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Speaker 1: Grease and Bellennials, fellow seekers of the dark, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Nocturno Tales from the Shadows. Join me as we dare

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Speaker 1: to enter the flames of fright, where the veil between

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Speaker 1: worlds grow thin, and the haunting legends and lore of

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Speaker 1: Latin America stir to life, retold with a twist. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Danny Trail, and I hope you guys dug

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Speaker 1: our series. For tonight's bonus episode, We're switching things up.

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Speaker 1: Get ready to join me behind the scenes and take

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Speaker 1: a closer look into the creepy origins of our stories.

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Speaker 1: You'll hear from the twisted minds of the creators behind

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Speaker 1: the show on what inspired these horrifying tales. Trust me,

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Speaker 1: you want to miss this. Growing up Mexican American, the

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Speaker 1: supernatural wasn't just something you saw in the movies. It

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Speaker 1: was like part of the family. For us Latin Americans.

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Speaker 1: We lived and breathe this stuff. The mysteries of life

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Speaker 1: and death are just woven into us.

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Speaker 2: What can I say?

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Speaker 1: We're creative as hell and we'd like to have a

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Speaker 1: good time life short might as well fill it up

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Speaker 1: with good stories. Speaking of stories, one time when we

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Speaker 1: were looking. We were late at night. We'll all eight kids,

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Speaker 1: And I'll never forget that as long as I live.

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Speaker 1: And it was fun to get like nine kids in the.

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Speaker 2: Same bed there. Nobody.

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Speaker 1: Nobody wanted to sleep alone. Maybe that's why I love

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Speaker 1: horror so much.

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Speaker 2: It's in my blood.

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Speaker 1: Let's head to the writer's lair to hear from the

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Speaker 1: creators themselves. Enter at your own risk.

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Speaker 3: Hello, horror enthusiasts, Thank you for joining us. My name

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Speaker 3: is Elijah Satagiana. I'm Mexican and Nawa, which is an

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Speaker 3: indigenous peoples from Mexico. I wrote four of the episodes

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Speaker 3: for a little serious here and yeah, the supernaturals. That

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Speaker 3: has just been a part of life since as far

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Speaker 3: as back as I can remember. I think probably started

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Speaker 2: Kind of haunted as a kid.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's always just definitely been a part of

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Speaker 2: Wasn't a normal thing for everyone.

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Speaker 4: Hello listeners, I'm Blaine Morris. I also wrote four episodes

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Speaker 4: my mother's Puerto Rican and my Dad's White. So I

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Speaker 4: had an interesting upbringing of kind of both cultures. But

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Speaker 4: My mom's just like a bit witchy, and she has

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Speaker 6: Hello to all the misfits and weirdos out there.

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Speaker 7: I'm Stephanie Adam Santos.

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Speaker 6: I'm a Guatemalan American poet and screenwriter and artist from Oregon.

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Speaker 6: My mom's family is from Webertenango in western Guatemala. They

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Speaker 6: And I would say that the supernatural played a very

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Speaker 6: And one of the stories that always really stuck with

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Speaker 6: So she was my mother's or my grandmother's mother's cousin.

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Speaker 6: one point they say, she like ripped a bible in half,

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Speaker 6: One of the many, like many many stories I grew

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Speaker 1: Now you get why some people say Latinos are the

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: What have you ever wondered where some of these creatures

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Speaker 2: Welcome back votes.

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Speaker 1: Hope you grabbed your popcorn or in my case, a flashlight,

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Speaker 1: because it's about to get real. It's time to dive

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Speaker 1: origin of the stories. We'll be traveling from the caves

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Speaker 1: of Olivia to the midnight streets of New York City.

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Speaker 1: So buckle up for a little supernatural road trip, my friends,

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Speaker 1: In center the auto, we get a little taste of

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Speaker 1: Seva Lava, the Mayan Underworld. Let me tell you something

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Speaker 1: on me goes. This place is like Hades on stereoids.

