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Speaker 2: I'll give you the idea I threw out. I said, Listen,

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Speaker 2: one of their children the executor of their will. That's

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Speaker 2: but he's smart. I trust Stan Crounky when he says

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna hire a thirty year old head coach the

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Speaker 2: Chicago Bears with Marcus Freeman, I think for and could

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Speaker 2: be the Sean McVay. I don't trust the Bears to

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Speaker 2: make that call. Mike McCarthy is safe, will write the

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Speaker 2: McCarthy to me feels safe. I don't trust them with

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Speaker 2: a will, just just basically, you know. So there's my

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Speaker 1: No, You're not nuts. McCarthy is safe. This is a

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Speaker 1: Caleb Kingdom to a guy who it really bothers me,

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Speaker 1: Like he only won one Super Bowl with Aaron Rodney

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Speaker 1: you should dare to be great. Could you do worse

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Speaker 1: than Mike McCarthy, obviously, of course, But it feels like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like that.

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Speaker 1: Restore credibility. He's got a ring. He will bring in

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Speaker 1: a culture. There aren't many coaches who have even gotten

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Speaker 1: three opportunities in the NFL, much less been successful on

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Speaker 1: their third opportunity in the NFL. So I find the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, it's funny. I was talking about

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Speaker 2: People think there's a salary cap, so everybody's playing by

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean this is something I know Stan

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Speaker 2: on offensive linemen. Great gms have missed on offensive linemen.

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Speaker 2: to the NFL hosting the Vikings Rams, you know again

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Speaker 2: so it's interesting because I'm gonna spend more time in

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. McCarthy has a high floor.

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Speaker 1: I just personally think he has a low ceiling. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So there's that. But to me, that is just damning

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Speaker 2: The Rams at the Eagles, Ravens at the Bills here

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Speaker 2: we go are the highlight get those are the Sunday games. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Commanders are fascinating. Jayden Daniels is Andrew Luck maybe even

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Speaker 2: Ben Johnson. With extra time to prepare, they'll bring out

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Speaker 2: The Eagles meanwhile, played very poorly in one, which you

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Speaker 2: practice so that Philadelphia will not play that poorly. Hurts

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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurt separates more from his concussion. Remember, historically players

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Speaker 2: in every game that has mattered this year at home,

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't like this. I don't like us agreeing

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Speaker 2: How about this though, But I did say it this year.

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Speaker 2: So you know, you and Nick are very good at

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Speaker 2: this gambling stuff. And you're both kind of Mathew. That's

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Speaker 2: why Nick's so good at poker. And I would presume

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Speaker 1: I mean I've played a lot of poker. That yeah.

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Speaker 2: it is seeing cultural changes in sports and theorizing what

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Speaker 2: winner of each division had the quarterback that played the

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Speaker 2: like the NBA, a very small elite four or five teams,

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Speaker 1: It's so funny you bring this up because Nick would

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Speaker 2: I love dogs. I loved my whole life.

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Speaker 1: Of course, so do I. Of course you should. It's

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Speaker 1: of business and cover those spreads. Favorites crushed this year,

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Speaker 2: So I have pivoting to the NBA. I have Adam

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Speaker 1: It be such a great interview spot for you? To me,

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Speaker 2: suggested sudden death. I don't think that's the answer because

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Speaker 2: it is a star driven league and I don't want

431
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Speaker 2: to star in a bad referee call bouch from the playoffs.

432
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Speaker 2: But I would go three games first round, five game, second,

433
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Speaker 2: five game, Conference final, seven final, And I think I

434
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Speaker 2: think that creates some urgency. That means if a guy

435
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Speaker 2: gets banged up and is gonna miss two games and

436
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: you're the favorite, like Jalen Brown gets banged up, and

437
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 2: you're like, at half of one game, Okay, he's not

438
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 2: coming back until game four, It's like, whoa, that could

439
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Speaker 2: be an elimination game. I feel like now you can

440
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: literally there are games in the NBA laughs, like game

441
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: three for the team trailing zero to two is just perfunctory.

