new 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:29.000 system for housekeepers that basically was sending them all across 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.520 different zones, all across different floors, and they're like, hey, 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:32.960 this is you're gonna. 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:33.920 Break the backs of the workers here. 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.560 Yeah, And so with that time they were able to 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:38.720 get a fix, no problem. And what it also does 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.360 that if a job gets eliminated or if a position 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:47.360 is eliminated that like Vegas has a there's plenty of jobs, 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:52.160 so especially in the hospitality industry. So it gives people 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:56.840 the time to find somewhere else within you know, the industry, 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.040 stay with the union and you know, keep their pension. 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.480 And there's also a pretty decent severance package if your 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.520 job is eliminated from the attack. 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:07.960 So fucking cool working union man. 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.200 No, I simply accept no substitute thing. 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.360 Like I live here in people like edge. You live 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.439 in a vending machine and that's why I like it. 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:20.320 But also there are actual really strong unions. Yeah, there's 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:24.000 a strike. I've been covering it Virgin. Yeah yeah, so 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:26.760 what's the strike? I care way more about that than 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:27.000 the do. 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.359 Oh yeah yeah yeah, So they've been on strike for 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.760 a little bit. Now regarding which who is this is? 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:35.000 This is Virgin Hotels, right with the culinary union. The 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.879 latest proposal, and this was from a little bit ago, 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.840 was well, the original proposal I believe was no raise 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:43.800 for the first couple of years of the contract, and 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:47.320 this was from Virgin from Virgin, and then the secondary proposal, 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.520 at least the secondary proposal I heard about his journalist 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:54.360 was a consistent thirty cent per hour race per year, wasn't. 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.439 The argument from Virgin They couldn't afford anything? 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:56.880 Yeah? 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:58.119 And how true was that? 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:04.600 So it's hard because their private company, Yeah, so kind of. 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.280 So they used to have their casino run by Mohegan, 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:14.760 which you can look like the tribe, right, so like 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.360 you you can look at that data and their casino 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:19.760 or I think it was the only one that was 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:24.480 I think losing money, which isn't great. So again they 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:28.280 do have a point, like Virgin is not a super 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.880 successful hotel when it comes to its casino. But what 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:33.919 they what the union keys pointing at is all you know, 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:37.280 these giant corporations, a lot of them are. There's what 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.440 it's the Leuna pension fund, one of them in Canada 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:44.480 that owns the owns the hotel part of the ownership group. 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.600 And then there's another company called fen Gate. So you know, 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.320 the company points to you know, we're an offstra property. 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:55.600 We can't give you strip pay. And the union's pointing 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.080 at their management saying, you definitely have the money. If 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.880 you want to invest in Vegas, you have to invest 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:08.040 in the workers, and they've consistently said go back to Canada. 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:10.600 Yes. So I just want to be clear, Kyle can't 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:12.960 say this and is no way offering any opinion on 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:16.600 what I'm going to say, which is solidarity. Now, fuck 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.960 you virgin. Now moving on, what else have you seen 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.920 the Vegas related while you've been here? 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:24.040 Yeah, So the other. 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:27.679 Major Vegas company I was looking at was a robotic 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:28.800 company that's been here for a while. 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:29.600 That's rich tech. 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:31.000 Okay, tell me about them. 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:33.439 So they work on a couple different things. So you 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:37.400 have like this atom it's called Adam. It's a bartender robot. 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:41.440 And when I was at the booth for cees. It 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:42.640 was kind of interesting because I. 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:47.040 Didn't see demos of the robot making drinks. 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:48.160 But it was a bartender. 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.000 Yeah, it's like a bartender robot, so it has two arms, 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:55.239 you can do everything. And the thing that surprised me 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.119 was like the main thing that brought people over to 0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:59.600 the booth was when the robot was dancing to Apa 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:01.840 Tu by Bruno Mars and I think. 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:07.280 Familiar to a song since two thousand and seven your views. 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.000 It is funny that they had the robot partender not 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:11.320 making drinks, but it was like. 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:12.800 It might have been at some point when I was there, 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:13.200 it wasn't. 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:18.679 It was consoling another robot, right, better than. 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:27.000 Go back to so But the the thing, it was 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:28.960 interesting because it was drawing a crowd by its little 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:31.320 dance with the music. And I was talking to someone 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:35.240 with the company and they were like, you know, the. 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.040 The show of it, the spectacles. 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:37.600 I asked like, you know, at what point do we 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:40.359 get past a spectacle and into just being there? 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:42.880 And he's like, spectacles part. 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:48.800 Of the cell. This is Vegas quiet, spectacles part of 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:49.080 the cell. 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:51.480 Yeah, that's also CS too though, right, like it seems 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:52.480 like the Vegas. 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:52.879 Is honest about it. 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:56.480 Yeah, yeah uh. 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.000 And then they had another system that was a lot 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:02.080 more utilitar. And you also, by the way, can find 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:04.879 some of their robots at all the Boyd Gaming or 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:05.400 not all of them. 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:06.720 But what are the Boyd Gaming for? 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.840 That's like the Awe strip, that Sam's Town and those ones. Yeah, 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:12.880 somebody was telling me about there was the it's. 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:16.000 At the Orleans Alante. I might be pronouncing that wrong. Sorry, 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:16.560 I'm new here. 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:18.520 And sun Coast cool. 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:22.640 So they'll have like delivery robots like delivering food and 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:27.280 then this other robots Skylark and that's more like getting 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:30.800 a robot to clean floors and make deliveries and stuff 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:34.240 like that. And so, I mean, you know, like all things, 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:37.440 the main one of the main things preventing it from 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:40.760 mass adoption is price. What was it they used to 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.639 have a lot of the robots used to be like 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:45.119 you just it's like I think it was like one 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.560 hundred and eight thousand dollars, But now they're working off 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:50.159 more of like a subscription model. 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:53.240 Baby much of that maybe. 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:56.000 Do exactly. 0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:59.399 So you have the bartender robot, which is I have 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:03.919 the price can it tend bar clean, I mean, like 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.399 actually drinks reliably. 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:09.040 How does it accept the drink order? 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:11.520 Yeah, I'm sure aware of how drinks. 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:12.040 I'm not sure. 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:16.320 I know the drink make a little hand motion, but 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:19.760 he also probably does. It also come with like an inventory. 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:23.800 System, Like I'm not sure exactly how its inventory system works, 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:25.880 but i know for like Tipsy Robot, which is kind 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:28.400 of like the other that's actually at the Phenician. 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:30.800 Yeah, there's one downstairs and that has like f. 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.600 That's like a the point of sales system where you 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:36.520 just kind of like tap on a tablet and it 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:38.920 gives you the drink. So I imagine it will be 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:41.960 something similar to that. I'm not positive, but I imagine 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:43.200 its probably a similar system. 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:46.280 To robot because it feels like it probably it's probably 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:48.840 not too hard for them to be like, okay, as 0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:52.520 long as we catalog and keep every single drink in 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:56.280 a certain place, and maybe if you like make a 0:22:56.320 --> 0:22:59.520 request that's outside the bounds of the inventory, then it says. 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:00.879 Do you mean Yeah. 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:05.000 I feel bad about these though, because there are two 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:07.719 cities that have my heart, New York and Las Vegas, 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:10.240 Like it was my favorite. I got here in a 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:12.199 weird way, and I will probably leave here in a 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:17.359 weird way. But the thing is, the bartenders here are fascinating, 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.040 that's fun to talk to. I don't want to rope 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.040 at replacing them, because first of all, I don't believe 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:25.639 Robert will do his good job. But also that was 0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:28.399 not me coughing for any ironic reasons. I really was 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.840 just coughing. The bartender's here rock. But also, like the 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:37.240 accumulated experience of witnessing Vegas is what makes a bartender 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:42.280 masks all about people watching, yeah, but also people experiencing Yeah. 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:44.200 This kind of comes back to another one of the 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:46.400 things that we kind of keep bumping up against with 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:49.560 going down there is this idea that somehow the important 0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:52.040 thing I understand it from a business perspective, but from 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:54.399 any other perspective, the idea that you want to remove 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:58.240 human interaction from every process and every transaction. 0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:00.959 The thing I I keep saying this. 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:06.600 I asked them about that, and both this company and 0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:09.840 I think Atomics also to this. They don't want to 0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:14.760 replace humans. They want them to like work alongside them. 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:15.840 They want to augment them. 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:19.000 The phrase, the phrase I was told was coba. 0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:24.880 That parallel, So it's cobot. 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:26.760 So instead of it being a robot replacing you, it's 0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:27.919 one you work with. 0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:33.800 That is loathsome Well, I don't like the idea of like, 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:38.000 unless the robot is like doing annoying things, you don't. 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:39.159 Want a robot understudy. 0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:40.760 Yeah, what if? 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:42.800 What if it just what if it just sat on 0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:44.399 your arm and looked at you and blinked? 0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:46.400 Sometimes? 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:47.720 Was that the pet? 0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:49.960 Yeah, we've heard. 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:52.640 Good things weirdly like previous episodes, but yeah, they're kind 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:52.879 of like. 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:56.320 Look, I don't I was not initially that into the idea, but. 0:24:56.280 --> 0:24:59.000 It's very it's very large eyes like I have my 0:24:59.080 --> 0:24:59.800 cat and I love my. 0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:04.480 Yeah, a lot of people are living things. But yeah, 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:06.320 that the cobot thing. 0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:09.320 I just Also, it sounds like something said by someone 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:11.159 who has not worked a job in a while. 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:13.360 It also sounds like the hyper loop shit where it's 0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:16.160 basically it takes two people to get two people into 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:18.400 a car that then takes them someplace. 0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:18.480 But it's not. 0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:20.760 And then you had the pro public of story that 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:23.720 came out this week about which was about what about 0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:24.840 him to do something bad? 0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:28.000 This don't tell me if you did something I want to. 0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:31.920 Do something against I mean no me. 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:34.919 Oh yes, I got when I went over to the 0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:38.600 convention center yesterday, and it was fully the dumbest shit 0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:39.560 I've ever done in my life. 0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:41.040 I really loved it. I thought it was amazing. 0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:42.600 Yeah, I need to give this a proper read. 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:45.359 But pro Public published a piece of car Elon's Elon 0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:47.800 Musk Boring Company is tunneling beneath Las Vegas with a 0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:48.680 little oversight. 0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:51.520 Oh really, Well, I'm sure they're probably doing a good job. 0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:54.600 That's the weird thing, though, It's like this city seemed 0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:57.560 more resistant to that kind of stuff. Are they just 0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:00.160 letting him dig tunnels because it gets the money? 