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Speaker 1: It's got a river of scorpion, river of puss and blame, say,

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Speaker 6: So I grew up on tales from the crypt comics

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Speaker 6: and the TV show where You've got these like really

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Speaker 7: The culture alive.

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Speaker 6: sure that naivety does.

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Speaker 6: Soot I have been to Laguatilan many times and I've

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Speaker 5: You're growing up years ago.

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Speaker 7: But that is actually.

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Speaker 6: Inspired by like that is the shape of said Or

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Speaker 7: But the lake, the lake is amazing.

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Speaker 6: It's a lake like an ocean, and there's I've been

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Speaker 1: But even the sunny island of Puerto Rico has a

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Speaker 4: Hi, I'm Blaine and I wrote the episode Garita del Diablo.

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Speaker 5: As a Puerto Rican person.

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Speaker 5: He didn't like what the Spanish army was doing.

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Speaker 4: So I kind of took both of those things when

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Speaker 6: I love your version so much, like I feel like

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Speaker 5: I love it, baby. I also was excited that maybe

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because you can go see this place very easily.

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Speaker 4: At Fort Crystabal, you can just over the wall and

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Speaker 3: Do you know, is it too dangerous to visit or

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Speaker 4: I think it's a mix of both. They're probably scared

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Speaker 7: So, Blaine, would you spend the night in?

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Speaker 5: Hmmm?

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Speaker 4: I watch a lot of those like ghost watching shows,

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Speaker 2: They always have a spectraumeda.

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Speaker 4: Like trying to be a ghostbuster there. I think it'd

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Speaker 4: be really fun, but I need to like a tent.

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Speaker 4: I feel like it'd be very close cold, it's right

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Speaker 7: You should do a future Sono episode.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right there on location.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear that there's a baby out there?

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Speaker 1: Someone must have abandoned it out in the cornfield.

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Speaker 8: Hold on, little guy, I'm coming. Oh my god, that's

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Speaker 1: And heavy.

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Speaker 9: Lies of the grown we mean La La juicea a

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Speaker 1: By day she might look like you're sweet Awaita, but

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Speaker 2: You know, this is Elijah.

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Speaker 3: I wrote heavy lized the prone this episode. When I

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Speaker 3: Like bigger than a person like age. Okay, one story

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Speaker 2: And so when I was thinking, you know, where where

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Speaker 2: And yeah, that's that's pretty much it.

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Speaker 4: I find it really interesting because La la Chusa has

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of shape shifting too, like in the

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Speaker 3: Even in the like the Floriding codex it mentions de

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we call them in my family, and like there

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Speaker 6: it's the same. Like if I had a dream of

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Speaker 4: I only know, Hendwig, he's invited to cut in this out.

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Speaker 3: If anyone out there has ever seen a giant white owl.

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Speaker 1: Spooky stuff, my friends, But we're just getting started. How

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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: It's late at night and you're on your way home

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Speaker 1: the hell do I see?

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Speaker 1: Scars you for life. Your neighbor is half undressed, but

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Speaker 2: If you're really.

441
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: A lucky, a jaguar. Suddenly the creature turns its head

442
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: and looks right at you. You're wrong, but it's too late.

443
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: You've see what you shouldn't have seen, and now there's

444
00:28:49,040 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: no telling what whatever h love spills introduce us to

445
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: the legend of the Neguha, with lore that stretches all

446
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: the way from the southern US to Central America and beyond,

447
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: with roots back to pre Columbian days. And Negua is

448
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: a special type of bruja for which with the power

449
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: to transform into any animal. The Brujagua uses their powers

450
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: for all sorts of mischief. They can cast spells, curse people,

451
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: drink their blood, causes disease, or sneaks around undetected doing

452
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: whatever secret things they do in the darkness. I don't

453
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: know about you, but I would do my best to

454
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: stay on the good side of any whoka I know.

455
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 6: So I really loved shape shifter stories, and I knew

456
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 6: I wanted to do a shape shifter story.

457
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 7: I was very drawn to the idea of the Buha Nagual.

