1
00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:18,000
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It's horrible enough for your

2
00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:24,919
Speaker 1: teen child to go missing, compounded by the fear that

3
00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:32,440
Speaker 1: she has been sex trafficked. Add On to that trolls,

4
00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:42,040
Speaker 1: harassment from the public, harassing the girl's parents. This is

5
00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,520
Speaker 1: so beast awkwards. I don't even know what to make

6
00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,879
Speaker 1: of it. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank

7
00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,120
Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation and

8
00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,800
Speaker 1: series X one eleven. I'm talking about a beautiful young girl,

9
00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:00,920
Speaker 1: her family, pleading for help, her family convinced against all

10
00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,480
Speaker 1: hopes anything they had ever imagined, that their child has

11
00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,720
Speaker 1: been sex traffic takelest our cut five from our friends

12
00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,759
Speaker 1: at CBS. Without her phone on her, it's making it

13
00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,840
Speaker 1: more difficult to track her down. Neverthing is going to

14
00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,959
Speaker 1: happen to you. I try to, you know, run this

15
00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:26,880
Speaker 1: and enforce this, and reinforce this in her mind that

16
00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:32,000
Speaker 1: she she cannot trust whoever she sees. It's a message

17
00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,839
Speaker 1: for parents out there, keep an eye on your children's

18
00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,080
Speaker 1: use of social media so that they don't become the

19
00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,480
Speaker 1: next target. They prey upon, these these kids, and it's sickening.

20
00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,400
Speaker 1: The Carroll County Sheriff's Office says they are reviewing Jones's

21
00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,760
Speaker 1: social media records and followed up with the last person

22
00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,320
Speaker 1: she had contact with. They are still actively searching for

23
00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,360
Speaker 1: Jones and hasn't ruled out possibilities on what may have

24
00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,440
Speaker 1: happened leading up to her disappearance. As you us heard,

25
00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,480
Speaker 1: the family is so desperate for your help. If you

26
00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,960
Speaker 1: know anything, contact the Carroll County Sheriff's Office as soon

27
00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,280
Speaker 1: as possible. Not only is this teen girl missing, we

28
00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:15,240
Speaker 1: think lured out of her home. She is autistic. She

29
00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,520
Speaker 1: probably has no idea what is how this has happened

30
00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,919
Speaker 1: to her. Take a listen to our cut for our

31
00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,680
Speaker 1: friends at Channel forty six CBS. My daughter is Kaylee Jones.

32
00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,200
Speaker 1: She's sixteen years old, Kayley Jones. So I was here

33
00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,080
Speaker 1: at work and my wife called me about seven fifteen

34
00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,720
Speaker 1: and she said Kayley was gone. Her parents haven't seen

35
00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,200
Speaker 1: her for about a week. And it's hard for Daniel

36
00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,000
Speaker 1: and Brenda Jones to go to sleep at night wondering

37
00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,840
Speaker 1: where their daughter might be and is just gut wrenching

38
00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,519
Speaker 1: knowing she's out there somewhere and we don't know where

39
00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,720
Speaker 1: she's at all. The worst thoughts come to our minds.

40
00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,679
Speaker 1: She's our daughter, and we desperately want her back. She

41
00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,519
Speaker 1: has a big, huge part of us. Kayley is autistic.

42
00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,120
Speaker 1: Because of that, her parents they are afraid their daughter

43
00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,839
Speaker 1: was more vulnerable to any online predators. My wife found

44
00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,919
Speaker 1: that she was talking to us like four or five

45
00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,280
Speaker 1: different guys via Snapchat. They took her phone away on

46
00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,960
Speaker 1: Monday and by Wednesday morning, Jones was gone. This team

47
00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:19,440
Speaker 1: girl also autistic, missing and now the parents are enduring

48
00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:28,359
Speaker 1: even more more upheaval, more drama, more trauma. Take a

49
00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,560
Speaker 1: list of our friends at crime online dot com. Kaylee

50
00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,760
Speaker 1: Jones has been missing more than a month, and while

51
00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,240
Speaker 1: tips have been coming into the police, that's not all.

52
00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,320
Speaker 1: Brenda and Daniel Jones say they are facing online harassment.

53
00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,160
Speaker 1: They say internet salutes, initially trying to pin down details

54
00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,920
Speaker 1: to help find the girl, are now directing anger and

55
00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,160
Speaker 1: accusations at the parents over how they're handling the investigation.

56
00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,119
Speaker 1: Some are even threatening to come on the Jones property

57
00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,560
Speaker 1: to search without permission. Joining me right now an all

58
00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,160
Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of what is happening to

59
00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,400
Speaker 1: Kelly's family right now, But I want to go to

60
00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,160
Speaker 1: special Jess joining me. This is Kelly's father, Daniel Jones

61
00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,200
Speaker 1: speaking to us and you can find him on Facebook.

62
00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:16,120
Speaker 1: Where is Kelley Jones? Daniel It's kind of hard for

63
00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:20,560
Speaker 1: me to take in you're do you're the one that

64
00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:26,920
Speaker 1: contacted us. We found you by your desperate please on Twitter,

65
00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,000
Speaker 1: on Facebook, on Insta. That's how we found you. Isn't

66
00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,520
Speaker 1: that how we found them? Jackie? Yes, you're doing everything

67
00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,320
Speaker 1: possible to find your daughter. Tell me what these so

68
00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,760
Speaker 1: called trolls are doing. I mean it begins off with

69
00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,200
Speaker 1: just they try to come out and say like they're

70
00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna, you know, try to give offer and up help,

71
00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,400
Speaker 1: and but they started wanting information and this and that

72
00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,520
Speaker 1: and answers to this and ask them kind of questions

73
00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,479
Speaker 1: that you know, number one, we don't know you, guys,

74
00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,520
Speaker 1: we don't know who you are. We've never met you before,

75
00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,640
Speaker 1: and you're trying to get these messages get his information.