442
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: It's the obligatory. Okay, home team will hold, serve, they'll

443
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Speaker 2: win a close one or even a blowout, and then

444
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: by game four, the favorite then hammers. And I think

445
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Speaker 2: anytime sports has games that I feel like I know

446
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: the outcome going in. That's why the twelve team college

447
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: football Playoff. One of the things to be concerned about

448
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: is the first round. When you get a Boise State

449
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: going to Ohio State. That's just like a game in

450
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: September that doesn't get me to a TV. And I

451
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Speaker 2: think a lot of this is just the greed of

452
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Speaker 2: owners and the expansion of sports, the NFL has no

453
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Speaker 2: reason to extend. I could argue you could shrink it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's the revenues from television alone. You don't

455
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Speaker 2: even need stadium attendance now. But I think this is

456
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Speaker 2: the reality is you've got arena contracts, you've got owners

457
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Speaker 2: who just don't want to give up the capitol.

458
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Speaker 1: No, that's the thing. No one will give up the inventory.

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Speaker 1: But you say they wouldn't do single elimination, And it's

460
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Speaker 1: the same thing, right, because seven games on TV is

461
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Speaker 1: more valuable than one game on TV. And you say

462
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Speaker 1: you don't want to have a bad call bounce a team. Why,

463
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Speaker 1: Like it happens in March Madness, it happens in the

464
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Speaker 1: NFL playoffs, it happens in the best tournaments, the College

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Speaker 1: football playoff. It just it doesn't happen in baseball, basketball,

466
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Speaker 1: and hockey and college football. March Madness and the Super

467
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Speaker 1: Bowl are more popular than all three of those sports postseasons.

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Speaker 1: So I would be very interested if they said, like,

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00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: all right, twenty twenty nine, everyone's got plenty of time

470
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Speaker 1: to adjust and prepare. TV networks figure it out, charge

471
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Speaker 1: your ad rates whatever. It's a single elimination postseason, because

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Speaker 1: what would happen, I honestly don't know. Would if you

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Speaker 1: got ten million people for an NBA Finals game, but

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Speaker 1: it was a single elimination NBA Finals, would thirty five

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Speaker 1: million people watch? I don't know the answer to that. Like,

476
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Speaker 1: I gotta think more people would watch fewer games, And

477
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Speaker 1: I'd be interested to know what the economics of it

478
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Speaker 1: would be. And I know it would get people talking

479
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Speaker 1: and it would be interesting. But the other thing it's

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Speaker 1: such a cool spot they of Silver is he is

481
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: a He is clearly like a progressive player friendly commissioner.

482
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Speaker 1: And the players trust the owners in the NBA more

483
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: than any other league. Right, They've got a true partnership.

484
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: I feel like they should exploit it more. And exploit

485
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: has a negative connotation. But it took baseball a lot

486
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Speaker 1: to do the pitch clock and to make some rules changes.

487
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Speaker 1: Just change some rules, don't change the court in the

488
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Speaker 1: nd season tournament. Let's try in season tournament games were

489
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Speaker 1: ing with international rules. In season tournament games, we're playing

490
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Speaker 1: with no corner three. In season tournament games, we're playing

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Speaker 1: with thirty foot three point line. Like if one of

492
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Speaker 1: eighty two doesn't matter let's experiment with regular season games

493
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: and tinker with some rules. Let's say for the month

494
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Speaker 1: of January. You know, the Kirk Goldsbery idea, Like each

495
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: team gets to draw their own three point line. So

496
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: the Warriors three point line is one thing, the Nuggets

497
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: is another one, Portland's is another one, Chicago's is another one.

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Speaker 1: Maybe one team has no three point line altogether if

499
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Speaker 1: they're a bad three point shooting team, Like, yeah, like,

500
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Speaker 1: experiment a little bit more with your product to see

501
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Speaker 1: what you can change to maximize it, because I feel

502
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Speaker 1: like some of the things that they do is like

503
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Speaker 1: we're gonna change the All Star game format.

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Speaker 2: That's yeah, nobody cares.

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Speaker 1: Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Like, how do you change the

506
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Speaker 1: game to make it so that I get the math?

507
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Speaker 1: I get it, Well, three is more than two. I

508
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: understand it's fifty percent more than two. But you your

509
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: sport has a fundamental viewership problem. If it's not a

510
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: good idea for Anthony Edwards to try to dunk. He's

511
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Speaker 1: one of the greatest athletes in the world, and he'll

512
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Speaker 1: take ten to fifteen threes a game, Like it's nothing.