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:03.720 Well, I mean it's I have not covered the enough 0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:04.280 to answer that. 0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:06.479 That's fine, No, sorry, I must be clear. I'm not 0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:09.000 holding you to account here. You didn't do the reporting. 0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:11.480 But it's just like it feels like such an aberration 0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:15.840 because one of the things that destroys people about Vegas 0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.879 is that everything is convenient at all times. Everything is 0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:22.000 fifteen minutes exactly, thank god. Damn. It's so good that 0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:27.679 real resident here which is five months, three years baby, 0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:30.720 and you know it better than anyone. And it's like, wow, 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:33.560 I can have diet coke whenever I need to The 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:35.800 problem is there are people who have other kinds of 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:38.440 coke they can get in fifteen minutes, and then they do. 0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:42.360 Then there are other proclivities they can fuel in fifteen minutes. 0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:44.320 Is this what they mean by fifteen minute cities when 0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:50.440 you hear that phrase, Yes, yes, I start a place. 0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:53.040 It's a fifteen minute city run by cars. 0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:55.399 Yeah. Actually that's really weird. 0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:58.119 I'm so glad you're on the last episode. This is 0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:03.040 valuable information about Vegas. The thing is the result of 0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:07.760 every proclivity Jesus Christ being available at all times, is 0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:10.280 that Vegas is just like no, man, I understand, you 0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:12.240 got this new tech and you're very horny and you 0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:15.480 raised all this money, like very exciting. However, you're between 0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:18.640 the beautiful slot machines and our beautiful customers, who are 0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:22.320 anyone who is here, and they ain't going to PRIM. 0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:25.080 So ye had a pretty bad believe they are pretty 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:25.440 bad gaming. 0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:28.400 And by the way, if they ever find a way 0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:32.040 to get people quicker to PRIM one hundred billion dollar industry, 0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:34.960 I'm just giving people like that. Primm is a city 0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:37.040 that is far further than it looks. 0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:40.400 Oh it's Nevada. You guys, did one of those that's cool. 0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:44.520 No, yes, in the sense that there is a strange 0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:49.760 authority with money that has created the city. 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:50.600 He's ambitious. 0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:54.000 It's a strange, but I don't have enough prim exp 0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:56.600 some shrooms. 0:27:56.160 --> 0:28:03.240 And going to Robert, Let's find Silica Valley's Eldorado. 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:07.840 But the launcher point is that Vegas is intolerant of things, 0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:11.200 not because of good or bad, but because of efficiency. 0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:12.560 Oh yeah, it's all bad efficiency. 0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:16.840 And that's the weird thing. Cus exists in this very 0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:20.880 inefficient way here and it's just Vegas is like, I'll take. 0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:22.760 A little well yeah, I mean it's it might be 0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:25.800 inefficient for the tech industry, but it's a great money 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:29.640 maker for the city, which. 0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:31.920 Is a great description in Vegas. I mean, this may 0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:33.200 destroy you, but it. 0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:36.040 May you know, it might not be great for you know, 0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:40.160 there's AI being put into everything all that stuff, but 0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:43.000 I mean, look, it's a very large conference that the 0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:45.479 city makes good money off of. And we just had 0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:48.480 a recent F one report or at recent November gaming 0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:52.240 revenue report and F one not performing the way people 0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:55.280 want it to. So I mean these conventions are in 0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:57.840 I mean, they keep the city afloat, especially I mean 0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:01.120 when people couldn't travel here in twenty twenty. I mean 0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:04.040 I wasn't here about it. I wash then you know strange. 0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:06.320 I mean it was also the depression here was it 0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:06.920 was terrible. 0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:09.880 Like this is a working class city, and when you 0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:12.600 think about c s a lot of engineers and such, 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:16.480 Vegas is a place which is very working class. And 0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:19.120 the effects of these conferences are quite pronounced. 0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:21.720 Yeah, and it's important, it's important for the city. 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:26.080 So very meaningful. Ending for a third of the episode 0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.920 that mister David rothwork and people find you. 0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:32.320 Defector dot com the website and I do the distraction 0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:33.120 podcast there. 0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:36.080 Well you're on okay, Well just move past that. You 0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:37.160 messed up the order there. 0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:38.080 Oh I did. I'm sorry. 0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:39.360 No, no, no, no, it's gone. 0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:41.880 I don't get any second shot at this working people 0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:42.560 take it over. 0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:45.080 I am still do it. 0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:46.080 Another cut it. 0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:50.120 I'm still on X believe it or not. 0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:52.080 I told the Everything app. 0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:54.680 Yeah, I'm on there too, but I only only for banking. 0:29:57.440 --> 0:29:58.880 Don't use it for social network. 0:29:58.920 --> 0:29:59.280 I use it. 0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:01.800 I put my cat scans in there. Ye see what 0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:02.840 Crock tells me about it. 0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:03.720 It's like, l. 0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:06.080 You have disease. 0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:11.800 Your discs are very cheeky, you get the elon butt 0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:15.840 head last when it uploads successful, you're like, cool, it's 0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:19.920 processing way, Kyle, where could people actually find you? 0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:22.640 Kyle Underscore Schnard C H O U I N A 0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:22.920 R D. 0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:25.520 And then the Las Vegas Sun dot com or just 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.440 Las Vegas Sun dot com, edam Gwaiso Junior. 0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:34.880 I am on uh Twitter and blue Sky the Foreign 0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:39.040 Agent Registry of the shack up in I won't say 0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:44.080 it for which country, we can guess. For my newsletter 0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:47.920 it's uh the tech Bubble dot substack dot com. 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The 0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:28.920 following ads very legitimate companies or podcasts. You're gonna listen 0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:31.880 to them, download them, and I won't feel any pain 0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:46.320 by their products. And we're back. So we have replaced 0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:51.680 David Roth using science with gear Davis. You are here 0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:53.880 from it could happen here. I am a cool Zone 0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:56.800 Media product. We're colleagues. How are you doing. 0:31:57.080 --> 0:32:00.560 I'm so tired. I've watched so many steps this week. 0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:03.360 I feel like I have new energy. That's the problem. 0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:05.479 I'm going into the last day with more energy than 0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:06.400 I have when I arrived. 0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:09.120 That's that's that's another Cees miracle. 0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:12.760 It's it's beautiful. Kyle Shanad from the Las Vegas Sun 0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:17.280 either and of course Edward and Guiso Junior. Hellow, that's 0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:22.560 really bad. Yeah, Kyle, you were at the same panel. 0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:25.080 Tell me about this panel. 0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:27.800 So it was this panel done by a number of 0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:31.840 tech companies. Adobe had a spokesperson there as well as 0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:36.840 one of the DHS Science and Technology at representatives. It 0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:41.920 was ostensibly about like deep fakes, AI generated like information 0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:46.640 UH and disinformation and misinformation. And I've been to a 0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:48.920 lot of these panels over the years. I went to 0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.560 one last year at ce YES put on by Deloitte. 0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:54.800 That was that was actually okay. And then I went 0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:58.760 to a few at them at the r NC earlier last. 0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:01.320 Year, and that's the Republican National Convention. 0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:04.800 Correct, correct, So you know it's a good good, uh 0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:07.600 good panel for journalists to go to speaking of speaking 0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:12.120 of disinformation. But yeah, I I uh, this was on 0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:16.040 Thursday that we were we we walked into the LVCC, 0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:20.040 went to this panel and it was uh one one 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:21.600 person in front of me did fall asleep? 0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:23.680 Yeah, I thought it was. 0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:24.960 What was the panel about? 0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:28.160 Also, it was about U misinformation, disinformation and deep fakes. 0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:28.720 Uh. 0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:31.880 And I think if you didn't know much about it, 0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:34.880 it probably could be a little shuffle. But for I 0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:36.960 think as audience, maybe not as much. 0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:39.320 Yeah, yeah, I mean it was. It was talking about 0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:42.920 you know, various various tools to identify, uh, like AI 0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:47.640 generated or or or deep faked like information or or 0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:50.560 you know like you know, pictures, videos, and you know 0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:52.680 how a whole bunch of the previous like visual tactics. 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:54.520 Right a few years ago, it's pretty easy to spawn 0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:59.520 a AI image. It's maybe slightly harder now. It depends 0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:01.920 on the model. But how you know, how with with 0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:04.240 with how fast that kind of that is developing, especially 0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:07.760 for stills. It's it's it's going beyond like visual detection. 0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:10.879 You have to actually create tools to detect this, and 0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:14.560 those tools can also be prone to false positives and 0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:19.000 false negatives. And so there's this another technology that a 0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:21.440 whole bunch of companies like a Microsoft making a big 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:23.520 push for it as well as well as Adobe. It's 0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:26.719 kind of like a build in systems for when you 0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:30.560 generate AI content that that like clearly identifies it as 0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:34.359 such in the metadata. And that that's something I heard 0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:36.520 a lot about last year, and they talked about it here. 0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:37.800 I think they called it providence. 0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:40.359 Providence was the word of the day. 0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:42.560 Yes, that was the That was the word that they 0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:45.680 that they used was these uh, these providence systems as 0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:48.880 opposed to like, uh detection systems, which is like you know, 0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:52.640 like like post post post talk, you know, we we 0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:56.600 will use we will use that against you know, AI 0:34:56.920 --> 0:35:00.359 or suspected AI content. Uh that was you know, maybe 0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:02.680 not generated with this built in information. 0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:04.160 Yeah. 0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:09.799 So how was the panel though? Was it useful? Like 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:14.400 did it make profound statements or was this more cslop. 0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:17.080 I mean I wouldn't call it c yes slop because 0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:19.239 there's the oh yeah, the ones where you just sit 0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:21.080 there for half an hour and go like a, well 0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:25.359 that was half an hour I could be doing something else. Yeah, 0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:28.920 I mean it was good for you know, learning the basics. 0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:31.120 And they talked about, you know how like you mentioned, 0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:33.280 it was a lot easier to detect things a while ago. 0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:35.560 One thing I wish they and this is not your 0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:37.120 reallyid question, but one thing I wish they did talk 0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:41.840 about was just how text based a lot of this 0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:47.640 AI misinformation, Like it's a lot of the misinformation that 0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:48.520 gets published. 0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:51.719 I mean, if you go on X be everything. 0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:55.120 App as I do for my Bankking of course. 0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:57.799 I mean I I go into I can't even read 0:35:57.800 --> 0:35:59.719 the comments anymore because I have to scroll through a 0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:01.759 billion in blue checks, and so many of them are 0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:07.319 just like uh, obviously AI generated based off analyzing the 0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:10.280 image and then writing the most basic comment possible. 0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:13.480 So I wish there was a little more focus on that, if. 0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:15.400 You want to no, sure, I mean like that is 0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:17.680 that is a massive section of it. And this is 0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:21.440 something even I asked a question about at the Republican 0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:24.040 National Convention at Microsoft panel being like you have all 0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:25.920 these tools for like AI images, right, you know, images 0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:29.440 of politicians and in debaucherous acts, you know, all all 0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:33.720 these sorts of things. But they also advertised like AI's 0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:37.759 ability to make specifically like like a specific like a 0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:43.200 user uh user specific political like press releases basically like 0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:45.600 like you know, like a campaign can send an email 0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:48.560 like based on like a voter's profile that can be 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:54.400 tailored using AI to specific voters and like that what 0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:55.960 could go wrong with that? 0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.680 And also do you mean creating data to specifically push 0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:00.840 vote in one direction? 