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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Welcome to Orchard Park. Beautiful sunny

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. I'm John Murky. This

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Speaker 1: is Joe Pascalia, sports director at w KBWTV Channel seven

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Speaker 1: here in Buffalo in Ford. Steve Tasker, Welcome back, Joe.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to be back. It's one of those uh.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're in the We're in the fun part

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Speaker 1: much stuff going on. We're in the meat of the

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Speaker 1: off season. This is where everything happens. That's why Jay

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Speaker 1: the off season, and I'm thinking, man, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of offseason to go, and I still believe the draft

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Speaker 1: ten signings over the last week, the draft is more

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Speaker 1: important I think for a franchise, especially long term, than

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Speaker 1: even free agency. It's the most important offseason the end

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Speaker 1: of the year, I believe, yeah, oh for sure. And

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Speaker 1: Brandon being feels similarly. And when you have him saying

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Speaker 1: they're not going to let him. But that's how he

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Speaker 1: wants to build his team. He wants to draft, develop,

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Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, you can go out and sign a

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Speaker 1: there's there's just something about it where you kind of like,

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Speaker 1: that's that's your thing. It's your stamp on this franchise.

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Speaker 1: And that's why he feels so strongly about it, and

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Speaker 1: drafting well is difficult. It's hard. I wrote a piece

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Speaker 1: for our website it's up right now, about the end

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Speaker 1: the draft and talking about how many of the free

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Speaker 1: agent signees the Bills did last week we're projections, like

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Speaker 1: we think this guy can grow into this, we think

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Speaker 1: this guy has shown enough you know, and I got

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Speaker 1: at you try to get as many plays as you can,

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Speaker 1: but you gotta project. The draft is all projection, which

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Speaker 1: makes it even more difficult than free agency. It also

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Speaker 1: makes it fun because then you can start to really

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Speaker 1: go to bat for certain prospects you believe in. And

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Speaker 1: it's all about the traits that you believe in more

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Speaker 1: time of year so compelling. Because one person might like production,

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Speaker 1: There's also the school of thought that's saying, Okay, give

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Speaker 1: the show, Well, we'll give you the whole rundown twelve

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Speaker 1: live on the line at twelve thirty one o'clock. Armando

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Speaker 1: Armando has and he's not a proponent of tanking, but

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Speaker 1: tanking right, losing as much as they can this year.

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Speaker 1: Many people believe that they're tanking for tua to a

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Speaker 1: Yates from ESPN, who has says the Bills or one

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Speaker 1: it got us thinking today, does tanking work in the

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Speaker 1: National Football League? I don't know that it does. Joe

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Speaker 1: It's pretty simple question. You can interpret tanking anyway you want.

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Speaker 1: in the NFL? On Twitter, we raise that question, does

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Speaker 1: Does tanking work in the NFL? Can you deliberately lose

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Speaker 1: doesn't work well? I think there's different levels of the tank.

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Speaker 1: I think it's more complex than just saying, okay, is

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Speaker 1: tweets in tanking gives you three things one draft capital

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Speaker 1: for a quarterback, two cap space, three a chance to

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Speaker 1: find diamond and the rough players. Using two or three

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Speaker 1: of these things effectively immediately puts a team deep into

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. No, I don't think it does immediately puts

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Speaker 1: a team deep in the playoffs. However, well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: if the quarterback hits, it's sure as heck does. But

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Speaker 1: he's right in the fact that having being able to

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Speaker 1: capitalize on two of those three things drafting, getting the

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Speaker 1: draft capital, which, going back to our Bills discussion, is

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Speaker 1: what the Bills did, getting all that draft capital to

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Speaker 1: move up to get Josh Allen. The only reason why

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Speaker 1: they did it. But I hear you. They had character concerns,

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Speaker 1: they had culture concerns, sure, misfits, sure, but they also

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Speaker 1: they also took advantage of value on their roster to

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Speaker 1: put themselves in a position to go get Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: Same same deal with Corty Glenn. They didn't want Corty

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Speaker 1: Glenn here, yes, but that's right, but they took advantage

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Speaker 1: of his value to move themselves into a spot to

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Speaker 1: where they are able to get Josh Allen. None of

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Speaker 1: this would be possible without the tanking like re deconstruction

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Speaker 1: of the roster. You were right up until that last sentence. Oh,

450
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 1: you're right, they are obligated to improve. It's a draft status.

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Speaker 1: It's able to be a little bit of everything. It's

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can rebuild and also tank on one

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Speaker 1: side of the roster at the at the same time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's possible to have both here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it's not a tank. Let's go to Eric and Buffalo. Hello, Eric,

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Speaker 1: you're Eric? Are you there? Yes, I'm here. Go ahead,

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Speaker 1: you're on the air with this. Now, when it comes

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Speaker 1: to tank, I think the only way, the only way

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Speaker 1: that the tank works is if you get a corner back,

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Speaker 1: if you get the quarterback the quarterback. And even if

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Speaker 1: you do tank, is it gonna work? It will take

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Speaker 1: I think it takes more than one year to see

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Speaker 1: whether it work or that. Agree. Let's talk about the Colts.

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Speaker 1: They've had more than one year. Did that work? Did

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Speaker 1: that tank? If it was a tank work, it's about

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Speaker 1: to the Colts Andrew Luck. Yeah, I believe that worked.

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Speaker 1: And I still I think it took a few years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean they were successful. Yeah, but I think it's

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Speaker 1: still it does take a few years from most quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: to develop. And I think that what the other your partner,

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Speaker 1: I think of what the Bills did, I don't think

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Speaker 1: they tanked. I think the Bills restruction. What's the difference. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: the restructure. I don't think you can design tank and

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Speaker 1: restructure of two different things. They they put out an

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Speaker 1: offense last year, that that's one side of the ball, right,

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Speaker 1: but they also had plenty of weaknesses on the defensive

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Speaker 1: side of the ball as well. So when we had

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Speaker 1: when you were looking at that roster last year, to

479
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Speaker 1: deconstructed in the way they did, that is absolutely taking

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Speaker 1: a step back. I think that characterization. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: why they had a rookie quarterback who didn't play right away,

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Speaker 1: that they didn't want to play right away because they

483
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Speaker 1: were deconstructing the offensive roster. If they really wanted to tank,

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Speaker 1: they might have said let's throw the rookie and let

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Speaker 1: him a flounder. But they did. They got caught short

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Speaker 1: on the offensive line with two veterans Pro Bowl performers

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Speaker 1: who you know, got yanked out of the liner, and

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Speaker 1: then they took it in stride and they had a

489
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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl caliber running back. They had a couple of

490
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Speaker 1: other talented players on defense, Pro Bowl defensive lineman and

491
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Speaker 1: Kyle Williams, a first round draft pick playing middle linebacker.

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Speaker 1: You don't set up a team like we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. Okay, Well, I went

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Speaker 1: through the office. You don't set up a team like

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Speaker 1: that if you want to lose, though getting rid of

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Speaker 1: Core would have that would have been more evidence that

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Speaker 1: they're trying to lose. Here. You're a thirty plus year

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Speaker 1: old running back. Remind you a wide receiver corps running

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Speaker 1: back in the league going into last year? Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what a wide receiver corps

501
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Speaker 1: that was barren, a tight end group that vastly needed

502
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Speaker 1: change from what it was the previous year and what

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Speaker 1: it had been an offensive and they took the Eric

504
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Speaker 1: Wood thing in stride. I mean, Richie incognito. There was

505
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Speaker 1: no guarantee that he was going to be back. They

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Speaker 1: were trying to restructure him and there was no I mean,

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Speaker 1: if he didn't want to restructure, then he was going

508
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Speaker 1: to be gone anyway. So it's not as though the

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Speaker 1: only position that was really of major importance to them

510
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Speaker 1: to have established last year was the center spot and

511
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Speaker 1: which Eric would got ripped from them, and the quarterback position,

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Speaker 1: which is what Josh Allen was. But they also chose

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Speaker 1: to go into it with Nathan Peterman as their starter

514
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Speaker 1: because they didn't have Josh Allen ready or at least

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Speaker 1: in their minds, ready to go with the type of

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Speaker 1: talent that was surrounding him. So, I mean they had

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Speaker 1: to take care of all of these different things, and

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Speaker 1: they chose to take their medicine on the offensive side

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Speaker 1: of the ball, try to establish things on the ground level.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, they were able to win six

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Speaker 1: six games, and that is a massive accomplishment for this team.

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Speaker 1: Is at roster from what they were last year indicative

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Speaker 1: of a six win team. Probably not with most coaches.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even discussing that part of it. My contention

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Speaker 1: with you is that they did not deliberately go into

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Speaker 1: last year on the offensive side of the ball or

527
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Speaker 1: the defense, they deliberately got worse this year, they got worse. Yeah, deliberately,

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Speaker 1: that is taking I don't think it was deliberate getting

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Speaker 1: rid of all of those wide receivers, getting rid of

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Speaker 1: the going into that year without doing much of anything

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Speaker 1: on the offensive receivers. Robert Woods left in pre agency,

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Speaker 1: getting rid of Sammy Watkins left because he wasn't a

533
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Speaker 1: fit here and he was unreliable as far as injury

534
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Speaker 1: and was going to get a new contract. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you didn't you didn't think that was the case that

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Speaker 1: he was the guy was going to demand the kind

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Speaker 1: of money he got eventually from the right. They took

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Speaker 1: advantage of value with him to do in order to

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Speaker 1: put themselves in a position to get the quarterback. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, by doing all of this, they ripped

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Speaker 1: themselves from most of the talent on the offensive side

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Speaker 1: of the ball. I mean, what did what did we

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Speaker 1: expect to happen last year on offense? We knew it

544
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Speaker 1: was going to be terrible. There was a four week

545
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Speaker 1: stretch where they didn't get double digit points last year terrible,

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Speaker 1: But that was the first before Josh Allen went down.

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Speaker 1: I mean that you can you can sit there and

548
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Speaker 1: go Derek Anderson whatever. I mean, that was kind of

549
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Speaker 1: and it wasn't a great look for them because he

550
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Speaker 1: was going in there right after being picked up off

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Speaker 1: the street basically. But when they went into the season

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Speaker 1: with Josh Allen and Nathan Peterman, a Josh Allen that

553
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Speaker 1: wasn't ready by the way, he wasn't ready until after

554
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Speaker 1: he got injured and started started to see things from

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Speaker 1: a macro level that is very tank like for for

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Speaker 1: an offensive side of the ball. Because offense, if we're

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Speaker 1: if we're looking at what wins in the NFL, the

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Speaker 1: offense wins nine times out of ten for teams in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. We're taking a break here and we're coming back.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk with Tyler Croft, Bill's tight end. We

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Speaker 1: will continue this discussion. You can be sure of that

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Speaker 1: this tanking work in the National Football League. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about the Dolphins at one with Armando Salgaro. Come

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Speaker 1: on back, we got a lot to talk about. It's

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Speaker 1: One Bill's Live, presented by Kalaida Health from One Bill's Drive,

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Speaker 1: and this is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back One Bill's

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Speaker 1: Live from One Bill's Drive. John Murphy with Joeba, Scouty

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Speaker 1: and Joe is in for Steve Tasker, who reigns on vacation.

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Speaker 1: Joining us right now on the line, one of the

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Speaker 1: Bills free agents, one of their price free agents signed

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Speaker 1: last week. Happy to have former Bengals now Bills tight

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Speaker 1: end Tyler Croft on the line with us. Hello Tyler,

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Speaker 1: John Murphy and Job Scotty here in Buffalo. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us. Yeah, hey guys, how are you doing.

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Speaker 1: We're doing great. Sorry we missed you last week. I

576
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Speaker 1: know you were here there was kind of a whirlwind

577
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: day for you and the other free agents here last Thursday,

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Speaker 1: wasn't it. Yeah? For sure it was. We had a

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Speaker 1: full date hack, But it was a great day, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Did I hear this correctly? Is your wife a native

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Speaker 1: of Western New York somewhere? Yeah, her father actually grew

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Speaker 1: up in cheek to Waga. That's fun. And did she

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Speaker 1: have family here still? Yeah, they have their family in

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Speaker 1: the area. I don't know if I don't think anyone's

585
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Speaker 1: still in the town, but I know they have a

586
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Speaker 1: lot of his childhood friends, and there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: family friends still in the area. And if you or

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Speaker 1: your wife heard from that group since you signed here

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Speaker 1: last Thursday, Wednesday Thursday, Oh yeah, to say they're excited

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00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: would be an understatement, I bet. Yeah. Well, Tyler, when

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Speaker 1: you looked at all the different destinations of where to sign, obviously,

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Speaker 1: free agency is an overwhelming thing, I'm sure for for

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Speaker 1: you and for many other players in the NFL. But

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Speaker 1: what to you stood out about this Bill's team, the

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Speaker 1: way it was constructed, the players they had in the roster,

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Speaker 1: or even the city. What stood out to you in

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Speaker 1: your decision to come here? Um? For me. A lot

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Speaker 1: of it was the cold turn fit. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: be in a team that everyone was pulling in the

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Speaker 1: same direction. My agent, Mike McCartney, I got to tip

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Speaker 1: my hat to him. He did, he did a great job.

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00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: He knows he knows me and knows. Uh, I guess

603
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: what kind of team, what guys I want to be around?

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Speaker 1: And Uh, it was pretty pretty evident quickly when I

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Speaker 1: got up there that that the Bills have the type

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Speaker 1: of people I want to be around, and organizationally and players,

607
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: the teams they're more about the fit of guys necessarily,

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Speaker 1: so everyone's on the same it's more of a team atmosphere,

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Speaker 1: and that's something I was really looking for, and that

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Speaker 1: was something that was pushed And when I got out there,

611
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Speaker 1: it was clear as day what they had going on,

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Speaker 1: which is awesome. How could you read that, Tyler, We're

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of Bills veterans here last week and

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Speaker 1: year here. What did you look at? What did you

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Speaker 1: read to let you know that that was the case

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Speaker 1: with this group? Um, everything I've heard about coach McDermott

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Speaker 1: and the type of guys that he's looking for. He's

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Speaker 1: also from a Southeastern PA so there's a little bit

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Speaker 1: of that inkling. He is from the Allentown area, and

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Speaker 1: I grew up in Southeastern PA. Two, so I know

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Speaker 1: just from that sort of mentality. I knew kind of

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Speaker 1: what type of guy he was just from growing up

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Speaker 1: in that area and everything my our coaches said for

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Speaker 1: the management and would sorry what the team is put

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Speaker 1: into the facility, all the renovations they're doing. Everything seems

626
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Speaker 1: that they're very focused on winning a championship and doing

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Speaker 1: what's best for the guys and players. Tyler, let me

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Speaker 1: ask you about your high school experience for a moment,

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Speaker 1: and if you're at Downingtown East High School outside Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: there Southeastern Pennsylvania and a pretty memorable championship game you played.

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Speaker 1: Was that your junior year? Your senior year at Downingtown Easton?

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Speaker 1: That was my junior year. Yeah, tell me about how

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Speaker 1: that game wound up. Yeah. We uh, we threw an

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Speaker 1: interception on the second to last drive of the pick six.

635
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Speaker 1: I actually missed the tackle on the play and it

636
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Speaker 1: ended up being the right move later on, later on

637
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Speaker 1: finding that out because they took the lead. We threw

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Speaker 1: a couple of dink and dung passes to move our

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Speaker 1: way down the field and with no time left on

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Speaker 1: the clock, we're down. I ran a wheel route up

641
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Speaker 1: the sideline and thought the passing back of the end

642
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: zone though time left, and then we went for two

643
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: and got the win. Wow, no time left on the

644
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: clock and you get the two version for the win.

645
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: What a finished You had to be a great feeling.

646
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: I had to win it that way. Oh, yeah, it was.

647
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: It was a great feeling. I mean, obviously the fans

648
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: were going crazy. Fans were shaking because of the playoff

649
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: games too, so it was a lot of fun. Tyler,

650
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: when when you were deciding in Buffalo, you said culture

651
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: was was a huge part of it. But I'm sure

652
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: going through all your years with Cincinnati getting that taste

653
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: of of the starting lineup. When when Tyler Eifferd unfortunately

654
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: went down with injury, I'm sure opportunity had to play

655
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: into the equation as well, right, Oh for sure. I Um,

656
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: I've always preached, uh, I've always been a believer of

657
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: the next man up, and unfortunately, when I was getting

658
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: my opportunities, that happened when Tye went down. But that's

659
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: that's kind of how the business goes. So I was

660
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: eager to to find a spot where I could be

661
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: more featured and hopefully be the number one guy. I

662
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: mean from what I've heard and meeting with the coaches,

663
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: and obviously the contract I was signed with Buffalo seems

664
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: like the perfect food. Tyler Croft, our guest Bills tight end,

665
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: signed to a contractor freage and contract just last week

666
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: for the Bills. The time in Cincinnati, Tyler included the

667
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: season ending game in twenty seventeen, the famous Cincinnati win

668
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: over the Baltimore Ravens that put the Bills in the playoffs.

669
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: And you had a major role to play in that game, right,

670
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: A lot of catches and a couple of touchdown catches,

671
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah I had. I don't know the exact stats. I'm

672
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: sure you guys have it there, but yeah, I remember

673
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: I caught two touchdowns and that was a lot of fun. Obviously,

674
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd, we came down, drove the field, and Tyler

675
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: Boyd had an awesome play connecting for the game when

676
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: he touchdown. I still remember seeing the video of the

677
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: Pills players in the locker rooms here and then celebrating

678
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: that game, which was awesome. What did that tell you

679
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: about this Buffalo Bills group. Even though it was a

680
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Now, the way they grown men

681
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: were weeping in the locker room after that game, it

682
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: was crazy. Yeah, I mean that you can just see

683
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: and feel the passion and that's that's something that I

684
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: love to see. You can just see how how much

685
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: it means to the guys, and that's something that jumped

686
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: out on that video to me. So that's what I'm

687
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: excited to be a part of. Now. Hey, Tyler going

688
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: through the four years in Cincinnati and even though he

689
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: was hurt a little bit um you know, cost him

690
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: some games. What was it like? What did you learn

691
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: from from working with a highly productive player like Tyler

692
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: eifert Um. I learned a lot about savvyness with route running.

693
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: It's more because there's only so many routes you can run,

694
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: so a lot of it has to do with setting

695
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: up the defender and understanding understand the defense and what

696
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: they're trying to do, what they're trying to force you

697
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: to do to not expose them, so basically pushing routes

698
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: vertical to sell the depth. There's there's just savvyness with

699
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: the routes that I was able to pick up a

700
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: lot on through coaches and through Tyler Reister. So I'm

701
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: thankful obviously for that opportunity to work with them. Tyler,

702
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: you're one of just two tight ends on this bill's

703
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: roster right now. I'm sure there'll be others added to

704
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: the roster. But when you were here last week, did

705
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: they give you a sense of what they were looking

706
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: for from me? What they expect you to to do. Yeah,

707
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: some leader, I think, leadership on the offensive side of

708
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: the ball, coming in and with a good work ethic,

709
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: all all stuff I've been doing with my career. They

710
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: want me to really bring that to this team also,

711
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: which obviously I don't see that change in any anytime soon. Yeah,

712
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: they want me in the offensive, offensive side of the ball.

