1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Everybody, Welcome into a Wednesday, a Nation 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: of Texans All Access from the Hounday Texans Radio Studio. 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: I am your host, John Harris, Glad to be with 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: you this evening. We got plenty for you. We're gonna 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: hear from Nick Cassario, are exclusive one on one that 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: we do each and every week with Nick. We'll have 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: that for you a little bit later in this segment. 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: But let me tell you what else is on the show. 9 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: DBCIT is gonna go behind enemy sidelines with Marcel Louis Jacques, 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: who covers the Miami Dolphins for ESPN dot Com. We'll 11 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: have a little bit of in the Lab with myself 12 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: and Drew Dory talking about rookies not named Davis Mills. 13 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 1: Then it's men behind the Mikes. Mark Vanimuir catches up 14 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: with a good friend of his from Miami, Joe Rose, Color, 15 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: analyst for the Miami Dolphins. And then a little bit 16 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: of Wednesday Where are they now with a good friend 17 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: of mine, good friend of Dr Doherty's, Joel Dreeson just 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: went into the Colorado State Hall of Fame. That was 19 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: very very cool for Joel to go into the Hall 20 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: of Fame. Very proud of what he was able to 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: do with the Rams, with the Texans, the Rams, Colorado 22 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: State Rams, the Texans, the Broncos, and now he's in 23 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. He's a great guy. So we'll 24 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: catch up with him and then we'll go around the 25 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: NFL to finish up. But as I mentioned, we're gonna 26 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: kick off the show with our exclusive one on one 27 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: with Nick Cassario, general manager of your Houston Texans, and 28 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: he gives you, well a little bit of cryptocurrency advice. 29 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: Take a listen. Joining us right now, Texans Radio. It's 30 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: Texans general manager Nick Kissario. Nick, thanks so much for 31 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 1: joining us. As always, we appreciate it. So the trade 32 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: deadline come and gone, and I know a lot of 33 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: activity leading up to it, probably a lot of conversations. 34 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: The things we don't see that's got to be really interesting. 35 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: I know you can't get into that. But you did 36 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: make some moves in the last week. Yeah, we did, 37 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: And it's a good point that you brought up. There 38 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: was actually some trades that almost came to fruition kind 39 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: of within the last sixty minutes. We were having discussions 40 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: with a team and we had kind of agreed. This 41 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: isn't specific to the Shawn's situation, but this was another 42 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: situation that came up. We were discussing a player and 43 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: we had parameters in place, and we sort of agreed 44 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: on the trade, and they came back and said, oh, 45 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: actually we've had a change and personnel all the players injured, 46 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: so we're gonna keep the player. Okay, no problem. So again, 47 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: like those are some of things to your point, Mark 48 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: that happened. So we again, we probably talked to the 49 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: majority of the league, not every team, but pretty close 50 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: just about different players and their availability and who may 51 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: or may not be available. We executed a few trades 52 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 1: of a past few weeks with the Ingram trade and 53 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: the amount of who trade here yesterday. So that's kind 54 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: of where we are here for today. So I think 55 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: there's sometimes a lot of bluster around the trade deadline 56 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: and everybody and not as much as a draft John's favorite, 57 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of discussion about it. In the end, 58 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: there was I want to say, four or five transactions 59 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: that took place yesterday. You brought up something in your 60 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: press conference though it was interesting. You said that you're 61 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: your personnel staff something somebody tries to make contact with 62 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: everybody throughout the league just to have a converse sation, 63 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: and I thought it was interesting. Can you expand upon 64 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: that about what just knowledge you're looking for, just information 65 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: you're trying to take in and the fact that you 66 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: do talk to every single team in the league. Yeah, 67 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: it's a great question when you're evaluating a team. So 68 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: when you're watching a team, you're obviously creating a inventory 69 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: of players and strengths weaknesses in the back of your mind, well, 70 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: is this player available by wonder fees available? So what 71 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: we try to do is just and we'll communicate with anybody. 72 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: This isn't well specific to the NFC, like we'll talk 73 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: to every team. I've actually had a couple conversation with 74 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: Trent Balki down in Jacksonville at different points as well, 75 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: I saying sometimes there's always that belief, well, you will 76 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: never do anything inside the division and that whole Like, 77 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: we're pretty open mind, we're pretty flexible, and if there's 78 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: something that we can do that we feel can help 79 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: our team, regardless of who the opposition is, then we'll pursue. 80 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: So a lot of it is information gathering and you're 81 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: just trying to put something in place, and you might 82 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: trigger some say hey, you know what this probably you 83 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: might be available, or they just acquired this player, or 84 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: they just added this player through waivers. Maybe this player 85 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 1: is available. This players an expiring contract, Maybe it's something 86 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: they're trying to move on from now is it's somebody 87 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: that can help your team. So a lot of it 88 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: is just accumulating information and making a decision or if 89 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: there's somebody or something that we can do relative to 90 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: your team that might be able to help in some capacity. Well, 91 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: you mentioned with DeShawn no deal and you go day 92 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: to day with this. So moving on into the rest 93 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: of the season, you mentioned every week you're just going 94 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: to approach it best chance to win, do whatever it 95 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: takes to get that win. It's almost like every week's 96 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: a bowl game for you, because no matter what the 97 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: record is, you're trying to get that done and no 98 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: matter who's on the roster. That's the truth. Mark, that's 99 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: the way the NFL's designed. I'd say the unique thing 100 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: about the NFL you have this year's seventeen opportunities. You 101 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: have one opportunity seventeen weeks or eighteen weeks to go 102 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: out there and perform to the best of your ability. 103 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: This isn't like other sports where there's more a volume 104 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: of game, Like if you win two out of three 105 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: series in baseball, you're going to be thrilled. I mean, 106 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: you're gonna be happy about how that went. Basketball plays 107 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: eighty two games or every MANI games. We have seventeen 108 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: chances to go out there each week. So it just 109 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: magnifies the importance of doing everything you can possibly that 110 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: week to prepare and regardless of the circumstance or what 111 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: happened the previous week, you can't spend too much time 112 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: on it, good or bad, because in a lot of respects, 113 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: it's not going to have a lot of bearing on 114 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: what happens that following week. How difficult, Nick, is it 115 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: to take your personal emotion out of any particular deal 116 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: or move or anything that you make. And I think 117 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: about mark Ingram because you talked about it at the 118 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: podium about how the tough that was because of what 119 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: he meant to the team, But it was the Saints 120 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: that called, and so your emotion probably says, man, I 121 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: really want him to be a Texan, but man, the Saints. 122 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: How difficult is it to take emotion out of the 123 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: whole deal. It's a great point. I think you have 124 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: to take emotion out of a lot of decision making. 125 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: You have to be very rational, you have to be 126 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: very thoughtful, you have to be very pragmatic and just 127 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: go through your decision making process and arrive at at 128 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: endpoint whatever that is. So in mark situation, I think 129 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: the great thing about that we were very honest with 130 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: him about the circumstance. David had reached out to him 131 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: the kind of the night before and they had a conversation. 132 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: We met the following day and we just talked face 133 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: to face and we've talked about this at different points 134 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: throughout the year. Football it's played on the field, but 135 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: it's still a people business. So the best thing you 136 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: can do is just be honest and be very forthright 137 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: and communicate transparently and provide the information where you see fit. 138 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: And Mark's an unbelievable human being. He's been a great 139 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: player for a long time. He's been a great player 140 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: for their franchise, for the Saints for a long time. 141 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: In the end, would we rather had Mark continue with us, 142 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: I mean probably, But the way it worked out, I 143 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: think it was the right thing for everybody involved. You 144 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: were asked about Davis during your press conference and how 145 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: difficult is it to evaluate what he can and can't 146 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: do when you are struggling running the football and some 147 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: of the other issues on offense, you have injuries on 148 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: the old line and that sort of thing. Yeah, you 149 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: have to just look at the individual player, his performance 150 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: and some of the things maybe that he can control. 151 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: Some of the skill that are specific to the quarterback position. 152 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: So a quarterback, every player on the field depends on 153 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: another person around them. So the offensive line can't do 154 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: They're depending on the guy next to them. So the 155 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: garden center, they need each other. In the double teams, 156 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: the quarterback have to make sure the tight end does 157 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: the right thing, and a receiver can't do his job 158 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: unless you know, you know, everybody has to do their 159 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: job and everybody has a responsibility. So you focus on 160 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: your individual skill. What have you done? Did you do 161 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: the right thing on the play? Do you make the 162 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: right decision? And we were able to execute it from 163 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: a physical standpoint, and there's examples of I would say, 164 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: specifically him doing that and other examples were quite frankly 165 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: that hadn't been the case. You know, the interception is 166 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: a player that he would probably want to have back. 167 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't sound football. Wasn't good decision, and 168 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: that's something hopefully if you get into a situation like 169 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: that the next time, you make the right decision. N 170 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: the mechanics of moving Charles to the forty nine ers, 171 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: what does that mean for you guys? Does that mean 172 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: for him go forward? Yeah, it's it'll be a good 173 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: opportunity for him. You know, he's a player that had 174 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: some front flux six to kind of three. You know, 175 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: we've been playing the number of different players at that position, 176 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: so just going to present more opportunities for some other players. 177 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: You know, Charles is going to a good system, a 178 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: good defense. I think what he does will fit them, 179 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: you know, fairly well. And they were interested. I would 180 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: say there was actually some other interest in him, you know, 181 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: from some other teams as well. So you know that's 182 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: going to your question earlier. Mark, You just kind of 183 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: stored through everything and just try to take the information 184 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: and ultimately make the decision that you feel makes the 185 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: most sense. When you see players around in the league, 186 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: you evaluate everybody who's draftable, so you have whatever grade 187 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: you have so how do you track what they do 188 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: through their career with another team so you can see 189 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: if you got it right or not. Were we right 190 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: on this guy or wrong even though you didn't pick them. No, 191 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: it's a great question. So I would say, even actually, 192 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: something we're doing here this year, so we have a 193 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: rookie production chart that we, you know, are people in 194 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: our technologies department put together, so you can kind of see, 195 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,719 Speaker 1: all right, who's playing, who's doing what, what's their level 196 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: of performance? And then look at the second year. So 197 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: go from the rookie year their second year, how are 198 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: they playing, how are they performing? Then you go back 199 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: and you can always look at the players we're on 200 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: your team in your program, kind of evaluate their performance 201 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: and just see, okay, maybe it was a system fit, 202 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: maybe this was better, this player performed better, or maybe 203 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: this player hadn't done as well. What's the reason why 204 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: or so there's a lot of things that go into that. Actually, 205 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: just looking at the rookie production chart this morning, kind 206 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 1: of going through it. I mean, I think Roy has 207 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: like the second most playtime of any defensive tackle in 208 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,599 Speaker 1: the league, So you know, he's gone in there and 209 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: kind of held his own Garrett's got like sixty five 210 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: ish percent playtime in the kicking game, so most linebackers, 211 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: a fair amount of linebackers in this sixty five to 212 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: seventy percent special teams playtime. You know, Davis, we've talked 213 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: about him a little bit. Man, I think he's like 214 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: second in MAC the completion percentage, and you know, some 215 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: of the other numbers or metrics are comparable relative to 216 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: the rest of the quarterbacks. And you know, Nico's probably 217 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: his production has been affected by just his availability. But 218 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: it's something that's important because it's a great point mark. 219 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: So you evaluate, you put all this time into a 220 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: great the player, they get drafted, Okay, they're on the 221 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: other team. Okay, how are they doing? And if you 222 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: just wait until the next time you play that team 223 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: might be three or four years. So if you want 224 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: to be able to kind of track your performances as 225 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: a staff, Okay, we had this player here, here's what 226 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: we thought. Okay, here's what it looks like. All right, 227 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: well maybe we missed this. Let's go back and evaluate us. 228 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: So it's a constant evaluation of not only the player, 229 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: but maybe some of the things that we're doing. And 230 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: if we can find a way to enhance that. Then 231 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: we'll look at that Nike go on in those lines. 