1 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am like Spafford, joined as always 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague West and had Kowitz. We're coming 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: to you once again from disparate locations at lambeau Field 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: because Wes, apparently Cincinnati sirens and raindrops were not enough 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: to convince the powers that be that we really need 7 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: to be back in the studio together to shoot this 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: show the old fashioned way. So we're still going with 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: this way for a little while longer. 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: I did, of course, but I actually thought this was 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 2: I thought this was your doing. I thought you didn't 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 2: like the joke I made about you running from the law, 13 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: and we're like, okay, I tried it being next to 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: them again, I want no part of this. 15 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Well, we've all jokes aside. We have a 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: lot of ground to cover on this show, West, because 17 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: a lot has happened since we did speak last From 18 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: the Queen City as they call it, and the Packers 19 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: played their preseason opener on Friday night in Cincinnati, and 20 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: the starter's got a little bit of action. We saw 21 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: quarterback Jordan Love miss a third down pass on the 22 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: opening series then directed a touchdown drive, finishing it with 23 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: a scoring pass to Romeo Dobbs on the second series. 24 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: If you have any thoughts on that, I will take them. 25 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: But also there's a lot to talk about in terms 26 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: of the rookies that shined in this preseason game, whether 27 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: you're talking Sean Clifford, Emmanuel Wilson, Carrington Valentine. I'll turn 28 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 1: it over to you, wide open for it. You can 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: start wherever you want. 30 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 3: I like how you said that too, Like if you 31 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 3: have any thoughts, I'll take them, Like it's the village 32 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: of Swamaco like town, like the meeting here, if you 33 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 3: have any issues with your sewer and waterbell. 34 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 4: No. 35 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: Hey, the thing I liked about it, and a lot 36 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: of people in inbox have said it this week, Mike. 37 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 4: It was probably it felt more like. 38 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: A regular season game than a preseason game, and it's 39 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: been a long time since it's felt like that the 40 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: exhibition season now. I think a big part of that 41 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: is the fact you actually did see some of the 42 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: starters in the first two series, specifically on offense, Jordan 43 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 2: Love getting to go down the field leads that touchdown 44 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: producing drive. I thought Romeo Dobbs looked really sharp. You 45 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: saw the beauty of Dobbs and Christian Watson together, the 46 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: amount of attention that Watson draws on his man beater, 47 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: and then you have Romeo Dobbs coming free, and Love 48 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: just puts a nice, beautiful touch pass on Dobbs for 49 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: the touchdown. 50 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 4: So that was such a good start. 51 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: I felt like a good continuation of some of those 52 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: two minute drives that we've seen with the Packers offense, 53 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: and all in all, I think it was really positive. 54 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: But what really surprised me the most about this game, 55 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 2: in particular, is the fact that you saw so many 56 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: young guys on both sides of the ball, and even 57 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: on special teams with Samory two Ray's big return guys 58 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: just stepping up and making the most of their moment. 59 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: You obviously had to edit inbox when I wrote this, 60 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 2: but the Packers scored thirty six points in the preseason. 61 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: That was more than any other team in the first week. 62 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 2: But I also drew that twenty thirteen preseason where the 63 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 2: Packers scored thirty seven points total in four games. It's 64 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: not always again it's preseason, it's it's everybody you know, 65 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: Vanilla defenses and all that but it's not like everybody 66 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: just puts up a ton of points and a ton 67 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: of productions. It can be really hard for offenses to 68 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: move the ball when their first team starters are not 69 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: in there. But Sean Clifford battled. You saw Emmanuel Wilson 70 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: in an inspirational, emotional night for him, having one hundred 71 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: and eleven yards two touchdowns on just six carries. A 72 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: number of guys stepped up in this game, and to 73 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: me that was the most encouraging thing of all is 74 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: that these the young players that the Green Bay Packers 75 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: have invested into, I thought they got off to a 76 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: really strong start. 77 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought so too. 78 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: I mean, and we're seeing potentially some you know, as 79 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: we see in any training camp, we see some shifting 80 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: going on. 81 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 5: You mentioned Emmanuel Wilson. 82 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: It was the fourteenth anniversary of his father's death at 83 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: a young age, emotional night for him and his family. 84 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: And you know, he rips off the one touchdown run 85 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: in the red zone, looked really good, hit the hole 86 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: sharp well. Then later on he takes one eighty yards 87 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: to the house, gets a couple of nice blocks, and 88 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: off he goes, showing off a little bit of speed 89 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: that we hadn't necessarily seen on the practice field at 90 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: this point. And you know, while be honest, Wes, I 91 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: wrote a story a couple of weeks ago about the 92 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,679 Speaker 1: battle for the number three running back position. I really 93 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: didn't think Emmanuel Wilson was necessarily up there with those 94 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: other guys. And I'm talking about Patrick Taylor and Tyler 95 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: Goodson and then the draft pick Lou Nichols. But Nichols 96 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: has been injured, Tyler Goodson injured his shoulder in the 97 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: Cincinnati game, and then Emmanuel Wilson goes off and has 98 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: this tremendous performance. Now he still has a lot to 99 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: learn in terms of the pass protection and those things. 100 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: That's always the toughest thing for a rookie running back 101 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: to learn and to get up to speed. But he 102 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: threw himself right into the middle of that competition for 103 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: the running back when it kind of felt like he 104 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: was maybe on the outside looking in before. 