713
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: They're excited to get me worked into the passing game.

714
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: Obviously that'll progress as we start doing meetings and really

715
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: get into things. But they're excited to get with all

716
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: the new weapons we added in this off season through

717
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: the receivers and myself, everyone's excited about what the offense

718
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: can do. Tyler. Are you I know you're a Rutgers guy.

719
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: Are you putting to a little bit of a buy

720
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: with the women's Rutgers team playing University at Buffalo in

721
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: the NCAA Tournament on Friday. Just a little bit, not

722
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: too that, not too much of a barn. There's a

723
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: world by a Rutgers through and throughout. Assume. Yeah, well

724
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, you know how it is. Yeah, of course,

725
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: what's the plan, Tyler? What kind of workouts are you

726
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 1: and now? And what's your arrival time here in Buffalo?

727
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: You gotta be about three or four weeks away now,

728
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: I would think, huh yeah, yeah, We're we start up

729
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: mid April, but I'm gonna get back earlier, coming off

730
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: obviously the surgery and the postseason. We have a good

731
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: plan going forward with the medical staff, so I'm gonna

732
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: get up there a little bit early just because I

733
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: want to get hands on with them and get some

734
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: training and stuff, just to make sure we're all on

735
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: the same page. So I'll shoot. I'm shooting to get

736
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: up there beginning of April. We're trying to wrap up

737
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: some things down here in Cincinnati as far as moving

738
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: and whatnot. But that's our plan right now. Well, good

739
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: luck to you, Tyler, thanks for coming on with us

740
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: today to talk about it. We'll see here in a

741
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Oh yeah, thanks for having you guys. Thanks.

742
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: Tyler Croft, going into his fifth year in the league,

743
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: is first with the buff the Bills for productive years

744
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: with the Cincinnati Bengals. Signed as one of the Bills

745
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: free agents last week. It's funny Joe he comes. You know,

746
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: you get these capsule descriptions of these guys, Tyler Croft.

747
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: You know he's a blocking tight end, and yet two

748
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,959
Speaker 1: years ago he had forty two catches and a bunch

749
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: of touchdowns. He literally has an ability to be more

750
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: than a blocking tight end. See I don't I don't

751
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: agree with the only the blocking tight end assessment because

752
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: when you watch him play, specifically in that twenty seventeen season,

753
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: you're like, WHOA, that's not That's not what a blocking

754
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: tight end usually looks like. He moves very fluidly, which

755
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: is why I clumped him in with like this group

756
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: of four, five, maybe six free agent tight ends available

757
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: that didn't really get a huge opportunity in their first location.

758
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: They were still draft picks, Like guys like Max Williams

759
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: were in this group. Demetrius Harris, who wound up I

760
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: believe signing with Cleveland. Hureman from Denver. I mean, all

761
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: of these different all of these different tight ends that

762
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: have these have this receiving ability that might be a

763
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: little unrefined or hasn't been tapped into as much. But

764
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: when you watch him play, I mean, he looks like

765
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: a really big wide receiver. He moves incredibly well. And

766
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: I think the thing that he was talking about what

767
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: he learned from Tyler Eiffert. That's why I was interested,

768
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: because it seemed like he was running routes a lot

769
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: more crisply and breaking people, breaking defenders off a lot

770
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: more than he did even in college. So this is

771
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: a potential ascending player for the Bills. Now he has

772
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: to be able to put it together and be an

773
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: impact player for the offense if he gets that opportunity,

774
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: to which I would I would anticipate the Bills probably

775
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: look to add a tight end in the draft at

776
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: some point. But if Tyler Croft comes in there and

777
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: shows the type of ability that he did when playing

778
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: in relief effort of Tyler Eiffert, you know the Bills

779
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: have a multi use tight end on their hands. And

780
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: also he falls into that category. We were talking about

781
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: it a little bit yesterday and a little bit earlier

782
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: today in fact about projections, and all the Bills had

783
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: to do is look at that twenty seventeen season and

784
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: playing for the injured Tyler Effort at the time forty

785
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: two catches and think, oh, he can do that. He

786
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: didn't do it last year. He got hurt last year,

787
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: but he can do that, And that's a projection thinking

788
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: he can be our productive yas catching tight end as

789
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: well as an accomplished blocker. So yeah, that's what free

790
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: agency is all about too. I mean, we see guys

791
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: that are a little bit older kind of fall on

792
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: the market a bit, or guys with injury history, because

793
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: it's not about what you've done before, it's about what

794
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: the teams think you can do moving forward, which is

795
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: why Tyler Croft got paid like you did. And oh,

796
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: by the way, his contract, they're still able to get

797
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: out of it after twenty nineteen if they really want to.

798
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you got no signing bonus, you

799
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: got paid. Well, but they have escapes, Yeah, they want them.

800
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: And the details for Tye and Seki just came out today,

801
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: which just clumps to it. I mean, Microdac of ESPN

802
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: dot Com reported the details of the contract which is

803
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: it's essentially a four point eight million cap hit. This year,

804
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: the signing bonus was only three mill I'm not going

805
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: to get two into the weeds. But what you need

806
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: to know about the structure of these all these contracts

807
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: outside of Mitch Morse is cash upfront, low signing bonus,

808
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: relatively low signing bonus, and the ability to get out

809
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: from it under within one year. Having the flexibility to

810
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: shape your roster from year to year is a great

811
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: job by Brandon being It's kind of the melding of

812
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: two different principles. Tampa Bay used to do this pay

813
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: as you go style a few years back, and then

814
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: once they fire the GM, they started doing signing bonuses more.

815
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: But a lot of teams, a lot of players want

816
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: money upfront, so they're kind of melding to two principles

817
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: together and able to provide themselves with flexibility senses that

818
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: we're seeing more than around the league this year. Yeah,

819
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: it's smart too. I mean, you have to you have

820
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: to provide yourself with cap flexibility because if you don't,

821
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: you're just setting yourself up for failure every time. They're

822
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: getting good at manipulating the cap. Oh, everybody is I

823
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: mean the Saints had a negative cap room and they

824
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: added who was it last year? Oh, I forget they

825
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: added some free agent last year when no, it was

826
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: a few years ago when they had no cap room

827
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: for Jaris Bird and magically here's cap room. Yeah, it

828
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: appears the cap is live. Hey, we're a good conversation

829
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: going on earlier. We will pick it up when we

830
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: come back. Does tanking work in the National Football League?

831
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the Dolphins. Is at a tank?

832
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: It looks like one? And will it work? All that

833
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: discussion coming back when we return eight oh three, five

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Speaker 1: One Bills Live. John Murphy, would joe A Scottia from

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00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: w w TV Channel seven in Buffalo. What do you

840
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Speaker 1: got coming up tonight? You got you be men leaving us? Yeah,

841
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: the men are leaving for Tulsa today. I think that's

842
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: going on around three. They're they're doing a little send

843
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: off thing and such a fun and you love college basketball.

844
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: I love basketball in general. It's it's so cool. And

845
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: I was saying this, I think I said this to

846
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: U yesterday. I love watching the women's team so much.

847
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: I mean, they are just such a such a fiery crew,

848
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: and they're gonna I mean, they'll have their handsful if

849
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: they advance passed the first round because they got they

850
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: have Yukon. But man, what a what a fun, fun

851
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: couple of weeks that it's lining up to be for UB.

852
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: I heard some people expressing dismay and you you were

853
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: there went down yesterday you be women. First of all,

854
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: the leak, which was the bracket. Yeah, the leak was

855
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. That's an

856
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 1: ESPN problem, right, Yeah, I meant, but they doubled down

857
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: on the mistake by moving the reveal show at five.

858
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: They could have just left it there and still had

859
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: all of these schools who had all of these um,

860
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: all of these reveal parties to you know, to be

861
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: with their fans. I mean, you b had this, had

862
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: that set up for their women, and they robbed robbed

863
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: them of that type of type of way to celebrate themselves.

864
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: And you know, two UB's credit. They still went on

865
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: with it at at the restaurant last night, but still,

866
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's you just it's hard not to

867
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: think that, you know, you're missing a little bit there

868
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: trying to force it because of their mistake that was

869
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: that was a bad fact that you ban women are

870
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: playing at the same time as a man. Not ideal.

871
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's a major problem. I think

872
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: it's sort of an embarrassment of riches doubling up on

873
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: their excitement. Right two TVs and most locations. It was

874
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: interesting because Tom Martin, who used to work in Buffalo,

875
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: he works in Kansas City now and he covers Kansas

876
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: State and he tweeted yesterday that you Be in Kansas

877
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: State were two of five teams that had their men's

878
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: and women's tournament game within a two hour window of

879
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: each other. So it's not as though you Be is

880
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: the only team to get yeah affected by this. And

881
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: plus the fact that you Be men odds are the

882
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: game is going to get pushed back a little bit

883
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: just because it's scheduled for fort right, yeah right, just

884
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: just game flow and everything like that. I think it's

885
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: a big problem anyway, watch for that. Joe on Channel

886
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: seven today, we're talking about tanking. Does it work in

887
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: the NFL? Joe and I have a disagreement. Not quite

888
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: sure what that's about. I think I know what you're saying,

889
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna need to hear the definition of tank.

890
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: That's what we're disagreeing about, the definition of tank. That's right.

891
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: I think we have a pretty serious disagreement about that.

892
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: But let's hear from you. What do you think does

893
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: tanking work in the NFL? Scott in Nashville, Go ahead, Scott,

894
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: you're on the air with this. I think it does.

895
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: I think they deliberately played Derek Anderson and it wasn't

896
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: obviously his fault. The line was a mess and the

897
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: weapons and etc. But during that stretch from Foster was out,

898
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just painful to watch. Well, Derek

899
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: Anderson got the one start and who would you have

900
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: started instead if you if you were not tanking. That's

901
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: why I'm saying it wasn't really his fault. No, he

902
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: was like the last man standing at the time. Basically

903
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: it was him or Peterman. Right. They did. They did

904
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: get rid of aj McCarron, for what it's worth. They

905
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: chose to trade him before the season started, which could

906
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: have been a starting option for them if they really

907
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: wanted him to be, But instead they chose the asset,

908
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: which is fine, which I agree with doing that to

909
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: capitalize on that value. I don't think the Anderson start

910
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: had anything to do with deliberately trying to lose. I'm

911
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: going to disagree with that scopic go ahead they had.

912
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't just one stop. I mean, they kept running

913
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,959
Speaker 1: him out there. They didn't play Barkley until they had

914
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: to because Anderson had the concussion. They like, well, now

915
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: we have to play the other guy, and he lights

916
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: it up. I think I think it was done on purpose, uh,

917
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: to continue to play Anderson and just kind of get

918
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: through the season. Let Allen learned. That definitely was part

919
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: of the plan. Two starts for Derek at the coltson

920
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: against the Patriots. M h yes, and that great game.

921
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: Holy smokes, yeah bad, it was awful. He was he

922
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: was the best option they had at the time, even

923
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: though it only many or a week and a half,

924
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: he was still the best. But they chose for him

925
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: to be that best option and then laid on purpose

926
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: he was. They chose for him to be that you can't.

927
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: You can't deny who. You can't deny that AJ McCarron. Point,

928
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 1: you can't. A J. McCarron was not gonna was a J. McCarron.

929
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: A J. McCarron is better than Nathan Peterman and Derek Anderson. Yes,

930
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure about his preseason then who who

931
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: is he? Who is who is better than a J.

932
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: McCarron out of that three. By the way, mccairn had

933
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: been gone half a season before Anderson started of the game. Understood.

934
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: But AJ McCarron still could have been on the roster,

935
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: but they chose a fifth round pick instead. Yes, so

936
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: that is a tank. That that is a version of

937
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: tanking to deliberately rip the talent from your roster. Go ahead.

938
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: I want to hear from you here, Scott, because I

939
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: don't think Joe's making sense. Oh my goodness, you just

940
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: said Derek Anderson under Nathan Peterman was better than AJ McCarron,

941
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: which is I don't know about that. I think Derek

942
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: Anderson was Scotty. Still, he's gone, let's let's go. I

943
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: don't think they tanked. We've talked about this. We have

944
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: a different definition to take. I understand, but you can't.

945
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can tell me. Derek Anderson

946
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: is better than Aji McCarron. I saw him both play

947
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, so did I and Derek Anderson was awful. Second, yeah,

948
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: we're just having a conversation. Make one thing clear here.

949
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: First of all, I agree with Murk. They had to

950
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: start Anderson. If if Josh did not get hurt, we

951
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: all had to agree he would have behind center right right.

952
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: So they had no other choice due to the injury

953
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: to put Anderson in there. Now Now, Joe all means,

954
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: I love you, buddy, but I feel a kind of

955
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: snding comment going teeth. It's far up mine when it

956
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: comes from. But you're wrong here. Mercy is right. You

957
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: sat there in head that the builds tank to move

958
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: up to get Josh out. You don't think and make

959
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: the playoffs. It just doesn't happen. And as far as

960
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: the Browns go, Browns weren't trying to tank. Browns had

961
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: two draft picks, first round draft picks, what three or

962
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: four years in a row, and before Darcy come in,

963
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: they weren't hitting on these draft picks. Who is Darcy

964
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: Dorsey Dorcy? Okay? I thought we were going back to Darcy.

965
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: We're here days for a second, you mean story, No,

966
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: it's all good's faul Wait wait wait, so so you're

967
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: you're trying to tell me that the Browns did not

968
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,959
Speaker 1: intentionally lose not I'm not saying that they did maybe

969
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: one one year, but come on, they had the two

970
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: traff picks and was mixed first round trafficks and they

971
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: were missing on them. You don't do that as a GM, right,

972
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: you try to hit on at least the first and

973
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: second round at least and the third technically, but at

974
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: least the first and second rounders. You should be hitting them.

975
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: They weren't doing it, so they weren't trying to take.

976
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: They were trying to bring talent in and they couldn't.

977
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: But how did they get to the spot where they

978
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: had all those picks in the first place. Well, that

979
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: is a take. It is a take taking tank take.

980
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: It is the may agree with I may agree with

981
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: one year. But see, Bills didn't tank built, but Bills did.

982
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: They did it smart. They witted their roster of men

983
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: that they didn't be long one. They were either not

984
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: part of the city, they weren't sitting in their system

985
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: are two the they weren't performing serious being one of them,

986
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, Darius is the exception here because oligary

987
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: he was not performing well. But Sammy Watkins. You cannot

988
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: sit there and tell me that he would not have

989
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: been a positive healthy Sammy Watkins was healthy that entire year.

990
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: They weren't sure he is going to be healthy? Are

991
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: you sure? Would they've been able to sign again, but

992
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: it was still their choice to get rid of that

993
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: talent and go up for the value exactly, which is

994
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: why they if they if you rip yourself from talent,

995
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: you are purposely making yourself worse. Not in that case,

996
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: Yes they are. He is he is what is so talented?

997
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: He was habitually injured. It doesn't he is incredibly talented

998
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: and you're to sign him the following year. All those

999
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: things factored into him. That that logic doesn't make sense.

1000
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: You cannot tell me that they made themselves better by

1001
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: getting rid of Sammy Watkins on the field. You cannot

1002
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: sit there and say that. Brand I'll let you finish

1003
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: up here. You're not wrong, but you're wrong here. Okay,

1004
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: So you're telling me that they were better on the

1005
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 1: field without Sammy Watkins. Yes, Oh my gosh, I feel

1006
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: like I'm taking crazy pills, as Merf said. As Merf said,

1007
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: they put a value on Sammy. They weren't willing to

1008
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: pay Sammy sixteen million dollars, so they knew they weren't

1009
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: going to keep him, so instead of keeping him and

1010
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: losing him for nothing, right, and they also could have

1011
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: put the fifth year option on him and traded him

1012
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: anyway or got a compensatory selection for him. It's not

1013
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: as though it was just to trade him then or

1014
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: not not get any value for him whatsoever. It was

1015
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: their choice all the way through to to not give

1016
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: him the fifth year option and to trade him when

1017
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 1: they did, to rip that talent from the offensive side

1018
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: of the ball, and to essentially give Tyrod Taylor nothing

1019
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: to throw to that season. Brad, thanks you at GOA.

1020
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: We got to move along. We got Armando Salgaro of

1021
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: the Miami Herold coming up. We're gonna talk about tanking

1022
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: in the Dolphins. Does the signing of Ryan Fitzpatrick indicate

1023
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: that they're ready to tank? Will continue this when we

1024
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: come back. One Bill's Live presented by Kalata Health from

1025
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: One Bill's Drive. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Hello, Bills

1026
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: Radio Network Sports. The update comes from one Bill's drive

1027
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: around the NFL. A little bit of news today. Vontes Burfey,

1028
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: released by the Cincinnati Bengals, is on his way to

1029
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: Oakland to visit the Raiders today. Cincinnati cut him yesterday.

1030
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: The link to the Raiders hobbyists. Oakland currently owns as

1031
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: a glaring need a linebacker, and Berfeckt might be able

1032
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,479
Speaker 1: to fill that. Montes Berfect visiting the Oakland Raiders today.

1033
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: The Miami Dolphins may have found a trade partner for

1034
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn. Quinn spotted on his way to visit the

1035
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys earlier today. He wasn't They are in talks

1036
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: with the Dolphins about a potential trade. Quinn would have

1037
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: to sign off on any deal. Blake Bortle signed off

1038
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: on the deal with the Los Angeles Rams, a former

1039
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: Jaguars quarterback first round pick, is going to be Geared

1040
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: Goff's backup, according to the Rams. The Rams also a

1041
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: quarterback Brandon Allen on the roster. Dave gettaman Giants general manager,

1042
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: says they are not in tear at all down mode.

1043
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: They're building. According to him, they traded Odell Beckham last

1044
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: week and he says, gentleman says, you can win while

1045
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: you're building, as he discussed the trade of Beckham yesterday.

1046
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: Savers Hockey Savers practicing today at key Bank Center. They

1047
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: won in the shootout over the Saint Louis Blues four

1048
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: to three on Sunday. Tomorrow night, sabers home against the

1049
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: Toronto April Leaf seven o'clock faceoff. Leaves in Nashville tonight

1050
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: to take on the Predators. The UB women's basketball team

1051
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: found out it's tournament fate late yesterday. They've been put

1052
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: in the Albany Region. They'll go to stores Connecticut as

1053
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: the number ten see. The UBI women will play number

1054
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: seven seed Rutgers on Friday in Connecticut at four thirty

1055
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: pm tip off. It will air nationally on ESPN two.

