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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast

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Speaker 1: build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable Mental Wealth Podcast with Jay Glazer. I'm

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Speaker 2: Jay Glazer, and you know I met this guest here,

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Speaker 2: oh god. It was probably about two thousand and nine

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Speaker 2: or something like that, and I was training the rams

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Speaker 2: and mixed martial arts. And he's the type of guy

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Speaker 2: who will immediately elevate you because of what he's been

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Speaker 2: through and what he a first had to come through

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Speaker 2: to play in the NFL, be what he's done with

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Speaker 2: adversity in his life.

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Speaker 3: And I tried to beat up on him back then.

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Speaker 2: He took life trying to beat up on him after that,

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Speaker 2: and he has turned into a whole bunch of rainbows

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Speaker 2: from many many people.

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Speaker 3: With that, I'm going to bring in my dude, David Fobora.

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Speaker 2: Now let me just explain who he is before you

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Speaker 2: get all pissed off of me that I call him

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Speaker 2: mister irrelevant. That's what they call the last draft pick

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Speaker 2: of the draft and the very last guy was drafted.

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Speaker 2: That's what they call him. There's a whole thing done.

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Speaker 2: But also you know, after that, I linked up with him.

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Speaker 2: He opened a place called the Adaptive Training Foundation in Dallas.

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Speaker 2: We trans veterans who are handicapped to are amputees and

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Speaker 2: bark seeds what he did on the football field. And

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Speaker 2: now he has a podcast called life After podcast he's

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Speaker 2: doing with my Uh, I got Chris Long, my little

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Speaker 2: brother there we played with at the Rams. So with that,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've got it for four minutes about your introduction,

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Speaker 2: but I'm just excited to see it, dude, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Likewise, Jay Man, thanks for having me on. Bro. It's

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Speaker 1: cool because like this is all family between Sea Long

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Speaker 1: with Chris, green Light and yoat House Media, which is

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Speaker 1: here's what's crazy. I was in Charlottesville. I did green

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Speaker 1: Light with Chris and afterwards he's like, man, you're such

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Speaker 1: a great conversationalist. You know you should start you start

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Speaker 1: this thing. You should do your own, Like, bro, every

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Speaker 1: white guy in America has a podcast, like you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't need another. And he was like, yeah, but man,

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Speaker 1: I don't care, like, don't worry about the reach otherwise.

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Speaker 1: Just you know, you're a curio guy. You have interesting conversations.

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Speaker 1: Why not? So we launched it last week. The doc right,

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Speaker 1: one of the original members at UAH. His story, you know,

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Speaker 1: car accident crushing his vocal cords. Ultimately voice sounds like

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Speaker 1: the voice of a monster. Never goes back to rap ports.

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Speaker 1: Everything in the Snoop Dogg lives with Dre for thirty years.

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Speaker 1: It's stories like that. Athletes, entertainers, vets, people that have

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Speaker 1: had these and again life altering moments show up, right,

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Speaker 1: You've endured them. I've endured. It's about how you respond

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Speaker 1: and who you show up as afterwards. That really is

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Speaker 1: the mark of a champion.

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Speaker 2: But because I was just in the combine, I was

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Speaker 2: talking a bunch of gms, I'm like, if I have

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Speaker 2: one question for any of his guys, it's what's the

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Speaker 2: biggest aversion you've been through?

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Speaker 3: And now you basically have a show based on that question.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, I mean, look, at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, I'm all about learning. You mentioned mister irrelevant,

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Speaker 1: You call me mister anything you want. I got drafted

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. I don't know. I was going to

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Speaker 1: use hard work, allies and alliances to you know, beat

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Speaker 1: people more talented and so in the mental emotional space,

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Speaker 1: I feel like exploring these questions you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're all human, and the human experience is largely ripe

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Speaker 1: with pain. And what is it about suffering when I

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Speaker 1: think you suffer when you don't see it for purpose?

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Speaker 1: And for me, when I got out of the league,

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Speaker 1: I was severely addicted to opiates, man. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: pressure is high, pain is high. Like, of course you're

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Speaker 1: then this made you feel a lot better and delivered.