105 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike, and that is where you always see these 106 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: young guys that you have to make a big impression, 107 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: You have to have that breakthrough moment before you could 108 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: start building on everything else. Because goodness knows, I mean, 109 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: Emmanuel Wilson could be completely refined as a pass protector. 110 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: He could make some nice plays with catching the ball, 111 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 2: but if you don't run and you don't have those 112 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: big moments, it's gonna be hard to get noticed. 113 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 4: This young man got himself noticed and such. 114 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 2: An interesting story he has obviously, as you mentioned, losing 115 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: his father fourteen years ago. But he goes to a 116 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: Division two school, Division two school at Fort Valley State, 117 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 2: and this is one of these situations where he goes 118 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: out for the draft, doesn't get picked. Was incredibly productive 119 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: in college, but it's hard to get noticed. Sometimes he 120 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: has a cup of coffee with Denver, then he ends 121 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 2: up in Green Bay. Is sort of that, Okay, we 122 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 2: need an extra back in this equation, right, Well, a 123 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: couple injuries happen, and you see how quickly that injury 124 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: can lead to opportunity. I don't have all the statistics 125 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 2: in front of me. It's very hard to find preseason 126 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: stats pre two thousand, at least over the last twenty 127 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 2: three years. That is the longest rushing touchdown, longest run 128 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: at all the Packers have had in a preseason game 129 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: in twenty three years. The next closest was Whisper Goodman 130 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 2: and it was not even sixty it was fifty six yards. 131 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: It just shows you how incredible it was both the 132 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: block that Rashid Walker threw on that play in the 133 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: ability of Emmanuel Wilson to really go and capture that 134 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 2: moment afterwards and take it to the house. As he said, 135 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: he was even saying the coaches, they're not going to 136 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: let me live that down. If I let the defensive 137 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: back catch me there. I had to get to the 138 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 2: end zone. He did it on that play. He's going 139 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 2: to have to build on it. But the kid has 140 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: the right mentality. The first thing that he said right 141 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: after the game was I got to come back on 142 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,559 Speaker 2: Sunday and I gotta do these type of things again. 143 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: And every moment that he's had so far, I think 144 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: the young man has taking advantage of it. 145 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the other big rookie standout on offensives was, 146 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: of course, the fifth round draft pick at quarterback, Sean Clifford. 147 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: And I tell you, Wes, I couldn't have been I 148 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: couldn't have been more excited, interested, intrigued by just watching 149 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: how this young man played because I've been doing this 150 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: a long time. I know you've been doing this a 151 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: long time. 152 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 4: Too. 153 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: We have seen countless times rookie quarterbacks getting into their 154 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: first preseason action and the immediately morph into checkdown. Charlie, right, 155 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: every single every pass play is okay, nothing's there, and 156 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: you know it's either take off and run or find 157 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: the outlet. You know, find the checkdown, and you know, 158 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: just try not to have a negative play. That's not 159 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: how Sean Clifford went about this. Now, he did throw 160 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: two interceptions. One of them was a pick six that 161 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: was very avoidable. The other one was he kind of 162 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: actually threw a fifty to fifty ball over the middle 163 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: that he was hoping Tucker Craft would be able to 164 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: fight for and maybe pull in for a reception. The 165 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: defender was able to get it away. Those are mistakes 166 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: that he'll certainly learn from. But he did not hold 167 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: back whatsoever. I absolutely loved watching this young man. Absolutely 168 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: let it rip out there. He played with no fear. 169 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: He practically played with no conscience, almost. 170 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 5: With the But that's what you love to see. 171 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: I mean, how is how is the young quarterback going 172 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: to learn if he doesn't just let the offense work 173 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: for him, try to find the windows that are there, 174 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: try to fit the ball in the windows and see 175 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: what happens. And you know, whether you're talking about the 176 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: slant pass to uh Dontavian Wicks that was late late 177 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: in the first half that got him down there with 178 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: a chance to score in the two minute drove before halftime, 179 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: or when he scrambled out to the left and you know, 180 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: didn't just dump the ball off but threw a twenty 181 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: five yard pass downfield right on a dime to Samari 182 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: Toure over by the boundary to create a big gain 183 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: out of an extended play. You have to like what 184 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: you saw from Sean Clifford in this game, and he 185 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: gave himself off of just one preseason game. He gave 186 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: himself so much to build on as he now gets 187 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: more action in these next two preseason games, getting ready 188 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: to be Jordan Loves backup for the regular season. 189 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: Sean has not been perfect and he was even saying afterwards, 190 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 2: He's like, I've made a mistake before. I've made several 191 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 2: mistakes before. I'm not afraid to make another mistake. But 192 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 2: I love that mentality, man, because you know, I understand 193 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: there were some people that were questioning, okay, when the 194 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 2: Packers trade, you know, draft him in the fifth round. 195 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 4: You know, is this guy fifth round pick? Is he 196 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 4: a priority free agent? 