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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in play Travis but Sexton Show. We've got a

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Speaker 2: fun Thursday for all of you. It is still for

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Speaker 2: many of you a holiday week, and we hope you

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Speaker 2: are having a fantastic time wherever you are spending time

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Speaker 2: with us.

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Speaker 3: As we roll towards the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Cocaine Gate Buck has continued to create quite a bit

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Speaker 2: of turmoil inside of the Biden White House. We will

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Speaker 2: discuss the continued fallout of what I think could be

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Speaker 2: the most consequential ruling from a court during the COVID era.

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Speaker 2: The Biden administration has appealed the heroic judge a doughty

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Speaker 2: decision from the state of Louisiana. We will continue to

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Speaker 2: discuss that I believe. We are joined by Stanford doctor

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Speaker 2: Botti Charia, whose name I might have gotten wrong there

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Speaker 2: as I am not great nailed it.

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Speaker 3: Good start, good start for the show.

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Speaker 2: He is one of the named individuals who had his

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Speaker 2: opinions restricted and he was outspoken about He's a Stanford professor,

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Speaker 2: the awfulness of the lockdowns and the science that just

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Speaker 2: was used to justify those lockdowns and more. Buck, I've

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Speaker 2: got a fun story that I just popped it out

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Speaker 2: kick that I think a lot of people out there

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Speaker 2: will enjoy. I did a deep dive, and I know

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Speaker 2: for you you will enjoy discussing this a little bit

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Speaker 2: later and we may open up phone lines. The butt

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Speaker 2: Light fallout is consequential, significant, probably the most impactful conservative

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Speaker 2: boycott that we've ever seen that has received substantial media attention.

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Speaker 2: But the NBA. The NBA is the wokest pro sports league.

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Speaker 2: The ratings and viewership for the NBA have actually collapsed

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Speaker 2: as the league has gone increasingly political. No one has

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Speaker 2: really looked at the numbers, Buck, No one has really

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Speaker 2: laid out the story. If you want a deep dive,

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Speaker 2: it's up right now at OutKick. It's four or five

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Speaker 2: thousand words. I spent a lot of time on this.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of data, a lot of analysis from

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Speaker 2: the ratings perspective. I'd encourage people to go check it

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Speaker 2: out because I think that the NBA is actually the

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Speaker 2: first example of a successful conservative boycott. But Buck, no

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Speaker 2: one wanted to tell that story because they don't like

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Speaker 2: the idea in left wing media of conservatives having power

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Speaker 2: when it comes to impacting business. And I think when

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Speaker 2: you look at this it'll be very eye opening. No

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Speaker 2: one has really told the story of the NBA's rating collapse.

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Speaker 2: And I'll give you just one factoid. Well maybe we

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Speaker 2: talked about this in the third Hour, Buck, nineteen ninety eight,

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan versus and the Bulls versus the Utah Jazz,

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Speaker 2: Game six of that NBA Finals series. I'm sorry for

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Speaker 2: people out in Salt Lake City. You got in your car,

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Speaker 2: You're like, Hey, I'm in a good mood, and I'm

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Speaker 2: taking you back twenty five years twenty five years ago

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Speaker 2: some most watched NBA game of all time.

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Speaker 3: Buck.

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Speaker 2: Nothing else has even come close to that Jordan era

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Speaker 2: of the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 3: I watched that game.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I make a lot of self deprecating jokes

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Speaker 4: here about watching the sports ball and all that. But

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Speaker 4: I grew up, as I told you, I went to

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Speaker 4: a lot of NBA games in Madison Square Garden. I

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Speaker 4: was a huge New York Knicks fan. I was part

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Speaker 4: of we were both part of that Michael Jordan era

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Speaker 4: I have not watched an NBA game in a decade.

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Speaker 4: And I kind of adamant about it, refuse to do it.

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Speaker 4: So it's I think in some ways I'm reflective of

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Speaker 4: at least as you're saying now.

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Speaker 3: I thought there are only some of us.

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Speaker 4: Maybe there are a lot of us who have decided

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Speaker 4: that we're not going to deal with that anymore.

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Speaker 2: And I'll give you a couple more fact points, and

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about this in the third hour, because I

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Speaker 2: do want to dive into this cocaine story and what

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Speaker 2: it means. Right, but most watched college basketball women's game

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Speaker 2: people out there who are women's college basketball fans, watch

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark Angel Reees really entertaining women's final in the

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Speaker 2: Men's Tournament twenty twenty three set all time records for viewership.

