WEBVTT - S01 Episode 7: Ghosts in Time

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<v Speaker 1>For all the many elements that constitute the paranormal, there

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<v Speaker 1>are a few things quite as evocative as the ghost,

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<v Speaker 1>equally capable of scaring as senseless as they are of

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<v Speaker 1>inflicting us with the deepest of melancholies, the ghost holds

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<v Speaker 1>a unique place in the world of the supernatural. There are,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, the ghosts that we carry with us in

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<v Speaker 1>our daily lives, memories of those we have loved and lost,

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<v Speaker 1>or perhaps even wronged, thoughts that sit in the deepest

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<v Speaker 1>part of the psyche, straining to become manifest. Perhaps the

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<v Speaker 1>most famous of all ghosts is that of Shakespeare's Banquet.

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<v Speaker 1>As he appears to the tormented mind of Macbeth. We

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<v Speaker 1>know him not as an actual spirit, but rather he

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<v Speaker 1>is the consequence of Macbeth's mental capitulation. But what of

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<v Speaker 1>the apparitions that seem not to have been brought forth

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<v Speaker 1>from the psyche, Those that have no connection to the observer,

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<v Speaker 1>but instead seem, for all the world to be reaching

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<v Speaker 1>out to us from a seemingly timeless space. You're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to unexplained, and I'm rich McClain smith. For some to

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<v Speaker 1>witness a ghost, particularly that of a relative, might bring

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<v Speaker 1>a certain comfort, the reassuring sense of a life beyond death.

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<v Speaker 1>But for the cultures of the ancient world, there was

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<v Speaker 1>little doubting the portentous nature of such a sighting. If

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<v Speaker 1>by chance, you ever find yourself walking along the banks

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<v Speaker 1>of the Tigris around the year four thousand BC, and

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<v Speaker 1>happened to come across the spirit of a recently deceased

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<v Speaker 1>family member, it could surely mean only one thing. For

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<v Speaker 1>the Sumerians, death was an act from which there was

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<v Speaker 1>no return. Rather, souls were left to dwell in a

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<v Speaker 1>place called Kur, otherwise known as the Land of no Return,

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<v Speaker 1>a place where all men and women were equal, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter how rich or poor, and there they would remain

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<v Speaker 1>in a dreary darkness, all watched over by Irish Kigal,

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<v Speaker 1>the dark queen of the underworld. For a relative to

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<v Speaker 1>return from such a place would speak of something unsettled,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps a body not properly buried, lost at sea or

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<v Speaker 1>abandoned on the battlefield, or even a suspicious death that

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<v Speaker 1>needed in some way to be rectified. Often a ghost

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<v Speaker 1>or apparition will be said to be linked to a

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<v Speaker 1>particular place. For those of us in the UK, there

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<v Speaker 1>are many not least their respective tourist boards that would

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<v Speaker 1>suggest the Great Tower of London or Edinburgh Castle as

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<v Speaker 1>the country's most haunted destinations. However, thanks largely to the

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<v Speaker 1>controversial and self styled psychic investigator Harry Price, there is

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<v Speaker 1>one place that has risen above all others in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of the British ghost hunt. The full story of

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<v Speaker 1>the place in question has drawn much criticism over the

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<v Speaker 1>years due to the association with Price, and so it

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<v Speaker 1>is to a time before Price's involvement that we will

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<v Speaker 1>be going, and for that we will be heading to.

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<v Speaker 1>Nineteen twenty eight the place Balley Rectory in Essex, routinely

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<v Speaker 1>described as the most haunted house in England. Just what

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<v Speaker 1>exactly took place there in the early part of the

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth century has never been fully accounted for. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a mystery that remains to this day unexplained. The Essex

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<v Speaker 1>hamlet of Barley lies close to the border of Suffolk

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<v Speaker 1>in the southeast of England. Aside from the rectory, it

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<v Speaker 1>is perhaps best known for its church. Originally built in

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<v Speaker 1>the twelfth century. It houses within it the tomb of

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<v Speaker 1>Sir Edward waldergrave supporter of Mary, Queen of Scots and

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<v Speaker 1>one of the many victims of the Great Tower of London.

