1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. A thirteen year old little 2 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: girl on her way to school gets kidnapped by strangers, 3 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: taken out to a field, forced in a car, taken 4 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: out to a field a remote and isolated feel beaten 5 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: horribly and sex assaulted with a stick as she's tied 6 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: to a tree and left there completely bloody and bruised 7 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: and trying to make sense of what has just happened 8 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: to her. They leave her there tied to a tree. 9 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: Why I think I know, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 10 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation 11 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: and Serious XEM one eleven and let's kick it off 12 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: with our friends at KFSN. 13 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: It seemed like a normal day Tuesday in this nice 14 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 2: neighborhood in the Academy area. The thirteen year old girl 15 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: got off the bus and walked about a quarter of 16 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: a mile to her home when she was confronted by 17 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: masked men. 18 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 3: She had arrived home in the area of Shepherd and 19 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: Academy when she walked up near her front door. That's 20 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 3: when she had a couple of young men approach her 21 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 3: and said, come. 22 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: With us, the little girl on our way home from school. 23 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: That was mass Awkwards on our way home from school, 24 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: and these people were waiting near her home. These male assailants, 25 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: adult males. Had they been stalking there? Had they had 26 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: they been watching her to know when she would get 27 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: off the bus? 28 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 4: Listen from what we've been able to piece together, the 29 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 4: girl was thrown into the trunk of a car driven 30 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 4: up a windy mountain road for about thirty miles. Then 31 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 4: her captors drug her up this mountain trail and tied 32 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 4: her to a tree, then beat her. Despite all that, 33 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 4: she managed to get herself free and hike to a 34 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 4: nearby house, where the folks who were there said she 35 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 4: appeared bloody and bruised. 36 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 5: She walked up and she was all bloodied up and 37 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 5: said she got kidnapped. And so we went and got 38 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 5: a phone to call nine one one. 39 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: The poor little girl, just thirteen years old, manages to 40 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: struggle loose from the ropes tying her to a tree. 41 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: This child kidnapped after getting off the school bus by 42 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: adult males stuffed in a car driven to a remote field. 43 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: This thing was very well planned, wasn't it. There she 44 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: was beaten, horribly beaten. Can you imagine beating a little 45 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: thirteen year old girl in her face, all across her body, 46 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 1: beating her while she's tied to a tree, and then 47 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: raping this little girl with a stick. You know, grown 48 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: women never get over trauma like this. They go on. 49 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: I've dealt with so many rape victims. They go on. 50 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: They try to raise their children, they try to have 51 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: a normal relationship with their husband, they try to go 52 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: to work, but it never goes away. What about if 53 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: this happens to a little girl. Now, this is something 54 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: no prosecutor is allowed to do with the jury. You 55 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: are never taught you are the law is. You cannot 56 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: put the jarrars in the shoes of the victim, Like 57 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: what if this was you? But think about it, what 58 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: if this was you? Or even worse, what if this 59 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: was your little girl? Just think about it. Praise the Lord. 60 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: This child is alive. This little girl, I'm not her name, 61 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: but what she endured? And now I want to find 62 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: out who, what, where, why and when? Guys? Did you 63 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: notice when you hear all of the news and read 64 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: all the articles about this case, everyone talks about what 65 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: a nice neighborhood it was, that nobody saw that coming, 66 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: you know, with me Ron Bateman for and Arundel County 67 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: Sheriff in Homicide, Undercover Narcotics. You can find now at 68 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: Ronbatemanbooks dot com. Ron. Why is everyone so shocked when 69 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: a crime happens and they quote nice neighborhood? 70 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 6: People just don't realize that bad things happen in nice neighborhoods, 71 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 6: but they do. 72 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: And you know what I found out Ron Ron Bateman 73 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: joining former and Arundeld County sheriff. You know, the richer 74 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: people are, the more wealthy they are, the more miserable 75 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: they are. I don't know if that's everyone's analysis, but 76 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: Deal Carson joining me, high profile lawyer out of the 77 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: Jacksonville jurisdiction, former FBI, former police officer in Miami Dade, 78 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: never a lack of business there, and author of Arrest 79 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: Proof Yourself. You can find them at del Carson Law Dell. 80 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: When people say it's such a nice neighborhood, well, crime 81 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: happens everywhere. I remember trying cases in inner City Atlanta, 82 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: and we would have jurors from all over Fulton County, 83 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: Metropolitan Atlanta, and I'm talking about rich people up from 84 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: North Atlanta that lived by the country club. They would 85 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: come into inner city Atlanta for these trials and they 86 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: were like blown away. Hey, this is just about three 87 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: miles from where you live, people, and it happens in 88 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: your neighborhood too, But everyone always makes such a big 89 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: deal that this was such a beautiful neighborhood and like 90 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: nothing could ever happen there. 