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Speaker 1: They work until they were and I was puking and

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Speaker 1: shipping all over myself. I went through a seven day detox,

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Speaker 1: lost thirty four pounds. Wow, dude, it was brutal, like

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Speaker 1: hardest I mean I felt was running into big dudes

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Speaker 1: deep loathing. There was this self critic you know. And

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Speaker 1: that experience because these vets that you mentioned that I'm

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Speaker 1: That's the same thing that I dealt with with ball

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Speaker 2: So normally I asked, what's your unbreakable moment at the

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Speaker 2: I don't know the background of why you fall off

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Speaker 2: So I was going to say, give me your unbreakable moment.

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Speaker 1: Your unbreakable moment is My unbreakable moment is the floor

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Speaker 1: of drug detox. In Seattle, Washington. Was playing for the

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Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. I'd played three years of the Rams, went

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Speaker 1: And that's the last play. In fact, crazy talk about

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Speaker 1: for my pension. Wow, bro, that game like that quarter.

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Speaker 1: So you fast forward and you know I took a

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Speaker 1: year off the league, rehabbed. I thought I was going

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Speaker 1: But as I started to rehab and get off first

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Speaker 1: I started to ask really deeper questions, like, man, is

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Speaker 1: match somebody's needs outside of the game of football? And dude,

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Speaker 1: it was when I moved to Texas I met a

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Speaker 1: quadruple amputee, a guy that got blown up. There's only

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Speaker 1: five combat injured quadruple amputee staff Sergeant Travis Mills, and

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Speaker 1: I walked up to this dude boldly, Jay, I'm exactly

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Speaker 1: I don't have arms and legs. What do you mean?

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, look, I understand, but I'm going to

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Speaker 1: And it's weird how that perspective uplifts everybody.

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Speaker 3: But you know, it's funny because when I put that

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Speaker 2: Common loss is the same, like football players look up

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Speaker 2: I'm afraid for myself. That's when I don't have that

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Speaker 2: know when I started empty peers more of an emotional

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Speaker 3: Where like, it's not like you and I went to

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Speaker 2: Right, where did you decide, Hey, I could I could

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Speaker 1: Man, it was guinea Piggy, you guy that jumped out

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Speaker 1: of perfectly good airplanes, the perfect got a guinea pig, Like,

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Speaker 1: we're going to figure this stuff out. A lot of

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Speaker 1: You know, so it's not always tragedy. Sometimes it's these

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I do with a lot of

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Speaker 3: And he's like what now? Like I did it? Like

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Speaker 3: in the fight world too totally.

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Speaker 2: Now where does it go? And But I think that

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Speaker 2: he all our vets and football players like I'm fucked up,

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Speaker 2: but I'm good with my fucked upness.

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Speaker 3: Are fucked up this? Let us that's true.

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Speaker 2: Let mister relevant to start for the Rams. And I

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Speaker 2: believe you're the first guy to start in fifteen years.

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Speaker 3: Who was mister irrelevant?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Marty Moore, you know there's this guy brock Berdy.

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Speaker 1: Now he's done all right for the brand. Actually, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna speak this into the universes.

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Speaker 1: I've had this thought, Jay, you might be the guy

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Speaker 1: for it. You know, you got the Heisman House commercials. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and she one that grabbed my legs and pulled me down.

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00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,920
Speaker 1: When we got back, I took her to my dealer's house,

430
00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,680
Speaker 1: which is terrible because I needed to get some right

431
00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,879
Speaker 1: like you just you're not you. And then from that point,

432
00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:46,800
Speaker 1: you know, I went in and I thought like, oh man,

433
00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,639
Speaker 1: I got this, and dude, I didn't. I didn't have

434
00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,199
Speaker 1: it at all. It shook my tree. But I'm so

435
00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,480
Speaker 1: grateful for it, like I said, because it was that

436
00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,040
Speaker 1: that catapult being pulled back to the more significant work

437
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:55,520
Speaker 1: of my life.

438
00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,560
Speaker 3: And also look at like we're talking about find your team,

439
00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:00,920
Speaker 3: like talk about like.

440
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,600
Speaker 1: That woman God love man, just insane, which what I

441
00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 1: put her through, And that's that's.

