1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: Hello, My loves, Welcome to the bonus episode of the 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Give Them La La Podcast by Gorgeous Girl. I wanted 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: to hone in on relationships, friendships, a couple topics that 4 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 1: I was really interested in. I asked you guys on 5 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: the Give Them La La podcast page, which is give 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: Them La La pod on ig for any of For 7 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: those of you who don't follow, like that follow button 8 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: because I love audience participation. My first question on the 9 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: heels of Durrey Kemsley filing for divorce one day after 10 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: PK was seen kissing a Oh was you on the 11 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: Amazing Race? I think it was what it was they 12 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: were seen kissing. The next day, dere files for divorce. 13 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: We spoke about this on the normal episode last week, 14 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: but I wanted to know during a separation, can you 15 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: still see other people. I have a pretty strong opinion 16 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: about this, okay, because when you take two people who 17 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: are in a relationship and you've been intimate. I'm a 18 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: firm believer of relationships are already very, very complicated. When 19 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: you add intimacy into it, there's a level of annoyance 20 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: that comes with it. Like I think about things that 21 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: happen throughout the day. Lily, who can't walk and she 22 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: cries all the livelong day, sometimes poops herself. And I'm like, 23 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: if I were dealing with this not with my mom, 24 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: but dealing with it with a partner, where I've got 25 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: two kids who are making a mess. Sosa, you know, 26 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: is still a baby. Lily shits herself. If you added 27 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: a partner who I'm intimate with, it could add a 28 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: tremendous level of stress, right. 29 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: But it shouldn't. It just does. 30 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: That's very true, and that's why over fifty percent of 31 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: marriages don't work out, because a lot of things come 32 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,839 Speaker 1: into the mix and people don't evolve together. Chances are, 33 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: when two people decide let's hit pause, one person is 34 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: probably picturing this pause differently than the other person. I 35 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: think it has to be something that you lay out very, 36 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: very clearly during this separation. My intent is to gather 37 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: clarity in this moment. I want to take time to myself. 38 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: I want to feel what it's like to be on 39 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: my own. If at any point in time, the feeling 40 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: of being alone leads to I don't want to be alone, 41 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: but I don't want to be with you, I will 42 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: convey that to you and let you know I would 43 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: like to see other people. Now you have to wait 44 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: for their response. What if the other person is like, well, 45 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: I don't want to see other peopeople, or I'm dead 46 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: set on during the separation test in the waters. At 47 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: that point in time, I think you now know you 48 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: have no choice. But then there's the flip side. What 49 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: if you go out and you test the waters and 50 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: you're like, I actually don't want to be with anybody 51 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: but you. 52 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what people are saying, but 53 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: the only thing I could say is conversation, and then 54 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: from that it's going to be a personal however they 55 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 2: take it. 56 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: The conversation. It's like communication the key to success in 57 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: any relationship, yet it is the most complex, most difficult 58 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: thing to have in all relationships. And actually the comment 59 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: section of this question was kind of on our same page. 60 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: Like communication, but when you get to that point, it 61 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: actually becomes very difficult because you don't know what you want. 62 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: That's why you're going the separation route rather than straight 63 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: to divorce. So Mace Underscore Hunters six one eight says, 64 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: I think it depends is the marriage one hundred and 65 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: ten percent over or is one person still hoping to reconcile. 66 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: I believe that Deret she had said, I'm still very 67 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: much in love with him. That's where it gets very, 68 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: very difficult. I think if you have someone and you're 69 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: in the public eye, and you have one person saying 70 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: I'm still in love with you. I'm not seeing anybody, 71 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: but I'm open to it. The other person should at 72 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: least have enough respect for you, especially as the mother 73 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: or father of your children, to not go out and 74 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 1: display affection for someone else until a divorce has happened. 75 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's communication. And all I'm thinking about right now. 76 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 2: And all of this is the movie Hall Pass. 77 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: Oh God, that ended bad for everyone. By the way, Uh, 78 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: who did it not end bad? 79 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: Pole Past? They all they get together. Yeah, it ends 80 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: well for everyone. Oh so yeah, a lot of But. 81 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: I mean it is it'll see the extent. Then you 82 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: got to worry about the aftermath. You make up. But 83 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: then it's it's in your mind, like, oh, he touched 84 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: another woman. 