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Speaker 2: So people like basketball. The NBA has come nowhere near

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Speaker 2: ninety eight. Meanwhile, Super Bowl that just passed Eagles Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of you probably watched that most

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Speaker 2: that case. But let's go back to this, this cocaine situation.

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Speaker 2: I believe we have a couple of audio clips that

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Speaker 2: Here is let's play cut one first. Here's our good

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Speaker 2: friend Correine Jean Pierre, the historic White House Press secretary,

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Speaker 2: dodging questions about cocaine that was found at the White House.

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Speaker 5: So what's preventing a visitor from bringing in anthrax or

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Speaker 5: something that's not magnetic into the White House? Looks I

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Speaker 5: totally understand the question, but it is under investigation.

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Speaker 4: This is the White House support the prosecution of this individual.

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Speaker 4: I'm just not going to get into hypotheticals from here

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Speaker 6: The President being satisfying.

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Speaker 4: But this is a busy room and the fountain cocaine

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: So see what the Secret Service says, right.

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Speaker 5: How determined as the president to get to the bottom,

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Speaker 5: brought people trust lamps.

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Speaker 4: The President thinks this is incredibly important to get to the.

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Speaker 2: Bottom of this Okay, can I tell you what you think?

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Speaker 2: Let's start here, Buck, because everybody's tying this to Hunter Biden. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: what odds would you give this being Hunter Biden's cocaine?

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Speaker 4: I mean less than ten percent, I'd five percent maybe

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Speaker 4: something like that. I'd give someone huge betting odds. This

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Speaker 4: says not Hunter Biden's because it could jeopardize his plea agreement.

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Speaker 4: Yo, so think about that for a moment here. Oh,

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Speaker 4: even all the sweetheart situation that's gone on with the

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Speaker 4: almost certainly in my mind. Now, Look, I get it,

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Speaker 4: it's more fun for people to make Hunter Biden jokes

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Speaker 4: here and everyone's making the same Hunter Biden jokes, But

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Speaker 4: I don't actually believe it this is his cocaine based

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Speaker 4: when I heard, you know, just now, but also before

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Speaker 4: are you gonna get to the bottom of this? I

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Speaker 4: think this is journalists being able to seize on this

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Speaker 4: moment where they're acting like this White House, this is

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Speaker 4: undignified for the Biden White House, and they're trying to

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Speaker 3: Why is this surprising at all?

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Speaker 4: You got a bunch of godless communists running around this

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Speaker 4: Like yeah, one of their employee, I'm sure some left

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Speaker 3: Before fourth of July weekend, I'm gonna bring in my

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Speaker 3: cocaine to you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Like, but they don't want, they don't want the public

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Speaker 4: perception to be Yeah, of course in the Biden White

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Speaker 4: we going to get to the bottom of this right away?

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Speaker 3: You know, sure, we'll see about that.

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Speaker 2: So it doesn't surprise me that a office filled with

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Speaker 2: highly educated twenty somethings, many of who are from positions

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Speaker 2: are very often wealthy, that there would be cocaine in

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Speaker 2: some sort of surrounding environment here. To me, if it

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Speaker 2: a way that things have not blown up to the

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Speaker 2: I agree with you that it would be to me

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Speaker 2: unlikely that they can prove that it's Hunter, or that

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Speaker 2: they wouldn't cover up if it were him. I don't

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Speaker 2: think they can figure out who's cocaine it is, because

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Speaker 2: I do think that question is a good one. Could

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Speaker 2: someone just walk in with anthrax to the White House

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Speaker 2: get it there? I also think buck, if it's such

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Speaker 2: the only thing in my mind that makes me believe

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Speaker 2: it might be someone of some sort of prominence. Because

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Speaker 2: I've been to the White House, You've been to the

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Speaker 2: even remotely bring something that might be flagged as inappropriate

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Speaker 2: to bring into the White House, right, I mean in

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Speaker 2: the same way that I wouldn't want to like I'll

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Speaker 2: give you an example. I don't even want to go

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Speaker 2: my god, this guy's trying to sneak in drugs. You're

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Speaker 2: going through pretty significant security to try to get into

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Speaker 4: You buy it, Yeah, I mean it reminds me of

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Speaker 4: Maybe I'm just a weirdo anxiety. Every time I go

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Speaker 4: I leave you know, my my collapsing knife or something,

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Speaker 4: you know, my folding knife in there. Yeah, in a

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Speaker 4: I've got guns, I've got ammunition. I'm always like, did

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Speaker 4: it's just you have that little voice in the back

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Speaker 4: of your head. I can imagine that's even stronger, especially

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Speaker 4: if you're doing anything illegal in your personal life when

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Speaker 2: You know what happened to me going through TSA the

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Speaker 2: last time I came back, I I you know, I

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Speaker 2: was coming back from a twelve year old Little League

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Speaker 2: baseball tournament right buck. I was in Cooperstown, New York.