232 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: Those guys that you mentioned, you mentioned, Garrett Davis, Nico, 233 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: those guys have all been on the field for seven 234 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: eight weeks. Brevin gets on the field for the first 235 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: time on Sunday. First of all, what'd you think of 236 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: what he did in week one and what was it 237 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: that he was doing that led him to get on 238 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: the field in week eight. Yeah, it's a good question. 239 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: I'd say he's made some progress in practice. So a 240 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: lot of it is practice, execution, Eagles game reality. So 241 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: you're not gonna if you don't do something in practice, 242 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: you're all of a sudden, like magically gonna wave some 243 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: dust and then you're gonna do it on Sunday. So 244 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: he's practiced well and performed well, and he was put 245 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: in a situation. I mean, Farrell wasn't active, so I 246 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: think that was a part of it too. So Farrell 247 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: wasn't active, So we've been taking three tight ends of 248 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: the game. So we took Brevin in the game, and 249 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: he took advantage of some of the opportunities that would presented. 250 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: Now the big thing will be all right, moving forward, 251 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: or do we see a consistent level of performance or 252 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: do you as there's some variability in the player's play. Right, Well, 253 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: you said in the press conference, not all players in 254 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: this league are equally committed, right, And that's probably pretty obvious, 255 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: But I want to ask you about that because if 256 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: you can determine if a player is fully committed coming 257 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: out or wherever the case, wherever he is in his career, 258 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: and the ability might be, you know, not one potential upside, 259 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: but the commitment is there, how do you evaluate that 260 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: and how valuable is that to you as an organization? 261 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: It's the twenty five million dollar question. So if they 262 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: have the traits and the characteristics that are requisite to 263 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: becoming a successful player, right, they still they have to 264 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: have a certain level of skill that they can actually 265 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: go out there and perform their job. So if a 266 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: player is coachable, if a player will work hard, if 267 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: a player will improve and he'll make a commitment to 268 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: being a great player, and then combine that with a 269 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: skill improvement, a certain level of skill and continual skill improvement, 270 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: then he has an opportunity to become a good player. 271 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: And then when you have as many players like that 272 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: as possible on your team. Then it's a collective effort. 273 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: So that just enhances the overall performance and the ability 274 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: of your team. So that's ultimately what you're trying to 275 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: do when you build your team, is just to identify 276 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: those players with those traits or characteristics, and you could 277 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: shrink the pool of players because you might eliminate some players. 278 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: And if that's what your philosophy or belief is, then 279 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: you have to be true to that and stick to it. 280 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated when you talk about the only TV I 281 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: watches CNBC, it's the only thing I watch, or whatever 282 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: it is that you watch. By the way, where you 283 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: adminimated park last night? Just okay, anyways, checking when you 284 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: stand at the podium, you know everything that went on 285 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: with the Phoenix Suns. You know exactly what happened with 286 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: the Houston Astros. How much do other sports leagues and 287 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: what are their teams do? How much are you following 288 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: that and then taking mental notes of wait a second, 289 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: I think we could apply that, or I think I'd 290 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: like the way they did this. How have you been 291 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: able to kind of track all of that and then 292 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: bring it into what you're doing a daily basis it's 293 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: a good question. I think it's really more of an 294 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: appetite for learning and curious and curiosity and seeing you're 295 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: never going to paint everything but a broad brush and say, okay, 296 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: this situation is exactly like the Houston Texans. No situation 297 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: is alike. Right, you can look at some of the 298 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: elements and some of the things that they had to 299 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: endure and say, Okay, what were maybe some things that 300 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: had happened. What did they get right? What did they 301 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: get wrong? Okay, how did they fix this problem? This 302 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: took a little bit longer. Okay, they allocated time and 303 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: resources to this, so you're just processing a lot of information. 304 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: I think it's just more of an insatiable desire to 305 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: learn and try to grow and improve and if there's 306 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: elements that you can take and apply them to your situation. Again, 307 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: this is specific to the Houston Texans about what we're 308 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: trying to do, but it could be said X y 309 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: Z Corporation, where you're basically trying to start a program 310 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: or put something newer in place. What cryptocurrency do you recommend? Nick, 311 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding one base. Okay, you've got the answer. 312 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: It's not about individual it's not about ether Salona. Bitcoin 313 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: gives you kind of an opportunity, the exposure to the 314 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: exchange where all of them trade. So Tom gave that guy. 315 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna have another podcast. So Tom gave you that 316 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: guy a bitcoin for the football? Is that a good move? 317 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: Tom is very smart about everything he does. That might 318 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: have been the company that endorses or that he endorses 319 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: or whatever. YE don't know. Nick, thanks so much for 320 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: joining us. Best to luck this week. Thanks guys, appreciate it. Yeah, 321 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: imagine that general manager knows a little bit about bitcoin 322 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: coin base. Yeah, smart dude. I know there's some out 323 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: there that that poke fun at that put that on 324 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: social media today. But it's okay. I like having a 325 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: smart GM and like being that room with him every 326 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: single time we have a chance to catch up with 327 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: Nick because Sarah, all right, we got a little bit 328 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: of news that we'll hit in the second segment, but 329 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: we're also gonna go behind the enemy sidelines with Marcel's. 330 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: Louis Jacques of ESPN dot Com covers the Dolphins. 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Marcel, so glad 350 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: to have you on this week. It's been a crazy week. 351 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: The NFL deadline has come and gone and I think 352 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: these are the two teams that are kind of relieved 353 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: it's over, even though the outcome may not be what 354 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: everybody wanted. So I know the GM there for the 355 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: Dolphins spoke today. What can you tell us about the 356 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: trade from that side of the building. Yeah, Greer did 357 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: not directly Mentionshaun Watson's name. I'm not sure if he's 358 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: allowed to or not, but he was directly asked about 359 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: the possibility of trading for Watson, and he said that, 360 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: I mean, anytime a player who's considered one of the 361 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: top at his position is available, that they're gonna go 362 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: for it. They're gonna try to do their due diligence, 363 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna do their homework on it, but that ultimately 364 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: they decided as an organization that this is not something 365 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: that wanted to pursue at this time. He did say 366 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: that they're going to finish out the rest of the 367 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: season and then they'll evaluate the roster come this offseason. 368 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: And so the way that I took it, the way 369 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: that we took it in this room, is that the 370 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: door is not closed. Yeah. I think that we are 371 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: basically an intermission of what it's been a really, really 372 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: long and drawn out movie or play, whatever drama that 373 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: we want to call this. And I think it's going 374 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: to restart once again as soon as this season is over. Yeah, 375 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: And you know, I think the big question is for 376 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: quarterback to a tongue of vloa, where does that leave 377 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: his status with the Dolphins and his future now that 378 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: there was a lot of talk about a potential trade 379 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: and now there isn't one. So where does that leave 380 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: him now for the rest of the season and beyond. 381 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: You know, you know, Chris Squeer thought that this is 382 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: not an indictment onto it, that this is just a 383 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,719 Speaker 1: special scenario in which, again one of the top players 384 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: at his position became available. I don't know if that 385 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: means they don't think Tua can become one of the 386 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: top players at this position. But these next nine games 387 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: are going to go a long way toward really trying 388 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: to establish his ceiling. He's had kind of an unorthodox 389 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: start to his career. He's coming back from that from 390 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: the fractured hip as a rookie, coming back from fractured 391 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: ribbs this year, He's dealt with being benched in the 392 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: fourth quarter for Ryan Fitzpatrick last year and then the 393 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: Deshaun stuff all this year, So it's really been just 394 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: kind of an unfair start to his career. But as 395 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: he told us, I mean, life isn't fair. So he's 396 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: I think he's ready to move on. He's ready to 397 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: put one hundred percent of his focus into this team 398 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: and into finishing as strong as they can, and I 399 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: think the Dolphins will legitimately evaluate where they are come 400 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: season's end. Yeah, And with two of missing the games 401 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: with the rib injury, and now that he's back, what 402 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: can you tell us about how he looks since he's 403 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: returning and how much of his performance this year could 404 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: be placed on the quarterback shoulders as opposed to other 405 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: factors that go on with the offense, O line, etc. Well, 406 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: he wasn't great persone against against Buffalo. He did put 407 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: them in position, I don't know if I want to 408 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: say a position to win, but he put them in 409 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: a decent position to complete a comeback at the end 410 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: of the game before ultimately he threw a pretty tough 411 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: interception kind of with this back against the wall. But 412 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: those two games before that were the two best statistical 413 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: games of his career, completing seventy five percent of his pastes. 414 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: He had a six touchdown to three interception ratio. I 415 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: thought he was playing great football, and you know, it 416 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: does kind of bring the question about that. Okay, here 417 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: he is playing the best football of his career and 418 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: they still were not able to beat the Jaguars or 419 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: the Falcons. But that's not solely on his shoulders. This 420 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: is also a defense that's ranked, you know, ranks in 421 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: the bottom we'll call it bottom fourth in the league 422 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: and yards allowed per game, in scoring, in third down defense, 423 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: in red zone defense. I mean, there's not really a 424 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: lot that they're doing well on that side of the ball. 425 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: And that's a massive concern because that was supposed to 426 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: be this team's strength and string the season. So it's 427 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: not just the quarterback issue. And that was really kind 428 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: of the debate surrounding a possible trade for Shaun Watson, 429 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: was does even a guy like that elevate this team 430 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: into something that it's not Because he played the best 431 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: football of his career last season and the Texans were 432 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: still four and twelve. So I think that you know, 433 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: Ta deserves his share of the blame, for sure. Sure, 434 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: he's thrown some pretty backbreaking interceptions over the past three weeks. 435 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,239 Speaker 1: He's still you know, maybe not being as aggressive as 436 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: he can at times or being too aggressive at that time. 437 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: So he's still figuring out that balance. But he has 438 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: not been the most prevalent issue on this team. That 439 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: is still their struggles on the defensive side of the 440 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: ball and their struggles in pass blocking. I mean, they 441 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: are according to our pass block win rate, they're the 442 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: worst pass blocking team in the NFL and they are 443 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: not blitzed very often. So it's kind of there's a 444 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: lot of things that I think they could use those 445 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 1: picks to improve this team. And I think that too, 446 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: could be the guy who takes them to the next 447 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: level once the pieces around him are settled. All Right, 448 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: lots to unpack there, but let's just talk about the 449 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: record for a second. One and seven. Much like the Texans, 450 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: they've lost seven in a row. Last year after finishing 451 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: ten and six and narrowly missing the playoffs, a lot 452 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: of people thought that the Dolphins were big contenders or 453 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: they're in the AFC, so you know, with Brian Flores 454 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: building his team, it looked like things were headed in 455 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: the right direction. After the start the team has had 456 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: this year. What's the reaction in Miami and around the 457 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: building with the one and seventh start, and we're the 458 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: Dolphins season has headed so far this year. Well, if 459 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: you ask players, I mean, most notably Micasecki, he takes 460 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: the stand right behind me every week and he tells 461 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: us we are we are that close, we are almost there, 462 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: We're right there. And to their credit, I mean, the 463 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: Bills game was ended up being a multiple score lots, 464 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: but Falcon's loss was a last possessing game. The Jaguars 465 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: loss was a last possession game. The Raiders early in 466 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: the year, last possession game. When you look at some 467 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: of these one score losses that they've had, you can 468 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: really boil it down to Okay, they either turned the 469 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,479 Speaker 1: ball over in the red zone, they weren't fishing at 470 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: the end of the game. They turned it onto eight 471 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: like they're full of It's not like they're you know, 472 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: they just got their butt kick for four quarters in 473 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: every single week. So I do think that they think 474 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: the pieces are there and that it just is going 475 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,959 Speaker 1: to take. As Brian told us today, it's just going 476 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 1: to take finding the right formula. The way they tell us, 477 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: the way they talk to us. This team still believes 478 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: in its coach. This coaching staff still believes in its players, 479 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: and you know, they do have a lot of games 480 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: moving ahead here to try to kind of figure it out. 481 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to go out and say, 482 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: you know, they've got a bunch of get right opponents here, 483 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: because at one and seven, there's no such thing as 484 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: a get right opponent. You are they get right opponent, 485 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: But they do have They have the Texans coming up, 486 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: They've got two games against the Jets, they have a 487 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: game against the Giants, against the Panthers as well. Like, 488 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: there are a lot of opportunities to right the ship 489 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: coming up, and really in situations like this, all it 490 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: takes is one win to get that mindset turned around, 491 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: and I think that's what they're obviously looking for this weekend. 