1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan in this episode number two and 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: sixty two, and today we're beginning a two week series 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: of reflection on the two eighteen hunting season, and today 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: it starts with Dan and I over analyzing our past year, 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: the mistakes made and the lessons learned. All right, welcome 9 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: to the first episode of the Wired Hunt podcast, brought 10 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: to you by Onyx in the year two thousand nineteen. 11 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: And as we do typically at the end of each season, 12 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: me and and are back together for our postseason review, 13 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: kind of auditing the past hunting season, talking through what happened, 14 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: what we learned, what we screwed up with, what we 15 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: want to do different, uh, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. That's kind 16 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: of what I want to do here today, Dan, So 17 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: I guess number one. Are you up for that? I'm down, dude, 18 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm ready. Number two. Then, before we get to get 19 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 1: to how we're the holidays, do you have at least 20 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: one Dan Johnson family disaster story that you can share 21 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: I feel like it wouldn't be a podcast without one 22 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: of those. These these days, disasters are every day. I mean, 23 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: just like the kids and their attitudes. And my youngest 24 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: he's like he's been walking for a while now, but 25 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: now he can, like he can chew gum and walk 26 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: to you know what I mean. So not only can 27 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: he walk, but he can climb and he can start 28 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: pulling the the safety guards out of the electrical outlets, 29 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: and he can like get up on end tables and 30 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: try to pull the TV cord out and all this stuff. 31 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: And it's just it's almost like you need to have 32 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: a little room, a padded area just to put him 33 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: in because he's, I don't know, he's like a mouse. 34 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: He can get into anything. Oh man, I'm I'm learning 35 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: about that now too. It's a whole new world. So 36 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: can knocks walk yet? Oh yeah, yeah, So that's that's 37 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: what word. We're right on the precipice of that. Everett 38 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: is standing now and he can take a couple of steps. 39 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: He just took his actually he took his very first 40 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: steps this morning. So that was pretty exciting. Yeah. So 41 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: he took like two steps and then fell, But it 42 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: was very cool. Um, but he's definitely climbing up on everything, 43 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: like you said, trying to pull out plugs, trying to 44 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: yank down things. I mean, it's just got us thinking like, 45 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: how in the world can we handle two kids, let 46 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: alone three? Right, I'll tell you what. It's crazy because 47 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: from the moment they're born, there's all these these goals 48 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 1: in life or the these steps in childhood development, and 49 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, man, I can't wait till they start walking. 50 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: They're gonna be so much fun. And then when they 51 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: start walking, all you want to do is just have 52 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: them not walk anymore and just like sit down. And 53 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: then you're like, okay, cool, Now they can start talking. 54 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: But when they start talking, they don't stop talking. This 55 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: is no This is no joke. This is not a joke. 56 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: We were in a car over the holidays for a 57 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: period of time that was two straight hours. My daughter 58 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: talked from the time we pulled out of my driveway 59 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: to the time we pulled into the driveway of where 60 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: we were going. She was talking the entire time. I 61 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: thought she was gonna black out from oxygen deprivation. And 62 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: was anyone talking back to her? It was it just 63 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: her stream of conscious to herself. This is how it goes. 64 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: You have to talk back to it because if you don't, 65 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: you or you have to talk back to her. Dad. Dad, Dad, Dad? Dad? 66 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: What a dad? Uh? I saw a coward there? What 67 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: What do you think that cow's name is? Uh? But 68 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: I don't know? Okay, okay Dad, okay, hey Dad? Did 69 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: you know that on the bus yesterday? Um? This boy 70 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: he said a bad word? Oh that's not very good? Dad? 71 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: What dad? Dad's like? Now? Times that by two whole 72 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: two whole hours? Oh? Man, Yeah, I love him. I 73 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: love him. I and I bitch about the kids a 74 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: lot right on this podcast, but I tell you I 75 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: love them to death. They're very there there. I love 76 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: him so much. But man, being a parent is is 77 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: a pretty hard thing. I'm not gonna lie. It's work. Yeah, 78 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: that has been. If we're reviewing two thousand eighteen, that 79 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: was definitely my biggest lesson learned was family changes things, 80 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: that's for sure, But like you said, it's it's the 81 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: best thing ever. Right. Um, So it's kind of fun 82 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: to complain about it once in a while, but I 83 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: certainly wouldn't change it, that's for sure. Absolutely. Yeah, Man, 84 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: it's funny. Every year speaking of season and review kind 85 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: of things. Um. Usually the last day of the hunting 86 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: season each year here in Michigan, that's January one, yesterday. UM, 87 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: So every New Year's Day, I typically go out and hunt, 88 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: and I just find it to be like a nice 89 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: way to end the year. I always sit somewhere where 90 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: I can just be by myself, and I usually just 91 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, I'm not as focused on hunting. 92 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: I'm usually just kind of sitting there sometimes just close 93 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: my eyes and try to like soak in the surroundings 94 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: and the sounds and the smells and the moment and 95 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: just for that last time of the year, just soak it. 96 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: Just soak it all in, appreciate it, and then think 97 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: back on the season, kind of think through sometimes in 98 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: my head, just go back to the first day and 99 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: try to remember each hunt, each cool experience. Just kind 100 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: of go through that story in my mind and remembering 101 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: all the highs and the lows and think through what 102 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: I did right. Kind of kind of try to do 103 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: that like self review each year. Uh So, I was 104 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: gonna do that last night yesterday evening, um, but ended 105 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: up getting close to the time I was going to 106 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: go out, and I thought, you know what, Um, my 107 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: wife had been busy with them taking care of Everett, 108 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: and I've been working throughout the day. I thought maybe 109 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: maybe it'd be a good idea to take Everett with me. 110 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,679 Speaker 1: So I grabbed him, put him in the front pack, 111 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: put on some blaze orange, went out to the property, 112 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: one of these properties that could hunt, and we just 113 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: took a walk together, and um, you know, we we 114 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: He doesn't know what I'm saying, but the whole time 115 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: we're walking, I'm like talking to him about the stuff 116 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: I usually talked about in my head. But I kind 117 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: of told him the story of my season. I told 118 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: him about you know, well you were doing this and 119 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: you know that day that you had chicken pox. Well 120 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: that's when Daddy was in Nebraska, and uh, kind of 121 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: going through that whole thing. Then I we went and 122 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: checked the trail camera. I went and showed him all 123 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: these big rubs and told him the story of Frank 124 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: and showed him, well, this is a spot I saw Frank, 125 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: and this is this rub he was making when I 126 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: saw him that one time. We walked through and kind 127 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: of scouted through a little um patrol ground where he 128 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: had been breeding a dough, and um, it was just 129 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: it was just kind of a fun thing to do. 130 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: Um to kind of cap off the year. I thought 131 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: it was a very fitting way. As I was doing, 132 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: I thought, you know, this is this is the way 133 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: to end the season, because this season was so defined 134 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: for me by this new stage in life, you know, 135 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: and getting to share that with you know, getting to 136 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: spend that last day with the reason why I'm in 137 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: a new stage of life, and and and leading to 138 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: this new year, sharing this part of my life with him. 139 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he had no idea what was going on. 140 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: It was just a fun thing to be outside for him, probably, 141 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: but but for me it was it was a cool 142 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: thing to to be able to share with him. And 143 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: it just gets me a lot, um just even more excited, 144 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: I guess about two thousand nineteen, because I think, you know, 145 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: this year, it's still he's still really young, but he's 146 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: gonna be a walk and run around and follow me 147 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: in the woods is coming season and all those things 148 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: I'm excited about. So that was a good way in 149 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: the year. But I still haven't got to do my 150 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: serious audit of the season. So that's that's what we 151 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: need to do here. I really need to do the 152 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: serious breakdown of of things. And have you picked my 153 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: brain and tell me what I did wrong? Um? So 154 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: it's it's a good and looks of it, you didn't 155 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: do too much wrong. Man, Well, it was a good 156 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: It was a good year. I can't I can't complain 157 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:31,119 Speaker 1: about that. UM. Question for us before we talk about 158 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: my season though, Um, last time we talked, well, I 159 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: guess past that we exchanged a few text messages a 160 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: little while back about something that had you excited about 161 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: the end of year season. And we really haven't got 162 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: to talk about how much of your December hunting season 163 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: activities at all. Um. So my season is done. Everybody 164 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: kind of knows how it ended. I killed Frank in 165 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: December early December, and then after that I took a 166 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: bunch of time away from hunting, and then you know, 167 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: I will tell you later. We can get to this later. 168 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: But I did have a really cool end of the season. 169 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: The last like five six days of the season. Um, 170 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: we tried to hunt one of these properties for doughes 171 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: a bunch and got to share some fun time with 172 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: friends and family. UM. I had a really cool dough 173 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: hunt myself. So, uh don't don't don't let me forget 174 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: to mention that. But but what I'm trying to say 175 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: in a really long roundabout rambling that away, is to 176 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: tell me how your season has ended. Is it quite 177 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: done yet? Well, I'll tell you what. Technically no, because 178 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: it's still season here in Iowa, right, it's late season 179 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: muzzle loader or late season archery here in Iowa. And 180 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: so if I wanted to, or if I had the time, 181 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: I could most definitely go out. But it's not gonna happen. 182 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm just too busy, you know. I'm to a point 183 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: now where I feel I've already had a really successful season. 184 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: And although I didn't get the opportunit ney to fill 185 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: fill the freezer like I usually do, I'll be able 186 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: to rely on family to get some meat because my 187 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: stepdad had a really good season and he he was 188 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: able to go out and fill the freezer, uh like 189 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: more than enough for you know, to share with everybody. 190 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: And uh so I could I could have gone out 191 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: and you know, went to try to harvest a dough 192 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: or something like that, or even a second buck if 193 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to, but I felt it was honestly in 194 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: my best interest to focus all that time on my 195 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: business and really end two thousand and eighteen strong so 196 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: that I could continue that momentum going into two thousand 197 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: and nineteen. And that's just what I've really been focusing 198 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: on lately, is just the growth of growth of the 199 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: business side of things and um. But other than that, man, 200 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. My wife went out for her 201 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: very first ever shotgun. I took her out shotgun season 202 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: and we went out and she had it in her 203 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: brain that, you know, she did not want to to 204 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: shoot a dough. Um. She has some kind of connection 205 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: with them, I guess, And and she she passed up 206 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: a couple opportunities. Was it you? Was it you who 207 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: once knocked on someone's door for permission and they said 208 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 1: that deer were the spirit animal. Wasn't that? Yeah? The 209 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 1: lady said. The lady said, well, a white tailed dough 210 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: is my spirit animal. And I said, back to our 211 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: I go, you gotta be kidney, because the white tailed 212 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: buck is my spirit animal. Did you really think of 213 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: that on your toes? Yeah? I did. And uh, she 214 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: let me shed hunt it, which got me access to 215 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: the farm, but I couldn't hunt it, so so a 216 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: white tailed dough, Is is your wife's spirit animals? Well, 217 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's, uh, it's I don't know 218 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: if it's a white tailed dough, but it might be 219 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: like a white what's the most ferocious animal in the world. 