91 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 6: Crime is not a respector of persons. And when people 92 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 6: have money, people know this. And that's a driving force 93 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 6: because a lot of people get money in ways that 94 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:09,559 Speaker 6: aggravate other people, so they put themselves unknowingly, unwittingly at risk. 95 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: That's interesting what you just said, guys. I'm talking about 96 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: this little thirteen year old girl that is, and there's 97 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: no doubt that this happened in my mind anyway, this 98 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: little girl getting off the bus, walking to her home 99 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: and as they say, a really nice upscale neighborhood, when 100 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: she is suddenly attacked by unknown assailants. How did that happen? 101 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: They bundle her in a car and wait till you 102 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: hear what kind of car it is, take her off 103 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: to a remote field. How do they know to get 104 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: in that remote field from her house? Where they beat 105 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: the little girl, stripp her, beat her and rape her 106 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: with a stick leaver tied to a tree. Listen to ABC. 107 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 5: Thirty and she was scared. She just wanted to call 108 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 5: her dad, but so we called nine one one. 109 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 2: And how badly hurt were she? 110 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: Her face was all. 111 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 5: Bruised up, and then she said she got punched and 112 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 5: her lips were all bloody. 113 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: The residents of the house on the Cold Springs ranch 114 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: where the girl sought help did not want to be identified. 115 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: They told us the girl told them four men took 116 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: her and threatened to kill her family if she told anybody. 117 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: The suspects are described as four young men of medium 118 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 2: build driving a silver late nineties model BMW. 119 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: A silver BMW, four men who threatened to kill her family. 120 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: M let's take a listen to some more. 121 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: The girl's neighbor was shocked, but so glad the child survived. 122 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 7: A few neighbors and I were actually praying for the 123 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 7: family and just relieved that the story didn't end in 124 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 7: a much more tragic way. 125 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 4: Now the sheriff's apartment is still searching for a motive. 126 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 4: The girl's father is a local business executive. 127 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: Again, neighbors say they were a lovely family. Didn't believe 128 00:07:58,480 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: they would. 129 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: Have had any okay, joining me in all star paneling 130 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: to make sense of what we know right now. In 131 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,119 Speaker 1: addition to Ron Bateman and Del Carson, doctor Jory Crawls, 132 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: and Rachel Fisher, Todd Shipley, and now to Alexis Tereschuk 133 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: climboonline dot Com investigative reporter. Alexis tell me, I want 134 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: to ask specifically about how the child was kidnapped between 135 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: the school bus and home. 136 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 7: So she was the bus drop drop at about three 137 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 7: twenty pm. She walks about a quarter of a mile home. 138 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 7: Here's the thing. She usually walks with her younger sister 139 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 7: from home from the bus to her house. But her 140 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 7: little sister was not feeling well that day, so she 141 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 7: did not go to school. So she was alone, which 142 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 7: is very unusual. This is not her normal pattern. So 143 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 7: she gets off the bus, she walks to the front. 144 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: Door, right, did you say a quarter of a mile? 145 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 7: About a quarter of a mile? 146 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's not far at all. That's max maximum 147 00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: five minutes, maybe four, maybe three exactly. Let's just go 148 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: with five minutes. She's got a five minute walk. You know, 149 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: in elementary school, we would ride the bus to school, Alexis, 150 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: but our home was so close to the public school 151 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: that we would walk home every day. It is one 152 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: mile and we'd be home in eleven twelve minutes we 153 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: were children, skipping, running, walking, we'd get home, I don't know, 154 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: twelve minutes or so. So she can't be over five 155 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: minutes from home. Broad day light, broad day light, upscale neighborhood. 156 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: Where exactly is this? I mean, I know it's Clovis, California, 157 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: But where is Clovis, California. 158 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 7: Clovis, California is basically in the middle of the state 159 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 7: of California. It is about two hundred miles from San Francisco, 160 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 7: about three hundred miles from Los Angeles, in the kind 161 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 7: of the middle of the state. It's a beautiful area 162 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 7: and if you look, you know they've sort of given 163 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 7: the area of where she lives and they called them 164 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 7: the Hills. This is a beautiful neighborhood with homes that 165 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 7: are huge, huge property, swimming pools, three car garages, you know, 166 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 7: two and a half acre lots. So for her to 167 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 7: walk the school bus with two out Baker's I mean, 168 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 7: she might have just walked by two houses just to 169 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 7: get home, just trying to. 170 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: Drink in everything you're saying. Time stories with Nancy gracelsus 171 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: Terreschuk is joining me from this jurisdiction. I'm just imagining 172 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: all that now. I noticed she wanted to call her dad. 173 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: She say call my w one. She didn't say call MO. 174 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: She wanted to call her dad. She lived with her father. Correct, 175 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: her and her sister. She and her sister. 176 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 7: Yes, she is about two years older than her younger 177 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 7: sister and she with her dad. 178 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: Well, what does he do for a living. 179 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 7: He is an executive with a business company and he's 180 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 7: actually he was Swedish. 181 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: Well, he's Swedish or the company is Swedish. 182 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 7: He is Swedish, and their mom is Swedish. But he 183 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 7: lives with the girls in the United said. They are 184 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 7: American citizens. 