85 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 2: But that's where it's going to be up to the 86 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 2: person who was doing it, because say you're in a relationship, 87 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 2: yeah you want to make it work. He wants to 88 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: test the waters. You aren't gonna be okay with that, 89 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: But there is going to be somebody that is like, Okay, 90 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: go and do it. Maybe you'll do it too, him 91 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 2: going out and testing it and maybe coming back and 92 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 2: then treating you like you should have been treated the 93 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: whole time, like oh my god, I didn't know what 94 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 2: I had. 95 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: I would have thought, why couldn't you do this before 96 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: you went? And that's the other And that's why I 97 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: know any any cheating involved your your where John, I 98 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: can I can never get over it. Agreed, underscore cute 99 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: underscore Nova says, no, finish the drama and then move 100 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: on fully Agree Mommy net seventy six, Mommy net seventy 101 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: six if you agree to, but I don't think you 102 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,799 Speaker 1: should if you want to get back together. See so simple, 103 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: Yet it's so difficult, right. 104 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 2: It's so difficult because it's it's emotions. 105 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: And right when it's a hypothetical, you're able to be logical. 106 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: I know, Candice Phoenix, Yes, if you want separation to 107 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: lead to divorce, laughing crying face, absolutely yeah. 108 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: Kissed a girl divorce next day. 109 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: That is so sad. My next question was when a 110 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: breakup happens, must you pick a side? These were interesting 111 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: Heidi with three Eyes at the end underscore, And it 112 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: depends on how bad it is and what the relationships 113 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: were like before Rachel Underscore Huser. It depends on why 114 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: the breakup happened. If there is cheating one thousand percent 115 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: Melanie zero two to one, Oof feel like it depends 116 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: on the situation, mutual breakup, fine, cheating DV Then I 117 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: I'd choose Blair period Segel. I'd say yes ninety percent 118 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: of the time. You need to pick a side. Again, 119 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: It's so interesting when we're talking about a hypothetical and 120 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: your emotions are not involved. Intimacy was never there. You 121 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: have no you don't have memories and history. It's easy 122 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: to say what you should or shouldn't be doing. 123 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: Hindsight's twenty twenty. 124 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: I think you evaluate your relationship with each person, and 125 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: you need to know if you're choosing to not pick 126 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: a side, who is more more important to you? Well, oh, 127 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: you value more. 128 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: In my opinion, Yeah, you always ride with the one 129 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: who you knew before the relationship, right whether okay, And 130 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: that's that's just me. If I'm if I got my 131 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: homie and then they start dating and they're dating for 132 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: two years and I gat like a relationship with her. 133 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: If they break up, I'm done. I don't need you. 134 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: I was talking to you because my homie was dating you. 135 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: Totally don't care. But I've also had friends that we're 136 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: talking in the same friend group that date and then 137 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: break up. And now it's like pick sides. And they 138 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: even came to me and I was like, I will 139 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: not pick a side because I didn't get a choice 140 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: in you guys dating, did I? So you don't get 141 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 2: a choice on me picking a side. 142 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: What if you're friends with the person who cheated and 143 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: you liked the girl. 144 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: Oh, then I'm gonna sit down with my homie and 145 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: just say just to let you know, I will be 146 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: in like contact with her. She's an amazing girl and 147 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: you really fucked up. 148 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: She's also super hot, so I also may. 149 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: No, I would never do that. Never, that's no, that's 150 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 2: homie rules. 151 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, until you drink, and then you know, homie rules. 152 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: For me, not for you. 153 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: Sober it would be difficult with the whole mo Kyle P. 154 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: K Dey because they were friends, but you show that's 155 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: even no, no, no, nope, nope. I will forever stand by 156 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: the fact that Bravo has done such an incredible job 157 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: of putting women together where there's history, true friendship start, 158 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: and maybe the baseline for some of them was like, oh, 159 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: we filmed a show together, but off camera. Alex Baskin 160 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: said it perfectly. He did a podcast and he was like, 161 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: the moment cameras go down, and he was specifically talking 162 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: about Vander pump Roules, but let's remember he does oc 163 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: he does for the moment you put cameras down, you 164 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: get a pin in your stomach because you're missing story. 165 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah, I saw him say that. He goes, 166 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: it's it's hard to put the cameras down because you 167 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 2: know when you do, there's a multiple, like a multitude 168 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: of stories still happening that we're. 169 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: Missing exactly this next one. So I I jacked this 170 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: from What's what Happens Life? Don't laugh. But Andy asked, 171 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: he did an audience pull and he said, uh, who 172 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: would you rather have as your ex? Jack's Taylor or Jesse? 