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Speaker 1: Happy Monday. So this is the part where normally Sager

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Speaker 1: any of his catchphrasesicular topical obsessions or you know, bad

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Speaker 1: views on drug war or anything. Funny enough, we actually

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Speaker 1: doing one that involves Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah, but we organically

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Speaker 1: came to that. I'm very interested in and I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: that infrastructure package, which is moving through the Senate this week.

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Speaker 1: it because he's referring to what they're calling the Human

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Speaker 1: Infrastructure Reconciliation Package. Yeah, and he's calling that the Green

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Speaker 1: fake populism stuff. But I honestly, I'm skeptical that this

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Speaker 1: because guess what evan, Because what a lot of them

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Speaker 1: the reconciliation package. And Pelosi has been clear on this,

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Speaker 1: the House Progressive. The House Progressive is that if you

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Speaker 1: don't do the partisan reconciliation Human Infrastructure package, right, we

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Speaker 1: are not supporting the bipartisan deal. So there's so many

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Speaker 1: pressure or whatever exactly. But then even if that passes,

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Speaker 1: the human Infrastructure bill. So I don't know. I'm skeptical

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Speaker 1: week off for his birthday, So that's how we know

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Speaker 1: what is going on there. But I think it's clear

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Speaker 1: that Zucker, the head of CNN, wants to stand by

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Speaker 1: Chris Cuomo, likes this guy, wants to protect him whatever,

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Speaker 1: So he's just taking the week off and hoping that

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Speaker 1: things sort of die down so people top giving him

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Speaker 1: a hard time for what is just an unbelievable breach

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Speaker 1: of any sort of remote journal stick integrity that he

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Speaker 1: pretends to have. So I have a slightly different take

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Speaker 1: on this. I think they're considering acting him this time.

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Speaker 1: I really do, because now he is a perpetual proproblem

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Speaker 1: for them. You know, I don't know, no, I really

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Speaker 1: because how many times has Fox News done this where

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Speaker 1: they say somebody's going on vacation and then that person

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Speaker 1: never comes back from the vacation. I've seen it a

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Speaker 1: number of times. They didn't even punish him the when

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Speaker 1: this all came out, because remember, this is just this

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Speaker 1: isn't just he was collaborating and advising his brother, which

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Speaker 1: we learned in this report that it wasn't that wasn't

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Speaker 1: just a one off. He was doing that on a

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Speaker 1: regular basis, part of these political strategy calls. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: just that, It was also that he got VIP treatment

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Speaker 1: when he himself was worried about getting coronavirus at a

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Speaker 1: time when you remember, I mean you live in New

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Speaker 1: York at the beginning of COVID, nobody could get tested

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Speaker 1: like you thought you had it and you weren't able

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Speaker 1: to get a test. Well, this dude was getting VIP

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Speaker 1: treatment from his brother, so he's implicated in that as well,

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Speaker 1: and they didn't even punish him. He wasn't even taking

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Speaker 1: off the air for one minute. Well, so to do

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Speaker 1: a total about face and then pull him off entirely

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Speaker 1: when he's their highest rate and anger. I'm skeptical. Well,

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Speaker 1: here's last time, if you remember, he came out and

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Speaker 1: did this thing where he was like, everybody knows, I

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Speaker 1: can't really comment on this because it's my brother, So

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Speaker 1: just letting everybody know. Up, I know what's going on

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Speaker 1: with my brother, but I'm not going to comment on it.

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Speaker 1: It's my brother. So he did that. But of course,

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Speaker 1: when you know, Andrew Cuomo was on and they were

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Speaker 1: sucking him off all day, and they were talking about

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Speaker 1: how great he's doing with the coronavirus as people were

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Speaker 1: dying in nursing homes NonStop. You know, they could talk

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Speaker 1: about him when it was positive, but all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden when it's negative, Oh my god, we can't talk

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Speaker 1: about how you want it. But I'm telling you, this

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Speaker 1: stuff has piled up enough where there's somebody I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's Sucker, but there's somebody near the top

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Speaker 1: of CNN who's like, I don't know about this dog.

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Speaker 1: We're really going to drag ourselves through the mud over

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Speaker 1: and over again for this fucking meat heead. Well, you

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Speaker 1: remember last time around, Jake Tapper actually got asked about

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Speaker 1: it in an interview. I think it was with like media.

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Speaker 1: Maybe No, it was the New York Times. Here I

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Speaker 1: have it, and he said that the whole thing put

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Speaker 1: us in a bad spot and that I cannot imagine

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Speaker 1: a world in which anybody in journalism think that was appropriate.

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Speaker 1: See that's what I'm saying. This was this was the

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Speaker 1: last time around. But I don't know. I'm skeptical. They're

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Speaker 1: considering it, Crystal, That's all I'm saying. I definite consider

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Speaker 1: They're hoping that it kind of dies down. He's able

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Speaker 1: to be out for a week, the pressure is taken

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Speaker 1: off because the sad fact of the matter is, like,

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Speaker 1: do I think their view CNN's viewers are going to

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Speaker 1: punish them for any of this? Not really, And so

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Speaker 1: ultimately that's all they really care about. He's still brings.

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Speaker 1: It's about the like advertisers are ditching him or anything

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Speaker 1: like that. So I don't think they care that they're

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Speaker 1: considering it, because I'm telling you, it's about the veneer

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Speaker 1: of seriousness and respectability. And as long as they can

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Speaker 1: keep that veneer, they're happy. They're at the point now

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Speaker 1: where ain't no fucking veneer left. Yeah, the veneer is crushed,

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Speaker 1: So of course that's been for a long time. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: me too, obviously obviously. But you know, I mean they're

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Speaker 1: taking heat even from you know, mainstream allege. That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying exactly, So they're thinking about it's just it's

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Speaker 1: just so shameless. It's very possible that ultimately they're going

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Speaker 1: to end up exactly where you're saying, which is like

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Speaker 1: he comes back in a couple of weeks and actually, whoa,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing? Nothing happened. I was just lifting

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Speaker 1: waste for two weeks stream. That's all I know want

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Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, exactly, probably sneaking into Obama's birthday party

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Speaker 1: or whatever on that later. The final point I wanted

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Speaker 1: to make about at least Andrew Cuomo here is that

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's going anywhere. I mean, it's possible that,

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Speaker 1: let me be clear, it's possible that New York impeaches him,

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Speaker 1: that they have the lawmakers to impeach him. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: homeboy's going out like scarface. He's shooting in every direction

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Speaker 1: and down. No, he's pulling a Ralph Northam. Remember the

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Speaker 1: Ralph northumb scandal where he was caught doing black face

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Speaker 1: about forty eight times. Yeah, and then he was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm not going anywhere. Everybody was like, all right,

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Speaker 1: I guess he's not going anywhere. There was all this

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Speaker 1: outrage that it just died down, and he was like,

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Speaker 1: sort of funk off, I'm gonna do what I want. You.

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Speaker 1: Remember what happened there though, which makes this a little

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Speaker 1: bit different is his thing came out that he had

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Speaker 1: done blackface, and it was like everybody else had some

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Speaker 1: prom The lieutenant governor got accused of sexual assault, remember

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Speaker 1: justin Fairfax. The ag also it came out had done

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Speaker 1: blackface or something like that. So the product so then

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Speaker 1: the problem for Democrats was like, oh shit, well, if

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Speaker 1: we're going to get rid of all these guys, then

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Speaker 1: it's going to be Republicans in charge. So I guess

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Speaker 1: we're just going to accept all of them and their

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Speaker 1: black face passed and you know, potential harassment or assault

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Speaker 1: or whatever, We'll just keep moving forward here. What's different is,

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Speaker 1: you know, within the New York Democratic Party, because it

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Speaker 1: is effectively a one party state, there's long been this

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Speaker 1: divide right the more Bernie Left, this divide within the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party, and it's not even between like the Bernie

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Speaker 1: Left and Cuomo was aligned with Republicans to keep to keep,

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Speaker 1: giving Republicans control of the Senate. I mean, this guy

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Speaker 1: has been a real enemy of anyone who is remotely progressive.

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Speaker 1: What's really fascinating is the political story behind Letitia James,

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Speaker 1: who's the Attorney general, who came up as like a

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Speaker 1: sort of lefty Working Families Party candidate in order to

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Speaker 1: become Attorney general, had to effectively renounce the Working Families

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Speaker 1: Party and join up with Cuomo. And now that she's

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Speaker 1: got a chance, she's sticking the knife in and she's

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Speaker 1: really more responsible for his downfall than maybe anyone else.

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Speaker 1: So you have this divide larading the Democratic Party, and

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Speaker 1: you have most of the Democrats having it, if not

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Speaker 1: all of the Democrats having turned on him at this point,

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Speaker 1: which means impeachment I think is fairly likely. And it

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Speaker 1: looks like, I mean, public opinion has moved against him dramatically.

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Speaker 1: We've got a pull we can throw up here as

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Speaker 1: the latest from Quinnipiac that finds seven out of ten voters,

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Speaker 1: let's say seven out of ten voters say Cuomo should resign.

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Speaker 1: Fifty five percent think that Cuomo should be charged with

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Speaker 1: a crime by the way New York voters, this is

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Speaker 1: yeah exactly, and this is he a criminal complaint has

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Speaker 1: been filed against him at this point in Albany, I believe, well,

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Speaker 1: be yes, he may well be charged with a crime.

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Speaker 1: So he's definitely lost the public almost wholly and completely.

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Speaker 1: He's lost the Democratic Party. He may not resign, but

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Speaker 1: I'd be pretty surprised at this point if he's not impeached,

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Speaker 1: and they seem like they're moving that impeachment investigation along

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Speaker 1: very quickly. His dodge is honestly hilarious when he's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not I don't do sexual harassment and assault. I'm Italian.

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Speaker 1: I do everybody. Here's a picture of me kissing Al

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Speaker 1: Sharpton on the cheek. Here's a picture like that. He

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Speaker 1: showed this montage of him like the face grabbing Al

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Speaker 1: Sharpton's breast. Well, see, that's the point I was about

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Speaker 1: to make, is that he likes to take the examples

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Speaker 1: where it's like the weaker evidence and be like I

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Speaker 1: do this with everybody. I'm so handsy. And then you

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Speaker 1: listen to the Attorney General in New York and they

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Speaker 1: lay it out and they're like, he literally reached up

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Speaker 1: a blouse and grabbed some titty. He was grabbing women's

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Speaker 1: asses on the regular. He would say things when he's

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Speaker 1: the boss. He would say things like I'm so lonely

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Speaker 1: and I want to be touched, And you know he

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Speaker 1: did that. He was he was touching inappropriately a fucking

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Speaker 1: state trooper. Who do you believe the balls to do

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Speaker 1: something like that? He made to be assigned to his detail,

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Speaker 1: who didn't she didn't even technically have the qualify kids,

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Speaker 1: she hadn't been in service long enough. And he's like, no,

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Speaker 1: I don't care, I want you on my detail, that's right.