513
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: You want him attacking the basket so I just I

514
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Speaker 1: would really love to talk to him about how radical

515
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Speaker 1: of ideas are you willing to try for a product

516
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Speaker 1: that economically is not broken. But I feel like for

517
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Speaker 1: those of us who love the sport would say that

518
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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, aesthetically. I again, I don't start really diving into

520
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: the NBA until I would say almost after this weekend

521
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Speaker 2: and you get down to a couple of games. Now

522
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Speaker 2: I'll watch twenty minutes. I watch thirty minutes the other

523
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Speaker 2: day on a treadmill. I do a lot of that stuff.

524
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Speaker 2: But a lot of times when I get home, starting

525
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: in about a week, at four o'clock four thirty, altern

526
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: on an NBA game, and I'll make dinner and eat dinner,

527
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Speaker 2: and I'll watch the first half of an NBA game.

528
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: I'll try to pick a different team or good teams

529
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: every night. So that's kind of how I start. Then

530
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Speaker 2: the NFL season ends and now I start watching games.

531
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Speaker 2: But that four to thirty window West Coast, I'll watch

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Speaker 2: an NBA game. By the way, as I have a

533
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: place in Chicago, I'm a Bull season ticket holder, so

534
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: you know it's I like going to the events. I

535
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: like it too. I think the utter thing that some

536
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: of these things. No league is perfect. I do think

537
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Speaker 2: the NFL baseball is a bit burdened by its past.

538
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: It's very much about history and lore, and the NBA isn't.

539
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: I mean, the truth is, it's you know, when Jackie

540
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: Moon the movie was made, I mean, that's kind of

541
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: a realistic, funny look at the old ABA. It was

542
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: like colorful and weird, and it's not something that anybody

543
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: really cares about. Spencer Haywood's stats right with the Sonics,

544
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: so you can experiment, like baseball freaks out about the

545
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: Golden Bat, and I understand the purist that says it

546
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: screws up with all the numbers. But my take is,

547
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: you had cattle steroids for ten years. Let's get over

548
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: the numbers. Steroids in a weird way allows you to

549
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: be more progressive today with your rules. But I don't

550
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: think the NBA is burdened by that at all. I

551
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: don't think the NFL or hockey is is that, you know,

552
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: just change stuff and make it better. And I also

553
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: think that of all the sports that are in connect

554
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: have some connectivity with tech, and maybe it's the Warriors'

555
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: popularity in the Bay Area. There's just tech people everywhere

556
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: is that that Silicon Valley is almost notable, almost proud

557
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: of the fact that you know, Angel investors back twenty percent.

558
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: They might as well be Babe Ruth, like you take

559
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: big swings and you miss on a lot. That's just

560
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: that's built into the cake of Angel investing. So I

561
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: do think the NBA is not burdened by any of

562
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: the history in the records. Nobody cares. I don't know

563
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: how many points Michael Jordan's gord and I don't care.

564
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Speaker 1: Do you? So do you think it's on the board

565
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: that because because this would fundamentally solve it, because the

566
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Speaker 1: three point issue is a math issue. Like it's boring,

567
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: but it's a math issue. Right, Three is fifty percent

568
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: more than two. So if you shoot thirty three percent

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Speaker 1: from three, that is the ev expected value equivalent of

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Speaker 1: shooting fifty percent from two. And they can train a

571
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Speaker 1: lot of guys to shoot thirty five percent from three.

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Speaker 1: Right That's that's like the very basic simplified version of

573
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Speaker 1: the math. So if you made threes worth four and

574
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Speaker 1: two's worth three, the math changes like the three the

575
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Speaker 1: four pointer would not be fifty percent more valuable than

576
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Speaker 1: the three pointer. It would be thirty three percent more

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Speaker 1: valuable than the three pointer.

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Speaker 2: You would see a lot less threes, But that would

579
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Speaker 2: that feel. So there's there are lines where you don't

580
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: want to feel like you don't want to annihilate or

581
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Speaker 2: erase all your history.

582
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Speaker 1: But you just said that they're not burdened by it.

583
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Speaker 2: Well, they're not burdened by it, but there is a

584
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Speaker 2: top ten all time scoring list that does matter. That's

585
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Speaker 2: the one we all know. It's like, oh, okay, it's

586
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 2: Lebron and it's and it's Kareem and it's Malone, and yeah,

587
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: there are I don't want to annihilate history, but I'm

588
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: not paralyzed by it. I think that would annihilate history.

589
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: It would, but it's a it's like a catch twenty two, right,

590
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 1: like do you want to solve the problem that solves

591
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Speaker 1: the problem.