197 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: All these questions, But it's taken us, what Mike, less 198 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: than four months to understand why Penn State loved this 199 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: kid so much. Why James Franklin and the coaches there 200 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: like this kid because he competes, and he's not afraid 201 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: of the moment, and he's willing to do whatever it 202 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: takes to win a football game. When you were talking 203 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: about the resiliency piece, right, the guy led four scoring drives, 204 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: he led them down, was passing the ball really well, 205 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 2: starts very fast, then he does get was going to 206 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: be a sack. He ends up throwing the pick six, 207 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: and he comes back and has another interception. He could 208 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: have let all those moments bury him. Instead, he leads 209 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: a two minute drive after I believe that was Carrington's interception. 210 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 4: Correct. I don't have the game, but yeah, Valentine. 211 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: Valentine got the interception off the deflected pass, and then 212 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: and right that gave Clifford one more shot before halftime 213 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: to erase what had happened earlier, and he went out 214 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: and took advantage of it. 215 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: In the one thing I think has been the biggest 216 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 2: strength of Sean Clifford in the practices I've watched, going 217 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: back to the offseason program, the guy has been exceptional 218 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: in the two minute now. He doesn't win every single 219 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: time he's going up against the defense, but he moves 220 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: a football man, and I felt like that was another 221 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 2: exemplary example of that, being able to actually lead them 222 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 2: down the stretch. And then he plays at a third quarter, 223 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: which kind of surprised me a little bit. But twenty 224 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 2: six passes, twenty completions, I believe it was two hundred 225 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 2: and eight yards, two hundred and four yards. And then 226 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: having that, Mike, you and I, as you said, it's 227 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: not just agreement with Packers. All these preseason games we've 228 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: covered over the years. Doesn't even matter if you're a rookie. 229 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's QB two three, four, could be a couple 230 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: of years in the league. Guys don't want to make 231 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: mistakes in the preseason. They want to be they want 232 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: to be perfect, right, and that leads to just playing 233 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: very generic bland football. Sean Clifford was not doing that, 234 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 2: And why does that matter, Mike, because he was giving 235 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: his receivers a chance to make plays. He was given 236 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: Dontavian Wicks to show, hey, if the quarterback threads the 237 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: needle to me and I got the safety bearing down 238 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: on me, and I have a guy that's gonna be 239 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 2: on me on the slant, I'm still going to catch 240 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 2: that ball and I'm going to turn up field and 241 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: take it for forty two yards or forty seven yards 242 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: whatever it was. Jaden Reid. How much did the Green 243 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: Bay Packers learn about Jayden Reid in this game? From 244 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 2: being able to take some snaps with both Jordan Love 245 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: and Sean Clifford. These young receivers, and there's been a 246 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 2: multitude of them. Mike Malik Heath had his head a reception. 247 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: I think on his first play that he played in 248 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: that game. You need a quarterback to give his receivers 249 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: that opportunity. Shan Clifford did that. I felt like when 250 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers left Cincinnati, when you talk about 251 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: teaching tape, when you talk about the film room, this 252 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: young man gave the Green Bay Packers coaches a lot 253 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: to work off of as they prepare now for these 254 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: joint practices with the New England Patriots. 255 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 256 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well, a couple other guys who carried over what 257 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: we've seen as some very productive play on the press 258 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: practice field, and they took it into the preseason game. 259 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: We already mentioned Carrington Valentine, We've already talked about him 260 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: a lot rookie, seventh round pick out of Kentucky, showing 261 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: that he belongs. He's already been you know. He he 262 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: basically is playing as a starting cornerback when Jay R 263 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: Alexander is not in the lineup and he gets an 264 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 1: interception in the Bengals game, he breaks up a couple 265 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: other passes. He had a very acrobatic type of tackle 266 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: on an outside running play. Just showed that that he's everywhere. 267 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: He's got a nose for the ball, and much like Clifford, 268 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: he's just a competitor down in and down out. And 269 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: another guy too, and you already brought him up. Malie Heath, 270 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: he undrafted player out of Old Miss, wide receiver. Got 271 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: He's got nice, nice size to him and everything, and 272 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: he's out here trying to prove like, hey, I should 273 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: have been drafted just like you know. How However, many 274 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: dozens of receivers were taken in that April draft. He 275 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: makes I believe it was either two had either. 276 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 4: Two or three. 277 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: I think it was three receptions thirty six yards maybe 278 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: in the game. One of those was really nice where 279 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: he essentially ran a comeback route and he came strong 280 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: back to the ball to h to provide the target 281 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: and get separation from the defender. And then of course 282 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: we also saw him in the blocking part of things. 283 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: Just take take a Cincinnati cornerback and as as one 284 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: inbox reader said, pulled to Michael Orr and you know, 285 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: Shove took him to the bus like you know, outside 286 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: of the field. He took him into the kicking net 287 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: over there on on the Packers' sideline. But and hey, 288 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur has brought it up that that, yeah, there 289 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: needs to be another receiver who takes on that sort 290 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: of goon roll and does all that dirty work that 291 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: Alan Lazard used to do in the receiving corps. And 292 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: Malik Heath is like, hey, if that, if that can 293 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: be me, I'm all for it, sign me up. 294 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 295 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: And it's actually funny too, because he when I was 296 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 2: talking with him in locker room, he mentioned, I mean 297 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 2: that was kind of his game at Old Miss too. 298 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 2: I mean, he did that type of stuff in college. 