76
00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,559
Speaker 1: So it's like, wait a minute, you know the parent

77
00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,360
Speaker 1: number one, and then doing the situation. Look, I don't

78
00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,479
Speaker 1: need my daughter's information out there other than what the

79
00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, Sheriff's office already did. What kind of information

80
00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,440
Speaker 1: are they asking for? Daniel? Well, one of the one

81
00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,880
Speaker 1: of the people that contact me, one of their data birth,

82
00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,160
Speaker 1: which might not be that that bad, but why do

83
00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,080
Speaker 1: you need your dat of birth? You know? Um, like

84
00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,880
Speaker 1: I said, we have no idea who these people are.

85
00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,719
Speaker 1: And then they're wanting to know, um specifics. And then

86
00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:32,920
Speaker 1: one lady was trying to get trying to help, but

87
00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,320
Speaker 1: she's forcibly. And then and you know they want to

88
00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,920
Speaker 1: put up you know, bill boards and do this and

89
00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,680
Speaker 1: do that, which, like I said, it sounds kind of ignorant,

90
00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,720
Speaker 1: you know, saying it's it's aggressive, but it's not the

91
00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,320
Speaker 1: actual what they were trying to help with is the

92
00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,760
Speaker 1: one percent of the way they went about it. And

93
00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,919
Speaker 1: then the one group, Um they're called the nerd bird Mafia.

94
00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:58,920
Speaker 1: Who is the nerd bird Mafia? What is that? Daniel Jones?

95
00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,679
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know, other than their group of sleuth

96
00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:09,280
Speaker 1: I guess. And they they they're online, you know, investigators.

97
00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,320
Speaker 1: I guess they're calling themselves and they do this and

98
00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,080
Speaker 1: they do that, and they try to help People's what

99
00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,080
Speaker 1: they're trying to say. But the more we've got into

100
00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,400
Speaker 1: this when we write at the time and before the

101
00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,719
Speaker 1: time they first started contacting us, we were warned, you know,

102
00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,080
Speaker 1: be careful of these certain people. You know, they're going

103
00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:26,880
Speaker 1: to pose as help, but they're not going to help.

104
00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,599
Speaker 1: And then there's been I don't know how many people

105
00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:34,080
Speaker 1: directly after the fact that got in contact with my wife,

106
00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,479
Speaker 1: with Brenda the mom and told her that these people

107
00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,560
Speaker 1: did the same thing to her. But we weren't giving

108
00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,520
Speaker 1: them information. We were. We just stopped talking to them,

109
00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,400
Speaker 1: So then they got more aggressive with us. But these

110
00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,839
Speaker 1: people actually were giving them information and they were supposedly

111
00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,680
Speaker 1: helping them, and they just random to the Ringers the

112
00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,000
Speaker 1: same way. Okay, what if anything are they threatening? Well,

113
00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean they they just the main thing is now

114
00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,200
Speaker 1: that they make accusations and trying to turn it, you know,

115
00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,560
Speaker 1: turn everything that you know that maybe I've done something

116
00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,480
Speaker 1: with her. They made accusations that I believed her, you

117
00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,360
Speaker 1: know some some of her social media offer computer before

118
00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,680
Speaker 1: the police came and to the computer. Then now they

119
00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,720
Speaker 1: want to come search the property, whether I like it

120
00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,800
Speaker 1: or not. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, that's a lot.

121
00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,120
Speaker 1: That's a lot right there. I want to go through

122
00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,680
Speaker 1: each thing that you're saying. But Cheryl McCollum is joining me,

123
00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,120
Speaker 1: Founder and director of the Cold Case Research Institute, forensic

124
00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,640
Speaker 1: expert Cheryl thank you for being with us. What do

125
00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,640
Speaker 1: you make of what Daniel Jones is telling us right now, Cheryl,

126
00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,280
Speaker 1: that's not helping anything, not at all. And you want

127
00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,560
Speaker 1: to maintain the integrity of an investigation, Nancy, and you

128
00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,720
Speaker 1: certainly do not want to ever compromise or interfere with

129
00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,880
Speaker 1: an investigation. Number one. You can be charged with a

130
00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,280
Speaker 1: crime if you do that. And you've got the Secret

131
00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,640
Speaker 1: Service and the US Marshal and the FBI and the

132
00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,600
Speaker 1: GBI and Carroll County FO. There's a lot of people

133
00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,680
Speaker 1: out there trying to find her and you know, bring

134
00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,119
Speaker 1: her home safely. And I don't know why this group

135
00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:13,119
Speaker 1: number one doesn't direct their efforts to these folks, say hey,

136
00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,440
Speaker 1: Carol County, we can help volunteer for a search if

137
00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,680
Speaker 1: Carol County puts one together. But you don't just Maverick

138
00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,880
Speaker 1: and boondog and go on your own and do it.

139
00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,000
Speaker 1: Tell Carson is joining me, high profile lawyer and former

140
00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,360
Speaker 1: FED with the FBI. He's joining us out of Jacksonville,

141
00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,320
Speaker 1: Del Carson. I mean, it's not just offering to help.