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00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. You know what, there's there's so many

593
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 2: lines in the sand. It's like it's like anything else.

594
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: It's like, let's say you had an ex wife. It

595
00:34:53,880 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: would be one thing to if she got if she

596
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: won the lottery, to text her and go, hey, congratulations.

597
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: It'd be another thing to text her if you were

598
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Speaker 2: married and say I was just thinking about you. I'm

599
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: going out Friday. It's like, well, it's text and you

600
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: obviously thought about her. With both texts, one feels a

601
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: little over the line. Yeah, so like yeah, so it's like,

602
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: you know, it's one of those things where I am

603
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: for new stuff. I am mister move bulldoze history.

604
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: But there are.

605
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Speaker 2: Lines in sports, and I think the top ten all

606
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: time scoring list is a line that should be protected.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, And I, by the way, like I don't

608
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Speaker 1: even I don't fundamentally disagree with that. I just then

609
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: I want to know what the smartest people are doing

610
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: to solve it, right, Like the first step of admitting

611
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: the first step of solving any problem is admitting you

612
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: have one. I could understand why thirty billionaires just sign

613
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: record just locked in record setting stupid ten figure revenue

614
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: for the next decade for their business, and they're like,

615
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: what are you guys talking about? Problem with the NBA?

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00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: You know, I could I think that would be a

617
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: totally reasonable stance for Jerry Reinsdorf or who, Steve Balmer

618
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: or whomever, good owner, bad owner, young old tech, old

619
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Speaker 1: money inherited business evant whatever to be like Buddy this

620
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: is a business. We my franchise just goes up and

621
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: up and up in value. I get offers every day

622
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: for it. There are more people that you know, more

623
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: billionaires than teams. It's a vanity thing. It makes me cool. Well,

624
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: it gives me an identity. What are you talking about

625
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: that there's an issue with my sport because they look

626
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: at it like a business. So yeah, I don't know.

627
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: If the NBA agrees with me that they have a

628
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: problem like so, then they're not going to do anything

629
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: radical to solve it.

630
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 2: One of the stories this week that it's interesting. So

631
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: at the Eagles Packers game, a very obnoxious Eagles fan

632
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 2: said some vile things to a woman who is a

633
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: Packer fan sitting below. The vile Eagle fan is not

634
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: the sharpest tool in the shed. There was somebody by

635
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: her filming him, and he didn't recognize that. That didn't

636
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: resonate with him, which is if somebody's filming you at

637
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: a game and you're punching somebody or or you're saying

638
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: horrible things to somebody and you have a really good

639
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: corporate job, may want to scale back. I mean that

640
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: he couldn't identify that speaks to his sort of lack

641
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: of self awareness. But the Internet, as it's prone to do,

642
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: and I don't have a problem with the internet. Doing

643
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Speaker 2: this highlighted his really bad behavior, repugnant behavior. Well, his

644
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: company saw it and fired him, and I just wanted

645
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: to see the remarks from fans, and fans said, well,

646
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 2: why didn't you confront him instead of taking a picture,

647
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 2: to which I would say, he could be a UFC fighter,

648
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: he could be a drunk, he could have a knife

649
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,479
Speaker 2: in his pocket. You don't know what you're getting into

650
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: at a stadium, you have no idea. A lot of

651
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: these guys that are they're drunk and they want to

652
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: get into a fight. And it's like, I'm with my wife.

653
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: I don't want you to disrupt me. Your bad behavior

654
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: is not going to change my behavior. I'll just make

655
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: sure you get in trouble. So I don't have a

656
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: problem just saying, could be in a security here, you

657
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 2: take care of I'm not a security guard. Stadiums have him,

658
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 2: you know, And a lot of people push back, well,

659
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: he shouldn't lose his job. And I had this belief

660
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: and I still kind of believe it, but I used

661
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 2: to talk about it all the time I think about

662
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 2: it in my first book. There are two types of guys,

663
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: job guy and career guy. Career guy it's a stigma

664
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: to get into a fight. You're a law partner, you're

665
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: an executive, you do something that's public, usually you have

666
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: things to protect. Job guy is like you could go

667
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: into the warehouse and go, hey, I got into a

668
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 2: fight at the Eagles game and deck this guy. It'd

669
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: be a badge of honor to some job guy. So

670
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: it's always remarkable to me when it's a corporate guy

671
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: doing it, and I do feel bad that he would

672
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: lose his job, But for some reason, for whatever reason,

673
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 2: I don't feel too bad that if you're a schmuck

674
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: and you're taped and people don't want to confront you

675
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: in the moment and you lose your job, even if

676
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: you're married with kids, should I feel worse about it

677
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: than I do Because I'm kind of glad he lost

678
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: his job.