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Speaker 1: And then he is, you know, just routinely touching her

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Speaker 1: and making comments and asking if he can kiss her

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Speaker 1: and all of this stuff that's so uncomfortable. But I

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Speaker 1: will say this, I will. I would like to see

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Speaker 1: him say something along the lines of if he gets

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Speaker 1: the boot, which he may in New York, say something

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Speaker 1: along the lines of have you all seen there's have

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Speaker 1: you heard of Tara Reid? When it comes to Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: see now it's open season because Biden said you got

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Speaker 1: to go, so he could turn around and be like,

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Speaker 1: have you heard of Tara Reid? Bitch? Yeah? There was

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Speaker 1: a rape allegation, he'd turn around to Trump and be like,

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Speaker 1: this motherfucker's got at least a dozen women who are

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Speaker 1: saying all sorts of shit about why are they okay?

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Speaker 1: But I'm not okay. I do want to say there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of people on the right who are,

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Speaker 1: you know, gleefully celebrating his downfall and like, oh, he's

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Speaker 1: such a creepy and he's such a bervert and all

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Speaker 1: of that, which he is, but said none of that

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Speaker 1: when it came to Trump. That's what I'm saying. No,

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Speaker 1: there's no like consistent standard, and that does drive me crazy. Yes, indeed, Hey,

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Speaker 1: show notes. All Right, student debt, what do we got? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we have a big update actually on student debt.

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Speaker 1: Let me go ahead and throw this New York Times

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Speaker 1: article up on the screen for everybody. Biden administration extends

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Speaker 1: student loan repayment pause, so I'll give everybody some more

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Speaker 1: specifics on this. Student loans are now on pause until

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Speaker 1: January thirty, first, my birthday, twenty twenty two. When you

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Speaker 1: look at how this came about original only the Cares

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Speaker 1: Act fro student loan payments. It's one of the only

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Speaker 1: good things in the Cares Act, in my opinion. Then

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Speaker 1: Trump actually extended it along with Betsy de Vas. Biden

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Speaker 1: also extended it one time, and now Biden is doing

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Speaker 1: it again. Now they do say is really important factor here.

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Speaker 1: They do say this is the final time that they're

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Speaker 1: going to do it. They're warning everybody like very clear,

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Speaker 1: like this again. In fact, let me give you a

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Speaker 1: quote from Education Secretary Miguel Cardona. He says, as our

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Speaker 1: nation's economy continues to recover from a deep poll, this

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Speaker 1: final extension will give students and borrowers the time they

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Speaker 1: need to plan for restart and ensure a smooth pathway

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Speaker 1: back to repayment. I love how they make that sound

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Speaker 1: like so flowery, makes so easy. Yeah, it's like I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna go to the money tree. Yeah, I'll go

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Speaker 1: to the money tree and grab it and we'll be

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Speaker 1: all good. Also the confidence that it's not going to

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Speaker 1: be necessary again when I mean, you've got delta vary

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Speaker 1: and is there another like we don't know what the

640
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Speaker 1: world looks like. Even if we don't have another variant.

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Speaker 1: People can't fucking pay this. There's one point seven trillion

642
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Speaker 1: dollars where the student loan debt. Now, I do want

643
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Speaker 1: to remind everybody what Joe Biden said when it comes

644
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: to this issue on the campaign trail roll that video.

645
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 1: He's agrees, you end up with all this debt and

646
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: you're in a position where you can't get a job

647
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Speaker 1: because no one's hiring, or if they're hiring, they're hiring

648
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: at very low wages. And so what we have to

649
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: do is we have to make sure that you get

650
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: the opportunity. That's why I'm going to eliminate a lot

651
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Speaker 1: of your student debt if you, in fact are if

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Speaker 1: you come from a family less than one hundred and

653
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Speaker 1: twenty five grand and you went to a public university,

654
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Speaker 1: I'm going to make sure that everybody in this generation

655
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Speaker 1: gets ten thousand dollars knocked off of their student debt.

656
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Speaker 1: As we try to get out of this god awful pandemic. Wow,

657
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: that would be nice of him to do. Yeah, so, actually,

658
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Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about this because I'm curious

659
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Speaker 1: what your interpretation of it was, because he said, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to eliminate it if you make less if your

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Speaker 1: family makes less than one hundred and twenty five thousand

662
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: dollars and went to a public university. Yeah, so that

663
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Speaker 1: means what he says, right, which is if you fall

664
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Speaker 1: in that category, which most people do fall in that category,

665
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna eliminate it. Fully. Was that his argument? I

666
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Speaker 1: believe so, And that's my recollection from the campaign trail too,

667
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: because remember the divide between him and Bernie and I

668
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: think Warren a couple others was like whether or not

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Speaker 1: you were going to eliminate debt for wealthy people as well,

670
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: or make this a note argument about like, oh, you're

671
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Speaker 1: gonna get rid of Don Junior's student as if fucking

672
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 1: Don Junior has student college debt. You know, I mean,

673
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: it's just a silly argument, But I remember that being

674
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Speaker 1: the divide, not so much like ten thousand or fifty thousand.

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Speaker 1: Those numbers seem to have come in after the campaign

676
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: when you had Schumer and Warren actually saying, hey, let's

677
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: get rid of fifty thousand dollars in debt, and then

678
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: the Biden people flow, well, maybe we'll do ten thousand dollars.

679
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: But and they said do it through Congress. Yah, knowing

680
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: it's not going to get through. That's not going to happen.

681
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: I should be clear. Yeah, even though they could do

682
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: it with obviously he could do it with the stroke

683
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: of a pet but doesn't want to. So he says,

684
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: if you make less, if your family makes lessan one

685
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five thousand dollars and you went to

686
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: a public university, we're going to eliminate the debt. And

687
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Speaker 1: then he also did say for everybody else, ten thousand

688
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: knocked off. Yeah, and like you're pointing out now, he's like,

689
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Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys are talking about. I

690
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: don't know anything about that. Yeah. I mean, now bring

691
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Speaker 1: up the Pelosi thing because this is fascinating. Well, yeah,

692
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: so this is interesting as well because Nancy Pelosi just

693
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Speaker 1: came out and made like basically a right wing argument

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Speaker 1: that's got a lot of attention against canceling student debt,

695
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: and everybody started scratching their head like, where did this

696
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: flip flop and this repositioning from Nancy Pelosi come from? First,

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00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: let's take a listen to her comments, then we can

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Speaker 1: talk about where it came from. Suppose your family was

699
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: not Your child just decided they want to at this

700
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: time not want to go to college, but you're paying

701
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: taxes to forgive somebody else's obligations. You may not be

702
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: happy about that, but you know what, we want all

703
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Speaker 1: of our kids to reach their fulfillment to the extent

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Speaker 1: that they want to go to college. We do not

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Speaker 1: want them to be prohibited from doing that for financial reasons.

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Speaker 1: There's so much that's wrong with these comments, and I

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00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: know you covered it on your show, but like, first

708
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: of all, this very simplistic notion that you're paying taxes

709
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,479
Speaker 1: that go directly to X, as if it's just money

710
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: in and money out, is not actually how the federal

711
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: government works. We know we can run deficits, we know

712
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: that all you know, the federal government does not operate

713
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: like your checkbook or bank account or whatever, So that's

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Speaker 1: sort of silly. Second of all, it always drives me crazy,

715
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Speaker 1: and Republicans do this all the time, which is why

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00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: this is such a right wing argument of like, well,

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00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: working class Americans, they may not want to send their

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Speaker 1: kids to college. It's like, no, most people want a

719
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: lot of people want their kids to go to college.

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Speaker 1: And second of all, just because you're forgiving this student

721
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: debt doesn't mean you can't do anything else for anyone else.

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Speaker 1: So all the way, it's just a bad and disingenuous argument,

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Speaker 1: But it also represented a shift in what she had

724
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: been saying. Someone's going like, why are you saying this? Now?

725
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: Where did this come from? Oh? Lo, and turns out

726
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: and we can throw this reporting up from the intercept

727
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: on the screen Ryan Graham and Ken Clippenstein. Turns out,

728
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: her surprise flip on student debt cancelation came after a

729
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: billionaire power couple Stephen and Mary Swig, circulated a memo

730
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Speaker 1: that argued against cancelation via executive order. So she has

731
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Speaker 1: clearly seems to have been influenced by this. One wonders

732
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Speaker 1: if Biden has also been influenced by this, although he

733
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Speaker 1: seems to have from the beginning of his administration had

734
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Speaker 1: zero intention of using executive order to get rid of

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Speaker 1: student debt. And so this is a classic example where yes,

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Speaker 1: it's good that they are pausing student debt payments until January.

737
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: That is a good thing that's going to help people temporarily.

738
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Speaker 1: But they expect you to be like gleeful and like, oh,

739
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: they're so amazing and look at all this great Steven

740
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: fucking Trump did it. Even Trump did it right exactly,

741
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: they had to. Yeah, when you have the power and

742
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: this isn't something here you can say, oh, well I

743
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: would but the Republicans, or I would but the filibuster,

744
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: or I would but the Parla and Terry. No, you

745
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,479
Speaker 1: have the clear authority on this one. I mean a

746
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: very little gray area here to be able to eliminate

747
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: as much student debt as you want to eliminate, and

748
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: you are actively choosing not to do that, even though

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Speaker 1: as you just played, he promised to do a significant amount,

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Speaker 1: not as much as even as we would want, but

751
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: a significant amount on the campaign trail, and even that

752
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 1: he's just choosing not to do. Okay, yeah, I'm chopping

753
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: at the bid to get in here. So first of all,

754
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: not only can Biden eliminate at all with the stroke

755
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: of a pen, I can cite you the specific law

756
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: that gives him the authority to do that. It's not

757
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: up in the air, it's not ambiguous. It's crystal clear,

758
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: no pun intended. It's the Higher Education Act of nineteen

759
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: sixty five, signed by Lyndon Johnson. And you know what,

760
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: they've already used the authority in that law to eliminate

761
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: some student debt already. Yeah. In fact, Joe Biden did

762
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: it for about one billion dollars worth when he came

763
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: to these flat out scam for profit colleges that have

764
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: now been deemed in a court of law as scam.