142
00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,360
Speaker 1: According to Daniel Jones, this is Kelly's dad. They are

143
00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:43,160
Speaker 1: people are going online and they are trolling and trashing

144
00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,280
Speaker 1: Kelly's parents, accusing them of wrongdoing, threatening to tramp onto

145
00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:53,240
Speaker 1: their property and search. This is some bearded guy in

146
00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,760
Speaker 1: a basement somewhere who's a want of thee. And as

147
00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,840
Speaker 1: Cheryl will tell you, there are plenty of one of

148
00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,400
Speaker 1: these out there. They want to get involved, they want

149
00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,240
Speaker 1: to have a presence, and social media has largely allowed

150
00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,360
Speaker 1: that and it's caused more problems really than it's solved. Well,

151
00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:14,160
Speaker 1: the thing is, I encourage volunteers to help. Doctor Sherry

152
00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,959
Speaker 1: Schwartz joining US forensics psychologist you can find her at

153
00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,640
Speaker 1: panthermitigation dot com and author of criminal Behavior. When does

154
00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:27,000
Speaker 1: it cross the line from helping to intimidating and trolling?

155
00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,920
Speaker 1: And what do you make these people that go online

156
00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,800
Speaker 1: and they're kind of anonymous, you don't really know who

157
00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,920
Speaker 1: they are basically threatening Kelly's parents. I mean, haven't they

158
00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,800
Speaker 1: already lived through enough? Exactly? And this is the first

159
00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,160
Speaker 1: clue because a group that is well meaning and really

160
00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,040
Speaker 1: wants to get out there and help raise awareness isn't

161
00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,120
Speaker 1: going to obscure their identity. They certainly aren't going to

162
00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:57,360
Speaker 1: lend themselves to creating chaos. And really, this is statistic behavior.

163
00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,040
Speaker 1: It appears to be from every thing I've seen online

164
00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,720
Speaker 1: from this group that they don't just troll Keiley's family,

165
00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,280
Speaker 1: they do this with other missing individuals as well, and

166
00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,800
Speaker 1: that it really is all about creating chaos and harming

167
00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:34,240
Speaker 1: the people, the families, tearing these families apart. Time stories

168
00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:43,000
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Here, you've got Brenda and Daniel begging, crying, publicizing,

169
00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,319
Speaker 1: and going on the internet begging for help. That's how

170
00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,680
Speaker 1: I found them, Cheryl. They're begging for he longline that

171
00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,120
Speaker 1: does not sound like a parent that has involved in

172
00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,160
Speaker 1: the disappearance of their child. They usually shrink away from

173
00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,200
Speaker 1: the spotlight and don't answer questions. That's right, and they've

174
00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,840
Speaker 1: been open and honest about telling the good and the

175
00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,920
Speaker 1: bad about what was happening. But there's two other things

176
00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,640
Speaker 1: I want to point out when this group post online

177
00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,840
Speaker 1: things like here's the number for the you know, PIO

178
00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,480
Speaker 1: at the Sheriff's Department, y'all know what to do, nerds.

179
00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,160
Speaker 1: Or they say they're coming on to private property to

180
00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:23,520
Speaker 1: search let's just say Devil's Advocate. They find a body

181
00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,400
Speaker 1: during an illegal search, they don't forensically know how to

182
00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,720
Speaker 1: handle it, and it's already done. You've already screwed this

183
00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,240
Speaker 1: whole case up by doing what you did illegally. So

184
00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,239
Speaker 1: again they need to stand down and let the professionals

185
00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,880
Speaker 1: do their job. Well wait a minute, Wait a minute, Cheryl,

186
00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,920
Speaker 1: how many times have you I said publicly what is

187
00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,560
Speaker 1: wrong with the police? And that's when we want we

188
00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,960
Speaker 1: welcome volunteers. I mean, think about Gabbie Petito. If that

189
00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,439
Speaker 1: citizen it was, wasn't it red Blue and the Thane

190
00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:59,920
Speaker 1: something but thing something that saw her Zan alerted authority

191
00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,280
Speaker 1: and within hours they found Gabby's remains. If it had

192
00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,880
Speaker 1: not been for citizen involvement, we would never know have

193
00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,840
Speaker 1: known what happened. We wouldn't even know Gabby if Gabby

194
00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,560
Speaker 1: was dead or alive, Nancy. As you well know, the

195
00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,559
Speaker 1: Colcase Institute, we are based on volunteers. I am all

196
00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,240
Speaker 1: about volunteers, but one you gotta be legitimate. You gotta

197
00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,360
Speaker 1: be doing things legally, and you don't go somewhere where

198
00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,040
Speaker 1: you're not wanted, and you don't harass somebody and say hey,

199
00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,120
Speaker 1: we're coming anyway. I don't know about not going where

200
00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,480
Speaker 1: you're not wanting, because I don't think I've ever busted

201
00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,680
Speaker 1: up in a crime scene where I was wanted. Okay,

202
00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:41,000
Speaker 1: that has never stop made. But but Cheryl McCollum accusing

203
00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,280
Speaker 1: and harassing the parents. But if a victim's family is

204
00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,240
Speaker 1: saying please don't do this. But Daniel James, what are

205
00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,920
Speaker 1: they accusing you? And runned up off? I mean, she's

206
00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,960
Speaker 1: the one that wakes up first thing in the morning

207
00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,680
Speaker 1: and cause you and says she's gone. You leave work.