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Speaker 2: I drove down to New York City. I had my

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Speaker 2: I mean, they were honest. At LaGuardia Airport, they were like,

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Speaker 2: oh no, no, no, no, you cannot bring a because I've

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Speaker 2: seen people with like lacrosse sticks. I'm in Nashville, so

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Speaker 2: people travel with guitars all the time. The idea that

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Speaker 2: twelve year old wooden little league baseball bat from Cooperstown

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Speaker 2: very low. They sent me back through. I had to

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Speaker 2: this is not a metal bat, this is like a

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Speaker 2: small wooden bat. I had to check them. But to

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Speaker 2: your point, Buck, I was like, oh my god, have

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Speaker 2: I somehow violated a major rule of TSA. So the

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Speaker 2: idea that you would go into a highly secured place

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Speaker 2: with cocaine seems to me to be something that only someone.

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Speaker 4: Of a very privileged background would even think to attempt.

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Speaker 4: And again, if I were President Clay and you were

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Speaker 4: and I would pardon you.

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine if.

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Speaker 2: I got arrested for bringing Little League bats through LaGuardia Airport.

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Speaker 3: So I will break that down. If everybody come ou

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Speaker 4: You know what drives me nuts the people that are

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Speaker 4: We have an important update courtesy of MSNBC on the

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Speaker 4: Who Done It of the Cocaine in the Baggie in

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Speaker 6: Play the big changes where this was found. I was found,

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Speaker 6: by my observation, in a much more secure place, limited

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Speaker 5: There are, in fact, two West Wing entrances.

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Speaker 6: You know that.

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Speaker 2: At the open of the show, we were like, ah,

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Speaker 3: So I just I mean, the number of people that.

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Speaker 4: Well let's see who in the Biden white House was

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Speaker 2: I also think it's the who done it aspect buck.

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Speaker 2: that this was a crime. We know that there was

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Speaker 2: now cocaine found. Frankly, Buck, I'm surprised that they ever

438
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Speaker 2: admitted that they found cocaine. I would think this would

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Speaker 2: be something that they would cover up and handle internally.

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Speaker 2: I think maybe it was because they had to vacate

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Speaker 2: the entire premises because they were concerned that it might

442
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: be that it might be Anthraxe and so then it's

443
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 2: like a terror attack on the White House and then

444
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Speaker 2: it comes out, Oh, maybe it was just cocaine.

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Speaker 3: Buck off the top of the show a couple of

446
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Speaker 3: hours ago. Appreciate everybody's been hanging out with us for

447
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Speaker 3: this long.

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00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: I talked about a story that I popped up on

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00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 2: out Kick, and I would encourage you guys to go

450
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 2: read this. It's long form, it'll take a little bit

451
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Speaker 2: of time. But a lot of attention now coming down

452
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: on bud Light and the idea of this being the

453
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Speaker 2: most successful conservative boycott ever, and certainly the amount of

454
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: collapse in bud Light sales has reflected that many people

455
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: decided to change their beer brand. I actually think though,

456
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 2: the most successful conservative boycott that actually predated bud Light

457
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: was of the NBA, the National Basketball Association.

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Speaker 3: For those of you out there.

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Speaker 2: That might not be big sports fans, the NBA is

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Speaker 2: by far the wokest sports league. And for those of

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Speaker 2: you out there who used to be NBA fans, Americans buying.

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Speaker 3: Large buck they like basketball.

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Speaker 2: This past year, LSU versus Iowa women's basketball game most

464
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Speaker 2: watched women's college basketball game ever. Almost ten million people

465
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Speaker 2: watched the opening rounds of the NCAA Tournament for men

466
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Speaker 2: set all time records. Tons of people love basketball, but

467
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Speaker 2: this is interesting, Buck. The Super Bowl set an all

468
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Speaker 2: time I'm record. Never have more people watched a football

469
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Speaker 2: game in America than when the Eagles and the Chiefs

470
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Speaker 2: played in the Super Bowl in February. Probably huge numbers

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Speaker 2: of you watch that game. The NBA Buck twenty five

472
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Speaker 2: years ago peaked in its audience, and since the NBA

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Speaker 2: has gone woke, the NBA audience has collapsed. In fact,

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Speaker 2: I bet you won't hear this anywhere else. Four of

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Speaker 2: the last five years are the lowest rated NBA finals

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Speaker 2: of the last thirty years. People have massively turned that

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Speaker 2: tuned out. In fact, the twenty twenty NBA Finals lost

478
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Speaker 2: eighty percent of the audience that watched Michael Jordan and

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Speaker 2: the Chicago Bulls play against the Utah Jazz in fact,

480
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Speaker 2: a docu mentory which some of you may have watched

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Speaker 2: on the nineteen ninety eight Chicago Bulls and Michael Jordan

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Speaker 2: had more viewers than the actual NBA Finals with Lebron James.