679
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: I will not spend one minute feeling sorry for that guy. Sorry, Like, no,

680
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: what I should he lose his job?

681
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 3: No?

682
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: But is it okay that he did? Yeah? You know

683
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, actions have consequences, And by the way,

684
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: he didn't look hammered. He didn't sound hammered. He was

685
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: just like, very calmly saying horrible, disgusting, vile things to

686
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: a woman on camera unapologetically because she was rooting for

687
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: a different set of laundry. It's ridiculous, it's ridiculous behavior.

688
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: So no, I don't like celebrate that he lost his job.

689
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not celebrating again, No, not at all.

690
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: Not at all. I wouldn't try to pile on of

691
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: the losing of his job. But what I felt about

692
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: that video was that it is so much worse than

693
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: a fight at a sporting event. Yeah, I can kind

694
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: of understand, Like I don't condone fighting at sporting events obviously,

695
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: but like you root for the Red Sox, you root

696
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: for the Yankees. It's seventeen dollars beer night and we've

697
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: had a dozen of them, and you say something, and

698
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: I say something in machismo and testosterone and you get

699
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: into a fight, Like it's not good. But sports are primal.

700
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: I say, less hate in the world, more Hayden sports.

701
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: So like sometimes that sports hate that I condone and like,

702
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: and it leads to rivalries in trash talk and spinning

703
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: a ball in a guy's face and taunting penalties and

704
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 1: pushing and shoving like I can't then be completely offended

705
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: when a fan doesn't so like a sports fight among fans,

706
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: I don't love it, but it doesn't really bother me

707
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: that it happens. It's just like cost of doing business.

708
00:41:55,120 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: That is just subhuman. Yeah, you know what I mean.

709
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: It's just overt cruelty.

710
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

711
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: So I don't feel bad for that guy at all.

712
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: If he would have been twelve shots deep, slurn his words,

713
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: punched someone that gets caught on camera and he gets

714
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: fired for that, I would honestly feel way worse for him.

715
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah he did, And maybe that is completely logically inconsistent,

716
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: but that video was appalling, and sorry, man, you've got

717
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: to live with the consequences of your actions. We're not

718
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: imprisoning you for it. A private company fired you because

719
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: they were embarrassed to employ you because you acted like

720
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: a jackass. That's life.

721
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 2: Okay, here's another curve ball, all right, Jerry Jones. Yeah,

722
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: goes on a very popular show called Landman. It's very good,

723
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 2: Billy Bob Thornton.

724
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the show, but I saw the clip.

725
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a little like Yellowstone. It's sometimes it's

726
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: a little overwritten, like nobody's that clever ad libbing, you know,

727
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: or remember the movie Yeah, remember the movie Juno. You

728
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 2: know this like young Kid sounds like you know, Stephen

729
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 2: Colbert riffing off one liners. And I'm like, yeah, it's

730
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: a little over the top. So Landman's a little overwritten.

731
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: But Billy Bob Thornton sells the hell out of it

732
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: and it's good. So Jerry Jones makes an appearance on

733
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: it and does a remarkable job. And it goes back

734
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: to something years ago. I was at a party and

735
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: I don't go to a lot of these parties. I

736
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: probably been to three and eight years in LA and

737
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: there were some writers in Hollywood people, and one of

738
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: them was an acting coach, and I just asked him

739
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: about it. I said, you know, on average, you know,

740
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 2: how talented are they? He goes, never forget the stars

741
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 2: of Stranger Things are kids. It's just make believe. It

742
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: doesn't take extraordinary amounts of talent to act. And I thought, whoa,

743
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: he's an acting coach. Yeah yeah, And I'm like, I

744
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: don't think i'd be a good actor. But when Jerry

745
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: Jones did it, It took me back to that conversation

746
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: where he's like, yeah, seven year olds are literally gripping

747
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: on TV because they're good pretenders. A lot of people

748
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 2: play in the world of fantasy and pretending and dress up.

749
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 2: And so I want to just ask you this. Chicago's

750
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: known for Second City, a lot of really quality actors.