185 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: Okay, I understand the mom at that time was living 186 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: out of the country, so she's at that moment with 187 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: the dad. The two girls are with daddy. He's Swedish 188 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: and he works with the company that requires him to 189 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: travel a lot. He's a high powered executive. I imagine you'd 190 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: have to be to live in a house like that, right, Yes. 191 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 7: He was very high up in the company and they 192 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 7: lived in a almost a six thousand square foot house, 193 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 7: five bedrooms, four bathrooms, a beautiful area here. 194 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: And you know another thing about this is a very 195 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: small population for that area of land. There's about one 196 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: hundred thousand people there. Interesting, interesting, Del Carson. When you 197 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: have so few people spread one hundred thousand people spread 198 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: out out of a huge area, you would expect a 199 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: lower crime rate, and certainly not a violent crime like 200 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: this on a thirteen year old little girl. 201 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 6: Well, it's evident they had a plan and they knew 202 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 6: a lot of information. 203 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: It does seem well planned to me, Del Carson. I 204 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: agree with you because in this big, sprawling area where 205 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: a lot's two and a half acres and she's, as 206 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: Alexis said, probably like two houses from the bus stop, 207 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: what were they watching the butt stop? How did they 208 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: know one little girl was going to get off by herself? 209 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: Or was the plan like libbyan abbey in Delphi, to 210 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: two little girls? But that's really rare, wouldn't you agree, 211 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: Ron Bateman, for two little girls to be attacked that 212 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: it does it's usually one victim. Wouldn't you agree with that? 213 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 6: Yes? I would? 214 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: So what led up to this little girl getting kidnapped 215 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: and raped and beaten, managing to break away from being 216 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: tied to a tree and get to a neighbor's home, 217 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: just literally dripping in blood on her face, her torso, 218 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: her legs were dripping in blood. Yet blood all over 219 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: her beaten scratched. As a matter of fact, we have 220 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: a description of the little girl's external injuries. Take a 221 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: listen to Kfson. She had readness and scratch marks. 222 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: On her back. 223 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 8: Dozens of photos showed scratching on the then thirteen year 224 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 8: old's face and back. Other photos too explicit for Action 225 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 8: News to share, suggested she was bleeding near her legs. 226 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: Think about what this child has been through. Joining me. 227 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: Rachel Fisher, forensic nurse expert, a saying sex assault nurse examiner, 228 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: also expert witness, private investigator with Forensic Nursing Consulting and 229 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: Education LC. You can find her at Legal are In 230 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: consult dot org. Rachel. That is a textbook description of 231 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: a child rape victim. 232 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 9: Unfortunately it is and that when a child comes to 233 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 9: the hospitals or something like this. You just heard them 234 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 9: talk about photos. We have to have them tell us 235 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 9: every bit of what happened and then ask them to 236 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 9: get undressed so we can photograph all these things that 237 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 9: just happen and look all over their body and re 238 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 9: exploit them and what it feels like. 239 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: It does feel like that to them, it does. It's horrible. 240 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: I've spoken to so many rape victims who can't adult 241 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: rape victims who can articulate the rape kn't exam It's 242 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: awful to have to endure and you're there at such 243 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: a horrible, probably the worst moment in your life, and 244 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: then to go through that. That's what this little girl 245 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: obviously had. 246 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 10: To go through. 247 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: But I want to circle back to what made this 248 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: day any different from every other day? Take a list. 249 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 11: At ABC thirty, the victim's younger sister was asked about 250 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 11: the morning of the crime. She said her father was 251 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 11: out of town for work that morning, and she remembers 252 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 11: her sister being unable to find her cell phone before 253 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 11: leaving for school. 254 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 12: I felt like the home dynamic got worse when he 255 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 12: was gone. I think she was stressed because she was 256 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 12: going to school and she couldn't find her phone. 257 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: Joining me right now, Doctor Jury Crawls in psychologist's former 258 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: law enforcement now faculty at Saint Leo University and consultant 259 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: with the Blue Wall Institute. You can find him a 260 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: doctor jury dot com and he's the author of Operation SOS. 261 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: Doctor Jury. Thanks for being with us, doctor Jury. You know, 262 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: when the twins were little, and they would be horrible 263 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: little creatures, they would get time out. A spanking didn't work. 264 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: I spanked Lucy twice through her big fat diaper and 265 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: she just looked at me like that was it. So 266 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: spankings do not work. I do time out. That would work, 267 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: but now it doesn't work. Time out means nothing. They 268 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: love being in their room by theirselves. What does work 269 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: is if you take away their phone. All my stars, 270 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: even for thirty minutes, it's like all hl broke loose. 271 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: So here's the little girl trying to go to school, 272 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: and my twins when I take them to school, they've 273 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: got their backpack. Of course, Lucy takes her own organic lunch. 