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Speaker 2: And so I would submit to you, Buck, and all

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Speaker 2: this data is out there, and I've collated it all

485
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Speaker 2: in this long form article. Sports media, because they are

486
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Speaker 2: so left leaning, has not wanted to acknowledge that what

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan said years ago when he was asked why

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Speaker 2: he didn't get political, he said, Republicans by sneakers two.

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Speaker 2: And I would submit to you that Republicans like basketball too,

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Speaker 2: and the NBA has gone so woke that it is

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Speaker 2: alienated basketball fans. And I think that if the media

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Speaker 2: in sports had actually covered this story honestly, bud Light

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Speaker 2: might not have made the choice that it did, because

494
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Speaker 2: they would have recognized that there was a woke backlash

495
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Speaker 2: if you embrace left wing politics and alienate your core supporters.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's interesting, Buck, because even you I

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Speaker 2: sent you the link, even you, who is not a

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Speaker 2: die hard sports fan, you were a fan of the

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Speaker 2: NBA in the nineteen nineties, you enjoyed watching it. That

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00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 2: was when the NBA was at its apex. Other sports

501
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 2: have continued to grow. The NBA peaked twenty five years

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Speaker 2: ago and has actually tanked since.

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Speaker 4: I also think that the athletes, some of them having

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Speaker 4: access to social media, specifically more specifically Twitter. Now we

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00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 4: know what some of these athletes think, for example, about

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Speaker 4: police or about any number of political issues, and that

507
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 4: doesn't sit well with some people when they find out

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Speaker 4: that they or more I mean a common one as well,

509
00:27:54,200 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 4: would be a apparent disdain for America. Don't want to

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Speaker 4: support athletes that feel at least some people don't want

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Speaker 4: to support athletes who feel that way by watching them,

512
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Speaker 4: paying expensive ticket prices and all the rest of it.

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Speaker 4: So nothing with the NBA that you're telling me is

514
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Speaker 4: surprising at all in terms of what I would assume

515
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Speaker 4: would happen based on viewer behavior. But this is definitely

516
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 4: not a story that anyone has talked about because for

517
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 4: a while, you know, when people are saying, go woke,

518
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Speaker 4: get broke, or get broken, get woke.

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Speaker 3: Go you know what I mean, what is it? Go oke,

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Speaker 3: get broke? Yeah, go woke, get broke. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: People say that, and then they said, well, it's not

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Speaker 4: really true. Look at Colin Kaepernick. Okay, well not only

523
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Speaker 4: bud Light, but look at the NBA.

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Speaker 3: Now. Maybe things are changing a bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's uh. I think it's consequential

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00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: for people out there who tuned out. Remember what happened

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. So eighty percent of the NBA Final

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Speaker 2: audience that watched Michael Jordan and the Bulls in nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety eight was gone when Lebron played in the twenty

530
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Speaker 2: twenty finals with the Lakers, and the players removed the

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Speaker 2: names on the back of their jerseys. This is crazy.

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00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: I can't even believe it happened. Instead of their name,

533
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: it said black Lives Matter, say their names respect us.

534
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: They could pick some of these, how many more? I

535
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Speaker 2: can't breathe enough. Say her name, vote Justice, I am

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00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: a man liberation. And they had Black Lives Matter emblazoned

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Speaker 2: on the basketball court and buck you may remember this.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if you recall it. They refuse

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Speaker 2: to play playoff games after Jacob Blake was shot in

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Speaker 2: Wisconsin when the police had been called to protect the

541
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: woman that he was trying to go confront and he

542
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,959
Speaker 2: was armed with a knife and there were no charges

543
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: ever brought in that case because the police shooting was justified.

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00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 2: WNBA players Buck actually wore t shirts with Jacob Blake's

545
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: name on them to stand up in support of a

546
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: man who was abusing a black woman, and the WNBA

547
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: is overwhelmingly made up of black women. They don't want

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00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: this story to get out because they don't want to

549
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: acknowledge the power of many of you to make choices

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00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: in the way that you choose to spend your time

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Speaker 2: and how consequential those choices can be. They are trying

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00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: the media that won't tell you this story. Look, go

553
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: read it. I just lay out all of the data here.