208
00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,480
Speaker 1: You don't even then you'll call your boss, I gotta go.

209
00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,040
Speaker 1: You go home immediately, you'll call police. You do everything,

210
00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:11,520
Speaker 1: it's text book, Yes, everything you did. So what are

211
00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,720
Speaker 1: they accusing you of? Specifically? There's a lot And honestly,

212
00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,040
Speaker 1: my mind is flooded and I'm just in the middle

213
00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,320
Speaker 1: of this and distraught number one. So it's like I

214
00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,280
Speaker 1: don't have a total focus of everything, and I can't

215
00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,640
Speaker 1: remember every little thing. I'll take anything. Mainly, like I said,

216
00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,000
Speaker 1: it's where they're coming to ask for help or you know,

217
00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,800
Speaker 1: offer and help. But then we kind of don't, you know,

218
00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,920
Speaker 1: give him the help. Then they say, well, well, Danny

219
00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,440
Speaker 1: asked for a search, you know, and we want to

220
00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,400
Speaker 1: come search, but he doesn't want to search. We'll wait

221
00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,200
Speaker 1: a second. That was something that I said I wish

222
00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,240
Speaker 1: the police had done the first day. They didn't. We

223
00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,079
Speaker 1: have sent had the property searched. They didn't find anything.

224
00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,760
Speaker 1: They didn't find any any recent trails, sent trails of

225
00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,080
Speaker 1: my daughter on the property. So we're good with there.

226
00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,479
Speaker 1: So are they accusing you and your wife have any wrongdoing?

227
00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,120
Speaker 1: Where in there? I deleted the computer or my daughters.

228
00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:08,559
Speaker 1: I deleted evidence or something, And I'm like, I'm like, okay,

229
00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,640
Speaker 1: but I don't even know why I would have deleted

230
00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,959
Speaker 1: whatever I deleted. Maybe, So are you saying you did

231
00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,000
Speaker 1: not delete anything? No, I didn't let anything on the computer.

232
00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,240
Speaker 1: I was doing everything I could to try to find it.

233
00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed to even ask you that, but I had to.

234
00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,840
Speaker 1: Nicole Parton joining me Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter.

235
00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,920
Speaker 1: How has this whole thing gotten so out of hand?

236
00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:33,640
Speaker 1: Instead of trying to find Kiley, they're going after the parents, right, Nancy.

237
00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,880
Speaker 1: And we're seeing this more and more due to social media.

238
00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,240
Speaker 1: We have these wannabes, as was said earlier, who want

239
00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,680
Speaker 1: to get to the bottom, and maybe some of them

240
00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,000
Speaker 1: are very innocent and wanting to help, but then they

241
00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,120
Speaker 1: crossed the line of starting these accusations and taking the

242
00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,440
Speaker 1: focus off of what really matters, and that's finding Cayley,

243
00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,440
Speaker 1: and began focusing on and putting all the efforts and

244
00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,360
Speaker 1: energies into the parents and all of this crazy things

245
00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,840
Speaker 1: I read online like, oh, the parents must be guilty

246
00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,440
Speaker 1: of something. They don't have a lot of signs in

247
00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,640
Speaker 1: their yard. Oh the parents must be guilty of something.

248
00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,760
Speaker 1: I saw them smile to you, Daniel Jones joining me.

249
00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,600
Speaker 1: This is Kelly's father here again, begging for help, trying

250
00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,560
Speaker 1: to find his daughter. And you know, Daniel, I've told

251
00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,520
Speaker 1: you that three minute episode when John David snuck away

252
00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,239
Speaker 1: from me when he was a little boy at Baby Superstore.

253
00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,960
Speaker 1: I mean, those three minutes were just three the worst

254
00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,800
Speaker 1: minutes of my life. I mean I was screaming, lock

255
00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,560
Speaker 1: the doors. I had Lucy under my arm like a football,

256
00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:43,840
Speaker 1: running through the store, and I just can't only imagine

257
00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,560
Speaker 1: what has been going through your mind, hoping your daughter

258
00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,120
Speaker 1: is still a life for Pete's sake, and then to

259
00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:55,040
Speaker 1: have somebody attack you because they saw your wife smile somewhere.

260
00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,640
Speaker 1: I just, I mean, how does that make you feel?

261
00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,640
Speaker 1: Because I feel like dirt and thinking about it, well,

262
00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,320
Speaker 1: I mean Sherry just said that right right there. I mean,

263
00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,600
Speaker 1: that's part of the accusations and stuff that they're making

264
00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,520
Speaker 1: is that we laughed during one of the interviews. Um,

265
00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, laughing on an interview. Well, she just said it.