220 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: It's got to be like a mother grizzly bear. Right, 221 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: I would say that's definitely a strong candidate. Yeah, I'm 222 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna say she's more of like a mother 223 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: grizzly bear. So so Mama Grizzly didn't want to shoot 224 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: a doll, right, that's right. So she didn't want to 225 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: shoot a doll. And the two days that we had, 226 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: like the three days we had set aside it the 227 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: weather was bad one of them, and we came, uh, 228 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: we came out hunting on the main farm. Once she 229 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: passed the dough. Went out two days later back at 230 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: my local farm that I have near the house. Passed 231 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: on a couple of doughs. But it's funny, right as 232 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: we're walking in, it butts right up next to public ground, 233 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: boom boom. So it was like we walked into the 234 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: timber and I just basically had to keep her positive, 235 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: you know. Instantly we heard those gunshots, and her her 236 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: attitude went downhill from that, like, oh, now we're not 237 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: going to see anything. I'm like, hey, you never know, 238 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 1: with all this chaos, deer could be running around trying 239 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: to have different hunting parties and what not. So we 240 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: just sat on the top of the hill and overlooked 241 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: this little valley. Uh, really good pinch point, and uh 242 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: we saw one dough work through there at a long distance. 243 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: And then on we left a little bit before daylight, 244 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: before nightfall, last shooting light, walked back to the truck 245 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: in a cornfield and there was three or four does there, 246 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: and uh, she didn't want to shoot at the does. 247 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: So uh, that's that was a rap on on her 248 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: shotgun season. And then, like I said, then the holidays 249 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: hit and and then just been full bore work for me. So, man, 250 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: so have you actually hunted yourself since you killed your buck? 251 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: I have not November? I think, well I shot him 252 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: on the shot him on the fourth, recovered him on 253 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: the sixth. Wow, So you haven't hunted since November four. 254 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: So I expect then, with all that time away from hunting, 255 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: that any day you're announcing that you're quitting your dat JA. 256 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: I have working full time at Sports Nation, all that 257 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: business time, right, Oh man, I hope that would be nice. 258 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: W wasn't it? I know, simply because I want to 259 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: hunt with you in Michigan. Dude, I you have no idea. 260 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: You have no idea how bad I want to hunt Michigan. Yes, 261 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: I do know what that tells me. So I got 262 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: my fingers and toes crossbrey man um. Okay, so that well, 263 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: before we shift, then why didn't you, I know, well, 264 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: why didn't you go after the one buck that you 265 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: got pictures of? Did you just just end up having time? 266 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: Or well, did you not think it's killable? I just 267 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: I don't, I you know how? Yeah, I don't. I 268 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: don't even really know how to explain it. Like I 269 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: get into a groove right in between, like before the 270 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: season starts, before the rut starts, you're gathering data from 271 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: trail cameras, you're you're you're looking at mine. You get 272 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: into this groove right where it's just like you're all 273 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: the data that you've collected now becomes like fluid and 274 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: then you just go with the flow. Right, Okay, I 275 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: got this wind, I gotta sit here, or I got 276 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: this data from this show camera and there's a good 277 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: trailer rub right here. I got historical data from last year. 278 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: From here, you could you get into this this flow 279 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: where things become automatic almost And I was not feeling 280 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: that at the end of the season, you know, I 281 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: I was more concerned with some other things like family 282 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: and uh uh, trying to get my wife prepared for 283 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: shotgun season, and you know I did have I went 284 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: to check my trail cameras and then Gnarlie Charlie showed up, 285 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: and uh, I don't it sounded like you got excited 286 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: and like, man, I gotta put together strategy. I'm gonna 287 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: go after him again, right, Yeah, So what happened was 288 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: I I got a picture of him, right, and then 289 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: I ended up putting a um a dirt like right 290 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: at shotgun season. So honestly, I went in taking my 291 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: wife into the best possible spot where I thought he 292 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: might come through, because he showed up the day before, 293 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: the night before. So we went in there, set up 294 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: a ground blind in some real thick trees, and uh 295 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: went in there after him, and you know, just that 296 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: one dough showed up. But it's one of those things 297 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: where then I didn't really know what to do because 298 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: I had already taken my trail cameras down from previous years. Uh, 299 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: you know, there was hunting already still going on in 300 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: that farm. And then we had to come back home. 301 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: I had to go back to work, and well, I 302 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: guess while I was there, I set up a cell 303 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: phone camera, a cell camera, and I started getting relay, 304 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: you know, pictures back from this camera. And then all 305 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: of a sudden, like oh man, it might have been 306 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: part of right after your second season Shotgun ended. He 307 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: shows up, but it's completely nocturnal on this camera because 308 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: there was a standing bean field. Well, that bean field 309 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: got harvested, and it must have stirred up something, because 310 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: he showed back up the the night that they that 311 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: they ended up during the day they combined it. That 312 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: night he showed back up and came back into the timber. 313 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: And then he showed up two more times on that 314 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: same exact trail leading into this bean field. And then 315 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: something happened. There was like a day or two with 316 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: no pictures. I think it got real warm, and then 317 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: I think, to be honest with you, I think he's 318 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 1: already shed his antlers. You've gotten pictures that you think 319 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: are him. I got pictures of really big bodied deer. Um, 320 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: multiple deer actually, so I think there's multiple shed bucks 321 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: on on this area, and I think one of them 322 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: is him. Just it's a gut feeling that I have, like, okay, 323 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: that he was coming through here three or four, like 324 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: three out of four days, all nocturnal, right ten eleven 325 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: o'clock at night. But the next day the same geer 326 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: came through just had no antlers on it, So I 327 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: think he he already shed his antlers. Interesting, well, yes, 328 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: it certainly happens when we UM. Oh, I don't think 329 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: you weren't on the podcast when I mentioned this, But 330 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: that one buck survivor that I've been watching in the 331 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 1: past couple of years, he got killed by neighbor, and UM, 332 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: the neighbor while tracking that buck across the property that 333 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: I hunt, UM actually found a shed from an early 334 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: shed buck. So that I've got my first shed of 335 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: the year because he gave that to me. UM. And 336 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: I've been hearing some other people across a number of 337 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: states saying the same thing. So I know what happens 338 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,959 Speaker 1: every year. Um, it's always surprising that what it does. Yeah, 339 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 1: I mean every once in a while I mean, just 340 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: like Spencer, right, he shot that buck and antlers popped off, right, 341 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: I've heard numerous stories of that already, and it's just 342 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: one of those things where I think, now that I 343 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: know he shed his antlers, I just have this really 344 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: good feeling that he's gonna make it through winter and 345 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: I'll be chasing him next year. That would be knock 346 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: on wood. Yeah, I know that. I know that feeling 347 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: the excitement of hoping that one of those bucks will 348 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: be back the next year and what that can mean. Uh, Galie, 349 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: are you going to share pictures if he comes back 350 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: next year? We'll see you, dude. I mean, this is 351 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: just I mean, we've we've talked about this, right, I mean, 352 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: the same reason that you just decided not to share 353 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,239 Speaker 1: pictures is the same part of the same reason that 354 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: I decided not to share pictures. And although you know, 355 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: there's probably people lots of people who listen to this 356 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: podcast in my podcast who live in the area, I 357 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: don't know, and they would have a hard time being 358 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: able to hunt the property that I hunt. It's just 359 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 1: that I don't know. I just I'll share it when 360 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm ready, know, I think that's a good that's a 361 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: good thing. Yeah, it was kind of nice to keep 362 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: a little bit private, you know, like we talked about 363 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: with Frank, it's kind of nice to ever once in 364 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: a while have some stuff that's just kinda for you 365 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: and some things that we share. And um, I think 366 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: there's a there's a there's a balance needed there sometimes maybe. 367 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,719 Speaker 1: So that's good man. I I then want to know 368 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: before we're talking about two nineteen and Narie Charlie. Um, right, 369 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: you hunted elk and then you hunted October into early November, 370 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: if you had to, like now that you look back 371 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: on your season satisfaction level with the season on like 372 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: a one to ten scale, or however you want to 373 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: quantify how you feel about your two thous eighteen season, 374 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: how would you how do you describe that? How would 375 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: you rate? Dude? I don't know if it could get 376 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: much better. I mean I come from Iowa, right, so 377 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: I just see corn fields and then when the corn 378 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: comes out of the fields, it's flat ground. And I 379 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: mean there's some great views and great terrain in Iowa. However, 380 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: I went to Colorado, dude, and I got up to 381 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: like eleven thousand three feet one day, and I saw 382 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: these spectacular views and I was able to hunt in 383 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: some very remote places you know for the lower as 384 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: far as the lower forty eight is concerned, that would 385 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: be very hard to get to for anybody. And we 386 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: went in and worked our balls off and had a 387 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: crack at an elk and I saw some you know, 388 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: we saw elk. I saw my first bowl elk up 389 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,959 Speaker 1: close that wasn't in like Rocky Mountain National Park and 390 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: you know, public land d I y just another unique 391 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: experience as far as a Western hunt concerns. So it 392 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: just it's hard to put a number on it. But 393 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: that's a win for me. If if I never killed 394 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: an elk but had that same experience every year, it's 395 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: a success in my book. Yeah, when you get those 396 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: hunts for elk where they're screaming up close all that 397 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: stuff like you had, that is that is hard to beat. 398 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: I don't blame you for being excited about that, and 399 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: it was. It's crazy, and I'm sure you are aware 400 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: of this feeling, but you get to a point where 401 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: you're just completely exhausted and it sucks climbing up the 402 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: mountain and these verticals and over the dead fall and 403 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: you're just like, oh God, this sucks. But the second 404 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 1: I got in my car and drove off that mountain, 405 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to be back doing it again. And it 406 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: was it was like, and that's all I think about now, 407 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: elk elk. Yeah, really yeah. I mean, it's it's crazy, 408 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: it's it's it's interesting because I and I either said 409 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: this on this podcast or someone's podcast. I don't remember 410 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: where I said this, but um, I have this like 411 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: ebb and flow of non white tail interest. And usually 412 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: usually it's like right about now, I usually get kind 413 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: of burnt out on white tails. I need like a 414 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: month and a half or so, or at least a 415 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: month maybe where I kind of step away from white 416 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: tails and I get really excited about elk again. This 417 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: is when I always end up like planning in my 418 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: elk hunts or whatever western the I'm gonna do, and 419 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: I'm reading my backpacker magazines and my vehicle magazines and 420 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: my fly fishing magazines and all that kind of stuff, like, oh, 421 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 1: I do this adventure and this trip and that thing 422 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: and this thing and that thing, and that you know 423 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 1: happens in the winter. But then, without fail, every year 424 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: gets to like late summer and it's leading into all 425 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: those trips, and I should be getting excited about those things. 