0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:02.279 Well yeah, yes, but like but you know, like you 0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:05.520 if you're working for a campaign and you want to 0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:09.080 target specific voters, you can analyze their social media presence, 0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:11.319 you know, whatever kind of information about them is in 0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:14.040 certain data seats that can be bought and and make 0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:17.600 you know, an AI written press release specifically for them. 0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:19.520 And this is something I also like asked questions about, 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:22.759 like you're talking about you know these like uh these 0:37:22.840 --> 0:37:27.120 AI AI metadata watermarks for images, but what about for text? 0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:28.719 Like how will I be able to know if an 0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:31.000 email I'm getting from a politician was written by a 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:34.120 person or written by a robot They're like, well you can't. 0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:37.200 We simply aren't gonna worry about that. 0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:41.480 And like, I mean I walked up to y'all afterwards, 0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:43.200 and I was like, I guess the lesson is that 0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:43.960 we're all screwed. 0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:46.120 Yeah, we all, we all are screwed. I mean that 0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:47.080 was the main takeaway. 0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:50.320 That was what the DHS was saying, which I was like, maybe, 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:53.839 oh god, that was the main takeaway I had. 0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:55.719 Was everyone pretty much saying like this is going to 0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:58.480 get worse, and it's an arms and like all the 0:37:58.520 --> 0:37:59.200 stuff is an. 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:01.680 Arms and it is and like you know, they they 0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:04.279 gestured towards you know, quote unquote bad guys or like 0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:08.040 you know, foreign state actors specifically Iran, does you know 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:11.960 a lot of work on this? Russia? But and you know, 0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:14.200 I think in some ways to focus on those two 0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:17.680 might be kind of lifted as the new is the 0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:20.560 new administration focuses more on China, but specifically for like 0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:25.200 for like just disformation using AI tools. Iran and Russia. 0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:27.120 Like the past year has been like the main players 0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:29.040 targeting US voters. 0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:31.920 It is so wild. We just have I'm this is 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:34.520 a real dumb guy statement. Do we just have other 0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:37.680 countries who are just fucking with the US citizen tree 0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:39.719 and it's just like a thing that happens. 0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:41.759 Oh yeah, it's a huge it's like a it's a 0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:43.040 it's a huge project. 0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:44.360 Disidered an act of war. 0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:47.719 Yeah, I mean it's it's it's an extension of like 0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:49.480 Cold War stuff, right, like it's. 0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:51.520 So we just have wars that are like not really 0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:55.319 yeah yeah, yeah, pretty much. I mean, I mean, I'm 0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:59.400 also describing how colonial Britain work by paying people not 0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:01.879 to like teach people to write. So I realized I'm 0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:08.160 like the Bill Belichick of But it's just very frustrating 0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:10.440 to hear this stuff and not really know what to 0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:12.760 do about it because it could happen here. Does amazing 0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:15.960 welk on disinformation for something as like a person? 0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:20.400 Okay no, but no, no, okay, you know, it is 0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:23.040 a huge problem and there really isn't much to do 0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:26.600 realistic like we have tried to make fact checking work 0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:29.120 the past few years, and I don't think Americans are 0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:34.360 that much better at identifying false or genuine information. Like 0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:37.200 fact checking has kind of failed as a as like 0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:39.000 a large as a large project. 0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:42.920 I almost feel like what they actually need is vibe checkers. 0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:47.000 I mean, they need someone, but it's why do I 0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:49.600 feel bad looking at this? What I'm saying is everyone 0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:50.280 needs therapy. 0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:54.000 Jesus Christ, astrologers and estate. 0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:56.440 State mandated therapy is the solution here. 0:39:56.640 --> 0:40:01.359 Yeah, definitely a state mandated vibe checker. Is this real? 0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:06.399 I would apply to be checker? What do you think 0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:09.200 about this? It's not. 0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:11.520 Big. 0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:15.399 Don't read the end of Jiu Jitsu Kaise and it's 0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:19.360 a very disappointing manga, very unfair. The end of Demons 0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:26.080 LA have far better seven similar, terrible ending. It took 0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:27.920 out the US superhero. 0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:30.759 Joe's bizarre adventure is holding up? 0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:34.280 It was normal. I didn't know. Look, think you were weaves. 0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:38.960 That is interesting. I am I appreciate other cultures. Oh, 0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:39.879 I don't give a ship. 0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:40.919 I'm a huge weave. 0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:41.960 Do you know what I'm wearing? 0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:45.319 I was wondering if that was a reference. You look 0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:48.400 like you might explain this one gap because I don't know. 0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:49.759 I don't guess. 0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:53.000 No, like Anti Anti was it that one? 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:55.600 No, there's no chainsaw man right, No? 0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:57.240 No, Oh, I thought you were one of those agents. 0:40:57.360 --> 0:41:00.319 It's one of the club ones or in high school, yes, 0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:05.640 host club one yes, just to be clear, is the 0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:08.440 best dressed of any of us and also fucking rocking 0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:12.759 like an actual Manger related outfit and nailing it. 0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:14.799 I spent a lot of money on this as you 0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:17.560 should have looks great. I I I found. I found 0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:20.560 a very nice blue blazer that I defaced by putting 0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:21.600 on the orange patch. 0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:26.000 This is good. This good. I've been admiring your fits. 0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:28.280 I feel like back home. I'm usually I'm usually dressed 0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:30.439 the best dress and dressed best. 0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:33.520 Your pants are fantastic. 0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:34.279 I appreciate it. 0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:36.719 I appreciate it, but no one's saying anything about me. 0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:41.560 Good personally. I think you should have gone with the 0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:42.520 aviator shades. 0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:48.480 I think you should have gone with the shade I 0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:52.879 would love. But I was talking about this with with 0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:55.640 my boss Robert Evans last night. We should bring the 0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:58.120 men's wear a guy here one year. I have him 0:41:58.200 --> 0:41:59.200 walk around. 0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:06.560 Ceyes, you have anticipated. He's also not cheap, No, he 0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:07.200 wants no. 0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:09.760 Derek guy is legend. 0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:12.080 I love him, and he also knows what he's worth 0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.840 and should he should It's a pro labor podcast. 0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:18.319 Is that his name Derek Derek, which is so fucking. 0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:20.600 Funny to be like the menswear guy, and your second 0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:21.640 name is guy. 0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:26.120 Very very cool. I would I would love for him 0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:29.359 to walk around the show floor. I think it could 0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:30.440 do some real psychicama. 0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:32.879 It doesn't rate my fing. I never want him to 0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:34.920 put his I have so on on me. 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:40.279 I say this with my not quite parasocial but here's 0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:42.600 my Derek Guy's story. So I lost a lot of 0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:45.160 weight this year. And this is not a me trying 0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:47.839 to actually conjure up people saying anything. I'm fine. What 0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:50.080 I'm saying is I lost all the weight and I 0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:51.960 bought a bunch of clothes and I took a picture 0:42:52.000 --> 0:42:54.880 and I'm like, I still feel like shit. So I 0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:58.400 emailed Derek Guy, as one normally does in tears, and 0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:00.919 I was like, why do I feel bad still? Because 0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:02.760 I was like, you know what, if he doesn't respond, 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.359 he doesn't respond, but if he does, he can help 0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:07.400 me deal with something like an emotional thing where I'm like, 0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:09.319 I feel better about my body, but I don't like 0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:10.840 what's on it. And he was like, you have no 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:13.600 aesthetic and he explained the concept of aesthetics. One of you. 0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:17.480 Responded, yeah, there, he's like the chump ski fashion. 0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:21.839 For the. 0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:26.440 He's still responding, well, this is kind of what I 0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:29.719 was addressing with Gare, which is he isn't there to 0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:32.759 eighty six people. He's there to try and explain what 0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:34.920 looks and feels good. And he talks about clothing his 0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:37.200 social language. And he said, you have no aesthetic. You're 0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:41.480 wearing like trainers with like a threadbelt. My shit was busted. 0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:44.040 I look terrible because of the clothes, not because of me. 0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:48.720 I would actually love him to do that, but also 0:43:48.920 --> 0:43:52.280 walk around being like, this ship looks fucking good because 0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:55.680 I feel like and with this show, especially if you're 0:43:55.840 --> 0:43:59.840 just a hater, were loving nothing, you're just vacuous. 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:05.440 Occasionally you see a very well dressed Asian businessman fucking rocks, 0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:07.800 and then you see a lot of a lot of Asian, 0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:10.720 a lot of Asian businessmen in very ill fitting suits. 0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:13.560 But occasionally you'll see one guy who has that ship on. 0:44:14.040 --> 0:44:16.160 Yes, I did see someone who had that ship on 0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:18.759 and they were like looking at other people's fits. Would 0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:20.080 discuss That's. 0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:23.840 What I've been doing all week, baby fashion ped. 0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:26.640 I really I should have gone up to him and 0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:27.279 talked to him. 0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:32.560 Yeah, you have notes about the convention, rapp, Why this 0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:35.400 is my actual job. Okay, yeah, I forgot why we 0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:40.000 have we just you know, yeah, at the YAP index 0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:44.040 is over five thousand right now, Japanese, can please bring 0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:45.719 us back to why we're actually well? 0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:48.680 So, I guess one thing I was spending almost all 0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:52.520 of yesterday doing, as we've been intundated with these AI products, 0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:55.920 is is learning about all of the AI products targeting 0:44:55.920 --> 0:45:00.400 your offspring, your kids who are being raised now with 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:03.240 AI the same way my generation was raised with social media. 0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:04.280 Nice son of mine. 0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:06.719 This is like cocoa melon ship where it's like put 0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:08.520 this in front of your kid, or it's like the vice, 0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:11.240 like consumer products for the anxious parent. 0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.000 You know, both these things kind of these these things 0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:17.360 canna kind of overlap. The first thing I did yesterday 0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:21.239 morning was a TENDED panel called Raising AI Kids Responsibly. 0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:25.319 Great title because this could either mean you're making an 0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:28.880 AI child that you get to raise, or it's about 0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:30.880 how do you raise kids in the world at AI? 0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:33.480 And now it was the latter. I kind of wanted 0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:34.000 the former. 0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:36.920 I hate all of it. 0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:40.200 It was bad, Uh it was. It was in some 0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:42.440 ways it was bad and you know, a little bit cringe. 0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:45.399 But there's also some interesting you know stuff set here. 0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:48.520 There was two products that were that were displayed. One 0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:52.080 of them was from this company called ready Land, I 0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:55.640 believe partners with Amazon. It's basically like it's an AI 0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:59.359 story book that interacts with an Alexa machine. Now, one 0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:01.680 thing about them that I think is actually really good. 0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:05.720 They don't they don't generate any new AI content. It's 0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:08.640 just using AI to stitch together basically kind of a 0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.680 choose your own adventure book, but for kids to to 0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:14.440 have like a physical book that they read with with 0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:16.880 the Alexa machine that then can make them like toxic 0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:19.759 characters change the story in different directions. But all the 0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:22.120 content is pre baked. It just it just gets it 0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:23.520 just gets assembled in different ways. 0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:24.240 Just one idea. 0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:27.839 As the father of a son, the son of a mother, 0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:32.799 a brother of a sister, you can do this thing 0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:35.600 when you're reading to your child where you can think 0:46:35.640 --> 0:46:36.279 of something else. 0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:39.560 I understand, And this is what my parents did to 0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:42.160 me and macination. This is what I was thinking about. 