274 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: She has her lunch, and they have their phones. They 275 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: don't go anywhere without their phones. I mean, really, does 276 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: anybody on this panel go anywhere without their phone. No, 277 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: So the little girl was upset because this day, of 278 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: all other days, she couldn't find her phone. Explain the attachment, 279 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: doctor Jory. 280 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 13: The phone is like a self identity we connect to 281 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 13: and especially with her, you see there's a close relationship 282 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 13: with their father in that phone. Was that contact with 283 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 13: her father at any time? I would imagine it would 284 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 13: kind of give her some self confidence and as a security, 285 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 13: being able to any time during the day in school 286 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 13: to reach out to her father because she traveled a lot, 287 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 13: but it appeared like they were very close and they 288 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 13: kept in close contact with that phone, So not being 289 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 13: able to locate it before she went to school would 290 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 13: definitely be a very stressful situation and create a lot 291 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 13: of anxiety in her and probably disrupted a lot of 292 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 13: her daily planning. 293 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: You know what I was thinking about. I was thinking 294 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: about how teens or she just thirteen years old, had 295 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: just turned thirteen. I might add, they love to be 296 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: in touch with their friends. They love to look at TikTok. 297 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: They they're into snapping each other. But what you just 298 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: said really hit home, Doctor Jory. With the father, the 299 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: mother lives out of the country at that time, she did, 300 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: and the father had to travel a lot. The two 301 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: little girls or US citizens, they were born here. That's 302 00:17:54,640 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: her only contact with her parents that she can call, 303 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: and he's out of town. I didn't think about it 304 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: that way. You're right, So she was very upset that 305 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: morning because she couldn't find her. 306 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,479 Speaker 13: Phone, And a lot of with the phone is you know, 307 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 13: we'd use it for calls, but a lot of with 308 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 13: the kids. And I do this with my grandchildren when 309 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 13: I travel. This just send them text messages, you know, 310 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 13: or send them you know, you can chat with them 311 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 13: real quick, and that kind of that contact, you know, 312 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 13: is very supportive and very secure feeling for the child. 313 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: You know, the way that you said that, I hate 314 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: to travel away from the twins, but if they before 315 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: they were born, I mean I would go and stay 316 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: for three four months. I remember I was a Scott 317 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: Peterson troll. Think four months, I can't remember now, and 318 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: that was just fine. But now I hate being gone 319 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: even one night, and we FaceTime and we text the 320 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: whole shebang. You know, I'm accused of calling every night 321 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: during dinner, during supper, but so be it. I'm just 322 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: thinking about the connection she had with her dad, plus 323 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: the teen identity of your phone. So that morning she's upset. 324 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: The sister says she was upset. The dynamic was worse 325 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: when the dad was gone. But what does the little 326 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: girl herself say? 327 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 14: Listen, they took yellow rope and taped my arms by 328 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 14: my back, and then they walked me to the driveway 329 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 14: by our guesthouse and shoved me in the trunk. 330 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 8: As his daughter walked home from the school bus stop, 331 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 8: men approached her. 332 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 14: They were wearing all black and masks so I couldn't 333 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 14: see their faces. They took tape, very thin tape, like 334 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 14: kind of scrap booking tape, and put it around my lips. 335 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 6: And my eyes. 336 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: Let's examine what we have just learned from the little 337 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: girl herself. They the kidnappers. The rapist took yellow rope 338 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: and taped my arms behind my back. They walked me 339 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: to the driveway by our guest house and shoved me 340 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: in the trunk by the guest house. Weren't they afraid 341 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: somebody in the house may see what was happening right outside? 342 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: Shoved her in the trunk of a BMW, a silver BMW. 343 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: They had masks on, and they were all dressed up 344 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: ninja style, all black. In the middle of the day. 345 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: It's three twenty. She's coming home from school, and they 346 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: had thin tape to put over her lips and eyes. Okay, 347 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: let's think this thing through. Dale Carson, You're right, this 348 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: was orchestrated and this was prepared. They're dressed like ninjas. 349 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: Remember when Jody Arias said I didn't kill Travis. Three 350 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: guys dressed as ninjas came in, Right, somebody's been watching 351 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: way too much TV. These guys dressed like ninjas. They're 352 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: wearing masks. They brought yellow rope and tape with them. 353 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 6: The first investigative clue that they were masked. That tells 354 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 6: you something about the character of the relationship between the 355 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 6: abductors and the child. 356 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: What what does it tell me that they're known known 357 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 1: or yes, known, don't want to be identified, don't want 358 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: their face to appear on camera. Don't you see all 359 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 1: those people running in and out of Nordstroms and all 360 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: those high priced Lululemon, you name it. They all are 361 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: wearing hoodies or their COVID masks so they don't get identified. 