173 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: Oh wow, I'm gonna save my opinion. I want you 174 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: to save your opinions as who Okay, Oh I want 175 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: to know so bad to save it. Okay, Oh my god, 176 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: Oh my god, this good Heidi Underscore and oh Jesus 177 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: neither upside down smiley face, Happy life for you too. 178 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: Love that Instagram name death Jesse even though he seems 179 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: way difficult Sheila Underscore see Underscore, Hodges Jesse. There were 180 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: more people that said Jesse than Jack's shocker. 181 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: It really is a shocker. 182 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: And don't don't no, don't don't spell what you think 183 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: Melanie zero two one, OMG. I'd rather eat ship than 184 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: choose Wow. If you're willing to eat shit where you 185 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: could like potentially get e coal I and die. 186 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd rather poop and shove it back in me 187 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 2: than date anyone whatever comes with that. 188 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Blake, Marie Benson, Jesse, Amberlee, Oh Lord, Jesse 189 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: all day and then this person Justine Underscore and Jacks Easton. 190 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: Who would you like as your ex? 191 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: I mean, man, honestly, from a man's perspective, it's easy 192 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 2: for me and I don't know Jesse well enough. And 193 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: maybe I've missed out on a lot of things that 194 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 2: Jax has done, But in my opinion, Jack's because his 195 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 2: his like the things that he's fucked up on. I 196 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: don't think we're on purpose or intentional. 197 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 1: Okay, very different perspective than I do. 198 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 2: Yes, Like I think he's dealing with what he's dealing with, 199 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: he's finding that that help he needs and he will 200 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 2: be a I think Jax was an amazing person before 201 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: just seeing the hearing about him before the addiction. I 202 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: was a part of the thing. 203 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: The amount of jack rolling that's going to happen. Let's 204 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: make this very clear though, because I'm protective of you, 205 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm going off. Always been on the fringe. Easton does 206 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: knocket his hands dirty. He doesn't like being boots on 207 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: the ground. He stays out of people's business. Yet here 208 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: he is on the podcast where I forced him to 209 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: be in everyone's business. 210 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: I'll put it this way. Jackson's fuck ups don't seem 211 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 2: intentional for Jesse. 212 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I'm trying to understand where you're coming. 213 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: He may have been on drugs, he may have been 214 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: on something and dealing with the demons that he was 215 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: dealing with and doing things based off of being out 216 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: of his mind, okay, and doing things, Yes, they could 217 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: have looked intentional, and maybe they were. But for me, 218 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 2: him going and doing what he's doing, it doesn't look 219 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 2: like a lot of things are intentional. When Jesse literally 220 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 2: said my job is now to make her life. 221 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: Help, Okay, under that is why I would pat Jakes. 222 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: I don't think Jack's intentionally does things. He's out of 223 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 2: his own mind, and maybe when these things are coming 224 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: he could have been on something here and there. So 225 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 2: I'm looking from an attic standpoint in myself of I've 226 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 2: done a lot of things that weren't intentional that I'm 227 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: very like, okay, upset about. 228 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: And I know she is the soft side of this. 229 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: But and I mean, I don't know. I don't watch 230 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 2: the shows and all of that. I just watched the 231 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 2: Jesse things for when I heard him say my job 232 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: is to make her life hell, okay, that is the 233 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: one thing that said one hundred person. 234 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: By the way, you and I are choosing the same 235 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: person as our ex, I too would choose Jacks. 236 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, my reasoning is different. 237 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: I still stand by the fact that both Jack's well, 238 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: Jacks has been diagnosed as a narcissist. I believe that 239 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: Jesse is one hundred percent a narcissist. No one is 240 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: ever going to tell me to stop screaming the word 241 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: narcissist from the rooftops because I just think that it's 242 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: something that people don't see the signs for and instead 243 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: of telling me that I shouldn't talk about it or 244 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: call people that you should be saying thank you, because 245 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: once you have a child with a narcissist, your life 246 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: becomes hell. That being said, I would pick Jack's over 247 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: Jesse because Jack's and I get what you're saying, it's 248 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: not intentional. However, it's not intentional because he's so much 249 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: because he's a narcissist, which means he can't help himself, 250 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: but then to maneuver in a way that is just 251 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: so destructive and he's sabotagus. This is why I would 252 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: pick him. The way that he goes about things. He's 253 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: very manipulative, but he's and I don't want to say 254 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: he's not smart enough, but I'm going to say he's 255 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: not smart enough to be calculated. He's too transparent in 256 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: his calculations, which is great, and we're watching it on 257 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: the show. Although he is a nightmare and he's stalking 258 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: her and doing those things. He's stalking you. When you 259 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: have ring camera footage, you can call the cops and 260 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: immediately have something done. He's acting a certain way, and 261 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: you have ring footage to show that there was a 262 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: point in time that he made the household unsafe while 263 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: your son was there. He would be very very easy 264 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: to go up against in court for custody and including Okay, no, 265 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: I thought, I've thought so long and hard about this, 266 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: you guys. He also is not smart enough. I hate 267 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: saying that. It sounds so rude, but I'm just saying it. 268 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. 