426 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: And I am excited about those things, but I always 427 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: find myself like I should be scouting for white tails 428 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: or I should be checking that camera. I should be, 429 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: and I always end up just I'm just too I'm 430 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: too addicted to white tail like and and and in 431 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: this year for the first time, it's January two, and 432 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: I'm not burned out on white tails at all, Like 433 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm already like in full blown, like July 434 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: excited for the next season mode right now. Um. So, 435 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I'm more energized and refreshed than I 436 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: usually am. Um. So it's funny to hear that that 437 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: you're in the opposite side of it. You're more focused 438 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: on the on the different species now, where I'm more 439 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: focused back on the usual. Well, I tell you what, 440 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say I'm more focused. I would say 441 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: I'm equally as intrigued because like right now, I'll be honest, 442 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: my focus is on work and family right now, Like 443 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: like I haven't put too much thought into going out 444 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: West again. I mean, I'm gonna do it, but I 445 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: just haven't put too much thought into it as of 446 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: right now, just looking back and reflecting on the season, Like, 447 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: the experience I had with the elk hunt was almost 448 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: greater than and I don't want to say greater, because 449 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: I shot my biggest buck I've ever shot this year, right, 450 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: and it was a five year old, big mature white tail. 451 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: From a from a score standpoint, I guess you could 452 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: say it would have scored bigger than any other buck 453 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: that I've shot. But the impact it had on me 454 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: was almost greater going out west than it was shooting 455 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: my biggest white tail. I get that. It's that. I mean, 456 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: it's just such a different I mean, that was your 457 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: first really cool elk experience, Like our elk hunt experience 458 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: was just like a physical backpacking trip. We didn't get 459 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: the elk side of things that. I mean after my 460 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: first like elk hunt, where is awesome? Like that, I 461 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,479 Speaker 1: felt the exact same way you didn't. So I totally 462 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: get that. I mean, that is amazing. It's amazing. So 463 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: so it has me. It has me thinking about priorities 464 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: from a hunting thing. From a hunting standpoint, it's like, Okay, 465 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: I have this full time job. I'm only a lot 466 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: of X amount of days I can. I'm gonna be 467 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: able to deer hunt until I'm sixty in Iowa or 468 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: you know, in my sixties, if not older, depending on 469 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: how healthy I am. Right, I may not be able 470 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: to do the run and gun crazy things like I 471 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: do now. But uh, there is a limited window for 472 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: Western type hunts, especially the extreme type hunts, right And 473 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: I think in the next ten years, I really I 474 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: think I'm going to focus heavily on putting a lot 475 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 1: more time into these Western hunts and maybe even cutting 476 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: back a little bit on the white tail side of things, 477 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: and maybe only taking up a week vacation as opposed 478 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: to a two week vacation, right and and maybe dedicating 479 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,719 Speaker 1: some more time out west. Just you know, That's what 480 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about right now, Like where should my time go? Yeah? Yeah, 481 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: that's choices. Yeah, It's all about choices. So are you 482 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: saying that you're that you're gonna go back someday or 483 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: you're definitely gonna do a Western hunt again until the 484 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: nineteen Oh yeah, it's I'm going I'm going on a 485 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: Western hunt. It's probably gonna be the same elk hunt 486 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: again with the same group of guys, but I'm thinking 487 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: about adding that Nebraska mule deer, white tail deer, antelope 488 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: hunt as well. So yeah, man, that's that that's some 489 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: fun stuff out there. Yeah, now that I've got some 490 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: taste of that country. Yeah, that sandhills you mean? Yeah, yeah, dude, 491 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: I tell you, I'm not sure what it is, you know, 492 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,719 Speaker 1: like you're you. I think we've had this conversation before 493 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: that you're really drawn to the mountains. Like there's something 494 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: about the wide open prairie, the rolling hills of the prairie, 495 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: the sand hills in Nebraska more specific that I am 496 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,719 Speaker 1: just drawn to. I don't know. I absolutely love the 497 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: feeling of being completely alone and knowing, and that feeling 498 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: makes me It's like there's a second dairy feeling of 499 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: insignificance and how small you really are in the grand 500 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: scheme of things, that it just wakes you up and 501 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: it realizes that maybe you're not as important as you 502 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: think you are, you know what I mean about. That's 503 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: something I always enjoy about any time I get out 504 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: in these big wild places. That's exactly exactly one of 505 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: the things I'm thinking about, which which that hunt that 506 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: I had in western Nebraska was was definitely that kind 507 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: of thing that was just like you said something about 508 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: the wide open prairie in those rolling hills and the 509 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: just horizons that are never ending, that that really becomes 510 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: apparent in a very visual way that you're very small, 511 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: and uh, that's invigorating in some fashion. So yeah, man, 512 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: if if I had to look at my season, um 513 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: from like a satisfaction standpoint, um, a lot of things 514 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: you just mentioned, they're factored into it for me too, UM, 515 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: because I had a couple of these hunts that were 516 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: very much, um adventures in different kind of ways. The 517 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: public land hunt in Montana was just a ton of fun. 518 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: I love those solo kind of sleep in the back 519 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: of my truck hunts, and like that was an adventure 520 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: white to hunt for sure, are slogging up and down 521 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: rivers back into canyons. It was just a cool hunt 522 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: and to be able to pull it off on my 523 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: own that was very rewarding. Um. And then fastwards to 524 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: the Nebraska hunt. You know that we just talked about 525 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: that same kind of thing, just totally different than any 526 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: other white tail hunt I've ever done, big wild place. 527 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: I mean, even though that wasn't public land, it was 528 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: it was. It was more like a public land hunt 529 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: and more wild and vast and unpeopled than any public 530 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: land hunt I have done. So that was that was 531 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: really cool. Um. So did you miss you know, staying 532 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: on the topic of Western hunts, did you miss not 533 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: elk hunting this year? Well? I did do the elk 534 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: hunt two Remember I took Oh that's right, you went 535 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: solo for what like a four days five days. I 536 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: was solo for two days and then I met up 537 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: with Ryan Callahan for four or something like that. I 538 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: forgot about that. That was kind of like a I 539 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: kind of forgot about it too. It kind of just 540 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: slipped away into the memories of my hunting season that 541 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: was during that member, Like my September was just nuts 542 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: um and the elk hunton was just it was. It was. 543 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: It was fun trip from like a social aspect. Was 544 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: great to hang out with the guys and hiking the 545 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: mountains and stuff, but it was just not productive at 546 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: all from an animal standpoint. Um. And it was just 547 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: a physical a physical grind, unlike any of my other 548 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: el concert caribra hunt or anything. I mean, that was 549 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: just it was a lot of up and down. Um. 550 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: So that one was a little bit brutal, but but 551 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: still cool to get out there, cool to spend a 552 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: lot of time in these places. Um. And then of 553 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: course the at home season was, as we discussed, was 554 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: a pretty special one this year, going from you know, 555 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: disappointment of holy Field being gone and that whole kind 556 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: of for your build ending with nothing no ending to 557 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: the story, to then, uh, the surprise of of everything 558 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: that came about with with Frank showing up and everything, 559 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: so very very special season to have all that happened, 560 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: Like when it looked act all that I had my 561 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: best shed hunting year ever, found more sheds by far 562 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: than I ever had. I had like some of the 563 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: coolest fishing and backpacking adventures and stuff like that during 564 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: the summer, and then had this incredible hunting season, and 565 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: all of this happened, um, you know, on a year 566 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: where I thought that all these things would probably suffer 567 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: um because you know, I've got a family now, a son, 568 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: and to have all those things kind of happened at 569 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: the same time as having my son and getting to 570 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: spend so much awesome time with him and getting to 571 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,479 Speaker 1: take him out to Montana and all these different places 572 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: with us. UM. It just made for this being without 573 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: a doubt, the coolest year of my hunting life as well, 574 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: um you know, looking outside of just tags field, it was. 575 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: It was just a super cool set of experiences. So 576 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, Man, we gotta pinch ourselves or knock 577 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: on wood or do something so that we don't lose 578 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: this mojo, because it's gonna be hard for two thousand 579 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: nineteen to top this one. Real quick before we move on, 580 00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: I want to take a quick second here to think 581 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: our partners at White Tail Properties and they just dropped 582 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: a new land Beat video. 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Yeah, you know, And 598 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: I think I think a lot of what made this 599 00:32:54,880 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: for me such a successful year was I don't know 600 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: if it was being so busy even going into it, 601 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: or maybe not like caring so much about what the 602 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: outcome was and just to join the overall experience because 603 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: I felt like going into this season, I wasn't near 604 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: a stressed out um. And I'm speaking for the white 605 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: Tail because I had absolutely no expectations on my on 606 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: my elk hunt, right, I said to myself, dude, like 607 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: I think the area, the area for that was or 608 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: the success rate for that unit was like five percent 609 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: with a bow, So you know, statistics alone, I'm not 610 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: gonna shoot an elk right and plus public ground really 611 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: high up, you know, the the quantity, the numbers aren't 612 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: there like other areas, you know, just really like we 613 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: saw some good quality bowls. I see, I saw a 614 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: couple of cows and that's really it, right, not not 615 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: a ton, but with low expectations, I was able to 616 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: enjoy myself, not putting any pressure on I have to 617 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: kill an animal. And then the same kind of the 618 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: same kind of feeling transferred over into my white tail hunt, 619 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: where I really didn't go into the season with any 620 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: really high expectations or I didn't put any pressure on myself. 621 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: I just kind of released all that and went in 622 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: for the pure enjoyment of it. And I don't know 623 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: if it was like the mojo the way I was feeling. 624 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: I was feeling calm and loose and just going with 625 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 1: the flow, like you said, that put me in the 626 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: right spot at the right time. I got lucky. And 627 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I just I felt I just 628 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: ended up feeling good before I even shot that buck 629 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: and that not and then after I shot him and 630 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: found him, I feel good too. Do you think that 631 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: you're gonna do you think that's gonna carry over in 632 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: the future years? I mean, do you think that you're 633 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: gonna go into chals with you know, not not very 634 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: goal or in kind of just like go into it 635 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,959 Speaker 1: to see whatever happens. Is that something you think that's 636 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: a trend? Yeah? I really like that because I used 637 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 1: to I used to take these trail cameras really like 638 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: almost use them too much and rely on you know, like, hey, 639 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: I have all these big bucks on trail camera. They 640 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,280 Speaker 1: were here in September. That shift happens that we always 641 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,399 Speaker 1: talk about. And and so I'm sitting there with these 642 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: expectations of hey, this deer, this deer. You know, these 643 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: deer are supposed to be coming through here. It's the 644 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: best spot. Why aren't they here? What's going on? Blah 645 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: blah blah, And you you get in your own head 646 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: in a way, and this year, with the trail camera 647 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,959 Speaker 1: stolen in that area, I didn't put any back out 648 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: and I went in there hunting not a buck, but 649 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: hunting the best possible spot right and not not not 650 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,399 Speaker 1: over micromanaging my tree stand locations, which I believe led 651 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: me to putting myself in the right position at the 652 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,919 Speaker 1: right time, with what in the right conditions to where 653 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: this buck used those terrain features and those wind conditions 654 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: and the weather conditions like a big buck would. And 655 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: I was just in the right spot at the right time. 656 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: So so you did a bunch of things right there, 657 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: um that led to that success, whether that be the 658 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: fact that you just let go of some things and 659 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: focused on the right things versus maybe over analyzing pictures 660 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: or specific deer whatever might be. Um, but do you 661 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: think you made any mistakes, Like do you look back 662 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: and say, like, Okay, this is something that I definitely 663 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: screwed up, or this is something I learned from or 664 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 1: anything like that. Yeah. Man, I make mistakes every year, 665 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: and I'll be the first to admit that, right. I mean, 666 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: no one hunts perfectly, And for me, I made some mistakes, 667 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,280 Speaker 1: probably getting too aggressive before, like during the pre d times, 668 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: like I bounced into some real, some really good spots. 