458
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 6: In my research, I discovered that the attitudes toward these

459
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 6: figures really changed after colonization. Where before Najua Lismo would

460
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 6: have been like it might have been feared, but it

461
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 6: was very respected and associated with higher knowledge and things

462
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 6: like that, versus after Catholicism was introduced, it became something

463
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 6: to fear, something associated with the devil. And then also

464
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 6: in thinking about just the themes of shape shifting and transformation,

465
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 6: it started to kind of make sense to me to

466
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 6: maybe think about this as a trans story of kind

467
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 6: of claiming ownership and embracing a magic and a power

468
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 6: that's really beautiful but that has been in some cases demonized.

469
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 7: And it's also a love story.

470
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 6: So I loved playing with the idea too that this

471
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 6: could be a love story that's actually about self love

472
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 6: and a character who's like looking for, you know, love

473
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 6: in this outer form they actually find it with this

474
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 6: power within and that that's all of those things kind

475
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 6: of became like the swirled in the cauldron and became

476
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 6: the story.

477
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 5: Steph, I really loved this episode. It's I found it

478
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 5: so beautiful.

479
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 4: I was just I know, you and I when we

480
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 4: first started coming up, we were like, how can we

481
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 4: bring queerness into all of these legends? And I would

482
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 4: love for you to talk about I feel like it

483
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 4: seamlessly worked into the shape shifting and how you came

484
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 4: up with that.

485
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 6: You know, I think like as queer people, like we

486
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 6: really embraced the idea that we don't we don't have

487
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 6: to take the shapes that society tells us, you know,

488
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 6: and that we have a magic and a power that

489
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 6: when we embrace it and own it, it's it's very powerful,

490
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 6: it's very beautiful, and that it just felt like this story,

491
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 6: you know, this felt like a story where I really

492
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 6: wanted to like do a love story for the quote

493
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 6: unquote monster. And you know there's that trope in horror

494
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 6: films where it's like the months, like you know, as

495
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 6: queer people have like so claimed monstrosity because we relate

496
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 6: to that idea of being like demonized the outcast, and

497
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 6: so there's actually like this great love in the queer

498
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 6: community for like monstrosity, and it felt it just was

499
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 6: really fun to kind of think of.

500
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 7: It felt seamless.

501
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 6: Actually to like have it be a shape shifting queer

502
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 6: story about like a young trans woman who's kind of

503
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 6: find like coming of age but into this like really

504
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 6: awesome power.

505
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

506
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: I think it's so profound that she not only like

507
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: finds peace once she has an understanding of what's happening,

508
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 3: but also power because of the mellow And I think, yeah,

509
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 3: I think this is pretty great.

510
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

511
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 6: And the so my grandma used to talk about these

512
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 6: buhas who could turn into turkeys, like that was the

513
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 6: kind of now well I grew up hearing about. And

514
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 6: I always thought that was hilarious because growing up in

515
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 6: the States, like we associate turkeys with more like silly

516
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 6: animals like gobble gobble, like you know, like Thanksgiving.

517
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 5: You know, we eat them.

518
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, like they're not you don't associate them with anything scary.

519
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 6: And but when you really look at turkey, like they

520
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 6: have they look like vultures, you know, they have like

521
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 6: the shriveled.

522
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 7: Heads, and they're actually that chin thing.

523
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, and they could be really like mean and

524
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 10: strong and and there was something about the lore like

525
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 10: maybe it's similar to like why people.

526
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 6: Would catch the latusa, but like if you can like

527
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 6: there's something like if when the witch changes shape, she

528
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 6: like leaves her human skin in her in her house,

529
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 6: and if you can like find the human skin and

530
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 6: burn it, like you can like destroy the witch or something,

531
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 6: you know. There was something like that that really fascinated me.

532
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 6: But I loved bringing the turkey, the turkey neg wall

533
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 6: into the story through the through the shopkeeper and having

534
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 6: that that like that little lineage.

535
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 4: Piece and listeners, we're just wondering if you could shape

536
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 4: shift into an animal, what animal would you choose?