492 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: All right, Well, the receiving core there has been banged 493 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: up a bit, and a lot of Texans fans know 494 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: all too well with Will Fuller how that goes. And 495 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: it looks like, you know, the injury bug has has 496 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: been him again and as well as DeVante Parker missing 497 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: some time. But the one bright spot for the receivers, 498 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: Houston native Jalen Waddle leads this team with touchdowns. He's 499 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: got three touchdowns. He leads them also in catches. What 500 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: about his rookie campaign? Are you know, are you surprised 501 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: at his ability to really step in as a rookie 502 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: and step in for some guys who have got some 503 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: big names and done some things in their past. And 504 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: what do you like so far about the rookie wide receiver? Yeah, 505 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if if his success has come as 506 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: a surprise. You know, they traded up to six to 507 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: go grab him, and you don't do that unless you 508 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: think a guy can be an instant impact type of 509 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: player for you. He's undoubtedly been Miami's most reliable receiver, 510 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: if for no other reason, and he's played every game. 511 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: He's been durable enough, and that's something this corus struggled with. 512 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: I am a little surprised at his usage, however, not 513 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: the targets, chair not the receptions, but the average yards 514 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: per target and the depth per target. They're turning him 515 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: into kind of a you know, three to four five 516 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: yard at a time receiver. I think he had you know, 517 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: maybe twenty nine thirty yards last game. He's had a 518 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: game this year where you know, twelve catches for fifty 519 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: eight yards. That's not That's not what I was expecting. 520 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: I thought they would be able to stretch the field 521 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: a little bit more with him, and you know, really 522 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: start to see that yard actor catch numbers start to 523 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: grow and grow and grow by the week. But I 524 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: don't think that's all his fault. I think a lot 525 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: of that is the situation. Will Fuller, as he said, 526 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: hasn't been healthy majority of the season. Vante Parker hasn't 527 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: been healthy a lot of the season. They really relying 528 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: on those three guys on the field at the same 529 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: time to throw that kind of versatile look at defenses. 530 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: So you know, until that happens, it's going to be 531 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: tough to really judge his rookie season, you know, compared 532 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: to what we thought it was going to be. But 533 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: I think once again, he has been the most reliable 534 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: receiver in this offense, and he's clearly going to be 535 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: a big part of the game play and moving forward, 536 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: whether it's near the line of scrimmage or hopefully eventually down. Yeah, 537 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: another reliable target and very consistent tight end. Mike get Sick. 538 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: You mentioned him a little bit earlier, you know, with 539 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: the injuries at wide receiver, do you see the Dolphins 540 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: incorporating him a little bit more in the offense. What 541 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: are your thoughts on that. He's got four hundred and 542 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: seventy five yards receiving, so when he is out there, 543 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: he is so productive as a pass catcher. But do 544 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: you see his role growing at all, especially with the 545 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: consistency that he offers it And what makes him so 546 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: tough to cover, well, it makes it so tough to covers. 547 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: He is such a speed mismatch and a side mismatch 548 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: at the same time for opposing linebackers in safety is 549 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: one of those. He's too quick for a linebacker to 550 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: keep up with. He's too big at six six sixty 551 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: seven to get bodied up by a safety, and he's 552 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: got a real eye for finding the soft spot in 553 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: in his own or any defense. He saw it last 554 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: week fourth and six two. It hits him on a 555 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: forty yard pass down field and that really helped extend 556 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: the Dolphins hopes in that game. Obviously they didn't win 557 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, but that just shows 558 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: you that they are looking for him in those critical moments. 559 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: I don't know if his rule is going to grow 560 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: exponentially more than what it is right now. I know 561 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: that you know one of two, and one of Miami's 562 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: big concerns here compared to early in the season is 563 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: getting its playmakers going early on in games, and you 564 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: saw it against the Bills. I think his first twas 565 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: first ten passes, like five of them went to Davanta Parker, 566 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: five of them went to Jaalen Wattle. Those aren't numbers 567 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: you'd like to hear if you maybe have my Koseki 568 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: in fantasy. But I do think you could expect to 569 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: see him be a part of their game plan across 570 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: all four quarters, again because of how much of a 571 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 1: mismatch he is to opposing defenses. And it's a contract here, man, 572 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: I think he wants to be involved because you want 573 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: to get that biggest payday possible. And he's proven himself 574 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: to be arguably their best offensive player period, maybe even 575 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: team MVP over the first eight games. All right, Well, 576 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: let's talk about that defense that you mentioned earlier. Zavian Howard. 577 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: He made big news before the start of the season, 578 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: wanted to get traded, didn't get traded. He's still on 579 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: this defense, and it seemed like not a lot change 580 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: from twenty twenty to twenty twenty one. So, you know, 581 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: what do you attribute the struggles on defense too from 582 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: last year to this year? Where has been the big 583 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: drop off and how do you explain the fact that 584 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: it's been underperforming compared to where they were last year. 585 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: I think that the most you know, when you look 586 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: at that defense last year, they weren't really spectacular in 587 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: terms of stopping their opponents from moving the ball down field. 588 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: Their middle of the pack in yards passing yards, rushing 589 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 1: yards allowed per game. They were good at, you know, 590 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: top ten in points allowed per game. But where they 591 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: really shine where in those crucial situations like third down 592 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: and in the red zone. They were actually the best 593 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: third down defense in the NFL last season. This year 594 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: that has completely flipped. They are actually the worst team 595 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,719 Speaker 1: in the NFL on third down this year. So you know, 596 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: their yards per game averages have bloomed a little bit, 597 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: but again, that's kind of what they did last year. 598 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: But now they're not stopping teams, they're not getting off 599 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: the field on third down. They led the NFL and 600 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: turnovers last year. They're not taking the ball away at 601 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: a high rate this year, and you know, that's kind 602 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: of an unsustainable model to build your defense around. So 603 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: until they start succeeding at the points of attack and 604 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,479 Speaker 1: in those critical situations, it's going to be hard for 605 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: them to attain the level of play that they reached 606 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: last season, because, like you said, I mean, there isn't 607 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: a lot different. These are all the same guys back 608 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: more or less. You add a guy like Jayalen Phillips, 609 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: you add guys like Jason mccordy, and you would think, Okay, 610 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: this is an improved defense. You got a defensive minded 611 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: head coach as well, same coordinator for the for back 612 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: to back years. So I think it's really just kind 613 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: of focused around, like I said, those the critical scenarios, 614 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: the third down, the red zone and then taking the 615 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: ball away that they really need to improve or else 616 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: you know, the wheels are going to continue to fall off. 617 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: All right, Marcel, I know it's a big week for 618 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: both these teams as they try to get their season 619 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: turn around. But what are some of the stories that 620 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: you're working on. Yeah, well, I'm actually I've got to 621 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: big picture story on the past five six drafts that 622 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: the Dolphins have put together. See you know how these 623 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: players have panned out. It was obviously a major storyline 624 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: there like the Sixers of the NFL as in terms 625 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: of acquiring draft picks. The Sixers, you know, haven't made 626 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: it all the way work yet, but they've reached the 627 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: Eastern Conference finals. The Dolphins have not been quite as 628 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: successful doing that tank model. So I want to kind 629 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: of evaluate what went wrong. I want to evaluate where 630 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: this team's direction is now that to a tungle by 631 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: Loa is actually the quarterback and we can actually believe 632 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: what we're being told instead of whatever smoke screens are 633 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: being thrown out. So, you know, looking forward to that 634 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: and then just looking forward to getting into some Houston 635 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: actual film study. It feels like, you know, we haven't 636 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: been able to focus just on the football for the 637 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: past couple of weeks, and I know you guys down 638 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: there are probably in somewhat of the same boat. So 639 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: it'll be nice to just get on that tape and 640 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: see what we're expecting. On Sunday, had a couple of guys, 641 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: Jerome Baker, Christian Wilkins. The first thing they thought of 642 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: when asked about this Houston offense is the team's speed, 643 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: especially in that backfield. So looking forward to seeing that 644 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: pop on tape and seeing if the Dolphins have the 645 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: kind of horses to cover them. All right, we're looking 646 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: forward to it. Marcella'll appreciate the time. Glad the trade 647 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: deadlines behind us and we can focus on football again. 648 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: Appreciate it as always, absolutely thanks for having me on. 649 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: Wonderful stuff there from Marcel Louis Jacques of the of 650 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: ESPN dot com, who covers the Dolphins. They're in Miami 651 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: for the Worldwide Leader. All right, we get back. We'll 652 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: go in the lab talking about rookies not named Davis Mills. 653 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: Next right here in Texas all access. Well, it's usually 654 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: about this time of the show when I start getting 655 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: hungry and I start thinking about burgers, and that means 656 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about Freddie's frozen custard and steak burgers. Freddie's 657 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: is all about the good and creating more of it. 658 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: More drive through celebrations, more road trips around the block, 659 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: more family and lunches, more car picnics and desserts, maybe 660 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: even more second desserts. And I've never done the two 661 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: dessert thing, but I have done the Chief's courage with 662 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: a turtle concrete and don't feel bad about it. More 663 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: being together as much as we can with seventeen area 664 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: locations in the Houston area. Freddie's keeps the good going 665 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: with the taste that brings you back. And now I'm 666 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: even more hungry. I have to wait because we still 667 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: got radio to do, but it's time for a little 668 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: bit of in the Lab with a guy that I 669 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: know would join me at Freddie's in a quick second, 670 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: and that's Drew Doherty. This week on in the Lab, 671 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: we decided to talk about rookies not named Davis Mills. 672 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: Here we go, Let's talk about the rookies who are 673 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: not named Davis Mills on this team. So it's a 674 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: group that's actually gotten quite a bit of playing time 675 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: for the most part in a lot of spots. And 676 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: we saw one of them get playing time for the 677 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: first time this Sunday in Brevin Jordan. But let's begin 678 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: with Nico Collins, who over the last four games because 679 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: he missed a little chunk there after Cleveland, and if 680 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: you throw in the Cleveland game, he's had a reception 681 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: of like eighteen to twenty plus yards or more at 682 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: least in all of those games, it seems, maybe with 683 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: one exception, but he had a pretty solid output on Sunday, 684 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: and he was one of the few guys that really 685 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: didn't catch any passes in the fourth quarter. He was 686 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: kind of one of the I don't you can't say 687 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: a bright spot when you're getting you know, your head 688 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: caved in for nothing. But of course he had a 689 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: long reception. He had a few other targets and he 690 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: was targeted four times. He caught all of them. What's 691 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: he doing well in your estimation? And what's he working 692 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: on because he was targeted four times? But is he 693 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: just not getting open to not get targeted more? Is 694 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: it a combination of Davis Mills just being a little 695 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: bit of an experienced and able to find him. Is 696 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: it kind of all of that. But I've just at 697 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: superficial glance been impressed with what I've seen from Nico Collins. 