362 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: And I guarantee that Clark doesn't know those people. But 363 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: that said, you may be right, maybe she could identify them. 364 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: Maybe they just didn't want to be caught on surveillance 365 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 1: cameras around that five bedroom However, many bath home on 366 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: a two and a half acre plot. 367 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 6: What you say is true, though, if anybody else were 368 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 6: in the house. It's odd that they didn't. They didn't know. 369 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 6: How could they know nobody else was in the house. 370 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 6: How's that possible? 371 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: So Alexis tout. What Tail Carson and I are talking 372 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: about is the fact that they're doing this basically in 373 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: the front yard. They're getting her on her walk from 374 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: the school bus stop to her home, which we think 375 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: is about three minutes. You walk past two of these big, 376 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: huge mansions, you get to her home, and then they 377 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: take her beside her home. They have to go buy 378 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: the home to get to the guest house in the 379 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: back I guess by a pool, and there they bundled 380 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: her into a silver BMW and Jova. They weren't worried 381 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: that somebody in the house might see her, or did 382 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: they know the father was out of town. Had they 383 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: been watching the home, would anyone else have been there? 384 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 7: Alexis normally her little sister would have been there with her, 385 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 7: but she first of all, she always had her phone, 386 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 7: she could not find it that day missing, and then 387 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 7: her sister, formerly goes to school, was not fealing well 388 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 7: that day. So what happened was her dad has a 389 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 7: girlfriend who is living with the family, and the girlfriend 390 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 7: took the little sister called her dad and said, Daddy, 391 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 7: I don't feel well. I don't want to go to 392 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 7: school today. He said, okay, stayed home. The girlfriend made 393 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 7: the little sister go with her to her own doctor's appointment. 394 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: Okay, wait, so there's a girlfriend in the house. There's 395 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: a living girlfriend. 396 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 7: There is daddy has a girlfriend. 397 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: Okay, daddy's got a girlfriend. She's living in the house. 398 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: And that morning when the thirteen year old victim lost 399 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: her phone, the sister, the little sister didn't feel well, 400 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: but the girlfriend wouldn't let the little sister stay home 401 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: alone and had the little sister go with girlfriend to 402 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: girlfriend's doctor's appointment. Is that right? 403 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 7: That's exactly right? 404 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: Okay, but how did the assailants think that no one 405 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: would be in the home looking out at them going 406 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 1: by with this little girl and their mask on and 407 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: their ninja suits. Who's the girlfriend? Let's STAYBC thirty. 408 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 15: Sandra Garcia lived the good life when she dated a wealthy, 409 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 15: Sweatyddish businessman. 410 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 8: Johann gets It was in a relationship with Sandra Garcia. 411 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 8: The two met online, and Garcia eventually moved in to 412 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 8: get Set's Clovis home with two of her sons. 413 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 15: She and her four boys moved into the boyfriend's Clovis home, 414 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 15: but as a number of people in the home, groom 415 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 15: sort of the tension. The man asked Garcia to move out, 416 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 15: and that's when she started plotting how to stay. She 417 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 15: tried and failed to set him up for a dui 418 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 15: and a falsely accused him of domestic violence. 419 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 14: Yes, I asked her to move out in January of 420 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 14: twenty sixteen, correct, in. 421 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 10: The eight of thirty days, right, yes. 422 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 8: Weeks later, that tension came to a head when Getzet 423 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 8: was away on a business trip. 424 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: Okay, I've got to digest everything that I just heard. 425 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: So he's got a live in girlfriend and she has 426 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: somehow ended in a pot of honey with this wealthy 427 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: Swedish business exec who lives with his two little girls. 428 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: The wife's side of the picture. So like's a treasure. 429 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: Let me understand this. She lands in a pot of honey. 430 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: She moves in with this wealthy Swedish businessman who lives 431 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: along with his two girls, and she brings along her 432 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: two sons. Now they're in their early twenties. 433 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 7: Right, yes they are. 434 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: I wonder how that messed with the two girls. Well, 435 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 1: it didn't mesh because there was too much tension, and ultimately, 436 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: after a period of time, the dad says, you got 437 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: to go. You and your family are not getting along 438 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: with my two little girls. Now, what did I hear 439 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: that she tried to make to frame him for a 440 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: DUI or a false domestic violence report. 441 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 7: Yes, that is what he has said. He said that 442 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 7: this relationship had gone so badly he wanted her out, 443 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 7: and instead of just moving, she came up with these 444 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 7: crazy plans. She tried to save the DUI. She falsely 445 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 7: claimed that he had abused her a domestic abuse situation 446 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 7: since she was his living girlfriend, none of which which 447 00:25:59,480 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 7: was true. 448 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: You know, I need to go to our shrink doctor, 449 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: Joey crawlsin. When somebody tells you to move out of 450 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: their home, I would move out. I wouldn't want to 451 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: be there. But instead, according to reports, she tries to 452 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: hatch up a fake domestic violence report and a duy. 453 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: How is that helping her? 454 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 13: Well, it's trying to establish more control over that environment 455 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 13: and over him. She must have seen where you know, 456 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 13: passed things like you through you know, a sexual activity 457 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 13: with him. Isn't kind of controlling him and getting what 458 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:36,719 Speaker 13: she wants. She probably looked at and saw the dynamics 459 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 13: of the family and how close he was to his daughters, 460 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 13: and that was a point of conflict with her and 461 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 13: her older sons. I mean, like say, they were in 462 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 13: their twenties, so I could see the conflict rising in 463 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 13: that environment, and the father just putting his foot down saying, look, 464 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 13: you gotta go. 465 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: No Carson jump in. 466 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, what she saw in the house while she was 467 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 6: there rummaging around his bank statement. 