299 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: It's not like he was just a moment where he's like, Okay, 300 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 2: I feel like I got to step up and I 301 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: got to block this guy and show really good for 302 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: the coaches. No that he feels like that's a natural, 303 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 2: organic part of his game and he wants to show that. 304 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: And obviously Sean Clifford, other than the I think maybe 305 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: the linebacker that was coming near him at the end 306 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 2: of the play, nobody was near him. 307 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't that leak. He just blocked his guy. 308 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: He cleared out the only potential guy that could have 309 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: converged on him within maybe two or three yards of 310 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. And again, as you said, as 311 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: he said, he was able to take him over to 312 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: the cooler, you know, on that play. 313 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 5: And Andy drew an unnecessary roughness penalty because the guy 314 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 5: got so mad about Kim blocked, you know, so far 315 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 5: out of bounds that he you know, he struck back 316 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 5: at heath and then the referee through the flag and 317 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 5: the Packers got some extra yardage out of it to boot. 318 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: And somebody said an inbox like, oh, they gotta be 319 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: careful with that that you know, that could be an offset. 320 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 4: No, man, that's an extension. 321 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: This isn't about a guy going out of bounds and 322 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: then coming back inbounds on a punk coverage to tackle 323 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: the guy. If you wipe your guy out to the sideline, 324 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: that's an extension of the play. You don't stop blocking 325 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 2: him because you blocked him out of bounds. It's just 326 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 2: it's that's where you put the guy. So it just 327 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: so happens that the play lasted long enough that he 328 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: kept bringing him and bringing them and bringing them. But 329 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: here's the thing, Malie Heath doesn't have Allen Lazard size, 330 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: But when I look at the overall things that made 331 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: Lazard successful as an undrafted free Asian, as a guy 332 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: that actually was going to succeed in the NFL, he 333 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: has a lot of those qualifiers to him. And that's 334 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 2: what I like about this entire room. Samori to Ray 335 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: I thought had a really good, strong game. Again, he 336 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: muffed a punt or a muff to kickoff early on, 337 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: but then came back and had that big kickoff return 338 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: for the offense to get them at midfield. But the 339 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: thing about it is, I feel like all these guys, 340 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 2: when you talk about Carrington Valentine too, they are making 341 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: other people they've they're rising the game of those around them. 342 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 2: I thought Shamar John Charles has had some really strong practices. 343 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: Corey Ballantine was contributing, you know, before his stinger injury. 344 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: That's the key in the preseason is when you have 345 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: young guys or maybe an undrafted for agent that kind 346 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: of balls out a little bit, that makes everybody else 347 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: in the room kind of take notice a little bit 348 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 2: that hey, I got to raise my level to these 349 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 2: guys as well. When it comes down to it, Mike 350 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: I said this about the Packers' defensive line too. I mean, 351 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: injuries can happen. We're still two weeks away from when 352 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: the Packers have to start even thinking about their fifty 353 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: three man roster. 354 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 4: But the agreement Packers have a lot. 355 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: Of tough decisions looming because I think the amount of 356 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: people that have stepped up throughout the course of the 357 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 2: offseason program and many of whom have now carried it 358 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: into training camp. 359 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and tough decisions is what they want. If the 360 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: roster cut down to fifty three is easy, then you 361 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: probably don't have as deep and talented team as you 362 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: would like to have. One last note on the game, 363 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: the Packers don't make it a practice, not a regular 364 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: practice of giving out game balls during preseason games, but 365 00:16:53,640 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur took the time to recognize especially Kenneth odam Meguu, 366 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: the Nigerian player of Nigerian descent. He's the Packers International 367 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: Pathway Program player who literally on Friday night in Cincinnati, 368 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: when he stepped on the field, was playing a football 369 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,239 Speaker 1: game for the first time. All he had done was 370 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: practice and learn and sit in a classroom and do drills. 371 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: And you know, he had not played actually in an 372 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: actual game, a competitive game of football until that preseason 373 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: opener on Friday night. The Packers honored otomegu with a 374 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: game ball, and it sounded like it was a It 375 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: was a pretty raucous celebration in the locker room for 376 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: the young man. 377 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. And if you heard what Batt Lafleur said at 378 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 2: his press conference on Monday, just saying, I mean, he's 379 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 2: top tier when it comes to a person and an 380 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 2: individual and somebody that is appreciative of the opportunity. 381 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 4: You know, we talked a lot. 382 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 2: I even wrote this past week about the team bonding 383 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 2: that came out of Cincinnati. But I think there's a 384 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: certain team bonding element too that comes out of having 385 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 2: a Kenneth otamegu on your fifty three or not your 386 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 2: fifty three, but your ninety man offseason roster, because I 387 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 2: think it is a good It goes back to I 388 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 2: think something that Jason Rebovich even said about how having 389 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: someone like him actually makes some better coach because it 390 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 2: reminds him about the things you can't take for granted 391 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: when you're working with athletes and when you're working with 392 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 2: people at these positions, because he brings you back to 393 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 2: the basics, right And Kenneth I think has had the 394 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: right mentality since day one, just an incredible joy for 395 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: life and understanding the journey that he's on. And I 396 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 2: don't know everything that was like for him, you know, 397 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,959 Speaker 2: back in Nigeria. I remember talking with Andy Malumba when 398 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 2: he was here. Andy moved to Canada, you know, and 399 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 2: I think he was five or six. He was pretty 400 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 2: young at that point. But