0:46:42.400 --> 0:46:43.880 Like in the panel, I'm like, yes, this is this 0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:45.600 is cool. You know, it's safer than a whole bunch 0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:48.680 of the other other stuff I'm seeing. But how this 0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:56.120 kind of steals away the joy of reading to your kids. 0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:58.520 When my little brother is growing up, you just don't 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:00.680 realize how bad shit child is. 0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:04.480 So I avoid talking about my son in general. I 0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:06.520 won't name him because I believe he should have his 0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:11.400 own destiny. But one of the most wonderful parts of 0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:14.520 being a father is having my son come and talk 0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:16.920 to me about something he just thought up, and it 0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:19.920 will be something Minecraft related, and he will explain something 0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:23.480 I did not know about Minecraft, and you will, like, 0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:27.359 he will explain something in such detail that I've never 0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:30.040 even considered in my life, and it's something quite simple. 0:47:30.680 --> 0:47:32.680 But it's because he's been allowed to go off in 0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:35.280 these directions with no prompting, with no. 0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:39.160 Yeah, no totally, I mean my bit, Yeah, it's beautiful. 0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:42.440 Yeah, And it's like the idea of depriving children of 0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:43.359 this makes me so. 0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:45.960 Fucking actually, especially when it's targeting like five year olds, 0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:48.279 which is like where it gets more upsetting to me. 0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:53.160 And taking the fucking parenting thing of having an imagination 0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:56.840 about what your child could be is so fucking sickening. 0:47:56.840 --> 0:47:59.960 I'm getting angry this is now. Unfortunately, like I actually 0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:03.839 felt relatively better about this product. So it's basically kind 0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:05.440 of just like it's kind of it's kind of just 0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:07.320 a visual It's kind of it's kind of just like 0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:10.400 a visual novel, you know, like like those uh like 0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:12.120 those visual novel games. But you have much you have 0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:15.080 physical books you're reading now. Compared to the other product 0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:19.640 called Poe the AI Teddy Bear, which I also saw, 0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:23.920 so much worse is it? It is what it sounds like. 0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:25.879 It's a teddy bear that comes with an app where 0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:28.040 you can put in certain like parameters for like I 0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:31.040 want the story starring this character with this archetype of 0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:34.400 civillain in this setting, and it'll generate an AI story 0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:38.760 for your child, generating new content. So unlike unlike story 0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:43.680 Land or unlike unlike ready Land, Poe the AI Bear 0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:48.200 is actually is actually generating live content, unreviewed by unreviewed 0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:50.840 by moderator. It's just straight to your child. It's fifty 0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:53.279 dollars on Amazon. You can order this thing right now 0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:53.920 and talk to it. 0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:58.239 He putting my tongue in my cheek. When did I 0:48:58.280 --> 0:48:59.520 do when I'm pissed off about? 0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:04.279 Side is gonna hang out? You're low key tweaking right, 0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:12.279 I'm like names places he did talk about. He's like, 0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:16.360 you know, like chat GPT does does have guardrails for content. 0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:21.279 But but those guardrails you know, don't always reliably work, 0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:24.600 but they're better than nothing, and and and content moderation 0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:27.160 is an issue that we're working on. I'm like, yeah, 0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:31.360 but your product is hit the market like you are selling, we're. 0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:32.840 Working on moderation. Isn't a great answer? 0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:36.319 No, not a good answer. And this is something like 0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:39.439 even even the other guy with like the AI storybook mentioned, 0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:41.560 He's like, it's pretty easy to make like your AI 0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:45.799 kids toy not say swear words or even even even 0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:48.080 like you talk about like sex or drugs. But one 0:49:48.120 --> 0:49:50.000 thing that's even harder to moderate. It's like what if 0:49:50.040 --> 0:49:53.200 it's what if it says like inaccurate or or actually 0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:55.799 like like like a like dangerous information, you know, like 0:49:55.880 --> 0:49:57.520 what if it's what if it goes in a really 0:49:57.520 --> 0:49:59.920 weird direction and starts like and starts like talking about 0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:03.560 he son so that generally exactly general exactly models. 0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:06.680 They don't even understand how the training data truly interacts 0:50:06.719 --> 0:50:09.520 with the system totally, they don't know how this shit 0:50:09.719 --> 0:50:13.680 truly works. The only useful thing in quantum computing related 0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:15.400 to AI right now is the fact that they can 0:50:15.440 --> 0:50:18.839 actually have models that can discern what the training data does. 0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:22.960 So the idea of my child interacting with all of 0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:26.960 these I realize now like nothing actually makes me angry 0:50:27.000 --> 0:50:29.880 other than harms to my child, at which point I 0:50:30.000 --> 0:50:32.200 might actually go falling down mode. 0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:34.239 So it's such a good movie too. 0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:35.239 It's such a great movie. 0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:36.759 That's a good movie. 0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:37.560 Now. 0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:39.680 The other the last part of the last thing about 0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:41.839 this panel is that it was it actually opened with 0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:47.799 this person from the company Ido Ido Play Lab Partnerships, 0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:50.560 who was the first company to partner with Sesame Workshop 0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:52.400 to make to make apps for kids. So I'm like, 0:50:52.520 --> 0:50:55.400 this is interesting, Like Sesmei Workshop usually I consider I 0:50:55.440 --> 0:50:58.560 consider being like pretty pretty thoughtful in how they produce 0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:01.000 media for kids, and like, if they're choosing to partner 0:51:01.040 --> 0:51:02.960 with this company, maybe I'll listen to what they say. 0:51:03.040 --> 0:51:05.799 And they didn't have anything to sell. They just had 0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:09.360 data that they've been collecting on how gen Z thinks 0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:12.720 about AI. This thing's becoming increasingly invasive in our lives, 0:51:12.760 --> 0:51:15.080 Like how do we think about it and what do 0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:17.920 we really want out of it? And some of the 0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:20.360 way this lady presented stuff was a little bit odd. 0:51:20.360 --> 0:51:21.919 She kind of presented all of all of the data 0:51:21.960 --> 0:51:24.880 findings as like shocking surprises, which I think may have 0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:26.440 been tailored for the CEES audience. 0:51:26.640 --> 0:51:30.280 Sure, so I feel like more attention to the details 0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:30.959 isn't bad. 0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:34.360 Sure, and like this is this is what she said 0:51:34.440 --> 0:51:37.719 her uh, her data like showed and and you can 0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:39.120 you can look you can look this stuff up on 0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:42.520 their website. The main question she asked is what if 0:51:42.640 --> 0:51:47.279 the tech savvy generation gen Z isn't buying what we're 0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:48.160 selling anymore? 0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:51.919 Fucking hell, imagine the customer does the thing you're building. 0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:54.240 Uh, she said, Like, you know, gen Z is typically 0:51:54.280 --> 0:51:57.359 seen as early as like early adopters, early users, and 0:51:57.520 --> 0:52:00.200 they usually are, but they also come with the most 0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:03.440 amount of informed opinions about how badly the tech feels, 0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:06.040 how cringing it is to use, and how it affects 0:52:06.080 --> 0:52:07.160 their sense of humanity. 0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:08.719 So so the issue is that they know what's up. 0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:11.920 They know what's up, which was you know, if you're 0:52:11.960 --> 0:52:14.920 in businesses is like as either a hurdle to overcome 0:52:16.200 --> 0:52:18.600 or some insights to help you, you know, maybe maybe 0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:22.239 pivot or change in a completely different direction. She identified 0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:24.839 like the key areas of tension around AI for gen 0:52:24.960 --> 0:52:27.200 Z is one creative expression. 0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:27.759 Uh. 0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:30.319 You know, it's its ability to you know, have us 0:52:30.480 --> 0:52:33.640 feel proud of the art that we make and how 0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:36.440 it affects human relationships. And she she brought up a 0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:39.920 few questions or like examples of of the types of 0:52:39.920 --> 0:52:43.279 stuff that she's that she's like you know, asking asking people, uh, 0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:46.359 as a part of this data collections, Like let's say 0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:48.600 you've let's say let's say you've had a friend breakup? 0:52:49.360 --> 0:52:52.520 Would you rather an AI tool kind of like like 0:52:52.520 --> 0:52:55.680 like counsel you through that process, you know, like like 0:52:55.719 --> 0:52:58.399 you know, like bounce ideas off and try to try 0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:00.680 to like move on or figure out like what happened? 0:53:01.640 --> 0:53:04.719 Or do you want like a temporary friend replacement? Do 0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:07.360 you want the AI to become a friend for you instead? 0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:10.000 Would you rather would you rather that be your friend 0:53:10.280 --> 0:53:13.520 for the time being? And like no, we we actually 0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:16.279 don't want AI friends. That's that's not what we want. 0:53:16.400 --> 0:53:18.080 Which is a lot of stuff at Yes, this year, 0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:21.680 it feels so much of AI this year is like 0:53:21.760 --> 0:53:25.880 it is like about replacing human friendship, so to preserve 0:53:26.160 --> 0:53:27.000 human friendship. 0:53:27.080 --> 0:53:30.319 Right, Sorry, it's fucked up because the idea of tech 0:53:30.360 --> 0:53:32.640 at least ten years ago was they would bring us 0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:39.239 closer together and would allow for deeper connections. Now it's like, buddy, like, 0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:42.360 yeah about that, you want to connect with the computer. 0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:44.920 I mean, this is what happens when I mean all 0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:47.080 these you know, this is what happens when everyone starts 0:53:47.080 --> 0:53:48.920 reading Marcus Aurelius a little too closely. 0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:53.840 So true, I don't know that reference. I am an idiot. 0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:58.400 People need to stop quoting books to me. 0:53:59.640 --> 0:54:01.720 I think that you don't know. 0:54:04.719 --> 0:54:09.640 Yes, yes, ed, Yes, Actually, Russell Croche will say that 0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:11.960 one of the funniest things on Twitter, which is he 0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:16.000 responded to one of the CNN reports I believe at 0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:18.520 the time and he was just like blocked blogger, which 0:54:18.560 --> 0:54:20.520 is one of the funniest things to say. Anyway, let's 0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:22.960 just ignore my forty. 0:54:23.280 --> 0:54:25.480 But this was the same thing that she was talking about. 0:54:25.520 --> 0:54:27.799 It is like, you know this thing where that what 0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:30.719 we're all seeing is like these air products designed to 0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:35.279 replace the role of human friendship. And another thing she 0:54:35.280 --> 0:54:38.799 presented as like this like surprising the problem of meeting people. No, no, 0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:42.120 it's it's it's it's it's it's actually helping you like 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:44.799 overcome the fact that you like lost a friend. It's 0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:46.480 trying to be like, hey, it's okay. If you lost 0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:51.080 a friend, this AI can be your friend instead. Yeah, yes, I. 0:54:50.960 --> 0:54:54.239 Mean the solution to like this loneliness epidemic, especially young 0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:57.200 people are going through. I can't imagine is more robots, 0:54:57.360 --> 0:54:57.560 you know. 0:54:57.719 --> 0:55:01.719 And yeah, one thing I keep thinking that's driving alienation. 0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:04.600 One of these guys who did who does? Like these 0:55:04.600 --> 0:55:09.719 companion bought chat bought sites. I think character AI, you're like, oh, okay, well, 0:55:09.719 --> 0:55:12.680 you know, you seem in interviews to be earnest about 0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:15.480 like people are lonely. Maybe we can't replace, but we 0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:17.880 can offer a salve that helps people get back to 0:55:17.920 --> 0:55:20.640 the point where they have human friendships. Again, what does 0:55:20.680 --> 0:55:23.560 he believe about people? And it's just like let's hang 0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:27.040 homeless people and you know, let's murder the poor like 0:55:27.080 --> 0:55:29.880 these like this sort of it's not a coincidence that 0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:33.320 someone building that sort of firm has such deeply pathology. 0:55:33.440 --> 0:55:34.279 It's so such the. 0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:37.120 Top as well, because the idea of an AI you 0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:40.840 can bounce ideas off of, is not inherently a rib idea. 0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:43.240 We sit there, we think about shit, and the idea 0:55:43.280 --> 0:55:45.879 of having a log of it. I general a great 0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:48.440 deal and I think many people listening to this, dude, 0:55:48.480 --> 0:55:50.880 there's an idea of looking at this, but are like, yeah, 0:55:51.080 --> 0:55:53.759 what if your journal was a person. 0:55:53.800 --> 0:55:55.319 Can help it gets worse? 0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:56.560 Oh yeah. 0:55:56.640 --> 0:55:58.680 The next thing that choose as an example is like, 0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:01.960 what if there's an AI that's trained on your preferences 0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:04.799 to train on your dating preferences what you like aesthetically 0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:08.200 and what if that could instead go on your first 0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:11.160 dates for you? What what? What if? 0:56:12.600 --> 0:56:14.120 What if this is literally a black mirrors? 0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:17.440 What what if this could like handle like icebreaker questions 0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:21.000 and like and like get over like hard life experiences 0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:21.440 easier for you. 0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:25.839 One of my favorite little perverse things was there once 0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:28.200 said one time said he doesn't like sex. What he 0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:32.040 would like he's just a Slovenian philosopher psychoanalytics. 0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:36.000 That's a lot he's you know, he means, yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:56:36.480 --> 0:56:38.840 And he was talking about how the ideal sexual encounter 0:56:38.880 --> 0:56:42.239 for him is two people taking their sex toys and 0:56:42.280 --> 0:56:44.000 those sex toys playing with each other. 0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:47.560 Exactly, and this is this is exactly what that's disgusting, 0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:49.200 and the ideal, the. 0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:53.920 Ideal perversion, the pure perversion of that is two people 0:56:54.120 --> 0:56:56.560 using those sex toys together to get each other off. 0:56:56.640 --> 0:56:58.680 No, that's great, that's wonderful. 0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:03.440 Good perversions pro sex podcast Christ the the the one 0:57:03.440 --> 0:57:05.120 where you send an avatar. 