537
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: With her skin, blood, and in this case fat. In

538
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, a shocking story's broke out of Brue.

539
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: Authorities claim they pust a gang that murdered dozens of

540
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: people and drained their fat for some twisted international cosmetic

541
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: trade to Europe. But when experts took a closer look,

542
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: new theory started swirling. They proposed that this grizzly tale

543
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: might have been cooked up by the National Police Force

544
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: to cover up their own dirty deep testests. But while

545
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: the story of the Fat Stephen Gang might have been debunked,

546
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: it's rules in something much darker. Nighttime Harvest introduces us

547
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: to the crucial legend of the Pistocle, which goes way

548
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: back to the horror of the colonial leer. Imagine the

549
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: fear of the indigence folks of the Andes hearing tales

550
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: of pale skinned monstrous preying on them in the night.

551
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: From those very real fears, Elpi Stocko was born a

552
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: nightmare from the horrors of colonization. This pale skins creep

553
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: praise on locals slitting their throats and hanging them over

554
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: a slow flame to collect their fresher fat as it

555
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 1: drifts down. Talk about a vampire that's not exactly twilight material,

556
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: Mine my mind, How must me you have on your bodies?

557
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: Hi?

558
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 4: Everyone blame here again? I wrote Nighttime Harvest.

559
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 5: This one was.

560
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 4: Very exciting for me because what I love about a

561
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 4: lot of Latin America folklore is that a lot of

562
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 4: it's still alive.

563
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 5: And a lot of people really believe.

564
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 4: In it, Versus a lot of Western legends like the

565
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 4: Greek gods and stuff.

566
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 5: No one really those are just stories.

567
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 4: I feel like these are all very present still and

568
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 4: people are scared of them and using them. So yeah,

569
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 4: when I was researching into the piach taco, I came

570
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 4: on upon this news article of kind of these corrupt

571
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 4: cops who were kidnapping people in Peru and blamed it

572
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 4: on the peach taco and started a whole hysteria around.

573
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 5: And I know something similar happened.

574
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 4: In Puerto Rico recently with the Chupicaba. A bunch of

575
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 4: animals were dying and another hysterio broke out with that.

576
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, I was like, how can I make this

577
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 4: feel even more present? And I lived in New York

578
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 4: City for a while, was like, what if the peach

579
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 4: tacos in New York?

580
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 5: That feels really terrifying to me. And then.

581
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 4: It's also the legend basically comes from colonization, where the

582
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 4: indigenous people in Peru basically were like, there's this blonde,

583
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 4: creepy man with a beard who's coming around and stealing

584
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 4: her fat. It's believed they were scared of the fat

585
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 4: because the soldiers were using fat to horse fat and

586
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 4: pig fat to help with their guns, losing their guns,

587
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 4: and they were also like shining bells with them, so

588
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 4: they were actively using fat regularly and they were scared

589
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 4: they were gonna steal it from them, which also felt like.

590
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 5: Stealing a part of you and like their culture.

591
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 4: And I also, Latino food does have a lot of

592
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 4: fat in it, so I found that interesting. So yeah,

593
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 4: I brought it to New York City and then brought

594
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 4: a girl there. And I know I was living up

595
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 4: in Harlem and Washington Heights and that whole area is gentrified.

596
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 4: Kind of married those two iteas ideas together, the peach tacos,

597
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 4: a gentrifier in New York.

598
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 5: Coming for this poor girl.

599
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 4: And then yeah, I got a little freaky and dark

600
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 4: with the ending. This is my most like evil episode.

601
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: I'd say, yeah, you definitely did.

602
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

603
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's just me, but I feel

604
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 6: like being drained of fat is just so much more

605
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 6: grotesque and freakier than being drained of blood.

606
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 7: Do you think, so, Like, why is it so horrible?

607
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 7: It's just an awful Yeah.

608
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 4: I feel like with like Western vampires, it's almost been

609
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 4: romanticized and sensualized, and for fat, it's like wait, Also,

610
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 4: I'm like, how how do you do that?