442
00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:08,000
Speaker 3: One of the things.

443
00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,560
Speaker 2: I just talked to my wife about this the early day,

444
00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,639
Speaker 2: I said, and I just did ready to row with

445
00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:13,080
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl.

446
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,600
Speaker 3: I'mitt at this, I said, Man, all.

447
00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,200
Speaker 2: My crazy antics and my you know, my the depression

448
00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,720
Speaker 2: and anxiety maybe push away a lot of good people,

449
00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,359
Speaker 2: a lot of people in my life. I'd say, I

450
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,359
Speaker 2: would say some of it. I regret some of it.

451
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,960
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like disappointed that they would go the

452
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,440
Speaker 2: other way. And that's my point because there are people

453
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,760
Speaker 2: out there like your wife will embrace you, say no, no,

454
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,280
Speaker 2: come here, I got you. And that's anybody out there

455
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,280
Speaker 2: who's listened. That's the high former currency you can have

456
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 2: in this world.

457
00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,120
Speaker 1: Well said bro, Yeah, I've got to get honest. That's

458
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,760
Speaker 1: the key piece is taking inventory. Be really where you are, man,

459
00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,480
Speaker 1: and if you're mad, be mad, you know, like it'd

460
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,800
Speaker 1: be that, but then express that and find you know,

461
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 1: constructive habits, because again, coping with drugs and alcohol is

462
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,080
Speaker 1: the quickest way. I mean, you know you've seen it,

463
00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,440
Speaker 1: Like all these guys that we lost, alcohol was present, man,

464
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,800
Speaker 1: and it just it pulls you down into that funnel.

465
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,719
Speaker 2: So I stopped you in the miliar story when you're

466
00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 2: saying you're trying to hope the big of the student castle.

467
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, So the plate I fall, I can't even stand.

468
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,520
Speaker 1: It shatters, and you know, I'm embarrassed. I'm ashamed of

469
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,640
Speaker 1: the nurses Russian and I'm apologizing, and quickly I realized

470
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 1: they're not even worried about the mess. But they were

471
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 1: grabbing me because they thought I was going to use

472
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,439
Speaker 1: the broken plate to try to slit my wrists. So

473
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 1: now bro, I'm on suicide watch. I get moved to

474
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Speaker 1: a floor that you don't want to be on. Wow.

475
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there essentially cuffed. I mean, it's it's

476
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,440
Speaker 1: it's tied to the side of the bed and I'm

477
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 1: just sobbing. Bro. I remember praying for an angel. You know,

478
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 1: grew up with faith, you know, definitely. I think I

479
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 1: love the quote that religion is for people that don't

480
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,439
Speaker 1: want to go to Hell's spiritualities for those that have

481
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,879
Speaker 1: been there. I haven't heard that, dude, religion is for

482
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Speaker 1: people that don't want to go to hell spiritualities for

483
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 1: those that have been there.

484
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 3: Wow.

485
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 1: And if you've dealt with what I'm talking about, man,

486
00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 1: you've been there. And it's crazy. There was this nurse team.

487
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. Man. She must have gave all

488
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: the other nurses her arounds. She sat with me all night,

489
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 1: she held my hands, she prayed with me. She got

490
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 1: I get emotional, man, because the angel that I needed.

491
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,880
Speaker 1: And she was calling Sarah in between and letting her

492
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 1: know that I was okay. That dude, to me was

493
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 1: It just gave me the feeling like, man, God's got this. Man,

494
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 1: I don't have to keep trying to do this on

495
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,640
Speaker 1: my own. Like I can rely on people and and

496
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: and be so much better.

497
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 2: You know, when I wrote my book, I talk about

498
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 2: finding your teammates and I'm like, hey, God's your teammate.

499
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't I don't ask God. Can

500
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 2: you get me this job? Or can you make this apple?

501
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 2: Can I get this amount of money? I was like,

502
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 2: I got this. I'm a fighter. Just don't let me

503
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,640
Speaker 2: do it alone. Just pick me up, brush me off,

504
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 2: Let's keep walking this walk together. And that's why you

505
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 2: really should ask. And by the way, like God's supposed

506
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 2: to be your best friend parent, You're not gonna constantly

507
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 2: ask your friend and get mad at your friend if

508
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 2: they don't get your car, if they don't get your job, if.