1056
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: The UB women twenty three wins and nine losses. And

1057
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: from baseball, star center fielder Mike Trout and the Los

1058
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: Angeles Angels are finalizing what will be the largest contract

1059
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: in professional sports history, a twelve year deal worth more

1060
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: than four thirty million dollars, smashing the previous records. It

1061
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: could keep Mike Trout with the Angels for the rest

1062
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Speaker 1: of his career, according to ESPN. And that's the update

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Speaker 1: from One Bill's Drive. John Murphy joined by Joe Buscallia

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00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: in place of Steve Tasker for a couple of days

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Speaker 1: this week. Chris Brown will join this later this week,

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Speaker 1: and Tasker comes back next week. Tanking Can you tank

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00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: in the NFL? Does it work? We'll continue that discussion

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Speaker 1: with one of our favorite guests. He is Miami Dolphins

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00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: reporter for the Miami Herald, A radio dot com NFL

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Speaker 1: insider now on the line with us, Armando Sugaro. He

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00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: is a radio dot com NFL sports insider insider reports

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00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: brought to you by the twenty nineteen Mercedes Benz A Class. Armando,

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00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: you come with your own sponsor read now that's big time. Well,

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00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: anytime that I come on One Bill's Drive, it's a

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00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: special occasion for me, trusting. Well, why don't you roll

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00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: in here with that Mercedes Benz twenty nineteen Mercedes Benz

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00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: A class that it really impress us? Yeah, that would

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00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: be very nice. I have to speak to them about

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00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: providing one what you didn't get, Armand No, we've had

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00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: Joe and I are having a great discussion today about tanking.

1081
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: Does tanking work in the NFL? I want to get

1082
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: to your piece on that Ryan Fitzpatrick the other day

1083
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: and your take on what the Dolphins are up to,

1084
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: But can you answer that questions for us? Do you

1085
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: think it works when you try to tank? Try to

1086
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: lose deliberately in the NFL? All right, so let's define

1087
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: tanking because thank you. Yeah, that's that's a little crazy.

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00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: I don't believe that anyone tries to lose. Okay, there

1089
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: are no players out there that well, maybe Ben Roethlisberger

1090
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: fumbled on purpose, depending on who you believe, but there

1091
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: are no players out there that try to get beat

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00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: on purpose. There's not a coach that says his team

1093
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: take the week off, guys, I want you to play poorly.

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00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: That doesn't happen in professional sports, certainly not the NFL.

1095
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: But there is an organic tanking in that if the

1096
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: organization makes moves, does things that basically guarantees that the

1097
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: product that they put on the field is not going

1098
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: to be top notch, top grade. And the thinking behind

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00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: those moves and that philosophy is we're not really about

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00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: right now, We're about tomorrow, next year, the following year.

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00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: To me, that's tanking, I mean it is because you're

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00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: not doing everything that you can do to be the

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00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 1: best that you can be on that day in that year.

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00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 1: And so that's what I believe the Dolphins are doing,

1105
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: and it's pretty clear that that's what they're doing. But

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00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: as far as losing on purpose, that it doesn't go

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00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: that far. Some might argue that your description of the

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00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: more nuanced version of tanking is team building building for

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00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: the future, right? Wrong? What do you think? Well, if

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00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 1: team building is the definition for team building is defined

1111
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: as you know, taking steps backward, because to me, building

1112
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: means you try to get better. No, And are the

1113
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: Dolphins better by losing Cameron Wake? Are they better by

1114
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: trading Ryan Tannehill for Ryan Fitzpatrick after they tried to

1115
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: go after Tyrod Taylor and Teddy Bridgewater and they're paying

1116
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick like a backup? You know, getting better? Rebuilding

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00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: is about getting better and I don't see the getting

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00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 1: better part. The Dolphins today are worst team than they

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00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: were on the final day of the season last year

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Speaker 1: when the Bills destroyed them. What do you think, Joe?

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00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: I think your assessment on what the definition of a

1122
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: tank is is dead on and I remember Armando reading

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00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: reading you right after a Bills game last year where

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00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: it was almost like a, Hey, the Bills have a

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00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 1: quarterback and the Dolphins just just don't have have that player.

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00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: And that's I don't know if that's where it all

1127
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: kind of. I know you've you've always been. You've for

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00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: the for the most part with Tannehill, have been like, Okay,

1129
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: it has to be better than this, has to be

1130
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: better than this, has to be better than this. But

1131
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: I think that was almost like a moment of Claire

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00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: that they're like, hey, there's this. There's these teams in

1133
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: this division that have done this, and the Dolphins are

1134
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: sitting on their hands, and I think that probably facilitated

1135
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: a lot of things in Miami. Would that be right?

1136
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Joe. And the thing with the Dolphins

1137
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: is so they drafted Ryan Tannehill in the first round

1138
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, and they believed in him and believed

1139
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: them in him and believed in him. So it got

1140
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: to the point where last year we're seven years in

1141
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: and in one press conference where coach Adam Gas and

1142
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: I kind of had a disagreement. He's talking about we

1143
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,959
Speaker 1: don't know what ceiling this guy has and I'm thinking,

1144
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: what ceiling? This is the seventh year. How long do

1145
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: you have to wait for a guy's ceiling to come around,

1146
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: especially at quarterback? He is who he is. And while

1147
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: the Dolphins are waiting around for the ceilings, the Buffalo

1148
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: Bills went and got Josh Allen and they skipped over

1149
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins in the draft last year in a

1150
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: trade to do it. The New York Jets. They went

1151
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: out and got their guys, the New England Patris. They

1152
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: kind of have a good one already. Meanwhile, the Dolphins

1153
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: are waiting for us ceiling seven years in. It just

1154
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: didn't make any sense to me, and I guess it

1155
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: didn't make sense to the people that are running the

1156
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: Dolphins now because he's gone on the line with Armando.

1157
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: So our girl from the Miami Herald Dolphins reporters covered

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00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: the league for since nineteen ninety. In your piece about

1159
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: I guess it was Sunday's piece about signing Ryan Fitzpatrick.

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00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: I gotta say, Armando, you got me thinking deeply about

1161
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick this morning when I reread it again. In

1162
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: this sense, Look, we're very fond of Ryan Fitzpatrick here

1163
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: in Buffalo. He was a great Buffalo Bill, not a

1164
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: great player, but just a great teammate and a really

1165
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: good guy. And yet you point out, if you look

1166
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: at his one loss record, he is he has been

1167
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: a losing quarterback at a variety of different outposts and

1168
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: not had much success at all wins and losses. Is

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00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: that how you view him as maybe not as good

1170
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,959
Speaker 1: as Tannahill because you got me thinking about that. Well,

1171
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: so his winning percentage, if you believe in quarterback starts,

1172
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: John is like four hundred. Yeah, that's not good, right,

1173
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: and of late it's in the thirty percentile with Tampa Bay,

1174
00:58:55,000 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: and so I'm thinking, look, this is isn't gonna go well,

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00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: which fits kind of be the narrative that the Dolphins

1176
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: need because you know they're not expecting to win a lot.

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00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: The problem for the Dolphins with Ryan Fitzpatrick is that

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00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick might throw six interceptions in a game, as

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00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: he did in twenty fourteen, but guess what, he also

1180
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: might throw six touchdown passes in a game, as he

1181
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: did I think in twenty sixteen and September of twenty sixteen.

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00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: So it's a little bit of a gamble for the Dolphins,

1183
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick consistency and Ryan Fitzpatrick should never be in

1184
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:42,439
Speaker 1: the same sentence. But that guy can when he gets

1185
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: hot and kind of gets all Ryan Fitzpatrick e he

1186
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: can danger his quarterback on any given Sunday and get

1187
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: you some wins. So doesn't that make him not a

1188
00:59:54,720 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: signal that the tank is on? Well, understand this. Those

1189
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: days come few and far between, and they are often

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Speaker 1: accompanied by the other days, the days where he's terrible.

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01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: And so the Miami Dolphins this year, in this offseason,

1192
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: as free as free agency began, so the quarterbacks that

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01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: were available, Nick Foles, did they try to sign Nick Foles?

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01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: He's been to the Super Bowl, he won it. He

1195
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: was fourteen and three in his last seventeen games. Were

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01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: they interested in Nick? No, they weren't interested in Nick Foles.

1197
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: He's too good. When they fired Adam Gates the day

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01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,439
Speaker 1: after the Dolphins lost to the Bills in Buffalo, one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons owner Stephen Ross gaze for firing Adam Gates.

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01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: I am not kidding. This is a quote. Adam wants

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01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:02,439
Speaker 1: to win now. Wow, I remember that. So you tell me, yeah,

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01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, go ahead. I was gonna

1203
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: say Armando and my own fit experience, there is such

1204
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: a variance with him, as you pointed out, where you

1205
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: will get that that high drama, huge output from one

1206
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: week and then get one of the worst starts you've

1207
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: ever seen from an NFL quarterback the next. But I think,

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01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: I think for the Dolphins purposes, and this is just

1209
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: looking from the outside in, it almost feels like he's

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01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: the perfect tank quarterback for them because there is such

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Speaker 1: a variance and it's probably going to even out at

1212
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: the in the end. They're still probably gonna win and

1213
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,959
Speaker 1: lose as many games as they're supposed to. But that said,

1214
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: they're still going to be more of an exciting brand

1215
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: of football, which is probably what makes the owners happy,

1216
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: and it will put more fans in the seats I

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01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: would assume as well. Would that be fair? It would?

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01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: It won't be boring, right right? Oh, Ryan Fitzpatrick will

1219
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: not allow it to be boring. But here's the other

1220
01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: important aspect of the Ryan Fitzpatrick signing. He has a

1221
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: certain amount of respect that he can carry into a

1222
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: locker room. He's a thirty six year old veteran of

1223
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: many NFL battles, so he can go into that locker

1224
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,439
Speaker 1: room and kind of gather and rally people and say

1225
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna try and do this. We're gonna try and win. Now,

1226
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: that's not going to be successful most of the time,

1227
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: but it's plausible that they might win. Whereas if the

1228
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: Dolphins had gone and stayed with like Luke Falk who's

1229
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: never started a game, or someone like Jake Ruddock, who's

1230
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: also on the roster and is their backup right now,

1231
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: who's never started a game and been a journeyman, it

1232
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: would be so clownish. It would be to where the

1233
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: locker room would rebel against that. This is a locker

1234
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: room that lost Cameron Wake because the Dolphins weren't interested

1235
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: in resigning him. This is a locker room that's about

1236
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: to lose Robert Quinn because they're gonna trade him. These

1237
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: are established, compelling and high performance players, and the Dolphins

1238
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: are turning their back on those guys and saying go on,

1239
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: go ahead, be gone. At some point you have to

1240
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: add someone that can say to the guys, hey, guys,

1241
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: nobody believes in us, it's about us. Let's try to

1242
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: do his best we can. And that's Ryan Fitzpatrick, Armando

1243
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: Sargaro from Mimi Harold down the line with us Armando,

1244
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: some of us. In fact, at least one of our

1245
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: callers today indicated that he believes if you're gonna tank,

1246
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: you have to have a target, a draft target. In

1247
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: other words, tank for Tua, you know, Tungo they law.

1248
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: Is that the target for the Dolphins or is it

1249
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: just to improve the draft status? So what the Dolphins

1250
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: are trying to do is they finally figure it out

1251
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: that a quarterback and a young quarterback in the draft

1252
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: is a good thing to add. They are hoping that

1253
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: they can find one this year. It's hard to do

1254
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: when you've got the thirteenth overall pick in the first round.

1255
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: That it's really hard to do, and you're basically doing

1256
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: it with very few draft assets to whereas they can

1257
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: move up enough to be in a position to maybe

1258
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: get a Kyler Murray if he doesn't go number one,

1259
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: or Dwayne Haskins or Drew lock But obviously if they

1260
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: lose this year, in twenty twenty, they could positively be

1261
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: in the top five and they're adding, like we said before,

1262
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: draft assets. On top of that, they got a fourth

1263
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: round pick in twenty twenty for Ryan Tannehill. They're trying

1264
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: to get a twenty twenty draft pick for Robert Quinn,

1265
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: which I mentioned earlier is on a trade block. So

1266
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: let me see, they're trying to add twenty twenty draft pick.

1267
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: They're gonna be bad in twenty nineteen. They need a quarterback,

1268
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: absolutely Tuah or Justin Herbert from Oregon. Those two guys

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Speaker 1: are the obvious guys. Herbert might be the would be

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Speaker 1: arguably a top three pick four picks if he was

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Speaker 1: in this draft. So yeah, there's there is a vision.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that the vision absolutely positively must wait

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Speaker 1: until twenty twenty, but if that has to happen, they're

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Speaker 1: kind of setting themselves up for that. Imanda. If I'm

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Speaker 1: reading your stuff correctly, and I've read quite a bit

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Speaker 1: over the last few days, you are not correct me

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Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. But it doesn't appear that you're advocating

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Speaker 1: for a tank. You're just identifying it and calling what

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Speaker 1: you see. Is that correct? Well, I'm accepting because I

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Speaker 1: don't get a vote. YEA. So they didn't ask me, Hey, Rmando,

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Speaker 1: do you think we should tank or do you think

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01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: we should continue to be mediocre? But I will say

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01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: this look if what they're doing is reeks of desperation.

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01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: It really does, because most NFL teams don't do this.

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01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: Most NFL teams try to do the Bill Parcels thing.

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Speaker 1: The Miami Dolphins were one in fifteen and two thousand

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Speaker 1: and seven, and then everybody got blown out. Bill Parcels

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Speaker 1: came in with a rookie coach Tony Sperrano, a rookie

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Speaker 1: general manager, Jeff Ireland, and he remade the entire roster,

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Speaker 1: not the entire roster, but most of it. They were

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Speaker 1: eleven and five the following year and one the AFC East.

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Speaker 1: So it can be done. You can, if you have

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Speaker 1: a core value in a philosophy, you can do this

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Speaker 1: fairly quickly. The Dolphins haven't. I guess they don't believe

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Speaker 1: that they can do this fairly quickly. So they're going

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Speaker 1: to the extreme and they're going to regather for years

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Speaker 1: in the future. And like I said, they didn't ask

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Speaker 1: me whether they should do it or not. They're just

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Speaker 1: doing it. I also wonder, Armando if if a lot

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Speaker 1: of it has to do with the current spending climate

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. And I obviously the cap keeps going

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01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: up and so there's more room for these teams, but

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01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: it just seems almost as though the pool of free

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01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: agents has gotten worse and worse over the years, and

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01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: so many teams get trapped into it. Which is why

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Speaker 1: doing it the way that the Dolphins are choosing to

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01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: do it now, the way that the Browns chose to

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Speaker 1: do it, the way that the Bills really chose to

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Speaker 1: do it as well, to kind of rip things down

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Speaker 1: and then build back up with their own draft picks,

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Speaker 1: with their own assets, because then they can make their

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Speaker 1: own assessments and develop guys that way and for a

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Speaker 1: sustained long term success rather than just a flash in

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Speaker 1: the pan ten and six here and there. So I

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Speaker 1: think that I think that might be there might be

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a shift in terms of NFL

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Speaker 1: roster building from that perspective. Would you seem to think

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Speaker 1: that's what Miami kind of has in mind with this?

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Speaker 1: That is what Miami has in mind with this. They've

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Speaker 1: already got and we don't know what the salary cap

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Speaker 1: will be in twenty twenty, but suppose it's right where

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Speaker 1: it is right now, which is unlikely. They've got one

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty million dollars in cap space ready for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. That's above average. Yeah, yes, that's pointing at

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty that I mean, all the signs they're asking

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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty draft picks there, they've got a ton

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01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,799
Speaker 1: of cap space in twenty twenty. They're about twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: and so it makes sense. I love what the Bills

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Speaker 1: are doing, especially in this free agency. They had a

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Speaker 1: lot of cap space, but they didn't. Did they go

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Speaker 1: out and sign the number one must have star, big

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01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: name free agent or did they add you know, blue

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01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:04,679
Speaker 1: collar guy depths, guys, guys that are gonna be part

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Speaker 1: of the culture in the locker room and not necessarily

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01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: be on the ESPN highlights on Sunday Night, but they're

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Speaker 1: gonna get the team on ESPN highlights on Sunday Night.

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Speaker 1: And that's a good approach. I like that. Armando, thanks

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Speaker 1: for this. Good to talk with you today. We'll probably

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Speaker 1: check out with you again sometime and check out by

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Speaker 1: the tank see how the tank's going in Miami. Thank

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Speaker 1: you all right, John, thanks a lot. Thanks. Armando Sargaro,

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Speaker 1: Dolphins reporter for the Miami Dolphins or for the Miami Herald,

1343
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 1: rather Radio dot Com, NFL Insider his reports brought to

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Speaker 1: you by the twenty nineteen Mercedes Benz a class. In

1345
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 1: an effort Joe to try to resolve what I think

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01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: is you and I disagreement about what it means to tank.

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Speaker 1: I see what Armando saying. He's right, there are about

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. They are about twenty twenty traft picks. To me,

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01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean it's a tank. You should you

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01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: should listen back to the first thing that Armando said,

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01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: because that is exactly what Buffalo did, which is his

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01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: definition of a tank. That is exactly what I guess.

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01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: I don't buy that definition of a tank. Then well,

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01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 1: I mean, so what is a tank to you? I

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01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,839
Speaker 1: think you must you probably have to have a specific,

1356
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: specific draft pick in mind that you want to get to.

1357
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 1: But that doesn't work. They have to deliberately have to

1358
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: try to lose the bills did not do that last

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01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: That doesn't work in the NFL. So the collection, so

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Speaker 1: the collection of assets means nothing in this to you.

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Speaker 1: It's the collection of draft capital that I mean, markedly

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01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: making your roster worse to acquire things for the future.

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Speaker 1: That that that is what he That is what he defined.

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01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: I believe that's not what the Bills did last year,

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01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: but we can that's that's what they did the last

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01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:52,600
Speaker 1: two years, markedly, decidedly deliberately make their roster worse to

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Speaker 1: get more draft picks. They had issues, they had money issues,

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Speaker 1: primarily cap issues. Of course they had they had cap issues,

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01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:03,679
Speaker 1: but three issues. But in twenty seventeen, they robbed themselves

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Speaker 1: of having that talent on the roster because they wanted

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Speaker 1: the draft picks instead. And I know the culture the right,

1372
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 1: but it's the bigger reason of why they did it,

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01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: to collect those assets in order to get up. If

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01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: they believe that the trade for Josh Allen, we're talking

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01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: about Watkins, We're talking about Ronald Darby, We're talking about

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01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: Cordy Glenn, all of these different things, all of these

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01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: players that would have started for them last year. If

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01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 1: they believe those three would be good here and would

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01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: work here and be fits here, I believe they would

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01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: find that that that can play into the equation as well. However,

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01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: the primary is getting the asset back. We're gonna take

1382
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: a break, we'll come back, we'll talk about it. This

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01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: tanking work in the NFL. Joe and I obviously see

1384
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: differently on this. Let's see what you have to see.