669 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: Probably in that October time frame. I remember having like 670 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: a three day window where I was able to go 671 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: in and hunt that when you thought you could hunt 672 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: Naralie Charlie's bedroom right right, Yep. I went in there, 673 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: and I think I just went in a little too early. 674 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: I think they were still on that. You know that 675 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: bed to feed patterns still nocturnal. Um. There wasn't a 676 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: ton of sign compared to other years, and I didn't 677 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: really read that as the deer are here. You know, 678 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: we had we had really high water almost all of September, 679 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: and I think that pushed the deer out. I think 680 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: he was in there at that time. But I think 681 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: I bumped him out at some point, either adding additional 682 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: trail cameras or going in on some of these aggressive 683 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: hunts too early, and I bumped him out and he 684 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,959 Speaker 1: didn't And I think I remember telling you that I didn't. 685 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 1: I didn't get any truil camera pictures of him until 686 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: oh man, I want to say November eight, And I 687 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: think that's how long it took him to feel comfortable 688 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: coming back into that farm. Yeah, so a two week 689 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,919 Speaker 1: maybe two and a half week window where he disappeared 690 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: and he went he went north to farm, and then 691 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: I think he came back after that, after like to 692 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,800 Speaker 1: like a day or two after I shot my buck. 693 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:33,879 Speaker 1: So I don't know. I uh. I think I think 694 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: I got him figured out, though, and I just have 695 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: to get in there and use my head, knowing what 696 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: I know about this one specific pinch point that leads 697 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 1: up to a field, and if I can figure out 698 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: how the wind acts in there, I think I'm gonna 699 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 1: have a really good shot at if let's say, you know, 700 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: like if all things were equal to this year, and 701 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: he uses the same pinch points and same travel corridors, 702 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: I think I'll put I could put myself into a 703 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: position to where somewhere around the tenth, eleventh, twelfth of October, 704 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: I could put myself into a position of maybe seeing him, 705 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: or getting a crack at him, or maybe adding a 706 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 1: different trail camera in there and checking it when I'm 707 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: doing my rut thing and you know, finding out more 708 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 1: information that would put me in a position to intercept 709 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: him hopefully. So now that you've been after him for 710 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: a year, kind of a little bit off and on here, 711 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: how like, how invested do you think you'll be in 712 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: the next year. Is it gonna be a situation where 713 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: you know, you'll do a few things this pinch point 714 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: and if it happens, it happens, but you're gonna keep 715 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: hunting all over the place. Or is it going to 716 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: be the point where you're gonna Now, I guess you 717 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: already answered this because you said you're probably gonna go 718 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 1: into this with not a whole lot of goals. But 719 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: do you think at any point you're gonna be like, 720 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,320 Speaker 1: holy smokes, this is a special deer. I wanna focus 721 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 1: more on this or you're done with that, we'll see. Um. 722 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,879 Speaker 1: I I think the lack what what this past year 723 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: really taught me is things change and in the woods 724 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: and with nature, you know. And this deer could get 725 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: hit by a car, he could be eaten by coyotes, 726 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: he could die from an infection. It could snow a 727 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: foot uh and freeze and get real cold, and he 728 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: could starve, you know whatever. And I think, if you start, 729 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: what I don't want to do is I don't want 730 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 1: to get into a ship rook a ship recor rut again. 731 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is I don't want 732 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: to be so invested in a specific deer that I 733 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: passed the opportunity at something that I've never shot before, 734 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: right right, Yeah, it's interesting you say that. I kind 735 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 1: of had a similar conversation with Spencer last week because 736 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: he was talking about how he doesn't like to target 737 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: specific box or get too focused on that, and he 738 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,360 Speaker 1: kind of said by default he has to because he 739 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: doesn't see the same deer often, um, but that he 740 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: didn't really like to do that because some of the 741 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: things you mentioned there, um. And then you just mentioned that, 742 00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 1: and right, we've over the years, we've talked about each 743 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: of our our own special situations that we've had kind 744 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 1: of like this, you with shipwreck, me with holy Field 745 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: and some other deer of the years. Um, it's interesting 746 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: that YouTube had that same thought over the course of 747 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: this time period. Now and I feel like I'm going 748 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: the opposite direction, Like I get I'm getting more and 749 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: more and more just fascination with like getting into a 750 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,359 Speaker 1: specific deer like that has just become so much fun 751 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: for me. And I don't feel like, you know, during 752 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: the moment, like during the hunts for holy Field, Like 753 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: if anyone's heard these podcasts, they've heard me talk about 754 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 1: how stressed I was, how I was getting you know, 755 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: down on myself about things blah blah blah blah blah. 756 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,359 Speaker 1: And yes there were times when I felt that way, 757 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: But like if I look at things over the long 758 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: run and if I zoom like if I zoom out 759 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 1: and look at the thirty thousand ft overview of like 760 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,319 Speaker 1: my experiences hunting, that's always like those kinds of experiences 761 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: where I had the multiple years of encounters with holy 762 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 1: Field or multiple years with with these different deer that 763 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,799 Speaker 1: of that have happened to hunt. Now this this couple 764 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 1: of years of experiences with Frank and the way this 765 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: all went like that is just I don't know, I'm 766 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: finding myself more and more interested in these really detail 767 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: oriented pursuits versus the filling of tags. Like I. You know, 768 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: after holy Field disappeared at the end of well, you know, 769 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: he never he never appeared again. But after I came 770 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: to terms of the fact that he had disappeared, you know, 771 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: it's late October. I think I was like, I don't know, 772 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,840 Speaker 1: just before Halloween the twenty nine or something. I remember thinking, okay, 773 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,919 Speaker 1: this is it, Like he should have shown up by now. 774 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: And I kind of had like this sit and think 775 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: time period of myself where I was like, man, you 776 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,359 Speaker 1: had a chance to shoot him, um, and you chose 777 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 1: not to In two thousand and sixteen. A lot of 778 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: people give you crap about that. Was that a mistake? Um? 779 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: You know you made mistakes in two thousand and seventeen 780 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: that kept you from shooting him. Are you upset it 781 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 1: yourself about that? Um? And when I look back, I 782 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,800 Speaker 1: was like, you don't know, Like I don't care. That 783 00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 1: didn't fill my tag if you told me right now, 784 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 1: that could have if I could, like if I rubbed 785 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: the bottle or what do you call it, genie and bottle, 786 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 1: So you rub a bottle or whatever. Is it a bottle? No, 787 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 1: it's a what a what are genies in? Yeah? Genie 788 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,360 Speaker 1: and a bottle Christina Aguilera song, I think it's I 789 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 1: think it's a lamp, Yeah, lamp, bottle, vase can. It's 790 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,320 Speaker 1: all the same. So if I could rub a bushlight 791 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: can and get a wish, I could get a wish 792 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,359 Speaker 1: and in the wish, like my options were that either 793 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: I could choose to have taken the shot at holy 794 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 1: Field in December of two sixteen and got to put 795 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: my tag on him, or had the experience I had 796 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 1: and seen him more in sixteen and seen him a 797 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,279 Speaker 1: bunch in seventeen but never got to kill him find 798 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: a shed in eighteen, I would without a doubt take 799 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: what happened, Like I just loved that that experience. Just 800 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: I don't know I what I what I am how 801 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 1: I what I would say has changed for me is 802 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,839 Speaker 1: that I am not or at least I'm trying. I'm 803 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: trying not to get as caught up with the end results, 804 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,440 Speaker 1: so like I really want the end result. I'm like 805 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 1: during the moment like it's never gonna change. But I 806 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,759 Speaker 1: don't think I'm just so goal oriented. I just get 807 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,880 Speaker 1: obsessed and I really dig in on these things. But 808 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: I do that because I love it, like I just 809 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,400 Speaker 1: love I love becoming infatuated with with a goal and 810 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: a task or a mission and trying to learn as 811 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,840 Speaker 1: much and dive into the details as much like that 812 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,839 Speaker 1: just like turns all my gears on, um so so 813 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: that I don't see changing. I'm getting more I can. 814 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: I can remember now looking back at like when I 815 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 1: was doing Shipwreck, you know, I was really doing the 816 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: same thing that what you're talking about right there, and 817 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:56,320 Speaker 1: getting really focused on one specific buck only hunting uh, 818 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: one specific buck going in only when I thought this 819 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: dear would would go and I and I passed a 820 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: ton of great deer to one fifty class four year 821 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 1: olds at times, right, And that's crazy to me now, right, 822 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,360 Speaker 1: I look back and I became obsessed with something. And 823 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm also kind of like a status statistics person, 824 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, what are the best odds? And I'm also 825 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 1: the kind of person who I don't give a shit 826 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: about antler size. Antlers are rare, right, A big antler 827 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: two inches whatever, that's rare, and it would be awesome 828 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:42,200 Speaker 1: to shoot. But if a five year old hundred fifty 829 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: four inch nine pointer like what I had this year 830 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,920 Speaker 1: shows up again next year. Man, I'm gonna take him. 831 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: I mean, because a five year old hundred fifty four 832 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,839 Speaker 1: inch five year of five year old hundred fifty four 833 00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:02,879 Speaker 1: inch buck is still a really good representation even in Iowa. Hell, 834 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: it's an awesome buck. Um. Yeah, dude, I I think that. 835 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,520 Speaker 1: I think there's definitely I think both of you have 836 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 1: have like had this evolution over the years as we've 837 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 1: been growing as hunters, figuring out what it is that 838 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,240 Speaker 1: we love about this, figuring out what kind of goals 839 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 1: or desires we have out of a season, And and 840 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,399 Speaker 1: I think we're both kind of like figuring that out 841 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,440 Speaker 1: and kind of coming to nice little equilibriums a little bit. Um. 842 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: We certainly had our bumps on the road, but but yeah, man, 843 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. It's it's so much more 844 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 1: the experience. For me. It's it's what you know, I 845 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,400 Speaker 1: said in the Frank thing. You know, Frank was huge, 846 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 1: and that's awesome. It was really cool, and I knew 847 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,920 Speaker 1: I was like watching a deer that's so so unique 848 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 1: to my area that that was like such a thrill. 849 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:57,319 Speaker 1: But I would have been just I mean, just as 850 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: excited if it was a hundred and thirty five hunter 851 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,120 Speaker 1: and forty five year old running around there that I 852 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,360 Speaker 1: was having all these cool and cooluns like guaranteed, I 853 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:06,960 Speaker 1: would have been just fired up. I would have been 854 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 1: staying up late thinking about it and waking up early 855 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,799 Speaker 1: thinking about it. I mean I would have been just 856 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: as cranked up. And that for me, is what I 857 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: want to keep doing. It is like having these cool 858 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,320 Speaker 1: experiences that challenged me, that pushed me to try to 859 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 1: figure these things out and get better and learn more 860 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 1: about these animals, whether that's a buck or a hundred 861 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 1: seventy in buck, whether it that's close to home or 862 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 1: out in Nebraska or wherever. I love. I think it's 863 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,840 Speaker 1: the challenge. I think that's what it comes down to. 864 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: I love being challenged within like the within the context 865 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 1: of hunting white tail deer. And so sometimes that's China, 866 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,279 Speaker 1: hunt this one deer. Sometimes that's like going to a 867 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,960 Speaker 1: brand new place in Montana and Nebraska or wherever and 868 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,800 Speaker 1: figuring it out and and shoot whatever. But the challenge 869 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,200 Speaker 1: is there because of the new situation. Um, I don't know. 870 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,240 Speaker 1: I just feel like more and more That is where 871 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,960 Speaker 1: my satisfaction rating comes from. It's from was there this challenge? 