1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Hi, This is Zach Wheeler. Welcome to Philly Show. 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: Hi everybody, Ruben Tomorrow Junior in Clearwater, Jim Salisbury in Westchester, PA. 3 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 2: Todd's a lucky in Clearwater next to Ruben. It's the 4 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 2: Philly Show. It is Thursday, March twentieth, twenty twenty five. 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: We're actually recording this though Wednesday after Wednesday's game, and 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: I tell you what, we were kind of lining up 7 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: the show and we had some ideas and then boom, 8 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: post game, we're talking to Rob Thompson, guys, and we're 9 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 2: talking about Taiwan Walker, and I brought up the question 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: to Rob Thompson, Hey, Taiwan does not want to talk 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: about starting the season in the bullpen. He does not 12 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 2: want to talk about not being a starting pitcher. And 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: Rob says, well, I don't either, and we said, well, 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: where do you think that he stands? He says, well, 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: there's still a battle going on and it was matc Eelboes. 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: So there's we're not set in the rotation yet. He 17 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 2: said no, not really, and then he finally revealed that 18 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 2: Ranger swore Sworez is dealing with a stiff back, a 19 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: stiff back something that came up a day or two 20 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 2: after he threw sixty pitches four innings on Saturday over 21 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: at the Carpenter Complex. And so now we're going to 22 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 2: wait and see. Rob Thompson said the next twenty four 23 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: to forty eight hours are going to be very, very important. 24 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: He was Ranger was supposed to pitch in the split 25 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 2: squad game on Friday. It's probably not going to happen now, 26 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: or is not going to happen now. We don't know 27 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: when he's going to pitch next. We don't know how 28 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: bad the back your injury is, although Rob's did say 29 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: it is not as severe as bad as it was 30 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: last season. Remember the back kind of derailed his entire 31 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: second half. He says it's not as serious as it 32 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: was last season, but still Ranger swore as stiff lower back. 33 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: We might see Range Taiwan Walker in the rotation at all. 34 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: Early Too early to say, of course, But Rubin, what's 35 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: your immediate reaction to to this this news? 36 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: Well, it's not great news obviously for the Phils. They've 37 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: had camp quiet pretty much other than Strom, and Strom 38 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: looks like he's bouncing back. I think he threw a 39 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: bullpen today and the ball came out pretty good. He's 40 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: feeling pretty good about himself, and I think so is 41 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: Rob Thompson. That said, I mean, this would be a 42 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: big loss if they especially with the back, it can 43 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: be a little Backs can be very tricky. Obviously, you 44 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: can't perform as an athlete if your back's not feeling right. 45 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: And and he's had this, you know there's a history 46 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: behind this as well, so that combination gives his cause 47 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: for concern. There's no question about that. The fact that 48 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: they do have three off off days in like the 49 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: first you know, a few weeks of the season. That's 50 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: a good thing. A couple of weeks or so in 51 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: the season so they can line things up so that 52 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: they can skip that fifth starter spot. Maybe once, probably 53 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: not twice, but we haven't figured all those numbers out. 54 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: But hey, when anytime you lose anybody in your rotation, 55 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: it's an issue, and you know they're gonna have to 56 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: deal with It's one of the reasons why they signed 57 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: Joe Ross, one of the reasons why Tyler Taiwan Walker 58 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: is still here in camp and you know, not released, 59 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: and that thirty six or thirty eight million dollars isn't 60 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: but you know, by the wayside, because they may may 61 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 1: very well it looks like they may very well need 62 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: him as the fist starter. James. 63 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 3: My reaction is no bueno, No bueno. 64 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: You're right, yet that's. 65 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 4: Like I don't like to hear this, especially given the 66 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 4: young man's history last year hamstring, back, shoulder, there was 67 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 4: shoulder fatigue in there as well. And you know, it's 68 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 4: like the old Lenny Diister. Line Backs are tricky. Backs 69 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 4: are tricky, dude, because they're connected to everything. And you know, 70 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 4: he's right, that's what he said. It was a good 71 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 4: He was spot on. And you know they can say 72 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 4: all they want that it's not as serious as last 73 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 4: year whatever, until you see him out there dealing, you 74 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 4: have to be concerned. And we talk about it all 75 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 4: the time. He can never have enough pitching depth. And 76 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 4: this is an example why. I mean the team they 77 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 4: face today has really been hit hard, the Yankees. But 78 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 4: you need Rangers wires, You need him to be good 79 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 4: and need him to have that really good walk year 80 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 4: because it's a win win situation. He can benefit from 81 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 4: it as he goes on to free agency, and I 82 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 4: have no doubt he's going to go on to free agency. 