509
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 3: This doesn't happen, that doesn't happen. You don't do that.

510
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 3: You're not gonna be friends with them, you know. But

511
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 3: I love that you.

512
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 2: We have to kind of that similar view of it also,

513
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 2: and you never know when that atal was going to

514
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 2: step up.

515
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 3: But it does show you that the universe is there

516
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 3: to help us.

517
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Speaker 1: Well, it's cool what you said earlier about you know,

518
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: you know fighters that I mean, so I mentioned dak

519
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 1: coming into this, I mean after Dak lost his brother.

520
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: Just think about how again, Like how for him, everybody

521
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 1: in the world sees him as the star quarterback and

522
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 1: yet like he is as human as any of us.

523
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: And we've had some private talks that again, it's like,

524
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's a good game or a bad game, whatever,

525
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: Like you still got to look yourself in the mirror

526
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 1: and know that you're loved and that you're worthy. I

527
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 1: think I've lived a lot of my life where I'm

528
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 1: trying to achieve to make myself worthy. But man's that's

529
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: a trap, dude. Then you end up trumping from place

530
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 1: to place looking for, you know, the destination to be

531
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 1: the arrival. And life's not like that. It's non linear. Man.

532
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: You're you know, bouncing from X to X on the map,

533
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: hopefully making a difference and doing some things that you

534
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: felt like you were called to do.

535
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 2: So again, I talked about I was fighting You're mister irrelevant,

536
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 2: So you had to fight, fight, fight, fight for every

537
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 2: little thing you got. I you know, I just kind

538
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 2: of we just aid Jimmy Johnson. One of the coolest

539
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: moments I ever had with him was earlier in our

540
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: earlier this season in Our Green Room, and Jimmy and

541
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 2: I got really close.

542
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 3: These last couple of years.

543
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 2: We sitting next to the other in the green room,

544
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 2: and I was like, Coach, being this close to you

545
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: and getting your approval is like the coolest thing I

546
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: ever had in my career. And he said, Jay, I

547
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 2: got you. You know, I took me a long time.

548
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 2: Then I got you, and I realized you always had

549
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 2: to fight for everything in your life, like you don't

550
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 2: know anything else but to fight. Once I appreciated that,

551
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: and I realized that we got great and I was like, Coach,

552
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you got to see that. My question

553
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: to you, I guess is I don't think I'm not

554
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: fighting fighting fighting anymore for the most part, Like I'm

555
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 2: established some good I'm still fighting.

556
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 3: The demons pre in my ears. But do you still

557
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 3: feel like, hey, I gotta fight for everything.

558
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 2: I'm mister irrelevant or are you in a position now

559
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 2: like I don't have to go to the same way.

560
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:00,959
Speaker 2: I guess I'm goin to ask them for advice.

561
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say this. I think, like this computer that

562
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: I'm talking through, you need to upgrade to the programming, right,

563
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: And I think that my view of fighting today is

564
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: much more in lockstep with doing it for intrinsic reasons,

565
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: not extrinsic right, Like, and I'll tell you, brother, this

566
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 1: is a scar that was dealt when I was ten

567
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 1: neighbor seventeen year old ended up raping me. It is

568
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: a wound that I promise I don't make it to

569
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: the NFL unless this happens because I put them the armor,

570
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: so nobody, right, I was going to date the hottest chick.

571
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: I was going to bang all right, I was going

572
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 1: to be the captain of the football teach I back

573
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: to the glaze, right, the persona you wear that and

574
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you realize, like you can

575
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: take that only so far until those walls start to

576
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: come in and that death, that the ego death that

577
00:24:55,320 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: I endured, and the process to rediscover, right, who's David

578
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: without this and who's David with this? And if there's

579
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: a difference, then there's a trap involved. And so I

580
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 1: think for me, there's still a fight. You know, I

581
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: still do stupid stuff all the time, Like I'm running

582
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: these hundred mile races. I learn well from pain. Like

583
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: guys like you and me, we don't do normal well.

584
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, we pain and us have good relationships.