872 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,680 Speaker 1: Did I have fun tack attacking that challenge? And? Um, 873 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, did I feel like I at least did 874 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,080 Speaker 1: I feel like I put everything I had into it? 875 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,560 Speaker 1: That I think is where I'm deriving satisfaction now. Less 876 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,279 Speaker 1: so on did I fail at tag this year? I 877 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,360 Speaker 1: filled a bunch of tags. Next year I might not. Um, 878 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,759 Speaker 1: But if all those other things I just listed end 879 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,359 Speaker 1: up being true for next year, I think I'm gonna 880 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: be pretty damn satisfied still. Yeah, And I mean, we 881 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,759 Speaker 1: just keep coming back to it, dude, It's not It's 882 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:34,920 Speaker 1: not the destination, it's the journey of it all. Yeah. So, okay, 883 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,279 Speaker 1: so you maybe got too aggressive on Narlie. Charlie and 884 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,480 Speaker 1: October were pushed in there too much. Um, any other 885 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,360 Speaker 1: mistake you want to mention before I jump into a 886 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:48,319 Speaker 1: couple of months, you know, not really? I mean I 887 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 1: hunted so little this year with a bow that I 888 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,279 Speaker 1: just kind of went about. I got into the flow, 889 00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,359 Speaker 1: got into the routine, and it happened earlier rather than later. Uh. 890 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 1: And I didn't really have enough time to make a 891 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 1: ton of mistakes. I mean I made them little things, 892 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,200 Speaker 1: you know, like maybe being too aggressive on wind direction, 893 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,840 Speaker 1: playing the wind just a little too hard. And you know, 894 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm not a guy who likes to get into a 895 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,319 Speaker 1: stand or you know, get into you know, have an 896 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,160 Speaker 1: access route that's really killer, and if the wind is 897 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,120 Speaker 1: shifting a little bit, I like to sit there and 898 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,000 Speaker 1: write it out. And I did bad a couple of 899 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:30,160 Speaker 1: times this year when I maybe I should have got 900 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,840 Speaker 1: out of the stand and went to a different place 901 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,319 Speaker 1: just to not ruin that specific betting area. Yeah, I've 902 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,920 Speaker 1: I've had those same dilemmas. That's a tough one. I 903 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,160 Speaker 1: know a lot of guys who say that they get 904 00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,239 Speaker 1: up a move right away, and I have done that. 905 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,799 Speaker 1: Sometimes I have bailed on a spot right away. But 906 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,480 Speaker 1: then there also been times where I did the same 907 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: thing you did, where I'm thinking, well, I'm already here. 908 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,600 Speaker 1: I already made whatever kind of impact I was gonna 909 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,840 Speaker 1: make getting in here. Um, you know, how good is 910 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,160 Speaker 1: my prediction of where I think these deer are, where 911 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,279 Speaker 1: the're gonna go? You know what percent of the time 912 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 1: do they do something completely opposite of what you actually think? Um, 913 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,239 Speaker 1: so I hear you on that, that's a tough call. 914 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,799 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all right, so your mistakes? Yeah, so I 915 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:17,800 Speaker 1: think my my biggest mistake centered around being in a blind. 916 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,200 Speaker 1: That was that was the biggest thing. I did it right. 917 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,760 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many comments I got um 918 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,239 Speaker 1: from people after seeing the film. Oh speaking which, I 919 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,600 Speaker 1: released the video of my hunt for Frank this week. 920 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,319 Speaker 1: So if you haven't seen that yet, going over to 921 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,879 Speaker 1: the wire YouTube channel UM or the Mediator dot com 922 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,040 Speaker 1: you'll see that there. Um. But so many people saw, 923 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,399 Speaker 1: you know, there are all these things, all these people 924 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,759 Speaker 1: are saying like, oh, on inside of view of the 925 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 1: poop blind, this is awesome. You didn't record that part, 926 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,480 Speaker 1: did you? No? I did not record that part. By 927 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,960 Speaker 1: the way, before we get back into being serious again, 928 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,400 Speaker 1: you get you have a lot of listeners on this podcast. 929 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,799 Speaker 1: So of all those listeners, I need one of you 930 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 1: to create a meme Mark Kenyon rubbing a bushe light 931 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,600 Speaker 1: can and having a Genie pop out of it. Okay, 932 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,080 Speaker 1: that's all I want. That's that's your guys task for 933 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,320 Speaker 1: this week. That would be an awesome T shirt. I 934 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,400 Speaker 1: would wear that T shirt. Um. So, So what was 935 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,040 Speaker 1: I talking about? Your biggest mistakes? Oh? Biggest mistakes. So, 936 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,239 Speaker 1: but how did that relate to the poop plan? Right? Oh, 937 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,560 Speaker 1: most people don't poop in their blinds and that's kind 938 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,640 Speaker 1: of a mistake, right, Yeah, yeah, that that's what I 939 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:38,200 Speaker 1: was gonna say. Okay, So dear uh dear biggest mistakes. Yes, 940 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,320 Speaker 1: so biggest mistake I think related to this new area 941 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,320 Speaker 1: that I got permission hunt this past year, because coming 942 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,719 Speaker 1: into two eighteen, one of my big goals supposed to 943 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,480 Speaker 1: have more places to hunt, right because I've found myself 944 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,640 Speaker 1: sometimes like my local Michigan spots. Um, I get to 945 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,200 Speaker 1: two stuck on this one spot that's been historically pretty good, 946 00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,040 Speaker 1: and I always have like handful of other places I 947 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,160 Speaker 1: can hunt, but some years it's been um a small 948 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,520 Speaker 1: property that I lost, so that a couple of years 949 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,359 Speaker 1: ago I had a really nice little secondary spot when 950 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,920 Speaker 1: I lost permission there. Um a couple of years I've 951 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,279 Speaker 1: had permission on properties with friends, but I could only 952 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,520 Speaker 1: hunt them when I'm with those friends or situations like that. Um. 953 00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:17,880 Speaker 1: So this year I was like, you know what, I 954 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,239 Speaker 1: need to put myself in a position to have a 955 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,880 Speaker 1: much better set of plans B C and d UM. 956 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,000 Speaker 1: And I thought I had that situation where I got 957 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,160 Speaker 1: permission on this large property on the west side of 958 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,400 Speaker 1: the state through a friend and UM, and it was 959 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,239 Speaker 1: a really good property, like it we talked about in 960 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,720 Speaker 1: the spring in the summer, like it's a great spot. 961 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,680 Speaker 1: There's a lot of deer, and because it's a larger property, 962 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,919 Speaker 1: and because the landowner is managing it for deer, there's 963 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,160 Speaker 1: a lot of older bucks, much more than any other 964 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,799 Speaker 1: place I got to hunt. So going into this year, 965 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,080 Speaker 1: I was thinking, man, of anywhere I'm gonna hunt, I 966 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,880 Speaker 1: bet you that's my best lock to like fill attack 967 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,080 Speaker 1: to have success. Like I know there's gonna be mature 968 00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,520 Speaker 1: bucks there. Um, I thought that was gonna as much 969 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,879 Speaker 1: as a mature buck in Michigan might be. I thought 970 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,200 Speaker 1: that would be my I don't want to say guarantee you, 971 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:11,000 Speaker 1: but like my best chance. Right now, I feel like 972 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:15,480 Speaker 1: I just made a bunch of mistakes around that number one. Um, 973 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,840 Speaker 1: I didn't get to put as much time into prepping 974 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,600 Speaker 1: that property as I wanted. Just you know the same 975 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,160 Speaker 1: thing you talked about. Just time. Time got away from me. 976 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:24,960 Speaker 1: I was traveling a lot, a bunch of new career 977 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,960 Speaker 1: things going on, had a baby, trying to manage the 978 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,880 Speaker 1: small property that's local, trying to do some work up 979 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,880 Speaker 1: on our North Michigan property, all these things. All these 980 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,680 Speaker 1: things are excuses, I know, Um, but just simply did 981 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,480 Speaker 1: not get to put as much prep time as I 982 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,120 Speaker 1: wanted into this new area. So that was one thing 983 00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,560 Speaker 1: that led to a couple of missed opportunities me simply 984 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,600 Speaker 1: not prepping things quite right. Um. Number two, I think 985 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,719 Speaker 1: that I went into those hunts assuming it was better 986 00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,800 Speaker 1: than it was. So by that, I mean all of 987 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,200 Speaker 1: a sudden, I've got permission on a property that's like 988 00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what it technically is, 989 00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,400 Speaker 1: but I think I just just something like six d 990 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,480 Speaker 1: acres or something like that. I mean, that's way, way, 991 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,359 Speaker 1: way bigger. Most of the properties that can hunt our 992 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,399 Speaker 1: forty or nineties stuff like that, nothing like this. So 993 00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:15,319 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Wow, that's huge property. Um, the people that 994 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,799 Speaker 1: own it are managing it for deer. It's gonna be great. 995 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,279 Speaker 1: This is gonna be like hunting, you know, one of 996 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,960 Speaker 1: these Midwestern states where the pressure is much lower and 997 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,040 Speaker 1: where I've gone in the Passing, Ohio, Iowa. Whatever that 998 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:27,719 Speaker 1: It's just you can just get away with different things 999 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,880 Speaker 1: you can hunt things differently than I can in Michigan, 1000 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,040 Speaker 1: and you can still see mature bucks and get shots. Right. 1001 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,600 Speaker 1: So that's kind of the way I thought I was 1002 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,320 Speaker 1: gonna go, and I hunted it that way. I was 1003 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,600 Speaker 1: hunting very low impact stand sites. I wasn't being aggressive 1004 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,719 Speaker 1: at all. I had this week long period scheduled to 1005 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,399 Speaker 1: go hunt there, uh with the mediator crew, and I've 1006 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,080 Speaker 1: been able to prep some stuff for that. And then 1007 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,279 Speaker 1: also that the guy that owns the property, he and 1008 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,440 Speaker 1: his his friend were able to prep a bunch of 1009 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,080 Speaker 1: stuff there for that property. He's got a guy that 1010 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,040 Speaker 1: helps out in this proper do with him, so they 1011 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,080 Speaker 1: had a bunch of things prepped. But all of these 1012 00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,160 Speaker 1: stands that the collectively we had prepared, they kind of 1013 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,359 Speaker 1: were all low impact, safe stand sites that you would 1014 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:15,320 Speaker 1: hunt on a big, banaged property yum. And the issue 1015 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,919 Speaker 1: I found from the time I spent there was that 1016 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,640 Speaker 1: even though this is a pretty big property, even though 1017 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,160 Speaker 1: there's a lot of good things going for it had 1018 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,640 Speaker 1: great habits to all those things being the case, it 1019 00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,960 Speaker 1: was still Michigan and it's still what ended up happening 1020 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,760 Speaker 1: was that the deer, even with all those things still 1021 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,040 Speaker 1: behaved the way that they do on the forty acre 1022 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,359 Speaker 1: property hunt locally or the ninety acre property hunt around here. 1023 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,120 Speaker 1: They still did not want to move past those things 1024 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,080 Speaker 1: in daylight. They still were not daylight active nine in 1025 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,000 Speaker 1: the time. They still couldn't be killed in these ways. 1026 00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,520 Speaker 1: And I just did not get aggressive enough. I stuck. 1027 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,040 Speaker 1: I got I just stuck with it. I don't want 1028 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,880 Speaker 1: to say it was account. It wasn't necessarily that I 1029 00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:00,000 Speaker 1: didn't know that. I think it was a situation where 1030 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,080 Speaker 1: or I was afraid to step on toes I think 1031 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,000 Speaker 1: a little bit, or to like to divert too much 1032 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,000 Speaker 1: from like the party line. I don't if that makes sense. 1033 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,080 Speaker 1: So basically, it sounds to me like a decision that 1034 00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,440 Speaker 1: you would make if you were hunting by yourself was 1035 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,400 Speaker 1: a different decision because you were hunting with additional people exactly. 1036 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,560 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't want to piss anyone off, 1037 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to overstep my boundaries. I you know, 1038 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,360 Speaker 1: I think because of that, and because I was still navigating, 1039 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,560 Speaker 1: you know, the relationship of hunting this property with these guys, 1040 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,320 Speaker 1: it was just there was a lot of new things, 1041 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,120 Speaker 1: and I didn't because of that, I didn't hunt the 1042 00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,080 Speaker 1: way that now I know I should have hunted, and 1043 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,080 Speaker 1: in the moment I knew I should have hunted, And 1044 00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,319 Speaker 1: I think that led to the fact that that it 1045 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,600 Speaker 1: was a great opportunity. There's a lot of good bucks 1046 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,200 Speaker 1: on camera. Um, I should have failed a tag there. 1047 00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:49,880 Speaker 1: I had a week there in the rut. I should 1048 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,160 Speaker 1: have killed a buck, no doubt about it, and I didn't. UM. 1049 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,080 Speaker 1: So from like a tactical standpoint, that was a tactical mistake. Um, 1050 00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:01,359 Speaker 1: And then to a very specific tactical mistake. I told 1051 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,800 Speaker 1: you the story of right were you in the episode 1052 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,880 Speaker 1: where I told the podcast the story about where I 1053 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,840 Speaker 1: had this buck at twenty yards and couldn't get a 1054 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,919 Speaker 1: shot at him because of a trim shooting a lane 1055 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,520 Speaker 1: that wasn't cut. I know that. So so that was 1056 00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,560 Speaker 1: like a very specific example of because this is a 1057 00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,480 Speaker 1: shared property with these other guys, this is a spot 1058 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,720 Speaker 1: that I had tried to go in to hunt a 1059 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,440 Speaker 1: stand that I had. I've been scouting the property in 1060 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,960 Speaker 1: the spring. I noticed an old ladder stand when I 1061 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,800 Speaker 1: was out scouted in the spring, and in my head, 1062 00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,400 Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, that's a good spot to hunt, you know, 1063 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,320 Speaker 1: but I never end up getting back to it, never 1064 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,439 Speaker 1: ended up messing with it, never ended up doing anything there. 