468 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: Deal, Carson, I believe you're right. And I'm also wondering 469 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: why that day, of all days, did the little girl's 470 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 1: cell phone go missing, obviously in my mind, so she 471 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: couldn't be tracked. As detectives try their best to unravel 472 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: what happened to this little girl, the plot has thickened. 473 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: Take a listen to k FSN. 474 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 12: Towards like the end of twenty fifteen. He felt like, 475 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 12: we weren't really happy in the relationship that they were having, 476 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 12: so that's why it ended. Were you unhappy with the 477 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 12: relationship that they were having at the end of. 478 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 11: Twenty fifteen, yes, prosecutor say Garcia orchestrated the kidnapping after 479 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 11: Johann gets set evicted her from his clothes home. 480 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: So let me understand this. The detective's theory is that 481 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: the living girlfriend plotted the attack on a thirteen year 482 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: old little girl just turned thirteen. How was that supposed 483 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: to help her and her relationship with the wealthy father. 484 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: I don't understand this, but I can tell you one 485 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: thing I believe very firmly. Todd Shipley is going to 486 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: help me figure it out. Todd G. Shipley, Certified fraud Examiner, 487 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: author of Investigating Internet Crimes and Introduction to Solving Crimes 488 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: in Cyberspace. You can find them at Darkintel dot info. 489 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: Todd Shipley. The cell phones and the nav data and 490 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: the car navigation data and more surveillance video, these burglar 491 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: systems and various homes they would have been driving, by 492 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: redlight cams, you name it. All of that digital memory 493 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: is going to be used to prove this case. And 494 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: who did it? Explain? 495 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 10: Well? I think, as you already stated, there's so much 496 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 10: digital evidence in this that it's going to be hard 497 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 10: for anybody to say that they weren't parts of the crime. 498 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 10: I know we've already mentioned the girlfriend, her phone, is 499 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 10: going to be critical in this is it's going to 500 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 10: show her part of the conspiracy and what she did 501 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 10: to set it up in the contact with the other 502 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 10: people involved, their sons, and you know, there's so much 503 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 10: data it's going to be showing where their phones went to, 504 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 10: the sons, tracking right to the location that the crime occurred. 505 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 10: And that's probably why the phone was missing. And I 506 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 10: don't haven't seen his entered as evidence yet, but the 507 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 10: mother probably took the phone, so the girl didn't have 508 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 10: her phone, so she couldn't be tracked. And because the 509 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 10: phones today have so much data about what we do 510 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 10: and where we go, that it's hard not to show 511 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 10: in court exactly what a person does from minute to 512 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 10: minute using that information. 513 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: This is daddy's living, not the girl's mother. But you're 514 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: absolutely correct. I think that is why the little girl's 515 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: phone went missing that morning, and why the little girl, 516 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: no matter how hard she tried, she retracing her steps, 517 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: getting agitated, getting upset. Her one way to connect with 518 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: her father is gone. Before she went to school that morning. 519 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: I can tell you both of my children know exactly 520 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: where their phone is overnight. So she wakes up in 521 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: the morning and the phone's gone, probably charging near her 522 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: bed somewhere. Of course, any adult would smell a rap 523 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: with this little girl just didn't know what to think. 524 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: And that's exactly why what todd Shipley has just told you. 525 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: And let me ask you this, todd Shipley, how does 526 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: a NAV system and a cart work? 527 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 10: Well, the vehicles systems are just like your phones, and 528 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 10: so it's basically the same kind of set up. A 529 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 10: lot of them are Android based systems, so the data 530 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 10: that's in there is going to be the same as 531 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 10: that's on your phone. It's a little more difficult to 532 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 10: get to, but still is accessible and can track a 533 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 10: person exactly the same way that your phone can. The 534 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 10: problem with the NAV system is I can leave the 535 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 10: phone at home and it won't track me. The NAB 536 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 10: system's on and you don't have any control over what 537 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 10: it collects. And that's the problem that they're going to 538 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 10: have with his data is they had no control. They 539 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 10: can't turn it off. 540 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: Speaking of leaving a digital trail a mile wide, take 541 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: osten our friend coryin Hoggard at k f. 542 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 16: CEN detective have connected the dots now in a troubling 543 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 16: kidnapping the shriff says the mastermind was no stranger to 544 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 16: the young victim or her family. Deputy's arrested forty year 545 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 16: old Sandra Garcia on charges of conspiracy to commit kidnapping. 