0:57:04.760 --> 0:57:10.400 That different, completely autonomous from from you and evil. And 0:57:11.400 --> 0:57:14.480 it was like this is this is why what she 0:57:14.600 --> 0:57:16.760 was saying was so odd because like she presented this 0:57:16.800 --> 0:57:20.720 as like a surprising revelation that that gen Z would 0:57:20.800 --> 0:57:23.880 rather live life themselves than have an AI live your 0:57:23.920 --> 0:57:27.880 life for you, and like like that was what she 0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:29.880 was trying to say, but it was so odd having 0:57:29.880 --> 0:57:33.040 that presented like some like surprising like exclusive fact that 0:57:33.080 --> 0:57:35.400 you can only get through like data research and and 0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:38.280 and she she talked about like there is like gen 0:57:38.360 --> 0:57:41.280 Z sees value in having like bad dates and like 0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:44.400 and like and like actually and actually like and actually 0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:48.120 like overcoming like challenges in life and like that's that's 0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:50.600 actually a core part of being human and we don't 0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:54.560 want that process like uh, like like smoothed over with 0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:58.240 like tech can't solve the hardship of life. The hardship 0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:00.640 is part of life. That's what makes life work living and. 0:58:00.640 --> 0:58:03.040 Like, yeah, how old are you? 0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:04.800 I'm in my early twenties. 0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:09.240 Sorry, I didn't want to get so gen Z. Yeah, Yeah, 0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:11.600 how do you feel about these assumptions? 0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:15.360 I mean, like again like this is these are questions 0:58:15.400 --> 0:58:18.280 that she's like that she's imposing to like you know, 0:58:18.560 --> 0:58:21.600 focused groups of of of like Jami, but like but 0:58:23.200 --> 0:58:25.240 they're really pandering, They're they're there. 0:58:25.560 --> 0:58:26.400 Is it accurate? 0:58:26.840 --> 0:58:29.560 Well no, because they assume such a base level of 0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:32.760 stupidity that they're like kind of offensively like even like 0:58:32.840 --> 0:58:35.000 framed the fact that I would be like would you 0:58:35.120 --> 0:58:36.720 rather have an AI go on dates for you? 0:58:36.840 --> 0:58:36.960 Like? 0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:39.760 Why why would you ever ask me that? That's that? 0:58:39.760 --> 0:58:40.920 That's fucking stupid? 0:58:41.040 --> 0:58:44.880 Some of the fun parts about romance. Wow, set the 0:58:44.880 --> 0:58:48.520 word correctly. They're always saying this about me with how 0:58:48.560 --> 0:58:53.200 words go? Is fucking up about exact of yourself that 0:58:53.240 --> 0:58:55.520 get banged off someone and you feel that you learn 0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:56.840 about yourself exactly. 0:58:57.000 --> 0:58:58.600 And that's and that's what she was saying, is like 0:58:59.480 --> 0:59:01.760 that's act atually what people want. People don't people don't 0:59:01.760 --> 0:59:05.200 actually want AI telling to to like live your life, 0:59:05.360 --> 0:59:07.760 you shouldn't take and and and and she and she 0:59:07.760 --> 0:59:10.920 she specifically provided to push back against this idea in 0:59:10.920 --> 0:59:13.720 in the in the tech industry, where like the smoothest 0:59:13.720 --> 0:59:17.919 possible path is the best one, right, you you want 0:59:18.080 --> 0:59:21.680 you want, you want to like optimize every part of life, 0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:24.760 and like what if that optimization actually isn't the point? 0:59:25.080 --> 0:59:27.120 What what if this like idea in the in the 0:59:27.120 --> 0:59:29.400 tech industry that we have to optimize and smooth over 0:59:29.520 --> 0:59:34.080 every hardship misses the entire point of living. And you 0:59:34.120 --> 0:59:37.200 have all these tech bros being like, oh yeah, huh, 0:59:37.280 --> 0:59:40.720 I guess so maybe maybe we shouldn't smooth over all 0:59:40.760 --> 0:59:41.400 the problems. 0:59:41.440 --> 0:59:43.240 It's like a it's a very maybe I'm getting this 0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:45.960 reference wrong. It's a very like Patrick Baateman Bateman like 0:59:46.000 --> 0:59:49.280 things of like I am optimizing everything to the tea 0:59:49.840 --> 0:59:52.240 and I will you keep it, keep it going? 0:59:52.480 --> 0:59:54.560 I mean no specifically in his in the book, you 0:59:54.600 --> 0:59:57.200 know that is like the sort of train of thought 0:59:57.240 --> 1:00:01.160 he has. This he's like kind of imp empty, engaging 1:00:01.200 --> 1:00:08.480 with life at the very superficial, craving something else. 1:00:08.840 --> 1:00:11.360 Like the final point she had is like and again 1:00:11.400 --> 1:00:12.920 this is all it's all kind of panderings, like you're 1:00:12.960 --> 1:00:14.920 saying like you're saying, like gen Z, but like this 1:00:14.960 --> 1:00:17.080 is like acrossing a lot of people, like but she said, 1:00:17.120 --> 1:00:20.760 like gen Z doesn't trust AI to understand the nuance 1:00:20.840 --> 1:00:27.120 of their lives and minial of course, but yes, like 1:00:27.760 --> 1:00:29.400 it was not a panel because on one hand you 1:00:29.440 --> 1:00:32.080 have these like like AI toys for kids, and then 1:00:32.160 --> 1:00:34.720 you have this woman with this company that works as 1:00:34.760 --> 1:00:37.960 sess to me and she's like, yeah, actually gen Z 1:00:38.040 --> 1:00:42.000 doesn't want AI to run their lives, and you're like, yeah, 1:00:41.880 --> 1:00:43.040 who could have thought. 1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:49.240 So, as we approach the final second of the thirds 1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:52.800 of Better Offline, Yeah, where can people find you? 1:00:53.360 --> 1:00:57.120 Well? 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Also 1:03:32.680 --> 1:03:36.120 feels like a good point to admit two things. One, 1:03:36.400 --> 1:03:41.080 I watched Neogenesis Evangelian and I was a teenager, and 1:03:41.160 --> 1:03:44.600 I did not understand the subtext. Oh yeah, so the 1:03:44.640 --> 1:03:47.400 whole time for most of my life was watching this 1:03:47.480 --> 1:03:50.800 show and being like, Danny's robots are fucking cool, and 1:03:50.840 --> 1:03:54.480 then like some weird shit happened. I guess I'm like, okay, 1:03:54.480 --> 1:03:57.240 but okay, the robot's back. Okay, there's like some stuff 1:03:57.240 --> 1:04:00.000 from space and there's a big head kind of fucking weird, 1:04:00.080 --> 1:04:02.800 I guess anyway. Welcome to Better Offline. I'm Ed Zichron. 1:04:03.000 --> 1:04:06.440 We are joined by everyone. We're joined by Robert Evans 1:04:06.480 --> 1:04:09.680 of cool Zone Media. That's right, all right, David J. Roth, 1:04:09.720 --> 1:04:12.520 who is gonna have to grab the mic? Hello of 1:04:12.600 --> 1:04:16.640 defector Edward Nguiso Junior, of course, will now have another mic. 1:04:19.040 --> 1:04:22.520 Kyle Shanard of the Las Vegas Sun, Hello, and Gaed 1:04:22.640 --> 1:04:25.240 Davis of it could happen here, Cool Zone Media and 1:04:25.280 --> 1:04:26.480 Associated Properties. 1:04:26.760 --> 1:04:27.800 Hello, Hello, Hello. 1:04:28.400 --> 1:04:30.440 We're at the end of CES. We have one more 1:04:30.480 --> 1:04:32.800 positive masculine e day coming after this, but this is 1:04:32.880 --> 1:04:36.520 really the close out, as all of us just slop 1:04:36.560 --> 1:04:41.640 ourselves into the remaining quarters of this convention center. I 1:04:41.680 --> 1:04:43.560 could not have had more fun if I tried, But 1:04:43.600 --> 1:04:46.360 next year I'll try. Robert, how has the show been? 1:04:46.400 --> 1:04:47.840 How would you summarize the show? 1:04:47.880 --> 1:04:48.400 It was great? 1:04:48.400 --> 1:04:52.400 I mean, obviously AI is here to stay. This is 1:04:52.440 --> 1:04:57.920 the worst it's ever gonna be. Everything's thank you, only 1:04:57.960 --> 1:05:01.080 gonna get better and thank God. You know, there's this 1:05:01.120 --> 1:05:03.640 little kid that I helped take care of and it 1:05:03.680 --> 1:05:05.720 takes a lot of time, as you know, as a father, 1:05:05.920 --> 1:05:07.680 ed a lot of time and a lot of effort 1:05:07.840 --> 1:05:10.440 to raise a child, and I'm just excited that TCL 1:05:10.560 --> 1:05:12.560 has a solution to that problem. 1:05:13.000 --> 1:05:13.360 We can do. 1:05:13.480 --> 1:05:15.400 It's what I've always dreamed, which is that you keep 1:05:15.440 --> 1:05:17.760 like a hamster like feeder and a water like you 1:05:17.840 --> 1:05:19.760 just took up a hose to the room and you 1:05:19.840 --> 1:05:22.080 lock the child in with a robot until they're eighteen 1:05:22.160 --> 1:05:24.480 or twenty like the room exactly. 1:05:24.560 --> 1:05:25.400 Yeah, it's perfect. 1:05:25.680 --> 1:05:27.000 You know, as long as you get like one of 1:05:27.040 --> 1:05:29.800 those lights that gives you some sun kind of effect, 1:05:29.880 --> 1:05:32.840 you know, they won't die probably, like and that's ideal. 1:05:33.440 --> 1:05:34.680 Have you introduced this product? 1:05:35.360 --> 1:05:38.880 I I'll introduced Oh wait, no, no, we have not 1:05:39.560 --> 1:05:41.520 just into the disparagement. 1:05:44.040 --> 1:05:44.640 No, I'll move on. 1:05:45.040 --> 1:05:46.880 No, I mean this is in the we had talked 1:05:46.920 --> 1:05:49.600 about how like cute little guys are part of the 1:05:49.920 --> 1:05:54.800 like that again about me, it's but that like this, 1:05:55.000 --> 1:05:57.800 the TCL is the most I looked at this also, 1:05:57.840 --> 1:06:00.240 and they have like a whole little video of like 1:06:00.360 --> 1:06:04.240 a towheaded child interacting with this thing. Yes, and his parents, 1:06:04.600 --> 1:06:06.440 the kid's parents are kind of like standing off to 1:06:06.520 --> 1:06:09.280 the side being like super listen, do you want to 1:06:09.360 --> 1:06:10.880 like go to the movies or whatever? 1:06:11.360 --> 1:06:12.439 But it's the most. 1:06:12.720 --> 1:06:15.360 It's probably the cutest of the cute little guys, but 1:06:15.440 --> 1:06:18.360 then also easily the most sinister, the most evil. Yeah, 1:06:18.400 --> 1:06:19.240 it's the most sinister. 1:06:19.840 --> 1:06:21.480 Well, and you stray towheaded. 1:06:21.960 --> 1:06:24.280 I didn't disagree with with Garrison, So I'm wondering how 1:06:24.320 --> 1:06:26.479 you thought, because I felt like they cast that child 1:06:26.520 --> 1:06:30.480 because it looked like he had leukemia definitely. 1:06:31.480 --> 1:06:33.520 Well, I don't want to say anything bad about the kid, right, 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:37.960 I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yes he did. 1:06:38.040 --> 1:06:38.160 Well. 1:06:38.520 --> 1:06:40.960 What he looked like was honestly the scenario you described, 1:06:40.960 --> 1:06:43.080 which is basically like we're growing a child the way 1:06:43.120 --> 1:06:44.280 that people grow mushrooms. 1:06:44.360 --> 1:06:48.280 Yes, in their house. Yes, it looks like. 1:06:53.920 --> 1:06:56.680 Yeah, huge bags under his eyes. Never seen the kiss 1:06:56.800 --> 1:06:58.040 of the sun or his mom. 1:06:58.120 --> 1:07:00.880 You do not know what vitamin sees is, little boy, 1:07:00.960 --> 1:07:03.680 But don't worry or d d well. 1:07:03.920 --> 1:07:06.440 Pfirst robot specifically for children that look the way the 1:07:06.520 --> 1:07:10.560 actor Brad Doroff looks right now, designed for that. 1:07:10.760 --> 1:07:11.840 I don't know who that is. 1:07:12.480 --> 1:07:15.680 I am the host of this fucking thing. You need 1:07:15.720 --> 1:07:19.280 to Okay, so we've also got Phil our bartender. We 1:07:19.320 --> 1:07:24.160 should talk in Hello. Thank you Phil, very good. That's enough, 1:07:25.360 --> 1:07:28.240 thank you. I really don't know how to direct this 1:07:28.360 --> 1:07:32.280 at this point because I invited like seven people into camp. Okay, 1:07:32.440 --> 1:07:35.400 well with us, let's start on an easy point. We'll 1:07:35.480 --> 1:07:38.200 just go around has everyone feeling at this point of 1:07:38.280 --> 1:07:41.760 CS we are at the end. Let's start with Gare 1:07:41.920 --> 1:07:47.080 because you are probably the like second least likely to 1:07:47.200 --> 1:07:51.640 say something legally actionable, and I realized that it is. 1:07:51.640 --> 1:07:55.960 Now a challenge. You haven't had all the conversations I've 1:07:56.040 --> 1:07:59.880 had with care. What am I doing? 1:08:01.200 --> 1:08:01.520 I don't know. 1:08:01.600 --> 1:08:04.439 I feel fine. It gets I was able to find 1:08:04.520 --> 1:08:07.360 some cool stuff despite having to sort through lots of slop. 1:08:07.960 --> 1:08:10.480 There's always one or two gems at cees that makes 1:08:10.600 --> 1:08:12.360 kind of all like that that makes all of this 1:08:12.440 --> 1:08:15.120 slop sorting worth it. So I was happy to find 1:08:15.160 --> 1:08:17.400 a few of those in Eureka Park. I also had 1:08:17.479 --> 1:08:22.240 my my family no, absolutely not, we're not We're not 1:08:22.280 --> 1:08:25.040 gonna do free publicity. Agreed, that's my job and it 1:08:25.160 --> 1:08:26.520 costs money anyway. 1:08:27.560 --> 1:08:27.800 But no. 1:08:27.920 --> 1:08:29.599 I was also able to have a little bit of fun. 1:08:29.680 --> 1:08:31.320 As soon as I realized that this show is just 1:08:31.360 --> 1:08:35.080 gonna be last year's show again, I kind of relaxed myself, 1:08:35.200 --> 1:08:37.320 being like I can just kind of do what I 1:08:37.720 --> 1:08:41.200 can kind of just like funk off. So I talked 1:08:41.240 --> 1:08:48.400 to a flying car company. It was real. I was 1:08:48.439 --> 1:08:51.080 waiting to interview someone and instead one of their like 1:08:51.160 --> 1:08:52.880 pr guys walk up to me is like, hey, can 1:08:52.920 --> 1:08:56.120 we interview you about your thoughts on this flying car. 1:08:56.200 --> 1:09:01.479 I'm like absolutely, I wish that happened to me, like 1:09:01.600 --> 1:09:03.280 I would just thought I will kill my It was. 1:09:03.360 --> 1:09:07.680 It was every the phrase ces miracle gets used a lot. 1:09:08.120 --> 1:09:10.320 That really was what did you do it? 1:09:10.439 --> 1:09:10.599 Though? 1:09:10.680 --> 1:09:13.479 Oh I did hell and so I talked a lot 1:09:13.520 --> 1:09:16.400 about like my concerns around safety for these flying cars. 1:09:16.680 --> 1:09:19.000 I I predicted it has twenty minutes in the air. 1:09:19.080 --> 1:09:20.760 It was actually it was a huge drone and I 1:09:20.800 --> 1:09:21.599 got exactly right. 1:09:21.720 --> 1:09:21.880 It was. 1:09:22.000 --> 1:09:22.840 It was a. 1:09:24.360 --> 1:09:26.840 Twenty minutes up in the air. It launches from something 1:09:27.120 --> 1:09:29.080 something that looks like a cyber truck. It launches, it 1:09:29.160 --> 1:09:31.760 launches out of the classic and it launches out of 1:09:31.880 --> 1:09:34.120 like the trunk of the cyber truck. You can get 1:09:34.160 --> 1:09:36.519 twenty minutes in the air and then you're gonna crash 1:09:36.760 --> 1:09:39.400 or which is my god, you will have some kind 1:09:39.439 --> 1:09:41.720 of AI assisted landing, And like I asked them, like yeah, 1:09:42.200 --> 1:09:44.640 so I'm crashing what's your plan for that? Like, like, 1:09:44.720 --> 1:09:46.240 what if you're in a populated area and you're like 1:09:46.439 --> 1:09:50.000 and they said, no, well, we'll have guard rail software 1:09:50.040 --> 1:09:53.479 to make sure it doesn't land in populated areas of 1:09:53.600 --> 1:09:56.439 like we have some of the papers from Night Capital. 1:09:56.560 --> 1:10:00.120 I'm launching this thing right in the middle of midtown Manhattan. Oh, 1:10:00.479 --> 1:10:03.320 I'm gonna do hover for twenty minutes, And which brings 1:10:03.320 --> 1:10:05.240 me to the second thing that they asked me about 1:10:05.360 --> 1:10:08.240 was like, like, what's you know, what's maybe some of 1:10:08.320 --> 1:10:10.320 your concerns or like, what's the first thing you think of? 1:10:10.400 --> 1:10:14.840 I'm like, well, a few weeks ago, a few weeks ago, 1:10:15.200 --> 1:10:19.559 a Deloitte consultant drove a car into like into fifteen 1:10:19.600 --> 1:10:23.760 people in a in a terrorist attack. Like same day, 1:10:24.040 --> 1:10:26.960 someone used a cyber truck to make a bomb. What 1:10:27.080 --> 1:10:29.720 if some rich guy loses his mind and flies this 1:10:29.760 --> 1:10:33.000 thing into a building and they did not like that? 1:10:34.400 --> 1:10:34.599 Why. 1:10:36.520 --> 1:10:39.080 I don't know what kind of PR trading these guys had. 1:10:40.479 --> 1:10:42.000 I don't know if they were prepared to this. 1:10:42.040 --> 1:10:43.680 Is like good enough PR training that they were Like 1:10:44.040 --> 1:10:46.599 this person seems nice, Let's ask them what they think. 1:10:46.840 --> 1:10:49.639 Turning to my turn to my class, like just killed 1:10:49.640 --> 1:10:52.120 you killed, like just gun in your mind, just don't. 1:10:52.240 --> 1:10:54.679 Don't also diet, like it's the best way you could 1:10:54.680 --> 1:10:55.200 go about this. 1:10:55.439 --> 1:10:57.920 But you would get into commercial aviation and not have 1:10:58.000 --> 1:11:00.479 an answer. The nine to eleven question is is just. 1:11:02.120 --> 1:11:04.880 That's in the past, so I was able to relax 1:11:05.000 --> 1:11:07.280 and have fun, you know, with moments like that, you 1:11:07.360 --> 1:11:10.320 had fun, you know, once it became clear, it was 1:11:10.439 --> 1:11:12.560 just like, you know, like AI software was like the 1:11:12.640 --> 1:11:14.479 king of this year once again, a whole bunch of 1:11:14.760 --> 1:11:16.720 things that used to be like, you know, actually kind 1:11:16.720 --> 1:11:20.360 of like all of the like university projects in Eureka Park, 1:11:20.400 --> 1:11:23.559 which sometimes has like a really cool new thing. Right now, 1:11:23.640 --> 1:11:25.960 all of that creativity is being is just being channeled 1:11:26.000 --> 1:11:29.080 into AI software, and that's in some ways disappointing to 1:11:29.120 --> 1:11:31.800 see some of the Some of the software is like good, 1:11:31.960 --> 1:11:35.120 like it works, it can solve problems, but it's also 1:11:35.320 --> 1:11:37.240 again like it's it's it's part of the slop. There's 1:11:37.240 --> 1:11:38.559 also a lot of slop software. 1:11:38.960 --> 1:11:41.200 I feel like we're in the slop society. I feel 1:11:41.200 --> 1:11:44.080 like we're at this point where everyone here, I think, 1:11:44.360 --> 1:11:49.200 is experiencing some form of mental damage from being here 1:11:49.320 --> 1:11:53.599 too long. Oh yeah, but also the thing, to be clear, 1:11:53.880 --> 1:11:56.519 definitely least the one commonality I have with Robert, which 1:11:56.600 --> 1:11:59.360 is Robert is the only person I've seen exhibit the 1:11:59.400 --> 1:12:02.360 same thing of like the Jokers feel where you're just 1:12:02.479 --> 1:12:04.599 like You're like it gets worse and I get better. 1:12:06.080 --> 1:12:08.439 I'm just fucking suffering, and like the more I suffer, 1:12:08.520 --> 1:12:10.800 the stronger I get, and the more intrigued. 1:12:10.360 --> 1:12:11.720 I get with the more pain I get. 1:12:11.800 --> 1:12:13.439 He's also the only person that I saw that I 1:12:13.520 --> 1:12:17.439 recognized on the floor of the South Hall of the 1:12:17.520 --> 1:12:20.479 Conventions that are where it was just like cell phone cases, 1:12:20.880 --> 1:12:23.760 like not technology, but just like Chinese stuff designed to 1:12:23.800 --> 1:12:24.679 be sold on Amazon. 1:12:24.760 --> 1:12:26.120 That's where Robert his best was. 1:12:26.280 --> 1:12:27.960 And he was he was like locked in. 1:12:28.120 --> 1:12:29.640 I was like hey, and he got like some of 1:12:29.680 --> 1:12:31.080 the way past me was like, do you fucking need 1:12:31.160 --> 1:12:37.280 something or whatever, like, oh man, it's from yesterday. 1:12:38.200 --> 1:12:40.040 Table that we were at. Oh my god. 1:12:40.600 --> 1:12:43.639 In my defense, there were really huge cell phones there, 1:12:43.840 --> 1:12:46.400 like massive, like it literally and inho and a half. 1:12:46.320 --> 1:12:47.559 Thick rugged cell phones. 1:12:47.600 --> 1:12:49.479 Okay, And to look at them, I had to touch them. 1:12:49.720 --> 1:12:51.960 We're not reporting on them, I have nothing to say 1:12:52.040 --> 1:12:52.479 about them. 1:12:52.520 --> 1:12:53.479 I had to feel them. 1:12:53.600 --> 1:12:56.679 Are we establishing that Rubbert Evans accidentally Big Times people, 1:12:56.800 --> 1:12:57.519 is that what we're saying. 