765
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: So we return the money to those people and cancel

766
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: their student debt. So they have the authority to do it.

767
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: He could do with the stroke of a pen, and

768
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: he can do it right now, and he's actively choosing

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00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: not to do it. That a Nancy Pelosi's argument, Oh

770
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: my god, you're paying taxes. Some people might not want

771
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: their taxes going to that thing. Do I want my

772
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,479
Speaker 1: tax money going towards Wall Street baillouts? Do I want

773
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: my tax money going towards endless war and tax cuts

774
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: for the wealthy? Now it's so selective all of a sudden,

775
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: when it's something to help regular people. Oh, some people

776
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: might not want them money go to that and by

777
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: the way, it's not even true because poll showed it's

778
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Speaker 1: about anywhere between fifty five percent and sixty percent of

779
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: the country that supports free college. I haven't seen a

780
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: pole specifically on student debt elimination, but free college is

781
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: a good analog for that, and people support it. And

782
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: then another point, if people have a genuine concern with

783
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if free college is the way to go,

784
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: allow me to make a deal with you. I'll also

785
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: give you free trade school, and I'll also give you

786
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: free apprenticeships. She could pick whatever the fuck you want.

787
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: You don't want to go to college, fine, go to

788
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: free trade school, get a free apprenticeship. This is what

789
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: you do. It's an investment in the future of your

790
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: country and it helps everybody. Yes. And by the way,

791
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: two thirds of respondents in a recent poll said they'd

792
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Speaker 1: have a tough time affording payments once this freeze was lifted.

793
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: So like sixty six percent of the country says, I

794
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: don't even know if I'm to be be able to fucking

795
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: afford this. Yeah, So what we're talking about is really

796
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: shackling an entire generation of people and giving them the

797
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: middle finger. When you look at the numbers of how

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00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: well off the boomers are versus all the generations below.

799
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: Gen Xers are still slightly better than millennials and zoomers,

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Speaker 1: But when you look at millennials and zoomers, they have

801
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: like no wealth at all, and this is just going

802
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: to screw them over more one point seven trillion dollars worth.

803
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: Funny enough, that's almost the exact same number that the

804
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen Republican tax cuts for the wealthy. Eighty three

805
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: percent of them went for the wealthy. That's how much

806
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: that adds to and the depthsert. Yeah, and they just

807
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: did it, no questions asked, not you're gonna pay for it?

808
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: And this they're like, no, I don't know, or how

809
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: can we pay for it? Do people even want to

810
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: pay taxes on that? Let me stonewall in every fucking

811
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: way imaginable. There's actually an important one All Street Journal

812
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: analysis that's just down too about how much debt Black

813
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: Americans in particular hold. And so this is another one

814
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: of those universal programs that while benefiting everyone who went

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Speaker 1: to college and didn't have mommy and daddy to be

816
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: able to just like pony up all the money right

817
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: up front, but this disproportionately impacts black households. They say

818
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,479
Speaker 1: that more than eighty four percent of college educated black

819
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Speaker 1: households in their thirties have student debt. That's up from

820
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,479
Speaker 1: thirty five percent three decades ago, when maybe when many

821
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: to your point, baby boomers were at the same age.

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Speaker 1: The younger generation owes a median of forty four thousand dollars.

823
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: That's up from less than six thousand dollars, right, So

824
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: that's just the midpoint of what people owe. The average

825
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: the median is forty four thousand dollars. They also point

826
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: out that college costs have, of course soared astronomically in

827
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: recent years, but black students get a lot less help

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00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: from their parents to cover them. In twenty twelve, sixty

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Speaker 1: four percent of white families contributed an average of seventy

830
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: three K toward their college aged children's education. At the

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Speaker 1: same time, for just thirty four percent of black families

832
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Speaker 1: assisted at all, at an average of sixteen thousand dollars.

833
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: So once again, this is another universal program that would

834
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: help everyone who's struggling with student debt. But you know,

835
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: the promise that was made to so many Americans, but

836
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: black Americans in particular is like, go to college, this

837
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: is going to close the racial wealth if this will

838
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: be the way that we achieve equity, all of those things,

839
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: and it's turned out primarily because of the massive amounts

840
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Speaker 1: of debt that people have to take on to get

841
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 1: through college. It has turned out to be the polar

842
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: opposite of the case. That's exactly right. And the final

843
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: point I want to make on this is I don't

844
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Speaker 1: want to hear a single thing from anybody who ever said,

845
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: you know America first, for example, because I actually want

846
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: to put America first. And here are just some of

847
00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: the countries that have free or nearly free college Brazil, Germany, Finland, France, Norway,

848
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: Slovenia and Sweden. You're telling me we can't catch up

849
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: to Slovenia when it comes to college. Not only do

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Speaker 1: I want to have free college in this country, I

851
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: want to have a free college program that's the envy

852
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: of the world, right And instead we're being told we

853
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: can't do it, we can't do the bareman when we

854
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: can't eliminate student loan debt, It's well, we can do

855
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: I mean, and you don't even have to look overseas.

856
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: You can look at the way things used to be

857
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: in this distry. I mean, if you're a California their

858
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: public university system used to be very close to free,

859
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: very very affordable. And then it was actually Reagan who

860
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: started cutting taxes to fund public education, public university and

861
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: state of California, and so those tuition cauts have gone

862
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: up and up and up. I mean, you know, when

863
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: my dad went to college and he was able to

864
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: get a PhD. He came from a very poor family

865
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: in West Virginia during the Great Depression, he was able

866
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: to afford college at West Virginia University. I had working

867
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: construction jobs in the summer. Like that, pathway to go

868
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: from poor rural or urban household to middle class prosperity

869
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: through education is increasingly closed because of the costs and

870
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: because even if you do it, you're going to be

871
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: piled up with a mountain of debt. And Joe Biden

872
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: could change that, not just like push it off for

873
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: a few months into the future and then good luck

874
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: come January making up your thousands and thousands of dollars

875
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: in payments. But for whatever reason, he chooses not to

876
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: use that power that is very clearly at his fingertips

877
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: as you pointed out, he has already used this authority

878
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: in other very selective instances. Trump used this authority in

879
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: very selective instances. I think what Trump it had to

880
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: do with disabled veterans. So the authority is there, he

881
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: just has decided he didn't want to do it. And

882
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: this is this would be legacy building. You know all

883
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: those terrible articles that compare Biden to the new FDR.

884
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: If you actually want to build a legacy for something

885
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: that will last a little bit, well, this is something

886
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: that you would do. But I'm not going to hold

887
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: my breath indeed, all right now for the Obama news

888
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: that I was obviously chomping at the bit to get to. Okay,

889
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: so we tagged last week about as big birthday party.

890
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: Of course, people were getting uncomfortable because Delta very insurging.

891
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 1: We're getting all this guidance from the CDC a battle

892
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: we shouldn't have good big gatherings. We should all be

893
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: wearing masks, et cetera. Now, personally, I think, if you're vaccinated,

894
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: go out and live your life. I think, honestly like

895
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: the risk of the Obama birthday party being some sort

896
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: of super spreader event, given that almost everybody that was

897
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: probably vaccinated given that they were doing testing events or whatever.

898
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: Like the safety thing is not my concern. What I

899
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: think is interesting is, you know, this is a guy

900
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: who promised to be different. He promised to be a

901
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: different sort of politician. He came in the hope and

902
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: change that messaging, et cetera, et cetera. Turns out he's

903
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: just like everybody else. He just used his office to

904
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: like make himself rich and famous, and now he's cashing

905
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 1: in on the benefits of that wealth and that fame

906
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: with his sixtieth party. But what was really interesting here

907
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: is after the backlash over this gigantic, you know, multi

908
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: hundred person event, they decided, or at least they told

909
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: the press that they decided to scale this thing back.

910
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: So some people and this is, you know, going to

911
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: be star studded and Pearl jam was supposed to be

912
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: there and Beyonce and all these people. So the people

913
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 1: they apparently decided to cut from the invite list, which

914
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: they described as we're just going to keep it small

915
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: and friends and family, first of all, still appear to

916
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: have been a multi hundred person affair, so very large

917
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: gathering still. But the ones that got left off the list,

918
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: for like, the people who David Axelron, the people that

919
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: worked for him in his administration, who got him elected

920
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: in the first place, were the ones that got cut

921
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: from the list. And they still kept on Jay Z

922
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: and Beyonce and all of these Chrissy Teaguan and John

923
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: Legend and Dwayne Wayne and Stephen Colbert. Even a Real

924
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 1: Housewives of Atlanta star Kim Fields was apparently on the list,

925
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: but the people who actually helped him get to office

926
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: were chopped off. I think we have a tear sheet

927
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: from the New York Times that reported on the Obama

928
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: guest list, and it says a lot to me, Kyle

929
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: about who this person is, that you know, this is

930
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: what you would do after you've been in office, that

931
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 1: this is the people you would choose to like keep

932
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: in and push out the ones who actually helped you

933
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: achieve this position of status and power. So I thought

934
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: it was pretty revealing. Yeah, so I have a bunch

935
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: of stuff to say about this on the COVID angle.

936
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: I do think that's a little bit hacky. If I'm

937
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 1: being honest with everybody, everybody harping away on the COVID angle,

938
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: I get the hypocrisy point of like, you know, all

939
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: these liberal outlets are harping away on how it's still

940
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: a threat, and then here's the quintessential liberal elite who's

941
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: doing the exact same thing that they're warning against. I

942
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: get the hypocrisy angle, but I do think overall that conversation,

943
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: I tend to agree with what you said there, which

944
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: is like, they're vaccinated, They're gonna do whatever they want

945
00:45:54,760 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: to do, breakthrough infections among vaccinated, tiny, tiny, tiny, and

946
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: even when they get the number that are hospitalized as

947
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: like next enough, and number who die is like even

948
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: more next to nothing. Small. Yes, if you're vaccinated, you're

949
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: pretty much gonna be all right, you know. So that

950
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: angle is not the thing that intrigues me. The thing

951
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: that intrigues me is, yes, he is fulfilling every single

952
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: stereotype of the out of touch liberal elite. And the

953
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: thing that popped in my mind as I looked at

954
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: the specifics of this story, it's the Great Gatsby. Because

955
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: it strikes me that Obama, it's honestly, and maybe I'm

956
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: reading too much into it. You guys can come after

957
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: me over that. I don't really care, but it strikes

958
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: me like, this is the kind of person who has

959
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: no real friends that he has the friends that are

960
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: other elites in these elite circles, and he feels cool

961
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: talking to Dwayne Wade and talking to Beyonce and talking

962
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: to jay Z and surrounding himself with these people. Has

963
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: he connected on any real, deep human level with any

964
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: of these people that he invited to his party or

965
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: is it almost like, you know, it's for the trophy case.