698 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: What have you thought about him? Yeah, I agree with you, Drew. 699 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: I think he's been really impressive. And yeah, I think 700 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: the other day, I think there are some things. There 701 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: are a lot of things that are wrong. Is not 702 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: the right not the correct word. But just for Nico, look, 703 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: he's a rookie's he just is now hitting the halfway 704 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: point of his rookie year, and like you said, I 705 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: think he missed what three three weeks dealing with the 706 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: shoulder issue, but he and on top of that, he 707 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: missed all of twenty twenty opting out because of the 708 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: COVID issues. And I'll be honest, it wasn't so much 709 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: an opt out as it was a force out really 710 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: because of the way the Big Ten handled the whole 711 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: COVID issue. To be honest, Nico wanted to go back 712 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: but the but the Big Ten handled it so poorly 713 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: that he that he wasn't able to so ter My god, 714 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: hasn't really played a lot of football since twenty nineteen, 715 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: where I felt like he was really really getting and 716 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: hitting his stride. So you throw all that in still 717 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: shaking off Russ, learning the NFL game, and he's got 718 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback and all of that combined, I think. 719 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 1: I don't say it doesn't add to the to the issues, 720 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: because I don't. I don't really say their issues, but 721 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: it adds to the to the growing pains of being 722 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: an NFL wide receiver. And I think he's really adapted 723 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: very well. I think for Davis when I don't want 724 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: to when things get tough, I guess it's the right 725 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: way of saying, or it's a key situation, he's gonna 726 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: look to Brandon Cooks and I don't have any problems 727 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: with that, absolutely, But Tim Kelly and his offensive stafford 728 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: drawing things up for Nko. He's making big, big plays 729 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: across the middle. I think that's what people wanted to see. 730 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: I think the one thing with Nico we really haven't 731 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: seen just yet, and that's the deep ball. He has 732 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: got much better speed than people think, and he can 733 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: go pick it off the top of a DB's head. Now, 734 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: that part he really hasn't had a chance to really 735 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: to do, which is something he did at Mission. Now 736 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: there are a couple of factors in that teams are 737 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: not struggling to stop the Texans run, so they can 738 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: put two guys on the roof essentially play some sort 739 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: of quarters or half coverage and keep that deep ball 740 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 1: from happening. So what happens is you throw the glance route, 741 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 1: you throw the dig routes, the routes that break inside 742 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: and underneath those guys, and that's what Nico's been catching. 743 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: So if you get more post safety coverage with a 744 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,839 Speaker 1: single safety in the middle and cover three or cover one, 745 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: that might be more opportunity for Nico to go down 746 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: to field, but the Texas just aren't seeing that because 747 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: they're not demanding it from a defense by running the 748 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: ball better. So I think that's a part of Nico's 749 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: game that will get better once teams start to respect 750 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: the run a little bit more and say, look, we 751 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 1: can't sit here and too high, or we can't sit 752 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 1: here in the middle of the field open coverages because 753 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: we gotta put his safety down in the box and 754 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: stop that run game. And that's just not Texas aren't 755 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 1: drawing that out to allow the receivers to get man 756 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: to man on the outside, to get single safety coverage 757 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 1: where they can go outside of numbers and do some stuff. 758 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: In particular Nico Collins. Yeah. And then Brevin Jordan he 759 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: played a quarter of the snaps exactly exactly a quarter 760 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: of the snaps on Sunday, first time he'd been active. 761 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: It's pretty darn and clear that guy needs to play 762 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: some more. He's not going to be inactive much longer 763 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: unless something pops up. That guy's got a spot that 764 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: guy can play. I was very enthused by what I 765 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: saw from from Brevin Jordans in very limited time, and 766 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: he was He was one of those guys that kind 767 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: of he came to life there in that fourth quarter win. 768 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: Yes we know, we know the starters were out for 769 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: the most part. Yeah we know, I know, but he 770 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: looked good and he played well against the people who 771 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: are out there. I was very, very enthused by what 772 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 1: I saw. I can't wait to see more of it. 773 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: Wed you, what was your kind of first takeaway after, 774 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: you know, the dust settled Sunday against the Rams. My 775 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: first thought was the way they handled Brevin Jordan the 776 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: Texans I thought was probably the exact right way of 777 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: doing it. I mean, he was one of the toys 778 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 1: I opened for Christmas in some sense and wanted to 779 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: really go out and play with that toy all day 780 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: long because he's got twitch, he's got the size, he's 781 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: got the hands. But you know, look, Brevin played at 782 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: Bishop Gorman High School, one of the greatest high schools 783 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,280 Speaker 1: in the country, then went to Miami. You know, everything 784 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 1: was really easy for him, and you could tell there 785 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: was some rough spots that he kind of had to 786 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: smooth out before it really could get on the field. 787 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: But then when he did get on the field, he 788 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 1: was ready to go and look, you can't walk over 789 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: to to Raheem Morris and say no, ho hey rahee Morris. Defense. 790 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: According to the Rams, leave your first defense out there, 791 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: you can mean, you can't. You just gotta go make 792 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: plays against who's out there. And Brevin did that. I 793 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: mean the touchdown catches outstanding, you know, the third his 794 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 1: third catch and last catch. Um he goes down the team, 795 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: catches it with his hand with a dB on him, 796 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 1: and I think he's got much better things ahead. You 797 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: know this as well as as any Drew. I had 798 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: him number thirty seven and my Harris one hundred, and 799 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: I stood I stood by it. I felt like when 800 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: I watched him, I could I could put on his 801 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: film and I would I would sit with anybody, I 802 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: don't care who it is, and I could point out 803 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: this guy neats to me playing in our league, and 804 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,280 Speaker 1: he is one of the better players in this draft. 805 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: But I do think there were some rough spots that 806 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: he had to kind of smooth out and kind of 807 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,439 Speaker 1: get used to being in NFL locker room, not being 808 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: the alpha dog, and then working your way from the bottom, 809 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: you know, as Drake says, started from the bottom, and 810 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: hopefully he gets to where Drake is in the music game. 811 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: He does that as a tight end, and I think 812 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: good things are ahead. And when you think about it, well, 813 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: the team has won in seven and struggling a little bit. 814 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: Where do you find a hope. You find a hope 815 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: and young players guys like those two, guys like Jonathan 816 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: Grenard who's been ripping up, who talked about quite a bit. 817 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 1: Also guys like someone we you and I like the 818 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: day after he was drafted, really the day he was drafted. 819 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: The more we talked about him, the more we found 820 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 1: out about him, we both kind of called it early on, 821 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: like Roy Lopez. We said that guy's got a really 822 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: good chance of coming in and contributing and doing so 823 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: for a long time. And it looks like he's on 824 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: that path now. We also put the caveat out there, like, 825 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: don't expect fifteen sacks forty tackles for lost per year 826 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: because he plays a position that basically you chew up 827 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: double teams and you help your other guys around you 828 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,359 Speaker 1: get one on one matchups. He's done that and he's 829 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 1: added a little bit extra to it as well. Now 830 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: it's been a struggle all year long, but the defensive 831 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,240 Speaker 1: line for the most part, has played better than average 832 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: or better than you know, the rest of the defense. 833 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: And he's been a big part of that. And he's 834 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 1: come in as a rookie, a late late round pick, 835 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,919 Speaker 1: and really he's he's excelled or exceeded kind of what 836 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: was expected if you look at where he was drafted. 837 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 1: And it's been fun to see that. And he's a 838 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: fun guy to cover. He's he's got a great personality. 839 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: He's played well, and I've I've really liked seeing what 840 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: he's done out there. You're exactly right, Drew. I mean, 841 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: you and I the day after you're drafted, you kept 842 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: texting each other like, Hey, you know this guy's dad's 843 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,319 Speaker 1: a coach. Hey, you know this guy's a wrestler. Yep, 844 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: Hey you know this guy's got fives the size of 845 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: walks the Hatchie. I mean, like, he's he's really impressive. 846 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: And here's the thing, if you know, going back to 847 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: the concept of being one and seven, and not that 848 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: I want to harp on the record, obviously, but if 849 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,439 Speaker 1: you said, Okay, your team's gonna be one and seven 850 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: through eight games, almost halfway through, but you had some 851 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: bright spots where would you want it to be, And 852 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 1: my immediate reaction would be on the lines. Well, the 853 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: offensive line has been too banged up to even think about, yeah, 854 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: but the defensive line has really been about as impressive 855 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: as as you could really hope. And that's after JJ 856 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 1: Watt was moved on. After JJ Watt moved on to 857 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, So John Grenard stepping up. You know, 858 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: Jacob Bartin I think has played some really good football. 859 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: We've seen DeMarcus Walker makes some plays on this defensive line, 860 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,879 Speaker 1: and then you've got Roy Yeah. Yeah, Mallie Collins has 861 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: done some amazing I mean, maliek and Roy on that 862 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 1: safety there wasn't a lot made of that. I didn't 863 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: tell Straighter on that particular play, and I watched Jacob, 864 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: but then I'm like, okay, well what about the other things. 865 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: You know, it's a zone read, so okay, did they 866 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 1: take away the zone? Oh my god, Mallie Collins just 867 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: destroyed the guard. Roy Lopez took on a double team 868 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: such that he slipped one block and then took the 869 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: other guy on and was basically holding him up. So 870 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: there was no way they could run it because those 871 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 1: two guys were stuffing it. So you're seeing the things 872 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: on the defensive line that you'd like to be able 873 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: to see. So you go a little snippet. You want 874 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 1: to hear the rescue of Houston Texas dot Com. You 875 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 1: can hear the full podcast in the lab. Definitely go 876 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: check that out. Some good things coming from Nico Collins, 877 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: Brevin Jordan, Rod Lopez, Garrett Wallow, and of course Davis 878 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: Mills at quarterback. All right, we get back. We're gonna 879 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 1: go men behind the mics. Now, Typically it's Mark Vandomir 880 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 1: with the voice of the opponent, but this week it's 881 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,800 Speaker 1: gonna be Mark Vandomer with one of his good friends 882 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 1: who just happens to be the game analyst from the 883 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins, Joe Rose, and a former Dolphin himself. We'll 884 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: have men behind the mike's next right here on Texans 885 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: All Access Access. We got one hour down, in one 886 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,439 Speaker 1: hour left to go. Right here on a Wednesday edition 887 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: of Texans All Access. I am your host, John Harris, 888 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: football analyst, sideline reporter. We didn't do this in the 889 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: first hour, so let's hit this a little bit of 890 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: injury report news before we get to our men behind 891 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 1: the Mics today backhead practice Tyrod Taylor yet again for 892 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: the second week. Now. We'll see if the team does 893 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:13,320 Speaker 1: make him active or activates him on to the fifty 894 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,200 Speaker 1: three man roster. They did not do that last week. 895 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,320 Speaker 1: We'll see if that happens. But today I practice Farrell Brown, 896 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks, Danim and Dola, Christian Kirksey, Kevin, Pierre Lewis. 897 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 1: Those five miss did not participate. Danam and Dola, Brandon 898 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,919 Speaker 1: Cooks not injury related. So my hope is those were 899 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: rest days for those two guys. And in your limited 900 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,320 Speaker 1: Rex Birkehead, Chris Conley, Jacob Martin, Justin McCray, Hardy Nickerson, 901 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: who was put on a fifty three man roster officially 902 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: with a transaction today the Dolphins, to a tongue of 903 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 1: by law, was limited deal with ribs and a left finger, 904 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: and I remember left means a lot because he's left handed, 905 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: so left finger I was throwing hand full participants former 906 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:04,439 Speaker 1: Texan Greg and Jalen Phillips. So Wednesday injury report. We've 907 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: seen a lot of injury reports over the years that 908 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 1: tells you everything, that tells you something. I think the 909 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 1: biggest news was that Tyrod Taylor back again at practice 910 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 1: as Nicks Serius said he would be, and as David 911 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 1: Culley said he would be. And now we'll see what 912 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: that means for Sunday where the Tyrode's gonna be the 913 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: guy starting, or it'll be back to David S. Mills. 