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Speaker 1: One say, One Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Hell from

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Speaker 1: One Bill's Drive. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: One five from One deals Drive. John Murphy and Joe

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Speaker 1: Scalia here for Steve Tasker. We're gonna get into your

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01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: thoughts on this tank team work in the NFL. It's

1390
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: just one tweet that got my attention, Joe. Jeff Meetri says,

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01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 1: Joe sounds like a realist. Murph sounds like a homer.

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01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: How am I a homer on this? Look? I've been

1393
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: accused of being a homer. I'm all right if you

1394
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: think I'm a homer. But is this a homer? I

1395
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: was doing some thinking over the break. Murphy, Okay, we

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01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: don't encourage that, but go ahead you. Oh I'm sorry,

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01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: then I'm out. I'll see see. Um. I think the

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Speaker 1: entire premise of the definition of a tank, what have you?

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Speaker 1: I think there is such a negative connotation to that

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01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 1: word to where I think it makes people immediately turn

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01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: their mind flick. No, no, no, no, I don't want

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01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: to do that. I don't want to do that. But

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01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: it can come in so many different forms. And I

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01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: think Armando seriously, he summed it up a lot better

1405
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: than I did in the early part of the show

1406
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: when he said, you have to divine the tank when

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Speaker 1: you are actively removing talent from your roster for that

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01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 1: season in the hopes to get better in the future. That,

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01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: in its essence is what and you know, take the

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01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: negative connotation. Let's call it, I don't know, super calif fragilistic, expialidocius.

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Speaker 1: Let's call it that rather than the tank. The the

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01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,560
Speaker 1: object of doing that and making your team worse in

1413
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 1: the interim is exactly what it is. That's exactly what

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01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: the Bills did. It's what the Dolphins are doing. It's

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Speaker 1: what the Browns did, It's what the Colts did. That

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Speaker 1: in its essence is what it's all. In its essence,

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01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, is what it's all about. I would argue

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01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: in Ahamn, arguing that they look, it's very rarely as

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01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 1: simple as let's do this. To do that right, you

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01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: remove certain players from your roster for a variety of reasons.

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01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 1: Typically one of the benefits can be that we're worse

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01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: and we enhance our draft status next year. I get

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01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:56,719
Speaker 1: that by building a team, but there are other issues

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01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 1: as well. We don't want that guy. I'm not talking

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01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: about anybody in particular. Don't want that guy in our team.

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01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 1: We don't think we're gonna be able to sign that guy.

1427
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 1: We don't like his work ethic, we don't like the

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01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 1: way he handles his teammates. And we can enhance our

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01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 1: draft status and you get rid of that guy. Is

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01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: that tanking? I don't think it is. If you're taking

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Speaker 1: talent off your roster that can infinitely help you that year. Yes, yes,

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01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: it is, because if the player, if you wanted to

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01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 1: truly go for it that year, you would work it out.

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01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,560
Speaker 1: Talent Trump's all in the NFL. And it's because, and

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01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: this is not a bad thing. The Bills had a vision.

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01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 1: I love that they had a vision. I love that

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01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: they built for sustained success. That this is something that

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01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 1: has been missing with this organization for years upon years

1439
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: upon years. How many free agent periods have come through,

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01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 1: drafts that have come through, or they're just trying to

1441
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: cobble it all together from year to year, as opposed

1442
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: to what Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott tried to do

1443
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: when they first got here. They ripped it clean good

1444
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 1: for them. They're trying to build it from the base

1445
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 1: boards and build it up, So I don't know. I mean,

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01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: tank has a negative connotation, yes, but what they are

1447
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: doing and what they're building is such a good thing

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01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 1: because they're trying to do it the right way. They're

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01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: trying to sustain that success. And the way for them

1450
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: to do it is to get rid of that talent

1451
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: on the roster, to arm themselves with enough picks so

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01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: that they have the chance to move up to get

1453
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. If they didn't have those picks, Josh Allen

1454
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 1: isn't here. It's that simple. So because they did all

1455
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 1: of that, because they took all those measurements, and we're

1456
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: able to we're able to self scout themselves and say, look,

1457
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: we might have a shot at the playoffs this year,

1458
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 1: but it's not necessarily the best thing for us for

1459
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: the long term to go into the twenty eighteen NFL

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01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 1: Draft with just armed with only our normal picks. They

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Speaker 1: knew that they had to do it, and in order

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01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: to do so, they have to take a step back

1463
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:50,560
Speaker 1: from a couple of different standpoints where they be defensively,

1464
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: which they did in twenty seventeen offensively, which they did

1465
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen and twenty seventeen for that matter. So

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01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 1: even though the word has a negative connotation, it is

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01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: absolutely what they did because they deprived themselves of talent

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01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 1: on the field that initial season and again in twenty eighteen.

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01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: Maybe we need a better word. Does tanking work in

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Speaker 1: the NFL our Twitter poll? That's the question. You can

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01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,640
Speaker 1: vote on the Twitter poll. You can tweet something, we

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01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 1: might read it on the tweet sheet. You can call

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01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 1: us up eight h three oh five fifty or two

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Speaker 1: three one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty.

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Speaker 1: Does tanking work in the NFL? Simple question on the

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Speaker 1: Twitter poll, And right now, fifty nine percent of you

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Speaker 1: say no, it does not climbing. It's climbing. You're getting

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Speaker 1: a task around me here, my tank oologists out there

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Speaker 1: from a guy named Jello on the tweet sheet. Usually

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Speaker 1: bad teams are run by bad people that make bad

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Speaker 1: moves and ruin any hope that a tank can work.

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Speaker 1: In general, I would say no, tanks don't work. No,

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Speaker 1: in general, I would say no, tanks don't work. But

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Speaker 1: the cold scot luck, so obviously some teams can pull

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Speaker 1: it off. He's kind of all over the place there won't. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think the Andrew Luck discussion is a little bit

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Speaker 1: more complex because I saw some comments via Twitter that

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Speaker 1: that said, oh, well, it hasn't worked for Indianapolis. Well,

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Speaker 1: they had to go through basically two seasons without that quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think that's that's fair to them. Also,

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Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is now that they have

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Speaker 1: some competency and in their general manager position, you're starting

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Speaker 1: to see them turn the corner and that run that

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean when when we were going to

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis to prepare to see the Bills play the Colts,

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Speaker 1: I remember watching the Colts film when they were one

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Speaker 1: and five. At the time, I'm like, Okay, Andrew Luck

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Speaker 1: looks like he's back one and two. This is a

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Speaker 1: way better team than one in five would indicate. And

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Speaker 1: they rattled off a bunch of wins. They got into

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Speaker 1: the playoffs and exactly and with Derek Anderson by the way. Um,

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01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: but but that is a team that's on the come

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01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 1: up because the quarterback is working, and because they made

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01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,679
Speaker 1: themselves worse that year when Peyton got hurt. They decided

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01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: to get Okay, let's let's just do this for long term,

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Speaker 1: sustained success, and it means the strongest arguments of tanking works.

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Speaker 1: Brian Cook tweets in Yes, tanking works in the NFL,

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01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 1: and the league is worse off for it. He says

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01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 1: it's the easy way out by giving up on a

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Speaker 1: team or a season, but it's also a vicious cycle

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Speaker 1: of poor camp management and for talent evaluation. It is

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Speaker 1: entirely possible to build a consistent contender without tanking, but

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Speaker 1: it takes work. I agree with that. There are plenty

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Speaker 1: of examples you can build a consistent contender without tanking.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to tank to win. Yeah, but how

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01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 1: are you going to get that quarterback? That's the whole

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01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: idea behind it, like, because everything else falls to the

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Speaker 1: wayside if you don't have the ability to go get

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Speaker 1: that quarterback, if you don't have the draft assets to

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Speaker 1: go do it. And that's why when the Bills went

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Speaker 1: out and they traded away Ronald Darby, Sammy Watkins, Corty Glenn,

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01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 1: when they did all these moves that took away talent

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01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: that would have started for them in twenty eighteen. Not

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01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: sure the Corty Glenn would have Joe, but go ahead,

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Speaker 1: Corty Glenn. I don't think he would have started. You're

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Speaker 1: telling me he's not better than Jordan Mills. He would

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Speaker 1: not have started in twenty eighteen. Now you say that

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Speaker 1: with certain not telling you is better than that. If

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01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 1: if he was on the roster for the Bills, he

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01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 1: would have been in the lineup. Okay, we're going down

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01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: a path here. I'm telling you, Okay, you would not

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01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: have started. That's fine, lost his starting job. I'm yere before.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, he's more talented and if you want

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Speaker 1: to and if you want to have the best five

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01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 1: out there, he's he was one of the most talented five.

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01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: Lost his starting as beat as it may. Sammy Watkins, Derby,

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01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 1: Cordy Glenn. There's other examples too of players that they treat.

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01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 1: Reggie Ragland another one that that that you throw into

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01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: the bucket here. But because they made all those moves,

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01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 1: they put themselves in the spot to be able to

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01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: go up and get Josh Helen. Without those moves, they

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01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't been able to do that. And that's that's the

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01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: that's the entire point behind Okay, move super califragilistic, explosious,

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01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 1: that's the entire point behind in the same category. John

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01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 1: and cheeked wager. Go ahead, John, you're on the air.

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, I think glad, glad, this changing thing. It's

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01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 1: a shoal management, is what it is. As far as

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01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: what you're talking about getting Josh Helen all right, we

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01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,719
Speaker 1: went to the playoffs the year before Josh Allen Kane

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01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 1: all right. And then when we did get Josh Allen,

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01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 1: the big debate was do we play him for the

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01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 1: season or do we shit them and let them learn

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01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: on the bench and get a losing record and get

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01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: a lower drafted No, we didn't do that. We went

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01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 1: on and we played them and finished strong. They had

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01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,599
Speaker 1: no other choice but to play him after two weeks,

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01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 1: which is a decision that they were forced into because

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01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 1: they got rid of AJ McCarron. By the way, they

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01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 1: didn't do it at all. Wait wait, what what what

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01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: did you just say they couldn't play Barkley Rush Barton.

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01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: I understand they could have. I'm saying after a week

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Speaker 1: two of the season, when it was fairly evident that

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01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: they could not have a look their players in the

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01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 1: eye and have them say, Okay, we're gonna go win

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01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: with Nathan Peterman. They could not have done that. Their

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01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: hand was forced. If they if they wanted, if they

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01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 1: wanted Josh Allen to be the starter right away, he

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01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 1: would have been if they if they wanted to him

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01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: to sit to the side and learn a little bit,

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01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 1: then then that's that was their prerogative. But because they

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01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 1: went into the roster, went in the season with only

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Speaker 1: two quarterbacks, one of which being Nathan Peterman, found out

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01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:12,679
Speaker 1: that that was not able to work for them any longer.

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01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 1: Their hand was forced. I'm sorry it was. There's no

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01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 1: other way to look at it, because they chose to

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01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: move on from A. J. Mccarren. I tottly disagree there because,

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Speaker 1: like I said, if they were going to do that,

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01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 1: they would they would have said in the second half

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01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 1: of the season there And no, no, once you once

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01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:28,679
Speaker 1: you take off the band aid and put the rookie

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01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: quarterback in, you have to go back to him. Yes,

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01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: you do, You absolutely do. You cannot. You cannot. You

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01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: cannot bench your rookie quarterback after you initially put him

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01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 1: in the starting lineup, because that is what they did

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01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 1: to EJ. Manuel, and EJ was screwed up from that

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01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: point forward. You Manuel, and you got you got you guys,

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01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 1: um in h and McDermott versus versus Willis and Rex Ryan.

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01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,719
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not disputing that whatsoever. I'm just saying

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01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 1: they could not have had Barkley start the rest of

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Speaker 1: the season when Josh Allen was healthy, because they had

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01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 1: already ripped that band aid off and had him start

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01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 1: from from that point for it, it was again, it

1593
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: was their choice to start Nathan Peterman at the start

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01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,639
Speaker 1: of the season because they for some reason, they felt

1595
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: like Josh Allen wasn't ready to go into the starting

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01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 1: lineup at that point in time. They felt like Nathan

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01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 1: Peterman was the better man for the job. Also, it

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01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 1: was their choice to trade away a J McCarron who

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01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 1: could have been starting once it became abundantly clear that

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Speaker 1: Nathan Peterman could not ever be a starting quarterback for them. Again. Okay,

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01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 1: so then so then what then? What what are we

1602
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: disagreeing about here? Learning on the field? The guys fits strong,

1603
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 1: that's all, thank you, poor management. We look at Rex Ryan,

1604
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 1: I don't care about Rex and Doug. That's over with

1605
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 1: Brandon being they have a clear as day plan and

1606
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 1: we all agree on that point. But I think we're

1607
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 1: all getting What we're all getting hung up on here

1608
01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 1: is the fact that everyone has everyone hears the were

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01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 1: tank and people just clam up. It's like, no, no, no,

1610
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:04,759
Speaker 1: my team's not doing that. There are so many ways

1611
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: to go about it, especially in the NFL, the NFL

1612
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 1: in its essence, I mean it, taking is so much

1613
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:11,639
Speaker 1: different in the NFL than it is in the NBA.

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01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 1: Ryan Dog Wally made I'm done with Whale and Duck

1615
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 1: and Whale and Rex there. I understand they put them.

1616
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:23,560
Speaker 1: They put the Bills in a really bad spot. I

1617
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 1: get that, I totally get that, but they are not

1618
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 1: here anymore. All of the decisions I'm talking about are

1619
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 1: what being in McDermott chose to do. Right, they calculated moves.

1620
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 1: It's a different story exactly terms in terms of calculated moves,

1621
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 1: that might be a little different. Okay, but it's still

1622
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 1: still thanking, still taking this tanking work in the NFL.

1623
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 1: That's the question, not real. The question was not did

1624
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: the Bills tank? Uh in what last year did you say,

1625
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 1: or two years ago or both? What did the Bills

1626
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: tank last year two years ago? Well? If by if

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01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 1: by taking away all of the talent they had on

1628
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: the roster. It was a it was a two year

1629
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 1: plan to get better and to fix everything all in

1630
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 1: one So, yes, right, that's all. You can't just you

1631
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 1: can't just say wrong you're saying for an hour. You

1632
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 1: can you can just say disagree, disagree saying saying wrong.

1633
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 1: It's entirely condescending. I disagree because you're wrong. We're gonna

1634
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,640
Speaker 1: come all right, I'm not being condescending. I love you.

1635
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 1: We're coming back. One Bill's Live from One Bill's Driving.

1636
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to the show.

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01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 1: One of Bill's Live, John Murphy along with Joe Viscallia,

1638
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 1: who's still here. We were where they were worry in

1639
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: the other room. You're gonna walk out. No, I'm just

1640
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 1: like said, don't don't check, don't dude, don't condescend. I'm

1641
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 1: not kndescending. I disagree with you, now, did you disagree? Yeah?

1642
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 1: Discourse is all I'm about. That's it. And when when

1643
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 1: we can if people have two different opinions, I love

1644
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 1: it because then you start to learn things from from

1645
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 1: the other. From the other person, I've learned things today.

1646
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:54,560
Speaker 1: I hope you have learned things today. And and and

1647
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 1: learned different opinions. That's what it's all about. Talk radio,

1648
01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:59,680
Speaker 1: get a hold of it. Yeah, two o'clock today, we're

1649
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 1: gonna talk radio with Field Yates from ESPN. He's got

1650
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: the Bills as one of the winners in the first

1651
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 1: week in free agency last week. We'll talk with him

1652
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 1: about that. We're taking your phone calls two eight oh

1653
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: three five fifty and toll free one eight eight eight

1654
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty. Let's go to Brian in Williamsville. Hello, Brian,

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01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: go ahead, you're on the air with us. Yeah, look

1656
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 1: forward as he's seeing the Pittsburgh Spheres game. That might

1657
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 1: be the highlight the sized UM, the New England Patriots game,

1658
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 1: and the one with my good friend coming back with

1659
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: the Mingami Dolphins that played for the Bills his quarterback. Now,

1660
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh game is in Pittsburgh, Brian, you know that, right?

1661
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Okay, a lot of drivable games this year. Yeah.

1662
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:45,719
Speaker 1: By the way, that's that's that's pretty good for Bills

1663
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: road road schedule for for UM fans that want to

1664
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:52,680
Speaker 1: go see him. I think Cleveland's drivable. Uh Nashville is

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01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 1: essentially driving. Oh yeah, but there's now a direction the

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01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 1: Giants game. Do you see that news? Yeah, I did

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01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 1: see that. Yeah, that's that's to keith Um. You can

1668
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 1: drive to Boston obviously, you can drive to New York twice. Yeah,

1669
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 1: well to drive. The only ones that aren't I think

1670
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 1: are Dallas and watching them in the roads. Yeah. I

1671
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 1: think it's Dallas house and that's it. Yeah, you got

1672
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 1: New England. Oh, Miami. Miami is the other one that's not.

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Speaker 1: Drive England, Dallas, Giants, Tennessee on rope. All here from

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01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: Tom and Lackawanna. Hello Tom, Welcome to the show. Hey guys,

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01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 1: hi um agree to disagree anyways, Joe, what's up? Compare

1676
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 1: and give me some info on some players opinion of

1677
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 1: the tool against these are. Compare the two tight ends

1678
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 1: from Iowa Fane and Hockenburg or whatever his name is,

1679
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 1: and then for them to craft or craft and then

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01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 1: also what do you think hackeen Butler in the second round. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to mislead you because I haven't done

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Speaker 1: my work on tight Ends yet to be truth be told,

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01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 1: and I know all about what they present. I would

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01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 1: much I would feel a lot more comfortable getting my

1685
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: hands on the tape and watching them before giving you

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01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 1: a false opinion, to be honest with you, but they

1687
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 1: are in terms of the roster. I do think they're

1688
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:15,559
Speaker 1: going to add a tight end in the draft at

1689
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: some point. I think the roster is begging for a

1690
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:20,879
Speaker 1: young tight end. I don't. I mean, they can continue

1691
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: to develop Jason Krum, but they do need some competition

1692
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 1: for Croft as well as someone to develop along the way.