269 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: No, I don't think he's he's not smart enough. 270 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: Or that, or maybe his addiction has been in play. 271 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: And that's where I'm there all of these things. Again, 272 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 2: I'm not a doctor that he has to dig again 273 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: and again in that cannot cure narcissism. 274 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: That's first and foremost. Addiction or not you're an addict, 275 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with your narcissism. Okay, that is 276 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: still alive and well. In a narcissist, it takes immense 277 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: help and every day, uh, someone boots on the ground 278 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: with you, talking you through situations on how a normal 279 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: person would process something like this. Jesse, I would never 280 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: want him as my ex because he is so calculated. 281 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: He will make your life hell. He will make sure 282 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: because he he goes through his calculations right, and nothing 283 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: he does would ever. He will never be caught dead 284 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: on camera. He will never be caught dead doing something 285 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: while the child is in his care. So if she 286 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: ever went to a judge, that judge would immediately say, 287 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: squeaky clean, he's making your life miserable, but he's really 288 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: good to the daughter, stay care. Exactly, I would choose 289 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: Jack's any fucking day because he would make the job 290 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: so easy. Jesse sounds like a nightmare. 291 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 2: Of an ex just for him to just say that. 292 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 2: And I know it's TV and he's maybe reaching for 293 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: like a thing. 294 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: But and you want to know what if he walked in, 295 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: if Michelle wanted to walk in and say, look, he's 296 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: purposely trying to make my life miser you want to 297 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: know what they would say, you chose to have a 298 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: child with him? 299 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: Well, not this guy. They do not. 300 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: System works. I sit here and I want to scream 301 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: at the top of my lungs. And this is why 302 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: I will never stop talking about narcissism, because it's like, 303 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: once you have a child with them, you are so 304 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: fucking fucked. I needed a double. 305 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 2: If you guys are pregnant and needing to have a baby. 306 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: Go to Utah. 307 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 2: Women have all the rights there over the child. 308 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: Well, actually, Utah has been in a lot of hot 309 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: water for a lot of the things that they've Yeah, 310 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: no core system has it down to a tee and 311 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: no court system, no matter where you are, is practicing 312 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: what is best for the child. They believe that a 313 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:50,239 Speaker 1: father present in the child's life curiat is better than 314 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: a dysfunctional one out of the picture. 315 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 2: That is. 316 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: So it's it's tough, and that's I'm sticking to it. 317 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: I would we went into who would you rather have 318 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 1: as your ex but I'm more deep dived into who 319 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: would I rather have is go into court with exactly? 320 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: Who would I rather not have is my baby daddy. Sorry, 321 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: I hope that didn't get too dark. I want to 322 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: leave it on less of a dark note and more 323 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: of a petty note. So Garcelan followed the cast of 324 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. I asked you guys if it was petty 325 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: Lauren and Tyrrell says very petty, Meg VP underscore yeg 326 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: beyond Aaron Lindsay Ellis said kind of happy life for 327 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: you too, love garcel But yes, it is petty. Bring 328 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: me back. No, bring them back two six Nope. Peace 329 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: of Mind PLN nineteen seventy eight. Yes, she is so 330 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: calculated and knew what she was doing from the beginning 331 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: of the reunion. 332 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 2: I I'm gonna play Devil's advocate, okay, and just say. 333 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: Like. 334 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 2: You were on a show that you're no longer part of. 335 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 2: Why follow the people that are now filming and you 336 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: have to see the show that you're part of. Your 337 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 2: wanting to get away? She could follow them back in 338 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: a year or two and just take this away of 339 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 2: the year of like, now filming is going, I don't 340 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 2: even want to see what they're filming. I want to 341 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: live away, right, So that's my thing of Like, it's 342 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: not petty. She unfollowed things that she didn't want to 343 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 2: see on her timeline. 