751
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: Could you act? Do you think it takes extraordinary skill? Like,

752
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: for instance, an eight year old couldn't be an astronaut

753
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: or a mayor, an eight year old couldn't be a

754
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: civil engineer. They can act? How much talent does it

755
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 2: take to act?

756
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: It takes an extraordinary amount of talent to be great?

757
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: You know, Daniel day Lewis has an extraordinary amount of talent, Okay,

758
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: Like I I do believe that. I believe that people

759
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: who can make you buy wide ranging characters over a

760
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: long period of time that do a lot of different

761
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: things and they're successful in a lot of different avenues

762
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: and venues, and then you can see them do like

763
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: Jamie Fox has an incredible amount of talent. Yeah, you know.

764
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: And now it's not just acting, right, it's it's music,

765
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: it's comedy, it's danced everything.

766
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he is hyper talented, but he sings, does

767
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 2: stand up. Like I've argued this for years of all performers,

768
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:56,479
Speaker 2: comedians are underrated. I mean Dave Dave Chappelle gets one take,

769
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: writes his own stuff, and I mean, yeah, performs it

770
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: one take.

771
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no question. I think, like anything, the

772
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: best of the best are incredibly talented but really good material.

773
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: That's why you listen to any podcast or interview with

774
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: these actors that are like, like, what do you judge it?

775
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: On the script, the writing, the director. There's there's no doubt.

776
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: Now could I don't want to be a two unfair,

777
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: but like could Luke Wilson have done Castaway? Like? No,

778
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: Like I don't. I think Tom Hanks has like a

779
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 1: certain amount of skill in gravitas to carry a two

780
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: hour and fifteen minute epic, whereas alone on an island,

781
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: you know, I think.

782
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 2: So you don't think Paul Shore could have done the Irishman?

783
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: I don't, Yeah, I don't. Like I think that there

784
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: is definitely some skill, but I think that there but

785
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: most of it is it's a it's a very collaborative

786
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: job that feels individualized. Like to be a great actor

787
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: you have to have a great script, a great so,

788
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: a great writer, a great director. You have to have producers.

789
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: It has to be well lit, it has to be

790
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: well shot, it has to be well budgeted. It has

791
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: to be There's a lot of things that have to

792
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: happen to make you look good and for you to

793
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: get the twenty million dollar paycheck. Whereas the stand up comedian,

794
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: the pen, the microphone, the venue like you're the talent,

795
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: the songwriter, the pen, the guitar, the microphone, the venue

796
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: like you are mostly like I think that it is

797
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: among the performing arts, it probably is the one that

798
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: requires the least amount of talent, but the best are

799
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: still great.

800
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 2: That makes musical talent. Musical talent is it's pretty extraordinary

801
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: to make you see like is it John Batiste the

802
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 2: amazed like you see it, it's amazing, Like I watched

803
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 2: them and I'm like, this is ai. This can't be real.

804
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: Well I was. I know nothing, Like I know nothing

805
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: about music. I will joke that, like I liked one

806
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: hundred percent of the concerts I've been to because everything

807
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: there's every single time I'm blown away that they're doing it.

808
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, this is unbelievable. Like I

809
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: did the recorder than the clarinet, and then I was

810
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: like just good enough with the clarinet to qualify and

811
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: to do saxophone in seventh grade. And at the performance

812
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: or the band recital or whatever, I was just like, oh,

813
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: these kids are just like way too good. And I

814
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: was just like pantomiming playing the saxophone, and I stopped,

815
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: and I was just like, you know, no one could tell,

816
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: like so like I don't have any musical ability whatsoever.

817
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: So it always blows my mind. Uh like good bad,

818
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: Oh that was a terrible show. I'm like, really, I

819
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: was like one of the most incredible things I've ever heard.

820
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: So I always think it's also funny when like sports

821
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: commentators or something all of a sudden become American idol

822
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: judges whenever we like perfect, Oh, that was a terrible

823
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: rendition of God bless America. Like, you have no idea

824
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: if that was a C flat or a B minor

825
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: or whatever the hell it is. So I am not

826
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Speaker 1: qualified to great music.

827
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 2: Okay, So we do sort of a broad sweeping podcast

828
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: on anything we want to talk about. So obviously the

829
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 2: fires in Los Angeles has been I mean, I lived

830
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 2: in Washington State, during Mount Saint Helens, but a couple

831
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 2: hours away. And this is the closest natural disaster. And

832
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 2: it's interesting. I have several opinions at opinions, and I

833
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: think two or three things can be true. I don't

834
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: think politics in California politics has helped firefighters in my opinion.