266
00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,320
Speaker 1: I was kind of nervous. I didn't. We didn't. You

267
00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,080
Speaker 1: don't really know how to act. And it's like something

268
00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,200
Speaker 1: was said and it kind of resonates truth. So you

269
00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,480
Speaker 1: do that. But you know they're they're putting out like

270
00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,040
Speaker 1: it's not a big deal, and it is. We didn't

271
00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,960
Speaker 1: go out passing out flyers and no sign on the

272
00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,960
Speaker 1: front yard, but we did pass out flyers and we

273
00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,680
Speaker 1: had multiple people pass out flyers the very first Saturday

274
00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,680
Speaker 1: after she disappeared. Daniel, you've been working like a dog

275
00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,880
Speaker 1: to try to find your daughter. You are do not

276
00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,440
Speaker 1: have to defend yourself to me. And believe me, I've

277
00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,560
Speaker 1: gone after plenty of parents that I thought were involved

278
00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,600
Speaker 1: in the disappearance and death of their children, and I

279
00:16:55,640 --> 00:17:00,520
Speaker 1: have paid dearly for it. But from what I can tell,

280
00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,800
Speaker 1: there is no need for you to have to defend

281
00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,960
Speaker 1: yourself to me. Back to you, Nicole parton joining me

282
00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:13,920
Speaker 1: crime online dot com So there are internet trolls flooding online,

283
00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,679
Speaker 1: accusing and harassing Kelly's parents while they're still trying to

284
00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,879
Speaker 1: find their daughter. By the way, the reward is up

285
00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,640
Speaker 1: to five thousand dollars the Sheriff's office number seven seven

286
00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,639
Speaker 1: zero eight three zero five nine four two repeat seven

287
00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,719
Speaker 1: seven zero eight three zero five nine four two. Nicole

288
00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,679
Speaker 1: explain to me, I cut you off, and when you

289
00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,600
Speaker 1: were talking about someone attacking the family because they saw

290
00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,479
Speaker 1: them smile, because it triggered a really bad memory. What

291
00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,919
Speaker 1: else is happening? I understand their internet trolls. There are

292
00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:54,000
Speaker 1: people threatening to stampede their property. What else is going on? Right? Absolutely,

293
00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,960
Speaker 1: there are even people who found this family online and

294
00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,520
Speaker 1: they're going to the parents a place of pointment. What

295
00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,080
Speaker 1: did you say about a drone? It's been reported this

296
00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,600
Speaker 1: that some of these online trolls had even flown drones

297
00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,560
Speaker 1: over the family property, flying drones over the house, Daniel Jones,

298
00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,879
Speaker 1: Is this true? Yes, ma'am. The guy pat drove whoever

299
00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,560
Speaker 1: it was, drove by our house and made a nice

300
00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,000
Speaker 1: video of it, and then had aerial shots from his

301
00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,440
Speaker 1: drone that he flew directly over our house and everything.

302
00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,000
Speaker 1: He went to the horse farm where I worked and

303
00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,399
Speaker 1: taking you know, flew his drone around there and was

304
00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,600
Speaker 1: videoed himself whistling at horses on the property and everything.

305
00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:39,399
Speaker 1: But it's like these guys don't even care. This same group,

306
00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:47,440
Speaker 1: this same group actually made their own tip line right

307
00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,639
Speaker 1: before the Sheriff's office put their tip line up or whatever.

308
00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,680
Speaker 1: And it's like, why would you do something like that,

309
00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,520
Speaker 1: because they want to get the tips and they want

310
00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,800
Speaker 1: to have control over it. But and that's the same

311
00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,200
Speaker 1: thing with the search. They said earlier, I don't want

312
00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,040
Speaker 1: you got here planning planting evidence, you know for whatever

313
00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:04,760
Speaker 1: read And how do I know you're not against me?

314
00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,800
Speaker 1: So sending a drone over your property, going to your

315
00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,720
Speaker 1: place of war? What did they do when they got there, Well,

316
00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,680
Speaker 1: they pulled up on the on the side of the road,

317
00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,320
Speaker 1: which actually it's all private property down in there, and

318
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,200
Speaker 1: they just took a short little video and put a

319
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,280
Speaker 1: posted on Twitter that you know, whistling at the horses.

320
00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:28,040
Speaker 1: Look not pertinent to the case, but just had to share.

321
00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,560
Speaker 1: And he's whistling at the horses that they were responding

322
00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,160
Speaker 1: to him, And he flew a drone around the one

323
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,600
Speaker 1: house that's right there, and you know, over those horses

324
00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,359
Speaker 1: and several other horses and kind of like aggravating the horses.

325
00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,159
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a lot and the last thing you

326
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 1: need right now is to lose your job. Daniel, do

327
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,760
Speaker 1: you believe Kelley is still alive? In my heart of hearts, yes,

328
00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,119
Speaker 1: I've prayed more than once. My wife and I've prayed,

329
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,000
Speaker 1: and I've prayed with people, and there's people praying like crazy.

330
00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,160
Speaker 1: The Lord is going to protect her no matter what.

331
00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,320
Speaker 1: But I still have a feeling that she is alive,

332
00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 1: that there's that hasn't that hasn't kind of hit me

333
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:09,160
Speaker 1: as as as nothing yet. I just think that she's

334
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,880
Speaker 1: out there somewhere, whether she's been trafficked or moved on.

335
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,639
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe somebody thought they were helping her. My daughter's

336
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 1: out there somewhere alive and somebody's either helping her um

337
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,160
Speaker 1: and you know, keeping her a library, which which which

338
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 1: I thank you. But you guys, you need to let

339
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,919
Speaker 1: her go. We need to get her home. If you

340
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,400
Speaker 1: have any information, please call seven seven zero eight three

341
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:48,880
Speaker 1: zero five nine Time Stories with Nancy Grace and now

342
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,680
Speaker 1: we take you all the way from Georgia to Alabama

343
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 1: and the disappearance of a gorgeous teen girl. What happened

344
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 1: to Tarashia? Take a listen. The National Center for Missing

345
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,439
Speaker 1: and Exploited Children is asking for the public's help and

346
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 1: the continuing effort to find the missing team. On June

347
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 1: twenty sixth to Russia, Benjamin left home headed to the

348
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,160
Speaker 1: Selma Flea Market to do a little shopping, just like

349
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 1: she did most Saturday mornings, but this time she never

350
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 1: came home every days to wake up and miss a

351
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: loved one. And I know where they're what they're going through.