1693
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: And I believe, I believe when you have a Brian

1694
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 1: Dable lad offense that you need multiple tight ends. And

1695
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 1: I think we said it yesterday. There was a lot

1696
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 1: of weeks that they only dress two tight ends. And

1697
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 1: I know that's something that Dabel really doesn't want to

1698
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 1: do based on all his time in New England, the

1699
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 1: fact that he cut his teeth in New England as

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01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 1: the tight ends coach. So you know, not to go

1701
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: away from the Iowa guys. I just don't want to

1702
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 1: give you a false opinion. Man, all right, And what

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01:27:56,040 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 1: do you think of Accer oh Butler, big, tall, fast,

1704
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 1: long arms, explosive. He's probably in that second crop of

1705
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 1: guys that we were talking about yesterday. It really all

1706
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 1: depends what flavor receiver you're looking for because I mean,

1707
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 1: if you're looking for someone who has a little bit

1708
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 1: more versatility to their game, I don't know if Butler

1709
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 1: is necessarily that. Like, if you want versatility, you can

1710
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: look to guys like aj Brown from Ole, miss Stebo

1711
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 1: Samuel from South Carolina. These guys that can play both

1712
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 1: inside and outside. Ar Sega white Side's a guy with

1713
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 1: a little bit more height to him, a little bit

1714
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 1: more size to him, but he can still play inside

1715
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 1: and outside. So yeah, there there are. It just depends

1716
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 1: on what flavor they're looking for, and I think they

1717
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 1: they probably want to go more versatile that at least

1718
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:46,560
Speaker 1: that that would be my read if they were to

1719
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 1: add a wide receiver in the second or third round.

1720
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 1: Tom Thanks. One of them called this hour from Joe

1721
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 1: in Buffalo. Joe, go ahead, you're on the air with us. Yeah,

1722
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: I was just curious, Um, you didn't mention at all

1723
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 1: the fans perspective on teams taking right. Believe that there's

1724
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 1: a lot of hometown fans in Cleveland, Buffalo that wanted

1725
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 1: their teams to tank to get that higher draft pick.

1726
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:12,679
Speaker 1: I think fans believe that the higher draft pick will

1727
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 1: ensure a little bit more more victories. Yeah, and I

1728
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 1: think that's part of it as well. You know, fan

1729
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 1: opinion is important to teams, don't get me wrong, but

1730
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:25,560
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, in the

1731
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 1: situation like the Bills, like the Browns, the total ideal

1732
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 1: is to have this long term, sustained success more than anything.

1733
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: So that way, it's just not And even when the

1734
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 1: Bills made the playoffs with the nine and seven record,

1735
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 1: they're just like, this isn't just about making the playoffs

1736
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 1: for one year. We want to build for something greater.

1737
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 1: We want to build to a championship. And that's why

1738
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 1: that's why they're they're doing taking the steps that they

1739
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 1: are to where they're building with their draft picks. And

1740
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 1: they didn't have a lot of free agents leave this

1741
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 1: year because they didn't have a lot of good free

1742
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 1: agents to leave this year, and so they're they're just

1743
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 1: continuing to build from the ground up. And I think

1744
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of fans would like to see,

1745
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 1: because I mean, we're also living in a video game

1746
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 1: society now, and I know, growing up, I used to

1747
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 1: rip down and build rosters back up, and I'm sure

1748
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:16,640
Speaker 1: a lot of fans out there did the same and

1749
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:20,520
Speaker 1: They like to see some fresh ideas, some fresh perspectives

1750
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 1: rather than just trying to piece it all together and

1751
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 1: make it work with a quarterback that is a mid

1752
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 1: level guy. Does it work to take in the NFL.

1753
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 1: That's been a hot topic today. We'll pick this up

1754
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:33,679
Speaker 1: again in our number three. Also Field Yates from ESPN

1755
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 1: NFL Insight or Standing Body to join us after at

1756
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 1: the top of the hour, Come on back, One goes High,

1757
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 1: presented by Collat of Health from One Bill's Drive. This

1758
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 1: is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Hello Bills Radio Network Sports. The

1759
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,599
Speaker 1: update coming from One Bill's Drive. Quiet here today around

1760
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:01,599
Speaker 1: the league pretty quiet as well. Former Bengals linebacker Bontes

1761
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 1: Berfect is visiting the Oakland Raiders today, visiting his old

1762
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:08,680
Speaker 1: defense coordinator, Paul Gunther There. Berfiict was cut by the

1763
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:12,600
Speaker 1: Bengals yesterday. Burficks had a rough year last year. He

1764
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 1: has not played more than eleven games in a season

1765
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 1: since twenty thirteen because of suspensions and injuries. Bontes Berfect

1766
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 1: visiting with the Raiders today. The Cowboys they're talking to

1767
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins a possible trade for Robert Quinn. Quinn

1768
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 1: spotted on his way to visit the Cowboys, You'd have

1769
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 1: to sign off on any deal. Leaving the rebuilding Dolphins

1770
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys will be a beneficial move for Quinn,

1771
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:36,839
Speaker 1: a twenty eight year old pass rush specialist. Lake Portoles

1772
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 1: has a new home in the NFL. The former first

1773
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 1: round pick of the Jacksonville Jaguars is now a backup

1774
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 1: quarterback with the Los Angeles Rams. He will back up

1775
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 1: Jared Goff with the Rams. He was cut by the

1776
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 1: Jaguars after five rough seasons just after the Jaguars sign

1777
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 1: pregeon quarterback Nick Foles last week. Dave Gentleman says the

1778
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 1: Giants can still win while they rebuild. You can win

1779
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 1: while you're building, he said yesterday in a conference call

1780
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 1: that came after the trade last week for Odell Beckham

1781
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 1: Junior going to Cleveland in exchange for first and third

1782
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 1: round trafficks in third years safety Jabrol Peppers, Buffalo Sabers

1783
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 1: in action tomorrow night against the Toronto maple Lea's face

1784
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 1: off seven o'clock. The Leaves play in Nashville tonight. They're

1785
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:19,839
Speaker 1: coming off a six two loss to the Ottawa Senators

1786
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 1: on Saturday. Savers won their last game Sunday, a fourth

1787
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,639
Speaker 1: three shoot I win over the Saint Louis Blues. Youb

1788
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,760
Speaker 1: women found out yesterday they will face Rutgers in the

1789
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 1: NCAA Tournament the twenty nineteen Mid American Conference champion ub Bulls.

1790
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 1: They've been put in the Albany Origin. They'll head the Stores,

1791
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 1: Connecticut at Gamble Pavilion. The play Rutgers. UB is a

1792
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 1: ten seed. They'll face seven seed Rutgers on Friday afternoon

1793
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 1: at four thirty pm. The game nationally on ESPN two.

1794
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 1: And in baseball, the Angels finalizing the deal with star

1795
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,639
Speaker 1: centerfielder Mike Trout twelve years more than four to thirty

1796
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 1: million dollars. It'll be the largest contract in professional sports history.

1797
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:00,320
Speaker 1: Somebody made a point about the guaranteed money in base Well, Jay,

1798
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 1: I'm looking it up here. An average of thirty six

1799
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 1: million dollars a year guaranteed, I believe like forty three

1800
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 1: million in this contract. Crazy contract. And the point that

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01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 1: they made was that the largest football guarantees are a

1802
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 1: fraction of that Baseball generate that kind of revenue. I

1803
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: don't know, it's certainly not in the stands. I mean,

1804
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: I guess they do have eighty one regular season games,

1805
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 1: but Mike Trout, but he might go down as one

1806
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 1: of the best to ever do it. Yeah. So I mean,

1807
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:30,720
Speaker 1: if you're going to spend it, Yeah, then I guess

1808
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 1: he's the guy. Yeah. Hey, we are a week removed

1809
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 1: from the first week of free agency. Were in week

1810
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 1: two now, and ESPN is taking an assessment of how

1811
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 1: teams did in the first week, including with our next guest.

1812
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:44,679
Speaker 1: He is NFL inside It for ESPN, the co host

1813
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:48,719
Speaker 1: of the Fantasy Football podcast and a contributor to ESPN's

1814
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 1: NFL Live Field Yates on the line with this field

1815
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 1: is John Murphy and your old buddy Joe BUSCOTTI here

1816
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 1: in Buffalo. Thanks for joining up the field, John and Joe.

1817
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 1: How are you doing, gentlemen, And good to catch up

1818
01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, good to catch up with you. So.

1819
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 1: ESPN well surveyed about eight or ten NFL experts who

1820
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 1: did the best job in the first week of NFL

1821
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 1: free agency, and you alone came up with the Buffalo Bills.

1822
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 1: What did you see Herefield? What did you like about

1823
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 1: what the Bills did? Yeah? Before I rile up any

1824
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 1: of our Northeast Ohio listeners if there are any of those,

1825
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 1: this was actually a question that was specifically under the

1826
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 1: guise of the Browns cannot be included. Obviously, what Cleveland

1827
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 1: has done really stood out, But I think the Bills

1828
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 1: have laid a plan. And I think that when I

1829
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:31,599
Speaker 1: examine how teams do in free agency, it's not merely

1830
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 1: about who added the most talent, who spent the most money,

1831
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:37,920
Speaker 1: who signed the most players, but whose vision was executed.

1832
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 1: And I know that for a while it probably got

1833
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 1: boring to Buffalo Bills stands when Sean McDermott used the

1834
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 1: word process. I think there was a time where Joe

1835
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:47,840
Speaker 1: was counting it on Twitter and it was like, you know,

1836
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 1: seven times a press company even he even used it

1837
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 1: and then winked at me one press conference field No Joe,

1838
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:55,560
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm sure this is like, you know,

1839
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:57,719
Speaker 1: this is just one of those tried and true statements

1840
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 1: that you don't necessarily want to hear over and over.

1841
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 1: That's being set and look at what the Bill did,

1842
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 1: and you know, this window of having a young quarterback

1843
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 1: on his rookie contract is important because it allows you

1844
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:12,600
Speaker 1: to spend differently. And I thought the Bills did an

1845
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 1: awesome job of identifying players that are no doubt about it.

1846
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:20,759
Speaker 1: Core pieces of the roster going forward and spending commiserate

1847
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 1: with their value. Right. Look, if you expected to get

1848
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 1: Mitch Morse for four years and thirty two million dollars,

1849
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 1: then you were swimming in the wrong stream. Right. You

1850
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 1: get Mitch Morse, a likely plug in play starter for

1851
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 1: the next four seasons, for eleven million dollars a top

1852
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 1: of the market rate, and guys like Cole Beasley and

1853
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:40,640
Speaker 1: John Brown. We saw that wide receiver market sort of

1854
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 1: explode in the middle tier more than it has in

1855
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 1: previous off seasons. But then the importance of these one

1856
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 1: year deals, whether it's someone like Ladrian Waddle who was

1857
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:51,760
Speaker 1: signed over the weekend, and I don't think necessarily as

1858
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 1: much Frank or because Frankcore really is year to year

1859
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 1: at this stage of his career, but I think about

1860
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 1: someone like Watch. Now. I'm not saying that the builds

1861
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 1: are going to turn him into a six year starter

1862
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 1: at offensive tackle, but probably he comes in and at

1863
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:07,680
Speaker 1: worse is your swing tackle next year, And if you

1864
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 1: like him enough, you've got an advantage to extend him

1865
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 1: long term by having some familiarity with him in the building.

1866
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 1: And if it doesn't work out, there's basically no risk.

1867
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 1: It's a one year deal. He's off the books in

1868
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:21,719
Speaker 1: an off season from now. And I think that Brandon

1869
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:24,880
Speaker 1: Being has been pretty transparent about how the salary cap

1870
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 1: equation has shifted for the Bills since one or two

1871
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 1: off seasons ago. And I just have a lot of

1872
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:32,479
Speaker 1: respects for the way that they're going about their business. Yeah,

1873
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 1: And I brought I brought this up with we had

1874
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:38,800
Speaker 1: Armando Sealgero on because we were talking about the tank

1875
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 1: with him that's going on down to Miami, and it's

1876
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 1: just it just kind of strikes me the way that

1877
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:45,599
Speaker 1: Brandon Being structured a lot of his deals this year.

1878
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 1: And I wonder from your perspective, because you look at

1879
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:52,639
Speaker 1: the NFL at more of a macro level in terms

1880
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:54,719
Speaker 1: of what you see, the way that Brandon Being structured

1881
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 1: his deals outside of the Morse one was cash upfront,

1882
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:02,960
Speaker 1: low relatively low signing bonuses that have a low pro

1883
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 1: ration over the term of the deal, and then the

1884
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:08,679
Speaker 1: ability to get out after one year. Is that something

1885
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:11,479
Speaker 1: that's become more commonplace in the NFL? Or is that

1886
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:13,960
Speaker 1: kind of a unique way that Brandon Bean's kind of

1887
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 1: doing his business. Yeah, I think We've seen it through

1888
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 1: a handful of different teams. I mean, we've seen like

1889
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers a shoe signing bonuses. I don't even bother

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01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:25,680
Speaker 1: with the signing bonus thinks flat dower page. You go,

1891
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:27,760
Speaker 1: which has the merits? That has some risks. I mean

1892
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 1: every system or every formula has some risks, right, that's

1893
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 1: just the reality of it. You know, you pay a

1894
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 1: lot of cash upfront and this player doesn't deliver. You've

1895
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:37,640
Speaker 1: got to go to the Pagoulas at the end of

1896
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:39,680
Speaker 1: the year and say, we just paid this guy by

1897
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:41,680
Speaker 1: six seven eight million dollars and the guy was not

1898
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 1: a contributor. That's somebody you have to justify to your

1899
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 1: ownership group. But I think it's smart because ultimately, the

1900
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:49,640
Speaker 1: model you want to build is want to sustainability, and

1901
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:51,640
Speaker 1: where you don't want to be is I think you

1902
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:54,280
Speaker 1: don't want to be in a situation where they're awesome.

1903
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 1: They are really, really, really good. But the Saints, for example,

1904
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 1: have got a lot of dead money on the books,

1905
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 1: and it's going to get really a year from now

1906
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 1: when Drew Brees, even if he's still playing, is counting

1907
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:07,719
Speaker 1: in dead money alone some twenty million dollars plus whatever

1908
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:10,280
Speaker 1: he counts if he actually works to sign a new

1909
01:38:10,360 --> 01:38:12,640
Speaker 1: contract to play beyond this year. So I think that

1910
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 1: what it does is it builds the window. I just

1911
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 1: think that other teams are more they're on a different timeline.

1912
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:19,840
Speaker 1: Right when you've got a forty year old quarterback, you're

1913
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:22,519
Speaker 1: probably a little bit less concerned about five years from

1914
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 1: now as opposed to you know, the Buffalo Bills. We're

1915
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 1: probably saying to themselves, listen, if we do this right,

1916
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:29,840
Speaker 1: We've got some of the ingredients in place to do

1917
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:32,880
Speaker 1: this for ten years. And you know, nothing's guarantee in

1918
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 1: the NFL. And I'm going to sound like a boring

1919
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:36,720
Speaker 1: cliche at this point, but I just think that if

1920
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:39,639
Speaker 1: your plan is to try to win over the next

1921
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:43,759
Speaker 1: seven to ten years, it doesn't just happen by striking

1922
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:47,599
Speaker 1: big with a couple of smart draft picks. It's done

1923
01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways, and that's including managing

1924
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:52,720
Speaker 1: a really smart salary cap field along those lines, it

1925
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:55,200
Speaker 1: occurs to me that and it's taken some time, but

1926
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:58,559
Speaker 1: most teams now and it appears the Bills are among them.

1927
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 1: Most teams handle the cap a lot better than they did,

1928
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:03,800
Speaker 1: say ten twelve years ago, right, I mean, most teams

1929
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 1: know how to manipulate it better and know how to

1930
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:08,760
Speaker 1: play it better. Know what it always helps too when

1931
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 1: the cap goes up every year. But don't you think

1932
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:13,559
Speaker 1: teams are much more adept at playing the free agent

1933
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:15,679
Speaker 1: market these days and they were even five years ago.

1934
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:18,320
Speaker 1: You Know, It's interesting because I think that there are

1935
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 1: teams that have made a quantum leap, and whether that's

1936
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 1: because of the new general manager involved, whether it's because

1937
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 1: of just observations of other teams that have done it

1938
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:29,759
Speaker 1: right around the NFL. But I still see some heavy

1939
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 1: handed deals in free agency. At One thing that I

1940
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 1: think is important to remember is that you know, as

1941
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 1: much as you can identify a deal that may look

1942
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 1: bad at the outset, from a long term perspective. I

1943
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:44,720
Speaker 1: think the team that comes to mind right now is, like,

1944
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:48,160
Speaker 1: you know, we understand there's a lot of risk involved

1945
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:50,880
Speaker 1: to sign a running back like lady On Beld to

1946
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:53,759
Speaker 1: a deal that starts at thirteen million dollars per seasons.

1947
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 1: But if you're Mike macagney's a general manager there, and

1948
01:39:56,439 --> 01:39:59,599
Speaker 1: you understand that you need to have a much improved

1949
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:02,000
Speaker 1: roster of this season, or you might not be the

1950
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 1: general manager next year, that you might have to go

1951
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:07,360
Speaker 1: and be a little bit more heavy hand and be

1952
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:11,080
Speaker 1: a little bit more generous than maybe you initially anticipated

1953
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 1: if you were to value Levon Bell, all things being equal.

1954
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 1: So I understand why teams do spend differently in free agency.

1955
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 1: I think that ultimately, and this is sort of you know,

1956
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:25,240
Speaker 1: I think I'm looking for like some Pollyanna situation here,

1957
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 1: but like ideally, you aren't ever getting to the point

1958
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:31,439
Speaker 1: where you have to overspend. Ideally, you are laying the

1959
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 1: foundation by spending wisely and that each year, and you know,

1960
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:37,559
Speaker 1: the poster child to this remains the Patriot's You don't

1961
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,559
Speaker 1: have to be aggressive every single season. You can kind

1962
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:45,120
Speaker 1: of spend as you see fit and expect sustainability. Field.

1963
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:49,200
Speaker 1: You were saying in the ESPN survey of various NFL insiders,

1964
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:52,920
Speaker 1: the Browns get a pass. They were kind of heavy handed,

1965
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:55,439
Speaker 1: weren't they over the last couple of weeks. Yeah, they were.

1966
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:57,680
Speaker 1: And that's sure, And that's a fair example of how

1967
01:40:57,800 --> 01:40:59,880
Speaker 1: a you know, circumstances can dictate that it might be.