611
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 5: Scientifically? Yeah? How exactly do you do that?

612
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 4: And then there's also in this legend the commercial aspect

613
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 4: of they weren't just taking the fat that they were

614
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 4: then like selling the fat and making money off of

615
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 4: it and using it for things, which is almost like

616
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 4: that they're not even consuming it, they're using capitalism on

617
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 4: top of it.

618
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,959
Speaker 6: Yeah, which is it feels like insulting what you're saying

619
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 6: makes me think it's like a metaphor for just the

620
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 6: complete exploitation of conversation, like being taken apart, you know,

621
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 6: and like everything that's most precious about you being like

622
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 6: used used up.

623
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you never think like you can drain enough blood

624
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 3: you you pass out and then it's over. But like

625
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 3: if the fat is being drained for your body, like

626
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 3: what is I actually don't want to think about that anyway, But.

627
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 4: Like I personally, I take a lot of pride in

628
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 4: my curves, so like I wouldn't want to lose any

629
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 4: of my fat.

630
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 7: I got a nice moody.

631
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 3: So if the Peachtaco were made into a Hollywood movie,

632
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 3: who do you think should play the role.

633
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 4: It's it's the guy who played Hannibal on the TV

634
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 4: show Mad's Michelson.

635
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 5: I think he'd be great.

636
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 4: But I think you could also do someone like younger

637
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 4: and hotter.

638
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

639
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 5: It'd probably be a Scar Stars guard.

640
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 6: Oh Stars Guard would be a natural choice. But also,

641
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 6: what about Steve? Why does that seem.

642
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 7: He is charming?

643
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 2: Charming man like to play the character or just actually

644
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 2: Steve Welcome back votes.

645
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: Speaking of eternal youth and shallow graves, you mean doctor

646
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: a naughty or naughty or however he said the mad

647
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: scientists who turned his laboratory into a house of horror

648
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: back in the nineteen since, this German surgeon moved to

649
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: Venezuela and set up shop at the old hospital San

650
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: Juan De. During the Federal War of the eighteen sixties,

651
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: he got obsessed with decomposition. This guy started experimenting on

652
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: uncleaned courses from the battlefields, hauling them to his lab

653
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: at Bonavista on the backs of donkeys, and after some

654
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: serious creepy trials, he invented a fluid as could preserve

655
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: cadavers without even removing their organs. He was so dedicated

656
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: to his paramids he even mummified himself.

657
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 3: So when I first heard about doctor Conochie, it's it

658
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 3: was just so interesting because a lot of the lore

659
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 3: and they're not there. There's stories that you know how

660
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: they originated. Were not entirely sure where that came from.

661
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Speaker 3: But doctor Conochie was a doctor that came over from Germany,

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Speaker 3: uh and I made eighteen hundreds and did invent an

663
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: boing fluid and created mummies and had himself Mamma mummified.

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Speaker 2: He also there's a famous.

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Speaker 3: Journalist and that he also mummified, and in the story

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00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: goes is that he dressed him up in a really

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00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 3: nice clothes and he just sat in his in his

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Speaker 3: house for forty years and people.

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Speaker 2: Would come by and he was just a preserved mummy.

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Speaker 2: So it's just it's just really yeah. And so I

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Speaker 2: started thinking.

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00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 3: About this, this doctor and how like that version of

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Speaker 3: him from the eighteen hundreds if he were in today's

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Speaker 3: day and age, like, what would that be like? And

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Speaker 3: the more I thought about it, the more I just

676
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 3: thought it was would be hilarious because it's just a

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Speaker 3: man out of time and just really obsessed with the macabre.

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Speaker 2: And I just.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to approach it a little differently. And so,

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Speaker 3: as Stephan you mentioned earlier, just like growing up with

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Speaker 3: tales from the crypt and even more more recently, like

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Speaker 3: los of Spookies is. I was thinking that sort of

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00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: that campiness would be really fun to play with, and

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Speaker 3: so I have The first thing I started with was

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Speaker 3: this dialogue between the main character, Roger, who's who's kind

686
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Speaker 3: of a scoundrel running this.