914 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 1: We will find out very very soon. Now it's a 915 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: little bit about the Dolphins with our men behind the Mikes, 916 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,239 Speaker 1: Mark Vandomir caught up with a good friend of his 917 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: game analyst for the Dolphins, Joe Rose, former tight end 918 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,360 Speaker 1: who caught a couple of touchdowns and one of the 919 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,760 Speaker 1: greatest NFL games ever played, the eighty one Divisional Playoff round, 920 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: where the Dolphins lost forty one thirty eight to count 921 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: Winslow Andy San Diego Superchargers. Here's Joe Rose with a 922 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,840 Speaker 1: good friend, Mark Vandomir. Mark, take it away, joining us 923 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,280 Speaker 1: right now in Texans Radio. It is an old friend 924 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 1: of mine. Played for the Dolphins, does morning Drive on 925 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,279 Speaker 1: w you AM in Miami and color commentary for the 926 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 1: Dolphins radio network. Joe Rose, Joe, great to have you 927 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,719 Speaker 1: with us. How's it going, my friend, Mark, I'm doing 928 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,280 Speaker 1: great and I wish our two teams had a better record, 929 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,439 Speaker 1: but it's always great talking to you. Well, it's always great, 930 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,319 Speaker 1: and they have the same record, and it's weird. I 931 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,879 Speaker 1: listened to you a little bit on the Odyssey app 932 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,800 Speaker 1: this week and it sounded like you were talking about 933 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 1: the Texans the problems that the Dolphins have had. Well, 934 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: tell me what are some of the problems that the 935 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 1: Dolphins have had? Joe, Well, the biggest disappointment, as you know, 936 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 1: is we won ten games last year and barely missed 937 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,720 Speaker 1: the playoffs. And everybody was pumped up with two huge drafts, 938 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: as you know, in a lot of it because of 939 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,799 Speaker 1: the Texans and the Laramie Tunsil for two ones and 940 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,280 Speaker 1: two twos. So we've been loaded down with five ones 941 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,799 Speaker 1: over two drafts and four second round picks. So that 942 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,040 Speaker 1: can really turn things around. So I think people are 943 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 1: really excited about maybe some quick development as some of 944 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: these young guys getting will Fuller the speech ster, oh 945 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 1: by the way, to play for you guys, yep. And 946 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,879 Speaker 1: and it just hasn't worked out. None of the things 947 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 1: I just mentioned have worked out for the Miami Dolphins. 948 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 1: I call it to be nice here, slow developing two 949 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,759 Speaker 1: rookie classes the last two draft classes, very slow developing 950 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: to be nice. And the second very frustrating part of 951 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 1: this whole thing has has been Will Fuller with a 952 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,839 Speaker 1: finger is going to miss again this week, and I 953 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,480 Speaker 1: think everybody thought he'd be back after three games, and 954 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,440 Speaker 1: this will be his fifth game out. So it's been 955 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,759 Speaker 1: real frustrating. He had to suspension, he had a game 956 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 1: he took off for personal reasons, so we barely know 957 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,280 Speaker 1: will Fuller at this point. He missed all the camp. 958 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,160 Speaker 1: Can't make all that up. Yeah, and he would be 959 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,959 Speaker 1: a big plus for two. I know these two teams 960 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,240 Speaker 1: have been linked to all the trade rumors and everything, 961 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: but let's talk about the quarterback the Dolphins currently have. 962 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: How is two A doing? What does he need to 963 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: do to develop better, to get better improved in this league? Hey, Mark, 964 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something. Since coming back from his 965 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 1: Chritz Crack ribs, I gotta tell you I've been impressed. 966 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 1: I really have, considering he doesn't have a very good 967 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,920 Speaker 1: offensive line at this point. Let's let's be real honest. 968 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,040 Speaker 1: Can't run, block and pass protection has been right there 969 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,879 Speaker 1: with it. It's been a struggling starting five. A lot 970 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,480 Speaker 1: of them young guys, a lot of a lot of them, 971 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: you know, or some of those draft classes. I just 972 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 1: talked about the last the last two. So what I 973 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 1: think two is really at times played really well. He's 974 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,359 Speaker 1: had one or two throws that he'd like to have 975 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 1: back in Jacksonville and then back home against Atlanta. But 976 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,240 Speaker 1: he's made a lot of good throws and he's gotten 977 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,840 Speaker 1: a lot better. But the point is, without getting in 978 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,080 Speaker 1: the hold Deshaun Watson thing that I'm sure you guys 979 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: are getting tired of with all that talk and what 980 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,399 Speaker 1: he has had to put up with over the last 981 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: two weeks, nobody's talked football. Everybody's asked him things around 982 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, how you feel about the team? Obviously interested 983 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,160 Speaker 1: in Deshaun Watson. What's it tell you? What's it mean? 984 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: So so the guys blocked that out and played considering 985 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,680 Speaker 1: he's dealt with that, I think pretty good football and 986 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: considering what he's got around him to work with. Yeah, 987 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,040 Speaker 1: when you look at the performances and some of the throws, 988 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 1: Joe and you're right having to answer those questions and 989 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,799 Speaker 1: is this possible that hey, he could be a really 990 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,880 Speaker 1: good quarterback and they could think highly of him or 991 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,839 Speaker 1: well enough but Watson is just that good. Is all 992 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,560 Speaker 1: that possible? Can both things? I think I think if 993 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,640 Speaker 1: we could cut through what Chris Greer, who talked today, 994 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,319 Speaker 1: the general manager talked for the Miami Dolphins, I think 995 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,120 Speaker 1: that's that's the whole thing. The thing is without coming 996 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 1: right out and saying what you just said, look it, 997 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,800 Speaker 1: no matter what two is gonna be, we know it. 998 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,439 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson already is and he's a young guy. And 999 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,440 Speaker 1: if he gets all these legal problems taken care of 1000 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 1: and we can get him, of course this opens it 1001 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 1: up for a lot of other football teams. Again, but yeah, 1002 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,960 Speaker 1: I think that's it. But so because people ask me, so, 1003 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,520 Speaker 1: what's to his motivation knowing this is going on, Well, 1004 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,879 Speaker 1: first of all, he wants to show the whole league 1005 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,359 Speaker 1: that he can be a starting quarterback and a good one, 1006 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,960 Speaker 1: because if he's not starting here like Ryan Tannehill, he 1007 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,279 Speaker 1: wants to go to somewhere else and be a starting quarterback. 1008 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,719 Speaker 1: And so if nothing else, this is an audition the 1009 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,800 Speaker 1: rest of this year, not only for the Miami Dolphins, 1010 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,319 Speaker 1: but if they want to move him and they can 1011 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,200 Speaker 1: get something, by the way, don't be so, don't be 1012 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,000 Speaker 1: too surprised if he's not the starting quarterback again next 1013 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,800 Speaker 1: year until they get this thing figured out. But I 1014 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,239 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised to see him back, but he'll be 1015 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,160 Speaker 1: super motivated. People. Ah, the poor guy's going through this, 1016 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,000 Speaker 1: and that what's motivating him. He wants to show the 1017 00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,000 Speaker 1: league that he can play. There's a lot of teams 1018 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,120 Speaker 1: gonna be looking for quarter backs. Dolphins color commentator w 1019 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,239 Speaker 1: QAM morning host and former Miami tight end Joe Rose 1020 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,600 Speaker 1: joining us on Texans Radio here. You mentioned Tannehill. So 1021 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,879 Speaker 1: the Titans are in our division and Tannehill looks really good. 1022 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,879 Speaker 1: Of course, Derrick Henry is a huge part of that. 1023 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,319 Speaker 1: But what do you make of what Tannehill is doing? Now? 1024 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,480 Speaker 1: I know it wasn't bone dry there. You had a 1025 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,560 Speaker 1: playoff season with him and some success, But what do 1026 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 1: you think of what Ryan Tannehill is these days? I 1027 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,280 Speaker 1: think he got with a better team with better talent 1028 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,440 Speaker 1: around him, starting with a better offensive line, and that 1029 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,640 Speaker 1: guy that was that was running behind him, Derrick Henry 1030 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 1: that I'm convinced about half the league defensively doesn't want 1031 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 1: to tackle him anyway when he gets running. But I 1032 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,399 Speaker 1: think Ryan has really had a chance to shine, got 1033 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: a new contract, got a front line contract that's really 1034 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,000 Speaker 1: going to set him up. I think he was about 1035 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,880 Speaker 1: to prove something. This was more about the Miami Dolphins 1036 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,880 Speaker 1: or system and what I was playing him with and 1037 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,960 Speaker 1: not about me. And I think he's been able to 1038 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,200 Speaker 1: prove that to the National Football League. I think he's 1039 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 1: a really good quarterback. I don't think he's top elite, 1040 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,439 Speaker 1: but I think he's a really good starting quarterback. Are 1041 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,040 Speaker 1: you with me that Derrick Henry is probably the MVP 1042 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,160 Speaker 1: of the league last year and maybe this year, because look, 1043 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,840 Speaker 1: you could pick five six quarterbacks. They're great. All the 1044 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,200 Speaker 1: great quarterbacks are extremely valuable. It's hard to pick the 1045 00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,719 Speaker 1: most valuable one. But Henry means more to his team 1046 00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:33,880 Speaker 1: than any other non quarterback in the NFL one hundred percent. 1047 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,120 Speaker 1: And I think they're gonna find out. I think they're 1048 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,640 Speaker 1: going to find that out. He's almost at a thousand 1049 00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,560 Speaker 1: yards mark already for this year. He's had a two 1050 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,920 Speaker 1: thousand yards season. Again, I've seen a lot of yapping, 1051 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,799 Speaker 1: really good physical defenses, and I'm convinced a lot of 1052 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,239 Speaker 1: guys made business decisions and didn't want to tackle him 1053 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,200 Speaker 1: one on one. Or win. No hurry. Either that or 1054 00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,400 Speaker 1: he got a lot faster because I'm watching him outrun 1055 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,040 Speaker 1: a lot of guys that are given it the old 1056 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,120 Speaker 1: arms special that don't look like they're really interested. Do 1057 00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,160 Speaker 1: I really want to try to tackle that two hundred 1058 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,000 Speaker 1: and fifty pound guy who can run? All right, Joe, 1059 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,960 Speaker 1: what's happening on defense for the Dolphins. The numbers are 1060 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 1: not pretty to say the least. And this is a 1061 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,640 Speaker 1: Texan saying that the Texans have been struggling in that 1062 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,880 Speaker 1: department as well. They look good through a couple of quarters, 1063 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,960 Speaker 1: maybe two and a half up to three quarters, but 1064 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,120 Speaker 1: then in the fourth quarter kind of breaks down what's 1065 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:28,880 Speaker 1: been going on with the Dolphins on that side of 1066 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,320 Speaker 1: the football. The run defense has actually gotten a little better. 1067 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,520 Speaker 1: The pass rush is just not good enough. We added 1068 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,440 Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips, one of those first round picks when we 1069 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,200 Speaker 1: first started this conversation, not making an impact yet from 1070 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:49,640 Speaker 1: the University of Miami. Needs a lot of work, and 1071 00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,359 Speaker 1: so I'm not sure he has a coach that can 1072 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,359 Speaker 1: help him with the work he needs. By the way, 1073 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,640 Speaker 1: with hands and leverage and all the things that great 1074 00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,400 Speaker 1: pass rushers need to do. So the pass us just 1075 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,560 Speaker 1: hasn't been there. And I just have noticed when quarterbacks, 1076 00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,280 Speaker 1: all of them, and we have seen Trevor Lawrence recently, 1077 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,240 Speaker 1: we have seen Mattie Ice now, we've you know, we've 1078 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,640 Speaker 1: seen them all and Josh Allen last week. When those 1079 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,080 Speaker 1: guys have time to throw, they are chewing us up 1080 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,319 Speaker 1: and so we blitz the blitz is haven't always got 1081 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,760 Speaker 1: there on time either. So I think the biggest problem, 1082 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,399 Speaker 1: shockingly is our secondary has not been as good as 1083 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,200 Speaker 1: I thought it would be. And saying that when you 1084 00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,360 Speaker 1: don't have a pass rush, anybody, as you know, any 1085 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,239 Speaker 1: starting quarterback in the NFL can chew up a secondary 1086 00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,080 Speaker 1: if you can't get there after a while. All right, Joe, 1087 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,759 Speaker 1: I did a bunch of shows with you when I 1088 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,719 Speaker 1: lived in South Florida, but I never got to ask 1089 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,640 Speaker 1: you questions like this, So I'm gonna go for it 1090 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,360 Speaker 1: right now. What was it like to play for coach Shula, 1091 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,520 Speaker 1: the most successful coach in the history of this league? 1092 00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,960 Speaker 1: Very intimidating, coming right out of cal Berkeley, I'll start 1093 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,640 Speaker 1: with that. Very intimidating. When I got here, everybody said, hey, 1094 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,800 Speaker 1: welcome to plan for the toughest coach in the NFL. 1095 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,759 Speaker 1: So that wasn't exactly what I wanted to hear when 1096 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,920 Speaker 1: I got off the plane as a draft pick for 1097 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:17,480 Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. But man, he was just It was 1098 00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,040 Speaker 1: unbelievable because of his track record. Because I was aware 1099 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,320 Speaker 1: when I got there and still had a few guys 1100 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,759 Speaker 1: on the undefeated football team I played with, I got 1101 00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:31,760 Speaker 1: it real quickly that this guy was a frontline discipline coach, 1102 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,320 Speaker 1: believed in doing things the right way, not making mental mistakes, 1103 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:41,200 Speaker 1: don't beat yourself, and in the old school of really 1104 00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:45,560 Speaker 1: tough practices. He had two of them every day, but 1105 00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:51,359 Speaker 1: probably the exact and right coach being a little while 1106 00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 1: coming out of Berkeley that I needed to play for 1107 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,759 Speaker 1: that really helped me and now and I never thought 1108 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,600 Speaker 1: I was gonna be that guy Mark, but now I 1109 00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,440 Speaker 1: do some of the same things he and I cass 1110 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,520 Speaker 1: myself as an old guy. That's like at events early 1111 00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,520 Speaker 1: and getting mad when other people aren't early, because he 1112 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,280 Speaker 1: just his biggest pet peeve was if you were late, 1113 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,920 Speaker 1: and I mean one minute, it was just disrespectful. I 1114 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,080 Speaker 1: don't know if you want to be on this. I 1115 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,920 Speaker 1: mean he could he could in the old school of 1116 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,360 Speaker 1: the NFL he got his point across by the way 1117 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,040 Speaker 1: he coached and his rules and regulations. I think what 1118 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,719 Speaker 1: stands out to me is the versatility, right because you 1119 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,239 Speaker 1: played in that forty one thirty eight overtime to the 1120 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,560 Speaker 1: Chargers when he went to Don Strock after starting David Woodley, 1121 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,600 Speaker 1: and then you look at the Super Bowl season with Woodley, 1122 00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,319 Speaker 1: and then a couple of years later you have Dan 1123 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,800 Speaker 1: Marino going to a Super Bowl with a completely different 1124 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:53,040 Speaker 1: set of circumstances offense, everything, the team identity had completely changed. 1125 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,880 Speaker 1: But he doesn't what about that part of him? Mark, 1126 00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,360 Speaker 1: That's a great point. And I can never get anything 1127 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,120 Speaker 1: by you because I forgot you were down here in 1128 00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,440 Speaker 1: South Florida for so long. But you break up. You 1129 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,840 Speaker 1: bring up a great point. So the undefeated Miami Dolphins 1130 00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:12,200 Speaker 1: with Mercury Morris, Larry Zoncain Jim kick one of the 1131 00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:16,200 Speaker 1: great running games in the history of the National Football League. 