1:12:57.840 --> 1:12:59.280 I did not feel big Times. I was just like, 1:12:59.400 --> 1:13:02.599 damn this guy, I will. 1:13:02.439 --> 1:13:05.560 Give the most derisive view of I did not know 1:13:05.640 --> 1:13:08.920 who Robert Evans was before August twenty twenty three, a 1:13:09.080 --> 1:13:12.400 fact I am regularly reminded of by everyone else. They 1:13:12.520 --> 1:13:15.280 mentioned Robert Evans too, Oh my god, the behind the 1:13:15.400 --> 1:13:18.560 Bastards guy, and I was like, Eh, this is a 1:13:18.640 --> 1:13:21.160 fucking guy with the weird avatar. Oh you want to 1:13:21.160 --> 1:13:22.080 do podcasts, but the. 1:13:23.560 --> 1:13:25.680 Fucking ass what you're gonna do about it? 1:13:25.840 --> 1:13:28.599 Mayah need money? It turns out I already a corporation. 1:13:28.760 --> 1:13:31.479 Thank you, no negative statements right now, all of you. 1:13:31.600 --> 1:13:35.160 I actually need this. But nevertheless, it is really fun 1:13:35.240 --> 1:13:37.840 being here with Robert because Robert again is one of 1:13:37.880 --> 1:13:40.439 the only people who experiences CS in the way I do, 1:13:40.560 --> 1:13:44.080 which is the Metallica song Frantic, where you're just like, 1:13:44.439 --> 1:13:46.960 it's not great but you're here, Oh yeah, and it 1:13:47.120 --> 1:13:49.599 kind of bangs, but not for the reasons everyone else 1:13:49.720 --> 1:13:53.400 feels totally sat anger fans line up all three of us. 1:13:54.000 --> 1:13:56.559 But it's also really fun being here this time because 1:13:56.640 --> 1:13:59.360 last year I was but a babe and very nervous. 1:13:59.439 --> 1:14:02.280 Now I'm just like, oh no, you wade into it 1:14:02.400 --> 1:14:04.680 with like your pants off, like you're just like I 1:14:04.800 --> 1:14:06.000 will see everything. 1:14:06.560 --> 1:14:08.760 And speaking of Metallica, I heard a pretty good Master 1:14:08.880 --> 1:14:11.200 of Puppets cover at the MGM Grand in the top 1:14:11.320 --> 1:14:13.479 three covers of Master of Puppets I've heard on that 1:14:13.600 --> 1:14:15.799 exact same stage at the MGM Grand. 1:14:16.040 --> 1:14:17.439 No longer interested in the text. 1:14:17.479 --> 1:14:21.240 So where was this? It was right near the ski ball. 1:14:21.920 --> 1:14:25.559 Okay, well I know where we're going. Dinner is canceled, fellas, 1:14:26.360 --> 1:14:29.920 That's where I'm going. But it is interesting because talking 1:14:29.960 --> 1:14:32.519 to the various reporters here about CS and why we 1:14:32.640 --> 1:14:35.000 do this, and no one can answer that question. But 1:14:35.120 --> 1:14:39.200 the way, it's just like I we're all fucking here 1:14:39.320 --> 1:14:43.000 every January. But it has been interesting. Gang one of 1:14:43.000 --> 1:14:45.599 four reports, like Kylin ging it could happen here, Robin, 1:14:45.680 --> 1:14:49.720 gare gang ed and Dave in like truly like I 1:14:49.760 --> 1:14:53.360 don't want to say objective, but like fresh looks. And 1:14:53.439 --> 1:14:55.360 then Robert and Gare of course, who are very much 1:14:55.479 --> 1:14:59.680 used to Robert is a separate creature. I mean that 1:14:59.800 --> 1:15:02.240 with more love than I could ever put into my voice. 1:15:02.800 --> 1:15:05.320 But it's interesting to get this few and then bring 1:15:05.439 --> 1:15:08.840 reports in and talk and they're like, yeah, well we're 1:15:08.960 --> 1:15:13.200 here and we saw stuff. But there's also an ephemera 1:15:13.320 --> 1:15:16.120 that is kind of hard to cover an objective journalism. 1:15:16.200 --> 1:15:17.000 Kyle totally. 1:15:17.479 --> 1:15:22.360 Yeah, it's I thought that my main takeaway from the 1:15:22.360 --> 1:15:24.760 week was the politics of it. 1:15:25.800 --> 1:15:28.759 I mean from I was at Panasonic's. 1:15:29.720 --> 1:15:32.559 Keynote and immediately you had people from the Consumer Tech 1:15:32.800 --> 1:15:37.519 Association talking about tariffs. I mean I walked by people 1:15:37.800 --> 1:15:40.240 wearing Department of Government efficiency shirts. 1:15:41.200 --> 1:15:43.400 Really yeah, which was really interesting. 1:15:43.520 --> 1:15:44.720 Did you hit them? No? 1:15:44.960 --> 1:15:45.320 Right, did not. 1:15:46.960 --> 1:15:49.840 I'll take care of it. No, no, don't crime so bad. 1:15:50.920 --> 1:15:53.400 But yeah, I mean, tariffs were just such a thing. 1:15:53.680 --> 1:15:55.360 I think a scene in articles I wrote about it. 1:15:56.400 --> 1:15:58.400 They were just kind of looming over the entire event, 1:15:58.520 --> 1:16:02.400 and it seems like, i mean, Trump coming in pretty 1:16:02.520 --> 1:16:05.679 pretty soon. It is just kind of hanging over everyone's 1:16:05.680 --> 1:16:07.559 heads on top of all the tech. So I mean, 1:16:07.840 --> 1:16:10.400 is that what, Who's Who's Donald Trump? 1:16:10.560 --> 1:16:10.800 Trump? 1:16:11.360 --> 1:16:18.639 No? Sorry, I'm drinking a bit. Yeah, I mean I'm 1:16:18.680 --> 1:16:20.240 trying to think of the political feeling. 1:16:20.439 --> 1:16:22.320 Yeah, there's there's a political feeling there, and at the 1:16:22.439 --> 1:16:26.040 same time, CES is happening. You're seeing this shift from 1:16:26.080 --> 1:16:31.200 meta that's just just I mean, especially on their their 1:16:31.240 --> 1:16:34.680 new policies regarding comments about trans and and just other 1:16:34.800 --> 1:16:35.280 vegan people. 1:16:36.680 --> 1:16:39.599 Yeah, what was it, something like you're allowed to say 1:16:39.760 --> 1:16:40.320 don't repeat. 1:16:40.880 --> 1:16:41.519 Yeah, no I'm not. 1:16:42.040 --> 1:16:44.640 But it's basically you can just insult trans people, you 1:16:44.720 --> 1:16:47.320 can sell get without any issue, Jewish people. 1:16:47.400 --> 1:16:50.360 You can refer to women as property too, and you 1:16:50.439 --> 1:16:53.320 can actually I really like, I mean at this point, 1:16:53.400 --> 1:16:55.320 I'm just like you could say, well, I think it 1:16:55.400 --> 1:16:57.720 actually is worth mentioning, like specifically, like the types of 1:16:57.840 --> 1:17:00.400 like insults around like mental illness that you're now allowed 1:17:00.439 --> 1:17:03.640 to call to like call queer people but not call 1:17:03.760 --> 1:17:06.759 other types of people. Actually is worth actually is worth mentioning. 1:17:06.920 --> 1:17:10.040 Like it's a it's a huge change. 1:17:10.520 --> 1:17:14.000 It's just an interesting show because it desperately wants to 1:17:14.080 --> 1:17:18.400 be a political, a moral totally bereft of these feelings, 1:17:18.479 --> 1:17:21.160 but it still shows it in the things they show, 1:17:21.200 --> 1:17:25.080 the collection of data, the kind of surveillance aspect. And 1:17:25.240 --> 1:17:27.519 it sucks because it feels like this show could be 1:17:27.640 --> 1:17:30.920 better because on the fringes of the conversations we've had 1:17:30.960 --> 1:17:34.640 of like, yeah, everyone's creating solutions for problems that they 1:17:34.720 --> 1:17:37.719 haven't even come up with yet. You get these things, 1:17:38.360 --> 1:17:43.479 the skin care product, the caine for blind people that 1:17:43.600 --> 1:17:46.240 can tell you what's coming up, really useful things, the 1:17:46.360 --> 1:17:50.040 translation stuff exactly, like yeah, like actual translation for a conference, 1:17:50.080 --> 1:17:51.920 so you could go to a conference in Taiwan and 1:17:52.000 --> 1:17:55.040 actually computext one of the most important conferences in the world. 1:17:55.280 --> 1:17:59.439 Really some really impressive like tech to assist people who 1:18:00.080 --> 1:18:03.040 are disabled. Yeah, I thought accessibility tech was like my 1:18:03.120 --> 1:18:05.400 main Hi. Yeah, a lot of good That's what Eureka 1:18:05.560 --> 1:18:06.400 was best at show. 1:18:06.520 --> 1:18:07.759 Yeah, it's weird that Eureka. 1:18:07.880 --> 1:18:11.320 The Poisonville actually had some good shit in it for that, 1:18:11.600 --> 1:18:14.760 and it had I would say the one like consistent 1:18:15.360 --> 1:18:18.040 like form factor for consumer tech that seems to be 1:18:18.120 --> 1:18:20.000 getting a lot better every year, and that reminds me 1:18:20.080 --> 1:18:23.120 of like how phones and tablets felt ten years ago. 1:18:23.479 --> 1:18:26.880 Is glasses tell me like they're getting smaller, they're getting 1:18:26.920 --> 1:18:30.639 more capable. I'm seeing like glasses that are designed for navigation, 1:18:30.840 --> 1:18:33.120 that are designed for recording. I did see to what 1:18:33.160 --> 1:18:35.439 you were saying about politics. A lot of glasses with 1:18:35.680 --> 1:18:38.960 that were specifically marketed based on their ability to aid 1:18:39.040 --> 1:18:41.519 TikTok that I'm like in a week that might not be. 1:18:41.560 --> 1:18:44.400 Such a good business. Well, yeah, yeah, I had a 1:18:44.479 --> 1:18:49.120 full conversation with someone speaking Chinese. Yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely 1:18:49.560 --> 1:18:50.040 the same. 1:18:49.960 --> 1:18:53.000 King That is objectively very cool. 1:18:53.080 --> 1:18:53.519 It's great. 1:18:53.800 --> 1:18:56.280 And was it a conversation with Nuance like it was? 1:18:56.760 --> 1:18:59.439 Yeah, more than I'd have been able to do, you 1:18:59.520 --> 1:19:03.599 know on my before we talked about making specific specific 1:19:03.640 --> 1:19:07.840 dinner plans, what we do for work a real coper too. 1:19:08.479 --> 1:19:10.920 This is the thing that I I and I've said 1:19:10.960 --> 1:19:14.200 this many times in episodes. I'm not anti tech. I 1:19:14.360 --> 1:19:16.719 wish tech was able to do the thing they promised, 1:19:16.760 --> 1:19:19.559 but I love technology. The only reason I know literally 1:19:19.760 --> 1:19:24.080 every person I'm looking at in this room is through posting. 1:19:25.560 --> 1:19:27.719 And I'm not even kidding. And this is the sickening 1:19:27.800 --> 1:19:30.240 thing that upsets my father. No, my dad's very proud. 1:19:30.560 --> 1:19:34.640 My therapist kind of like my multiple lawyers. Anyway, the 1:19:34.720 --> 1:19:37.160 idea that one can do that, but the internet and 1:19:37.360 --> 1:19:40.439 tech is fully capable of making these wonderful connections like genuine. 1:19:40.479 --> 1:19:42.680 I laugh about the Robert Evans think he found me 1:19:42.760 --> 1:19:45.280 through a podcast called Western KOBOOKI with my friend Caleb 1:19:45.320 --> 1:19:48.200 Wilson June and other people who are wonderful Alex as well, 1:19:48.280 --> 1:19:50.760 like the great podcasts and these all digital things, tech 1:19:50.880 --> 1:19:53.599 is fully capable. As much as I can be cynical 1:19:53.680 --> 1:19:56.200 and angry about this stuff, the reason I'm fucking angry 1:19:56.320 --> 1:19:59.559 is it's fully capable of helping people. And we've all 1:19:59.640 --> 1:20:00.439 experien that. 1:20:01.080 --> 1:20:03.040 That was the bit that I sort of was struck 1:20:03.080 --> 1:20:05.080 by again as like sort of somebody who hasn't covered 1:20:05.080 --> 1:20:07.680 this stuff as much and has had sort of, you know, 1:20:07.720 --> 1:20:10.599 the same sort of experience like a normal middle aged 1:20:10.680 --> 1:20:13.840 person's experience of tech. I was blown away by the 1:20:13.920 --> 1:20:16.720 capacities of the things that were there. I mean, like 1:20:16.920 --> 1:20:18.560 I didn't realize that it was like you could have 1:20:18.640 --> 1:20:20.479 a conversation with someone speaking in other language. 1:20:20.479 --> 1:20:22.080 Like I didn't see anything that that cool. 1:20:22.560 --> 1:20:24.800 But the accessibility tech stuff for me too, Like I 1:20:24.840 --> 1:20:29.000 found not just really impressive but really like heartening to 1:20:29.080 --> 1:20:31.400 see that. The bit that was strange and we obviously, 1:20:31.560 --> 1:20:33.519 like we have talked about this in previous episodes and 1:20:33.560 --> 1:20:38.800 stuff is the sort of contortions that are required in 1:20:39.000 --> 1:20:42.479 order to make that marketable in a way that like 1:20:42.600 --> 1:20:45.360 it's not like it's not a niche market to be 1:20:45.720 --> 1:20:48.000 like an old person or to be disabled like one 1:20:48.040 --> 1:20:51.000 way or another. That's like most people will experience that 1:20:51.080 --> 1:20:53.360 at some point in there. Yeah, and yet like the 1:20:53.439 --> 1:20:55.040 way that you have to sort of this is something 1:20:55.080 --> 1:20:57.599 that really struck me from yesterday that we talked about, 1:20:57.680 --> 1:20:59.280 you know enough that I probably shouldn't be bring it 1:20:59.360 --> 1:21:02.000 back up again that like you still have to come 1:21:02.080 --> 1:21:04.160 up with some sort of like industrial application to it, 1:21:04.360 --> 1:21:06.160 or you have to say AI or you have to 1:21:06.240 --> 1:21:07.600 do this stuff that in order to get people to 1:21:07.680 --> 1:21:10.800 invest in this stuff, which is expensive to develop and 1:21:10.920 --> 1:21:13.680 expensive to produce, you have to say the words that 1:21:13.840 --> 1:21:14.439 the money. 1:21:14.280 --> 1:21:15.439 People want to hear. 1:21:15.720 --> 1:21:17.720 The mod which is also like another of the sort 1:21:17.720 --> 1:21:20.600 of political aspects here that you've got this like in 1:21:20.720 --> 1:21:23.400 some ways many in many ways like a sort of 1:21:25.920 --> 1:21:27.640 tempted not to use this word, but I will say 1:21:27.680 --> 1:21:30.880 that it is like a good hearted intention. It feels like, 1:21:31.000 --> 1:21:33.360 especially with the disability attech, that is like actually aimed 1:21:33.400 --> 1:21:37.000 at using this new human capability to make people's lives better. 1:21:37.360 --> 1:21:39.080 And yet you still have to fucking pitch it the 1:21:39.160 --> 1:21:41.160 sociopaths if you want to get the thing made. 1:21:41.280 --> 1:21:44.320 And I say this is someone who runs a fairly 1:21:44.400 --> 1:21:47.360 successful podcast. I have fifty one thousand subscribers. I have 1:21:47.400 --> 1:21:50.200 a successful be off them. I've had emails about this. 1:21:50.439 --> 1:21:53.759 I have dyspraxia, which is a coordination disability. It limits 1:21:53.800 --> 1:21:56.760 my I'm wearing zip up boots, which look I'll bang in, 1:21:57.360 --> 1:22:00.280 but I can't tie my shoes. And this is an 1:22:00.280 --> 1:22:03.599 embarrassing thing about my life. I fucking hate tying things. 1:22:03.720 --> 1:22:05.479 I physically can't do it. And you explain it to 1:22:05.479 --> 1:22:08.160 people and they laugh, which is really good with something 1:22:08.200 --> 1:22:11.160 that you're very upset about that people love to be 1:22:11.280 --> 1:22:14.479 laughed at for that. I don't think people realize the 1:22:14.600 --> 1:22:19.040 capacity for technology to bridge the gap between your own bodies. 1:22:20.000 --> 1:22:22.240 I don't want to say failure, but inability to fully 1:22:22.280 --> 1:22:25.959 complete an action. And I think people are myself included 1:22:26.200 --> 1:22:30.559 at times exactly, but technology is one of the greatest 1:22:32.080 --> 1:22:35.240 What was that you said again, Jesus Christ, assistive aid 1:22:35.520 --> 1:22:40.680 Thank you assistive aids. And I nearly fucked it up again. Nevertheless, 1:22:41.080 --> 1:22:43.920 technology for me is a person has been something that's 1:22:43.920 --> 1:22:46.040 allowed me to bridge with so many of you. I 1:22:46.120 --> 1:22:49.120 will tear up on the fucking show people. I love 1:22:49.320 --> 1:22:51.720 people that I've been able to experience through their own 1:22:51.720 --> 1:22:56.360 writing and connections to them. But most of CS isn't 1:22:56.520 --> 1:23:00.640 fucking this. It's about bridging gaps between my people and 1:23:00.760 --> 1:23:03.360 money people to another money person so they can sell 1:23:03.479 --> 1:23:04.479 nothing to nobody. 1:23:05.080 --> 1:23:05.400 Totally. 1:23:05.520 --> 1:23:07.240 Yeah, I mean that's one of the things that's disheartening 1:23:07.320 --> 1:23:10.519 is I was at like the Samsung booth, which is massive. 1:23:10.600 --> 1:23:13.280 You know, it's the size of a very large house, 1:23:13.400 --> 1:23:17.080 like a mansion, and every square foot is tens of 1:23:17.160 --> 1:23:19.120 thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars in terms of 1:23:19.160 --> 1:23:20.720 what the cost to rent it and the cost to 1:23:20.880 --> 1:23:23.559 Like these displays they've got are very advanced. A lot 1:23:23.640 --> 1:23:26.880 of effort is just going into making the presentation as 1:23:26.880 --> 1:23:29.559 advanced as possible. And what I'm saying on display there 1:23:29.640 --> 1:23:31.240 is like, well, we've got a fridge that lets you 1:23:31.280 --> 1:23:33.559 know when your milk is off, and at the cost 1:23:33.640 --> 1:23:35.360 of you can never ever have a guy over to 1:23:35.439 --> 1:23:37.400 repair your fridge, never, never again. 1:23:38.920 --> 1:23:41.840 And you compare that too and Eureka Park. 1:23:41.880 --> 1:23:43.519 Today we saw a company who had a small booth 1:23:43.600 --> 1:23:45.559 that was maybe like four feet wide five feet wide 1:23:45.640 --> 1:23:50.080 called Knaki in a qi that their attempt was to 1:23:50.240 --> 1:23:53.880 develop like a way to allow people to control computers 1:23:53.960 --> 1:23:57.040 and interface with their machine with their phone in a 1:23:57.080 --> 1:23:59.800 way that is similar to how neuralink works, but without 1:23:59.800 --> 1:24:00.799 any sort of surgery. 1:24:00.840 --> 1:24:02.400 So it's an earpiece you wear in your head. 1:24:03.280 --> 1:24:06.800 Oh yeah, we kind of made fun of this, but 1:24:06.920 --> 1:24:08.240 if this is real, awesome. 1:24:08.479 --> 1:24:12.080 It seemed to like we like the use case. 1:24:12.960 --> 1:24:15.080 We like the use case for people who are not 1:24:15.160 --> 1:24:18.360 able bodied. But what happened when we came up to 1:24:18.400 --> 1:24:20.479 the booth, The first pitch we got was for retail, 1:24:21.080 --> 1:24:27.120 and then the interest in it was like, Noah, what's 1:24:27.200 --> 1:24:30.400 real is you can use this if you are someone 1:24:30.439 --> 1:24:32.920 who's not really able to use your arms or to 1:24:33.000 --> 1:24:35.200 move the rest of your body. You can slightly tilt 1:24:35.240 --> 1:24:37.800 it and that makes more sense than like being able 1:24:37.840 --> 1:24:41.439 to do a sort of like a retail cashier U 1:24:41.640 --> 1:24:44.080 secondary labor productivity aim. 1:24:44.280 --> 1:24:46.719 Yeah, I mean there was a because, like my mind 1:24:46.840 --> 1:24:49.680 was very much geared towards quadriplegics, but not just but 1:24:49.760 --> 1:24:52.200 the other because it won't work if you have as 1:24:52.240 --> 1:24:55.280 long as you have that muscular control like above your neck, 1:24:55.439 --> 1:24:58.000 like it will work because it reads micro gestures of 1:24:58.120 --> 1:25:01.720 your face and them the live demo they did, you 1:25:01.760 --> 1:25:03.680 could see the signal coming into the phone when he 1:25:03.680 --> 1:25:05.679 would make micro gestures and it would like it would 1:25:05.800 --> 1:25:08.080 you know, control the phone. So it's it seems like 1:25:08.120 --> 1:25:09.800 it works. I can also see I can't see like 1:25:09.880 --> 1:25:12.599 a retail app for like you've got your smart glasses 1:25:12.640 --> 1:25:13.760 while you're biking. 1:25:13.640 --> 1:25:16.120 Fucking works because we talked about it, it seemed to. 1:25:16.600 --> 1:25:18.479 But it's like, but it seemed I don't have the 1:25:18.520 --> 1:25:20.880 ability to like sound though they did. 1:25:20.760 --> 1:25:23.719 A conceptual yeah that so this is the thing because 1:25:23.720 --> 1:25:25.519 I think also there were three or four of them 1:25:25.720 --> 1:25:26.240 where it's. 1:25:26.160 --> 1:25:28.680 Like, yeah, there were there were variations. 1:25:28.720 --> 1:25:30.800 There was the one that was like almost like a 1:25:31.120 --> 1:25:33.240 retainer that you put in and it gave you the 1:25:33.320 --> 1:25:35.120 same It was a similar sort of idea. 1:25:35.800 --> 1:25:38.360 Yeah you use your sorry sorry, yeah you used your 1:25:38.400 --> 1:25:38.760 tongue for it. 1:25:38.840 --> 1:25:40.439 We were struck by that because it was a guy 1:25:40.560 --> 1:25:43.000 standing completely still with no expression on his face and 1:25:43.040 --> 1:25:45.120 a bunch of people standing around him recording them on 1:25:45.200 --> 1:25:48.719 their phones like this is like you've entered the daw Da. 1:25:48.800 --> 1:25:50.720 Section of the here Eureka Park. 1:25:50.800 --> 1:25:54.080 But but all of those booths together were like a 1:25:54.200 --> 1:25:56.719 tenth of Samsung's booth, and all of them were people 1:25:57.040 --> 1:26:00.720 utilizing significant ingenuity to attempt to solve problems For real 1:26:00.840 --> 1:26:03.960 human beings who were suffering as opposed to the Samsung booth, 1:26:04.000 --> 1:26:08.160 which was this massive edifice of capital attempting to solve 1:26:08.200 --> 1:26:10.080 the problem of like, well, what if your milk goes bad? 1:26:10.760 --> 1:26:12.280 Yeah, I know, and you know, and that's the thing 1:26:12.320 --> 1:26:18.439 I think also, you know, to this like inventive stuff 1:26:18.560 --> 1:26:20.360 was the most interesting of a few friends when you're 1:26:20.800 --> 1:26:23.320 degenerative diseases and like the you know, some of the 1:26:23.360 --> 1:26:26.280 stuff that gets made and offered to be able to 1:26:26.280 --> 1:26:29.840 give finer control over tasks that you need to do, 1:26:31.000 --> 1:26:32.880 especially when you have sudden jumpson what you're you know, 1:26:33.040 --> 1:26:35.880 you're able to do or not do very impressive. But 1:26:35.960 --> 1:26:38.360 then like kind of similar to what you were just saying, 1:26:38.760 --> 1:26:41.759 sometimes you actually you literally can't get that made unless 1:26:41.800 --> 1:26:45.120 you have to clonjure up some sort of secondary application, 1:26:46.040 --> 1:26:49.040 which is a shame and a problem with how tech 1:26:49.080 --> 1:26:51.520 innovation proceeds, right, because. 