83 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 4: I've all along thought this was going to be going 84 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 4: to be his swan song in Philadelphia. But the other 85 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 4: half of the win situation is you want him to 86 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 4: have a great year because your team will benefit from it. 87 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 4: So I'm not going to overreact, but this is something 88 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 4: you got to keep an eye on and something that Yeah, 89 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 4: it definitely concerns me. 90 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 2: Yes, the Ranger might potentially pitching a Graper League game 91 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: before the camp breaks. I would say it's unlikely, but 92 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: you know he can stay back and pitch an innersquad 93 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: games in clear Water before he needed. If you look 94 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 2: at the schedule, you're right, there's a couple off days. 95 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,239 Speaker 2: You know, at day day after opening Day March twenty eighth, 96 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: they come home and then they have Looking at the schedule, 97 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 2: now they have an off day on April first, and 98 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: then they have an off date on April seventh. Now 99 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: they have five games in a row from April second 100 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: to April six, So I you know they would need 101 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: a fifth starter at that point. That could be Taiwan Walker. 102 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: Maybe Ranger Suarez just benefits from a little extra rest. 103 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: Maybe he comes back and pitches in that game. Now, 104 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: if they back date him, if they would have to 105 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: start him on the il. You can backdate the fifteen 106 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: day ail. I believe it's three days, and so I 107 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: think he could come back in that situation as early 108 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 2: as April eighth against the Braves down in Atlanta. So 109 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: just kind of you kind of look at these things 110 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: and try to figure out what we're long ways away. 111 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: Like Rob Thompson said a postgame in his office, next 112 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: twenty four to forty eight hours are are going to 113 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: be pretty important. 114 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. 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He was kind of like 145 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: one of the nice stories of Camp and my pleasant surprises. 146 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: We talked all off season about him. You know, is 147 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: this guy really going to be able to you know, 148 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: get his velocity back and get the split working again. 149 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: First three starts were really good, and then today through 150 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: two scoreless innings and then just got hit, got hit 151 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: really hard. Ruben, you were you were doing the game, 152 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: would you what'd you think of Taiwan? 153 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean came out of the at the very 154 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: the outset. He was actually pretty sharp. I like this fastball. 155 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: He felt it looking like a had good life to it. 156 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: He ran into like a longer inning at like a 157 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: twenty seven pitch inning, either the second or third inning, 158 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: and sort of gassed him a little bit and he 159 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: started to miss the spots, got banged around with some 160 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: home runs, left some pitches in the middle of the plate. 161 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: I thought that he didn't really have a feel for 162 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: his split, which he has to have. If he doesn't 163 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: have that pitch, I mean, it's troublesome because his secondary 164 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: pitches beyond that split are not great. He did throw 165 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: like a one, very very good curveball today for a 166 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: punch out, but he's got to have that split fastball 167 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: split combination, and if he doesn't have it makes it 168 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: troublesome for him. But hey, they may have to count 169 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: on him. Now. That's the reason why he's around the 170 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: fact that you know, they have a little bit more 171 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: depth than they've had in the past, but you can 172 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: never have enough. We've talked about it a million times. 173 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: It's so cliche. You need pitching, and you need more pitching, 174 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,359 Speaker 1: and then after that you need some more. Right. 175 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: Funny because everybody this in spring was like, now they 176 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 2: should trade them, they should trade them, all these teams. 177 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: He's starting pitching, And I've been kind of in the 178 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: mind of, I don't know, like even before this Ranger 179 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: thing happened, like, do you really want to just trade 180 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: him just to trade them unless you get something? Of course, 181 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: it just makes a ton of sense for you to 182 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: do it. A team comes by and says, how about, 183 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 2: well we'll you know, we'll take on thirty million of 184 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 2: the remaining thirty six or something, then then of course 185 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: you do it. But I was, I was in the 186 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: mind of, you don't necessarily need to rush and give 187 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 2: him away, and and man, maybe that ends up becoming 188 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 2: pretty important. 