344 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: I fully agree with you bring them back to six No, 345 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: peace of Mind. I'm fully on her same page. So 346 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: many people, like when I unfollowed some of my cast 347 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: people were like it was petty. They still follow her. 348 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: They're unbothered, and it's like, but I'm muted, So to me, 349 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: that's not unbothered. That's just fake. Just unfollow me. If 350 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: you're gonna mute mellowing. 351 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 2: That's the thing, Like, I think. 352 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: It's really actually freaking real of Garcel to be like, 353 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: I don't give a shit about what you're doing. So 354 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna mute you. I'm gonna take it a 355 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: step further and kind of erase you. Let me put it, 356 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to see your content. It doesn't make 357 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: me feel good, so be gone. 358 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 2: Not only that, let me put it this way, when 359 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 2: you are for me? If I was at work, I 360 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: worked for Standard Optical. Yeah, once I quick I unfollowed them. 361 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 2: I don't need to know what Standard Optical is doing. 362 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 2: I don't need to see any of it, just like 363 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 2: she doesn't need to see what her workplace is totally. 364 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: That's the thing. People are looking at it like petty friends. 365 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 2: This that's work, that still is work. Yeah, So for 366 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 2: her to unfollow, she just doesn't want to work for 367 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: a year. Let her go to the beautiful home she 368 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 2: just purchased it and relaxed for a year. And maybe 369 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 2: we'll even see Garcel back on TV. 370 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: You don't know, Maybe she needs to know her. 371 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 2: Fucking not looked at as petty well, and she doesn't 372 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 2: want to see the shit she just left. 373 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: I totally get it, and I'm all about, like you 374 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: have to do life is so subd, but it is 375 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: sometimes I don't think it's petty at all. I think 376 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: she looked at her life said this no longer makes 377 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: me feel good seeing this. There's no reason for mute 378 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: meet a mute them because she's probably a weirdo like 379 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: me and is like, but they're taking up space in 380 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 1: my following, and I don't want to. I don't want 381 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 1: my following to look really high. I want my following 382 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: to look very high. I don't want the people on 383 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: following that number to look really high. So just get 384 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: rid of only. 385 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 2: That you don't care about. Like when I see people 386 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 2: and they're following like a thousand or more, I'm like, 387 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 2: I'm following seven hundred. I don't even know seven hundred people. 388 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something 389 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: before we sign off. I'm so done with everyone being 390 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: like I love it. She's so unbothered. No, bitch, I'm bothered, 391 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: And you know what, I'm real. I'm not gonna sit 392 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 1: here and pretend like I'm unbothered just to like make 393 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: myself look cool. No, I'm bothered. I'm unfollowing your acts. 394 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: Call it petty, call it bothered, call it what it is. 395 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: All the things, don't care, unfollowed, goodbye, living a good life. 396 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: This could be the best thing for Garcel, and not 397 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 2: only for Garcel, all of us. What if Garcel goes 398 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: and takes a year and she comes back just the 399 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: same bad bitch? But batter and how. 400 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: Did you see the photo I post it? Ever, you 401 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: guys know I've already told her. I'm not a huge fan, 402 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: but I give credit where credit is due. That's no 403 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: bad bitch. 404 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 2: Garcela is very beautiful, banging. I honestly loved her. Look 405 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 2: for the reunion too like this, and I love her. 406 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 2: I can't even touch my phone. I was dying. I 407 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 2: was laughing, but no, I I really do love her. 408 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 2: And no, get rid of all of your followings. Don't 409 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 2: follow anybody, follow your kids and people you love and 410 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: go enjoy your time off Garcal Jesus Christ. 411 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: My favorite before we sign off at the reunion, when 412 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: someone was like, what are your what are you feeling 413 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 1: with what gar Sella is saying? Or no, what are 414 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: you feeling with what Sutton is saying? She goes, I'm 415 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: not really worried about Sutton right now, I'm only thinking 416 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: about me. 417 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 2: I was like good for her because I also will 418 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 2: say that could I I would have been hurt. Yeah, 419 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: very you did you ride like that for her and 420 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 2: then like you give her praise at it like you 421 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: would assume like she would have at least given you something, 422 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 2: And then one more just to be seen. 423 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: She put her neck on the line every time for son. 424 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: What she went through with the reunion was child's play, 425 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: but she did. I could tell she was deeply hurt. 426 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 2: Forgot for Garcela to go to a gus and meet 427 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: her family. That enough right there, says But go close with. 428 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: Her mother on behalf of like Sutton, and you need 429 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: to tell her you're proud of No. 430 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: I agree. 431 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: Again, credit where credit is due you guys. I hope 432 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: you enjoyed this episode of the Bonus Podcast. Uh We're 433 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: going to catch you on Wednesday for a regular episode 434 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: and again next week. Bye.