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<v Speaker 1>After upsetting Elizabeth, the first Sir Edward was banished to

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<v Speaker 1>the Tower in fifteen fifty eight, where he would die

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<v Speaker 1>three years later. The Rectory was built in eighteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>three by the Reverend Henry Dawson Ellis, who lived there

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<v Speaker 1>with his wife and twelve children. Looking at old photographs

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<v Speaker 1>of the house, it is no exaggeration to describe it

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<v Speaker 1>as a place of intense atmosphere. Designed in a Neo

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<v Speaker 1>Gothic style, it was described as being built from red

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<v Speaker 1>brick and stone. The doors thick and heavy, with some

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<v Speaker 1>of the windows iron barred, giving parts of the house

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<v Speaker 1>a rather prison like appearance, and despite the relative vastness

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<v Speaker 1>of the grounds, the house was almost entirely surrounded by trees,

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<v Speaker 1>shrouding most of the property in an ever present shadow.

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<v Speaker 1>With Henry having passed away in eighteen ninety two and

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<v Speaker 1>then later his son Harry in nineteen twenty two, the

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<v Speaker 1>house was effectively abandoned and left to fall into disrepair.

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<v Speaker 1>Over time, the gloomy red brick Rectory succumbed inevitably to

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<v Speaker 1>the ravages of nature. The garden was left to grow wild,

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<v Speaker 1>all but reclaiming the house as its own. The pipes

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<v Speaker 1>rusted as rats took up residency in the walls and

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<v Speaker 1>under the floorboards, and as the frequent rains lashed down

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<v Speaker 1>during one of the harshest of winters, the roof had

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<v Speaker 1>finally given way. Without regular use, the only water supply,

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<v Speaker 1>provided by a well, began to rot and grew stagnant,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the property remained until the summer of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight. After spending a number of years working as

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<v Speaker 1>a missionary in India, the Reverend guy Eric Smith and

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<v Speaker 1>his wife Mabel had decided to return to their homeland.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the opportunity came up to take on the

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<v Speaker 1>rectory at Bawley, it seemed almost too good to be true.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, the quiet ideal of a small English country

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<v Speaker 1>village was exactly what they had been yearning for. On

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<v Speaker 1>arriving at the property, the Smiths met with an immediate

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<v Speaker 1>sense of foreboding. It would seem they had been quite

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<v Speaker 1>unprepared for the extent of the disrepair. The surrounding trees

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<v Speaker 1>all but blocked out the sun entirely, and with the

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<v Speaker 1>condition of the roof and the dilapidated heating system. Only

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<v Speaker 1>a handful of the twenty three rooms were actually habitable. Undeterred,

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<v Speaker 1>the plucky couple moved in and set about transforming their

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<v Speaker 1>new home. What followed next, as later described by the Smiths,

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<v Speaker 1>would amount to nothing less than the darkest years of

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<v Speaker 1>a d s com slash Unexplained podcast. It began with footsteps,

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<v Speaker 1>a strange shuffling sound that seemed to drag itself about

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<v Speaker 1>the house, followed by strange studs and knocks. When the

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<v Speaker 1>Smiths attempted to move away into the other rooms, the

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<v Speaker 1>footsteps merely followed them. However, there was always one room,

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Blue Room, that seemed to generate the

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<v Speaker 1>most noise. Although a man of faith, the Reverend was

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<v Speaker 1>not about to succumb to the notion of ghosts in

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<v Speaker 1>his house. Convinced the footsteps must belong to an unwelcome

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<v Speaker 1>but very human visitor, the Reverend stayed up all night

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<v Speaker 1>with a hockey stick in an attempt to catch the

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<v Speaker 1>unwanted guest. Sure Enough, after waiting a few hours, the

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<v Speaker 1>sound of the footsteps could be heard out in the hallway,

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<v Speaker 1>getting closer before stopping outside his room. Much to his horror,

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<v Speaker 1>the steps then proceeded into the room, despite not having

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<v Speaker 1>a body to go with them. As the footsteps neared,

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<v Speaker 1>Reverend Smith swung the hockey stick wildly, but found only

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<v Speaker 1>the emptiness of thin air, as was common for many

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<v Speaker 1>buildings of such size, All twenty three rooms had been

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<v Speaker 1>rigged up to a bell system that linked back to

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<v Speaker 1>the servant quarters. Not long after the couple moved in,

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<v Speaker 1>the bells could be heard ringing throughout the house at

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<v Speaker 1>all hours of the night and day, the phenomena being

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<v Speaker 1>all the more extraordinary since not only were Guy and

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<v Speaker 1>Mabel Smith the only occupiers in the twenty three roomed house,

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<v Speaker 1>but most of the bell system had long since disintegrated.