585
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: We're masochistic in some ways. There's a pleasure piece of

586
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: that paradigm. But but I know that life will provide

587
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: the curriculum. So rather than going out and creating the chaos,

588
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: because that's what makes me feel like I'm in the fight,

589
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: I can recognize that there's times between that I just

590
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 1: need to be present in fact all the time. The

591
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: only thing that's happened is now. And with my kids,

592
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: especially those kids, man, they don't need David daddy the

593
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: football player. I was driving past Mile High Stadium and

594
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: my daughter oldest, who's eleven now, but she was three,

595
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey Ley, her name's of lee Ola.

596
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: I said, Babe, that stadium Daddy used to play football

597
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: in there. Out missing a bja, she said, pass me

598
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: my sippy cup. But you go, you know, that's that's

599
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: our kids. That's beautiful, supid. They just need dad, man.

600
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: They don't need dad to play in the NFL enough

601
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: that Blazer like, they just need dad.

602
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're good enough. It's funny to you you talk

603
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: about that the chaos. One of the things I talk

604
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 3: about now.

605
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: To people is I've figured out where I've weaponized my

606
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: mental health issues. So if you weaponize them, you're not

607
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 2: seeing right, and then we can live in the present

608
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: like you're saying, so like my my anxiety, I'm fucking

609
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: great and chaos I suck and come, so I will

610
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 2: cause chaos in the business deals because then people just

611
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 2: want they wanted to, they want to tap out, they

612
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: want to make up sex.

613
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 3: That's I'll do it on purpose. It's just it's kind

614
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: of this relentlessness.

615
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 2: If I didn't have that anxiety, I wouldn't be I

616
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: wouldn't have a drive that I have.

617
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 3: And same thing for you and that man, that's so brave.

618
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: You and open up and talk about what you just

619
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 2: talk about here and you know too very fun and

620
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 2: that's always talk about. People are like they say, I'm

621
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 2: so courageous you to open up and talk about your

622
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: mental health. I'm like, not courageous. I'm just bad motherfucker.

623
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 2: No one's questioned my manhood, and say with you, right,

624
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: he ain't nobody questioned our.

625
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: Manhood yep, yep. And I think that the strength that

626
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: comes from giving others the permission slip to be vulnerable.

627
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: Chair two. I mean that's the magic of the huddle.

628
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: MVP is, dude. We've moved our bodies. We've kind of connected.

629
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: You know. It's like when dudes go golfing at the front,

630
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: they're like shaking hands. By the end they're like, yeah,

631
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: you know, a few more beers and their chest bumping.

632
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: Once we can break down those walls, it's like, man,

633
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: there's more similarities than differences. And to the point that

634
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 1: you made, it's like, I'm a badass man, I've proven it,

635
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: So why do I need more validation from y'all. I

636
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: I just need to recognize that I'm exactly where I'm

637
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: supposed to be and I'm chasing this new Ridge line

638
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: and that's okay.

639
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I love it, dude, I love connecting with you.

640
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: We gotta do this more man like again. Our lives

641
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 2: keep bringing us back. Then we's got we got to

642
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: be better.

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Speaker 1: We got it. We'll throw it out a life after

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Speaker 1: pot on my side of the street and I'll see

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Speaker 1: if I can't get it there and dig out.

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Speaker 2: I'm in, Dude, didn't time you want me in? I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm on bro, and then I I can't dude. I

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Speaker 2: love you, you know, dude, And let's make sure we

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Speaker 2: check out on each other.

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Speaker 1: A lot more deal. Love you Jay, You're the man.

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Speaker 3: Love you brother again. Tell people what the pod is

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Speaker 3: where they can.

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Speaker 1: Get Yeah, check out the Life After podcast. It's on

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Speaker 1: all the platforms. Every Wednesday we release a new episode. Again.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to my man Chris Long, green Light, Yolk

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Speaker 1: Media House. They're the ones that push me in this direction.

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Speaker 1: And I hope you guys enjoy this content because it's

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Speaker 1: just really meaningful. Man. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: I know that it'll provide hope and inspiration.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, dude, Hey, let's keep walking, us walk together. Love

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Speaker 3: you brother,