189 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 4: Don't you think though, Like they can't trade him, and 190 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 4: if they could have traded them, we would have been 191 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 4: traded by now. 192 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 3: I just don't think there's a lot. 193 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: Of a lot of Probably so yeah, probably not not 194 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: a lot of flow on him, Jim. Probably not a 195 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: lot of flow. 196 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 6: Damn say, But I do have to say that you know, 197 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 6: the ball is coming out of the hand better but 198 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 6: he's gonna have to throw and command his pitches as 199 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 6: well as anybody, just because his stuff is not nearly 200 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 6: as sharp as it was maybe three or four years ago. 201 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: And so he's going to have to have really excellent 202 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: command to be able to manage himself through five or 203 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: six innings. And that's really what you want, I mean, 204 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: out of your fifth starter. If you can get five 205 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: or six innings consistently, then you're you're in business. 206 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 4: This makes Joe did Joe Ross signing looked pretty good. 207 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 4: I mean, obviously it makes the Lozarto acquisition look good 208 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 4: because now you're talking about your fifth starter, not your 209 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 4: third or fourth starter. Right, it would be nice if 210 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 4: mckabel would start throwing strikes and things like that. So 211 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 4: you just need all these guys obviously. 212 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of funny, you know, the last few 213 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: days we've been trying to get Rob to kind of 214 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: tip us off on how the rotation is gonna set up, 215 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: because it clear very clearly it is Zach. I mean, 216 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 2: Zach Wheeler is the opening day starter. But but Rob 217 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: has been reluctant to say anything beyond that. And you know, 218 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 2: as Jesus Lozardo's lined up to pitch Game two, Aaron 219 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 2: Nola have to pitch Game three. Christopher Sanchez is lined 220 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: up to pitch the home opener against the Rockies. But 221 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 2: that was something that robs today's like, that's why I 222 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 2: have not wanted to say what the rotation is beyond Zach, 223 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: because we've known that that ranger has been sidelined or 224 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: you know, put down because of this this back issue. 225 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: So it raises the question do they speed up Andrew 226 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: Painter and the question, and I think I'll answer that 227 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: for you. They will not. I don't. I do not 228 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: think that this will speed up his you know, overall development. 229 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: It's not gonna be still gonna be June and julyish 230 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: unless something miraculous happens. I got to believe that they're 231 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: going to stay with the plan. The man is too 232 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: important to the organization short German long term, and so 233 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: for those who think that they should be speeding him up, 234 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen. They got to be careful with 235 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: this young man and make sure that he's one hundred 236 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: percent and ready to go, and they're doing it intelligently. 237 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: So I'll answer my own question. Yeah, it's not changing his. 238 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 4: Timeline, and I'm glad you brought that up, because I'm 239 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 4: sure that throught is going to cross you know, a 240 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 4: lot of people's minds, but you know they're going to 241 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 4: be They're going to be committed to the plan they have. 242 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 4: And Dobroski has flat has used the word the expression 243 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 4: July ish. He's also said, could that be sometime in June, sure, 244 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 4: could that be sometime in August. 245 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: Sure? 246 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 4: But they need to run the play here for the 247 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 4: good of their organization and for their future and for 248 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 4: the future of this young man. He's coming off Tommy 249 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 4: John surgery hasn't pitched in two seasons. It has to 250 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 4: be a slow, smart, methodical ramp up. And he's going 251 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 4: to be on a workload budget, and you have to 252 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 4: budget it so you get most of that workload in 253 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 4: the most important months of the season. 254 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 2: Well, you know the bad news, I guess with the ranger. 255 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 2: The concerning is with ranger Mattstrom bullpen a day and 256 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 2: we talked to him afterwards and he said he felt great. 257 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: He said it was the best villa we had all spring. 258 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 2: His his vila was like ninety one point five in 259 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: his first two appearances. It was down from where it 260 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: was last spring. Rob Thompson said, the same thing that 261 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 2: was his best VILA last ring. He looked really, really good. 262 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: So here's the good news. Rob Thompson was encouraged enough 263 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: by that to say that if matt Strom wakes up 264 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: on Thursday feeling good, he could pitch in a Graaper 265 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 2: League game as early as Friday. If not Friday, then Saturday. 