1065 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,320 Speaker 1: So then on this morning, I see the wind, I 1066 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:42,880 Speaker 1: look at all the things I knew. I was like, okay, 1067 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,400 Speaker 1: I want to try to go. I think, I think 1068 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:45,800 Speaker 1: I want to go to that area. And I remember 1069 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,720 Speaker 1: there's like an old ladder standing there. I'm gonna sneak 1070 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,560 Speaker 1: in there and try to hunt him. So I go 1071 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,360 Speaker 1: trying to sneak into that spot with a cameraman running lay. 1072 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,440 Speaker 1: You know, everything's a mess already. And we get in 1073 00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,000 Speaker 1: there and it's dark and I cannot find the stand. 1074 00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,760 Speaker 1: I can't find the stand and walking around and I'm 1075 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,760 Speaker 1: getting frustrated and piste off it's not there. And then 1076 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,680 Speaker 1: we find like an old like tripod that someone had 1077 00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,640 Speaker 1: put out there, who knows how long ago. And then 1078 00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,520 Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, is that what I saw? And 1079 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,280 Speaker 1: my memory was that it was a ladder stand, but 1080 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,080 Speaker 1: actually it's like a tripod that, you know. I don't 1081 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,080 Speaker 1: know what to do with this. So in a moment 1082 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,640 Speaker 1: of panic, um, I don't know if it was panic, 1083 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,920 Speaker 1: but I texted the other guy. I was like, hey, 1084 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, is that ladder there? Um, and he's like, oh, no, 1085 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,680 Speaker 1: I don't think so, but you know there's this other 1086 00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,960 Speaker 1: one down the way. You could try that. So this 1087 00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,720 Speaker 1: is a long way of getting to the fact that 1088 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,080 Speaker 1: I end up going to a stand that I had 1089 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:40,000 Speaker 1: not prepped myself, that I didn't know about. I knew 1090 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,560 Speaker 1: that there was a stand sim around there, but that 1091 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,640 Speaker 1: I didn't personally do anything with. I went to that spot. 1092 00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,720 Speaker 1: It ended up being in a great spot, um, and 1093 00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,760 Speaker 1: I liked it so much, like hunted there several days afterwards. 1094 00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,680 Speaker 1: But because I didn't put enough time in the summer 1095 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,800 Speaker 1: to prep all these spots myself, I was dependent on 1096 00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,720 Speaker 1: other people, which I hate being. And because of that, 1097 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,640 Speaker 1: a spot that should have been a cutting lane cut 1098 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,760 Speaker 1: there wasn't, and that buck was standing there twenty yards. 1099 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,000 Speaker 1: This would have been before Frank. It would have been 1100 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,480 Speaker 1: my biggest buck ever in Michigan, very close to one 1101 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,440 Speaker 1: of my bigger deer ever, a great Michigan deer. Um. 1102 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,640 Speaker 1: And he was there at twenty yards easy peasy shot 1103 00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,640 Speaker 1: can't get it because of all these limbs, And that's 1104 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,040 Speaker 1: no one's fault but mine. So um. That was a 1105 00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,160 Speaker 1: very specific example of not putting in the time and 1106 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,920 Speaker 1: taking care of all the details. And dude, I think 1107 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,480 Speaker 1: you're beating yourself up on that, because how how many 1108 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,439 Speaker 1: times have you done a running gun set and not 1109 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,840 Speaker 1: necessarily saying a big deer came through. Let's just say 1110 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,920 Speaker 1: any deer came through and you didn't have a crack 1111 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,760 Speaker 1: at it because it came from some crazy awkward angle. Right, Yeah, 1112 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:51,400 Speaker 1: I mean that's just that just happens. Yes, I mean, 1113 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,480 Speaker 1: yes it does. And I guess I just feel and 1114 00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,960 Speaker 1: maybe you're right, maybe you're right. I'm just and this 1115 00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,920 Speaker 1: is kind of just what I do. I mean, right, 1116 01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:05,200 Speaker 1: I over analyzed things and I nitpick, but that I 1117 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,800 Speaker 1: guess this is a situation where the nitpicky, the nitpicky 1118 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,320 Speaker 1: part of me can point to a very specific little 1119 01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,000 Speaker 1: thing that kept me from a very specific outcome, and 1120 01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,920 Speaker 1: that like, that's you know, it's like a thorn of 1121 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,440 Speaker 1: my crawl um that I keep looking back, Like I know, 1122 01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to watch that clip on some future 1123 01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,320 Speaker 1: episode of a show and I'm gonna sit there kicking 1124 01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,160 Speaker 1: myself piste off because this really cool buck is right 1125 01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,200 Speaker 1: there and I couldn't get a shot, And that's gonna 1126 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,240 Speaker 1: be a that's gonna be a bummer. Um. But but yeah, 1127 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,000 Speaker 1: I mean it could have happened in any kind of scenario, 1128 01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,200 Speaker 1: could have happened on a run agun hunt. I've had 1129 01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,800 Speaker 1: similar things happen. Um. I just wish that in that scenario, 1130 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,360 Speaker 1: like it was a prepped tree, you know, it should 1131 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,280 Speaker 1: have been you should have had a lane cut to 1132 01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:52,280 Speaker 1: each one of these directions where they could come from. 1133 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:59,600 Speaker 1: And it wasn't. So that was disappointing. But but you're right, Um, 1134 01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,640 Speaker 1: that was one thing that just stood out. Though. The 1135 01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:06,240 Speaker 1: second mistake or challenge that stood out to me was 1136 01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,959 Speaker 1: related to travel. We talked about this earlier in the year, 1137 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,560 Speaker 1: but I had, like, all, I'm traveling more in general 1138 01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,200 Speaker 1: because of stuff with with the new company and everything. Um. 1139 01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,720 Speaker 1: And then that is layered on the fact that I've 1140 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,360 Speaker 1: got more responsive abilities at home with a son and 1141 01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,000 Speaker 1: trying to figure out a way to balance that, and 1142 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,439 Speaker 1: that just kind of made this year tougher in in 1143 01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,160 Speaker 1: ways obviously you know about as you're talking about this 1144 01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,680 Speaker 1: thing yourself. Um. And so my big mistake happened that 1145 01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:41,000 Speaker 1: I kind of I don't know, I didn't recognize how 1146 01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,520 Speaker 1: tough that would be right out the gate. So in September, 1147 01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,080 Speaker 1: I had like an eleven day period where I was 1148 01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,440 Speaker 1: gonna hunt in Montana, and then it just kind of 1149 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,120 Speaker 1: get kept getting stretched. I was like, Okay, I'm gonna 1150 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,040 Speaker 1: go from Montana hunt, and then Josh was going to 1151 01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,200 Speaker 1: go to North Dakota, so I was like, well, I 1152 01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,280 Speaker 1: can stretch out and hunt in North Dakota to when 1153 01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,479 Speaker 1: I'm out there, and then there's business meeting in in 1154 01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,520 Speaker 1: some folks that that I worked with, like, hey, why 1155 01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,280 Speaker 1: don't you stick around for another day or two since 1156 01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:05,800 Speaker 1: you're alreadynna be out there. So all of a sudden, 1157 01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,080 Speaker 1: like what I thought was gonna be a seven day 1158 01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,800 Speaker 1: hunt became like an eleven day hunt. Um. And then 1159 01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,840 Speaker 1: I got the invite to do this out hunt and 1160 01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:15,840 Speaker 1: that kind of stretched out to more. So all of 1161 01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,880 Speaker 1: a sudden, I thought I was gonna hunt seven days 1162 01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,200 Speaker 1: in Montana in September, and by the time September was done, 1163 01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,440 Speaker 1: I ended up being gone for twenty days or twenty 1164 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,160 Speaker 1: one days or something of the month. And that was 1165 01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,959 Speaker 1: a mistake. I mean, that was just way too much 1166 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,080 Speaker 1: put on put on my wife and way too much 1167 01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,600 Speaker 1: time away from Everett. And I was you know, right 1168 01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,680 Speaker 1: after that, I was like, go, wow, I don't want 1169 01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:39,640 Speaker 1: to do that anymore. I did not like being gone 1170 01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,320 Speaker 1: that much. Um. And so you know, we talked about 1171 01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,200 Speaker 1: I canceled one of my trips in October UM and 1172 01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,200 Speaker 1: didn't travel a whole lot after that. The rest of 1173 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,920 Speaker 1: the season. I had the six or seven days or 1174 01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,640 Speaker 1: whatever I was out on this other property that I 1175 01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,800 Speaker 1: just talked about, and then I took a couple of 1176 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,160 Speaker 1: short trips, like two days up to our northern Michigan 1177 01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,360 Speaker 1: cabin a couple of times um. And then I guess 1178 01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,560 Speaker 1: it's in Nebraska, but that was that was tight trip 1179 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,720 Speaker 1: that was forward and a half days or something. UM. 1180 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,120 Speaker 1: So I think that I don't know if it was 1181 01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,960 Speaker 1: a mistake, but it was like it was a mistake's 1182 01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:12,400 Speaker 1: last challenge that I identified. And now I know I'm 1183 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,520 Speaker 1: kind of skipping ahead to things I want to do differently, 1184 01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,360 Speaker 1: but based off that. Now I kind of know that 1185 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,640 Speaker 1: as much as I possibly can, like as much as 1186 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,800 Speaker 1: I have control over it, I'm now you know, getting 1187 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,240 Speaker 1: invited on things and being a part of trips that 1188 01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,640 Speaker 1: I can't control as much. UM, Like I'm taking off 1189 01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:29,880 Speaker 1: from for Mexico here in a couple of days, and 1190 01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be gone for eleven days or twelve days, 1191 01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,480 Speaker 1: and that's gonna be really tough. I'm not I'm looking 1192 01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,200 Speaker 1: forward to the trip itself and appreciative of that opportunity, 1193 01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,080 Speaker 1: but I'm really not looking forward to being gone that 1194 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:43,120 Speaker 1: away that long from the family. Um. So, as much 1195 01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,040 Speaker 1: as I can control these things, I want to try 1196 01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:46,920 Speaker 1: to find a way to to still travel a lot. 1197 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,800 Speaker 1: Like that's that's an important part of what I do, 1198 01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:50,800 Speaker 1: and I really enjoy that, but I want to I 1199 01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:52,960 Speaker 1: think the way to do that, to be more family 1200 01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:57,120 Speaker 1: friendly is is spread out and short. So instead of 1201 01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,240 Speaker 1: like doing two weeks a two week straight trip or 1202 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,760 Speaker 1: something two weeks straight for vacation or whatever it might be, 1203 01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,480 Speaker 1: I think what I'm gonna try to do now is 1204 01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,080 Speaker 1: a four day trip here and then I'm home for 1205 01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,280 Speaker 1: three weeks, and then a four or five day trip here, 1206 01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,520 Speaker 1: and then I'm home for several weeks, and then a 1207 01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:16,440 Speaker 1: three day trip here. Like doing maybe more trips, but shorter. 1208 01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:21,000 Speaker 1: Um at least, that's what I'm thinking, is Like, it's 1209 01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:25,400 Speaker 1: the it's the long time spans where it gets really tough. Um, 1210 01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:26,680 Speaker 1: do you kind of have the same thing with your 1211 01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,080 Speaker 1: with your wife, Like like for three or four days, 1212 01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,959 Speaker 1: maybe it's okay, but when you get to day five, six, seven, eight, nine, 1213 01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,720 Speaker 1: like that gets really challenging when there's no break from 1214 01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,720 Speaker 1: the kids. Yeah, man, I'll tell you what. I just 1215 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,320 Speaker 1: wish I had more advice on that on that note, 1216 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:46,040 Speaker 1: because for me, I'm not in the position yet where 1217 01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,440 Speaker 1: like for you you have a little more flexibility on 1218 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,560 Speaker 1: you can go out for a four day hunt, come 1219 01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,320 Speaker 1: back and go out for another four day hunt out 1220 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,960 Speaker 1: west or or to a different date or whatever. For me, 1221 01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,640 Speaker 1: that has to be big chunks of time, right because 1222 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,640 Speaker 1: I can't do the multiple trips, you know, because because 1223 01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:06,720 Speaker 1: travel time counts, and I want to be able to 1224 01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:11,720 Speaker 1: hunt as much time as possible. So you know, and 1225 01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,720 Speaker 1: and there's more. There's more hunting in my future. I 1226 01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,120 Speaker 1: know it because I'm gonna make it happen. So and 1227 01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,600 Speaker 1: this this is going on for me in two thousand 1228 01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,720 Speaker 1: and nineteen as well, is to be able to a 1229 01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,040 Speaker 1: include my wife and children into more of these quote 1230 01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:36,280 Speaker 1: unquote adventures or be take care of the planning. So 1231 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:40,280 Speaker 1: my wife has some assistance in some of this, you know, 1232 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,160 Speaker 1: and help maybe she has a mother or father in 1233 01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,240 Speaker 1: law or my dad or mom come and help out 1234 01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,040 Speaker 1: for a day or two just to relieve some of 1235 01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:53,360 Speaker 1: that stress and or put myself in a position to 1236 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:58,600 Speaker 1: where she has less responsibilities. So maybe I can pay 1237 01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,560 Speaker 1: off some debt. Like for me, a real big thing 1238 01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,920 Speaker 1: in two thousand nineteen is finances, right, I gotta, I 1239 01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,800 Speaker 1: gotta get some debt down. I gotta, um, you know, 1240 01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:11,120 Speaker 1: find ways to be more lucrative and all avenues pay 1241 01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,080 Speaker 1: off some debt, which means that she also has to 1242 01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:18,400 Speaker 1: work less in one of her jobs, and then she's 1243 01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,600 Speaker 1: not as stressed. You know, She'll still have to watch 1244 01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,720 Speaker 1: the kids when I go on these trips, but at 1245 01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:29,400 Speaker 1: the same time, she won't have to be multitasking as much. Yeah, 1246 01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,040 Speaker 1: so so let's keep going down that road then, Um, 1247 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,200 Speaker 1: things we want to do differently in two thousand nineteen. 