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<v Speaker 1>One afternoon, Missus Smith decided to investigate the house's many

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<v Speaker 1>hidden nooks and crannies. On entering the library, she became

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<v Speaker 1>intrigued by a vast Victorian bookcase that stretched from one

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<v Speaker 1>wall to the other, with the bottom half separated into cupboards.

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<v Speaker 1>Examining the cupboards, Mabel came across a small round package. Slowly,

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<v Speaker 1>she started to unwrap the paper and was horrified to

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<v Speaker 1>find inside the skull of a young woman. Hoping that

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<v Speaker 1>in some way the skull had been linked to the disturbances,

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<v Speaker 1>the reverend had the skull buried in a nearby graveyard,

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<v Speaker 1>but was later forced to dig it up when the

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<v Speaker 1>strange incidences seemed only to intensify afterwards. Shortly after, the

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<v Speaker 1>couple began to notice that a light could often be

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<v Speaker 1>seen emanating from a far off room in the house

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<v Speaker 1>that was known to be empty and perhaps most unnerving

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<v Speaker 1>of all, one summer afternoon, where mister Smith was walking

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<v Speaker 1>through the house, he began to hear strange sounds, as

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<v Speaker 1>if someone was whispering over his head. He described the

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<v Speaker 1>noise as soft and sibilant, but spoken with urgency and

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<v Speaker 1>ending in muttering sounds. There was no doubting to the

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<v Speaker 1>reverend that it was the voice of a woman, But

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<v Speaker 1>even more was to come. Unable to look after the

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<v Speaker 1>rectory alone, the couple employed a young maid from London

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<v Speaker 1>to help out in the house. The maid had only

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<v Speaker 1>been working two days when she spotted something odd in

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<v Speaker 1>the garden. It was a young woman who appeared to

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<v Speaker 1>be dressed like a nun, walking across the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>the grounds. When her calls to the woman were ignored,

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<v Speaker 1>the maid approached the figure but was horrified to see

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<v Speaker 1>it melt away into the trees right before her eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>The following day, she handed in her notice and promptly

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<v Speaker 1>returned to London. By now it was clear to guiand

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<v Speaker 1>Mabel that something was clearly a miss. It was only

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<v Speaker 1>then that they learned the full truth about Balley Rectory.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only had the previous occupiers frequently spoken of strange

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<v Speaker 1>sightings and sounds heard about the house, but that as

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<v Speaker 1>many as twelve clergyman had turned down the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>take on the rectory prior to mister and missus Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>all of them too afraid to live in the famous

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<v Speaker 1>haunted house. And as for the Blue Room, which appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to be the source for most of the strange noises,

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<v Speaker 1>that was the place in which both previous owners had died.

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<v Speaker 1>At their wits end. The couple famously called in the

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<v Speaker 1>help of the Daily Mirror newspaper as well as the

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<v Speaker 1>Society for Psychical Research, and it is at this point

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<v Speaker 1>that Harry Price enters the scene. What happened next has

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<v Speaker 1>been the topic of intense speculation and often ridicule, as

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<v Speaker 1>many sought to profit from the unfortunate couple's extraordinary experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>For subsequent publicity only intensified the stress upon Mabel and George,

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<v Speaker 1>and the couple vacated the property in nineteen twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>moving to the relative serenity of the seaside town of

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<v Speaker 1>Cromer in Norfolk. And as for the house itself, it

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<v Speaker 1>was destroyed by fire under suspicious circumstances in nineteen thirty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>For a spooky and quietly menacing look at the subsequent

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<v Speaker 1>events involving the controversial Harry Price, I can recommend The

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<v Speaker 1>Ghost Hunters by Neil Spring to while away a few

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<v Speaker 1>sleepless nights. But for me it is the accounts of

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<v Speaker 1>the plainly innocent and reputable mister and Missus Smith, taken

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<v Speaker 1>before all the noise that followed, that is the most fascinating. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 1>they had no desire to profit from their ordeal, and

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<v Speaker 1>nor did they so what then exactly did they hear?