266 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 2: He said, If matt Strom pitches Friday or Saturday and 267 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: he feels good, he sees no reason why he can't 268 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: be ready to start the season with the team. So 269 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: if that's the case, that's certainly good news, especially with 270 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 2: now you're talking about maybe Taiwan sliding over at a 271 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 2: ranger spot if that ends up happening, So there's some 272 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: there's some good news, and that's you know, we're talking 273 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: about an all star lefty reliever, so they need him. 274 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's huge, just big for him. I know that 275 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: he's a guy that wants to chopping at the bit. 276 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: He's not backing off, so they have to be careful 277 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: with him. That said, you know, the proopers into putting 278 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: and the ball was coming out of his hand really 279 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: well according to most people, and if he bounces back 280 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: again in the next few days, and he's healthy and 281 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: good to go. He's the kind of guy that I 282 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: don't think needs a ton of work as far as 283 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: you know, getting ready and you know, being able to 284 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: pitch in the big League. So he's a veteran, he 285 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: knows what he's doing, and hopefully, if he is healthy, 286 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: he'll be on that mound opening day at some point. 287 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 4: I'm still gonna be cautious with him, because you know, 288 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 4: this is a long haul sport. 289 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 3: It's about the long haul. 290 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 4: It's about when you have a roster like this, they 291 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 4: should play in October. That's where the prize is. I'm 292 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 4: not saying the regular The regular season is obviously very important, 293 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 4: but they you need to be careful with some of 294 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 4: these guys out of the gate. There'll be plenty of 295 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 4: time for them to to, you know, make up what 296 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 4: they miss. You just have to make sure that they're 297 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 4: all ready to go one hundred percent healthy. I just 298 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 4: wouldn't go into the season with a guy who's only 299 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 4: ninety percent. He can he can make up that next 300 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 4: ten percent, you know, in games that matter. 301 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 3: I wouldn't do. 302 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: It well if if he for some reason he's not 303 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: ready to go, or if he is ready to go, 304 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 2: and Taiwan Walker moves in the rotation because Ranger isn't 305 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: ready to go, they're gonna need to fill another bullpen spot. 306 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: Two guys pitching tomorrow, I guess are in the mix. 307 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: One of them is certainly in the mix, and that's 308 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: the Bill Chris Matt. He is starting on State Wednesday 309 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: or Thursday, Yeah, Thursday, tomorrow today, it's gonna be Thursday 310 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 2: as we're recording. Thursday. He is Bill. Chris Matt is 311 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: going to pitch in it in Northport against the Braves. 312 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 2: So they're starting him, so they they want him to 313 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: face the lineup and see kind of how he handles 314 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: that lineup, that Atlanta lineup. And then Kyle Tyler, who's 315 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: on the forty men roster as a starter but is 316 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: pitched in relief, he's going to follow him. So either 317 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: they're given those guys two good looks. 318 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, and that's the way you do, and that's 319 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: how you find out. I mean, these guys, the Atlanta 320 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: Braves are pretty close to being fully ready and you're 321 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: to see a pretty darn good lineup against him. So, hey, 322 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: this is the time of the year where you find 323 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: out whether guys are really ready to help you at 324 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: the major league level, and great job of testing these 325 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: guys and seeing if they can be a real option. 326 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: Did you guys see yesterday Jose Alvarado's breaking ball to 327 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: Tommy Fam. 328 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, he turned it over a little bit. 329 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: She turned it over. It was kind of like it 330 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: went it went armside right and a scrooge. It was 331 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 2: a scroogie. So I thought this was really interesting and 332 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 2: pitching Ninja that that Twitter account first mentioned this, but 333 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: I dug into this. So al rot through this curveball yesterday. 334 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: It had five point six inches of arm side movement. 