1248 01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:36,840 Speaker 1: So it sounds like both of us have some thoughts 1249 01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:41,200 Speaker 1: around how do we how do we better balance travel 1250 01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,120 Speaker 1: and family obligations. So I'm right there with you two. 1251 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,480 Speaker 1: In addition to trying to do for me, I can 1252 01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,440 Speaker 1: do the short trips, so I'm trying to do shorter trips. 1253 01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,640 Speaker 1: But I am I have been thinking about the same 1254 01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,400 Speaker 1: things as far as trying to put my family in 1255 01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,160 Speaker 1: a better position while I'm gone, So lining up more help, 1256 01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,360 Speaker 1: um trying to make it so that you know, the 1257 01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,000 Speaker 1: responsible is at home or not as great anything like that, 1258 01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:07,040 Speaker 1: because and this is nothing new, and we know this, 1259 01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,200 Speaker 1: but like we put when we leave, when when when 1260 01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:11,880 Speaker 1: we're not around to help out with the family, right, 1261 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,520 Speaker 1: we're putting a big burden on everybody else, on our wives, 1262 01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,600 Speaker 1: a burden on our kids even and and just you know, 1263 01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,520 Speaker 1: not being around him sucks too. Um So, so yeah, 1264 01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,640 Speaker 1: I think obviously for me, that's something I'm just gonna 1265 01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,560 Speaker 1: be facing more and more, especially if we have another child, 1266 01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,080 Speaker 1: you know what, that's gonna change and short changes things. 1267 01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,959 Speaker 1: So all these things are definitely definitely top of mind. 1268 01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,840 Speaker 1: But but this year was definitely a good learning experience 1269 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,520 Speaker 1: around that in that regard. Yeah, I just want to 1270 01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:45,760 Speaker 1: be able to like hunting is such at times can 1271 01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,200 Speaker 1: be selfish, right because I'm gonna go on this Elk 1272 01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,760 Speaker 1: trip and I'm gonna go on it's gonna be intensive. 1273 01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,560 Speaker 1: So unless my wife trains and decides she wants to 1274 01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,320 Speaker 1: come with me on something like that, it's just I mean, 1275 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,120 Speaker 1: she she is not as dedicated to hunting as I am. Right, 1276 01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,880 Speaker 1: she likes to be Chaufford to the turkey blind and 1277 01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,560 Speaker 1: Schouford to the blind, and she needs she likes to 1278 01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,840 Speaker 1: be told what to do and when to do it. 1279 01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,800 Speaker 1: She she does like to learn along the way. But 1280 01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:20,400 Speaker 1: it's not it's not her it's not her identity like 1281 01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:25,759 Speaker 1: it is it's my identity, you know. So so, but fishing, 1282 01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,080 Speaker 1: like if I can include the family and all these 1283 01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,960 Speaker 1: other activities that I plan on doing that are hunting, 1284 01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,640 Speaker 1: Let's say, like I think this year my daughter is 1285 01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,519 Speaker 1: gonna be able to come turkey hunting with us. Uh, 1286 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:41,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna do a lot more fishing this year with 1287 01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:46,479 Speaker 1: the whole family and involve everybody so that when the 1288 01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,519 Speaker 1: time comes for me to go on one of these trips, 1289 01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:53,280 Speaker 1: it's you know, I've put in the family time, you 1290 01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,720 Speaker 1: know what I mean. It is time. It's time for 1291 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,599 Speaker 1: the It's time for the cowboy, cowboy to go Rome, 1292 01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,120 Speaker 1: if that makes sense, you know what I mean. And 1293 01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,679 Speaker 1: it's just as much hope that that's what you tell 1294 01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:08,120 Speaker 1: your wife when you walk up the door. Well, see, honey, 1295 01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:11,840 Speaker 1: it's time for the cowboy to room. You know and uh, 1296 01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:17,040 Speaker 1: but at the same time, right right, well, it's just 1297 01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:21,840 Speaker 1: it's one of those things that I feel with my 1298 01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,000 Speaker 1: wife and me and the kids, there's three or four, 1299 01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:30,760 Speaker 1: maybe five more years of this really frustrating type where 1300 01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,480 Speaker 1: as my children get older, it's going to become easier 1301 01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,280 Speaker 1: for her to handle all of them. But right now 1302 01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,560 Speaker 1: they're all in just the age group where it's very difficult, 1303 01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,160 Speaker 1: and you know, she takes care of them most of 1304 01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,519 Speaker 1: the time anyway, because I have to go to an 1305 01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,719 Speaker 1: office and I have to sit in the back room 1306 01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:52,479 Speaker 1: and do do this job. But with but I think 1307 01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,800 Speaker 1: as time goes on, it will become easier. But until then, 1308 01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,760 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no way to there's no way to 1309 01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,439 Speaker 1: cut it and make it sound like, hey, I guess what, 1310 01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:04,080 Speaker 1: You're gonna have the kids allto yourself for eight days, 1311 01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, like she doesn't like that straight up. So 1312 01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, well to that point, you know another thing, 1313 01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,720 Speaker 1: and I don't know if this is something that you've 1314 01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:16,400 Speaker 1: thought of. I mean, you you kind of have done this, 1315 01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,280 Speaker 1: and I've done this to varying degrees. But this year 1316 01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,040 Speaker 1: one of the one of the other things I want 1317 01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:22,840 Speaker 1: to do a better job of a nineteen and I 1318 01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:27,800 Speaker 1: alluded to this earlier, is getting a getting more high 1319 01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:33,080 Speaker 1: quality options really close to home, so so that I'm 1320 01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,920 Speaker 1: not having to travel to still have quality hunts. You know, 1321 01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,599 Speaker 1: right now, I've got like a spot or two close 1322 01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,200 Speaker 1: to home that are pretty good. If I want to 1323 01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,040 Speaker 1: do anything better than that that I'm traveling a minimum 1324 01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:48,799 Speaker 1: of like two hours minimum. UM, I need a bunch 1325 01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,920 Speaker 1: of good spots really close to home so that, UM, 1326 01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,280 Speaker 1: I can still have quality hunting experiences. I can still 1327 01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:56,800 Speaker 1: you know, you know, it's part of my job, right 1328 01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:58,320 Speaker 1: so I need content. I need to be out doing 1329 01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,200 Speaker 1: these things. UM I need to be able to those 1330 01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,040 Speaker 1: things without needing to travel to Iowa or without need 1331 01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,760 Speaker 1: to travel to Kansas or Ohio or whatever. I'm still 1332 01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,559 Speaker 1: going to travel some, but as I mentioned, shorter trips 1333 01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,240 Speaker 1: and maybe not as much. So that's one of my 1334 01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:13,000 Speaker 1: big goals for this year is locked down some more 1335 01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:17,240 Speaker 1: spots close here so that UM quality can still be good, 1336 01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:19,599 Speaker 1: but quality time at home can still be good. Being 1337 01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,240 Speaker 1: able to you know, when I can do that when 1338 01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,760 Speaker 1: I'm home and still hunting, it's it's it's it's you know, 1339 01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:28,679 Speaker 1: much less of a burden on my family, So that's 1340 01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,080 Speaker 1: one of my things. Yeah, that's difficult, man. I I 1341 01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,000 Speaker 1: did the same thing this summer, knocked on a couple 1342 01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,439 Speaker 1: of extra doors, you know, got nos all the way around, 1343 01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:41,280 Speaker 1: and um, I don't know. It's just at the same time, 1344 01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,840 Speaker 1: I'm not worried about it right now because I do 1345 01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,479 Speaker 1: have plenty of options and I know that I have 1346 01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,559 Speaker 1: to put in my brownie point, especially if I want 1347 01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,880 Speaker 1: to do additional you know, if I want to take 1348 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:56,280 Speaker 1: an additional trip to Nebraska next this next year, this 1349 01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,439 Speaker 1: next season, there's a good chance I'm not even gonna 1350 01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:03,240 Speaker 1: try to October for white tails, you know what I mean. 1351 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:10,639 Speaker 1: So it's just making sure that like the scale gets tipped, 1352 01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:12,840 Speaker 1: and it's gonna get tipped, but never to the point 1353 01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,280 Speaker 1: where the load falls off. So what are you envisioning 1354 01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:19,800 Speaker 1: them for these trips? You're envisioning a September Ltcome, you're 1355 01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:24,760 Speaker 1: envisioning a when are you gonna do this Nebraska hun? Um? Yeah, 1356 01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,000 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's gonna be like the last 1357 01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:31,439 Speaker 1: week of September or the first week of October. Um, 1358 01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,280 Speaker 1: that will be a shorter trip, maybe like a I 1359 01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,960 Speaker 1: don't know, a four day trip. You know, a day 1360 01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,320 Speaker 1: to travel for three or four days to hunt, uh, 1361 01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,080 Speaker 1: and then a day to travel back. So it's like 1362 01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,559 Speaker 1: an eight hour trip from where I live too out 1363 01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:51,240 Speaker 1: there and I don't know, just try to and it's 1364 01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,080 Speaker 1: gonna be play it by here, right. I mean, if 1365 01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,479 Speaker 1: I the good thing about Nebraska and some of these 1366 01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,200 Speaker 1: other states like Colorado, it's over the counter tag. So 1367 01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:03,960 Speaker 1: if I you know, like I have a lot of 1368 01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,680 Speaker 1: preference points for Wyoming, I'm gonna turn those in someday. 1369 01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,400 Speaker 1: And when I turned those in, they take years to calculate, 1370 01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:14,160 Speaker 1: you know, to to build up. And when that hunt 1371 01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:18,200 Speaker 1: comes and I draw a good unit, I'm going and 1372 01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to spend a good amount of time there, right, 1373 01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:25,519 Speaker 1: because I've invested heavily in in this hunt. Yeah, yeah, 1374 01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:29,880 Speaker 1: I hear you're there. Um. Interesting, So that Elk hunt 1375 01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:34,360 Speaker 1: is that early September. Yeah, that's the first week of September. 1376 01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:36,320 Speaker 1: So you're kind of doing like what I was talking 1377 01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:39,040 Speaker 1: about a little bit, and that you've got early September 1378 01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,479 Speaker 1: early October, then I'm sure you're gonna take a week 1379 01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,080 Speaker 1: for early November or whatever, however much time you can write, 1380 01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,400 Speaker 1: so at least kind of spreading them out to give 1381 01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,800 Speaker 1: the family time between that. That's sounds like that works 1382 01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:54,240 Speaker 1: for you to huh yeah, yep, that's the goal anyway. 1383 01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it would be awesome if I could take 1384 01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,919 Speaker 1: a week long trip every month, right, maybe even late August, 1385 01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,960 Speaker 1: take an antelope hunt. September take an elk mule your hunt. 1386 01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:08,200 Speaker 1: October take a different hunt. November, take a different hunt. 1387 01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:11,719 Speaker 1: And that way I can come back hyper focused family, 1388 01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:16,000 Speaker 1: get everybody in good graces again, and then burn all 1389 01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:20,080 Speaker 1: the bridges off on another western hunt and then come 1390 01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,320 Speaker 1: back and start the healing process all over again. And 1391 01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,040 Speaker 1: it sounds like a stressful way to live. Well, I mean, 1392 01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,400 Speaker 1: the A T A show is coming up next week 1393 01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:33,479 Speaker 1: and I got well ship. I'll be traveling one day, 1394 01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,519 Speaker 1: and I got meetings when I get in, I got 1395 01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,280 Speaker 1: three days of meetings, and then I got another day 1396 01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,800 Speaker 1: to travel back. So again, I can already feel the 1397 01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:46,880 Speaker 1: stress in the family knowing that she's gonna be solo 1398 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:52,280 Speaker 1: for that many days. And I don't know, it's not 1399 01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:55,680 Speaker 1: only is it like, not only is it stress that 1400 01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:57,439 Speaker 1: she has to do it with, but it's stress that 1401 01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,360 Speaker 1: I have to deal with two you know what I mean? 1402 01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,599 Speaker 1: Like that stress carries, and so I have to find 1403 01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:06,040 Speaker 1: ways to make that stress either go away or find 1404 01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:11,160 Speaker 1: ways to reduce the stress. And you know, I don't know, man, Yeah, 1405 01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,280 Speaker 1: well this is a big theme of our whole episode. 