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<v Speaker 1>And in the case of the unfortunate maid from London

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<v Speaker 1>see On one dark December night in two thousand and two,

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<v Speaker 1>a phone call was placed to a police station in Surrey,

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<v Speaker 1>in the south of England. It was an anxious member

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<v Speaker 1>of the public calling to report a horrific car crash

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<v Speaker 1>that they had witnessed that night. Whilst traveling southbound along

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<v Speaker 1>the A three towards the town of Guildford. They had

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<v Speaker 1>seen a car lose control at high speed before spinning

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<v Speaker 1>violent off the road. Moments later, more calls were taken

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<v Speaker 1>from many different witnesses reporting the exact same thing. A

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<v Speaker 1>number of police were immediately dispatched and promptly arrived at

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<v Speaker 1>the scene. Only they couldn't find any trace of the incident.

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<v Speaker 1>That was until one officer, who had been searching the

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<v Speaker 1>nearby undergrowth, stumbled upon a smashed up maroon Vauxhall Astra,

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<v Speaker 1>nose down in a ditch, but something was off. Shining

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<v Speaker 1>his torch into the driver's side of the car, the

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<v Speaker 1>officer received a terrible Fright there, sat in his seat

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<v Speaker 1>was the driver of the vehicle, reduced to the bare

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<v Speaker 1>bones of his skeleton. The car had indeed spun off

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<v Speaker 1>the road, as reported, but it certainly hadn't happened that night.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the police later discovered that the driver of

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<v Speaker 1>the vehicle had been declared missing almost six months before.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it possible that, rather than seeing the actual moment

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<v Speaker 1>of the accident, the witnesses had in fact seemed kind

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<v Speaker 1>of echo of the event, or maybe something even stranger.

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<v Speaker 1>When we think of time, we tend to picture a

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<v Speaker 1>clock or a set of numbers with which to reference

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<v Speaker 1>our day. We may say that time is the aging

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<v Speaker 1>of things, or talk about the passing of time. We

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<v Speaker 1>see it in the revolutions of the earth or the

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<v Speaker 1>rising and setting of the sun. And yet this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>time in any meaningful sense, but rather how we frame

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<v Speaker 1>it in the absence of the actual thing itself. In

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<v Speaker 1>the mid nineteen sixties, John Wheeler and Bryce de Witt,

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<v Speaker 1>two physicists from Princeton and the University of North Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>came up with an extraordinary idea. Together, they had devised

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<v Speaker 1>no less than a possible framework to marry the seeming

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<v Speaker 1>incompatibility of Einstein's theories of relativity and the mechanations of

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<v Speaker 1>the quantum world. Now known as the Wheeler DeWitt equation,

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<v Speaker 1>its implications are staggering. What Wheeler and de Witt potentially

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<v Speaker 1>discovered was that the only way to make the two

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<v Speaker 1>worlds compatible was to do away completely with the notion

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<v Speaker 1>of time, that the fundamental description of the universe was

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<v Speaker 1>in fact timeless. If such a thing were to be true,

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<v Speaker 1>you might rightly assume that the past, present, and future

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<v Speaker 1>is nothing but an illusion. That the only thing that

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<v Speaker 1>is real is the whole of it, existing constantly. As

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<v Speaker 1>one might, it be possible that the ghosts of Ballyrectory,

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<v Speaker 1>and perhaps all ghosts for that matter, rather than being

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<v Speaker 1>the spirits of the dead, are in fact the bodies

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<v Speaker 1>of the very much alive, existing alongsiders in another time. Perhaps,

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<v Speaker 1>if we were so blessed, we might imagine ourselves like

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<v Speaker 1>Kurt Vonnegut's fictional characters, the Trialphamadurians, creatures who have evolved

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to see it's only the present, but

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<v Speaker 1>the entirety of everything that has been and will ever be.

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<v Speaker 1>In a quote tentatively attributed to the Australian author Christina Stead,

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<v Speaker 1>it is said that every love story is a ghost story.

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<v Speaker 1>But might it be more correct to say that every

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<v Speaker 1>story is a ghost story? That every tale we tell

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<v Speaker 1>is something that has once passed, yet somehow remains. And

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<v Speaker 1>isn't all of life really just a story that we

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<v Speaker 1>tell each other, whether it be shared by memory or

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<v Speaker 1>through the very genetic imprint of our blood. And when

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<v Speaker 1>or if all stories were to finally disappear, we might

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<v Speaker 1>hope that somewhere still a ghostly imprint will remain. But

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<v Speaker 1>if indeed there is no such thing as time, and

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<v Speaker 1>nothing ever truly dies, then really there would be no

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