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00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: The media doesn't want this story to be out there

555
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: in the world of sports because.

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Speaker 3: They like left wing politics.

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00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: They are left wing and they don't want to acknowledge

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00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: so many of you out there that are listening to

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00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: us right now, you have a power, and it's significant.

560
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: You choose how you spend your time, you choose how

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Speaker 2: you spend your money, and Buck. One of the conversations

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Speaker 2: that happens on this is people say, oh, well, the

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Speaker 2: bud light is cancel culture.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not. It's the marketplace.

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Speaker 2: If somebody if we said, hey, bud lights should not

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Speaker 2: be allowed to ever be made anymore, that would be

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Speaker 2: cancel culture.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 2: Telling you, hey, spend your money on companies and on

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00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: products that respect you and your values is the very

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Speaker 2: essence of how the marketplace should work. And I would

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00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: submit to you the marketplace worked. And let me give

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Speaker 2: you this last little factoid here that is in this article. Buck,

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Speaker 2: you know the most watched NBA All Star Game of

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Speaker 2: all time? I bet you watched it Salt Lake City.

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00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: I believe it was nineteen ninety three. Twenty two million

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Speaker 2: people watched it. Salt Lake City number one in that marketplace.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate all you listening out here. Hosted the NBA

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Speaker 2: All Star Game this past year. A little over four

580
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Speaker 2: million people watched it. Eighty percent of the audience vanished.

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00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: But Buck, this is significant. It didn't get a lot

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Speaker 2: of attention. Remember when the NBA pulled the All Star

583
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: Game out of Charlotte because of the transgender bathroom bill,

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00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: they relocated it. Adam Silver specifically said, we're not in

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Speaker 2: the business of trying to change laws now. When he

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Speaker 2: was asked why they were playing the All Star Game

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Speaker 2: in Salt Lake City, despite the fact that the state

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00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: of Utah has said you have to play sports in

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Speaker 2: high school against the gender on your birth certificate, and

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Speaker 2: we're not going to allow kids under eighteen to have

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Speaker 2: gender reassignment surgeries. The NBA is trying to do what

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Speaker 2: bud Light did, or as bud Light is doing. They're

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00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: not apologizing for getting everything wrong, but they're changing their

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00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: behavior because of what all of you out there have

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Speaker 2: done to stand up to the choices that they made.

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Speaker 4: You're telling me that Buck and people like me have

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Speaker 4: gotten results. Yes, I think this is consequential. I do

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00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 4: think that many of you out there have had an

599
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 4: impact that the world of sports will not acknowledge. And

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00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 4: sometimes you have to look at the behavior and recognize

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00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 4: that they're changing because the NBA doesn't want to admit

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Speaker 4: this and their allies.

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Speaker 2: In the media don't want to admit this. You won,

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00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: just like you're winning with bud Light. If you spend

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Speaker 2: your money with brands that value you and your values,

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00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: you are changing the way that American companies run their

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Speaker 2: commerce in a good way.

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Speaker 4: You know who probably isn't going to win. Whoever left

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Speaker 4: their cocaine in the west wing of the White House.

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Speaker 4: We have an update on that. That is an elevant

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Speaker 4: transition where it was found where, and this tells us

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Speaker 4: more about who might have left it there. The plot thickens,

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Speaker 1: Stanford and he is one of the individuals named in

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Speaker 1: what I think is perhaps the most consequential case to

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Speaker 1: That is the Judge Dowdy decision that came down on

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Speaker 1: July fourth. And we appreciate you coming on, doctor Badacharia.

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Speaker 1: You've been so right about so much relating to COVID

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Speaker 1: that opinion come down on July fourth?

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Speaker 3: How consequential do you think it is?

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Speaker 2: And do you see it going forward having a substantial

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Speaker 2: impact in terms of the marketplace of ideas and free

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Speaker 7: I was absolutely delighted. I think during the pandemic, I

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Speaker 7: personally have experienced this censorship machine used by the Sabtral government.

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Speaker 7: And it's not just to silence people. Really, the purpose

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Speaker 7: up against it will be seen as like, you know,

656
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 7: wrong or spreading this information when in fact they're not.

657
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 7: And that's the way they they that the Bettal government

658
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 7: did that is they would go to social media companies

659
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 7: this is something we discovered through this lawsuit and tell

660
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 7: them these are the people you need to censor, these

661
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 7: are the ideas you need to misinformation. And I think

662
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 7: that it played a tremendously bad role during the pandemic.