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Speaker 2: Racket Roger.

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Speaker 3: And having him talk with doctor Gnocci him and this

689
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Speaker 3: back and forth, and I just thought it was hilarious,

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Speaker 3: and I had like pages and pages of them just

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Speaker 3: going back and forth. And then I realized I could

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Speaker 3: just couldn't be the entire thing.

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Speaker 5: Just then talking, so but just hang it.

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Speaker 3: Out at that point and and yeah, so that kind

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Speaker 3: of just like gave me this idea of because he

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00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 3: was obsessed with stopping the decomposition, so you know, that's

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00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 3: kind of thinking more about like what if that turned

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Speaker 3: into him being obsessed about stopping death completely and so

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Speaker 3: maybe the rumors were conflated with the elixir of life

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Speaker 3: and so now he's being credited with it.

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Speaker 2: So I took some liberties.

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00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 3: With, you know, some of the story there, but but yeah,

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00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 3: that was kind of the impetus for you know, where

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Speaker 3: the story was going to go and what was going

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Speaker 3: to drive it.

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Speaker 6: I love this story so much, and I feel like

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Speaker 6: I really want to see it as a feature film,

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Speaker 6: like it gives me the vibes of like Death Becomes

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00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 6: Her or Yeah, just that like that marriage of like

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00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 6: really like wild dark humor and campiness.

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Speaker 7: It was just so fun. What was what was your

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00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 7: favorite part of writing it?

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Speaker 3: Definitely the other the dialogue or the interactions between doctor

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00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 3: Gnoca and Roger.

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Speaker 2: It got really stupid really fast, and I was just.

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Speaker 3: Such a fan of it. So yeah, that was definitely

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00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 3: my favorite part. And then to hear Gonocci come alive

718
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 3: in the way that he did in the episode, I

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00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 3: was like, exactly the way it sounded in my head,

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Speaker 3: and I tried to read the lines out loud and

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Speaker 3: do my German accent and.

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Speaker 2: It just wouldn't work. So it was it was great

723
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Speaker 2: to hear.

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Speaker 5: Finally, I want to hear your German accent. No, that

725
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 5: were British.

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Speaker 4: Wait, so you said this is from the eighteen hundreds,

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Speaker 4: like the late eighteen hundreds.

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00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, mid mid eighteen hundreds.

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00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 3: I think, I don't want to get the years wrong,

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Speaker 3: but there's this civil war in eighteen forties and eighteen fifties,

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Speaker 3: so he left Germany and came to yeah, and it

732
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 3: was yeah, a doctor helped with the cholera epidemic. And

733
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Speaker 3: then I think he died in like nineteen oh one,

734
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 3: so he's like eighty eight when he died and was wow. Yeah,

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00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: So it's a it's a story that's closer to now

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00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 3: than a lot of a lot of the others.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I find it interesting because like why mummification

738
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 4: was that even popular then?

739
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 5: Or was he into Egyptians or it's.

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00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 2: Just a weird dude.

741
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 3: But I guess with the with the war, seeing so

742
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 3: many dead bodies and there was he's just like, what

743
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: do we do with all these dead bodies?

744
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know.

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00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 4: It could be a sentimentality to hold on to someone

746
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 4: you lost or something.

747
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a question with.

748
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: People out there listening, it's very psycho Domify your relatives

749
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 3: and keep them in your house for forty years.

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Speaker 4: I also wanted to bring up one other thing in

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00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 4: the episode that I love is the talking bird. Yeah,

752
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 4: and I think that the original legend his nurse is

753
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 4: a shape shifter.

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00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she uh.

755
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 3: Well, the legend goes that she stayed in his estate,

756
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 3: she became the witch of Avila and The story was

757
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 3: that she could talk to birds and they could talk

758
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 3: to her, so I wasn't able to bring her into it,

759
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 3: but I just thought it was so cool. So I

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00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 3: was like, what if there was a talking bird and

761
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: we enterr Amadi Weissman?