1132 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,120 Speaker 1: I mean, even though they had Paul Warfield on the outside, 1133 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,520 Speaker 1: it was about running the football and pounding you. Going 1134 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,120 Speaker 1: back to some of those Super Bowls and then to 1135 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:31,840 Speaker 1: watch him actually when he got Dan Marino, it was 1136 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,200 Speaker 1: incredible that like he just he made changes late in 1137 00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:40,279 Speaker 1: his coaching career and said, I got a special player here. 1138 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,560 Speaker 1: Get me Clayton, Mark Clayton, get me Mark Duper, Get 1139 00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,960 Speaker 1: me players that can catch the ball. He drafted guys. 1140 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,319 Speaker 1: He always made sure Dan Marino had weapons, and he said, 1141 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,839 Speaker 1: he gives us a chance no matter what we have defensively, 1142 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,399 Speaker 1: gives us a chance to win every Sunday when you've 1143 00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,760 Speaker 1: got Dan Marino. And they won a lot of football 1144 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,920 Speaker 1: games together, came up short and one Super Bowl. But yeah, 1145 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,560 Speaker 1: I think it was one of the greatest things that 1146 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:12,960 Speaker 1: coach Hula did was changing his mindset from a run 1147 00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:17,200 Speaker 1: heavy team to a pass heavy team, because for coach 1148 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,480 Speaker 1: Ula wasn't about egos, about winning football games. Joe Rose 1149 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,160 Speaker 1: from WQAM in Miami joining us in. Joe, I know 1150 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,920 Speaker 1: in your show you talk about all football. So last year, 1151 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,000 Speaker 1: Derrick King goes to the University of Miami and they 1152 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,560 Speaker 1: have a pretty good year and prospects are good for 1153 00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,120 Speaker 1: a nice twenty twenty one, but not going so hot. 1154 00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:39,200 Speaker 1: Goodwin last week. What's going on with my Canes? Yeah, 1155 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,480 Speaker 1: the Canes. By the way, Derrick King one of the 1156 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,080 Speaker 1: classiest kids. I couldn't call him a kid. He's not 1157 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:49,080 Speaker 1: a kid anymore, young man I've ever been around. Incredible. 1158 00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,040 Speaker 1: I get why everybody has such great things to say 1159 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,840 Speaker 1: about him. Another injury though, he's been beaten up, so 1160 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,720 Speaker 1: he's out. Ye man. He has been on a little 1161 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,920 Speaker 1: bit of a hot seat down here because it wasn't 1162 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,400 Speaker 1: what it was supposed to be. And then in the 1163 00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,160 Speaker 1: last couple of weeks they've started to play a lot better. 1164 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,760 Speaker 1: They've got Van Dyk quarterback, a young quarterback who took over. 1165 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:15,800 Speaker 1: We could see it right from week one in the 1166 00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,800 Speaker 1: second half and then the second half, really good in 1167 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,200 Speaker 1: the second game, and then the last two weeks has 1168 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,680 Speaker 1: just played like he's been around forever in college football. 1169 00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,080 Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you, Mark, the great, the great 1170 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,959 Speaker 1: days of the national championships or losing in a national championship, 1171 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,640 Speaker 1: they're over. I mean, we are way way behind that. 1172 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,040 Speaker 1: It's about trying to figure out how to win the 1173 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:44,440 Speaker 1: Coastal Division in the ACC. When you were here, you 1174 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,360 Speaker 1: were you were there, and you got to see some 1175 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,560 Speaker 1: of the greatest teams. By the way, now that we 1176 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,560 Speaker 1: look back, some of the greatest teams in the history 1177 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,400 Speaker 1: of college football and all those guys, and I know 1178 00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,720 Speaker 1: you've had some of them, like Andre Johnson had been 1179 00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,560 Speaker 1: a big part of the Texans. I know they drafted 1180 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,919 Speaker 1: a lot of those guys. At one point, I think 1181 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:06,000 Speaker 1: you had four or five Miami Hurricanes, Yeah, on the roster, 1182 00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,960 Speaker 1: some really good players. So you know what it looks 1183 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,880 Speaker 1: like in all those first round picks they had. And 1184 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,040 Speaker 1: now it's Alabama doing most of that. But they got 1185 00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,760 Speaker 1: some work. They got to make a decision on the 1186 00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,800 Speaker 1: head coach. We'll see how they play the rest of 1187 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,240 Speaker 1: the year. Now that they're back at two and two 1188 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:27,120 Speaker 1: in the ACC. They've got Georgia Tech this Saturday, all right. 1189 00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,440 Speaker 1: So you want a great stat from this particular matchup 1190 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,000 Speaker 1: between the Texans and the Dolphins, you look at Lamar 1191 00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:38,880 Speaker 1: Miller has had huge games for each team against the other, right, 1192 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,560 Speaker 1: Because you had the Dolphins blowing out the Texans in 1193 00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,720 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen in South Florida, the only Miami win in 1194 00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,760 Speaker 1: this series. And you had, of course Lamar Miller and 1195 00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,400 Speaker 1: the Texans victorious in twenty eighteen against the Dolphins at 1196 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,000 Speaker 1: NRG Stadium. It's it's pretty interesting what Lamar has been 1197 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,240 Speaker 1: able to do. But and you mentioned Andre Johnson, he 1198 00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,680 Speaker 1: always had big games against the Dolphins, and I'm really 1199 00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,440 Speaker 1: looking forward to going down there. It seems like we 1200 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,040 Speaker 1: play a lot, but it's mostly here. It's only the 1201 01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,440 Speaker 1: fourth trip of the Texans to Miami. You know you're right, 1202 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,400 Speaker 1: and I believe, if if I'm not mistaken, the first 1203 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,640 Speaker 1: year of the Texans, and I may be off on 1204 01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,760 Speaker 1: this if they come down and beat the Miami Dolphins 1205 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,560 Speaker 1: when they were like a second year at half point underdogs, 1206 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,320 Speaker 1: second year, second year opening day, Andre Johnson's debut, and 1207 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:23,800 Speaker 1: you know this, I mean that was back when the 1208 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,880 Speaker 1: Dolphins were unbeatable in September at home. You just never 1209 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:31,080 Speaker 1: lost in the Super Bowl era. And for some reason, 1210 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,880 Speaker 1: it's funny because you built the practice bubble and then 1211 01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,160 Speaker 1: the record got worse in September at home. I don't 1212 01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:37,640 Speaker 1: know if that has anything to do with the show. 1213 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,720 Speaker 1: So much for players not getting burned out because of 1214 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,479 Speaker 1: all the heat and all that stuff, so much for that. Yeah, 1215 01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,800 Speaker 1: I'm not so sure how I feel about those indoor 1216 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,120 Speaker 1: facilities when it's nice out. Yeah, exactly. All right, Joe, 1217 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:51,960 Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us, and we look forward 1218 01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,680 Speaker 1: to see you on Sunday. Mark. I can't wait, man, hopefully, Well, 1219 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,439 Speaker 1: I'll listen. I'm sure it's gonna be a really good game. Yes, 1220 01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:03,840 Speaker 1: somebody's gonna win. It's gonna be nice. All right, thanks, Okay, 1221 01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,280 Speaker 1: I always cringe when I hear that somebody's gonna win. 1222 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,880 Speaker 1: In the NFL, that's not a guarantee. Now in college 1223 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,680 Speaker 1: it is because you'll play, as Illinois Penn State found 1224 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:16,080 Speaker 1: out a million overtimes, not always the case in the NFL. 1225 01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:20,640 Speaker 1: Could be a tie. Oh god, please not a tie. 1226 01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,560 Speaker 1: Just not a tie. All right, we get back. It's 1227 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,680 Speaker 1: a little Wednesday where they now with their good friend 1228 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,120 Speaker 1: Joel Dresen. Drew Doherty interviewed the former Texans tight end 1229 01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:36,280 Speaker 1: that'll be next on Texans All Access. Yes, yes, loocome 1230 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,000 Speaker 1: back this Wednesday, did of Texans All Access from Monday 1231 01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,160 Speaker 1: Texans Radio Studio. I'm your host, John Harris and a 1232 01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,720 Speaker 1: big fan of our friends over a Mattress firm for 1233 01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,520 Speaker 1: a number of different reasons. This is a big one though. 1234 01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:52,280 Speaker 1: Mattress Firm is giving away two tickets, custom jerseys, Tarrasco's 1235 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:56,560 Speaker 1: club passes, and parking to two lucky fans each week. 1236 01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:01,080 Speaker 1: Visit Houston Texas dot com slash Dream Big Experience to 1237 01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,440 Speaker 1: enter to Win. That's Houston Texans dot Com slash Dream 1238 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:09,760 Speaker 1: Big Experience to Enter to Win. All right, it's Wednesday, 1239 01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,400 Speaker 1: and I love a literation, So how about a little 1240 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:17,480 Speaker 1: Wednesday Where are they now? Yes, Drew Doherty about twice 1241 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,240 Speaker 1: a week, I think spend some time with some former 1242 01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,520 Speaker 1: Texans and this week he had a chance catch up 1243 01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,080 Speaker 1: with the guy that I got to know really well 1244 01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,760 Speaker 1: before I became a Texans employee, and that was Joel Dreeson. 1245 01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,400 Speaker 1: This is some fun stuff catching up with Joel Dreeson 1246 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,600 Speaker 1: on a Wednesday. Where are they now? It's great to 1247 01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,000 Speaker 1: see you, man. You got this awesome set up here. 1248 01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,760 Speaker 1: It's not one of those backgrounds. Where are you these days? 1249 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,680 Speaker 1: What are you doing? You played for the Texans from 1250 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,520 Speaker 1: two thousand and six through twenty eleven. Before that, you 1251 01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,600 Speaker 1: were in New York with the Jets. After that a 1252 01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,400 Speaker 1: couple of years with the Bronx, back home in your 1253 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,400 Speaker 1: home state of Colorado. But what's going on these days? 1254 01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,640 Speaker 1: My friend? Oh, what's going on is I'm I'm a 1255 01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:59,360 Speaker 1: good uber driver. I have an eleven year old son 1256 01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,000 Speaker 1: and a nine year old daughter, and we are in 1257 01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,000 Speaker 1: the thickest things as parents as far as running around 1258 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:08,360 Speaker 1: to the parent teacher conferences and fundraisers and sports practices 1259 01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:12,160 Speaker 1: and pizza parties and things like that. So full time 1260 01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:16,240 Speaker 1: dad mostly, but we have We live in Castle Rock, Colorado, 1261 01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,400 Speaker 1: full time. Okay, little on thirty five acres here and 1262 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,920 Speaker 1: absolutely love it. It It was the most beautiful morning here, 1263 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,160 Speaker 1: truly it was. It's a little little brisk outside, the 1264 01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,760 Speaker 1: leads are all changed in fifty degrees and just sonny 1265 01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,240 Speaker 1: and warm. It was. It was really beautiful. And then 1266 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,000 Speaker 1: we also have a cattle ranch just east of Amarillo, Texans. 1267 01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,720 Speaker 1: So between the two places and young kids, I am, 1268 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,120 Speaker 1: I am plenty busy. Yeah, okay, let's talk about the kids, 1269 01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,920 Speaker 1: because a lot of guys from your generation of the 1270 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,240 Speaker 1: Texans are coaching flag football. You know, if you follow 1271 01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,240 Speaker 1: people on Instagram, you see Brian Cushing out there with 1272 01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,640 Speaker 1: a bunch of a bunch of like nine ten year olds, 1273 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,760 Speaker 1: and they're a bunch of little bit My team would 1274 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:57,040 Speaker 1: get smoked by Cushing and Balt. Seriously, those boys are 1275 01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:01,400 Speaker 1: so fast. I could use the defensive coordinator and Kevin Walter, 1276 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,240 Speaker 1: former Texas wide receiver, is the offensive coordinator. I mean, 1277 01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,560 Speaker 1: it's just like these two hulks and a bunch of 1278 01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,600 Speaker 1: little kids. It looks hilarious, man, it looks so fun. 1279 01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:11,920 Speaker 1: And those are two of my favorite teammates of all 1280 01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,160 Speaker 1: time too, Kevin Walter and Brian Cushing. The fact that 1281 01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,640 Speaker 1: they have teamed up and are reporting in the youth 1282 01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,600 Speaker 1: of the community. How cool is that? It's natural, inn't it. 1283 01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just seeing those those photos, it just 1284 01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:26,880 Speaker 1: takes you back. Man, it's hilarious. So let's rewind. Let's 1285 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,960 Speaker 1: go all the way back. You grew up in the 1286 01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:33,080 Speaker 1: state of Colorado. All states selection want a state title, 1287 01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:37,280 Speaker 1: You're awesome. You go to Colorado State. Congratulations, by the way, 1288 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,880 Speaker 1: or in order. You made their Hall of Fame, their 1289 01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,439 Speaker 1: Hall of Honor earlier the season, the Athletic Hall of Honor. 1290 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,120 Speaker 1: You're an all time great. Ram Another one who's also 1291 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,800 Speaker 1: in there, David Anderson. We did this podcast earlier. He 1292 01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,720 Speaker 1: tipped it off about that and reminded everybody, and he's 1293 01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,520 Speaker 1: so proud of you. But tell me about getting into 1294 01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,040 Speaker 1: that Hall of Honor and what that meant to you. 1295 01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,640 Speaker 1: I mean, that must have been the thrill of a lifetime. Huh, 1296 01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,040 Speaker 1: it really was. It was something that was was not expected. 1297 01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,400 Speaker 1: I mean, just with COVID and everything in the whole 1298 01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,160 Speaker 1: year that they had prior, I didn't even know they 1299 01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,120 Speaker 1: were going to have a Hall of Fame ceremony or 1300 01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,360 Speaker 1: induction this year. So the athletic director called me up 1301 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,040 Speaker 1: about middle of July and I said, Hey, we want 1302 01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,120 Speaker 1: to induct you indoor Hall of Fame this year. I was, 1303 01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,040 Speaker 1: I was. I was brought to tears because I mean, 1304 01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,959 Speaker 1: you see it all the time on NFL network. When 1305 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,680 Speaker 1: you know that David Baker doesn't knock on the hotel 1306 01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,800 Speaker 1: room door like that, that's a big deal for those 1307 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,280 Speaker 1: guys to to live on forever in the NFL Hall 1308 01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,280 Speaker 1: of Fame. That's that's as cool as it gets, right, 1309 01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,720 Speaker 1: And so I always wanted a cool moment like that. Obviously, 1310 01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,920 Speaker 1: Canton's not going to be carving out any bust of 1311 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:42,000 Speaker 1: me anytime soon, but for me to be recognized like 1312 01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,240 Speaker 1: that by Colorado State, it meant a great deal to 1313 01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:48,560 Speaker 1: me because hey, I love Colorado State, okay, b I 1314 01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,640 Speaker 1: love football. I always love football, and it was very 1315 01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:55,560 Speaker 1: important to me during my time there to to be good, 1316 01:05:55,720 --> 01:06:00,400 Speaker 1: to be better, to help them be recognized, and mostly 1317 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:04,240 Speaker 1: just play ball, right, And I loved it. So just 1318 01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,640 Speaker 1: really awesome. Honored to be associated with them forever. Yeah, 1319 01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,280 Speaker 1: And I mean most of us have a great time 1320 01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,320 Speaker 1: in college, whether we're college football players or just regular students, 1321 01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,280 Speaker 1: So I imagine that kind of plays into it as well. 1322 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,680 Speaker 1: It makes it all the more special. Thing. I tell 1323 01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,000 Speaker 1: people this all the time. I tell people I would 1324 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,040 Speaker 1: trade every dollar I earned in the NFL to go 1325 01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,560 Speaker 1: start college over again. It was so much fun, really 1326 01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,080 Speaker 1: like living with your teammates and your boys and off 1327 01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:33,320 Speaker 1: campus house and grinding away going to school and practice 1328 01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,840 Speaker 1: and winning ball games. That's there's nothing like it, nothing 1329 01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,280 Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, so you went back, I guess you're 1330 01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,320 Speaker 1: honored at halftime of a game and had a whole 1331 01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,040 Speaker 1: weekend of it earlier this