335 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: So yeah, like I had some screwball movement. And Tommy 336 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 2: FAM's reaction was like, yeah, hell was that? I have 337 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: no idea what that was, and so me being me, 338 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 2: I didn't. I was like, Okay, that that looks unusual, 339 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 2: But how unusual is it really? Well, now because we 340 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: have stack cast, we can actually look this up. So 341 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 2: last season, every left hander in baseball who threw at 342 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 2: least fifty curveballs had the pitch move glove side at 343 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 2: least glove side, meaning you know, like a normal curveball 344 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 2: at least point one inches Okay, every pitcher that threw 345 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 2: at least fifty curveballs at least point one inches except 346 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: two Drew Smiley three point two inches armside and Marco 347 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: Gonzalez point four arm inches armside. Alvarado's curveball this spring 348 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 2: is averaging one point nine inches of armside movement. That 349 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 2: means the only guy who's throwing a curveball like that 350 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 2: more like moving more like that is Drew Smiley, and 351 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: Drew Smiley does not throw as hard as Jose Alorado. 352 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: He's not throwing one on one with a nasty cutter 353 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: and like, you know, a nasty curveball as well. So 354 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 2: I just thought that was kind of a fun little 355 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: stat in terms of like how unusual that is and 356 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: how that could if he can throw a few of 357 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 2: those this season. That's kind of a fun little weapon 358 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 2: and fun little thing to watch going forward. 359 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 7: It's not gonna be his bread and butter because it's 360 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 7: it's one hundred mile an hour and one hundred and 361 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 7: one mile an hour fastball, and he's a sinker that 362 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 7: he's featuring and you know, ninety six mile, ninety four 363 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 7: mile an hour cutter that he's that he's firing off 364 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 7: right now and he's really pitching, well, he didn't pitch 365 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 7: and then back to back. 366 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: He did not use that breaking ball. But boy oh boy, 367 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: was his stuff filthy again against the Yankees. And it's 368 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: nice to see him bouncing back with this kind of confidence, 369 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff and command. Command being number one 370 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: for him because he can be a true, true weapon 371 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: if he's right, a true weapon for that bullpen and 372 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: would certainly mitigate the issues they might be having with 373 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: that strup. 374 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 3: It's crazy with that. 375 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 4: It's sort of like it sounds like that breaking ball 376 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 4: is backing up. 377 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: No, Ruben, Yeah, it's like a backup breaking ball, and 378 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: it's it's like the toughest pitch in baseball because you've 379 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: never seen it as a hitter. You just don't see it. 380 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: The ball is supposed to break from the left hand, 381 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: or supposed to break to the arm side if it's 382 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: a curveball, supposed to go sort of left to right, 383 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: if you're looking at the catcher, and if you go 384 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: left to left, left, you know, if you go right 385 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: to left, then it's just bizarre. You just your eyes 386 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: can't adjust to it. It's just no way. There's really 387 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: no way to hit the pitch unless it's hung in 388 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: the middle of the plate because you just don't see 389 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: that rotation. Is it an accident or an accident. I 390 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: don't know. If he was working on it, I have 391 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: no idea, but if. 392 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 3: He's working on a curveball, he. 393 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: Did say a few weeks ago, a couple of weeks 394 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 2: ago when I talked to me, he was. He said 395 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 2: he was working hard on his curveball all spring. And again, 396 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 2: like the fact that it's averaging that, I don't know 397 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 2: if it's I mean, that was an extreme instance of it, 398 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 2: like that break. He hasn't thrown a ton, but the 399 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 2: average again is one point nine, which is still would 400 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 2: be second and Drew Smiley if you threw it, you know. 401 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 2: So I don't know if it's an accident or not, 402 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 2: but it's certainly going that way this spring. 403 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: So now I know he's. 404 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 4: Working on the pitch. It's just got a very unusual 405 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 4: break to it. But hey, let's know what you do 406 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 4: with that. You take put that under your arm like 407 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 4: a football, and you hit the hole right exactly. 408 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: We're not in football season right now, Jim. We're in 409 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: basketball and baseball season. 410 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 3: I'm speaking to the people, though, this is a big 411 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 3: football town. 412 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 4: In case you haven't heard, is it some green team, 413 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 4: the Green Monsters. 414 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. Well it's also basketball time now, 415 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 2: you know, we got the NCAA tournament. 416 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 3: That is a hell of a segue, my boy. 417 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I've prepared something for you. I want to see, 418 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 4: you know, in honor of the nc tournament, which, uh, 419 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 4: great time of year. Everybody loves the NCAA Tournament, right. 