you know, people's lived experiences 401 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 2: are what make this game great. And when you have 402 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 2: somebody like Kenneth who has been in a different country, 403 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 2: you know, even the basketball background, just being introduced to 404 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 2: different sports and then watching these things on YouTube and 405 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 2: almost kind of getting his first introduction to American football 406 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 2: through videos. I mean, it reminds you of just how 407 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 2: incredible it is that he's even in a position like 408 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 2: this now. To be in a preseason game, he had 409 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: to cross Mike. We talked about it in May. But 410 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 2: you know, he had to get through the training camps 411 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 2: out there. I mean when you talk about OCU Manua's 412 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 2: you know camp in London, and all these different levels 413 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 2: that Kenneth had to get to just to get to Florida, 414 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 2: just to be in a position that one NFL team 415 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: would he'd get a sign to go play with him. 416 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 2: It wasn't that you just get to Florida and then 417 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 2: you're guaranteed to be with an NFL club. That was 418 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 2: just getting your foot in the door to potentially getting 419 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 2: this opportunity. 420 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 4: We talked to him back in May. 421 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 2: He had a smile on his face the entire time 422 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: you talked to him in the locker room this week, 423 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 2: again just incredibly appreciate the opportunity in front of him, 424 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 2: and I have to imagine for him personally what a 425 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 2: gratifying moment that was. And lastly, I will leave you 426 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 2: with this the interview that Larry McCarey did. Larry Mccaerron 427 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 2: did with him that ran in the pregame preseason show 428 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: him saying that, you know, my goal is, I don't 429 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: want to be the ipp player. I don't want to 430 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: be a guy that's just I'm here because I'm an exemption. 431 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 2: He's like, by the end of this season, I want 432 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: people to look at me like I'm helping this football 433 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 2: team win. 434 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 4: And I think when you look at you. 435 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 2: Know, a player, the first time Packers have ever been 436 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: a part of this during my time on the beat, 437 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 2: just that the perfect guy I felt like for this 438 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 2: locker room and for this football team. 439 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved what he said when I had a 440 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: chance to talk to him in the locker room on Sunday, 441 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: I believe it was after practice and along those same lines, 442 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: talking about, you know, what his goals are, and he says, 443 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: my goal is after this season for then people to 444 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: look at me on the football field and ask what 445 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: college did you go to? You know, to basically sort 446 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: of show that he belongs. That nobody's going to be 447 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: able to tell that he got here in any different 448 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: way than anybody else in America who goes and plays 449 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: college football and then tries to make his way into 450 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: the NFL. I absolutely love that line. I want people 451 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: to ask me what college I went to? You know that? 452 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: And and he says everything as you noted Wes with 453 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: with a smile on his face. 454 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: So watch the kid walk past the kid like we 455 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: have in the locker room. I mean, if you see 456 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 2: him out there for any of these preseason games at 457 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 2: lambeau Field, he looks like an NFL outside linebacker. 458 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 4: He does. 459 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: He just needs to catch up on the rest of 460 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: it now, which is what he's trying to do with 461 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 2: Jason Rebervich in the rest of that room. Lastly, very 462 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 2: quick thing. You're not on Instagram. That's a pity too. 463 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 2: I think you'd be really good on that type of 464 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: social media. But we posted Packers. They posted that video 465 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: of Kenneth in his interview with Larry and all the 466 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: players that like that video, Pressed Smith, Kenny Clark, Rashaan Gary, 467 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 2: all those teammates. I mean, they're in this journey with them, 468 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: and I think that's the coolest thing. 469 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's really cool the way these guys, 470 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: the way these guys have rallied around a newcomer, not 471 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: just to their team, but a newcomer to the sport 472 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: in their locker room has been has been pretty cool 473 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: to see. I want to get to some other things 474 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: that have happened since we got back from Cincinnati West, 475 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: but I'll do some sponsor business here for serious XM. 476 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: NFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to the 477 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: minute NFL news that true football fanatics need twenty four 478 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: to seven, three sixty five and ed Cousin Subs. We 479 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: have something for everyone, like our Wisconsin cheese curds, mac 480 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: and cheese, golden fries, and creamy shakes, all paired with 481 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: your favorite sub or sub in a bowl. Cousin Subs 482 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: fifty years of. 483 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 4: Better I got. I just gotta follow from Cousins on 484 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 4: Twitter too. Yeah. 485 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: Well, and if if you want to, if you want 486 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: to hear something rather humorous, go check out the clip 487 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: of Kevin Harlan on the Packers preseason television broadcast reading 488 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,239 Speaker 1: the reading the Cousin subs ad Read. And I've been 489 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: around Kevin long enough that that man has an appetite. 490 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: So when he says when he's in the middle and 491 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: he's in the middle of the ad read and says 492 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: to John Coon boy, I'm hungry like it absolutely did 493 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: not supprise, So. 494 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 2: We need to have you and Kevin have like an 495 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: ad read off when it comes to these. 496 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's what we Maybe that's what we have 497 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: to do. Well. Since we returned from Cincinnati, West a 498 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: few things that have gone on here that I want 499 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: to touch on. One you are you brought up. One 500 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: of the big blocks on Emmanuel Wilson's eighty yard touchdown 501 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: run in Cincinnati was thrown by Rashid Walker, and in 502 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: the practices since returning, Rashid Walker has begun to I 503 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: guess I would say share the left tackle spot with 504 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: the number one offense when David Baktiari is not taking snaps. 