546 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 16: They believe she is the alleged ringleader who orchestrated the crime. 547 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 15: They say Garcia revealed her final plan in recorded phone 548 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 15: call with her cousin Miguel Carriedo. She asked him if 549 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 15: he knew corrupted people told Carriedo there's no security at 550 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 15: the house, and directed him and friends to kidnap her 551 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 15: boyfriend's thirteen year old daughter on a day when Garcia 552 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 15: scheduled a doctor's appointment for herself. 553 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 12: It's pretty revealing that this case had been pre planned, 554 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 12: had been worked out where this Garcia would have an alibi. 555 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 17: He's a business executive who happened to be out of 556 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 17: town the day of the kidnapping. Sandra was one of 557 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 17: the very few who knew. I was out of town 558 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 17: with a coworker for that day, and I noticed after 559 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 17: the detective spoke to her, she was uncomfortable around my daughter. 560 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: Uncomfortable around the daughter. I guess she was. If these 561 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: claims are true, she just set up the daughter being kidnapped, raped, 562 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: beaten til she was bloody, blood all over her legs. 563 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: I guess she was uncomfortable around not only the sister, 564 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: but the little girl herself. Time stories with Nancy Grace 565 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: that I hear Alexis Tereschuk that there was a recorded 566 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,239 Speaker 1: phone call with a girlfriend's cousin Miguil, asking him if 567 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: he knew quote corrupted people and telling Coarto Miguil Cardo 568 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: that there was no security in the home and directed 569 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: his friends to kidnap the teen girl on a day 570 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: when the when when the dad was out of town 571 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: and she would make a doctor's appointment for herself. She 572 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: didn't count on the little sister feeling ill that day 573 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: and having to take the sister with her to the doctor. 574 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: But she managed to iron that wrinkle out, didn't she? 575 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: She did. 576 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 7: She took a little girl to appointment. Here's the thing, though, 577 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 7: they get home from the doctor's aployment, the sister is 578 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 7: not home from school and her little sister is panning. 579 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 7: She says, where's my sister. We can't find her anywhere. 580 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 7: The girlfriend is not looking for her. She's not worried. 581 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 10: She came. 582 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 7: She's sitting on the sofa on her own phone, completely 583 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 7: ignoring the situation. So the little sister knew two things. 584 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 7: One my sister is missing, and two, my dad's girlfriend 585 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 7: is not worried about her at all, and that was 586 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 7: very concerning to her. She knew right away, eleven years old, 587 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 7: she knew right away that this lady was that something 588 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 7: was really wrong with the way that she was handling 589 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 7: the whole situation. 590 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: So what to say, eleven year old little sister say 591 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: about how the girlfriend was acting when the thirteen year 592 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: old I don't want to use their names, when the 593 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: thirteen year old was missing. 594 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 7: She said she didn't seem concerned at all. She wasn't 595 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 7: looking for her. She didn't look anywhere in the house. Again, 596 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 7: the house is big, there's the main house, there's the 597 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 7: guest house that she used property. She wasn't looking anywhere 598 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 7: for her. She wasn't making any phone calls, she wasn't 599 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 7: doing anything. She was just sitting on the sofa, playing 600 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 7: on her own phone. 601 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: From my understanding, the girlfriend the living was just sitting 602 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: on the sofa while the eleven year old little sister 603 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: was getting more and more frantic about her sister never 604 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 1: coming home from school. The motive that we have gleaned 605 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: is that the girlfriend Garcia, wanted the dad all to herself. 606 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: She wanted all that money, and she wanted to scare 607 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: the two daughters eleven at that time, ten ten and 608 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: thirteen so severely that they would want to return to 609 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: their mother, who's living in Sweden. That was the plan 610 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: to scare the little girls so badly they would go 611 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: home to Sweden with their mom, and the girlfriend could 612 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: have the dad all to herself. Doctor Joy Crasen, This 613 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 1: sounds like the evil stepmother for real. 614 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 13: Yeah, think about how simplistic that plan appeared to her. 615 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 13: I mean, we'll just scare her because the girl, the victim, 616 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 13: was told don't tell anybody, or we'll come back on 617 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 13: your family. So thinking that she would just go back 618 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 13: and you know, maybe contact her mother. Now, think about 619 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 13: a mother learning about her daughter being taken away like that, 620 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 13: she would jump in and say you're coming home. So 621 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 13: that's the simple plan that this living girl friend seemed 622 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 13: to have orchestrated. 623 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: Let me tell you what I've learned. After the girlfriend 624 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: to live in gets home with the little ten year 625 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: old sister, the sister realizes it's after four o'clock that 626 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: the thirteen year old isn't home. The little one starts 627 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: calling all of her older sister's friends trying to find 628 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 1: out what happened to her. She talks to the girlfriend 629 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: trying to get help. The girlfriend says, Oh, she'll be 630 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: home soon, don't worry about it. The little ten year 631 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: old girl says the girlfriend was quote really calm and 632 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 1: acted like nothing was wrong, and that it made the 633 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: little sister quote sick to my stomach. When asked what 634 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: the girlfriend was doing during all this, was she doing 635 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: anything to find the little girl, the sister says, no, 636 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: she was just sitting on the couch talking on her 637 00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: phone like nothing was wrong. He is probably talking to 638 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: the kidnappers that she orchestrated to kidnap, beat and rpe 639 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: a thirteen year old little girl. Okay, guys, yeah, take 640 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at ABC thirty. 