year, put me up in 1332 01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,960 Speaker 1: a nice hotel in town and took care of myself 1333 01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,600 Speaker 1: and my family, included us in the game, and yeah, 1334 01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:53,200 Speaker 1: we got recognized in between I think the first and 1335 01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,320 Speaker 1: second quarters. It was it was a great CSU event, 1336 01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,440 Speaker 1: let's put it that way. That's cool, that's cool. You know, 1337 01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,200 Speaker 1: we joked with David Anderson that he was part of 1338 01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,880 Speaker 1: the CSU mafia when you're here on the Texans, because 1339 01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:07,120 Speaker 1: it was you, it was him, Mike Brizell, a few 1340 01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,480 Speaker 1: others that were representing nicely. Cecil Sapp was on that 1341 01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,560 Speaker 1: squad for a while too, So there was four guys 1342 01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,120 Speaker 1: on the active roster of the fifty three. There were 1343 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,880 Speaker 1: Colorado State Rams, myself, Mike Grizel, David Anderson, and cecil Sap. 1344 01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,800 Speaker 1: That's that's cool. Yeah, and uh, I mean shoot, it 1345 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,800 Speaker 1: rivaled the Miami Hurricanes almost and it's kind of like, well, 1346 01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,560 Speaker 1: one I can understand, the other's sort of sort of different, 1347 01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,320 Speaker 1: but you know, it was cool. Tell me about coach 1348 01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,840 Speaker 1: Koubiak always said, when in doubt, go with a CSU 1349 01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:37,600 Speaker 1: guy for talents, neck and neck. Choose the CSU guy 1350 01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,440 Speaker 1: because he's gonna work harder, no doubt, no doubt. So 1351 01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,720 Speaker 1: tell me about draft day. You know, back in two 1352 01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,480 Speaker 1: thousand and five, Ye, what's that like for you? I 1353 01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,200 Speaker 1: mean it was back then it was Saturday Sunday. You know, 1354 01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,040 Speaker 1: what did you think of the pre draft process? Were 1355 01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,920 Speaker 1: you like, I'm getting picked, no, no problem, will probably 1356 01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,680 Speaker 1: be this rounder. Were you kind of wondering what it 1357 01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,080 Speaker 1: was going to be like? What was your experience in 1358 01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:01,360 Speaker 1: the run up to it? Now? What was it like 1359 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,160 Speaker 1: on draft day for you. Yeah, great question. I mean, 1360 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,560 Speaker 1: unless you go number one overall, I think you're always 1361 01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:11,320 Speaker 1: kind of disappointed and where you're selected. Yeah, that's just 1362 01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:12,960 Speaker 1: the way of it. I was hoping to be a 1363 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:14,840 Speaker 1: first day pick, like I was really. At the end 1364 01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,880 Speaker 1: of the third round, I wanted to be chosen so bad, 1365 01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,559 Speaker 1: and the Broncos were selecting, and I was like, oh, 1366 01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,240 Speaker 1: this could be it. Come on, please please, And the 1367 01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,519 Speaker 1: last pick of the third round they chose Maurice Claret, 1368 01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,360 Speaker 1: the running back out of Ohio State, and right, God, 1369 01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,120 Speaker 1: bless his heart, like he's changed his life round. He's amazing. 1370 01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,559 Speaker 1: But if there was ever a player with like a 1371 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,720 Speaker 1: bunch of red flags that says do not draft, I 1372 01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,599 Speaker 1: feel like that would have been him. And then they 1373 01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,800 Speaker 1: didn't choose me. I was like, oh, come on. And 1374 01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,120 Speaker 1: so fifth round, and finally at the end of the 1375 01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:42,960 Speaker 1: sixth round, the Jets, who had show him the most 1376 01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,680 Speaker 1: kind of pre draft interest in me, finally called me 1377 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,200 Speaker 1: up when like, hey, we're gonna take you. I think 1378 01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,920 Speaker 1: it was one eight overall, same pick as Tom Brady 1379 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,080 Speaker 1: or one ninety nine, one of the two. Wow, And 1380 01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,719 Speaker 1: so I was disappointed. I was hoping to be selected 1381 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,679 Speaker 1: higher but at that point it don't matter. You got 1382 01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,519 Speaker 1: to go make a squad and go learn how to 1383 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,120 Speaker 1: be a pro and all those things. So it was 1384 01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,320 Speaker 1: a little bit. I wouldn't I wouldn't say bitter sweet. 1385 01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,439 Speaker 1: You still get drafted. It's an incredible blessing to be drafted. Um, 1386 01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:11,200 Speaker 1: but you always want to go a little higher as all. 1387 01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,000 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, it's really interesting you say that you 1388 01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,120 Speaker 1: kind of thought that, or you had had so much 1389 01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:18,840 Speaker 1: contact with them, because a lot of times we hear 1390 01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,040 Speaker 1: the exact opposite, like this team picked me and I 1391 01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,639 Speaker 1: hadn't even spoken with them at all in the whole process. 1392 01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,680 Speaker 1: It's it's kind of fun to see the juxtaposition. And 1393 01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,479 Speaker 1: I'm talking like first round, I'm talking seventh round. I 1394 01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,040 Speaker 1: mean it varies for a lot of guys. You know, 1395 01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,600 Speaker 1: was there any discussion with the Texans back then? Do 1396 01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,639 Speaker 1: you remember, you know, five, because oh, I get this. Yeah, 1397 01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,439 Speaker 1: so the Jets had just called we're gonna take you 1398 01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,880 Speaker 1: with this next pick, and like literally the Texans deep 1399 01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:44,680 Speaker 1: in I'm like, hello, hey, this is the Texas. We're 1400 01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,080 Speaker 1: gonna take you with our seventh round pick. I'm like, well, 1401 01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:48,439 Speaker 1: I think the Jets are gonna take me, so you 1402 01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:52,040 Speaker 1: might won't trade up, and um, I think they didn't 1403 01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:57,720 Speaker 1: care at that point. So yeah, so I did have 1404 01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,639 Speaker 1: some contact with the Texans throughout the draft process. Yeah, 1405 01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,639 Speaker 1: and folks, I don't know if folks watch are listening, realize, 1406 01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,200 Speaker 1: I mean Texans changed coaches during that you know, for 1407 01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,479 Speaker 1: the time you got drafted at the time you got here, 1408 01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,080 Speaker 1: but a lot of times the coach or the scouting 1409 01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:14,320 Speaker 1: staffs largely remain the same. So there were guys who 1410 01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,640 Speaker 1: remembered you, and we're probably chirping in Kubiak's here and 1411 01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,360 Speaker 1: Rick Smith's here and so on and so forth the 1412 01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,400 Speaker 1: next year when you come to Houston. But what was 1413 01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,599 Speaker 1: it like? Things didn't work out with the Jets, obviously, 1414 01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,599 Speaker 1: But how was the process of coming to Houston for 1415 01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:32,479 Speaker 1: you as a free agent? Yeah, well they wanted me, 1416 01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,799 Speaker 1: so great, great story. So I played in fourteen games 1417 01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:37,760 Speaker 1: my rookie year with the Jets, right, and then the 1418 01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:42,400 Speaker 1: following year, Eric Mangini becomes our head coach. And there 1419 01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:43,880 Speaker 1: was a rule back then that if you played in 1420 01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:47,599 Speaker 1: so many games as a rookie or at any pop moment, 1421 01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,000 Speaker 1: you weren't allowed to be on a practice squad ever again, right, 1422 01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,280 Speaker 1: So I played two many games, so obviously got to 1423 01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,479 Speaker 1: the end of oh six training camp and Mangini didn't 1424 01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,679 Speaker 1: like me, and I get cut, right, So I spend 1425 01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,120 Speaker 1: the whole two thousand and six seasons out of football. 1426 01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,840 Speaker 1: Every Tuesday, I'd fly to a different city, go do 1427 01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,320 Speaker 1: a workout, and you know, teams would kind of tell 1428 01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,280 Speaker 1: me the same thing that we love you. You're at 1429 01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:09,800 Speaker 1: the top of our list, but you know we don't 1430 01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,400 Speaker 1: have a roster spot for you right now. Okay. So 1431 01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:13,920 Speaker 1: finally I get to the end of the two thousand 1432 01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,320 Speaker 1: and sixth season and Tampa Bay is going to sign 1433 01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,080 Speaker 1: me and put me on their roster the last week 1434 01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,040 Speaker 1: of the game or the last week of the season. 1435 01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,080 Speaker 1: And then Rick Smith had a conversation with my agent, Hey, 1436 01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,799 Speaker 1: don't do that. We'll give him a signing bonus equivalent 1437 01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:27,720 Speaker 1: to what he would have made, you know, on the 1438 01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:32,200 Speaker 1: roster if he signs a future contract with us. Okay, 1439 01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,599 Speaker 1: So I did that, and then the idea was for 1440 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,840 Speaker 1: me to kind of be a long snapper kubiak one 1441 01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,880 Speaker 1: to save a roster spot. By having me long snap 1442 01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,679 Speaker 1: would potentially be a third tight end, second fullback type thing, 1443 01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,479 Speaker 1: but I was convinced I could still play tight end. 1444 01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,640 Speaker 1: So I just opened that training camp just buried on 1445 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,080 Speaker 1: the depth chart at tight end. I think I was 1446 01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,320 Speaker 1: fifth on the depth chart at tight end, and with 1447 01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,840 Speaker 1: the limited reps I got, I tried to make as 1448 01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,920 Speaker 1: many plays as I could and stand out and offensive 1449 01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,559 Speaker 1: accordinator Mike Sherman had time loved me, he thought I 1450 01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,640 Speaker 1: was He really stood up for me, and I'm very 1451 01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,200 Speaker 1: grateful for him. He helped me make that team and 1452 01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,280 Speaker 1: then ended up getting more and more reps at tight 1453 01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,639 Speaker 1: end and not so much on the long snapping duties. 1454 01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:16,320 Speaker 1: And then yeah, finally kind of gaining some traction in 1455 01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,639 Speaker 1: the two thousand and seventh season where I'm active every 1456 01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,600 Speaker 1: week and I have a uniform and I'm contributing on 1457 01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,160 Speaker 1: special teams and you know, getting twenty thirty plays a 1458 01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:27,000 Speaker 1: game on offense and things like that, and it just 1459 01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:30,439 Speaker 1: really my confidence took off. I believe that I belonged 1460 01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,439 Speaker 1: in the NFL again, and I'm just very grateful for 1461 01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,559 Speaker 1: Gary Kubiak and Mike Sherman, those guys believing in me. 1462 01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,800 Speaker 1: But the process of becoming a Texan, I would say, 1463 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,720 Speaker 1: was very humbling because the NFL booted me out, and 1464 01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:44,160 Speaker 1: I didn't know if they wanted me. I didn't know 1465 01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,360 Speaker 1: if I was good enough anymore. And so for me 1466 01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:50,799 Speaker 1: to morph into a pro and truly find my footing 1467 01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,080 Speaker 1: and Houston, that's how it came about. And it means 1468 01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:55,800 Speaker 1: a lot for me. You know, I don't want to 1469 01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:58,600 Speaker 1: make this too dark, But you talk about that that 1470 01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,880 Speaker 1: oh six year, How tough was that emotionally for you? Man? 1471 01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,080 Speaker 1: Like that? I can't imagine he played fourteen fifteen games 1472 01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,439 Speaker 1: like you met your sixteen almost would you say fourteen 1473 01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,599 Speaker 1: or fifteen a rookie? Yeah? And then you go to that, 1474 01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,519 Speaker 1: like what was that like for you? And you've been 1475 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,000 Speaker 1: all state, you're all your hell, you're in the Colorado 1476 01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,920 Speaker 1: State Hall of Fame. I mean you you clearly could 1477 01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:22,200 Speaker 1: play right, But I wasn't good. I wasn't good. I 1478 01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,040 Speaker 1: look back at like and watch film and myself as 1479 01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,439 Speaker 1: a rookie, or watch film, you know, in the preseason 1480 01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,240 Speaker 1: of OH six, and you're like, I deserved to get cut, really, 1481 01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,240 Speaker 1: But I didn't think I deserved to, like, not be 1482 01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,840 Speaker 1: on a roster at all. I did not deserve to 1483 01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:36,960 Speaker 1: make that team in New York. I'll admit that I 1484 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,600 Speaker 1: was not good enough yet, but that's sitting out. That 1485 01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:42,720 Speaker 1: was very humbling. I was like, oh my gosh, here 1486 01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:44,760 Speaker 1: I kind of had like my life mapped out a 1487 01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:48,960 Speaker 1: little bit um. And you know, God has a way 1488 01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:50,760 Speaker 1: of teaching you a lesson over and over and over 1489 01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,280 Speaker 1: again until you learn it. So I just think you 1490 01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,400 Speaker 1: wanted me to be patient, a little bit more humble, 1491 01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:59,640 Speaker 1: um rededicate my life. And that's exactly what I did. 1492 01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,400 Speaker 1: Know to Houston. I changed my diet, I had changed 1493 01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:06,040 Speaker 1: my sleep, I changed broke up with my girlfriend. I 1494 01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,040 Speaker 1: was all in on football, like literally, that was I 1495 01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,080 Speaker 1: would lived at the facility. That was the only thing 1496 01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,000 Speaker 1: that mattered to me. And I just showed up when 1497 01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,280 Speaker 1: I did the work and it worked out. Yeah, it's 1498 01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,839 Speaker 1: funny you say that about how you dedicated yourself to football, 1499 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,679 Speaker 1: because I remember, I can't remember what happened. I believe 1500 01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,600 Speaker 1: maybe it was it was Owen Daniels going down to 1501 01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:24,760 Speaker 1: O nine, but we were talking about how you were 1502 01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:26,600 Speaker 1: going to get more reps and we were doing a 1503 01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,799 Speaker 1: writing a story about that, and I interviewed David Anderson 1504 01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,720 Speaker 1: about it, and David said something along the lines of 1505 01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,920 Speaker 1: I don't worry about Joel at all, knowing the offense, 1506 01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:38,240 Speaker 1: he probably sleeps on the playbook instead of a pillow 1507 01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,519 Speaker 1: just so he can maybe get it gets smarter by 1508 01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,960 Speaker 1: osmosis at night. Like that's that's how how much he 1509 01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,559 Speaker 1: noticed your commitment to wanting to get better and wanted 1510 01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,439 Speaker 1: to improve all the time. Man, we had the best time, Okay. 1511 01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,519 Speaker 1: So two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, we 1512 01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:57,360 Speaker 1: talked about our our Colorado State RAM group in uh Houston. Right, 1513 01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:00,360 Speaker 1: So we lived together too, myself David Anderson. So we 1514 01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:04,880 Speaker 1: lived in the townhouse together and three truly unique personalities, 1515 01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:09,120 Speaker 1: none of them the same because anyways, go ahead, go ahead. 1516 01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,040 Speaker 1: But it's so much fun because it's just like college, 1517 01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,439 Speaker 1: except for you're on an NFL roster and you're you're 1518 01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,640 Speaker 1: making NFL money and life is really really good. And uh, 1519 01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:19,719 Speaker 1: I mean, those guys would come home and they would 1520 01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:21,680 Speaker 1: see me, you know, sitting there at my desktop with 1521 01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,200 Speaker 1: that playbook in front of me, because it was a lot. 1522 01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,400 Speaker 1: It was a lot to know too. I always said 1523 01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:28,519 Speaker 1: that the tight ends are the second smartest guys on 1524 01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,720 Speaker 1: the team after the quarterbacks. We have to know so much, 1525 01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:34,000 Speaker 1: we have to know route concepts, runs, protections, right, play 1526 01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:37,439 Speaker 1: all the special teams. Yeah, and to me, like it 1527 01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,280 Speaker 1: was just a lot to digest and then you got 1528 01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,840 Speaker 1: to make decisions that quick out on the field. So 1529 01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:43,840 Speaker 1: you have to know your stuff inside and out. And 1530 01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:45,800 Speaker 1: if I didn't look at it as much as I did, 1531 01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:49,120 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have had a chance. Yeah, and you you 1532 01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:50,920 Speaker 1: were a big contributor over those years that you were 1533 01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:54,360 Speaker 1: in Houston. What was it like, you know, seeing you 1534 01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,640 Speaker 1: know seven, you know you're coming in. You come in 1535 01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,760 Speaker 1: the same year as Matt Shaub and that that changed 1536 01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,800 Speaker 1: things for the franchise because oh seven, you hit five 1537 01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:04,640 Speaker 1: hundred for the first time. You do it again in 1538 01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,320 Speaker 1: oh eight, oh nine, you take a bump up and 1539 01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,120 Speaker 1: your winners at nine and seven. You know, the season 1540 01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,920 Speaker 1: ends and with the later games you still have a 1541 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:14,920 Speaker 1: chance to be in the playoffs. What was it like 1542 01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:18,960 Speaker 1: going from you weren't there when they were losing, but 1543 01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:23,519 Speaker 1: seeing and watching and being a part of them becoming winners. 