420 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 4: So I went through the field of I guess this 421 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 4: sixty some odd team, sixty four and then they got 422 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 4: to play in or whatever. So and I came up 423 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 4: with like eighteen or nineteen teams that I think might 424 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 4: have a Phillies connection. 425 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 3: Okay, in most cases a guy. 426 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 4: Who went to that school and played for the Phillies. 427 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 4: And I want to see I want some quick answers. 428 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 4: Are you ready for this? 429 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, let's do this. 430 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 3: All right. 431 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna fail, but yeah. 432 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 4: All right, give me, like, come on, you got to 433 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 4: know the answer to the most famous Philly that played 434 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 4: at Michigan. 435 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: State, Robin Roberts. 436 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 4: There you go, all right, give me Philly that played 437 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,239 Speaker 4: at Old Miss. Come on, hurry up. 438 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 2: Jonathan papplebon no, no, no, was he Mississippi State? 439 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 3: Yes, David Delucci, old miss. 440 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: David Delucci, old mess. 441 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 4: We have a New Mexico connection, which I don't know 442 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 4: if gonna get see if Rubin might know this New 443 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 4: Mexico Phillies connection. 444 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 3: Come on. Jim Fragosi, junior, former Philly Scout. 445 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 4: I think he led the nation in slugging as a 446 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 4: junior at New Mexico. He was an employee. He didn't 447 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 4: play for it, but he was a scout. You know 448 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 4: his connection connections. Rod Nichols, former Phillies bullpen coach, was 449 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 4: also in that lineup with Jim. 450 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 3: They were two big hitters at New Mexico. 451 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 4: I think he used to call him bang and bang 452 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 4: anyway onto Alabama? 453 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 2: Oh man, Well, David Robertson pitched for Alabama. Right, I'm 454 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: trying to think who else is there? Is there a 455 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 2: bigger Philly than David Robertson and out from Alabama? 456 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 3: I put Adam Morgan on the list. Adam Morgan I 457 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 3: had an inside and on the inside joke for you. 458 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 4: Somebody else that pitched at Alabama. 459 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 3: That was the. 460 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 2: That was the old Marlins PA guy. He had this 461 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 2: press box guy. Yeah, the old press box guy. Taylor 462 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 2: tankers Lee one inning, pitched three hits, one run. 463 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, come on, I know you'll know this 464 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 4: with Todd Maryland, Maryland. 465 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 2: I don't know that. 466 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 3: Milton, Eric Milton, Oh, Eric Milton came. 467 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: Up one Andrew Amarrow, who's now a scalt with the Reds. 468 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 2: How about that? 469 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 3: There you go? How about and he. 470 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: Played for the Phillies organization? Organization? 471 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 3: Is that the kid who played at U T That's correct. 472 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: He is a transfer. 473 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 3: He was at Illinois as well, not Illinois, Virginia, Maryland. 474 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 4: Oh, he's at Maryland. Okay, yeah, I'm sorry Maryland. All right, 475 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 4: this is already. 476 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 3: Uh becoming a chore. 477 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 2: No, No, it's good. 478 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 3: I don't think it's any good anyway. Illinois, Illinois. You 479 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 3: won't get it. 480 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 2: John Felski, Oh, John, I would have never gotten that 481 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 2: in a billion years. 482 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 3: All right, you gotta get left. 483 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 8: Tannel came up at the end of the year pitch 484 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 8: for Illinois, who kind of a soft tossing left handed 485 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 8: and pitched against the Arizona Diamondbacks and threw a pretty 486 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 8: good game against the starter. 487 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: Boy. 488 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: I can't remember that year. 489 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: Why am I brain locking? 490 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 3: Uh Kobe Allard? 491 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, was he from Illinois? He I could be wrong. 492 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 3: I don't know what he was wrong looking it up, Todd. 493 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: Likely incorrect. 494 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 3: Okay, how about this, you gotta get this one. Texas. 495 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: Lemons went to Texas, Cody went to Texas. 496 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 3: Cam Rupp second round? All right? How about how about 497 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 3: how about Clemson? 498 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: H Clemson? 499 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 4: You got some You've got some current Philly uh representation, 500 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 4: you got Wes Wilson, and you got Mike Kalechi. 501 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 3: The bench had Brad Miller, Brad Bamboo Miller. 502 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: The home run hat. 503 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 3: Here's a here's a good one for you, Louisville. 504 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 2: Oh my, Gosha Davis tag Davis. 505 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 4: Ben Davis's son is a freshman. Thank you, Phillies connection. 