966
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: It's you take all the pictures you see yourself with

967
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: all the celebrit and they're doing the exact same fucking

968
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: thing with him. Oh my god, I got to party

969
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: with the president. The president is such a cool person

970
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: and down to earth person. You know, it sort of

971
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: is really empty and it's really hollow, and in a sense,

972
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: it's sort of the exact opposite of what I try

973
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: to do in my life, where I have like a

974
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: small number of friends, but I'm really really close with

975
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: those friends. His is like, let me try to get

976
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: as many friends as humanly possible who are other elites,

977
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: and not really get close with any of them. And

978
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: it reminds me of the remember the first time he

979
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: was in the news after his presidency because it was

980
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: giving four hundred thousand dollars speeches to Wall Street. I

981
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: was thinking it was partying with Richard Brands. And that's

982
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: the other thing. It was parasailing with Richard Branson, which

983
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: is somehow even more grotesque when you say the words,

984
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: so yeah, that is like quintessential Obama. You get the

985
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 1: sense that like he thinks, well, I put in my time,

986
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: I did what I could do, and then now it's

987
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: like I'm just checking out of everything. You got the

988
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: sense he doesn't even really think about politics or talk

989
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: about politics anymore. The only time you see him like

990
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: come into play is when it's Bernie Sanders or someone

991
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: as good, which is actually do something good. The point

992
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 1: that iron Mes like and by the way, shameless plug.

993
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: We had Irony on Crystal Colin Friends last week and

994
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: he times about Obama. He it was a great interview.

995
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is really just a fascinating thinker.

996
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: But he's basically like, look, Obama's whole job now is

997
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: to protect his legacy. And what is his legacy really?

998
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: His legacy is eight years of telling people what's not possible,

999
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: right of convincing people. He uses the word confusing people

1000
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: on what the fight is confusing people on what their

1001
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: government can actually do for them. Because what he goes

1002
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: around Obamacare is the best we could do. It's still terrible. Yeah,

1003
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: there's still problems. We loved it, but this was this

1004
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: was the absolute most we could do. So if you

1005
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: have someone who's going to come in and be like, no,

1006
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: actually we could get everybody healthcare, he doesn't want to

1007
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: hear that. That's very damaging for him and his fame

1008
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: and his powers, prestige and all of that stuff. And

1009
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: that's fundamentally where his interests. Lie Bernie was in the

1010
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: words of Iromy, Bernie was not me us Obama was me, right,

1011
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: and that's what those party is. I mean, that's that's accurate.

1012
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is. And now he feels like

1013
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: if you get a transformative figure, if you get a

1014
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: new FDR, if you get a Bernie Sanders type in there,

1015
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: and they actually deliver even on ten percent of the

1016
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: things that they want to deliver on, then yeah, it

1017
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: makes him. It makes Obama look like a hacky clone

1018
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,959
Speaker 1: of Bill Clinton, right, because he is a hackey clone

1019
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: of Bill Clinton, and his whole job is Yeah, this

1020
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: is what's not possible, and I'm sorry, but it's just

1021
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: real politic to take the Wall Street money and take

1022
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: the corporate money and do the bidding of the corporations

1023
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: and just do some tweaks around the edges. Yeah, I

1024
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: you know, listen crimea river for the Obama administration officials

1025
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: who got cut off the guest list and didn't get

1026
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: to go to the fancy party. But it is kind

1027
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: of messed up, and apparently they were really caught by surprise.

1028
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: This is from that New York Times article that Jay

1029
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: Z and Beyonce are in and they're watching, like, you know,

1030
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: the press coverage and the tabloid coverage whatever, and they're

1031
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: cut off the list. It says they'd been looking forward

1032
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: to this reunion after an isolated year. They credit themselves

1033
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: with helping cre eight that Obama legacy that has allowed

1034
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: the former president to settle in so comfortably with the

1035
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: A list crowd, and they were left having to watch it,

1036
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, on the TV and through the tabloids like

1037
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: the rest of us. There were some photos that people

1038
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: weren't supposed to take photos, but some people did and

1039
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: posted them. I think Eric Abadu was actually there and

1040
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: posted some photos et cetera. There and then they were

1041
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: told to delete them, by the way, and then they

1042
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: were made to delete them. So New York Post of

1043
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: course grabbed. I think TMZ also had a write up,

1044
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: and there were a couple of things here to the

1045
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: like COVID hypocrisy angle. First of all, as I was

1046
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: alluding to, they spun to the press like, Oh, we're

1047
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: gonna pair this bet, this is just going to be

1048
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 1: close friends and family. Does that look like close friends

1049
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: and family to you? Number one? Number two, they were like,

1050
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: it's all outdoors. But then we saw the pictures too.

1051
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: It was like a tent enclosed tent, right, like one

1052
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: of those big plastic tents that's like closed in. So again,

1053
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: do I think that this is gonna be some super

1054
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 1: sparader I we should be freaking out or there's any

1055
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: real danger. No, I don't, But I do think that

1056
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: they fund the press magnificently and buy and large. The

1057
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: press basically took debate. Well, yeah, because they love Obama. Absolutely,

1058
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's what they're going to do. They

1059
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: love the guy, and so they're going to cut for

1060
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: him and totally expected in every way. I just wish

1061
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: that there was you know, I wish that you had

1062
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: more of an adversarial media that was against the Democrats

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00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: and the Republicans, frankly, and that would tell you the

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00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: truth about what all of them are doing. Because Obama

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00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: in context, really is that four hundred thousand dollars Wall

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00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: Street speech that he gave immediately after he left office.

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00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: And the reason why they paid him that money to

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Speaker 1: give that speech is because he served them while he

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00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: was pressing. He failed out Wall Street. He was there

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00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,479
Speaker 1: right at the moment when it was a pivot point.

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00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: Actual he really needed a pivot on climate. We needed

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Speaker 1: a pivot on the fate of the working class, like

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00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: regulation of Wall Street, yes, different, yes, on trade deals,

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00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: on privatization, on deregulation, all these things we needed desperately.

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00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: That was the time, right after the financial collapse, and

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00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: he completely failed. I mean, he did the bidding of

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00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: Wall Street, bailed them out, left homeowners to starve and

1078
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: drive up on the vine. And it's no accident that

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00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: then you get Donald Trump and end up where we

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00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: are today. And like, you know, is it one hundred

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00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: percent of his blame or anything to you know, has

1082
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: fault or anything like that. No, but it happened that

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00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: you elected this supposedly transformational figure at a moment when

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00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: the nation really really really needed a transformational figure, and

1085
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: you had control of both houses of Congress, you had

1086
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: a super majority in the Senate, and you just let

1087
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: that all of that basically be squandered. Why because you

1088
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: didn't want to piss off the A list elite set.

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00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 1: You wanted to be able to have this sixtieth birthday

1090
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: party that you had this weekend. So congratulations, mister president.

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00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: Interesting interview that we alluded to earlier that we wanted

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00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: to bring you between Anderson Cooper and Bill Gates. Now,

1093
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: as you know if you've watching this show, recent reporting

1094
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: about not only Bill Gates but also the nature of

1095
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: his divorce from his wife, indicates that he was having

1096
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: a whole lot of interactions with one mister Jeffrey Epstein

1097
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: that his now former wife, Melinda Gates, was not terribly

1098
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: happy about. To his credit, Anderson Cooper actually led the interview,

1099
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: asking him some very uncomfortable questions about all of that.

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00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to that. Melinda was concerned about

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00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: a relationship you had with Jeffrey Epstein, who, at the

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00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 1: time you met him in twenty eleven, had been already

1103
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: convicted of soliciting prostitution from a minor. The Times reported

1104
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: she hired divorce attorneys around the time. In October twenty nineteen,

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00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: when that contact with Epstein became public, can you explain

1106
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: your relationship with Epstein? Did you have any concerns? Was

1107
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: there ever any concerns you had about it? Oh? Certainly,

1108
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: you know, I had several dinners with him, you know,

1109
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: hoping that what he'sa said about getting billions of hilanthropy

1110
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: for global health through contacts that he had might emerge.

1111
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: You know. When it looked like that wasn't a real thing,

1112
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: that relationship ended. But it was a huge mistake to

1113
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: spend time with him, to give them the credibility of

1114
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, being there there. There were lots of others

1115
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: in that same situation, but I made a mistake. And

1116
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: by the way, that's that's the end of the clip there.

1117
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: But just so you know, Anderson does not follow up

1118
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: there whatsoever. So well, I do want to give him

1119
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: credit for even asking the question, which I think ninety

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00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: some percent of cable news hosts would not have even

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00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: done that. What Gates says there is just not at

1122
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: all consistent with what's been reported, and we have New

1123
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: York Post, of course, is there to remind everyone of

1124
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: what has been reported out before. According to this original

1125
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: report actually came in the Daily Beast, Epstein and Gates

1126
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: met dozens of times from twenty eleven to twenty fourteen.

1127
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: I think the Wall Street Journal also had some reporting

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00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: to this effect, with Gates treating the get togethers as

1129
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 1: an escape. A person who attended some of the meetings

1130
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: told the publication they happened at Epstein's infamous Manhattan Upper

1131
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: east Side mansion that's pictured there, and this other person said,

1132
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: it's not an overstatement. Going to Jeffrey's was a respite

1133
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: from his marriage. It was a way of getting away

1134
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: from Melinda. The reporting even suggested that he was getting

1135
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: marriage advice from Jeffrey Epstein, so the way he portrays

1136
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 1: it there and of course he denies a bill never

1137
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: received or solicit personal advice, etc. Etc. So just to

1138
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: put that out there for the lawyers, but the way

1139
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: he portrays it of like we had a couple of dinners.

1140
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: I found out there was no there there cut off

1141
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: communication that was it is radically different from what everyone

1142
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: else who was involved in the interactions said that was

1143
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 1: going on there. Yeah, And to be fair to Anderson,

1144
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: that he does actually go on. He doesn't ask a

1145
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: follow up about that, but he goes on to ask

1146
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,959
Speaker 1: him about a step affair that we know that Bill

1147
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: Gates had. And actually, as awkward as Bill Gates was there,

1148
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: his answer to that question, I think is even more

1149
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: awkward because you see it more and more in his

1150
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: body language as he talks. That he's awkward, he's evasive,

1151
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: he's defensive. He does the opposite of like wearing his

1152
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: heart on his sleeve and telling everybody the truth to

1153
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: get it all out there. He's basically he's clearly trying

1154
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: to conceal like a number of things. And to your point, yeah, oh,

1155
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: I had several dinners with him, No, bitch, you were

1156
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: besties with the guy who runs like billionaire pedophile Incorporated.