1544 01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:27,400 Speaker 1: Eventually in eleven you go to the playoffs. Yeah, Drew, 1545 01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,640 Speaker 1: there was nothing that moment when Kevin Walter catches that 1546 01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:35,120 Speaker 1: game winner in Cincinnati right in twenty eleven, like it's 1547 01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:38,280 Speaker 1: given me chills thinking about it right now, because it 1548 01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,360 Speaker 1: was like the world had been lifted off. Our shoulders 1549 01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,880 Speaker 1: had been lifted off that franchise and shoulders that that 1550 01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,400 Speaker 1: locker room was like nothing I'd ever been in part of. 1551 01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,759 Speaker 1: And I was on a team that won the AFC Championship. 1552 01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:51,559 Speaker 1: We're going to the super Bowl. But that locker room 1553 01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,559 Speaker 1: after we won that game in Cincinnati to win the division, 1554 01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,479 Speaker 1: and we're gonna have a winning record, We're going to 1555 01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,000 Speaker 1: the playoffs for the first time ever. There was a 1556 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,120 Speaker 1: lot of grown man going on in that locker room, 1557 01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,559 Speaker 1: and let me tell you that, and it was it 1558 01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,120 Speaker 1: was just so special to be a part of that 1559 01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,400 Speaker 1: because we've just been hovering right around five hundred and 1560 01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:11,519 Speaker 1: then twenty ten, we we we were six and ten, 1561 01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:15,720 Speaker 1: wildly disappointing, right, um we are. I think we had 1562 01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,800 Speaker 1: the worst pass defense in the history of the league 1563 01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,559 Speaker 1: that year. Something. Yeah, But hey, you know, mister McNair, 1564 01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,880 Speaker 1: he's gonna stick with coach Kubiak, right, We're gonna bring 1565 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,160 Speaker 1: in Wade Phillips as our defensive coordinator. We're not that 1566 01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:29,799 Speaker 1: far off. And sure enough, we had the best season 1567 01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,040 Speaker 1: in two thousan eleven We didn't just beat teams. We 1568 01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,280 Speaker 1: beat the hell out of teams like Cleveland and Tampa. 1569 01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,200 Speaker 1: All those teams are supposed to beat up. We're winning 1570 01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,040 Speaker 1: by three four scores like we're supposed to and our 1571 01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:42,280 Speaker 1: defense is force turnovers and Brooks read and JJ Watt 1572 01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,960 Speaker 1: and pushing or just bawling out of their minds. It was. 1573 01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:49,599 Speaker 1: It was so fun and for Kevin Walter to catch 1574 01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:53,400 Speaker 1: that pass from t J. Yates under those circumstances when 1575 01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:56,719 Speaker 1: we have been losing all the entire game too, and 1576 01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,040 Speaker 1: it was it was just as my all time favorite 1577 01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:02,920 Speaker 1: Texanans moment and to be a part of it for 1578 01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,760 Speaker 1: five years and for it to work out that way, 1579 01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,720 Speaker 1: it was. Obviously it's no Super Bowl, right, but it 1580 01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,519 Speaker 1: was a big moment for that franchise for sure. For sure. 1581 01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,639 Speaker 1: And you bring up they were losing that day, so 1582 01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,360 Speaker 1: take the lead with two seconds left, and that's the 1583 01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:17,240 Speaker 1: only you know, you only held the lead for the 1584 01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:21,160 Speaker 1: final two seconds. From the final two seconds too, when 1585 01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,280 Speaker 1: you put your head on the pillow at whatever time 1586 01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:25,400 Speaker 1: it was at night, I mean, that's got to be 1587 01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:28,800 Speaker 1: one of the greatest eight ten hours stretches ever, right, 1588 01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:32,000 Speaker 1: because you'll fly back home. The flight was a party 1589 01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:35,240 Speaker 1: and then you get you get your land and there's 1590 01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,559 Speaker 1: all the there's a few thousand people out in bud 1591 01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,600 Speaker 1: Light Plaza and U. I mean you must have just 1592 01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,040 Speaker 1: been on Cloud nine, all of you guys. Right, I was, 1593 01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,960 Speaker 1: But I actually had a terrible injury that game. When 1594 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:47,439 Speaker 1: we get done, I want to send you this picture 1595 01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:51,400 Speaker 1: of how bruised my leg was. It was nasty. So 1596 01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:53,120 Speaker 1: I was in a lot of paint on that flight home, 1597 01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:56,000 Speaker 1: but like you couldn't hide the smiles. And I remember 1598 01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,280 Speaker 1: just the fans greeting us when we landed and at 1599 01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:01,120 Speaker 1: the stadium and we got back. It was, Uh, it 1600 01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:05,040 Speaker 1: was so cool. So tell me about who are you 1601 01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,280 Speaker 1: keeping in touch with still from your days in Houston? 1602 01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:11,080 Speaker 1: Which which guys? Yeah? I keep in touch with Kevin 1603 01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,479 Speaker 1: Walter a little bit. Him and I talk, um, Owen 1604 01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:17,719 Speaker 1: Daniels and myself. We we talk, David Anderson, Mike Brazil, 1605 01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,760 Speaker 1: Tim Bowman, right, Tim Bowman? Should you should get him 1606 01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,599 Speaker 1: on this? Oh he's on the list. Yeah, you guys 1607 01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,920 Speaker 1: are have fun. He uh we do some business deals 1608 01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:30,679 Speaker 1: together and um still keep in touch with him. Uh, 1609 01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,080 Speaker 1: Matt Shop just went to his retirement party back in 1610 01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:35,439 Speaker 1: back in March. That was really awesome to be around 1611 01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,639 Speaker 1: everyone again. Yeah, Kubiak and Ile text every now and then. 1612 01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,640 Speaker 1: Um yeah, a lot of those guys. Well you you 1613 01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,479 Speaker 1: definitely need to come down here and see Kubiak because 1614 01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,040 Speaker 1: he's set up on a nice, uh nice bit of 1615 01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,599 Speaker 1: property up northeast of town and he's got a ranch 1616 01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,400 Speaker 1: and he's got a he's got a cool set up. 1617 01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,400 Speaker 1: We went out and visited him a couple of months 1618 01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,640 Speaker 1: back and had had a fun time. What was it 1619 01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,400 Speaker 1: like playing in that offense? Because in looking back at 1620 01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:03,280 Speaker 1: the highlight, if you type up like Joel greeson Highlights, 1621 01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:08,120 Speaker 1: it's you and you're usually butt naked, wide open. It 1622 01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:12,200 Speaker 1: seemed like because that that play action boot like you 1623 01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,280 Speaker 1: were all you always seem to be open. That that 1624 01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:18,200 Speaker 1: was not just unique to you. I mean, you saw 1625 01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:20,479 Speaker 1: it with Owen Daniels, you saw it with s with 1626 01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,760 Speaker 1: Andre Johnson who everybody knew was the best player on 1627 01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:24,920 Speaker 1: the field and you had to cover the guy. You 1628 01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,160 Speaker 1: guys got so wide open. What was it like playing 1629 01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:30,559 Speaker 1: in that offense? Teams teams hated playing us when we 1630 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,760 Speaker 1: were really good like that and you know, oh, nine 1631 01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:36,519 Speaker 1: ten to eleven because everything looked the same and all 1632 01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:38,519 Speaker 1: of our formations, you didn't know if we were running 1633 01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:41,599 Speaker 1: or passing right, and from the moment the ball was hiked, 1634 01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,120 Speaker 1: if you didn't play that play with the right technique, 1635 01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,919 Speaker 1: whether it's run or play action pass your beat already 1636 01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:48,880 Speaker 1: with the speed we had on the over routes and 1637 01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,519 Speaker 1: the commitment it took from the safeties to stop our 1638 01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:56,639 Speaker 1: run game, Coach Kubiak and Rick Dennison, all those guys 1639 01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,760 Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball did such a 1640 01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:02,400 Speaker 1: good job of making everything look the same, whether it 1641 01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:06,040 Speaker 1: was our outside run right where Aaron would stretch, stretch, stretches, boom, 1642 01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:07,720 Speaker 1: put his foot in the ground and explode through the 1643 01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,160 Speaker 1: whole eight nine ten yards. Oh then now, then here's 1644 01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:13,519 Speaker 1: the forty three yard touchdown. Right. Committing to stop that 1645 01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:17,400 Speaker 1: means that you're not committed to stopping those play action boots, 1646 01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,160 Speaker 1: those play action double moves where Andrea fakes over out 1647 01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,839 Speaker 1: in the band, reverses field back to the opposite pilot. 1648 01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:27,479 Speaker 1: You know, so it's impossible to stop both if it 1649 01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,840 Speaker 1: all looks the same, and we got really good at 1650 01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,960 Speaker 1: it for a while. So manufacturing guys getting wide open 1651 01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:36,839 Speaker 1: was what coach Kubiak was. It specialized dude. Sean Pettigas 1652 01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,400 Speaker 1: and I used to have Joel dries and out with 1653 01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:42,880 Speaker 1: us every other every third Monday, and he was fantastic. 1654 01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,840 Speaker 1: And when the mics would go off, he would show 1655 01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,400 Speaker 1: us some of the things that they were doing. It 1656 01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:50,759 Speaker 1: was just awesome. It was just so fun to watch 1657 01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:53,880 Speaker 1: Joel with Owen and then they'd be able to talk 1658 01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,559 Speaker 1: with these guys and get the normal little pit great stuff. 1659 01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:59,599 Speaker 1: And I remember he and his wife used to come 1660 01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:01,439 Speaker 1: to the show when he was doing the show. He'd 1661 01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:04,439 Speaker 1: bring her and her family and his son, who was 1662 01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:08,120 Speaker 1: down eleven was just a newborn. Was amazing. He's now 1663 01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:10,679 Speaker 1: eleven years old. Man, time has flown. That was great 1664 01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:12,639 Speaker 1: stuff with Joel Trees. We get back. We'll go around 1665 01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,080 Speaker 1: in the NFL next right here on Texans All Access. 1666 01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,800 Speaker 1: One final segment of this Wednesday edition of Texans All Access, 1667 01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:26,800 Speaker 1: and we kick it off with the Schlumberge stats challenge. 1668 01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,920 Speaker 1: And the stat is the square root of one forty four. 1669 01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:34,559 Speaker 1: That's twelve. I just wanted to see if you guys 1670 01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:39,719 Speaker 1: knew any square roots twelve, which apparently is the number 1671 01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:44,360 Speaker 1: of times that Baker Mayfield didn't throw the ball to 1672 01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:49,680 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior. That Odell Beckham Senior pointing out on 1673 01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:51,920 Speaker 1: a video that was put on a YouTube yesterday. How 1674 01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:55,400 Speaker 1: about that? How about that? And that leads us to 1675 01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,719 Speaker 1: a little bit of around the NFL here to close 1676 01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,959 Speaker 1: down this show, with little help from our friends from Schlumbers, 1677 01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:04,439 Speaker 1: you had to take the stats challenge. You go to 1678 01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:08,640 Speaker 1: use the Texans dot com. That video got posted. No, 1679 01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:13,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if if ob s Odell Beckham Senior, 1680 01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:16,519 Speaker 1: who was a fine player in his own right, if 1681 01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:18,439 Speaker 1: he put the video together, or if he was just 1682 01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:23,400 Speaker 1: retweeting or liking a video that was already made. But 1683 01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:29,160 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior is, as was told to a few 1684 01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:32,759 Speaker 1: media members, Mike Silver in particular, he is no longer 1685 01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:36,679 Speaker 1: with the team now. The trade deadline passed without OBJ 1686 01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:40,760 Speaker 1: being traded. So the Browns sort of have a couple 1687 01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:44,240 Speaker 1: of things that work here. Number One, they can release him, 1688 01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:48,040 Speaker 1: which he If he's released, he's subject to waivers. Though 1689 01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:49,600 Speaker 1: somebody can just pick him up and take on a 1690 01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:51,639 Speaker 1: contract they want him. I don't know if they want 1691 01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:55,040 Speaker 1: to do that. That contracts pretty rich, or the Browns 1692 01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:56,400 Speaker 1: can hang on to him try and fix it. And 1693 01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:58,439 Speaker 1: it sounds like that's what they're gonna do in Cleveland, 1694 01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:01,200 Speaker 1: try and fix it. But Baker Mayfield was asked today 1695 01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,920 Speaker 1: about it, and he probably handled it about as well 1696 01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:07,479 Speaker 1: as you could. He just said, look, if he's here, great, 1697 01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:09,679 Speaker 1: we'll work it out. If he's not, we got other guys. 1698 01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:12,200 Speaker 1: We can rely on Baker Mayfield for all of his 1699 01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:15,040 Speaker 1: faults and for all the things that he doesn't do 1700 01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:19,240 Speaker 1: extremely well. Tell you what he handles adversity, especially in 1701 01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:21,840 Speaker 1: the press, as well as anybody that I've seen. So 1702 01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:23,799 Speaker 1: the Browns, I got a little drama going on. OBJ 1703 01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:27,719 Speaker 1: was away from the team. He was excused from practice today. 1704 01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:30,680 Speaker 1: And I'll say this, I don't know if I did 1705 01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,320 Speaker 1: a ranking of receivers in the league. I don't know 1706 01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:34,960 Speaker 1: if Obj make the top twenty five. Everybody tried to 1707 01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:36,800 Speaker 1: put him again ahead of Hopkins a few years ago, 1708 01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, forget it. I'll take hop all 1709 01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:41,760 Speaker 1: day every day. This guy, what is he? What has 1710 01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,639 Speaker 1: he done under to make one great catch on Sunday 1711 01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:47,600 Speaker 1: football in New York? I mean, has there anything the 1712 01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:52,200 Speaker 1: last three years? Nothing? Absolutely, zip, zero zilch Adrian Peterson 1713 01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:59,240 Speaker 1: was at practice today with the Tennessee Titans. He will attempt, 1714 01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,120 Speaker 1: I would say, to fill the shoes of Derrick Henry, 1715 01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:04,400 Speaker 1: although nobody could really do that. But deante Foreman also 1716 01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,400 Speaker 1: added former Texan, former Texas City and University of Texas 1717 01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:11,360 Speaker 1: star so Adrian Peterson. Deantey Foreman both added to the Titans. 1718 01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,360 Speaker 1: We'll see how that plays out. Oh yeah, the Titans 1719 01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:21,639 Speaker 1: have the Rams at SOFI on Sunday night. Yikes, man, 1720 01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:24,000 Speaker 1: this league is the best. Aaron Rodgers one on COVID nineteen. 1721 01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,320 Speaker 1: That's not great, but just all the drama that's around it, 1722 01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:29,320 Speaker 1: it's the best reality show there is. My friends, no 1723 01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,920 Speaker 1: Mahomes v. Rodgers. That's sad. All right, we gotta go, 1724 01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:34,519 Speaker 1: and we got a lot of people to thank. Gotta 1725 01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:38,280 Speaker 1: thank Joel Dreason, Drew Doherty, Joe Rose, Mark vantom Here, Dpcity, 1726 01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:41,600 Speaker 1: Marcel Louis Jacques, all of you guys for listen. Ye 1727 01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:43,519 Speaker 1: are the very best. We'll see tomorrow is always go 1728 01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:44,000 Speaker 1: Texans