1:26:51.280 --> 1:26:53.680 You must show growth. You must be like this is 1:26:53.800 --> 1:26:54.920 how this is going. 1:26:54.760 --> 1:26:58.000 To tell There should be no reason why you have 1:26:58.200 --> 1:27:03.320 to consider anything other than that mediate and and an 1:27:03.520 --> 1:27:06.200 urgent use case, which is like someone losing the ability 1:27:06.320 --> 1:27:09.200 to communicate with the outside of regulatory avoidance. 1:27:10.120 --> 1:27:14.240 So from the earlier conversation we've had several times regarding 1:27:14.600 --> 1:27:20.559 regulatory power and authorized medical devices. So all of these 1:27:20.600 --> 1:27:25.920 products I have, I've sounded negative where you're trying to 1:27:26.000 --> 1:27:31.280 skirt and avoid these requirements. However, the agencies that certify 1:27:31.439 --> 1:27:34.920 them to want to help people. They want people to 1:27:35.040 --> 1:27:37.800 go through this process. So these are the things that 1:27:38.160 --> 1:27:42.400 the FDA loves to see. And it's hopeful. 1:27:43.400 --> 1:27:46.479 Yeah, I mean the I guess you talking about capital. 1:27:46.560 --> 1:27:48.760 I mean, the main worry is that if there's no 1:27:49.120 --> 1:27:53.320 growth opportunity for a product, then there's no investment, and 1:27:53.640 --> 1:27:56.320 and that's just it just kills products that have a 1:27:56.800 --> 1:27:58.559 one you know, use purpose. 1:27:59.320 --> 1:28:01.320 Uh and there that's all there is to it, because 1:28:01.320 --> 1:28:02.479 that's all there needs to be to it. 1:28:03.320 --> 1:28:05.200 And I think that's one thing that struck me as well, 1:28:05.240 --> 1:28:08.000 is everything needs to have beld and whistles that aren't 1:28:08.439 --> 1:28:09.240 usually necessary. 1:28:09.600 --> 1:28:11.599 So one of the themes I've discussed on this show 1:28:11.720 --> 1:28:13.960 is the rock economy, the idea that everything has growth 1:28:14.120 --> 1:28:15.880 or costs. And some of you, at the very beginning 1:28:15.920 --> 1:28:19.559 with very unfair, you're saying that he's just angry at nothing. 1:28:20.240 --> 1:28:21.360 I'm angry at everything. 1:28:21.600 --> 1:28:23.519 I love that when you do you Donald Trump voice. 1:28:23.560 --> 1:28:27.759 I can tell now I turn my head, but it's. 1:28:29.120 --> 1:28:32.720 I hope it's been obvious how pernicious this problem is 1:28:32.840 --> 1:28:36.960 because there are companies doing really useful things, and I 1:28:37.040 --> 1:28:40.040 talk about my dyspraxia because I don't know whatever platform 1:28:40.080 --> 1:28:42.240 I have. I want people to realize, if you fucking 1:28:42.360 --> 1:28:44.200 have this and someone makes fun of you, give me 1:28:44.280 --> 1:28:48.799 their email. I will personally make them regret being online. 1:28:48.880 --> 1:28:50.920 This is a personal thing. I was bullied, I will 1:28:50.960 --> 1:28:54.920 bully back, very unfair to them. But the point is 1:28:55.200 --> 1:28:58.320 there are real solutions, the real problems, real things being 1:28:58.439 --> 1:29:01.280 fixed today by companies that actually raising money. And then 1:29:01.320 --> 1:29:05.559 you've got the Samsung milk simulate that uses generative AI 1:29:05.720 --> 1:29:08.160 to assume when your milk won't go bad, as opposed 1:29:08.200 --> 1:29:10.120 to look into the fucking top and it'll bandar you 1:29:10.200 --> 1:29:12.640 a little bit, and the Bailey bought the Wooks and 1:29:13.120 --> 1:29:14.880 your milk has expired. 1:29:15.720 --> 1:29:18.000 I did see a product that I would say was 1:29:18.080 --> 1:29:20.360 my best in show in terms of products that you 1:29:20.479 --> 1:29:22.680 see an ad for in the first three minutes of 1:29:22.720 --> 1:29:25.439 a zombie movie and then it causes the outbreak and 1:29:25.560 --> 1:29:28.120 like that's the end of the world scenario, and it 1:29:28.280 --> 1:29:35.400 was called Vera Doxo. It's a product that generates a 1:29:35.600 --> 1:29:41.680 miss noise sweeps over your fruits and vegetables to stop. 1:29:41.479 --> 1:29:47.040 The most spoilt using plasma plasma. And here's the thing 1:29:47.320 --> 1:29:48.160 they explained this to me. 1:29:48.200 --> 1:29:50.040 They said, it extends the shelf life of like you 1:29:50.120 --> 1:29:52.160 can put this little box up and it'll it'll get 1:29:52.240 --> 1:29:54.680 the missed over groceries in your kitchen, or you can 1:29:54.800 --> 1:29:57.120 use it in like a in a grocery store to 1:29:57.120 --> 1:29:58.599 get all of the great and it'll extend the shelf 1:29:58.640 --> 1:30:00.760 life by thirty three percent. And that's a real thing 1:30:01.120 --> 1:30:04.120 that's massive, right, Like this, I have no ability to 1:30:04.200 --> 1:30:06.760 vet this based on what I know from Like I'm 1:30:07.040 --> 1:30:08.479 like absolutely no ability to bet. 1:30:08.560 --> 1:30:11.360 I'm gonna hat that missed I'm not I'm gonna huff 1:30:11.400 --> 1:30:12.040 that I did. 1:30:12.160 --> 1:30:15.599 Buddy, didn't get high, so tasteless as far as I'm 1:30:15.760 --> 1:30:16.920 so quick question anyone. 1:30:17.000 --> 1:30:19.200 It's like, if that's a shelf life of your vegetables 1:30:19.320 --> 1:30:23.760 leaves you glowing, youthful, ye, and then also like there's 1:30:23.800 --> 1:30:27.400 like a seventy percent chance you grow tail. Hey hey, hey, 1:30:27.560 --> 1:30:32.640 whoam Yeah you're trying to not sell Some people are 1:30:33.200 --> 1:30:35.800 that that's like the most innocuous, like that actually sounds good, 1:30:35.840 --> 1:30:37.760 like it's similar to something you would see and they just. 1:30:37.880 --> 1:30:41.640 Called it like like doom slayer, like but it's for 1:30:41.760 --> 1:30:44.719 your cucumbers, like we just we thought it sounded cool, volunteer. 1:30:48.160 --> 1:30:52.200 But also two things, Well, let's just focus on one, 1:30:52.240 --> 1:30:56.639 which is what the fuck does the miss what's made? 1:30:57.720 --> 1:30:59.840 The way they explained it is that it's a my 1:31:00.240 --> 1:31:03.679 and it kills before you actually get like molds starting 1:31:03.720 --> 1:31:05.639 to form. It kills them, so it extends a period 1:31:05.680 --> 1:31:08.960 of time the molds. It's so far just the mold, 1:31:09.040 --> 1:31:10.960 it's said. Because I asked if it was dangerous and 1:31:11.120 --> 1:31:15.320 they said no, I have no ability to visit the 1:31:15.400 --> 1:31:17.880 vera Ox people at this moment. I'm not trying to 1:31:17.920 --> 1:31:21.120 shit on that. Maybe this will massively improve the world, Okay, 1:31:21.200 --> 1:31:24.280 it just seemed like a product that caused the apocalypse, 1:31:24.439 --> 1:31:26.920 Like okay, that was when somebody said we. 1:31:27.080 --> 1:31:30.920 Make it agent vera Dux. This is like, oh, you're 1:31:30.960 --> 1:31:32.320 going to kill everyone I love. 1:31:32.439 --> 1:31:36.839 Okay, great, taking a wet market that's spread from a bag. 1:31:38.040 --> 1:31:41.160 So many nine inch nails fans here like a year 1:31:41.360 --> 1:31:44.240 zero I'm thinking of this is the big hand from 1:31:44.240 --> 1:31:44.840 the year zero. 1:31:45.400 --> 1:31:47.880 Yeah again, this scene right now could be the start 1:31:47.960 --> 1:31:49.479 of the Apocalypse movie, you know. 1:31:49.600 --> 1:31:52.320 Okay, one of us who's alive in three weeks like 1:31:52.439 --> 1:31:54.439 it is thinking back to this as they're fighting off 1:31:54.520 --> 1:31:59.080 viad ox. Use again to complain about the end of. 1:31:59.560 --> 1:32:03.200 Jiu Jitsu Kaisen, the manga, I'm going to just really 1:32:03.280 --> 1:32:04.240 put this in them. 1:32:05.400 --> 1:32:07.320 How did you want Jujitsu Kien to end? 1:32:07.720 --> 1:32:12.439 Okay, welcome? Did you want to get again? What you 1:32:12.479 --> 1:32:13.639 want going to take a break? 1:32:13.920 --> 1:32:17.679 Well, first of all, the people of the Jiu Jitsu 1:32:17.960 --> 1:32:20.840 High School thing, they do very unfair to mister Ryan 1:32:20.920 --> 1:32:24.880 and Suker All. They spend a lot of time building 1:32:24.960 --> 1:32:28.479 up abilities that do not manifest into an interest in 1:32:28.920 --> 1:32:32.840 these real people are these and I'm being very you 1:32:33.000 --> 1:32:39.000 made this podcast happen. Consequent the ending of Jiu Jitsu 1:32:39.160 --> 1:32:42.120 Kaisen involves a bit where Ryan mister Ryan and Sukiner 1:32:43.040 --> 1:32:46.920 mister Sto Go Joe. He's very unfairly treated. They show 1:32:47.160 --> 1:32:49.760 him winning a battle and then at the end of 1:32:49.800 --> 1:32:55.559 the battle he's dead. He's treated so unfair, and then 1:32:55.640 --> 1:32:59.120 it's just a simple dream sequence, which is very unfair. 1:32:58.800 --> 1:33:05.000 For Rigged, unfair for mister Ran and seeking now I'm thinking. Now, 1:33:05.040 --> 1:33:15.040 I'm thinking I have a different trumpet person. I am 1:33:15.200 --> 1:33:17.280 so sorry, I can see. 1:33:18.360 --> 1:33:21.000 I'm sorry that this is how David Roth feels about 1:33:21.000 --> 1:33:25.240 the Mets. So I'll move us back to the podcast 1:33:25.400 --> 1:33:27.479 as we wrap this bad Boy up. 1:33:28.720 --> 1:33:32.439 I have no ability to vet it based on the conversation. 1:33:32.040 --> 1:33:35.680 I have you never will. I genuinely want to thank 1:33:35.720 --> 1:33:39.080 everyone else in this room because we're doing another episode tomorrow. 1:33:39.120 --> 1:33:42.439 But this show has been conceptually one of the more 1:33:42.520 --> 1:33:45.000 insane things I have done, and I must give real 1:33:45.120 --> 1:33:48.519 credit to Sophie Lichtman, who is one of the hardest 1:33:48.560 --> 1:33:52.080 working and also most patient people in history. 1:33:52.800 --> 1:33:56.720 Oh yeah, and so oh yeah, she. 1:33:56.960 --> 1:34:01.720 Is the only person who can really move Robert oh yeah, 1:34:01.760 --> 1:34:05.040 who is one of the comment single most talented people 1:34:05.080 --> 1:34:08.439 I've met in my fucking life. And my comment there 1:34:08.479 --> 1:34:11.800 we go. And Robert turned to me a year ago 1:34:12.000 --> 1:34:15.240 and said, you seem to be more pissed off at 1:34:15.280 --> 1:34:18.639 these people than anyone And he was wrong, only because 1:34:18.680 --> 1:34:21.559 I was yet to get pissed off enough. Robert has 1:34:21.640 --> 1:34:25.160 been insanely supported of me in a creative means that 1:34:25.240 --> 1:34:28.439 no one else has, and honestly, everyone in this room 1:34:28.520 --> 1:34:30.720 has Geb turned to me and said, you seem to 1:34:30.880 --> 1:34:35.920 just be a series of grievances, and Gare was completely correct. 1:34:36.640 --> 1:34:39.439 It has been so fun hearing you get progressively more 1:34:39.640 --> 1:34:43.400 angry over the course of a year. It's it's been 1:34:43.439 --> 1:34:45.840 a real treasure and I mean it sincerely. 1:34:46.040 --> 1:34:48.200 I say this as someone who is a pair of yours. 1:34:48.680 --> 1:34:51.280 The work you make seems to get better every episode, 1:34:51.280 --> 1:34:52.760 and you're incredible at it. Thank you so much. 1:34:52.760 --> 1:34:54.880 You're getting none of this, Robert, You're just very good around. 1:34:54.960 --> 1:34:57.920 I say this as someone who is profiting off of you. 1:34:58.000 --> 1:34:58.839 Are you in a stanton? 1:34:59.120 --> 1:35:01.400 Should we should we make what that is like just 1:35:01.479 --> 1:35:04.200 hard medication. I'm just I'm just worried, dude. 1:35:04.280 --> 1:35:06.840 I am like the healthiest I've ever been, Like my 1:35:06.960 --> 1:35:09.320 v O two Max is like doing well, like and 1:35:09.479 --> 1:35:11.400 my dog just really happy. They don't know what I 1:35:11.479 --> 1:35:12.639 did ever since. 1:35:12.439 --> 1:35:20.240 I got a via dox. And that's another Cees miracle, 1:35:21.400 --> 1:35:25.479 which which leads which leads me to the which leads 1:35:25.479 --> 1:35:27.760 me to the last thing that I'll say is the 1:35:28.000 --> 1:35:31.400 first thing we all said on episode one is this 1:35:31.560 --> 1:35:34.519 feels like the Cees from last year, and we're not 1:35:34.560 --> 1:35:38.040 the only ones to think true last night, I was 1:35:38.240 --> 1:35:41.559 at the chandelier in the Cosmo. That is the place. 1:35:41.720 --> 1:35:43.720 Now we can write off the drinks and thank you. 1:35:43.840 --> 1:35:46.960 There we go and Robert I was sitting at the 1:35:47.000 --> 1:35:49.120 bar and Robert was upstairs waiting for a table and 1:35:49.479 --> 1:35:53.280 we got a table. Hard to do, and I said, 1:35:53.640 --> 1:35:56.920 it's another Cees miracle. There's a There was two people 1:35:56.920 --> 1:36:00.160 sitting next to me who turned was like, what's see, yes, 1:36:00.280 --> 1:36:03.360 or there was two people sitting next to me who 1:36:03.520 --> 1:36:06.920 turned and said, what Cees are you going to? This 1:36:07.120 --> 1:36:11.760 is this has been terrible and I I had a great, 1:36:12.000 --> 1:36:16.200 if if brief conversation with these people who were two exhibitors. 1:36:16.439 --> 1:36:18.560 Now I was a bad journalist, I was, I was 1:36:18.600 --> 1:36:22.320 too drunk. I did not I did not learn which 1:36:22.360 --> 1:36:25.200 company they were from. But there were two people who 1:36:25.240 --> 1:36:28.680 were exhibiting a CES and like, this feels just like 1:36:28.760 --> 1:36:31.800 last year's Cees. I was like, yes, this is what 1:36:31.920 --> 1:36:34.000 me and all my friends have been saying, like it is. 1:36:34.640 --> 1:36:36.880 It has been so disappointing. And it's not just us, 1:36:37.080 --> 1:36:40.400 like you know, somewhat tech critical journalists. It's people who 1:36:40.479 --> 1:36:44.040 actually like go to Cees to present who are saying 1:36:44.080 --> 1:36:46.640 the exact same thing. Like, yeah, this is this is 1:36:46.760 --> 1:36:50.920 last year's CES, but worse because there's nothing new. Yeah, 1:36:50.920 --> 1:36:54.640 and and this is like I did not feed them this. 1:36:55.080 --> 1:36:57.519 They turned to me and said this like unprompted, and 1:36:57.560 --> 1:37:00.680 they're like, what kind of miracles are you seeing? Like no, no, no, no, 1:37:00.800 --> 1:37:02.640 no no, that was sarcastic. 1:37:03.960 --> 1:37:06.439 It's remarkable to see. And David, I'm gonn guess yournees 1:37:06.439 --> 1:37:09.680 are about as bad as mine. But starting out in 1:37:09.720 --> 1:37:13.000 twenty ten, like right after kind of the iPad came out, 1:37:13.280 --> 1:37:15.320 there was so much excitement every year of like I'd 1:37:15.360 --> 1:37:17.400 never seen a thing that could do this. Every year, 1:37:17.439 --> 1:37:19.280 I'd never seen a thing that could do like and 1:37:19.320 --> 1:37:21.280 I would that would be every like room I walked 1:37:21.280 --> 1:37:23.160 into every like thirty minutes, I would see a thing 1:37:23.240 --> 1:37:25.640 that was like I didn't know technology could do that 1:37:25.760 --> 1:37:26.840 until this exact second. 1:37:27.479 --> 1:37:29.920 And that's just not CS anymore. 1:37:31.439 --> 1:37:33.280 Yeah, I mean it's like even as like a soft 1:37:33.320 --> 1:37:35.040 touch you can be impressed by, like a cool new 1:37:35.080 --> 1:37:37.720 TV screen. It's not the first TV screen, you know, 1:37:37.880 --> 1:37:41.000 not to brag, but there is like, yeah, there's certainly 1:37:41.080 --> 1:37:43.040 that sense. It's interesting that like the people that are 1:37:43.120 --> 1:37:45.519 showing here were also kind of like what am I doing? 1:37:45.680 --> 1:37:46.880 Like, I feel what am I doing here? 1:37:47.400 --> 1:37:50.920 Yeah? I think the and what batt Roughline has tried 1:37:50.960 --> 1:37:54.280 to do with this entire show is CS is a 1:37:54.320 --> 1:37:56.680 combination of people who don't want to be here and 1:37:56.800 --> 1:37:58.080 do want to be here, And a lot of the 1:37:58.080 --> 1:37:59.400 people that want to be here are the people that 1:37:59.439 --> 1:38:02.200 already live here to sell services to those who are visiting. 1:38:03.160 --> 1:38:07.280 But the fundamental problem with CES is that the show 1:38:07.360 --> 1:38:10.400 itself doesn't seem to be serving the use case of 1:38:10.560 --> 1:38:13.720 making things happen in the future. It's like, how can 1:38:13.760 --> 1:38:18.200 we make the present continue for longer? Yes? And the 1:38:18.320 --> 1:38:20.240 thing is something I've tried to do with this, and 1:38:20.320 --> 1:38:23.960 I should be clear about what this is. Everything you're 1:38:24.000 --> 1:38:26.120 hearing this week is something I came up with about 1:38:26.760 --> 1:38:29.719 five weeks ago. I wanted to do this. I booked 1:38:29.760 --> 1:38:33.120 this months ago, Robert then booked much later. It could 1:38:33.160 --> 1:38:35.240 happen here, and Robert, please get it. 1:38:35.400 --> 1:38:38.840 I was hungover at all. He is. 1:38:38.880 --> 1:38:43.240 Actually, Sophie is so much stronger willed, and that's very true, 1:38:43.360 --> 1:38:47.080 willing to respond. But Robert has been an incredible mentor. 1:38:47.120 --> 1:38:49.240 And I'm going to be sentimental and you're just gonna 1:38:49.280 --> 1:38:51.320 have to fucking suck it up. All Right, We're an 1:38:51.720 --> 1:38:54.800 award nominated podcast. I can do whatever the hell I want. 1:38:55.400 --> 1:38:59.200 But what I think this show needs going forward is 1:38:59.320 --> 1:39:02.080 more independent voices. And it means bringing in people like 1:39:02.200 --> 1:39:05.479 Kyle from Las Vegas Suck and allowing them to speak 1:39:05.640 --> 1:39:08.320 because it isn't so much. The problem these journalists can't 1:39:08.320 --> 1:39:10.920 say what they want is that formats demand things in 1:39:11.080 --> 1:39:14.120 certain ways, and the way to talk about tech is 1:39:14.240 --> 1:39:17.680 no longer as flat as and the product exists or 1:39:18.000 --> 1:39:22.680 tech company sucks. I can do both, but the thing 1:39:22.840 --> 1:39:26.719 is having these different voices, having these people talk about 1:39:26.760 --> 1:39:30.120 their experience of CS is on some level an explanation 1:39:30.240 --> 1:39:32.519 of how the tech industry feels. They're in this thing 1:39:32.560 --> 1:39:36.560 where you have this dichotomy between this vast millieaure of 1:39:36.680 --> 1:39:39.320 different things that are like, hey, what if this happened, 1:39:40.040 --> 1:39:43.120 you'd then give me money. What would that be? Like, Well, 1:39:43.160 --> 1:39:45.240 I'd have the money, and then you'd have the product 1:39:45.360 --> 1:39:47.479 and did something good happen? 1:39:47.960 --> 1:39:48.120 Oh? 1:39:48.200 --> 1:39:50.360 I don't care. And then you have these people like 1:39:50.520 --> 1:39:55.360 I'm gonna fucking solve people with eye twitches, people with 1:39:55.560 --> 1:39:57.680 twitching in their eye, which turns out to be a 1:39:57.800 --> 1:40:01.599 huge industry of people who are genuinely fucking suffering people 1:40:01.680 --> 1:40:05.040 with way bigger problems, like mobility problems, having that problem 1:40:05.160 --> 1:40:07.240 solved in real time. But the people that get talked 1:40:07.240 --> 1:40:10.840 about I have the most massive television, and no, I 1:40:10.920 --> 1:40:11.880 actually take that back. 1:40:12.880 --> 1:40:14.080 It's not even the big TV. 1:40:14.320 --> 1:40:16.360 I want a larger TV. I want like a two 1:40:16.479 --> 1:40:19.800 hundred and fifty inch fucker. I want to watch the 1:40:20.000 --> 1:40:20.960 Raiders lose. 1:40:22.439 --> 1:40:23.240 Well that was so. 1:40:23.560 --> 1:40:25.360 I had a moment at the Samsung with and they 1:40:25.360 --> 1:40:27.160 were showing off one of those transparent TVs and there 1:40:27.200 --> 1:40:29.320 was a lady who's hold another one another one. 1:40:29.400 --> 1:40:32.160 Well, I'm probably the same was No, that was LG. 1:40:32.360 --> 1:40:34.160 Last year it was LG. 1:40:34.280 --> 1:40:36.640 Yeah, I think it was LG. Yeah, yeah, I it 1:40:36.720 --> 1:40:37.439 all blurs together. 