835
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 2: I do think the environmental mafia up in Sacramento can

836
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: be a roadblock to common sense. But I also think

837
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: when you have hurricane force wins and instead of rain

838
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: there's fire in it, there's nothing firefighters can do. It

839
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: would have burned five hundred homes or fifteen hundred homes.

840
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 2: There was nothing you can do if you go online

841
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: with a video. And I know palisades very well, narrow roads,

842
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: windy roads, wild topography, canyons, stuff just bounce, canyon and canyon.

843
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: There's nothing you could have done. And people say, well,

844
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 2: you shouldn't politicize it. But it is interesting, and I

845
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: think to myself, why not? Because in order to get

846
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: things done, powerful entities like Sacramento for instance, or a

847
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: powerful governor are rarely vulnerable. And there are these moments

848
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: in time when their policy or their direction makes citizens

849
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 2: vulnerable or at risk, and people are uncomfortable. You hear

850
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: this all the time. I can't believe you make that political,

851
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 2: And I would argue almost everything is up for political

852
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: discussion in a very tribal country. So I wasn't necessarily

853
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: put off by the politics. I just didn't agree with

854
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 2: a lot of the takes. I thought it was a

855
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Speaker 2: tsunami historically for wildfires at once. Don't You could have

856
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Speaker 2: had one hundred more fire trucks. Planes couldn't go in

857
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Speaker 2: the air for a day and a half because of

858
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Speaker 2: the wins, so you couldn't fight it. I think almost

859
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Speaker 2: everything is fair game politically, do you yes?

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Speaker 1: Of course, of course, I am not an expert on

861
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Speaker 1: fire fighting. I am not an expert on California. I

862
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Speaker 1: am not I all of those caveats aside, but there

863
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Speaker 1: are problems that are too big for a person or

864
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: group of people to address and solve, And like baseline,

865
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Speaker 1: overly simplified level, that's what government and politics is like.

866
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Speaker 1: People are like, oh, there was no water in the

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Speaker 1: fire hydrants. I'm like, okay, I don't know everything that

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Speaker 1: led to that, but I also know that when I

869
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Speaker 1: see a fire hydrant on the side of the road,

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Speaker 1: my expectation isn't that that can put out a wildfire,

871
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Speaker 1: that it can stop a house from burning down, right?

872
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Speaker 1: You know? So, Like I think that some of the

873
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: grand standing and the like, see I told you so,

874
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: and I was right, and it is this person's fault,

875
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: like that is just gross an oversimplification clearly of a disaster.

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Speaker 1: But if we can't talk about, hey, this happened, we

877
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Speaker 1: clearly didn't do a great job, you know what I mean,

878
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: Like this happened and we were not able to stop it.

879
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Speaker 2: And it happens regularly on an almost annual basis.

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Speaker 1: Well that's that's that's my point. This happened. We couldn't

881
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Speaker 1: stop it. It's going to happen again. No individual is

882
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: capable of stopping it. If an individual isn'tcapable of stopping it,

883
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: the next thing that you would turn to is the government.

884
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: So then it's politics. And that, by the way, is

885
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Speaker 1: a totally a political observation. Left right, pro newsome anti

886
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: Trump pro Trump. That that observation right there, I feel

887
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: like people on both sides of the aisle should just

888
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: obviously agree with how if this isn't a thing that

889
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: government and like tax dollars are supposed to go towards

890
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 1: solving Yeah, then why why do we have government? Again?

891
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Like, of course this is political, of.

892
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Speaker 2: Course, yeah, don't don't. Don't buy a house in Juno

893
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: if you don't like chili weather, and don't buy a

894
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: house in Phoenix if you're bothered by hot weather. Don't

895
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: be a politician. If you wanted to always be civil

896
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 2: and above board, it's gonna get it's gonna go sideways.

897
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Speaker 2: You're going to be attacked. That It's called politics, right,

898
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 2: Like that if you had a friend and I said,

899
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Speaker 2: you know, I like Danny, but he's very political, right,

900
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 2: that would be like a stigma. It's like, yeah, Danny's

901
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 2: the political one. It's politics. This is what it is.