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00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 5: So cool.

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Speaker 7: So this is a question for our listeners. Would you

764
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 7: ever want to be mummified?

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00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 4: Why?

766
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 7: Or why not?

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Speaker 1: From shape shifting which is two fat sucking vampires. These

768
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: stories cover the full spectrum of creepy and bazar. But

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00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: let me ask, what do you believe? Are these things real?

770
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: We're just statements of the imagination.

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00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 5: Well, Danny, I think they're real. I think there's too

772
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 5: many stories in the world for these.

773
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 4: Things not to be real in some capacity. Yeah, and

774
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 4: so many similarities. It's interesting how so much of this links.

775
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 4: There's got to be something.

776
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have carried on for centuries, and yeah,

777
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 3: I have my own experiences which tell me that these

778
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 3: things are definitely real. I sometimes wish they weren't, but yeah,

779
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think I can deny it.

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00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 6: I also feel like like I have a bit of

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00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 6: a non traditional view on it, Like I very much

782
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 6: believe in the supernatural, but I also think that our imagination,

783
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 6: like the things we dream, hallucinate even the things we

784
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 6: come up with creatively. Like when my grandma tells a

785
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 6: story and then I retell it and I embellish it

786
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 6: a little. I think there's truth there too, you know,

787
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 6: Like I think there's like the supernatural is our way

788
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 6: of giving voice to things that are invisible, and like,

789
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 6: for example, we know that people who have experienced trauma,

790
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 6: Like there's genetic markers for that in our DNA, And

791
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 6: isn't that kind of ghost and like how does that

792
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 6: influence what we see and perceive in the world.

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00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 7: So I feel like I.

794
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 6: Believe in it very much, but maybe not like exclusively

795
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 6: in a literal way like that, there are other It

796
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 6: gives voice to other dimensions that we're experiencing in culture

797
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 6: and in life and across generations.

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Speaker 4: Thank you listeners so much for listening to our show.

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00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 4: It was a blast to imagine up all of these

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Speaker 4: episodes and bring you on this journey.

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00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 5: Thank you.

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00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for listening sleepless nights thinking

803
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 3: about a lot of scary shit.

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00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: So thanks for sticking with us.

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00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, here's to all the ghouls out there.

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00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: Whatever you believe the supernatural is alive and kicking in

807
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: Latin America, with ancient lore revealing itself generation after generation,

808
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: speaking of which.

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00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of?

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00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 5: In the Horns, Born.

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00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: From the darkest depths of Echo Park, this nightmare where

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00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: they much at the stars, the streets, hungry for a

813
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: midnight night. And I don't mean no doubtful, I hope

814
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: you kept your lights on on e those This has

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00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: been Noctornal Tales from the Shadows.

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Speaker 11: Nocturno Tales from the Shadows was produced by Sonoro in

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Speaker 11: partnership with I Heartsmichael Dura Podcast Network, Produced and directed

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Speaker 11: by Luis Eduardo Castillo, developed and produced by Bettina Lopez,

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Speaker 11: the executive produced by Colonel Burn and Giselle Benzies for

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Speaker 11: iHeart and Camilla Victoriano and Josho Weinstein for Sonoro.

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Speaker 2: This episode was written by.

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Speaker 11: Stephanie Adams Santos. Performances in this episode by Danny Trejo,

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Speaker 11: Elijah Sarigane, Blaine Morris, and Stephanie Adams Santos. Our production

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Speaker 11: manager is Keren Sachais. Recording engineering and so designed by

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Speaker 11: Cassandra Tinajero and Andres Bayena, with assistance by Emiliano Quintanard

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Speaker 11: casting a coordination by Ansley Martinez, Alex Gonzalez, Carenza Chaides

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Speaker 11: and Pendina Lopez. Voices recorded at the Invisible Studios and

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Speaker 11: and Low Key Entertainment in Lima, Perul, with engineering by

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Speaker 11: and Bill Carcery