1:40:37.520 --> 1:40:39.760 There was a lady behind a transparent TV whose whole 1:40:39.840 --> 1:40:42.240 job was when the TV went transparent, to waverhand behind it, 1:40:42.320 --> 1:40:42.760 and I was like. 1:40:42.840 --> 1:40:43.720 That's that's your job. 1:40:44.960 --> 1:40:48.479 And it was this recognition as they're like walking as 1:40:48.520 --> 1:40:50.679 we Garrison and I sat through a guy who played 1:40:50.720 --> 1:40:52.920 us Ai generated Scot and tried to convince this that 1:40:53.000 --> 1:40:58.919 we did we know a lot. They needed musicians, even great. 1:41:00.439 --> 1:41:01.880 I would know No. 1:41:02.280 --> 1:41:06.800 The next time someone played that is a situation it was. 1:41:07.040 --> 1:41:10.680 It is very much a following down situation, yes, but 1:41:10.840 --> 1:41:13.759 the realization that, like there is a chunk of guys 1:41:14.320 --> 1:41:17.400 running big tech who will see holding your hand behind 1:41:17.400 --> 1:41:20.040 the transparent TV is a thing that human beings should do, 1:41:20.600 --> 1:41:24.400 but not making music, and like that that upsets me. 1:41:25.720 --> 1:41:32.000 It's just it's frustrating because entering into this and the 1:41:32.160 --> 1:41:35.240 format that I created in a Google dog three weeks ago, 1:41:35.280 --> 1:41:39.200 and some of some people even read it. Uh. The 1:41:39.320 --> 1:41:42.720 goal was to try and pull out how the show 1:41:42.760 --> 1:41:45.400 affects people and indeed the implications of this show do. 1:41:46.479 --> 1:41:48.920 I'm now going to return to the sentimental bit I 1:41:49.040 --> 1:41:51.960 was diverted by. I want to thank every single fucking 1:41:52.000 --> 1:41:54.519 person who listened to this but also joined me on this. 1:41:55.479 --> 1:42:00.040 Gare Davis one of these single insanely young and in 1:42:00.120 --> 1:42:04.320 a non specific way, I realize the single most talented 1:42:04.400 --> 1:42:08.160 person to come into anything associated with tech, insanely young, 1:42:08.240 --> 1:42:12.080 but also is insanely presient and aware of the social 1:42:12.240 --> 1:42:15.800 issues but also the context of basically everything they look at. 1:42:16.439 --> 1:42:22.599 Robert Evans the single most focused but disorganized person I've 1:42:22.640 --> 1:42:25.800 ever met, but also someone who cares so deeply and 1:42:26.080 --> 1:42:31.360 has such an innate talent at finding talent and empowering 1:42:31.439 --> 1:42:34.240 those voices. Without Robert Evans, I would not have done this, 1:42:34.400 --> 1:42:36.680 and I did try and like wave him off when 1:42:36.720 --> 1:42:38.800 he offered the podcast to me, I was like, yeah, mate, 1:42:38.880 --> 1:42:41.640 show you a fucking budget down even is in the 1:42:41.720 --> 1:42:44.320 actual jack off gesture in front of the computer. Robert 1:42:44.479 --> 1:42:47.240 and Sophie Lichtman, who will never get enough compliments and 1:42:47.320 --> 1:42:50.560 by the way, universal law with better offline. If you 1:42:50.600 --> 1:42:54.240 don't love Sophie, I will fucking kill you, not literally, 1:42:54.360 --> 1:42:58.880 but I will think about it very fucking aggressively. Robert 1:42:59.120 --> 1:43:02.200 has actually have faith in me that most people haven't, 1:43:02.280 --> 1:43:04.680 and the result is a fucking successful tech podcast that 1:43:04.800 --> 1:43:07.320 does things more successfully than most of the tech podcasts 1:43:07.400 --> 1:43:12.760 out there. Otherwise, Robert supports Gare, who has been so 1:43:13.000 --> 1:43:15.600 incredible and will do better work than I will ever do. 1:43:16.320 --> 1:43:18.560 But you know what, that's what doing good ship is 1:43:18.720 --> 1:43:20.280 knowing the people who do things well. 1:43:20.560 --> 1:43:22.679 What I've been really excited about this year is getting 1:43:22.720 --> 1:43:25.960 to meet David and Edward and now getting this is 1:43:25.960 --> 1:43:27.400 the first time we're in a room together. 1:43:27.240 --> 1:43:28.519 But it's not we talked yesterday. 1:43:28.680 --> 1:43:32.360 Oh Ship, I was so drunk, So sorry Kyle during 1:43:32.400 --> 1:43:35.920 the panel, During the panel the disinformation, Oh no, no, 1:43:36.040 --> 1:43:36.240 I was. 1:43:36.320 --> 1:43:42.160 I was just just high on mushrooms. Oh okay, and 1:43:42.360 --> 1:43:43.880 I've got some creative still in my part. 1:43:44.520 --> 1:43:44.920 I'm okay. 1:43:45.640 --> 1:43:54.439 I was trying to do like a sincere moment. Now 1:43:54.560 --> 1:43:56.200 let Robert finish his fucking thing. 1:43:56.320 --> 1:43:58.360 I was just saying, like, it's been very exciting to 1:43:58.439 --> 1:44:00.439 get to meet these folks, some of whom I had 1:44:00.520 --> 1:44:02.160 been reading for a while, or some of Moore. I'm 1:44:02.160 --> 1:44:04.320 excited to start reading and get to like make these 1:44:04.360 --> 1:44:07.639 connections because in a cees that is so anti human. 1:44:07.720 --> 1:44:09.439 It's nice to make connections to people. 1:44:09.760 --> 1:44:13.600 And I'm about to harpoon you with sincerity. Robert and 1:44:13.760 --> 1:44:16.560 Sophie have been the single and geare as well have 1:44:16.720 --> 1:44:20.720 been the most single supportive creatives I've ever fucking worked 1:44:20.760 --> 1:44:24.160 with my in life. I have had issues with believing 1:44:24.200 --> 1:44:26.439 in myself and believing what I can do. I have talent, whatever, 1:44:26.560 --> 1:44:28.519 Like who fucking cares? Email me? You're mad were you're 1:44:28.520 --> 1:44:32.559 listening to this little pig? But the thing is these 1:44:32.640 --> 1:44:35.519 people beyond when even a year ago, I didn't think 1:44:35.560 --> 1:44:37.280 I could fucking do this, And now look at me. 1:44:37.320 --> 1:44:43.120 I'm a fucking ultra ponce and it rocks. And I 1:44:43.200 --> 1:44:45.640 believe what cool Zone Media does is the future of 1:44:46.240 --> 1:44:49.920 fucking creativity. The idea that a big corporation can give 1:44:50.000 --> 1:44:52.439 someone multiple seasons to work out their audience and work 1:44:52.479 --> 1:44:54.560 out what they're building. You look at it behind the 1:44:54.600 --> 1:44:59.320 bustards could happen here, sixteenth minute politics, cool people who 1:44:59.360 --> 1:45:02.200 did cool stuf. There is so much cool shit that 1:45:02.320 --> 1:45:04.320 comes out of the idea of damn, what if you 1:45:04.439 --> 1:45:08.879 give people more time to build something than seven minutes? 1:45:09.840 --> 1:45:12.639 What if you didn't rush them to make something good? Better? 1:45:12.640 --> 1:45:15.479 Offline at the beginning was fucking rough, but we worked 1:45:15.520 --> 1:45:17.920 it out and you people seem to like it, and 1:45:18.000 --> 1:45:19.920 the people in this room are fucking adored. But don't 1:45:19.920 --> 1:45:23.439 We're not done. Phil Broughton over there feel brought in 1:45:23.520 --> 1:45:26.759 health physicist East picked me up two or three times, 1:45:27.320 --> 1:45:29.920 and I've been like shaping my pants, not literally, I've 1:45:29.960 --> 1:45:31.960 never shipped my pants around you. Let's not talk about 1:45:32.000 --> 1:45:34.680 that further. But the truth is Phil has been here 1:45:34.720 --> 1:45:40.320 for multiple CS's tending bar, grabbed the Mikey motherfucker tending 1:45:40.360 --> 1:45:42.439 bar for people and utimately doing the thing of asking 1:45:42.520 --> 1:45:45.920 them why they are here. I think that is the 1:45:46.000 --> 1:45:48.960 most valuable thing you can do in the consumer electronics show, 1:45:49.040 --> 1:45:52.760 asking people the reason they are there and finding out 1:45:52.880 --> 1:45:55.360 what it is they actually fucking cared about. And you 1:45:55.479 --> 1:45:58.479 do that so well while also serving various bourbons. And 1:45:58.560 --> 1:46:01.639 I was even like a man he replaced them. 1:46:01.840 --> 1:46:04.680 And I like this one, by the way, one of 1:46:04.720 --> 1:46:07.960 my that would be a part of Premium uh cass 1:46:08.040 --> 1:46:12.400 prank Thryer. That was a goddamn journey that made fury 1:46:12.520 --> 1:46:14.040 for weeks finding it film. 1:46:14.720 --> 1:46:17.560 I love you, I love all of you, seriously. Thank you. 1:46:18.160 --> 1:46:20.680 One of the things that made me happy is for 1:46:20.840 --> 1:46:23.479 everyone that I picked up at an elevator. By the 1:46:23.560 --> 1:46:25.840 time we'd hit the twenty eighth floor, I knew what 1:46:25.920 --> 1:46:26.600 I was serving you. 1:46:27.120 --> 1:46:30.600 Thank you so much, ma'am. David Roth. David Roth is 1:46:30.680 --> 1:46:31.519 someone I brought here. 1:46:32.200 --> 1:46:35.639 No take the fucking mic. You grab the goddamn mike. 1:46:35.680 --> 1:46:37.280 I will shove it in you out. We all know 1:46:37.439 --> 1:46:43.960 how good I am ed, which is why it's necessary 1:46:44.000 --> 1:46:48.240 to remind people. David Roth is the is actually my 1:46:48.320 --> 1:46:52.240 favorite writer, and he is one of the single most 1:46:52.280 --> 1:46:55.720 empathetic people who understands why people enjoy stuff, and his 1:46:55.840 --> 1:46:59.320 sports writing and cultural writing is genuinely influential over everything 1:46:59.360 --> 1:47:02.160 I've ever done. And I'm absolutely going self indulgent. There's 1:47:02.160 --> 1:47:04.200 nothing a single fucking person in this room could do it. 1:47:04.240 --> 1:47:07.559 Mattasowski is just sitting there being like, yeah, vacuuming up. 1:47:07.920 --> 1:47:11.200 But David Roth being here is like watching the movies 1:47:11.280 --> 1:47:15.080 with eBAM and it's genuinely I'm getting a little emotional. 1:47:15.600 --> 1:47:18.960 But thank you, David, and thanks for having me. For real, 1:47:19.120 --> 1:47:20.000 I feel the same. 1:47:20.400 --> 1:47:24.960 Edward Graso Junior. You are an undiscovered talent and anyone 1:47:25.080 --> 1:47:26.880 fortunate enough to listen to this should now they should 1:47:26.960 --> 1:47:31.439 hire you immediately because when you finally take off, when 1:47:31.439 --> 1:47:33.920 you finally get big enough, you are the single most 1:47:34.000 --> 1:47:35.280 capable grab the microphone. 1:47:35.320 --> 1:47:37.400 Motherfucker, hello, I said, when I get my gun. 1:47:40.400 --> 1:47:42.519 Okay, let's walk back to the guy. 1:47:43.760 --> 1:47:46.479 Okay, let's cut that out on the words, my. 1:47:47.680 --> 1:47:49.400 Matt, this is still keep it in. 1:47:49.560 --> 1:47:51.559 But just to be clear, the gun was a metaphor 1:47:51.760 --> 1:47:53.919 right for my potential. 1:47:58.880 --> 1:48:01.960 I'm really trying. Sorry, no more, no more. 1:48:03.360 --> 1:48:08.720 I know You're not done, ed there are there really 1:48:08.800 --> 1:48:10.519 isn't not the right that it can do the kind 1:48:10.560 --> 1:48:13.439 of labor reporting you do and the understanding of the 1:48:13.479 --> 1:48:15.720 human experience that you can do. You are just at 1:48:15.720 --> 1:48:18.920 the beginning, and I can't wait to bring you back 1:48:18.960 --> 1:48:21.639 on this show and have you do more. I love 1:48:21.680 --> 1:48:24.920 all of you so much. But also, your potential is barey. 1:48:25.080 --> 1:48:27.439 You are, your potential is barely getting started. Is some 1:48:27.640 --> 1:48:29.360 ship you'd see on a CS banner. 1:48:29.400 --> 1:48:31.559 Though, this is the worst. 1:48:33.920 --> 1:48:35.120 This is the worst I'll ever be. 1:48:36.640 --> 1:48:37.120 That's right. 1:48:37.760 --> 1:48:40.120 That's right, brother, That's why I put on a hinge 1:48:43.000 --> 1:48:46.519 that I actually might put that on hinge. Any any 1:48:46.640 --> 1:48:49.040 singles want to email me like, that's what's. 1:48:48.840 --> 1:48:51.200 On, darling. I know I've vomited in your car, but 1:48:51.320 --> 1:48:53.559 let me assure you this is the worst I'm ever 1:48:53.720 --> 1:48:54.080 gonna be. 1:48:57.280 --> 1:49:01.960 Oh my god, you may think I just meant you, 1:49:02.040 --> 1:49:05.519 so that's true. You came on this show completely, You 1:49:05.560 --> 1:49:08.320 were actually well prepared. You had a laptop out, which 1:49:08.400 --> 1:49:12.160 fucking rocks. You actually like took this seriously much like 1:49:12.320 --> 1:49:14.320 I did with my laptop. Glad that I don't have 1:49:14.520 --> 1:49:19.040 in the preparation I definitely did. Here's the thing. On 1:49:19.120 --> 1:49:22.040 an instinctual level, when your first thought is labor, that 1:49:22.160 --> 1:49:25.360 says a lot about you as a person. It's incredible 1:49:26.040 --> 1:49:28.840 that you immediately jumped to the hospitality workers in this 1:49:28.960 --> 1:49:32.519 city that are before by the various conferences, and you thought, 1:49:32.560 --> 1:49:34.560 how the fuck does this affect them? Because when it 1:49:34.600 --> 1:49:37.200 comes to better offline and what this fucking show actually means, 1:49:37.439 --> 1:49:40.320 it's what the actual effects of technology are on people. 1:49:41.280 --> 1:49:43.360 So thank you for joining us, of course, and please 1:49:43.439 --> 1:49:44.960 keep doing your shit. You're going to be back on 1:49:45.080 --> 1:49:47.280 because we live in the same city we do, and 1:49:47.400 --> 1:49:48.400 I will be finding you. 1:49:48.840 --> 1:49:53.400 God, no, God, somebody more actionable threats in these episodes 1:49:53.439 --> 1:49:54.280 than I'd expected. 1:49:54.720 --> 1:49:56.280 That's not a threat, it's a promise. 1:49:56.920 --> 1:49:57.479 Oh, thank you. 1:49:59.560 --> 1:50:03.760 I would thank me, And then of course to Mattiasowski. 1:50:04.560 --> 1:50:08.000 Manisowski is our producer, and he is the silent party 1:50:08.240 --> 1:50:11.559 who has been sitting here patiently the entire show, working 1:50:11.640 --> 1:50:14.080 through texting me time signals. When I text him I 1:50:14.200 --> 1:50:18.800 have BURBD. He edits that out because it's happened three times. 1:50:18.840 --> 1:50:23.760 I believe Matt. I and I bring up Matt Hughes here, 1:50:23.880 --> 1:50:27.000 my word editor, who has been so patient with him. 1:50:27.040 --> 1:50:29.559 Megan wernstromo over at Penguin, who has also been patient 1:50:29.600 --> 1:50:33.320 reading the dross. I assume she says it's good. But 1:50:33.640 --> 1:50:37.320 back to Mattisowski. Matt has been here since the beginning 1:50:37.320 --> 1:50:39.840 when I was really not fucking confident about this show 1:50:39.840 --> 1:50:43.439 and I was genuinely experiencing like real anxiety and worry. 1:50:44.120 --> 1:50:47.800 Matt encouraged me, work with me and edited. Matt. Love 1:50:47.800 --> 1:50:50.280 you man, Thank you so much for your hard work 1:50:50.520 --> 1:50:52.879 this entire week. Could you come over to the microphone 1:50:52.920 --> 1:50:56.880 and just say hello, Hello. Mattisowski is a protected party. 1:50:56.880 --> 1:51:00.360 If you ever wrong Mattisowski, I will destroy you, actually 1:51:00.360 --> 1:51:02.360 everyone in this room. But really, like, if you fuck 1:51:02.400 --> 1:51:05.000 with Mattasowski, I will actually fucking peck out your eyes 1:51:05.040 --> 1:51:08.080 like a podcast voice, like a big bird if you 1:51:08.120 --> 1:51:12.479 play Final Fantasy fifteen, specifically the zoo Bird, very big bird. 1:51:13.920 --> 1:51:17.440 You've been listening to the better off line CS experience. 1:51:18.880 --> 1:51:21.759 I am so grateful that you've been here, and tomorrow 1:51:21.800 --> 1:51:23.720 you'll get a final wrap up episode. But this is 1:51:23.800 --> 1:51:28.479 really like the rap night. I am actually really grateful 1:51:28.520 --> 1:51:30.800 for everyone who came in. Everyone's really fucking showed up 1:51:30.840 --> 1:51:32.800 and just had an incredible show for a show that 1:51:32.920 --> 1:51:37.479 is so regularly so fucking miserable and so lifeless about 1:51:37.880 --> 1:51:40.439 people that people are imagining rather than real people. And 1:51:40.520 --> 1:51:43.880 everyone's been here and just shown an incredible fucking show. 1:51:43.920 --> 1:51:47.519 I'm so grateful to everyone for being here. Thank you, 1:51:48.200 --> 1:51:52.000 and I'm now going to pass the microphone around, starting 1:51:52.080 --> 1:51:55.160 with Zai, who's been here, Zi please join us? Thank 1:51:55.240 --> 1:51:59.840 you for hi. Hello, You've been wonderful taking photos. Thank you. 1:52:00.160 --> 1:52:02.360 And then we'll now go to Robert Evans. Thank you, Robert. 1:52:02.760 --> 1:52:04.800 I just want everyone to know that you know as 1:52:04.840 --> 1:52:08.400 the verver a ox miss takes your loved ones. Ed 1:52:08.680 --> 1:52:09.439 Ed cares about you. 1:52:10.360 --> 1:52:10.639 Phil. 1:52:13.120 --> 1:52:15.120 I want to thank everyone. It's been a pleasure to 1:52:15.200 --> 1:52:18.879 be here and to serve, to serve and be of service. 1:52:19.320 --> 1:52:22.080 David Roff, thanks very much. It's a good time and 1:52:22.439 --> 1:52:23.960 I feel like I learned a lot. 1:52:24.840 --> 1:52:26.000 Mister Wrongways. 1:52:27.360 --> 1:52:29.160 Had a great time, and I'm not going to make 1:52:29.200 --> 1:52:31.000 any more legally actionable threats. 1:52:31.560 --> 1:52:31.920 Thanks. 1:52:35.320 --> 1:52:38.240 Yeah, Coon, you can just say yeah, this was This 1:52:38.400 --> 1:52:39.559 was my first ES. 1:52:39.640 --> 1:52:43.599 Ever, and I really enjoyed figuring out what was real 1:52:43.680 --> 1:52:46.559 and what wasn't and support local journalism. 1:52:47.040 --> 1:52:49.840 Yeah well, and thank you Ed for putting this whole 1:52:49.840 --> 1:52:53.000 space together. This has been a fantastic escape away from 1:52:53.000 --> 1:52:57.080 the show floor. I spent five hours in the Venetian today. 1:52:57.200 --> 1:53:02.360 Coming up here was a wonderful reprieve and you really, 1:53:02.439 --> 1:53:04.639 you really put this all together. So thank you so much, 1:53:04.760 --> 1:53:07.760 and your hard work over the last year on Better 1:53:07.800 --> 1:53:12.320 Offline has been has been lovely, has been lovely to watch. 1:53:12.720 --> 1:53:14.880 Thank you so much, and thank you so much for 1:53:15.000 --> 1:53:17.880 your listeners. If you've got to this point, I I'm 1:53:17.960 --> 1:53:21.600 so sorry, but also thank you for your patience. I 1:53:21.720 --> 1:53:27.040 hope I've successfully encapsulated ces. I've given you the various 1:53:27.160 --> 1:53:30.040 joketor positions of the show. Tomorrow you'll have a wonderful 1:53:30.080 --> 1:53:34.559 positive masculinity day. As the remaining crew me Mattasowski, Phil Broughton, 1:53:34.600 --> 1:53:38.240 and Edon Guaiso Junior kind of like smooth. 1:53:37.880 --> 1:53:42.160 Ourselves out, real smooth like. But today's the last day 1:53:42.200 --> 1:53:46.320 of the show. Email me easy or ease ed. If 1:53:46.360 --> 1:53:49.599 you're one of those people at Better Offline dot com, 1:53:50.600 --> 1:53:53.240 please let me know what you thought. A lot of 1:53:53.320 --> 1:53:56.080 you have emailed like we had we didn't have enough 1:53:56.120 --> 1:53:58.080 woman on this We next year we're going to fucking 1:53:58.120 --> 1:54:01.040 correct that. We luckily got victorious Charisa Belle and of 1:54:01.120 --> 1:54:03.560 course Sheerlyn Lowe, who really balanced that out. We'll do 1:54:03.600 --> 1:54:06.800 a better job last last time. Wow, the concept of 1:54:06.920 --> 1:54:10.720 time is fucked up. Nevertheless, we'll do a better job 1:54:10.800 --> 1:54:13.200 next year. And I love your feedback and I actually 1:54:13.240 --> 1:54:15.479 read all the emails. Will I respond to them. It 1:54:15.640 --> 1:54:20.000 gets increasingly harder each each week, which is a good sign, 1:54:20.040 --> 1:54:24.479 I guess. Either way, I'm very grateful for all of you. 1:54:24.640 --> 1:54:27.000 A lot of people have given a lot of people 1:54:27.280 --> 1:54:31.639 given me faith, given my given their faith Jesus Christ 1:54:32.520 --> 1:54:34.520 in the show in the last year, It's only going 1:54:34.600 --> 1:54:36.680 to get better. But next c Yes is going to 1:54:36.720 --> 1:54:42.160 be weirder. Geah has ideas, I have ideas, and it's 1:54:42.640 --> 1:54:45.520 just going to be sharper. It's just going to be weirder. 1:54:46.160 --> 1:54:48.440 You have another episode, There's going to be more Viera 1:54:48.480 --> 1:54:50.840 Nax too. Palpatine will be back. 1:54:51.000 --> 1:54:52.920 Cees twenty twenty four, Part three. 1:54:53.200 --> 1:54:55.440 I'm actually going to try and contact the e mcdummot. 1:54:55.440 --> 1:54:58.600 But anyway, thank you so much for listening. I know 1:54:58.680 --> 1:55:02.280 it's a lot of audio and and I I'm really 1:55:02.400 --> 1:55:05.839 grateful for everyone who contacts I love everyone who listens. 1:55:06.360 --> 1:55:09.440 I genuinely mes so grateful. I am not really good 1:55:09.480 --> 1:55:12.480 at hiding any of like the me in this and 1:55:12.560 --> 1:55:15.320 a lot of podcasts are very performative. I've phil can 1:55:15.400 --> 1:55:17.960 speak to this more than anyone I'm not really good 1:55:18.000 --> 1:55:23.960 at like pretending there is no off switch. I genuinely 1:55:24.040 --> 1:55:33.800 love you all. Thank you for listening. Thank you for 1:55:33.880 --> 1:55:36.520 listening to Better Offline. 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