641 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 17: Our restraining order just granted describes the relationship between Garcia 642 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 17: and her now ex boyfriend. He wrote, our backgrounds were 643 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 17: different and there were difficulties at times, and I thought 644 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 17: it was best for Sandra to move out after he 645 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 17: gave her a date to leave. His daughter was kidnapped 646 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 17: in a movie type plot. 647 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: Investigators say the. 648 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,879 Speaker 17: Thirteen year old stepped off her school bus last month 649 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 17: to find the suspects were waiting at her doorstep. Sheriff 650 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 17: Mim says the girl was forced into the trunk of 651 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 17: the car and driven to a remote location where she 652 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 17: was tied up, beaten, and kicked. 653 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: Am Or and Our cut twenty two from Corn Haggard. 654 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,479 Speaker 15: The school bus dropped off a thirteen year old girl 655 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,720 Speaker 15: at her home north of Clovis in February. The girl's 656 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 15: dad wasn't home, but four masked men were waiting for 657 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 15: They put her on trunk of a car, took her 658 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 15: to a remote field, stripped her, feed her and left 659 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 15: her alone to Investigators revealed the plan was hatched about 660 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 15: a week earlier. Garcia and the girl's father were dating, 661 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 15: but on the outs. Garcia thought the kidnapping could bring 662 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 15: them closer together and keep her in the lifestyle she'd 663 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 15: been living. 664 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: Bring them closer together. 665 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 15: Here's more, Garcia enlisted the help of her cousin and 666 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 15: her son to try to put a scare into that 667 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 15: thirteen year old girl and get her sent away from Fresno. 668 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 15: In her father's home, they used aps to try to 669 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 15: cover up their footsteps electronically, but they still left the 670 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 15: trail and investigators followed it. She asked her cousin and 671 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 15: her son for help. Ins said it'd be easy because 672 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 15: the home had no security. Investigators say Garcia used a 673 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 15: burner rap when she discussed the plot, trying to communicate 674 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 15: on her phone in secret, but detectives traced all the 675 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 15: calls and once they connected her to Cariato, they realized 676 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,359 Speaker 15: he owned a car matching the one used by the kidnappers. 677 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: Taji Shipley. Using the burner phone app did anything but 678 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: help her. That can be trice explain. What is a 679 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,240 Speaker 1: burner phone app. 680 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 10: There's the ability on your phones to download another application 681 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 10: that gives you a second number on your phone, or 682 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 10: more numbers. And she thought that that was going to 683 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 10: prevent the police from identified who she was. But the 684 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 10: app is registered to your phone, and you register almost 685 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 10: always with the email address or some other identifying information 686 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 10: to that app, and so it was easily traced back 687 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 10: to her. It didn't protect her at all. 688 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: You're so right about that. Take a listen now to 689 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 1: more of the facts we are learning. 690 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 15: The indictment says Garcia hid the girl's phone that day. 691 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 15: It says one of her sons, Mark Anthony Roque, laden 692 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 15: wait with Carto inside the home until the girl got 693 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 15: back from school. Court documents claim they grabbed her, taped 694 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 15: her face and eyes, threw her in the char and 695 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,839 Speaker 15: took her to a remote field twenty miles away. They 696 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 15: ripped her clothes, sexually assaulted her with an object, and 697 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 15: left her partially naked and tied to a pole. 698 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:15,399 Speaker 1: I think about them raping this little girl, they said, 699 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,280 Speaker 1: with an object. We know it to be a stick 700 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 1: because the girlfriend, one of the dad all to herself. Guys, 701 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut tea. 702 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 11: In ABC, much of the testimony Monday morning focused on 703 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,240 Speaker 11: cell phones, starting with one Garcia's phone was taken as evidence. 704 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,279 Speaker 12: She was not happy, raising her voice demanding her phone back, 705 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 12: and ultimately she ended up storming out of the front 706 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 12: doors of the lobby. 707 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 11: A digital forensic expert spoke directly to the jury at 708 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 11: times to explain what investigators do when they pull data 709 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 11: from a. 710 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 18: Phone to re investigating the text message or phone numbers 711 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 18: a person call. So we go through and we look 712 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 18: for those that data or that evidence, and then once 713 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 18: we find that evidence, we're looking for we can extract 714 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 18: a tweet report. 715 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: When you hear the reporter talking about someone storming out, 716 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: that was the defendant, Garcia, the girlfriend. She was angry 717 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,359 Speaker 1: when police wanted to look at her phone. And now 718 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: we know why this is happening right now in a courtroom. 719 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: And if this woman and her cohorts are convicted, they 720 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,479 Speaker 1: just bought a one way ticket to hell. We wait 721 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 1: as justice unfolds. Goodbye friend,