352
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 1: What happened. We need to know what happened to the one? Soho,

353
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,160
Speaker 1: we need to know. You are hearing our friends at

354
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 1: CBS eight and the anguished family of this Well, she's

355
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 1: a little girl. She's just seventeen years old when she

356
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 1: went missing. That's just three years older than my twins, John,

357
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 1: David and Lucy. And I just cannot even imagine going

358
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: to pick them up, say at school, and they're not

359
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 1: being there, or them going outside to play and I

360
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: never see them again. That is what this family is suffering.

361
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: I hate to even put myself in their shoes. But

362
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 1: in order to find this girl, that's what we're doing. Now.

363
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Regina Benjamin speaking on dre Birch

364
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: YouTube My House with Friends earlier. But the girl that

365
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: she loved with Alicia, Yeah man, she and she came

366
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: back to look to Ross said to take an overviea

367
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: what she gave rust to be able to go to the

368
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 1: the seat market and she ain't got out to do

369
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: a friends there, so she said she didn't know you

370
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: need Rashia had up two friends in Mouth that didn't

371
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 1: really know what she was. Joining me an all star

372
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know. But first

373
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: I want to go to our friend at crime online

374
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: dot Com, Dave Mac. You know, I'm looking at Terasha

375
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 1: Benjamin and a lot of the pictures that are posted

376
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: of her include her going to some event and she's

377
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: all dressed up in this beautiful royal blue halter long

378
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 1: dress and she's got the big drop earrings and she's

379
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: actually got her hair piled up and she's wearing a tiara.

380
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: And every time I think about Tarasha, I see that

381
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: picture in my mind. There's another picture that I like

382
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: a lot, and it's of her looking full on and

383
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: she's got some little hoop earrings on, little silver earrings

384
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: and she's looking sideways at the camera with this million

385
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 1: dollar smile, and then it hits me, this girl is gone.

386
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: Tell me about the day that she goes missing, Dave

387
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: mac Nancy was a typical Saturday morning for Tarasha. She

388
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: liked to go to the flea market. It was a

389
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: regular part of her life was Saturday morning running down

390
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: to the sum of Flee mark and doing a little shopping.

391
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, she had already been earlier

392
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: in the morning and she had come back home and

393
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: was talking to her mother, and her friend Telicia, came

394
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: over and they decided they were going to go on

395
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: back down to the flea market, and that's what they did.

396
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: So on the way to the flea market, they actually

397
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: stopped at a yard tale that a friend was having

398
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: and had some discussions with some folks, but then headed

399
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: on down there. That's where they parted company. Talicia stayed there.

400
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: Well wait, wait, wait, wait a minute, wait a minute.

401
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: So let me understand this. Tarasha and friend go to

402
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: the flea market, right, correct, But then the friend and

403
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: Tarasha separate at the flea market, right you know who

404
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: that's reminding me. It's reminding me of Natalie Holloway and

405
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, because you know Natalie, also there

406
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 1: in Alabama in the Mountain Brook area, goes on her

407
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: senior trip and they're in Aruba and she goes to

408
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: a casino and then onto a bar called I think

409
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: Carols and Alleys, and I mean, I've been there, now,

410
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: how can I get that out of my mind? And

411
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: then she gets separated from her friends and she drives

412
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: away with people she doesn't know, and she's never seen

413
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: alive again. And for those of you that don't know

414
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: what a flea market is, okay, Joe Scott Morgan is

415
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: joining me from Alabama. Just got Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville

416
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, and host

417
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: of a hit series on iHeart Body Bags with Joe

418
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Jo Scott, A flea market is more than

419
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: you're going to buy something, think of a It's like

420
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: a street market kind of a lot of people would

421
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: be familiar with that. I know in New York, where

422
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: I lived for so long, there were street markets practically

423
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: every weekend that close off huge swaths of an avenue

424
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: and it would be a mingling. People would go to

425
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: eat that be sampling all sorts of food and then

426
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: be buying stuff. And at this flea market in Selma,

427
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: that's what it was. The whole communities in and out.

428
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: You know, people there, people are eating their vendors with

429
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: foods and drinks, and people are selling their stuff they

430
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: want to get rid of. And you know, there's new

431
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: vendors there with new things they've just made. It's it's

432
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: more like a happening. Yeah it is, and people people

433
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: show up from all over. It's not just the local

434
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: folks there. Selma in that area of the state is

435
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: a major location for people to go to. You know,

436
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: there's it's surrounded by a huge rural swath of countryside

437
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: that's called the black Belt, which is just this rich,

438
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: fertile soil in there. A lot of farmers, that sort

439
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: of thing. And this is the interesting thing. I think,

440
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, this particular flea market not only

441
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: has the stalls that you can rent where you sell

442
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: your goods and that sort of thing, but I think,

443
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, there is actually an RV park

444
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: that's associated with this particular flea market. I don't like it.