1157
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: That's what it was. And you know, you look at

1158
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: the list of the people who were close with Jeffrey Epstein,

1159
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: whether it's Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz, it's sort of like

1160
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: a who's who of science ye people and a who's

1161
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: who of billionaire creeps. And listen, my default position is

1162
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: that all of them were doing the creepiest, grossest things

1163
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: you can imagine until proven otherwise because he whoopsies, I

1164
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: cuddled up to the owner of Billionaire Pedophiles, Inc. That

1165
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. And listen, maybe you could make an excuse

1166
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: for people who associated with him before the conviction, which happened,

1167
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: Like what was that like two thousand and nine and

1168
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: that happened the conviction? Okay, but Gates, this is long after, right,

1169
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: So he is a known and his wife was like,

1170
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: what are you fucking doing? Known predator? Enough, so Melinda

1171
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: is like, what the fuck? Like, you got to stop this.

1172
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: This is insane. And Melinda has been very involved in

1173
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: one of her causes has been fighting sex trafficking. So

1174
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: here's our husband going to get marital advice from Jeffrey

1175
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: Epstein and having like boys nights out with him. Yeah,

1176
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: that's like getting morality advice from Ted Kazuki. And so

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00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: I mean, why does this story matter? First of all,

1178
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: Bill Gates is a very very powerful, influential people person

1179
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: who basically runs public health. Got all of his riches

1180
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: from his own Yeah, I mean, he's you know, criminal

1181
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: monopolist who's now we're seeing the rest of us to

1182
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: deal with criminal monopolists in terms of big pharma, and

1183
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: we've talked about the way that that's really hampered the

1184
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: ability to get vaccines out to the rest of the world.

1185
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: So very significant to know what's going on here. But

1186
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: it's just this mystery of how was Epstein able to

1187
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: ingratiate himself, oh, I know, with all of these people

1188
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: over so many years, and be completely protected for years

1189
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: and years and years from any sort of consequences for

1190
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: his horrific actions, to the point where he can be

1191
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: palain around with what you have to say, is one

1192
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: of the most powerful people on the planet given him

1193
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: marital advice like that is really shocking. Yes, Now there's

1194
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: the official story, which is at least partly true, probably

1195
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: mostly true, in terms of how Epstein got as wealth.

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00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: There is a billionaire who was the head of I

1197
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: think Bath and body Works and Victoria's Secret. It's yeah,

1198
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: the limited Company or l or whatever Limited, Victoria's Secret,

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00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: Bath and Bodyworks. They're all part of one company. Right.

1200
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: So this a Midwestern guy, mile mannered, and apparently this

1201
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: guy was very lonely, had no friends, and you had

1202
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: the Wexner. There you go. The sophisticated con man Jeffrey

1203
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: Epstein was able to snuggle up close to this guy

1204
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: and basically was his everything, was his financial advisor, was

1205
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: his friend. And you know, he ended up getting a

1206
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: lot of that dude's money. Now that's the official story,

1207
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: that's definitely, at least partly true. My speculation, my suspicion

1208
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: is that the only way Epstein got that close to

1209
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: that many powerful people, politicians and celebrities and billionaires is

1210
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: because it's either a US intelligence or Israelian intelligence and

1211
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: they wanted dirt. And that's what you do, is you

1212
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: find a guy like that who's really dynamic and can

1213
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: snuggle up to these people, and then all of a sudden,

1214
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: you got pictures of Bill Clinton in address, you got

1215
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: pictures of some celebrity billionaire jack off getting sucked off

1216
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: by some transgender fourteen year old, and you got all

1217
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: this dirt. And then he has the capacity and the

1218
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: ability to take them down. Do I hear the people

1219
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: in the control room laughing as well, Yeah, I still

1220
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: got it, boys, I still got it. Allegedly, et cetera,

1221
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: et cetera. I mean, this one certainly plausible explanation for

1222
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: house someone gets away with this stuff with impunity exactly.

1223
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: And there were all these weird deals that were cut

1224
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: early on with the different you know, police departments and

1225
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: whatnot that was down in Florida. He gets that was

1226
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: the one conviction. Was this incredibly sweetheart deal that alex

1227
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: Icasu goes on to become Trump's labor secretary cuts, And

1228
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: the deal itself certainly appears on its face to be

1229
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: illegal and violated the rights of his victims in not

1230
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: informing them that this deal was ultimately cut. Dershowitz and

1231
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: ken Starr were his lawyers at the time. But yeah,

1232
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: I think, you know, part of what's going on here

1233
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: is cause he was able to ingratiate himself in these circles.

1234
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: He's able to get compromising information, like you don't want

1235
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: to be the one to blow the whistle on the

1236
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: sky when you know you were at the parties and

1237
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: who knows what else you may have seen or you know,

1238
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,439
Speaker 1: been affiliated with. I'm vaguely remembering, wasn't there some sort

1239
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: of quote like from one of the people one of

1240
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: the police departments, one of the attorney attorneys general, where

1241
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: they were like getting this guy's above our pay grade.

1242
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: I think there was something that was really ominous like

1243
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: that that I remember reading where I paused and I

1244
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: was like, WHOA, that's a weird thing to say. So yeah,

1245
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: I mean, let's also remember though, that when it comes

1246
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: to Bill Gates, one of the only reasons why anybody

1247
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: ever accepted him for any amount of time is that

1248
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: he had a fantastic PR team. And one of the

1249
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: theories is that the reason why he did all of

1250
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: this charity early on is that it sort of changed

1251
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: his image because there was a time in the nineties

1252
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: and early nineties, I think where he was viewed as

1253
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: like this ruthless monopolist who was snuffing out the competition.

1254
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: He was known as a huge asshole, and he was

1255
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: doing all these funethical things. Yeah, and then he started

1256
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: doing this charity stuff where he changed his public image

1257
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: to the point where there was some glowing Netflix documentary

1258
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: or some shit that was made about him. It was

1259
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: really gross. But yet all of that is PR bullshit.

1260
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: And to your point, I learned this from you when

1261
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: you look at what he did with public health. When

1262
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: it comes to the COVID vaccine, this is a guy

1263
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: who said, oh, we're going to vaccinate the world through

1264
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: our charity through kovax, and only they were only able

1265
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: to get what a couple hundred million vaccines when they

1266
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: needed like billions. Totally pathetic, And he was fighting the patents.

1267
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: He was fighting to keep the patents in place. So

1268
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: in other words, that means that all the pharmaceutical companies

1269
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: can get phenomenally wealthy as people can't get vaccinated. They

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Speaker 1: won't let them make cheap generic vaccines to vaccinate the

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Speaker 1: world because of people like Bill Gates. Yes, that is

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Speaker 1: precisely right and just completely parroting big pharma talking points,

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Speaker 1: because yeah, he got his money from being a monopolist.

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Speaker 1: He got his money from being able to use and

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Speaker 1: abuse he's patent protections. So he is an ideologue where

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Speaker 1: this stuff is concerned, which not only has dramatically impacted

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Speaker 1: the fight against COVID, like if you care about fighting

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Speaker 1: the delta variant and all of these things, which everyone should,

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Speaker 1: and making sure that we don't have an even more

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Speaker 1: deadly variant come around, like the best thing you could

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Speaker 1: do in the entire world right now is to get

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Speaker 1: the world vaccinated. Of course we could do better here,

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Speaker 1: of course, there's things, you know, we need everybody here

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Speaker 1: who can get vaccinated, to get vaccinated, but there are

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Speaker 1: so many countries around the world that have barely administered

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Speaker 1: their very first dose, and there's almost no one more

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Speaker 1: complicit in making that the case than Bill Gates. And

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Speaker 1: one thing that's really sad is I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you covered I covered this pulling a while back on

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Speaker 1: like the way liberals and conservatives feel about billionaires. Bill

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Speaker 1: Gates wildly popular with Democrats. Democrats love this guy on

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Speaker 1: the part of I doubt it, I really doubt it

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Speaker 1: because this kind of stuff gets so little mainstream coverage,

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01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: like most of the definition of maintaining I know, but

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Speaker 1: most of the world does not know about his involvement

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Speaker 1: in making sure that the world does not get these

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Speaker 1: life saving vaccines because our media is broken. Exactly everybody

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Speaker 1: should know is broken. So that's why it's sort of

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Speaker 1: shocking when you see Anderson Cooper asque even a moderately

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Speaker 1: challenging question of mister Gates. Indeed, Wow, you guys really

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Speaker 1: like listening to our voices? Well, I know this is

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Speaker 1: annoying instead of making you listen to a Viagra commercial.

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Speaker 1: When you're done, check out the other podcast I do

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Speaker 1: with Marshall Kasloff called the realignment. We talk a lot

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Speaker 1: about the deeper issues that are changing. Realigning in American society.

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Speaker 1: You always need more Crystal and Zag in your daily lives.

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Speaker 1: Take care, guys, all right, So there is new fallout

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Speaker 1: from that bombshell age report detail at Governor Andrew Cuomo's

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Speaker 1: years of illegal harassment and abuse. First of all, Coloma's

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Speaker 1: former executive assistant is filing a formal criminal complaint against him.

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Speaker 1: That woman, who is named Britney Commiso. She alleges she

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Speaker 1: was summoned to the Governor's mansion where Cuomo proceeded to

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Speaker 1: fondle her breast under her blouse. So just as his

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Speaker 1: political peril has dramatically increased, his legal peril has also escalated.