663
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 7: It led to many policies like the school closures, continuing

664
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Speaker 7: long past the time when scientific evidence said they were

665
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 7: really a bad idea. And so we've heard a lot

666
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 7: of kids and a lot of people as a result

667
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 7: of that. And so when Judge Daddy's decision came down,

668
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 7: I just exalted. It's like the American experiment renewing itself.

669
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Speaker 7: It's saying, look the person that it really does mean something.

670
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Speaker 3: Doctor J. Is there any sense in your.

671
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Speaker 4: Mind that the medical establishment as it is as an

672
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 4: exist is that say the CDC and ih NIAD, which

673
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 4: are named in this lawsuit. Are they aware of what

674
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 4: they did in terms of being wrong as well as

675
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 4: suppressing or are they living in a totally delusional state.

676
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 4: I mean, you may have seen The New York Times,

677
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 4: which I know is not one of those organizations but

678
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 4: represents a similar point of view. Criticize the judge in

679
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 4: this case for saying that vaccines don't prevent transmission, as

680
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 4: if holding that obviously true belief is a problem.

681
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 7: They're still in denial, I'm afraid to say. And they're

682
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 7: still you know, giving themselves awards, awarding thisself, like you know,

683
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 7: distinguished professorships, for having gotten anything wrong. I don't think

684
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Speaker 7: that the medical establishment as a whole, well least certainly

685
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 7: not the top leadership of it, or the public health establishment,

686
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 7: has fully understood how wrong headed the policies that had destructive,

687
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 7: the policies that they push during the pandemic actually were.

688
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 7: And I'm really afraid that this will happen again. If

689
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 7: we have another demic, it will happen again. This is

690
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 7: why free speech is so important. We need to be

691
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 7: able to push back against this without without this sort

692
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 7: of thumb of the government, you know, sort of suppressing,

693
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 7: suppressing free conversation, saying okay, this this person is writing

694
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 7: misformation even though they're saying true things. I mean, it's

695
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 7: it's it's shocking. But I am hopeful that now that

696
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 7: we are starting to see some pushback from the from

697
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 7: the courts in this kind of government behavior, that we

698
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 7: can reverse that is right now, It's not I'm not

699
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 7: I don't think we have yet reversed it within the

700
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Speaker 7: leadership of the medical establishment, of the public health establishment.

701
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Speaker 2: Buck and I talk. Thank you for coming on the show,

702
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: doctor Bodicharia. I think it was last year, so not

703
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: this twenty twenty three, but in twenty twenty two the

704
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: entire Stanford Med School graduating class wore masks as a

705
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: part of the graduation ceremony or photographs. I know that

706
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 2: you certainly have been attacked vociferously inside of the Stanford

707
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: community for the opinions that you have shared. When you

708
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: look around the medical establishment and you see things that

709
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: are being said that are scientifically not true. For instance,

710
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: men can get pregnant. Sometimes doctors get the gender of

711
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 2: a baby wrong at birth. You know, if you stay

712
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 2: in six feet from someone, you're not going to get

713
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 2: COVID and they are accepted. Now, how do we get

714
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: back to medicine actually supporting science and supporting the scientific method,

715
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Speaker 2: which requires a rigorous questioning of everything, that's the entire

716
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: purpose of science, as opposed to Fauci saying basically, I

717
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 2: am the science and if you question him on anything,

718
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: you are somehow guilty of purveying misinformation.

719
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Speaker 7: You know. The funny thing is it's actually normal for

720
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 7: the medical establisher to say false things. It's actually normal

721
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 7: for scientists to say false things. Most of what we

722
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 7: say that that's not like solidly already, you know, like

723
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 7: the Earth is round or whatever, that kind of thing.

724
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 7: Most of what we say in science is disputed because

725
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 7: we're studying difficult, complex things. And many times when scientists

726
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 7: land on ridiculous nonsense, what happens is they get corrected

727
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 7: by other scientists. The difference now to spend then between

728
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 7: now and now and maybe you know sometimes back during

729
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 7: my career, is that if you say that another scientist

730
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 7: is wrong and it's politically sort of you're on the

731
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 7: wrong side of things, you are the one that gets canceled.

732
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Speaker 7: I think that the solution is free speech. I think

733
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Speaker 7: that if you have free speech, have this like this

734
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 7: idea that scientists can can say this is not right

735
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Speaker 7: without fear of their careers, without fear that the government

736
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 7: label and when there's misterformation, specteris or whatever, which you'll

737
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 7: get back. Is an honest scientific discussion with the back

738
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 7: and forth where learning happens. Instead. Now what we have

739
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 7: is essentially political science, not actual I mean the feel

740
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 7: of political science science from a politicized science rather than

741
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 7: a on a scientific discussion. When nonsense happens in science,

742
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 7: it happens all the time. People say crazy hypotheses, they're tested,

743
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 7: and then people most people reject them because of the

744
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 7: day to come up the other way. That's what we need.