1968
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:02,160
Speaker 1: It's more sense. Right, You've got Baker Mayfield in year

1969
01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 1: two of his contract, You've got Miles Garrett in year

1970
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:08,360
Speaker 1: three of his contract because Mayfield. Eventually, by the time

1971
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 1: he's getting paid, assuming he continues on his trajectory, it

1972
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:13,960
Speaker 1: might be thirty five million dollars per year based off

1973
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:16,840
Speaker 1: where the quarterback market is heading, and Miles Garrett it

1974
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:19,120
Speaker 1: might be twenty two million dollars a year based off

1975
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:21,720
Speaker 1: where the pass Russian market is heading. But I think

1976
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:23,640
Speaker 1: that when you look at what the Browns did with

1977
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 1: the cap space they had available, the Kevin Zeiler for

1978
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:30,080
Speaker 1: Olivier Vernon trade was somewhat cap neutral. I mean they're

1979
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:33,000
Speaker 1: not you know, the Giants did incurse some savings, but

1980
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:36,639
Speaker 1: it wasn't like Cleveland, you know, took on a bunch

1981
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:40,719
Speaker 1: of additional cap space to acquire Olivier Vernon when trading

1982
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:43,960
Speaker 1: Kevin Zeitler and the Odell Beckham junior deal. I think

1983
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 1: that one right there is that's like, that's too rich

1984
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:48,640
Speaker 1: of an opportunity to pass up, right. I mean, in

1985
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:52,240
Speaker 1: some ways he's the ideal entity in this sense. Twenty

1986
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 1: six years old, you know what he is. There's not

1987
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:57,960
Speaker 1: the unpredictability in terms of on fieldability. Now he's also

1988
01:41:58,040 --> 01:42:01,639
Speaker 1: got five years left at five million dollars, five years,

1989
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 1: ninety five million dollars or whatever. The exact amount of

1990
01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:07,360
Speaker 1: cash due to Odell Beckham Junior is in line with

1991
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,680
Speaker 1: what he deserves to pay. It's not be paid. It's

1992
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 1: not like you're acquiring a player and Okay, a year

1993
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:14,200
Speaker 1: from now, we're going to have to decide. And in

1994
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:17,080
Speaker 1: the NBA it's always about you max this guy out. Right. Well,

1995
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:19,720
Speaker 1: in the NFL, you've got Odell Beckham Junior paid how

1996
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:22,160
Speaker 1: he should be paid. And you know, I understand that

1997
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:24,720
Speaker 1: wide receivers. Any player can make up his mind and

1998
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:26,759
Speaker 1: beside he needs a new deal. But for now, Odell

1999
01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:30,080
Speaker 1: team's content on that current five year package. Heyfield, what

2000
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:33,839
Speaker 1: do you make of what the Jets this did this offseason?

2001
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:37,240
Speaker 1: Because they that's a team that was very heavy handed

2002
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:39,439
Speaker 1: in their approach and they probably could have spent more

2003
01:42:39,479 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 1: if Anthony Barr had not backed out of his deal.

2004
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:43,200
Speaker 1: So what do you make of what they did? Is

2005
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:45,200
Speaker 1: there is that maybe a little bit brought on by

2006
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:47,760
Speaker 1: pressure on mccagnan or what do you What do you

2007
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:50,600
Speaker 1: make of that entire situation in New Jersey? Yeah, I

2008
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 1: clearly agree with you that this might be a matter

2009
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:55,720
Speaker 1: of Hey Mike mccagnan understood that, like he couldn't sit

2010
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 1: around and observe in free agency. You had to go

2011
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:01,639
Speaker 1: out there. You had directive, probably from the highest level,

2012
01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:04,040
Speaker 1: that we need to get this done. We need to

2013
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:07,640
Speaker 1: get better. We cannot afford another season. We're picking in

2014
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:09,920
Speaker 1: the top six six. Last year they train them at

2015
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 1: the three. Now this year they're at pick three. And

2016
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:14,840
Speaker 1: remember they're a little bit handcuffed in terms of trap

2017
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 1: capital because of the trades that they have made, including

2018
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 1: the one last year that eventually netted them Sam Darnald.

2019
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:22,360
Speaker 1: I believe they're down to just six picks right now

2020
01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:24,760
Speaker 1: for the Jets, which is very rare for a team

2021
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:27,720
Speaker 1: that is in a full on rebuild right now. So

2022
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:30,479
Speaker 1: they said, our best chance to get better this year

2023
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:33,000
Speaker 1: is to make Sam Darnald better, which will come through

2024
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 1: his own development, his own comfort level, his own familiarity

2025
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 1: with everything that goes into being an NFL quarterback, but

2026
01:43:39,160 --> 01:43:41,960
Speaker 1: also through things like hey, lady on Bell. At thirteen

2027
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:44,120
Speaker 1: million dollars a year, it might be bad business in

2028
01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:46,360
Speaker 1: a couple of seasons, but next year you have a player.

2029
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 1: The last time we saw him was one of the

2030
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:52,080
Speaker 1: most dynamic offensive playmakers we had in the NFL. I

2031
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:54,519
Speaker 1: don't want to say that the NFL has overfought lady

2032
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:57,240
Speaker 1: On Bell, but I do think at some point fans

2033
01:43:57,320 --> 01:43:59,600
Speaker 1: have made lady On Bell to borrow a baseball s

2034
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:02,439
Speaker 1: attistick like his wins above. Replacement is like one. No.

2035
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,400
Speaker 1: I think the answer is that lady On Bell is

2036
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:07,559
Speaker 1: maybe one of the more valuable running backs in football.

2037
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:11,440
Speaker 1: It's just at that position in general, is more replaceable

2038
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:13,960
Speaker 1: than almost every other spot on the roster. But the

2039
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:16,840
Speaker 1: Jet had no choice. Whether it actually bears out the

2040
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:19,200
Speaker 1: way that it needs to an order for Mike mccaguan

2041
01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:20,640
Speaker 1: to be able to see this all through, it's a

2042
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:23,280
Speaker 1: separate question, but I think for now, the you know,

2043
01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:26,519
Speaker 1: the Jets are definitely better compared they were where they were,

2044
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:29,400
Speaker 1: you know, a month ago. On the line with Field Yates,

2045
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:33,520
Speaker 1: NFL insider for ESPN, he and several other ESPN insiders

2046
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:36,479
Speaker 1: have ranked which team is most improved after the first

2047
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:39,400
Speaker 1: team of free agency. Some of your compatriots are Field

2048
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:42,680
Speaker 1: named the Green Bay Packers, who didn't do a lot,

2049
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:45,400
Speaker 1: it seems, but you and also might argue they didn't

2050
01:44:45,400 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 1: need to do a whole lot, right, What do you think, yeah, well,

2051
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:50,799
Speaker 1: I think that you know, the Packers sort of addressed

2052
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 1: their biggest need this offseason in the pass rush, right

2053
01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:57,200
Speaker 1: the Darius Smith and Preston Smith no relation to my knowledge,

2054
01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 1: both signed this offseason to excellent money and two guys

2055
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:03,639
Speaker 1: who made me the average fan. I sort of hate

2056
01:45:03,680 --> 01:45:05,880
Speaker 1: to use that term because I don't want to underscore

2057
01:45:06,040 --> 01:45:09,360
Speaker 1: or undercut the intelligence of those who watched the game

2058
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:11,840
Speaker 1: less intently than those maybe who work in it. But

2059
01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:14,439
Speaker 1: you know, Zonarius Smith eight and a half sacks last year.

2060
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:16,800
Speaker 1: I think Preston Smith at like six sacks last year.

2061
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 1: But again, the golden rule of free agency is that

2062
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:21,160
Speaker 1: you're not paying for production. You're paying for the traits

2063
01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:25,479
Speaker 1: that leads to future production. And Zonarius Smith player that

2064
01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 1: had his best season last year from Baltimore. What an

2065
01:45:27,960 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 1: exodus they had in terms of talent on the defensive

2066
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:33,040
Speaker 1: side of the ball. But when you play in a

2067
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:37,240
Speaker 1: division that has what we think are two really good

2068
01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:41,719
Speaker 1: teams going into next year in Minnesota and Chicago again,

2069
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:43,759
Speaker 1: and then I think a team that's making some strides

2070
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:46,519
Speaker 1: in Detroit, you need pass rushers, and you need pass

2071
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:49,080
Speaker 1: rushers regardless of who you play every single week, So

2072
01:45:49,120 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 1: I think the Packers I had an identity of what

2073
01:45:51,479 --> 01:45:54,080
Speaker 1: they wanted to be this year in free agency, and

2074
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 1: you know it's not your father's Packers. The day of

2075
01:45:56,920 --> 01:46:00,479
Speaker 1: Ted Thompson basically taken the months of art, which is

2076
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:02,639
Speaker 1: normally free agency, to just go out there and scout

2077
01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:06,439
Speaker 1: players or pro days. Those days are open. They feel

2078
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:11,000
Speaker 1: what can you say about the Giants this year in

2079
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:14,200
Speaker 1: free agency and what could possibly be some of the

2080
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:16,639
Speaker 1: x men? I know, Geentleman did a length it seemed

2081
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:19,120
Speaker 1: like a lengthy conference call with the media today. Did

2082
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:21,080
Speaker 1: he shed any light on what his plan is? He's

2083
01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:23,920
Speaker 1: not really interested in shedding light. It doesn't appear. Yeah.

2084
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:27,840
Speaker 1: I had an interesting call yesterday, Gentleman. And you know

2085
01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:29,880
Speaker 1: my takeaways from that, by the way, or that and

2086
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:32,519
Speaker 1: and here's the bottom line. You can't agree with him,

2087
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:35,280
Speaker 1: or you cannot agree with him. But Dave Getleman believe that,

2088
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:38,360
Speaker 1: um that that Eli Manning still has a lot of

2089
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:40,720
Speaker 1: football left in him, or at least good football left

2090
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:42,320
Speaker 1: m Maybe not a lot of good football left in them,

2091
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:44,640
Speaker 1: but some good football left in him. And you know,

2092
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:47,040
Speaker 1: I started off this interview mentioning the idea of having

2093
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:49,360
Speaker 1: a process of having a vision and like, I understand

2094
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:51,920
Speaker 1: what the Bills moves are and I'm a big and

2095
01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 1: again I'm Joe's probably gonna wanna, you know, give me

2096
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:56,600
Speaker 1: a noogie right now for saying this, But you know,

2097
01:46:56,600 --> 01:47:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm a big process over results guy, and I think

2098
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 1: that ultimately these free agent signings that we saw from

2099
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:05,400
Speaker 1: the builds might work out, they might not. Who knows.

2100
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:07,400
Speaker 1: Maybe a year from now, John Brown's not with the Bills,

2101
01:47:07,439 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's going to be the case,

2102
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:12,040
Speaker 1: but who knows. And maybe a year from now Goldtate

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01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:15,479
Speaker 1: leads the NFL in catches, but I wouldn't count on that.

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01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:18,439
Speaker 1: And I just think that if you look closely at

2105
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:20,840
Speaker 1: what the Giants have done and you break it down,

2106
01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 1: something suggests an arrow pointing up, something suggests an arrow

2107
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:27,840
Speaker 1: pointing down, Something suggests, you know, like the bottoming out.

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01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:30,880
Speaker 1: Something suggests that they're trying to get better for twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: And it's hard for me to figure out exactly what

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01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 1: the plan is in New York. And I don't think

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01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:38,519
Speaker 1: that Dave Getleman made it any clear from what he

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01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:40,799
Speaker 1: said yesterday. I think that a lot of people present

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01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:43,160
Speaker 1: company included feel as though the Giants have had a

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01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:47,120
Speaker 1: curious and best offseason. Yeah, I can't dispute that I

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01:47:47,160 --> 01:47:48,600
Speaker 1: would say this, and I told a couple of I

2116
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:51,120
Speaker 1: think we talked about on the show yesterday. My senses,

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01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:53,360
Speaker 1: from what I know of Getleman, all of these moves,

2118
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:56,400
Speaker 1: the big controversial moves, have been endorsed and maybe even

2119
01:47:56,479 --> 01:47:58,920
Speaker 1: encouraged by ownership there, right. I mean, I think that's

2120
01:47:59,439 --> 01:48:01,680
Speaker 1: how strong his position, it seems to me, is with

2121
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:05,639
Speaker 1: the ownership there or the Giants. Yeah. You know, that's

2122
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 1: a huge part of GM and team building is that

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01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 1: you need to have the blessing of your ownership to

2124
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 1: know that, hey, this is what we have in mind,

2125
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:16,200
Speaker 1: and you need to have someone signing off on it.

2126
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:18,760
Speaker 1: And I think that in a lot of ways, I

2127
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:22,160
Speaker 1: don't say that ownership ignores, you know, the sort of

2128
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 1: middle tier of the roster, but I think that, like

2129
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:29,360
Speaker 1: the conversation that for example, Brandon Bean has to have

2130
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:32,559
Speaker 1: and Sean mcderman has to have with the Bagoulas when

2131
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:34,519
Speaker 1: you're talking about making Mitch Moore's one of the highest

2132
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:37,240
Speaker 1: pay centers in football, might be longer than hey, we're

2133
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:39,479
Speaker 1: thinking about a one year pack for l Adrian wid

2134
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:41,840
Speaker 1: I'll probably for a couple million bucks. Right. So for

2135
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:46,120
Speaker 1: the Giants, the decisions that ownership seemingly is very much

2136
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:48,960
Speaker 1: behind is eli manning and keeping them around for another

2137
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:52,320
Speaker 1: year when they're going to face seventeen million dollars in cash.

2138
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 1: And I know people tell me that A the cap

2139
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:57,040
Speaker 1: doesn't matter and A who cares is somebody else's money.

2140
01:48:57,640 --> 01:48:59,479
Speaker 1: If it didn't matter, it wouldn't have one. I'm just

2141
01:48:59,560 --> 01:49:00,880
Speaker 1: telling you that, And I know they're a ways. You

2142
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:03,400
Speaker 1: can get creative and work around it and be resourceful,

2143
01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:05,599
Speaker 1: and you can be like the Eagles with Howie Roseman,

2144
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:08,080
Speaker 1: who seems to create cap space. But just like I

2145
01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:11,040
Speaker 1: said with the Saints earlier, it's gonna catch up to you.

2146
01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:13,439
Speaker 1: It will. It may not be for greed to five years,

2147
01:49:13,479 --> 01:49:16,080
Speaker 1: but it will catch up to you. And I think

2148
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:19,400
Speaker 1: that for the Giants, the ownership groups has given Dave

2149
01:49:19,439 --> 01:49:22,479
Speaker 1: Gettimants blessing on some important decisions. I don't know that

2150
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:24,240
Speaker 1: I believe them, or I should say I believe him,

2151
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:27,360
Speaker 1: but I agree with him, but not my day to

2152
01:49:27,439 --> 01:49:30,160
Speaker 1: run the Giants company and probably never will be. And

2153
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:32,680
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. I mean the moves that

2154
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:36,080
Speaker 1: they're making from one to the next just seems entirely

2155
01:49:36,160 --> 01:49:40,400
Speaker 1: hypocritical with one another, and it all ignores the basic

2156
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:44,759
Speaker 1: premise within the NFL, which is find a young quarterback

2157
01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 1: and build around him on that rookie deal, when it

2158
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:51,519
Speaker 1: seems abundantly clear to most observers of the NFL that

2159
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:54,240
Speaker 1: Eli just isn't the same guy, and he hasn't been

2160
01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:56,479
Speaker 1: for years now, and it's almost as though they're just

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01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:57,920
Speaker 1: kind of sticking their head in the sand like an

2162
01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:00,400
Speaker 1: Ostrich at this point. Yeah. But the interesting part two

2163
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:02,120
Speaker 1: is that at at one point, do you shoot your

2164
01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:06,880
Speaker 1: shot here? Right? They had the second pick last yearning, Yeah,

2165
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:10,479
Speaker 1: I mean, and they had what four quarterbacks stow in

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01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:12,680
Speaker 1: the top ten, right, And there's a long ways to

2167
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:15,040
Speaker 1: go on those quarterbacks. And obviously they had no chance

2168
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:18,200
Speaker 1: of Baker, but Josh Allen, Sam Darnold, and Josh Rosen

2169
01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:21,160
Speaker 1: all go in the top ten last year. This year

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01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:25,000
Speaker 1: we've got, you know, we think probably at least three

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01:50:25,120 --> 01:50:28,040
Speaker 1: quarterbacks going in the first round, and you know, Drew

2172
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:29,960
Speaker 1: lock and and and also you know, to hide a

2173
01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:32,720
Speaker 1: higher level I think we have we should pretty good

2174
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:35,880
Speaker 1: about books about Kyler Murray and Dwayne hasses, we'll see.

2175
01:50:36,040 --> 01:50:37,920
Speaker 1: But you know, if if the Bills do pass on

2176
01:50:38,040 --> 01:50:40,400
Speaker 1: one of those guys again in the first round, like,

2177
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:42,680
Speaker 1: who's to say they're going to be where they are

2178
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:44,400
Speaker 1: or where they need to be next year. Like at

2179
01:50:44,479 --> 01:50:47,400
Speaker 1: some point you just don't have that many opportunities and

2180
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:50,000
Speaker 1: say what you want about uh, you know each of

2181
01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:52,880
Speaker 1: those prospects individually, but who knows next year? Like if

2182
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:56,160
Speaker 1: if the Giants are quote unquote good enough to pick twelve, well,

2183
01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:57,800
Speaker 1: then all this talk about two a tip of like

2184
01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:00,639
Speaker 1: he'll be, he will be. He'll be on the plane

2185
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:04,439
Speaker 1: and already with his new team at pick twelve next

2186
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:08,320
Speaker 1: year by the time the Giants are actually on the clocket. Amazing. Hey, Field,

2187
01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:09,720
Speaker 1: thanks for this. Good to talk with you. We hope

2188
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:12,360
Speaker 1: to talk again sometime. Thanks, no problem, guys, stop soon.

2189
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:15,920
Speaker 1: Field Yates NFL Network or NFL Insider for ESPN, co

2190
01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:20,599
Speaker 1: host of the Fantasy Football podcast, contributed to ESPN's NFL Live.

2191
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:22,759
Speaker 1: I guess it makes sense that they would cut Cleveland

2192
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:25,200
Speaker 1: out of that assessment of who had the best first

2193
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:29,360
Speaker 1: week of Yeah, anytime you can add Borderline, the best

2194
01:51:29,439 --> 01:51:31,479
Speaker 1: receiver in the NFL that still has five years of

2195
01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 1: his prime lefts and all the other moves that they

2196
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:37,920
Speaker 1: made like first rounders, big time type of talent like

2197
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:41,720
Speaker 1: Sheldon Richardson who can be a dominant force inside. Yeah,

2198
01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:44,680
Speaker 1: they're they're doing things. Okay, one can go wrong for

2199
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:47,720
Speaker 1: Cleveland Baker Mayfield gets hurt and doesn't ascend anyways that

2200
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:50,400
Speaker 1: they want them to. Yes, really yes, that that it

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01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:52,559
Speaker 1: is the only thing that matters for them because they

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01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:55,479
Speaker 1: haven't had the quarterback for years and years and Baker

2203
01:51:55,560 --> 01:51:59,800
Speaker 1: Mayfield showed such incredible signs down the stretch last year

2204
01:52:00,160 --> 01:52:03,360
Speaker 1: to where it's making them think, Okay, we need to

2205
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:07,800
Speaker 1: capture everything we can on this window over the next

2206
01:52:07,880 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 1: three years where he is in his rookie deal. And

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01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:12,040
Speaker 1: that's why you're seeing them go out and make all

2208
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:14,920
Speaker 1: these moves because they believe in him. So if he

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01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:17,400
Speaker 1: gets hurt or if he doesn't progress in the way

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01:52:17,439 --> 01:52:19,479
Speaker 1: that they think he can, which I think he will

2211
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:23,800
Speaker 1: because he's really dark good yea, then that would be

2212
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:25,800
Speaker 1: the only thing that could go wrong for them this year.