1406 01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:19,519 Speaker 1: It sounds like his uh, his family and balance, um, 1407 01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,840 Speaker 1: anything else you do differently, I've got two more on 1408 01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:25,479 Speaker 1: my side. Let me see, I think from a you know, 1409 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:30,200 Speaker 1: from an actual I don't know. I just I feel 1410 01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:36,040 Speaker 1: like two thousand nineteen is gonna almost be Yes, I'm 1411 01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,719 Speaker 1: gonna take these trips and I'm gonna still deer hunt, 1412 01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:43,160 Speaker 1: but it's gonna be a secondary focus for me. Hunting 1413 01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:47,240 Speaker 1: is I'm gonna do it. It's my passion, but I'm 1414 01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,000 Speaker 1: not going to be concerned with the outcomes as I 1415 01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:53,720 Speaker 1: am as in the investment of the Sportsman's Nation, you 1416 01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:57,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So like it's gonna be very 1417 01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:01,240 Speaker 1: work oriented. Two thousand nineteen is so basically you're telling 1418 01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:03,800 Speaker 1: me that our podcasts are gonna be really boring next 1419 01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,320 Speaker 1: year because every update's gonna be well, I spent seven 1420 01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:11,280 Speaker 1: hours on my computer, more like fourteen, but he's counting, 1421 01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,439 Speaker 1: all right, Well, all right, I'll try to I'll try 1422 01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:17,599 Speaker 1: to make up the difference trying to I'm gonna I'm 1423 01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:22,600 Speaker 1: still gonna hunt, right, but it's gonna be like I 1424 01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:24,679 Speaker 1: don't know, you know, like if the weather conditions aren't 1425 01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:26,360 Speaker 1: good to hunt, I'm not going to force it anymore, 1426 01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Just save it, save it 1427 01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,559 Speaker 1: for the right the right time, the right conditions, and 1428 01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:35,360 Speaker 1: if it's not good, just don't go out. Yeah. Yeah, 1429 01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,920 Speaker 1: I mean, hey, I understand that for sure. I've been 1430 01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,760 Speaker 1: in the same same shoes and that's that's typically how 1431 01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,080 Speaker 1: I operate to UM. Interestingly, though, one of the things 1432 01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:46,720 Speaker 1: I want to do differently, and this is something that 1433 01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:48,760 Speaker 1: I talked about doing last year didn't do a good 1434 01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,519 Speaker 1: enough job because I kind of I thought this other 1435 01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,800 Speaker 1: property was gonna solve this problem, but it didn't. So 1436 01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,400 Speaker 1: I talked about the fact one of my big goals 1437 01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,720 Speaker 1: this year is to get more local spots UM. The 1438 01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:01,720 Speaker 1: second part of that change is that I want to 1439 01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:05,719 Speaker 1: take my scouting to the next level. UM, like really 1440 01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,760 Speaker 1: put in a whole bunch more time this year. Like 1441 01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:09,680 Speaker 1: I just talked to more and more of these of 1442 01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:13,920 Speaker 1: these people that are super consistent, you know, like my 1443 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,160 Speaker 1: buddy Andy just I mean, he just is a scouting machine, 1444 01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,280 Speaker 1: and I think I need to crank that up for 1445 01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,760 Speaker 1: myself a little bit more so, just just doing a 1446 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,719 Speaker 1: better job. Like every year, I go into each season 1447 01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:26,280 Speaker 1: like saying I want to do this and do that, 1448 01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:28,320 Speaker 1: and and every year I do a little better but 1449 01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,720 Speaker 1: never hit quite the goal I set for myself. Well, 1450 01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:32,760 Speaker 1: this year, I want to crank it up again as 1451 01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,160 Speaker 1: far as finding more properties, fixing more of these off 1452 01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,080 Speaker 1: season tweaks, just getting more and more detail oriented. I'm 1453 01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:42,559 Speaker 1: definitely fine tuning things i've I've I've definitely reached a 1454 01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,800 Speaker 1: level of comfort with a lot of my setups, so 1455 01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:46,599 Speaker 1: a lot of the places I do know that I hunt. 1456 01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,760 Speaker 1: I've got a much better idea of how I like 1457 01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:52,360 Speaker 1: to approach new properties. I'm definitely getting better at picking 1458 01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,960 Speaker 1: out spots in a new area. Like I've I've pretty 1459 01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:57,599 Speaker 1: much demonstrated to myself now that I can come into 1460 01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,280 Speaker 1: a new spot and have a decent chance of figuring 1461 01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:02,320 Speaker 1: it out and feeling and feeling comfortable with that. But 1462 01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,320 Speaker 1: I just want to keep tweaking it, minimizing the mistakes, 1463 01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,639 Speaker 1: getting better at scouting in the off season, and then 1464 01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,120 Speaker 1: also really getting comfortable with like in season scouting So, 1465 01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:14,240 Speaker 1: for example, I want to start paying attention to tracks more. 1466 01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,200 Speaker 1: I haven't done a good enough job of that, but 1467 01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:18,200 Speaker 1: that's something I think I can focus it on. I 1468 01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,479 Speaker 1: can key in on that a little bit better. UM. 1469 01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,840 Speaker 1: And then the big thing, well, I don't know if 1470 01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:28,439 Speaker 1: it's the big thing, but another big thing is going 1471 01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:32,320 Speaker 1: back to archery and UM taking what I tried to 1472 01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,559 Speaker 1: do this past year, which was trying to start UM 1473 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,960 Speaker 1: developing a back tension style shot sequence. But I tried 1474 01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,559 Speaker 1: to do that with a finger in the next Finger release, 1475 01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:46,439 Speaker 1: and that I thought was working better, but I got 1476 01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:48,400 Speaker 1: into the season and I found myself still making a 1477 01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:52,120 Speaker 1: couple of mistakes with it. So this year I'm breaking 1478 01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:55,320 Speaker 1: down everything and started from the ground up again. So 1479 01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:59,559 Speaker 1: I bought an actual tension style release. So there's no 1480 01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,160 Speaker 1: trigger punch, there's no thumb button to push, there's no way, 1481 01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,320 Speaker 1: there's no way to release my bow except to pull 1482 01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:10,280 Speaker 1: through and UM. So that's what I've got the release. 1483 01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,360 Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna start working with it and that will 1484 01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,439 Speaker 1: hopefully make a big difference for me this year, and 1485 01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,519 Speaker 1: I'm sure i'll I'll share everything that happens with that, 1486 01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:20,800 Speaker 1: But but really just want to keep on trying to 1487 01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:24,160 Speaker 1: find ways to minimize any chances of air when it 1488 01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,680 Speaker 1: comes to my bow hunts, and just constantly trying to 1489 01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:28,519 Speaker 1: get better. So that's that's gonna be a big way 1490 01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:31,160 Speaker 1: to do it. Hopefully we need to pause again here 1491 01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,040 Speaker 1: one last time to think our partners at Onyx and 1492 01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:36,720 Speaker 1: Onyx is the producer of the Onyx Hunt app. That 1493 01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,840 Speaker 1: is the mobile application that I'm using to get my 1494 01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:41,760 Speaker 1: maps when I'm out there hunting, whether it be in 1495 01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,479 Speaker 1: public land or private land. It shows me the property borders, 1496 01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,240 Speaker 1: it shows me public land, it shows me I don't know. 1497 01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,400 Speaker 1: I can measure distances in areas, I can mark way points, um, 1498 01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,760 Speaker 1: I can share way points with friends. And you know, 1499 01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:55,240 Speaker 1: one of the things I've been talking about here a 1500 01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,000 Speaker 1: lot recently is the fact that I want to get 1501 01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:00,479 Speaker 1: access to more properties this year, and I'm gonna be 1502 01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:04,439 Speaker 1: using Onyx exclusively probably to do that, because I need 1503 01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:07,519 Speaker 1: to figure out who owns certain properties, which properties are 1504 01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,000 Speaker 1: broken into which parcels, and then who owns those so 1505 01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:12,200 Speaker 1: that then when I go to do my door knocking 1506 01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,760 Speaker 1: this spring, I'm gonna know, Okay, this property is owned 1507 01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,519 Speaker 1: by Mr Johnson, and this property is owned by Mr 1508 01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,880 Speaker 1: Smith and this property is owned by Mr Whatever. And 1509 01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,080 Speaker 1: I can put together this whole list of properties, go 1510 01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:24,720 Speaker 1: find their addresses, and a lot of times you can 1511 01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:26,840 Speaker 1: get the address right there on Onyx when you click 1512 01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,760 Speaker 1: on the property owner information, I know exactly where to go, 1513 01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,360 Speaker 1: knock on their door, know their name, no, their property borders. 1514 01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,560 Speaker 1: Everything I need is right there. So it's a tremendous 1515 01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:37,040 Speaker 1: tool if you were out there trying to get some 1516 01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,560 Speaker 1: new private land access. Then of course, if you just 1517 01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:42,320 Speaker 1: want to hunt public, it's gonna show you all that too. 1518 01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:44,640 Speaker 1: So check out on x if you're interested, over at 1519 01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,559 Speaker 1: the mobile app store of your choice or onyx maps 1520 01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:52,000 Speaker 1: dot com. That's awesome. That's awesome. I I need to 1521 01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:55,439 Speaker 1: do the same thing, man, just I mean, I love 1522 01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:57,600 Speaker 1: bow hunting and I'm still not where I need to 1523 01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,920 Speaker 1: be as a so I mean there's always room for 1524 01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:05,800 Speaker 1: improvement there. Do you. I know you tried it last year, right, um, 1525 01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,400 Speaker 1: two years ago. I tried it two this year. I 1526 01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:12,559 Speaker 1: had no like, just no time. It was a miracle 1527 01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,240 Speaker 1: that I even got my both sided in before this, 1528 01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:18,760 Speaker 1: before I started hunting on that Elk trip. So, so 1529 01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,479 Speaker 1: what do you anticipate for this year. I just, dude, 1530 01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:27,040 Speaker 1: we time management is a huge thing. And I like 1531 01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,559 Speaker 1: working every single day at my job and then working 1532 01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:35,240 Speaker 1: at home for multiple hours and then you know what, 1533 01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:40,080 Speaker 1: when like, right now it's too light, it's dark to shoot, right. 1534 01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:41,960 Speaker 1: I got like ten minutes after I get out of 1535 01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:45,080 Speaker 1: here to maybe go shoot some marrows, but I can't 1536 01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:48,360 Speaker 1: because I haven't been home all day and I have 1537 01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,439 Speaker 1: instantly come home. I come here and I spend an 1538 01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:53,840 Speaker 1: hour and a half, two hours in here. Then I 1539 01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,360 Speaker 1: get out and now my kids are like, Daddy, what 1540 01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:59,080 Speaker 1: are you gonna do? So I have to play with them, right, 1541 01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:04,799 Speaker 1: and then it's dark, So I don't know time manage, 1542 01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,080 Speaker 1: I will say. And this is just as much me 1543 01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,560 Speaker 1: saying this to me as it is to you, um, 1544 01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,360 Speaker 1: but just paying like Devil's advocate as a friend giving 1545 01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:17,599 Speaker 1: you a helpful nudge. Here. Just don't forget how shitty 1546 01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:22,160 Speaker 1: it was in November when you had that situation and 1547 01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,639 Speaker 1: you didn't think you're going to find that buck, and 1548 01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:30,479 Speaker 1: and remember that because it might be worth trying to 1549 01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:32,519 Speaker 1: wake up fifteen minutes early in the morning. And then 1550 01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,760 Speaker 1: again I'm saying this, I'm preaching to myself too. I 1551 01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,559 Speaker 1: needed I needed. I need to always remember that too 1552 01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,720 Speaker 1: and try to find that extra ten minutes. And I 1553 01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,760 Speaker 1: don't always do a good enough job, but I'm I'm 1554 01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,040 Speaker 1: trying to find some way to squeeze in that extra 1555 01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:48,880 Speaker 1: time because because of all the things we do, if 1556 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:52,840 Speaker 1: we can't if we can't make that final moment as 1557 01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:57,840 Speaker 1: as as ethical and quick and clean and as as 1558 01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:01,080 Speaker 1: removed from error as possibly we can, what are we 1559 01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,639 Speaker 1: What do we spend all this time doing? Anyways? So 1560 01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,680 Speaker 1: that's something I need to keep reminding myself of. And 1561 01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:12,200 Speaker 1: and uh, I'll be I'll be a friendly, annoying person 1562 01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:18,719 Speaker 1: who will budge you about that intense to fair. Um. 1563 01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:23,040 Speaker 1: So with that said, I don't know, man, that is 1564 01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:25,320 Speaker 1: what I've got on the books for nineteen as far 1565 01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:30,479 Speaker 1: as changes. Is there anything anything else in your mind? No, man, 1566 01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:31,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if you can hear it or not. 1567 01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:37,880 Speaker 1: But the uh, the time limit for this podcast is over. Yeah, man, 1568 01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,320 Speaker 1: I had to. I had to shut the microphone off 1569 01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,439 Speaker 1: to yell at my kids to not stop pounding on 1570 01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:45,680 Speaker 1: the door. So I wish you kept it on. Do 1571 01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,639 Speaker 1: you remember that one time that Ava tried to come 1572 01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:49,640 Speaker 1: in and you had to like walk out of the 1573 01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,280 Speaker 1: room and give her spiel and I kept it in 1574 01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:54,680 Speaker 1: the podcast. That's that was one of my favorites. Or 1575 01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:59,320 Speaker 1: the time where the dog started barking and I didn't 1576 01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:01,000 Speaker 1: you threaten to kill it or something on the air, 1577 01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:04,479 Speaker 1: buried alive or something, I don't know. Those are always 1578 01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:07,600 Speaker 1: great moments. So uh yeah, let's wrap this one up 1579 01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:09,719 Speaker 1: so you can get out there and focus on what 1580 01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:12,800 Speaker 1: was both of our number one goals for nineteen, which 1581 01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:17,160 Speaker 1: is balancing family in jobs and hunting and all that stuff. 1582 01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:21,360 Speaker 1: So I think I think the only thing else worth 1583 01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:23,680 Speaker 1: saying is, Man, I just want to give you a 1584 01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:27,400 Speaker 1: big fist bump, congrats on a great season, and h 1585 01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:31,120 Speaker 1: here's the two thousand nine and that's a rap. Thank 1586 01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:33,519 Speaker 1: you guys for listening. A couple of little plugs. I 1587 01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:35,640 Speaker 1: haven't mentioned this in a while, but if you have 1588 01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,479 Speaker 1: not yet, if you're a relatively new listener and you 1589 01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:40,519 Speaker 1: have not yet gone over to iTunes and left a 1590 01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,639 Speaker 1: review of the wire Hunt podcast, man, that is a huge, 1591 01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,560 Speaker 1: huge help we had. I don't know what it is. 1592 01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,000 Speaker 1: I haven't checked in a while, but more than two 1593 01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,880 Speaker 1: thousand reviews. Almost all of those are five stars. It's 1594 01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,639 Speaker 1: it's such a It's such an honor that so many 1595 01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:56,120 Speaker 1: people are enjoying this. I appreciate that so much. But 1596 01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:58,160 Speaker 1: if you haven't shared your feedback yet, we would love 1597 01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:02,160 Speaker 1: to see it. Also. Final plug, if you haven't checked 1598 01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:04,920 Speaker 1: out my video of of that Frank hunt that I 1599 01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,400 Speaker 1: was talking about, I definitely would recommend doing that. You 1600 01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,439 Speaker 1: head over to the wired dot YouTube channel to watch. 1601 01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:13,360 Speaker 1: What was it? I think a pretty darn cool story. 1602 01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,280 Speaker 1: I was really happy with it. Um just just a 1603 01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,960 Speaker 1: special year and I think that um My buddy Wade 1604 01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,639 Speaker 1: did a really nice job of editing it together, and 1605 01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:24,240 Speaker 1: um it tells a compelling story. So check it out. 1606 01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:27,040 Speaker 1: Check out the wire dont YouTube channel. Subscribe there, subscribe 1607 01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,880 Speaker 1: to this podcast, and I will stop asking you to 1608 01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:33,920 Speaker 1: do things now and I will simply focus on thanking 1609 01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:36,519 Speaker 1: you for spending this time with us today. If you're 1610 01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:40,360 Speaker 1: still hunting, keep at I keep seeing people laying down 1611 01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:43,559 Speaker 1: box on Instagram and Facebook. There's still success to be had. 1612 01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,559 Speaker 1: And for the rest of us, it's scouting season. It's 1613 01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,240 Speaker 1: time to get excited for shed hunting and uh all 1614 01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,320 Speaker 1: sorts of good stuff like that. So thank you again 1615 01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:53,679 Speaker 1: and stay Wired to Hunt.