505 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: Rashid Walker has moved up to where he's sharing that 506 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: number one left tackle spot with yosh Nimen and the 507 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: Packers are taking a much longer, harder, closer look at 508 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: last year's seventh round pick from Penn State. 509 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: Before I say a single word, if you're watching this video, 510 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 2: if you're listening to it on you know one of 511 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: your mini podcast options, stop what we're doing right now, 512 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 2: timestamp this. Go and watch Larry Mccaerron's rock report on 513 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 2: Walker because the game that he had Mike basically every 514 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 2: single major play that Green Bay had in the second half, 515 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: at least or after the second quarter, it all basically 516 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: tied back to blocks that Rashid Walker was making, either 517 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 2: on the left side the line or the right side 518 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 2: of the line. The thing I love about this kid 519 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 2: is the fact that, dude, if you remember this, go 520 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 2: back and look at some of those like two thousand 521 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: and twenty one, like right after the draft, like people 522 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 2: projecting what the twenty two draft is going to look like, 523 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: there were people that were saying Rashid Walker was going 524 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: to be a first round pick. Now, that was very premature. 525 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 2: It was before any games were played the falling college season. 526 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 2: But that's the kind of high regard that he was 527 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: held into. As you talked about with him, some injuries happened. 528 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 2: He wasn't really even be able to be a full 529 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 2: go until the last season started and he virtually had 530 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: to red shirt that whole entire year. And when the 531 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 2: Packers have fourteen fifteen twenty seven different offensive li i'eman 532 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: returning this year, he kind of gets lost in the 533 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 2: laundry a little bit that, Hey, you have this guy 534 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 2: that was a multi year starter at Penn State for 535 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 2: Sean Clifford, mind you. Yeah, and he's on your roster 536 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: and he's competing for a spot again this year, and 537 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 2: it kind of gets forgotten about. You have Caleb Jones, 538 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 2: massive human being, another big ten guy, you had Yosh 539 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: Niman coming back, you have I mean, Kadeem Telford is 540 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 2: six foot seven too. I mean, these monsters at this position. 541 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 2: And then here comes quietly Rashid Walker back into the conversation. 542 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 2: Doing it on both sides of the offensive line. Again 543 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: wasn't perfect. There were teachable moments, but I thought he 544 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 2: got back to showing what he can do, and that 545 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: is athletic feet in a really strong punch and being 546 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 2: able to knock off edge rushers and get them off balance. 547 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 2: That actually plays in pretty well into being a pass 548 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 2: protector in this league. And I felt like for him, 549 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 2: what an incredible performance to build on, and especially after 550 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 2: not playing really all of last season. Yeah. 551 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely, he as you said, he kind of took a 552 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: took a red shirt year because all through the pre 553 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: draft process he was rehabbing from a surgery from the 554 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: end of his college season. He didn't, you know, didn't 555 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: really get to get up to speed during the spring 556 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: to get ready for his rookie training camp. So then 557 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 1: his rookie training camp last year was always kind of behind. 558 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, and he's he's been coached pretty 559 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: hard by Luke, but gis the Packers offensive line coach 560 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: and uh and he was even asked about that in 561 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: the locker room, you know all the times that that, 562 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: you know, but Gus has kind of uh you know, 563 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: yelled at him and let him have it. He says, Hey, 564 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: I'm used to getting coached hard. That's okay, It's all love. 565 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: These guys just want me to get These guys want 566 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: me to get better. They see what they see what 567 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: potential I have and they're trying to get it out 568 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: of me. And and I think we're starting to uh, 569 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,959 Speaker 1: we're starting to see that with Rashid Walker. 570 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 5: Practice. On Monday. 571 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: Was I guess the the the Great Visit of the 572 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: Dignitaries because NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell had stopped in in 573 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: Green Bay. There was a kind of a media event 574 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: discussing the Packers or should say city of Green Bay, 575 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: being selected to host the twenty twenty five NFL draft. 576 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers was here, and you got a 577 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: chance to check that out. Wesson and Roger Goodell even 578 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: came and watched practice a little bit and reunited with 579 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: a guy that he shook hands with five years ago 580 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: on the stage of the first round of the NFL Draft, 581 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: in jay R Alexander. Those two were chatting it up 582 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: before practice started on Monday inside the Hudson Center. 583 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, very cool moment, and Evan Siegel got a great photo. 584 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: We saw the backside of the whole conversation. Evan got 585 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 2: a great photo of them together from the front angle. 586 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 4: And one of those things. 587 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 2: I'm sure it happens on a daily basis around the NFL, 588 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 2: but I haven't really seen a lot of that where 589 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 2: it's like, you know, you see that original you know, 590 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: DAP and everything that they. 591 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 4: Do on Draft night and everyone's really excited. 