745
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 7: We need free speech restored within science and that will

746
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 7: be the solution to this. I believe we're.

747
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Speaker 4: Speaking here to doctor j about Acharia of Stanford University

748
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 4: Medical School and doctor Boticharia. I would just wanted your

749
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 4: reaction to this story out today Harvard is Daily Mail.

750
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 4: Harvard and Yale scientists investigate new condition dubbed long vas,

751
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 4: debilitating suite of symptoms linked to COVID shot that last

752
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 4: months and resemble long COVID, but scientists stress it's very rare.

753
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 3: What what you mean?

754
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 4: Are there are there people who are willing to even

755
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 4: look into this honestly? At this point? Is this concerning

756
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 4: to you? Do you feel it's is it feasible that

757
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 4: there could be additional complications even if they are rare,

758
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 4: assuming let's say they are rare, that we may find

759
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 4: from the vaccine for COVID COVID.

760
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Speaker 7: So I saw that paper was actually published in a

761
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 7: reputable journal. It's actually a really good sign that reputable

762
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 7: journals are now open to publishing ideas like this, because

763
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,479
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't have the opinion there was actually

764
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 7: a good idea to vaccinate older people and they'll in

765
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 7: twenty twenty one because the vaccine prevents people from dying

766
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 7: from COVID, and high risk of dying is among old people.

767
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 7: I don't think it was really wise to recommend young

768
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 7: people to get it at scale, but that's open to

769
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 7: scientific discussion, I think. But what happened during the pandemic

770
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 7: was you weren't allowed to say that there were going

771
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 7: to be side effects from the vaccine, even documented side

772
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 7: effects like the high rates of minorhroditism among young men.

773
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 7: If you said it, you were you know, you could

774
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 7: potentially lose your career. I think now that that we

775
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 7: can start, if you can start to have an honest

776
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 7: scientific discussion again, those kinds of side effects. People going

777
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 7: to find them. This is a new technology. There's going

778
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 7: to be some things we'd learned about it. I think

779
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 7: normally what would have happened is we would have we

780
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 7: would have adjusted, we would have said, okay, these these

781
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 7: groups are not recommended to take it. These groups are

782
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 7: recommended to take it, talk with your doctor about it. Instead. Uh,

783
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 7: we were forced to take it, you know, at risk

784
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 7: of losing many people of those risks of losing their jobs.

785
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 7: We were told that there were no side effects. People

786
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 7: who actually had vaccine side effects were gas lit. What

787
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 7: we have had going on was such a travesty of

788
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 7: public health and science. We took a technology that could

789
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 7: have just been used to save lives, and you offered

790
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 7: to the populic with adequate you know, warnings and and

791
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 7: uh and and uh sort of caveats about what we

792
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 7: know and don't know, and people would have taken it

793
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 7: knowing with their eyes fully open or not. Instead, what

794
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 7: we had is, uh, this technology now many many people

795
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 7: don't distrust it and they don't distrust UP, they distrust

796
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 7: other vaccines as well. Public health was thrown away all trust.

797
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah talked about acharia. That comes to this question, are

798
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: you getting people to apologize to you now who might

799
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 2: have attacked you prior and in particular in the medical profession.

800
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 2: We had a friend who came and spoke out against

801
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: kids being forced to wear masks at a public hearing

802
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: where I go.

803
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Speaker 3: To my kids go to school.

804
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: She was reported to her medical board and had to

805
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: defend her ability to keep her medical license for saying

806
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: what is certainly true, which is masks on five and

807
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: six year olds were totally nonsensical. Are people coming to

808
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: you now and saying, hey, I'm sorry or are you

809
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: seeing most people in the medical profession just pretend that

810
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 2: COVID almost didn't happen, and they just want to turn

811
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: the page and forget everything that they were wrong about.

812
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Speaker 7: I'm seeing. I mean, I haven't gotten a ton of

813
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 7: personal apologies. I have seen a lot of people go silent,

814
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 7: and a few people implicitly say you know that they

815
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 7: want they or wrong. I think I'm not so much

816
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 7: worried about like the rank and file. I think that's

817
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 7: the main thing to me is is the leadership that

818
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 7: let us down this path in the medicine and public health.