445
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: I don't like it. And you're bringing to mine another

446
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: case that I investigated and covered, the case of Danielle

447
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: van Dam. She was a little girl out of California

448
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: who went missing in the debt of night from her

449
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: own home. Much like Elizabeth Smart, she had been spirited

450
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: away by a neighbor and David Westerfield and had been

451
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: in his RV being abused and molested. Guy knows how

452
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: long before she was ultimately murdered. When you bring in

453
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: a flea market where there are local people, I was

454
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: just out a flea market with my family and there

455
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: was a guy there, Joe Scott, that had on all

456
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: sorts of homemade honeys. He was what do you call

457
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: a beekeeper. I'm sure there's a specific name, but he

458
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: was a beekeeper and made his own honey, and we

459
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: were tasting it and having a good time and walking around.

460
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: But when you throw in vendors from far away, not

461
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: just in Selma, and then you throw in an RV

462
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: part which is exigent you can leave in an RV

463
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: with somebody in the RV, that really opens up your

464
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: pool of suspects. Yeah, it does, and you're kind of

465
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: in a bubble at that point in time. If you

466
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: can spirit somebody. First off, if you can convince them,

467
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: and this is a young girl, if you can convince

468
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: them to come to the RV and get them in there,

469
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: and Lord only knows what's going to happen when they

470
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: get you in there, and then they can just drive

471
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: off and no one's the wiser at that point in time.

472
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: Then you got and there's not an interstate, but there's

473
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: a major state highway that runs right through the middle

474
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: of Seldom east west, and you can hop on any

475
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: number of interstates from that point. You know, sixty five,

476
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: you're headed down toward Mobile at that point, and on

477
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: it ten any number of ways that you can go north.

478
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: And so that's what's troubling about this for me person.

479
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it at all.

480
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: We've talked about this before, Joe Scott Morgan, you know

481
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: everything you say is bad, Joe Scott, when you pipe

482
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: back up when you have something good to tell me.

483
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: Because I often use this example regarding rural areas that

484
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: you would think would be safe and a low crime rate,

485
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: I very often bring up the case of Shaston and

486
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: Dylan Granny, the little boy and girl that were kidnapped

487
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: and molested horribly. Dylan was murdered in Queer delayne Idaho,

488
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: and I will never forget the first time I flew

489
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: over it to look down and there was nothing but

490
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: green Dnse DNSE wooded area. And because of the interstate,

491
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: like the one you just mentioned, Joe Scott ten a

492
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: trucker was driving by and at a distance saw Shasta

493
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: Grownee at an above ground pool. He whipped off the interstate,

494
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: laid in wait, and he murdered her whole family in

495
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: order to get her and her little brother, Dylan Grownie.

496
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: That's right. So the fact that you're in a rural

497
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: area does not make you safe by any means, as

498
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: we're learning in the case that we're talking about right now.

499
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: Terasha Benjamin just seventeen years old, as Dave Matt from

500
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: Crime Online just told us, she goes to the flea market.

501
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: Didn't you say it was it a Saturday or Sunday morning, Dave?

502
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: It was a Saturday morning, Nancy. And I know that

503
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: when I was researching this, I saw a couple of

504
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: different missing person's websites that had as a Sunday morning.

505
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: It was Saturday morning, and this was a normal thing.

506
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: Jim twenty six two ten, a little five barted this.

507
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: Nancy Tarasha's father, Clyde Chandler, went missing ten months before

508
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: this happened in the same area he was found. His

509
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: body was found a couple of days later in September

510
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: of two thousand and nine, behind a steak pit in Selma.

511
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: But ten months after that, Tarashia goes missing, and again

512
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: we know that she was on her way to the

513
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: flea market with her friend Telicia Gavan. They stopped at

514
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: a yard sale that a friend was having. A relative

515
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: was there who used Tarasha's phone. Okay, but at some

516
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: point in time Telicia and Tarasha split up. They were

517
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 1: using to Lesha's car. It was a gray Mossive Tribute

518
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: truck and Tealicia let Tarasha drive the truck to the

519
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: flea market. Felicia did not go with her. Was the

520
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: truck ever recovered? It was actually that was the whole

521
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: kick on this entire case. The car was actually found

522
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: the bypass. It's actually called the Cecil Jackson Bypass in Selma.

523
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: It was about a mile away from the flea market,

524
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: but pointed going away from the flea market, pointed in

525
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: the opposite direction. Dave Matt, you are absolutely correct. Take

526
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at CBS eight. Cart Russia

527
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: was driving the day she went missing, was found abandoned

528
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: on the Selma Bypass, but to Russia was nowhere to

529
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: be found. Her disappearance has taken a serious toll on

530
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: her entire family, especially her mother. Her mother had literally

531
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: worried herself. She's in the hospital and it's just because

532
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: she's doesn't know where her child is. And more in

533
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: our cut three from our friends at crime Online, witnesses

534
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: come forward to say to Russia Benjamin had been seen

535
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: at the Selma Flea Market when the suv was found

536
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: abandoned on Cecil Jackson Bypass, just a mile from the

537
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: flea market. It was parked heading in the opposite director.

538
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: The driver's side windows were missing and the door handle

539
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: on the driver's side was broken. Several strands of long

540
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: black hair were found caught in one of the door handles.

541
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: Jessica Morgan, Professor Forensics, there was a struggle wherever Tarasha went.

542
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: She did not go willingly, no, apparently not. And when

543
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: you begin to think about this, these torn items, just

544
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: the hair alone, I think is significant because that gives

545
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: you an idea that it was actually plucked from the

546
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: head perhaps, And the question is would it be able

547
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: to be tied back specifically to her at that moment? Tom,

548
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: But to a bigger point, did anybody witness this happen?