592 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 2: But here we are five years later when JayR Alexander's 593 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 2: become a legitimate superstar in this league and being able 594 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 2: to come back. Also, by the way, I don't know 595 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 2: who the Packers NFLPA rep is this year. It was 596 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 2: Mason Crosby, but JayR has been an associate rep, so 597 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 2: he also has some you know, things to do with 598 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 2: the PA side of things. So just an incredible kind 599 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 2: of thing to see a guy that went from just 600 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 2: a super excited young kid out of Louisville and then 601 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 2: now here he has a two time All Pro that's 602 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 2: a team leader and former team captain for the Packers 603 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 2: and he's being able to see Roger Godell again. Unfortunately 604 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 2: I didn't get to have my like reuniting with Roger 605 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 2: Godell at all, seeing if he remembered in twenty twelve 606 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 2: when he came to practice the last time in training 607 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 2: camp and I badgered him about replacement referees and if 608 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: that was a concern at all. 609 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 4: One month later, I guess it was. 610 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: Maybe you need to bring him, Maybe you need to 611 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: bring him a cousin sub the next time he comes 612 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: to Green Bay brings some lunch for him. 613 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 2: But a cool deal though before that, because even before 614 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 2: practice I went down for his that ceremony. Wisconsin Governor 615 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 2: Tony Evers also there, Toy Troy Streckenbach, the Brown County Representative, 616 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 2: and Mark Murphy. All We're supposed to be part of 617 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 2: an outdoor event, you know, tied around the Packers and 618 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 2: the bike riding thing. Because of the rain, practice got 619 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 2: moved indoors. We weren't able to do that, but still 620 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 2: hearing Gadell talk about the excitement about the Packers getting 621 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 2: the NFL Draft, green Bay getting the NFL Draft in 622 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, in all the work that Mark Murphy 623 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 2: put into that, from the very day that the NFL 624 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 2: announced that they were going to start moving the draft round, 625 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 2: Mark was one of the first people to contact and 626 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 2: reach out to Sir Roger and say, hey, Green Bay 627 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 2: wants this, We're ready for it. We're never going to 628 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 2: get a Super Bowl here, we get that, but I 629 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 2: mean this is the type of event that we can host. 630 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 2: Eight years later, everything comes full circle and Goodell very 631 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: complimentary of the job that, as he said, Murph. We 632 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 2: call him Mark. He called him Murph. I occasionally call 633 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 2: him sir. He doesn't like that, but I still do it. 634 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 2: But very casual with Roger Goodell calling him Murph and 635 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 2: just saying that nobody has been a bigger supporter of 636 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 2: this community than Mark Murphy. And again, when you're looking 637 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 2: three years down the road, as Mark starts to enter 638 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 2: this final stretch of his time as the Packers President CEO, 639 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 2: an incredible, lasting achievement in addition to the many other things. 640 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 4: That Mark has done here over the last fifteen years. 641 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no question about it. Well, I said we 642 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: had a lot of ground to cover. There's a couple 643 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: other things I want to touch on here before we go. 644 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: I know we're going maybe a little bit long today. 645 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 4: That's mostly my fault. No, that's noting a lot. 646 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: No, it's not your fault. But a couple other players 647 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: to mention here. One rookie, seventh round pick at wide receiver, 648 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: Grant Dubo's he has gotten back into practice. He missed 649 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: all of the OTAs in mini camp and the first 650 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: stretch of training camp due to a back injury. 651 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 5: He is back on the. 652 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: Practice field and as we talk about what's going on 653 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: at the wide receiver position, we're seeing things from you know, 654 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: Malie Heath and Samari Toure and Dontavian Wicks and all 655 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: these young guys that are fighting for a roster spot. 656 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: Grant Dubos went out at practice on Monday, Wes and 657 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: he hauled in I believe it was or maybe five 658 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: receptions in eleven on eleven Suddenly number eighty six is 659 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: shown up. And with this week coming up with the 660 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: joint practices with the Patriots, and then and then the 661 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: preseason game. The fact that he's cleared now to play 662 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: to take reps in eleven on eleven. He's another young 663 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: guy to watch here in a competition for those last 664 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: few roster spots that is far from decided. 665 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 2: And I would think he's actually gonna play in this 666 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: Patriots game because he was working his way back. Didn't 667 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 2: play against Cincinnati. But my goodness, Mike, with him getting 668 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: into reintroduced, actually introduced, he never was introduced in the 669 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,479 Speaker 2: first place. With him being introduced now to these team periods, granted, 670 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 2: Boas has just completely I think, just jumped right out 671 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: and started making plays right from the get go. He's 672 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 2: he's a guy that when you look at his career 673 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 2: at Charlotte, those two seasons that he was there, he 674 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: was just a magnet to the football. And I don't 675 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 2: know if it's just his ability to gain separation. I 676 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 2: really don't know a lot about his game at this point, 677 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 2: but he's constantly around the football. Again, it goes back 678 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 2: to what I was saying earlier in the show, where 679 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 2: we focus so much on the top three. 680 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 4: If you want to throw his Samori in their top four. 681 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,719 Speaker 2: Receivers, but the Packers have had years where guys come in, 682 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 2: they'll they'll draft guys and they just don't really make 683 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 2: plays and it doesn't really work out for him and 684 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 2: you got to move on. But I think for the 685 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 2: Packers double dipping again and going and getting three receivers 686 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 2: again for the second straight year, in addition to having 687 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 2: Malie Heath come in, in addition to bringing back Bo 688 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 2: Melton who's made some plays and had some nice blocks. 689 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: Yep. 690 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Packers competition has just been revving up over 691 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 2: and over again. And when you're talking about a guy 692 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: like Sean Clifford and Alex Magoo, who I'll imagine will 693 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 2: get more snaps, if not against the Patriots, definitely against 694 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 2: the Seahawks. Those guys are going out there to throw 695 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 2: the football and they have some really talented receivers to 696 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 2: work with, and Dubo's is added to that. Now I'm 697 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 2: very interested to watch and see where he goes from here. 698 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Dubo's has such an interesting story because just 699 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago he almost gave up football completely. 