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Speaker 1: But I am tracking the collateral damage from the report,

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Speaker 1: which implicates a number of key figures in working to

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Speaker 1: protect Cuomo and to smear at least one of the

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Speaker 1: women who alleged harassment. So here's the New York Times

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01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: on that cover up. Mister Cuomo sought council for former

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Speaker 1: administration officials like Alfonso David, who is now the president

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Speaker 1: of the Human Rights Campaign, the largest LGBTQ political lobbying

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Speaker 1: organization in the country. Also Tina Chen, who heads times UP,

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01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: a group that supports victims of sexual harassment supposedly anyway, ROBERTA. A. Kaplan,

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Speaker 1: a founder of the Times UP Legal Defense Fund, and

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Speaker 1: the governor's brother, Chris Cuomo. So look, we already knew

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01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: about how his brother, primetime CNN anchor and supposedly neutral journalists,

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01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: had conspired with the governor repeatedly. Chris Cuoma is taking

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Speaker 1: the week off from his job to celebrate his birthday,

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Speaker 1: according to CNN. Very interesting, now we are learning that

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Speaker 1: two of the top people at times up were also

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Speaker 1: happy to help counsel mister Cuomo. Now, if you aren't familiar,

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Speaker 1: times UP was found in the me Too era, supposedly

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01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: to help victims of sexual harassment and abuse, you may

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01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: remember times UP as the very same group that refused

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Speaker 1: to help Tara Reid when she was attempting to go

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Speaker 1: public with her own allegations against Joe Biden. Clearly, the

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01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: goal of protecting powerful democrats supersedes any need to mission,

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01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: But the most agreedious involvement in covering up Quomo's abusive

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Speaker 1: behavior appears to have come from Alfonso David Now David

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Speaker 1: is the president of the Human Rights Campaign, but previously

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Speaker 1: he was lead counsel for Governor Cuomo. Apparently he never

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01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: entirely gave up that job. According to the report, David

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Speaker 1: was central to the plot to smear Cuomo accuser Lindsay Boylin.

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Speaker 1: He provided a confidential file on Boylin to Cuomo aids,

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Speaker 1: he helped draft a never publish up ed intended to

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Speaker 1: attack her credibility. He even collaborated on a never executed

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01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: plot to secretly record both Boylin and another accuser. He

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Speaker 1: then worked to reach out to women who had worked

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Speaker 1: for Cuomo to help provide the governor with lady cover,

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Speaker 1: and even agreed to sign on to a public letter

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Speaker 1: attempting to discredit Boylan if the government governor needed him to.

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Speaker 1: So that is disgraceful behavior for anyone, but especially for

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Speaker 1: the leader of an organization that bills itself as a

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Speaker 1: progressive civil rights organization dedicated to social justice. Staff there

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Speaker 1: are reportedly furious. So on a leaked internal all hands

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01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: meaning HRC staffers berated David for his behavior. They called

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Speaker 1: on him repeatedly to resign. That tense meaning lasted nearly

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01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: an hour and a half not a single person defended him.

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Speaker 1: The very first question that meaning was a demand to know,

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Speaker 1: quote what did Alfonso David personally know about Governor Andrew

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Speaker 1: Cuomo's harassment of multiple women. One stafford told David he

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Speaker 1: was creating a toxic environment where partners can't trust us.

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Speaker 1: When are you resigning, they demanded to know. Another informed him, Alfonso,

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Speaker 1: we will band together and take this to the board

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Speaker 1: to request your resignation before asking are you willing to

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Speaker 1: take down our org with you now? For his part,

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Speaker 1: David was unflappable, smoothly brushing off in deflecting questions. Like

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Speaker 1: the highly trained lawyer that he is. He insisted he

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Speaker 1: did nothing wrong. He informed the staff that rather than resigned,

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Speaker 1: the best way to protect the HRC brand was quote

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Speaker 1: to highlight how harassment and discriminatory behavior hides in the

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Speaker 1: darkness and how my experience can actually be used to

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01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: affect change. A bunch of words which when taken together,

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Speaker 1: mean literally nothing. But apparently David is right to be confident.

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Speaker 1: While the rank and file might be pissed off, the

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Speaker 1: board is fully behind him. On the very day the

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Speaker 1: report was released, they signed him to another five year

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Speaker 1: contract as leader of that organization. The wealthy and well

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Speaker 1: connected board also released a statement proclaiming the Human Rights

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Speaker 1: Campaign and Human Rights Campaign Foundation boards have full confidence

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Speaker 1: in Alfonso David as president of the organization. I feel

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01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: bad for the HRC staffers who appear to have sincerely

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01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: believed they were working for a progressive civil rights organization,

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01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: But based on HRC's track record, this protection of Cuomo

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01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:59,839
Speaker 1: and of Alfonso David are not even a little bit surprising.

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Speaker 1: After all, this is an organization that backed Hillary over

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Speaker 1: Bernie in twenty sixteen, in spite of the fact that

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01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:09,679
Speaker 1: Bernie had been supporting gay marriage for literally decades, long

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Speaker 1: before it was remotely palatable inside Democratic politics. They backed

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Speaker 1: Congressman Richie Neil, a top ally of Big Pharma, in

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Speaker 1: his primary fight against Holyoak mayor Alex Morse. Neil, he

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Speaker 1: has worked hand in glove with Farma to keep drug

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Speaker 1: costs high, something plenty of gay and trans people would

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Speaker 1: be significantly impacted by. Alex Morse, on the other hand,

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Speaker 1: was not only immeasurably better on the issues, but also

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Speaker 1: happened to be gay. HRC then stayed completely silent as

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Speaker 1: Neil's Democratic allies launch a homophobic smear campaign against Morse

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Speaker 1: that ultimately cost him that race. Human rights campaign is

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Speaker 1: also an organization that casually puts out corporate scorecards that

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Speaker 1: award companies like Lockheed Martin with perfect scores for their

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01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: commitment to equality. It is literally that meme come to life,

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01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 1: cool to build bombs and kill brown people so long

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01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: as the drone operator is trans I guess. In other words,

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01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: HRC is a wholly captured entity dedicated to preserving power

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01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: for corporate Democrats, cloaked in the trappings of progressive identity politics,

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01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: and in that they are completely typical. In fact, show

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Speaker 1: me an activist organization devoted solely to identity issues with

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01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: no economic or labor mission that threatens the status quo,

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01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 1: and I will show you an organization that is solely

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01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: a vehicle for protecting power. I means, i'mlisless supposedly about

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Speaker 1: electing more women. Basically, the ladies arm of the DNC

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Speaker 1: planned parenthood. They jumped into presidential politics for the first

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Speaker 1: time in one hundred years in order to bolster Hillary

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Speaker 1: Clinton against Bernie Sanders, even though obviously Medicare for All

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01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: would guarantee healthcare access for all women, something they supposedly

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01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: care about it. All goes to prove an extremely important

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01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: point the type of hollow identity politics exemplified by these

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Speaker 1: organizations and led by operators like Alfonso David. They are

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Speaker 1: not just ineffectual, they are actually dangerous. Whatever their initial

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01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: good intentions, they are ultimately captured by corporate interests and

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Speaker 1: democratic elites. Their veneer of progressive politics is used as

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Speaker 1: a shield for powerful, abusive men like Andrew Cuomo, and

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01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: used as a trojan horse for the kind of regressive

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01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 1: politics that is left working class people of every race,

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01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: gender and orientation crushed in a new Gilded Age. When

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Speaker 1: the chips were down, Times Up and human rights campaign,

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01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 1: they chose covering for power over rights, equality or anything

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01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: approaching progressive politics, because whatever pretty language they might put

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01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 1: on their website, covering for power is their true core mission.

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Speaker 1: This whole thing, Kyle to me so incredibly revealing. One

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Speaker 1: more thing, I promise, just wanted to make sure you

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Speaker 1: knew about my podcast with Kyle Kolinski. It's called Crystal,

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Speaker 1: Kyle and Friends, where we do long form interviews with

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Speaker 1: people like Noam Chomsky, Cornell West, and Glenn Greenwald. You

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Speaker 1: can listen on any podcast platform, or you can subscribe

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Speaker 1: We're gonna stop bugging you now enjoy, all right, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: what are you looking at? So? On a recent episode

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Speaker 1: of Joe Rogan's podcast, he had on Black Rifle Coffee

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Speaker 1: company CEO and founder Evan Hayfer. The New York Times

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Speaker 1: describes Hafer's company as a quote Starbucks of the right.

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01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: It's a veteran owned company. And they also described themselves

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Speaker 1: as pro military, pro firearm, pro law enforcement, and I

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01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: like this one anti hipster. But that didn't stop the

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Speaker 1: far right from canceling Hayfer over his denunciation of extremist

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Speaker 1: elements on the right, namely Kyle Rittenhouse. He denounced, he

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01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: denounced racism and racists, he denounced anti Semites, and one

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Speaker 1: of the people who stormed the Capitol on January sixth

1449
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Speaker 1: was actually wearing a black rifle hat, and it was

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01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: the guy who had zip ties, so Hayfer denounced him

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01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 1: as well. Hayfer said, quote, it's such a repugnant group

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Speaker 1: of people. It's like the worst of American society. And

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01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: I got to flush the toilet on some of those

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01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: people that kind of hijacked portions of the brand. The

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01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: racism really pisses me off. I hate racist, proud boyish

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01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 1: people like I'll pay them to leave my customer base.

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01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,640
Speaker 1: I would gladly chop all of those people out of

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Speaker 1: my fucking customer database and pay them to get the

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01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 1: fuck out. Now, this seems relatively benign because he was

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01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:25,680
Speaker 1: clear about who he was denouncing, but PJ Media, Andy No,

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01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: Kurt Schlichter, Nick Fuentes, and many other prominent voices on

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Speaker 1: the right responded by canceling him and labeling him a

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01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: quote grifter. So Joe Rogan had him on and Rogan

1464
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 1: said the following quote. It was so weird to see

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01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: cancel culture come from the right. I didn't know it

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01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 1: worked that way. I didn't know you fucking idiots would

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01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 1: do the same shit. It was the weirdest dog pile

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01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: I've ever watched. When people were attacking you, I got

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01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 1: but hurt. I was like, come on, Evan, get the

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Speaker 1: fuck out of here. So now I want to go

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Speaker 1: ahead and give everybody a history lesson of light wing

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Speaker 1: political correctness and cancel culture, because Joe Rogan is right,

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01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: and I'm about to give you many examples of how

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01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: it's as real as a heart attack, and it's just

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01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 1: as prominent, maybe if not more so, on the right

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Speaker 1: than it is on the left. So the Dixie Chicks

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Speaker 1: were blacklisted by thousands of country radio stations and they

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Speaker 1: got death threats all because they dare to say that

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01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 1: they were ashamed. George W. Bush was from Texas in

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01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: the lead up to the Iraq War. They were angry

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01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: over the war. They made that point, and they were

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01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: canceled as a result of it. By the way, that

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01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: sounds very similar to something that Donald Trump would have

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01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: said in the primary that he ended up winning. On

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01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 1: the Republican side. Franklin Graham in twenty fifteen called for

1486
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: boycotts of every single pro gay business to quote fight

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01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 1: the tide of moral decay that is being crammed down

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01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: our throats by big business, the media, and the gay

1489
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 1: and lesbian community. Recent example, Pete Davidson was forced to

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01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: apologize after joking about GOP representative Dan Crenshaw on SNL.