549
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: From what you were saying, Nancy, this sounds like an incredibly,

550
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: incredibly violent act. You're talking about door handles being busted off, glass,

551
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: broken hair. Did anybody see or hear anything? Because I

552
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: can only imagine a child sage would have been screaming

553
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: out because, like you said, this is evidence of a

554
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: violent struggle. To John W. Deal, high profile lawyer joining

555
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: us out on Winter Park, Florida, the author of the

556
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: method Proven Techniques for Winning Jury Trials. You can find

557
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: him at Johnwdeal dot com. John. So often, as a

558
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: case goes on, memories fade. I've had cases that I

559
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: took to trial where witnesses had actually died and I

560
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: didn't have that witness anymore. But as the months passed

561
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: following Tarash's disappearance, we're going to have less and less

562
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: likelihood of a witness ever coming forward. Yeah, that's true.

563
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate. This reminds me of my client Von Stewart

564
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: and your daughter, Michelle Parker right. Also, it's been several

565
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: years now, the mom is still trying to keep the

566
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: case in everybody's forefront or everybody's mine. But your point's

567
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: exactly true. I mean the critical time periods in the

568
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: days weeks after an incident, but memories fade, people disappear

569
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: or die, people don't want to get involved. It's very

570
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: challenging the longer it goes on without a witness that

571
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: comes from Karen Start the trial reality that John Dial

572
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: is talking about. It is so true. Karen Stark is

573
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: joining New York psychologists joining us from Manhattan at karen

574
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: Start dot com. That's Karen with a see Karen. At

575
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: this point, with Tarasha missing so long, people that may

576
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: have seen something at the time would probably not piece

577
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: it together with the story they see all they need

578
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: is now. Well, I think, Nancy, when you think about,

579
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: you know, people's testimony to what they've seen. The longer

580
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: the time passes, the more you're gonna have misinformation. It's

581
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: just taking such a long time. And I'm also thinking

582
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: about the family and how they're coping with this, because

583
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: it's awful. It's just I can't think of anything worse, right,

584
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: that your child is missing. You know, I want to

585
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: go straight back out to Dave Matt joining us crime

586
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,959
Speaker 1: online dot com investigative reporter Dave take a listen to

587
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: our cut for our friends at crime Online. After Tarasha

588
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: Benjamin was reported missing, nive teams searched local bodies of

589
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: water and went door to door looking for witnesses, but

590
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: no clues as to Tarasha's whereabouts were found. There have

591
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: been unconfirmed sightings of Tarassia and Florida, prompting her family

592
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: to travel several times there to search for her. Selma

593
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: police say they are still looking for Tarassha Benjamin, but

594
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: they need information from the public to help them move

595
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: the investigation forward. You know, Karen start, I know people

596
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: mean well and they think they've seen her to calling in,

597
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: but also there are people that maliciously give false tips

598
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: and it puts the family through so much anguish. Why

599
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: would anyone do something like that, Well, there are people

600
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: who really enjoy being mean that way, Nancy. I know

601
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: nobody wants to think that of us as having that insight,

602
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: but there are people that are malicious that really want

603
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: to this lead the police get negative attention and enjoy

604
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: being part of whatever this investigation is, in whatever way

605
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: they can. Unfortunately that that's a part of human nature.

606
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm wanting to take a listen to Regina Benjamin. This

607
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: is Tarasha's mother speaking about how she realized hurting girl

608
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: was missing. Take a listen to our cut eight, which

609
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: they did come back, and her unders is love hand

610
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: backs how I found out to watch you, miss that's

611
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: about two. I know who makes clob That's when I

612
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: started calling around people's like watching the truck on about

613
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,479
Speaker 1: being about love. That called oh yeah, Trump's on about

614
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: and went from now so Dave Mike. Around two o'clock

615
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, the mom says, wait, wait, the flea

616
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: market's over. She's not home. Is that what happened? That's

617
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: exactly what happened. On top of the fact that the

618
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: flea market was closed, Talicia came back to Tlica Givon,

619
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: who Tarasha left with earlier in the day. Telicia Givon

620
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: comes back to the house looking for Tarasha, and that's

621
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: when missus Benjamin, Regina says, wait a minute, she was

622
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: with you. You're here and you don't know where she is.

623
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: And that's when she goes the flea market is closed,

624
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: and she starts calling everybody she knows, and that's where

625
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: she started. She knew immediately that Tarasha was missing. Staying

626
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: together as one of the biggest tips in keeping safe.

627
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: My twins are forever a lot together. We went to

628
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: a football game the other night and made them both

629
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: promise that they would not leave each other's side. Can

630
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: you imagine a boy and a girl of fourteen having

631
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: to stay together the whole football game, but they did

632
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: under at the punishment. Where does the case stand now?

633
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eleven. This is CBS

634
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: George McDonald. Police investigators say every lead in the case

635
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: so far has led to a dead end, but the

636
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: case remains open and the investigation ongoing. And there's I

637
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: always hope, you know, if you don't have a body,

638
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm consuming that the place is still alive and we're

639
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: hoping and praying that we can bring them back safely.

640
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: Even though the two years is here and we haven't

641
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: seen or heard of anything, there's still a hope. We

642
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: know somebody out there knows something. I cannot imagine what

643
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: this mother has lived through during the years her daughter

644
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: has just vanished and still remains missing. If you know

645
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: or think you know anything about the disappearance of this

646
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: young girl, Terasha Benjamin. Please dial one eight sixty six

647
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: four four Crime One eight six six four four two

648
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: two seven four six three Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off,

649
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: goodbye friend,