2213
01:52:26,680 --> 01:52:28,679
Speaker 1: To think about that, there might be a future show

2214
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:31,240
Speaker 1: for a tasker and I'm moving forward, what could go wrong?

2215
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm not rooting for things to go wrong for him.

2216
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:35,920
Speaker 1: You know you and taskers should talk about the tank. Yeah. Yeah,

2217
01:52:36,640 --> 01:52:39,559
Speaker 1: I'm afraid, almost afraid to get into it. I think

2218
01:52:40,160 --> 01:52:43,040
Speaker 1: you think I'm anti tank, which I pretty much am. Waity,

2219
01:52:43,120 --> 01:52:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure he will be anti anti. Just just say

2220
01:52:46,160 --> 01:52:50,880
Speaker 1: you're you're anti super califragilistic at lads, He'll be fine.

2221
01:52:51,120 --> 01:52:53,559
Speaker 1: Does tanking work in the NFL? Will resume that discussion.

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01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:55,439
Speaker 1: You're welcome to join us when we come back at

2223
01:52:55,479 --> 01:52:58,360
Speaker 1: a moment. Give us a call. Eight three fifty toll

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Speaker 1: free one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty one.

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Speaker 1: Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health from One Bill's Drive.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back Jemraphy with Joe Mascalia.

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Speaker 1: One more day for you, Joe tomorrow, Right, you up

2228
01:53:22,240 --> 01:53:25,360
Speaker 1: for that? Yeah? Should we get some draft talk going

2229
01:53:25,400 --> 01:53:29,120
Speaker 1: to tomorrow? We will offensive line Pennsylvania. We're basically doing

2230
01:53:29,160 --> 01:53:32,479
Speaker 1: it today, just doing it in more grandiose theoretical way. Well,

2231
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, And it was a salute to Armando Sargaro,

2232
01:53:35,200 --> 01:53:37,519
Speaker 1: who I do enjoy having on the show. We had

2233
01:53:37,600 --> 01:53:40,639
Speaker 1: him out of one o'clock talking about the Dolphins tanking

2234
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:42,960
Speaker 1: it and led to our question is tanking work in

2235
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:45,320
Speaker 1: the NFL. Got a lot of mileage out of that today,

2236
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:46,920
Speaker 1: and we'll continue to do that in the next couple

2237
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:48,960
Speaker 1: of minutes. Give us a call eight oh three five

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Speaker 1: fifty and toll free one eight eight eight five fifty

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01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:55,200
Speaker 1: two five fifty Sean and Rochester. Hello, Sean, welcome, go ahead,

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01:53:55,240 --> 01:53:57,800
Speaker 1: you're on the air. Yeah, So I want to talk

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01:53:57,800 --> 01:54:01,000
Speaker 1: a little bit about tanking and broil it. Just to me,

2242
01:54:01,160 --> 01:54:03,040
Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense because it's not like

2243
01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:05,880
Speaker 1: together sports when you were the worst team in the league.

2244
01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:08,840
Speaker 1: You are guaranteed the first pickle grow. It's not like

2245
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:12,160
Speaker 1: hockey or basketball. But I also want to to give

2246
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:18,599
Speaker 1: you guys my bold predictions. Go on champions this year.

2247
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:22,160
Speaker 1: Can you repeat that shot? I'm sorry you gotta cut off. Yeah.

2248
01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:27,680
Speaker 1: Afteast champions this year. That's pretty bold. Don't add the

2249
01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:32,520
Speaker 1: big personalities, but add the right players. Pretty bold, very bold. Yeah,

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01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:37,040
Speaker 1: and I'm sticking to it. John, Okay, thanks? How can

2251
01:54:37,120 --> 01:54:40,840
Speaker 1: we find you if you're wrong? Yeah? All right? Yeah?

2252
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:43,520
Speaker 1: What are you putting on that shot? Right? Tweet sheet?

2253
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:47,520
Speaker 1: Does tanking work in the NFL? Wandering Jack? His response,

2254
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:50,280
Speaker 1: I think it can, but only if there's a marquee

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01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:53,000
Speaker 1: can't miss quarterback at the top like Andrew Luck. But

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01:54:53,400 --> 01:54:55,800
Speaker 1: those guys are few and far between, and no matter

2257
01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:58,440
Speaker 1: how great a scounting department your team has, you kids

2258
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:02,400
Speaker 1: still miss. The draft is a crapshoot. Can't miss guy's

2259
01:55:02,440 --> 01:55:08,560
Speaker 1: bust at times. So it's tough. Yeah, sure, I guess, Yeah,

2260
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:13,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess. I guess. I believe less firmly

2261
01:55:13,400 --> 01:55:15,520
Speaker 1: than he does in the idea that there has to

2262
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:19,080
Speaker 1: be a pie in the sky player for you to to,

2263
01:55:20,040 --> 01:55:24,120
Speaker 1: you know, make yourself worse in the interim. It's to me,

2264
01:55:24,200 --> 01:55:28,480
Speaker 1: it's all about accruing draft capital and building your roster

2265
01:55:28,720 --> 01:55:31,960
Speaker 1: that way, and that, to me is what a tank

2266
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:35,120
Speaker 1: in the NFL is about. Now, don't get me wrong.

2267
01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:39,240
Speaker 1: A tank in the NBA and the NHL is completely

2268
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:43,480
Speaker 1: different in my mind, because NBA NHL, I mean those

2269
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:48,000
Speaker 1: specific instances you can odds are you're getting a player

2270
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:51,240
Speaker 1: that can impact your roster in a huge way. NBA

2271
01:55:51,360 --> 01:55:53,160
Speaker 1: more than the NHL because NHL is a little bit

2272
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:56,040
Speaker 1: more complex. But the NHL still adheres to the to

2273
01:55:56,160 --> 01:56:00,240
Speaker 1: the policy because really it's only the first five, five

2274
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:03,520
Speaker 1: seven picks in any given year of an NHL draft

2275
01:56:03,680 --> 01:56:06,520
Speaker 1: that are guaranteed even play for you right away. But

2276
01:56:06,680 --> 01:56:10,480
Speaker 1: the NBA, like, let's just talk about Zion Williamson this year.

2277
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:12,520
Speaker 1: I just I saw a tweet from Bill Simmons a

2278
01:56:12,600 --> 01:56:16,720
Speaker 1: little bit ago about what the records of the twenty

2279
01:56:17,080 --> 01:56:20,160
Speaker 1: nineteen tankathon has been over the last forty one games.

2280
01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 1: The Knicks are five and thirty six. They're going all

2281
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:27,280
Speaker 1: in on this idea of tanking because they know there's

2282
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:30,440
Speaker 1: a potential franchise changing player down the road. Football. It's

2283
01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:32,200
Speaker 1: not it's not that easy. Let me ask you this

2284
01:56:32,240 --> 01:56:34,360
Speaker 1: show and again we've struggled you and I've struggled today.

2285
01:56:34,720 --> 01:56:37,880
Speaker 1: Get into a proper definition of tanking. Let's put that

2286
01:56:37,960 --> 01:56:40,120
Speaker 1: aside for a session. Yeah, to your mind, is there

2287
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:44,480
Speaker 1: any negative effects of tanking? Let's sleep, let's keep it

2288
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:50,000
Speaker 1: in the NFL um Yes, Because if if you're if

2289
01:56:50,040 --> 01:56:52,080
Speaker 1: you're too comfortable with it for too long, and if

2290
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:55,480
Speaker 1: you don't have a product for or a plan for

2291
01:56:55,640 --> 01:56:59,040
Speaker 1: growth at some point, then you're just going to establish

2292
01:56:59,160 --> 01:57:04,720
Speaker 1: a culture of being mediocre to below average. But if

2293
01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:08,200
Speaker 1: you take your medicine one or two years and you

2294
01:57:08,280 --> 01:57:10,880
Speaker 1: accrue all those picks, and you build your roster from within,

2295
01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:12,400
Speaker 1: and you hit on some of those picks, which is

2296
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:13,960
Speaker 1: the most important part about all of this. You can

2297
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:15,600
Speaker 1: have draft picks till you're blue in the face, but

2298
01:57:15,640 --> 01:57:18,280
Speaker 1: you have to be able to scout and find guys

2299
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:20,840
Speaker 1: that best fit your roster and what you want to do.

2300
01:57:21,400 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 1: But at some point the rubber has to meet meet

2301
01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:26,360
Speaker 1: the road where you have to push your chips in

2302
01:57:26,480 --> 01:57:29,320
Speaker 1: a little bit more so, which is why what the

2303
01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:31,480
Speaker 1: Bills are doing in the confines of what they did

2304
01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:33,840
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years in offloading some of

2305
01:57:33,880 --> 01:57:37,000
Speaker 1: their more valuable players and the starting caliber players for

2306
01:57:37,200 --> 01:57:40,920
Speaker 1: picks to get themselves in that spot that that is

2307
01:57:41,160 --> 01:57:44,320
Speaker 1: a good sign of progress to me and to now

2308
01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:47,480
Speaker 1: where they're building in a way to have sustained success

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01:57:47,560 --> 01:57:50,320
Speaker 1: down the line. And they found themselves the quarterback too,

2310
01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:54,400
Speaker 1: which certainly is the biggest little part of the equation here. Yeah,

2311
01:57:54,520 --> 01:57:57,080
Speaker 1: Tony and Rochester, Hello, Tony, I'm deliberately sent away from

2312
01:57:57,080 --> 01:58:00,360
Speaker 1: the second half of year answer there, Joe say that

2313
01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:03,560
Speaker 1: I don't think it's quite a tank what the Bills

2314
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:06,440
Speaker 1: had done, because if you look at what they did

2315
01:58:06,640 --> 01:58:09,880
Speaker 1: last year, I mean we were very competitive in most

2316
01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:12,360
Speaker 1: of the games. I mean early on we got blown out.

2317
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:15,000
Speaker 1: But to look at the first Miami game, we could

2318
01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:17,320
Speaker 1: have won that game. We could have won the Houston game,

2319
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:21,640
Speaker 1: the second Jet game, and to stretch it, maybe even

2320
01:58:21,720 --> 01:58:24,920
Speaker 1: the Patriots game on Monday night. So this team wasn't

2321
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:28,840
Speaker 1: devoid of talent. But I know that you know, they

2322
01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:31,880
Speaker 1: got rid of some players to get draft capital. But

2323
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:34,520
Speaker 1: the problems that ended up with this team were the

2324
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:38,120
Speaker 1: offensive line. We lost three starters. One was traded but

2325
01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:43,400
Speaker 1: he was perennially injured. The other two were they weren't

2326
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:45,080
Speaker 1: going to make it anymore. They had to retire. So

2327
01:58:46,120 --> 01:58:49,360
Speaker 1: that's my thinning. It wasn't a complete tank. It was

2328
01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:52,080
Speaker 1: somewhere in between. And I know tank has a very

2329
01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:57,200
Speaker 1: negative connotation. Yeah, you're absolutely right, called something else. Just

2330
01:58:57,400 --> 01:59:02,080
Speaker 1: to not mischaracterize Cordy Glenn, he was not perennially injured.

2331
01:59:02,360 --> 01:59:05,560
Speaker 1: He had one year where he missed ten games. The

2332
01:59:05,720 --> 01:59:08,280
Speaker 1: only the only other year that he missed more than

2333
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:11,840
Speaker 1: three games was in twenty sixteen, which in which he

2334
01:59:11,920 --> 01:59:14,600
Speaker 1: missed five. His first four seasons in the league, he

2335
01:59:14,720 --> 01:59:17,320
Speaker 1: only missed three games. So let's not miss characterize what

2336
01:59:17,440 --> 01:59:21,280
Speaker 1: Cordy Glenn was seen in twenty seventeen. He played six,

2337
01:59:21,640 --> 01:59:26,040
Speaker 1: which is which is what I'm that notwithstanding the majority

2338
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:28,640
Speaker 1: of his career, he has been available, and he played

2339
01:59:28,680 --> 01:59:32,120
Speaker 1: thirteen games for the Bengals last year. But I guess

2340
01:59:32,200 --> 01:59:36,720
Speaker 1: my point is when you're when you're offloading talent, and

2341
01:59:37,480 --> 01:59:41,160
Speaker 1: they did make themselves worse for twenty eighteen on the

2342
01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:43,680
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. They absolutely did. I mean,

2343
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:45,600
Speaker 1: Eric would They didn't have any choice in the matter,

2344
01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:47,160
Speaker 1: and they would have chose to have him there, which

2345
01:59:47,240 --> 01:59:49,240
Speaker 1: is why they extended him the way they did, because

2346
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:52,880
Speaker 1: they believe in a center. But they had next to

2347
01:59:53,000 --> 01:59:55,920
Speaker 1: nothing to speak of at wide receiver going into the season,

2348
01:59:56,400 --> 01:59:59,440
Speaker 1: And if they had wanted to, they could have given

2349
01:59:59,480 --> 02:00:01,440
Speaker 1: the fifth year option to Sammy Watkins and he could

2350
02:00:01,480 --> 02:00:04,840
Speaker 1: have been there. They chose not to. That is, in essence,

2351
02:00:05,880 --> 02:00:09,200
Speaker 1: taking a step back to provide yourself with an asset

2352
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:12,520
Speaker 1: for the future. That's that's where we're all getting hung up.

2353
02:00:12,600 --> 02:00:15,880
Speaker 1: I think about about what what is a tank or whatnot,

2354
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:18,160
Speaker 1: which is why I'm saying, don't call it tank. Don't

2355
02:00:18,200 --> 02:00:20,680
Speaker 1: say the word tank. I mean, it's all it's all

2356
02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:24,480
Speaker 1: roster building, it's all. It's it. But they are in

2357
02:00:24,640 --> 02:00:28,120
Speaker 1: fact trading away talent that would help them right away

2358
02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:30,480
Speaker 1: to get better for the future, which I think is

2359
02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:32,920
Speaker 1: the basic premise of a fat And again we're back

2360
02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:35,160
Speaker 1: to where we were at twelve ten today. That's not

2361
02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:37,280
Speaker 1: the only reason they made those moves. You are you

2362
02:00:37,320 --> 02:00:42,280
Speaker 1: asserting that, I am saying it is the biggest motivator

2363
02:00:42,440 --> 02:00:45,360
Speaker 1: of those moves. I disagree. Can we disagree? And still

2364
02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:50,400
Speaker 1: we could? Yeah? Absolutely? But the fact everything, everything is complex.

2365
02:00:50,520 --> 02:00:53,840
Speaker 1: It's no, it's no black or white situation here. There

2366
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:57,280
Speaker 1: is gray wherever you look. But in the in the

2367
02:00:57,440 --> 02:01:00,200
Speaker 1: idea of Sammy Watkins, who is the most talent to

2368
02:01:00,240 --> 02:01:02,880
Speaker 1: player on their team at that point in time, in

2369
02:01:03,000 --> 02:01:07,960
Speaker 1: the idea of Sammy Watkins, they traded away for assets

2370
02:01:08,040 --> 02:01:10,480
Speaker 1: that helped them land Josh Allen because they had a plan.

2371
02:01:10,760 --> 02:01:13,040
Speaker 1: They had a plan, and that was all part of it.

2372
02:01:13,120 --> 02:01:15,640
Speaker 1: They looked to see who isn't a part of their

2373
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:19,920
Speaker 1: future and they chose Watkins, in which they could have

2374
02:01:20,160 --> 02:01:23,640
Speaker 1: if they so chose to keep those guys, keep the

2375
02:01:23,720 --> 02:01:26,400
Speaker 1: band together and try and make the playoffs. That way,

2376
02:01:27,040 --> 02:01:30,560
Speaker 1: they chose all of these different things to remove talent

2377
02:01:30,640 --> 02:01:33,520
Speaker 1: from their roster. That was their decision, which is why

2378
02:01:33,640 --> 02:01:37,320
Speaker 1: it is taking a step back. Well, I'm I feel

2379
02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:39,440
Speaker 1: like if I disagree with that, I'll take too much time.

2380
02:01:39,440 --> 02:01:42,200
Speaker 1: And I've already stopped about. I think here's the thing. Well, no,

2381
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:45,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it. No, justin only hello, Well

2382
02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm always interested. Justin. Go ahead, you're an Onlian, go ahead, justin.

2383
02:01:49,080 --> 02:01:50,640
Speaker 1: You need to have some mere time here. I just

2384
02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:52,480
Speaker 1: wanted to kind of get in it. I know, the

2385
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:55,040
Speaker 1: tanks or horrible words, and they even hate they brought

2386
02:01:55,080 --> 02:01:57,160
Speaker 1: it up, but I think we Buffalo did was more

2387
02:01:57,160 --> 02:01:58,720
Speaker 1: of a cleanse. You look at the roster that we

2388
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:01,160
Speaker 1: had and made a great word. I mean, we weren't

2389
02:02:01,240 --> 02:02:04,280
Speaker 1: supposed to make the playoffs. We had a great motivator

2390
02:02:04,320 --> 02:02:06,560
Speaker 1: and Coding McDermott who brought that team and I think

2391
02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:09,360
Speaker 1: elevated their play. And now what you're seeing them doing

2392
02:02:09,480 --> 02:02:12,240
Speaker 1: is kind of cleaning the roster, cleansing the personalities, the

2393
02:02:12,320 --> 02:02:15,120
Speaker 1: locker room and everything else associated with it and bringing

2394
02:02:15,160 --> 02:02:17,640
Speaker 1: in their pieces and now the team is theirs. So

2395
02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:19,400
Speaker 1: I think we're maybe a year or two out from

2396
02:02:19,480 --> 02:02:21,720
Speaker 1: kind of seeing another playoffs. Plus just from a developmental

2397
02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:25,000
Speaker 1: standpoint and Josh Allen and having the final pieces that

2398
02:02:25,360 --> 02:02:27,920
Speaker 1: coach and being kind of want in place. It was

2399
02:02:27,960 --> 02:02:29,520
Speaker 1: just kind of my thought looking at as opposed to,

2400
02:02:30,120 --> 02:02:32,480
Speaker 1: you know, a tank, because it wasn't really a prolonged

2401
02:02:32,640 --> 02:02:35,480
Speaker 1: thing between success. You know, we just had the playoffs,

2402
02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:38,320
Speaker 1: said we weren't supposed to be there. All right. Thanks

2403
02:02:38,320 --> 02:02:40,360
Speaker 1: a lot of sense to Justin. Yeah, you summed it

2404
02:02:40,440 --> 02:02:44,760
Speaker 1: up perfectly. Remove the word tank from the discussion, and

2405
02:02:45,040 --> 02:02:46,840
Speaker 1: I think we're all on the same page. Let's go

2406
02:02:46,920 --> 02:02:50,160
Speaker 1: to Mike and Lockport. Hello, Mike, Welcome to the show. Guy.