1491
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: He said the following quote, this guy's kind of cool.

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01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 1: You may be surprised to hear he's a congressional candidate

1493
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: from Texas and not a hitman. In a porno movie.

1494
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I know he lost his eye in war whatever. Now,

1495
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,839
Speaker 1: does anybody actually think he's in favor of Dan Crenshaw

1496
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 1: losing the eye. No, but he made a joke and

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01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: for that he was canceled. Conservatives wined so hard about

1498
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 1: a movie called The Hunt that they got it pulled

1499
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: by Universal. The movie is about hunting deplorables, but it

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01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 1: was originally called Red State versus Blue State, and in

1501
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 1: the movie this fact escaped the right. The deplorables were

1502
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: actually the good guys. Sasha Baron Cohen was sued by

1503
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 1: Roy Moore over a joke. Sasha Baron Cohen used a

1504
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 1: fake pedophile detector on Moore and it started beeping. And

1505
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: Roy Moore was so triggered by that, because he's a snowflake,

1506
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: that he took Sasha Baron Cohen to court and he

1507
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 1: was basically laughed out of the courtroom. Emily Wilder, another

1508
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 1: recent example, was fired by the AP for pro Palestine

1509
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: activism in college when Kaepernick is the classic example. He

1510
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 1: lost a job in the NFL largely because he kneeled

1511
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 1: in peaceful protest. Candace Owens was recently outraged over Ken

1512
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 1: Klippenstein trolling Republicans. He's good trolling Republicans to retweet a

1513
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:21,719
Speaker 1: picture of Lee Harvey Oswald with glowing praise again a joke.

1514
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 1: Tommy Lauren and the conservative establishment wanted Michelle Wolf the

1515
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 1: comedian punished for quote crossing the line after she made

1516
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: fun of the powerful and the elites at the White

1517
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 1: House correspondence dinner. Gwen Berry turned away from the flag,

1518
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: and conservatives wanted her kicked off of the Olympics team.

1519
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: Littl naz X and his Satan shoes. This is another

1520
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 1: very recent example. You had a Republican governors calling for

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01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: him to literally be quote canceled. And this is a governor,

1522
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 1: by the way, in North Dakota who prides herself on

1523
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 1: being anti cancel culture. Ben and Jerry's wanted to stop

1524
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 1: selling their ice cream in the illegally occupied territories, and

1525
01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:00,679
Speaker 1: Republican politicians called for banning it completely and of course

1526
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:04,879
Speaker 1: called Ben and Jerry anti semites. Some Conservative House candidates

1527
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 1: called for banning Cardi b and Meghan the Stallion over

1528
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 1: the song wap and Ben Shapiro gave us some gold

1529
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 1: on that front of small pornstar Brandy Love was kicked

1530
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: out of Seapack for being a porn star. Even on

1531
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: social media, where normally people think it's only the right

1532
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: that gets backlash, turns out Chapo Traphouse was banned on Reddit.

1533
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 1: Large Antifa accounts were banned on Twitter for quote I'm sorry.

1534
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 1: Chapo Traphouse was banned for quote consistently hosting rule breaking

1535
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:37,839
Speaker 1: content whatever that means, and promoting hate. Large Antifa accounts

1536
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 1: were banned on Twitter. Countless left wing outlets outlets like

1537
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 1: truth Out, Black Agenda Report, truth Dig, and Naked Capitalism

1538
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 1: were de ranked in the Google algorithm after being put

1539
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: on a shady, proper not blacklist. Then, of course, there's

1540
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 1: the patron saint of political incorrectness himself, Donald Trump. Trump

1541
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: called for banning burning the American flag, and he wanted

1542
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 1: to punish it with up to a year in jail.

1543
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 1: By the way, wildly unconstitutional and against the First Amendment

1544
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: free speech. Trump said he supports quote opening up the

1545
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 1: libel laws in this country just like England again, restricting speech.

1546
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 1: Trump threatened to sue Bill Maher over a joke where

1547
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: he was compared twin Oranguzan. Suing over a joke sounds

1548
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 1: pretty much like cancel culture. Now, finally, I want to

1549
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 1: talk about the laws here because this is the biggest

1550
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: point when cancel culture becomes the law. So in Graham,

1551
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 1: North Carolina, they banned protests to protect Confederate monuments. Nine

1552
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 1: states have introduced fourteen anti protest bills, ranging from barring

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01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 1: demonstrators from public benefits, barring them from government jobs, and

1554
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: offering legal protections to those who shoot or run over protesters.

1555
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 1: This is real in a number of states. We also

1556
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 1: have ANTIBDS laws the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement against Israel,

1557
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 1: which is to try to bring about Palestinian human rights

1558
01:18:57,680 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 1: there with the same tactics that worked in apartheid South

1559
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: affric ANTIBDS laws are in twenty six states. Twenty six states,

1560
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: that's where the laws are enacted, and in thirteen they're pending.

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01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: Some of these proposals, by the way, would allow protesters

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01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 1: to be held without bail, which again is wildly unconstitutional.

1563
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: So here's the conclusion, guys, overall, if you're going to

1564
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 1: embrace political incorrectness for the love of God, embrace it

1565
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 1: across the board. Just like Noam Chomsky said, if you

1566
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 1: don't believe in freedom of speech, for those you despise

1567
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,600
Speaker 1: the most. You don't believe in it at all. And

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01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 1: for the left, I'd say this, you can admit when

1569
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 1: your side goes too far, if there's joke policing or

1570
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: banning speakers on college campuses, you can and should denounce that.

1571
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 1: The real left wing position shouldn't be that cancel culture

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01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 1: and political correctness isn't real. It should be that it

1573
01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 1: is real, and where even more against it than you are.

1574
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 1: And the culture war has a unique ability to turn

1575
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: people into moronic hypocrites flipping on their stated principles. So

1576
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: I beg of you just be self aware enough to

1577
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 1: avoid that. So, Crystal, these are my thoughts on right

1578
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 1: wing cancel culture. You know, it's one of those things

1579
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: where very excited to have with us today. Kim Kelly,

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01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 1: she's independent journalist doing incredible work labor reporting. She's been

1581
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 1: on the ground from the beginning covering that coal miner

1582
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 1: strike that no one effectively was covering the mainstream present

1583
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: but very very recently. We're going to get to that

1584
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: in a moment. She is also writing a book that

1585
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: you're definitely going to want to get. It's called Fight

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01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 1: Like Hell, The Untold History of American Labor. Great to

1587
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 1: see Kim, good morning, Great to be back. So we

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Speaker 1: wanted to start with Richard Trumka passed away suddenly, very unexpectedly.

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01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: I think he was seventy two years old. He's the

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01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 1: president of AFLCIO. Came up through the mine Workers' Union,

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01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: just talk a little bit about his life, his legacy,

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01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 1: his death, and what you think is going to come

1593
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 1: next at the AFL right. I mean, this was a

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01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 1: massive shock that he was not a young man, but

1595
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 1: not necessarily and we think it was an old man.

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01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: I remember getting the news because I have some friends

1597
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 1: who worked there, start getting these text messages like oh

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01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 1: my god, oh my god, like whoa, Okay. I wasn't

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01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 1: expecting that, because you know, you mentioned the minor strike

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01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: in Alabama. I was just down there on the fourth

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01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: and they had a big rally and Richard Trumpka, he

1602
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 1: had initially wanted to be there, but I think he

1603
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 1: had his grandson's birthday, a family thing, so he sent

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01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 1: a video message. And so he sent a big video

1605
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: message that was played on a big screen of expressing

1606
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 1: support and soluarity to these workers, and that ended up

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01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:45,560
Speaker 1: being his final public remarks to a big group of

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01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 1: striking mine workers and their supporters and better of the

1609
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 1: Pittston strike, which was kind of his claim to game

1610
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 1: back when he was super involved with the mineworkers before

1611
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 1: he assended to leadership at AFL CIO. And that, I mean,

1612
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: that really struck me. I think he was he's a

1613
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:04,759
Speaker 1: complicated man with a complicated legacy, but that really stuck

1614
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 1: with me, even as someone who's been critical in the

1615
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 1: past of things that your positions, he's taken things of

1616
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 1: that nature. But just seeing, you know, your last sort

1617
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:18,679
Speaker 1: of official appearance before you die is supporting your brothers

1618
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 1: and sisters from back before no one knew who you were,

1619
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 1: like that just that hit me, you know. And now

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01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: we're looking at an interesting couple of years because we

1621
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: have liv Schuler the Secretary treasure of the AFL CO.

1622
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 1: She's now the acting president. And the thing is the

1623
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 1: AFL SAO is meant to be having a convention next

1624
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,520
Speaker 1: year and that's when they were going to officially determine

1625
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 1: Trunk his replacement, and there's been kind of some some

1626
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 1: ruvers and some politicking about multiple people who wanted that job.

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01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 1: And so now I think that's going to be much

1628
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:54,560
Speaker 1: more interesting to see because Liz is already there, and

1629
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: I think there might be some shakeups. But regardless, I think,

1630
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 1: you know, we lost as a lot of the people

1631
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 1: who eulogized and and said we lost a line of labor,

1632
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 1: and this is going to be deeply felt. I mean

1633
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 1: even the President was crying about it like he's He

1634
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 1: was a big man that made a big impact, and

1635
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 1: I think the next era of labor is going to

1636
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 1: hopefully build upon the good things that he did and

1637
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 1: work on the less than stellar things, in my opinion,

1638
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: that he stood for. So, Kim, let's talk a little

1639
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 1: bit about Warrior met and Black Rock. Uh hundred miners

1640
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 1: were on strike for four months and there was quite

1641
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 1: literally zero cable news coverage. There were some print outlets

1642
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 1: that covered it, there were some independent outlets that covered it.

1643
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 1: Prahats are including myself. I was one of the people

1644
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 1: who jumped on as soon as I learned about it,

1645
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 1: But you know, shame on me for because it took

1646
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 1: three and a half months for me to learn about it,

1647
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: which is, you know, speaks to just how buried this

1648
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 1: thing has been. What do you make of the media coverage? Uptick?

1649
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 1: Is there an uptick? First? Of all, and then if

1650
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: there is, do you think the coverage has been fair?

1651
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 1: I think we've been fine. Like you said, seeing an increase.