819
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 7: They're the ones that are doubling down. They're the ones

820
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 7: that are pretending like they did everything right. They're the

821
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 7: ones that give themselves awards. And I don't even care

822
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 7: about the game of getting awards. The key thing to

823
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 7: me is that if we don't reject the path we followed,

824
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 7: these paths of lockdowns, the path of school closures, the

825
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 7: path of censorship, the path of forced forced up, you know,

826
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Speaker 7: mandates and whatnot, it'll happen again because the leadership of

827
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 7: the of the medical profession, leadership of of of public

828
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 7: health won't admit that it was wrong. And uh. That

829
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 7: means that the next generation of the leadership will do

830
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 7: the same thing. We have to explicitly reject it, and

831
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 7: I think it's going to unfortunately take some sort of

832
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,959
Speaker 7: political uh, some sort of political uh uh, a sort

833
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 7: of a sort of change in our politics in order

834
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 7: to get it. Because it turns it's, as we learn

835
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 7: during a pandemic, medicine public health is very very deeply political.

836
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Speaker 4: Doctor Jay Aboutachari with us. His sub stack is the

837
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 4: illusion of consensus Illusionconsensus dot Com to be a subscriber.

838
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Speaker 4: There just one more for you, Dr Batacharia. The for

839
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 4: for you in this lawsuit? What would you see? What

840
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 4: does justice look like? What does a just outcome?

841
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 3: In your mind? And and for you personally? Is there

842
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: anything you know?

843
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 4: Do you want an official apology from the Biden administration?

844
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: Do you want money? What do you seek? Well?

845
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 7: I don't want I don't want money. What I do

846
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 7: I wanted them to stop censoring. I want them to

847
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 7: stop using the muscle of the government to to tell

848
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 7: social media what to censor, who to censor. I would

849
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 7: I would like to have a free conversation restored. Factually,

850
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 7: I'm kind of hopeful in that front. Like the lawsuit

851
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 7: apparently always already had the effect of the State Department

852
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 7: canceling its regular weekly meetings with Facebook because they don't

853
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 7: that The judge basically said they're allowed to have that

854
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 7: contact if the government just sort of obeys the order

855
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 7: as written, I think that's justice enough for me. What

856
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 7: I've seen, though, is the government is appealing this case

857
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 7: already the Fifth Circuit. I don't understand it. I don't

858
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 7: understand how an American government isn't committed to First Amendment.

859
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 7: I don't understand how American government can defend this kind

860
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 7: of censorship activity on the idea that somehow they're suppressing misinformation.

861
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 7: In fact, the Biden administration has been a major source

862
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 7: for misinformation they're using they've been using this power to

863
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 7: protect their own miss up but protect criticism from others

864
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 7: outside from the misinformation that they themselves spread. So it's

865
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Speaker 7: it's it's it's just shocking to me that an American

866
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 7: government do this. I mean, the best form of justice

867
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 7: to me with the Bide administration is just to stop

868
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 7: doing it, stop using their power to censor.

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Speaker 3: Talk about it. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much for being here with us. Appreciates you,

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Speaker 4: and well up on this case as it moves along.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: All right, man, we'll come into somewhere of your calls

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Speaker 4: here and also a lot Clay. We got inundated with

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Speaker 4: VIP emails in the last half hour, so so we'll

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Speaker 4: get to some of those.

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Speaker 3: Two.

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Speaker 4: Famed economist and best selling author Nomi Prince has a

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Speaker 4: warning that we should be paying attention to. She's on

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Speaker 4: record saying that a small group of financial elites are

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Speaker 4: plotting a drastic action unlike anything we've seen in more

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Speaker 4: than fifty years time. The White House, the World Economic Forum,

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Speaker 4: even Bill Gates are all involved. According to Nomi's research,

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Speaker 4: your ability to spend, borrow, save, and invest could soon

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Speaker 4: be restricted with the push of a button. Our financial

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Speaker 4: system is about to be transformed in a way that

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Speaker 4: would have been unrealistic just a few years ago. Gnomi

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Speaker 4: states this could be starting as soon as this month.

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Speaker 4: Bank of America is calling it inevitable. If you've got

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Speaker 4: any money in a US bank account of retirement plan,

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Speaker 4: get all the facts at Disappearing Dollar dot Com. You

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Speaker 4: may not like what Doctor Prince has to say, but

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Speaker 4: you'll be prepared when events take a turn for the worst.

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Speaker 4: The website you want to start looking at again is

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Speaker 4: Disappearing dollar dot Com.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 4: That's Disappearing Dollar dot Com. Go there, now paid for

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Speaker 4: by Rogue Economics.

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Speaker 3: He's Buck Sexton, He's Clay Travels.

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Speaker 1: Together, they're breathing sanity into an insane world.