2407
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:52,480
Speaker 1: I would call it a tank to see the process,

2408
02:02:52,800 --> 02:02:57,200
Speaker 1: and I think it's pretty clever. Scamp problems and then

2409
02:02:57,240 --> 02:03:00,720
Speaker 1: you've got a quarterback dich draft you move up and

2410
02:03:00,800 --> 02:03:04,160
Speaker 1: then uh, any quarterback and his first year is likely

2411
02:03:04,240 --> 02:03:08,600
Speaker 1: to do wow as well is very prescots. So you know,

2412
02:03:08,760 --> 02:03:12,240
Speaker 1: dump all the songs got either with the quarterbacks and

2413
02:03:12,360 --> 02:03:18,120
Speaker 1: experience that there's a free agent ability back and I

2414
02:03:18,200 --> 02:03:21,400
Speaker 1: would say it's not a it's not a classic. Thanks

2415
02:03:21,640 --> 02:03:24,360
Speaker 1: though the office, and I think they're very clever about it.

2416
02:03:24,520 --> 02:03:27,560
Speaker 1: All the works all right. Thanks. One word call here

2417
02:03:27,680 --> 02:03:29,600
Speaker 1: Manny in Hamburg. Hello, Manny, go ahead, you're on the

2418
02:03:29,640 --> 02:03:32,240
Speaker 1: air with this A Hi John nijoel Um. I'm I'm

2419
02:03:32,280 --> 02:03:34,560
Speaker 1: on your side, John, and this one um, and I'll

2420
02:03:34,600 --> 02:03:37,680
Speaker 1: tell you I just think tanking is morally wrong to

2421
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:39,600
Speaker 1: ask players to play. And I don't know if any

2422
02:03:39,640 --> 02:03:42,000
Speaker 1: of this was said prior to this columns as if so,

2423
02:03:42,120 --> 02:03:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Ask players to play when they know the

2424
02:03:44,800 --> 02:03:47,320
Speaker 1: roster is in place to lose, risk getting injured and

2425
02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:49,520
Speaker 1: so on and so forth, without a chance to win.

2426
02:03:49,560 --> 02:03:51,680
Speaker 1: I think it is wrong. And how can you ask

2427
02:03:51,800 --> 02:03:54,360
Speaker 1: fans to attend games when they know that the team

2428
02:03:54,440 --> 02:03:57,120
Speaker 1: is geared to lose. Why don't we just have Why

2429
02:03:57,120 --> 02:04:00,400
Speaker 1: don't we just have the owners of the team admit

2430
02:04:00,440 --> 02:04:02,440
Speaker 1: they're tanking and let the fans come in for free

2431
02:04:02,800 --> 02:04:09,360
Speaker 1: White to a team is listen, Manny, I respect where

2432
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:13,120
Speaker 1: you're coming from here, but the morality of winning in

2433
02:04:13,200 --> 02:04:16,640
Speaker 1: the NFL, the only thing important to the NFL is

2434
02:04:16,760 --> 02:04:21,240
Speaker 1: winning down the line in sustained success. And for the Bills,

2435
02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:23,400
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is, I mean again, the

2436
02:04:23,720 --> 02:04:26,240
Speaker 1: tank has the negative connotation to it. We all we

2437
02:04:26,320 --> 02:04:28,640
Speaker 1: all know that, and everyone has a reaction to that

2438
02:04:28,720 --> 02:04:30,880
Speaker 1: word because it was such a huge topic here even

2439
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:33,120
Speaker 1: with the Sabers dating back to the to the Chal years.

2440
02:04:33,160 --> 02:04:37,720
Speaker 1: But when you have a team that is actively trying

2441
02:04:37,800 --> 02:04:41,640
Speaker 1: to get worse or actively trading away players that could

2442
02:04:41,680 --> 02:04:45,560
Speaker 1: help them in the interim. Then that is by definition,

2443
02:04:45,960 --> 02:04:49,080
Speaker 1: taking a step back in order in order to bring

2444
02:04:49,200 --> 02:04:54,200
Speaker 1: in assets to draft your own players. So the morality

2445
02:04:54,240 --> 02:04:56,240
Speaker 1: of it is, I don't know. I don't want to

2446
02:04:56,320 --> 02:05:00,040
Speaker 1: I don't really want to get into that. But the

2447
02:05:00,160 --> 02:05:02,720
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is they still had the plan,

2448
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:05,600
Speaker 1: and a lot of fans are on board with that plan,

2449
02:05:05,920 --> 02:05:10,080
Speaker 1: and that plan involved taking their medicine, fixing the salary

2450
02:05:10,160 --> 02:05:12,640
Speaker 1: cap as well as accruing a bunch of draft picks

2451
02:05:12,680 --> 02:05:14,360
Speaker 1: to get to the point where they were able to

2452
02:05:14,440 --> 02:05:17,040
Speaker 1: draft Josh Allen and by proxy get able to get

2453
02:05:17,080 --> 02:05:19,880
Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmunds too. Joe, I would argue that it's more

2454
02:05:19,960 --> 02:05:22,920
Speaker 1: than it was. I mean, somehow our does tank team

2455
02:05:22,960 --> 02:05:26,600
Speaker 1: work in the NFL topic got translated into the Bills tank. Okay,

2456
02:05:26,680 --> 02:05:29,920
Speaker 1: it happened. I mean, the show is called one bill

2457
02:05:30,280 --> 02:05:33,920
Speaker 1: for what it's worth. Oh yeah, But is it was

2458
02:05:34,080 --> 02:05:36,520
Speaker 1: more than accruing draft picks? That's what I would argue.

2459
02:05:36,720 --> 02:05:40,080
Speaker 1: It was more than accrering draft picks was huge, of course,

2460
02:05:40,320 --> 02:05:42,080
Speaker 1: it was the type of people they want here, the

2461
02:05:42,160 --> 02:05:45,520
Speaker 1: type of standard they wanted to set that means something,

2462
02:05:45,600 --> 02:05:48,280
Speaker 1: and it means something, especially to this group. Even if

2463
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:49,760
Speaker 1: fans don't want to hear that, it means a lot

2464
02:05:49,840 --> 02:05:52,200
Speaker 1: to this coach and general manager. And I guess my

2465
02:05:52,520 --> 02:05:55,600
Speaker 1: primary argument is that is part of the calculation that

2466
02:05:55,680 --> 02:05:57,760
Speaker 1: went into what the Bills did two years ago. And

2467
02:05:57,840 --> 02:06:00,720
Speaker 1: I don't dispute that by any stretch of the imagination.

2468
02:06:01,080 --> 02:06:04,000
Speaker 1: But they weren't just releasing those guys, no, I mean,

2469
02:06:04,120 --> 02:06:07,200
Speaker 1: if why would they do that? If exactly they but

2470
02:06:07,320 --> 02:06:09,640
Speaker 1: they were actively taking that talent off their roster. And

2471
02:06:09,800 --> 02:06:12,800
Speaker 1: I agree, you can. The tank comes in many forms.

2472
02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:15,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you can. You can fix your culture as

2473
02:06:15,320 --> 02:06:17,640
Speaker 1: well as get more talented down the stretch with your

2474
02:06:17,760 --> 02:06:22,040
Speaker 1: types of guys. That's it's not. They're not mutually exclusive here,

2475
02:06:22,080 --> 02:06:26,080
Speaker 1: That's right. So I guess I guess we're we're kind

2476
02:06:26,160 --> 02:06:28,480
Speaker 1: of on the same page, but not really all. You know,

2477
02:06:29,480 --> 02:06:31,600
Speaker 1: I don't think so. NFL true or False. Let's see

2478
02:06:31,600 --> 02:06:33,160
Speaker 1: what we can disagree about a couple of more issues.

2479
02:06:33,160 --> 02:06:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm in NFL True and False brought to you by

2480
02:06:35,080 --> 02:06:38,760
Speaker 1: Yancey's Fancy New York's Artists and Cheese Number one. ESPN

2481
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:41,240
Speaker 1: should break the bank to get Peyton Manning on Monday

2482
02:06:41,320 --> 02:06:45,520
Speaker 1: Night Football. Go ahead, Joe, you go first. Disagree false,

2483
02:06:46,200 --> 02:06:48,320
Speaker 1: I'm false. I'm false with that. How about you? I'm

2484
02:06:48,360 --> 02:06:50,560
Speaker 1: false too, He's not. He won't make or break Monday

2485
02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:52,480
Speaker 1: and in football, the games will make it big. You

2486
02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:54,040
Speaker 1: don't want to have a good broadcast. Put Dan or

2487
02:06:54,080 --> 02:06:56,520
Speaker 1: Lobsky on Monday Night Football. I'd rather see him than

2488
02:06:56,560 --> 02:06:58,920
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, to be honest with you, on that broadcast. Yeah,

2489
02:07:00,360 --> 02:07:03,840
Speaker 1: Orlovski is really good. Yeah, but is he polished enough?

2490
02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:05,680
Speaker 1: I think that's that's part of it. Yeah, I know.

2491
02:07:06,400 --> 02:07:09,320
Speaker 1: It really all depends on finding someone that can make

2492
02:07:09,400 --> 02:07:12,200
Speaker 1: you smarter, because if you feel like you're learning things

2493
02:07:12,800 --> 02:07:15,320
Speaker 1: and you're feeling like you're taking something from the game,

2494
02:07:15,440 --> 02:07:18,600
Speaker 1: then that's when you feel connected to that commentator. Think

2495
02:07:18,640 --> 02:07:21,640
Speaker 1: of how glowingly people feel about Tony Romo because he

2496
02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:24,400
Speaker 1: teaches people the game every single week. So if you

2497
02:07:24,440 --> 02:07:26,040
Speaker 1: can find someone to do that, then get that guy.

2498
02:07:26,200 --> 02:07:27,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to get hung up on this, but

2499
02:07:27,760 --> 02:07:29,920
Speaker 1: how many game how many times have you ever tuned

2500
02:07:29,960 --> 02:07:32,640
Speaker 1: in an NFL broadcast because of who the announcers are

2501
02:07:32,920 --> 02:07:35,960
Speaker 1: were Tony Romo, he's the only one. He's the only

2502
02:07:36,040 --> 02:07:38,120
Speaker 1: one right now. I would submit that if I know,

2503
02:07:38,240 --> 02:07:40,240
Speaker 1: I've never done it. Even Romo. I know he's good.

2504
02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:42,360
Speaker 1: I know I learned. I would watch for Romo for surely,

2505
02:07:42,520 --> 02:07:45,960
Speaker 1: no matter who's playing. Uh not no matter who's playing,

2506
02:07:46,000 --> 02:07:48,200
Speaker 1: but he's usually on the best game that week. There

2507
02:07:48,280 --> 02:07:51,840
Speaker 1: you go. Number two NFL True falls Fitzpatrick. Ryan Fitzpatrick

2508
02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:54,520
Speaker 1: signing will cost the Dolphins a shout at the first

2509
02:07:54,520 --> 02:07:57,800
Speaker 1: pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft. I'm gonna say maybe,

2510
02:07:59,200 --> 02:08:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say true. We had this discussion with Armando earlier,

2511
02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:07,200
Speaker 1: so the tank is on, all right whatever in Miami.

2512
02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:10,440
Speaker 1: But fitz has it in him to win a couple

2513
02:08:10,480 --> 02:08:13,120
Speaker 1: of games that they probably don't figure to win without him.

2514
02:08:13,480 --> 02:08:15,880
Speaker 1: I would say it could cost them, likely to cost

2515
02:08:15,960 --> 02:08:18,760
Speaker 1: them the first overall pick. I will say false because

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Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick is now thirty six years old, so it's

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Speaker 1: not as though he's even peak Ryan Fitzpatrick anymore. Whatever

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Speaker 1: it is peake Ryan Fitzpatrick is. But I think for him,

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Speaker 1: while he will maybe get some games, he's also going

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Speaker 1: to lose them games that they probably would have been in.

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Speaker 1: So I think it as it all is going to

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Speaker 1: even out. I don't think he is going to be

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Speaker 1: the determining factor. I think having a pretty terrible roster

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Speaker 1: around him will be more of a determining factor than that. Finally,

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Speaker 1: an NFL two or false, this is interesting, Sean mcvayh

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Speaker 1: can turn around Blake Bortle's career. I'll let you go

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Speaker 1: first on this one. Jals Okay, Yeah, no chance. I'm

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Speaker 1: out on that because there's something inherently wrong with this

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Speaker 1: throwing motion, and that is something that kind of makes

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Speaker 1: me hesitate with him. I think they can develop him

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Speaker 1: into a good backup. I don't think he is long

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Speaker 1: for starting in the NFL. I don't. I'm gonna say

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Speaker 1: false too. He could be a fine backup, gets through games,

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Speaker 1: finished games. We agreed. That's about it. We did agree

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Speaker 1: on the last thing of the day. Joe and I

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Speaker 1: back with more one Bills live from One Bill's Drive in.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bills Radio. What we learned is presented

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Speaker 1: by Advanced Alarm providing Western New York's homes and businesses

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Speaker 1: with the fineness and security and home theater. He preferred

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Speaker 1: Alarm and home theater provide the provider of the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 1: We had Bills Tight and Tyler Croft on the show

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Speaker 1: of US earlier today at twelve thirty, and he talked

2543
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Speaker 1: about his decision to sign with the Buffalo Bills last week.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say me. A lot of

2545
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Speaker 1: it was the culture and fit. I wanted to be

2546
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Speaker 1: in a team that everyone was pulling in the same direction.

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Speaker 1: My agent, Mike McCartney, I got to take my hat

2548
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Speaker 1: to him. He did. He did a great job. He

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Speaker 1: knows he knows me and those uh, I guess what

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Speaker 1: kind of team want guys I want to be around.

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Speaker 1: And it was pretty pretty evident quickly when I got

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Speaker 1: up there that the Bills have the type of people

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Speaker 1: I want to be around and organist organizationally and players.

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Speaker 1: It seems they're more about the fit of guys necessarily,

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02:10:31,000 --> 02:10:33,919
Speaker 1: so everyone's on the same It's more of a team atmosphere,

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Speaker 1: and that's something I was really looking for, and that

2557
02:10:35,640 --> 02:10:37,960
Speaker 1: was something that was pushed and when I got out there,

2558
02:10:38,040 --> 02:10:39,600
Speaker 1: it was clear as day what they had going on.

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Speaker 1: Kyler Croft says, it was clear as day. We talked

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Speaker 1: a little bit about tanking on today's show, and we

2561
02:10:45,440 --> 02:10:48,520
Speaker 1: asked the question does tanking work in the NFL. We

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Speaker 1: asked that question to our guest at one o'clock today,

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Speaker 1: Armando Salgaro, the Miami Harold. He of course, has identified

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins as tankers this year. We asked Armando, what

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Speaker 1: is tanking in the NFL look like? Here's what he said.

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Speaker 1: There is an organic tanking in that if the organization

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02:11:07,720 --> 02:11:14,520
Speaker 1: makes moves, does things that basically guarantees that the product

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Speaker 1: that they put on the field is not going to

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Speaker 1: be top notch, top grade. And the thinking behind those

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Speaker 1: moves and that philosophy is we're not really about right now,

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Speaker 1: We're about tomorrow, next year, the following year. To me,

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Speaker 1: that's tanking. I mean it is because you're not doing

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Speaker 1: everything that you can do to be the best that

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Speaker 1: you can be on that day in that year. A

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Speaker 1: liberal definition of tanking from Armando, I think he's dead

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Speaker 1: on Okay, As you might not be surprised, I'm not

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Speaker 1: surprised to hear that. We had a good discussion about that,

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Speaker 1: for sure, we'll day long. We had a Twitter poll

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Speaker 1: about it as well. I haven't checked it in a while.

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Speaker 1: Let me look on Twitter. We asked the question, can

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Speaker 1: you tank successfully in the NFL? Doesn't work? Fifty nine

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Speaker 1: percent say no, it does not, forty one percent say

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Speaker 1: yes it does. Maybe that's why there's so much debate,

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Speaker 1: so much disagreements, a lot of passion about the question

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Speaker 1: on Twitter today, Joe, what do you think? I think

2586
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Speaker 1: whenever that word gets brought up, it elicits a reaction

2587
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Speaker 1: either really good or really bad. You either firmly believe

2588
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Speaker 1: in it or you don't. And I do believe there's

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Speaker 1: nuance to it, as we've discussed all show long. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of hung us up today. Yeah, but I don't

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Speaker 1: even know if it hung us up. I think it's

2592
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Speaker 1: just an honest to goodness conversation about what exactly it

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Speaker 1: is in roster building in general, because that's one of

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Speaker 1: the most fascinating parts of the NFL to me, how

2595
02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:44,720
Speaker 1: teams choose to go about constructing their roster and which

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Speaker 1: route they take. And I would say this, and we

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Speaker 1: only got a couple of seconds. It's not really a

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Speaker 1: new concept of building for the future in any professional sport, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's been going on as long as right

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Speaker 1: always have your eye on down the road. Yeah, there

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Speaker 1: are more dramatic ways that teams go about it now

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Speaker 1: than they used to, but I think it's definitely brought

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Speaker 1: on by the free agency money being crazy and everything

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Speaker 1: along those lines, and the importance of building from within.

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Speaker 1: Good discussion. Joe, you're back tomorrow. We'll talk about old

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Speaker 1: lineman d lineman in the draft. I'll be here, okay.

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Speaker 1: Joe's gonna take us through some of the offensive line

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Speaker 1: and defensive line prospects for the Bills and other teams

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Speaker 1: in the draft coming up in about five weeks. I'll

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Speaker 1: do it for our show today. Production assistants George Blast,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Colton and Thomas Honalder, Kelly Rude, j J. Tarito,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Cardi, James Robold, our producer Jay Harris. We'll see

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Speaker 1: tomorrow at noon One Bill's Live, presented by Kalid to

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Speaker 1: Health from One Bill's Drive. And this is Buffalo Bill's

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