1652
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 1: I think that really that goes back to them showing

1653
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 1: up in New York in front of Black Rock, because

1654
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: I mean, to be frank, it was just a lot

1655
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: easier for media people to show up. It's a lot

1656
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 1: easier to get to my hand than it is to

1657
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 1: get more Alabama and especially you know there's a pandemic

1658
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 1: going on. I understand people not wanting to travel. I

1659
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 1: don't necessarily understand the not wanting to pick up a phone,

1660
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,679
Speaker 1: but that's on them. I'm really glad people are paying

1661
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 1: attention now and I think we've had you know, obviously,

1662
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 1: the ABC News piece I just came out, that was huge,

1663
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:40,600
Speaker 1: and that was the first national TV news segment, like

1664
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 1: of we're a month five five and that's the first one.

1665
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 1: But you know, better late than ever is very much

1666
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 1: a thing. I did really appreciate the way that they

1667
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,599
Speaker 1: put that together. I kind of worked a little bit

1668
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 1: with them behind the scenes. They called me up a

1669
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago and I kind of like I

1670
01:24:57,920 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 1: did an interview with them, and I gave them a

1671
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 1: whole bunch of background that kind of pointed them in

1672
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 1: some directions. Obviously that they did most of the work,

1673
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 1: but I'm glad that they listened to this, you know,

1674
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 1: independent reporter who's been on it for a while, and

1675
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 1: I think they did a good job. And I'm really

1676
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: hoping that that'll kind of be the breaking point and

1677
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: more news organizations be like, oh Okay, well they covered it.

1678
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 1: Maybe that's legitimizing this a little bit. Maybe we need

1679
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: to show up because I mean, we're it's August right now,

1680
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 1: it's August ninth, that we are well into their fifth

1681
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: month on strike. They are not going anywhere, you know,

1682
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 1: they're already planning their Christmas toy drive. Like even if

1683
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 1: even if someone is looking at this and it's like,

1684
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 1: oh am I too late? Am I little? You know?

1685
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,759
Speaker 1: You know, did I miss my opportunity? No you didn't

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01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 1: write about it, call them, show up to a rally

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01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 1: like this still matters and it's going to continue to matter,

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01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: Like it's only this is really only the beginning in

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01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,799
Speaker 1: a way, you know, like as some of the workers

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01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: mentioned in the ABC News piece, like we didn't expect

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01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:03,879
Speaker 1: to be out here this long, but we're not going anywhere.

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01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 1: And capefully you're interviewed in the piece. You do a

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01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 1: great job. Now that you mentioned it, I can definitely

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01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 1: see your sort of hidden hand and voice encouraging them

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01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:16,759
Speaker 1: in certain directions. And the piece, we have a little

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01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: clip of it of one of the workers just explaining

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01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 1: what he has given to this company and to this mind.

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01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to that. Chris Laurie says, the

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01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 1: workers kept the minor float for years. I give you

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01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 1: my youth, I've give you my time. I've worked six

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01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 1: days of weak for the last seventeen years. You bought

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01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:39,640
Speaker 1: a coal mine, you bought an underground coal mine. You

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01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 1: knew what the wages were when you bought it. We

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01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 1: saved this coal mine. This ain't the first time we've

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01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,560
Speaker 1: saved it. We've saved it from fires, We've saved it

1706
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 1: from explosions, We've saved it from a lot of things.

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01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 1: Coal Mining is one of the most dangerous professions in

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01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 1: the country. In two thousand and one, the number five mine,

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01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 1: Brookwood exploded, killing thirteen. Yeah, these are the gaseest mines

1710
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 1: in North America. You have gas, you have water. A

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01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: lot of the working areas is knee deep in water.

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01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: It's a difficult job not to mention the dust. You

1713
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 1: have more dust, you know, around the working face, because

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01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:22,839
Speaker 1: that's where you're cutting the rock and the coal. According

1715
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: to the CDC, rates of black lungk have more than

1716
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 1: doubled over the past fifteen years. The workers we spoke

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01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,839
Speaker 1: to say Warrior Medical provides them with eighty percent coverage

1718
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 1: of medical fees they used to receive one hundred percent

1719
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 1: and ken One of the things that struck me in

1720
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 1: watching this piece, which I think was well done, was

1721
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 1: about nine minutes long, and provided some really important facts

1722
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 1: for people about unions, about how unions lead to increase pay,

1723
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 1: a lot of struggles, about the struggles of these workers

1724
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 1: in particular. But it really struck me if, like, you know,

1725
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: our union muscles have atrophied so greatly in this country

1726
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 1: that even to do a story like this you have

1727
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: to really remind people like what a union is and

1728
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 1: why people join a union, and what labor militancy looks like,

1729
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: and why you'd be on strike and why you'd be

1730
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 1: willing to do this for so long, and what solidarity is.

1731
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,879
Speaker 1: There's just so little coverage. I remember when Stephen Greenhouse

1732
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 1: took a buy out at the New York Times. He's

1733
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 1: now back as a reporter there, but it left the

1734
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal as the only major paper in the

1735
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 1: entire country that even had a labor reporter. So that's

1736
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 1: one of the struggles of covering this story is that

1737
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:35,839
Speaker 1: there's so little public understanding left of what labor movements

1738
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 1: actually are and what they mean and why they're important,

1739
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 1: that you have to kind of build the story from

1740
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 1: the ground up. Yeah, I mean we don't learn about

1741
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 1: it in school. I only knew about it a little

1742
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 1: bit because I'm from a union family, and that's a

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01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 1: privilege to this point, Like you said, union density is

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01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 1: down so far. But one thing I will say is

1745
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 1: that I think we're in kind of a renewed period

1746
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:03,560
Speaker 1: of interest in labor reporting, labor news and labor struggles,

1747
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 1: like even since before the pandemic and we started having

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01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 1: the essential work or discourse. There are a lot of younger,

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01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:12,720
Speaker 1: more diverse labor reporters out there that I think are

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01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 1: doing a good job. You know, Greenhouse is still out here,

1751
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:18,680
Speaker 1: he's the OG, but we also have a lot of

1752
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 1: younger writers with a lot of different perspectives who are

1753
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:24,639
Speaker 1: covering this beat, who are really devoted to this beat.

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01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,600
Speaker 1: And I do like to attribute that in part to

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01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 1: the organizing wave that we saw in digital media from

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01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:32,640
Speaker 1: the Writers Guild of America East, my Union, and the

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01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 1: News Guild that kind of kicked off in around twenty

1758
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 1: fifteen with Gawker and Vice where I used to work.

1759
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 1: Like the fact that we organized so many digital media

1760
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:46,679
Speaker 1: shops meant that a lot of digital media journalists learned

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01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 1: about unions, and they bargained a contract and they started

1762
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:51,640
Speaker 1: to understand why this was so important when maybe they

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01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 1: hadn't had that exploded previously. And the digital media industry

1764
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 1: being what it is, most of us get laid off

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01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: all the time. And so every time that happens, all

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01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 1: of these labor conscious, pro union people are sort of

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01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 1: disseminated throughout the industry again like dandelion seeds, and some

1768
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 1: end up at new publications bring that perspective and hopefully

1769
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:15,639
Speaker 1: they unionize it. So really this whole there's a whole

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01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 1: new generation of people who are pro union, who care

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01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:20,599
Speaker 1: about unions, and who want everyone else to know how

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01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 1: awesome unions are. And we keep getting fired, so we

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01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 1: keep ending up in different publications. That's a really interesting point. So, Kim,

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01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 1: I read in the Media Matters piece on this that

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01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: hedge funds actually increased investment in Warrior Met when they

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01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 1: saw that there was like no media coverage about it.

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01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:45,679
Speaker 1: So of course Warrior Met cut pay cut benefits, weaken

1778
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 1: safety measures, and they've been accused of unfair labor practices

1779
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 1: time time again. Do you have any knowledge on that.

1780
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 1: Is it true that hedge funds actually increased investment in

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01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 1: Warrior Met when they saw that the media wasn't touching it?

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01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 1: You know, I would believe Media Matters if they were.

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01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard that specifically, but it wouldn't surprise me because,

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01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:07,600
Speaker 1: you know what, it makes sense because hedge funds are

1785
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 1: evil and if they see that this is happening and

1786
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 1: no one is paying attention, like oh, we can get

1787
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 1: away with something else, because they're always trying to get

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01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 1: away with something And so that just illustrates why it's

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01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:20,639
Speaker 1: so important that people, regular people and media are paying

1790
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 1: attention to this strike, because we don't want these you know,

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01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 1: explortive deleted to get away with this. Yeah. I think

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01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 1: that's really well, I said. And last, Kim, you know,

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01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 1: what are the updates from the strike, What are their hopes,

1794
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 1: what are their expectations about how long it's gonna last,

1795
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 1: and what are the tactics. What's the latest with the

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01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 1: tactics the company's employing. Well, thankfully, I haven't heard of

1797
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 1: any new attacks, so that's good. That's a good week.

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01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 1: But you know, they're down there, digging in. They are,

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01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 1: like I mentioned the women of the auxiliary, they're starting

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01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 1: to plan for Christmas. They're expecting this to be a

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01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 1: long fight. You know, some of the workers and some

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01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:03,120
Speaker 1: of their spouses have been finding side jobs to supplement

1803
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:06,719
Speaker 1: their strike checks. Like they're trying to make this work, basically.

1804
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:09,479
Speaker 1: And the big rally that they just had in Brookwood,

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01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:11,839
Speaker 1: which had thousands of union members from across the country,

1806
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 1: from multiple unions, not even just theirs, come out to

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01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 1: support them, I think that was a big boost. And honestly,

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01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you I saw something there that kind of

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01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 1: illustrated exactly their attitude going forward. There's a lot of

1810
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 1: people signing these sheets of paper saying that they were

1811
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 1: willing to come back and get arrested if they needed to,

1812
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 1: for blocking the mindset, whatever else might be planned. And

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01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 1: I have a feeling this is not going to be

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01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:41,719
Speaker 1: the last we hear of that, So watch out Warrior Matt.

1815
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 1: All right, stay tuned. As they say, Kim, I know

1816
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 1: you were trying to get your book written and you're

1817
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 1: like you've sequested yourself to focus on writing. So we

1818
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 1: really are super extra grateful for your time. Thank you

1819
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 1: so much. Oh, thank you so much for having me

1820
01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 1: the best our pleasure. All right, guys, and thank you

1821
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 1: so much for watching. Thank you Kyle for hosting. Kyle

1822
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:05,040
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