700 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: He was playing at Division two Miles College, a small 701 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: school in his home state of Alabama. They they canceled 702 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: their season entirely in twenty twenty due to COVID, But 703 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: instead of completely walking away from the game, he decides 704 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: to transfer to Charlotte and then you know, balls out 705 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: there in North Carolina and ends up being a seventh 706 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: round draft pick of the Packers. And now he's he's 707 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: thrust himself into an opportunity for a roster spot. So 708 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: the other thing to touch on too is what's going 709 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: on at the tight end position with the Packers. A 710 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: good start preseason wise, I thought for Luke Musgrave and 711 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: Tucker Craft, the two rookie draft picks, but the bad 712 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: news Tyler Davis went down with a knee injury in 713 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: the game in Cincinnati. Matt Lafleur basically all but confirmed 714 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: that his season is over. The injury is quite significant 715 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: and and I wrote a story on Packers dot Com 716 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: that is on the website now as we're talking that. 717 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: You know, the value of a veteran tight end like 718 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: Josiah Deguara has has gone up considerably now with with 719 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: the loss of Tyler Davis. Into Gua is just getting 720 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: himself back from a calf injury. He didn't play in 721 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: the preseason game in Cincinnati, but he's back into the 722 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: eleven on eleven now he's taking reps with the first 723 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: team offense. Sometimes he's out there with Musgrave or with 724 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: Craft in a two tight end set. Josiah Deguara, I 725 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: think is a guy to keep an eye on for 726 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: more on him. Be sure to check out the story 727 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: on the website. 728 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely do that, and the thing about it too. 729 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 2: You know, Joe, people forget about this. You know he 730 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 2: originally tore his ACL on a special teams play. I 731 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 2: mean he was contributing not only is that Swiss Army 732 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 2: knife on offense, but also gave them some flexibility on 733 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 2: special teams right off the bat as well. And he's 734 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 2: kind of had to catch up a little bit last 735 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 2: year getting back into a rhythm again. Certainly the offense 736 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 2: mostly ran through Mercedes Lewis and Robert Tunyan at that position. 737 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,879 Speaker 2: But that job for him is only going to. 738 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 4: Grow on value now. I like where Green Bay sits 739 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 4: right now. 740 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,439 Speaker 2: When you look at what I mean, Luke Musgrave looks 741 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 2: like a guy that's going to be able to play 742 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: right off the jump. They have those those twenty one 743 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 2: packages per or twelve personnel packages where you have you 744 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 2: know Musker and Dguara. You have Muskrave and Kraft when 745 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 2: they want to use them both inline. I think both 746 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 2: of those guys have actually impressed me out of the 747 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 2: gate in terms of their blocking craft. Is just a 748 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 2: gritty guy that I think is going to get after it. 749 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 2: I think Musgrave has proved he's good enough, you know, 750 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 2: early on here to build upon that. But that you know, 751 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 2: how this game goes, Mike, you need other guys to 752 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 2: step up too. Austin Allen six foot eight, two hundred 753 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 2: and fifty three pounds out of Nebraska. This is a 754 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 2: huge opportunity for him to show what he can do. 755 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 2: And I've really liked Henry Pearson too, the kid from 756 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 2: app State who is a tight ended app State. The 757 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 2: Packers are labeling him as a fullback six foot two, 758 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 2: two hundred and forty nine pounds, but he was the 759 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,720 Speaker 2: guy that sort of stepped up when Josiah was out 760 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 2: in that h back role. All those guys are going 761 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 2: to have to find ways to contribute, and especially those 762 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 2: those last two. That's going to be who's going to 763 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 2: be carrying a bulk of the Packers snaps here in 764 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 2: these preseason games. Moving forward. I think Dre Miller also 765 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 2: was repping with the tight ends at practice on Monday. 766 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the long term plan or 767 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 2: if that was just, hey, we need another guy with 768 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 2: those guys to get through this practice. But certainly the 769 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers losing a guy like Tyler Davis, who 770 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 2: gives you so much on special teams in addition to 771 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 2: the fact that I thought he was putting together a 772 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 2: good camp on offense, had the touchdown right before one 773 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 2: quarter earlier from Sean Clifford at the end of the 774 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 2: two minute. You hate to see that. Davis as a 775 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 2: kid that has done all the right things, set all 776 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 2: the right things, had a tough preseason last year offensively, 777 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 2: but bounce back to lead the Packers and special team snaps. 778 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 2: Sucks for him that a golden opportunity is presented, and unfortunately, 779 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 2: we know how the sport is, and we know how 780 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 2: the preseason is. ACL injuries, you know, significant knee injuries, 781 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 2: they do happen, and unfortunately collected Davis. 782 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 4: What a tough kid. 783 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 2: That dude is, though, right, I mean the fact that 784 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 2: he was able to get up and jog off the 785 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 2: field very labored, but still jogged off the field. I 786 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 2: think that really speaks to the type of character he 787 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 2: has and the way he approaches this game. Yeah. 788 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,479 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and with that we will call it a rap 789 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers Unscript. 790 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 4: You'd be sure to. 791 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: Follow all of our coverage of the team. We have 792 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: the joint practices this week with the new England pots. 793 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: We will have all of it for you on Packers 794 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: dot com. So for Wes, I am Mike. Thank you 795 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: for tuning in everybody, and we will see you next time. 796 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 4: Hm.