902
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 2: So as everybody was, and I don't I don't even

903
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: consider this a political conversation. And because whenever political people

904
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 2: talk sports, I always think, oh, they sound so rudimentary

905
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: and so pedestrians, and so I know I don't have

906
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: you know, I read like everybody else, But I think

907
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 2: this is the time to attack a governor. This is

908
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 2: a time to attack a mayor. This is a time

909
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 2: to say, okay, this is a real crisis. Uh, why

910
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: weren't your policies better well.

911
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: And by the way, I don't know the answer. I'm

912
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: totally fine with independent review. Let some experts tell us

913
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Speaker 1: if they did a good job or not, or if

914
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: this could have been prevented with different policies that were

915
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: suggested and you got cheap on and voted down or

916
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Speaker 1: dismissed or whatever. Like I don't know. I don't know

917
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Speaker 1: who is at fault, But I think it's crazy to

918
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: suggest that politicians shouldn't be criticized or questioned when really

919
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: bad things happen, whether or not they are directly responsible

920
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: for it or not. And I mean, maybe this makes

921
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: it more political than you want to make it, but

922
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Speaker 1: like I feel the same way about mass shootings. Of

923
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: course we should talk about that in a political sense

924
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 1: when it comes to gun laws.

925
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Speaker 2: Or how about this, This isn't perfectly an now, but

926
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Speaker 2: if somebody, a sports figure, was a bully or did

927
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Speaker 2: bad things and he dies and people say, Bobby Knight

928
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Speaker 2: dies and people are critical of him the day dies

929
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Speaker 2: and people say that's disrespectful, and I'm like, well, time

930
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 2: out are you producing my show? Should I talk about

931
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Speaker 2: it six days from now? What's the time?

932
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Speaker 1: Looking on?

933
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 2: When I can talk about Bobby Knight's bad behavior. To me,

934
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 2: we produce a show. The only way to accumulate an

935
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 2: audience is talk about stuff people are talking about. Yeah,

936
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: so I'm not gonna have I always say this. I

937
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: don't mind if callers when I used to take them,

938
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Speaker 2: disagree with me. Don't try to produce my show. I'm

939
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 2: good at it. I know what I'm doing. I don't

940
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 2: try to produce your mortgage. You know your title company.

941
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Speaker 2: I'm not here to tell you how to do it.

942
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Speaker 2: And my take has always been Bobby Knight dies, that's

943
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Speaker 2: the day to be critical. That holds all of us

944
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Speaker 2: somewhat accountable to being better human beings.

945
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Speaker 1: I agree completely. Yeah, the idea of like don't speak

946
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: ill of the dead, Like, okay, if you want to

947
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: treat your aunt that way, fine, but if it's a

948
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: public figure, and that's that's what eulogies are for, like

949
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: like that, that's what their family is for. Like the

950
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: obituary is going to tell the life story. So I

951
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: completely agree with you. Now I think that obviously there

952
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: is good taste, you know, I don't. I didn't love

953
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: the President elect tweeting or truth socialing the Hollywood hills

954
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: burning with the Hollywood signs saying Trump was right, Like

955
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't think that was in particularly good taste.

956
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: I thought that was a bit of a troll when

957
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: thousands of people were fleeing their homes on the flip side,

958
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: just to like go to the other side of it.

959
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: Like do you remember when Hurricane Sandy obviously hit the

960
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: northeast and Chris Christie got crushed for greeting Obama with

961
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: a hug and a handshake, and he was like, wait

962
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: a minute, this doesn't have to be but he's coming

963
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: here to like visit victims and give federal dollars to

964
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: help rebuild. Like we can disagree politically, we're going to

965
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: try to agree on how to help people after a hurricane.

966
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: Like so I'm not saying that there is no room

967
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: for taste and decorum, but and this is callous. Four

968
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: months from now, if they're like, you gotta wait four

969
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: months until we can talk about it, something else will

970
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: be dominating the news cycle by that point, like it, right,

971
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, like unfortunately not for the people that lost

972
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: their homes like that, this will be something that impacts

973
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: them for years and years and years. Not that it's

974
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: still won't be a news story or relevant, and the

975
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: government will still be investigating and all that insurance claimed

976
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: and all the things. But like this is when our

977
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 1: attention is on it, so of course this is when

978
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: we should have at least the preliminary conversation on what

979
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: to do about it. I don't find it offensive at all.

980
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: The volume

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Speaker 2: M