506 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 3: He is killing it. His ops is over twelve hundred. 507 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 4: He's slugging like seven thirty two as a freshman. 508 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: The kid is the moa. Yeah, he's raking. 509 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 4: He was raking also. Bj Rosenberg went there. How about Creighton. 510 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: Darren? 511 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, very good. How about Michigan. 512 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: Casey close he was he was anconer, Ryan Howard. 513 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. 514 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: The connection connection. 515 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 3: Baseball getting the hang of this, Ruben Phillies Phillies. 516 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 2: But there's a Phillies player that went to Michigan. 517 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, from Ruben. 518 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 4: Bat Boy era, second baseman Teddy size More, Ted Sizemore. 519 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 2: That sounds I would have never gotten that one. 520 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 3: All right, So you're not gonna get this one. 521 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 4: But Auburn, who's got a heck of a basketball team, 522 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 4: they're gonna they're gonna make some noise. 523 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 3: As he's saying, the tournament. There was a guy who 524 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 3: pitched for the nineteen thirty five Phillies. 525 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: Come on, Jay, Yeah, no, listen, pitch. Did you watch him? 526 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: No? 527 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 4: I didn't cover that game. I was off anyway. So 528 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 4: his name was Ray prim p R. I m for 529 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 4: the nineteen thirty five Phillies and he was not good. 530 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 4: He gave up one hundred and ten hits in seventy 531 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 4: seventy three innings, one hundred and ten hits and seventy 532 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 4: five point seven to seven e RA. 533 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 3: So he's he obviously is not on the Wall of Fame. 534 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: He was. 535 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: He was a finesse guy. 536 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 3: He was a he gave up a lot of hard 537 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 3: hit balls. 538 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 4: All right, here's one you should guys should get U 539 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 4: c l last one no or almost there. 540 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 3: U c l A. 541 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 2: Oh, Chase l A, Chase l E. 542 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 4: Eric Valan, Jeff con I remember that great quote, Jeff 543 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 4: quote Conine had Todd after they picked him up. 544 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 2: Jeff, No, I don't remember this guy about throwing up. 545 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: You never wanted bat at u c l A. 546 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 3: You're right, I wrote about that. 547 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: He was a picture, not one I faced him. 548 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 2: We used to call him blue Glove, Jeff Conine. I 549 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: remember that he was with the Phillies. What it was 550 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 2: a two thousand and six. 551 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: Your boy Ed Price used to get on him bad 552 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: about his blue glove. 553 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 3: Really, Ed Price was a. 554 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: What he was the best chirper in the history of 555 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 1: the pack ten. Really you got it. 556 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 3: We digress, but you're right. Yes, he had the quote 557 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 3: about throwing up in his mouth. 558 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 2: Jeff Conin, Yeah, I remember that came in. 559 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 3: It made Park all right. University of Houston, Michael Bourne. 560 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 4: Michael Bourne, and Matt Beach. Matt Beach was one of 561 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 4: the funniest guys ever. He gave up one of the 562 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 4: longest home runs I've ever seen in my life at 563 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 4: Veterans Stadium center Field upper deck to Andrew Jones. 564 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 3: You remember that, I know it. 565 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 8: I have to tell you this story, Jim, because it 566 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 8: was my favorite. I was playing left field, and when 567 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 8: he hit it, I actually ran into the towards the 568 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 8: enfield to look back to see how amazing it was struck. 569 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 9: And it smoked off the four hundred facade up there, 570 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 9: in that four hundred level that right around the Vet Stadium. 571 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 9: It was the longest tracer hardest hit ball I. 572 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: Have ever seen. 573 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 3: Yep, how about that fun. 574 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 4: I actually I actually when Matt Beach I think he 575 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 4: was pitching in the Yankees system. 576 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 3: I actually went and saw him. 577 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,479 Speaker 4: He was in Columbus, Ohio, I think, and he had 578 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 4: I think he had Tommy John surgery twice. 579 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 3: And he offers, how about that home Remember that home run? 580 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 3: I gave him to Andrew Jones. 581 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: He was a great majestic that this has a sense 582 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: of humor about it. 583 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: How about Arizona University of Arizona. 584 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:11,719 Speaker 2: That is Scott Scott Kingery, Scott Kingery, Tito Francona, Oh, Tito, 585 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 2: that's correct. 586 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 4: And another guy, left handed pitcher, Ed Vosberg. 587 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: Who I faced him in college there. 588 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 4: Once pitched an entire inning for the Phillies. And you 589 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 4: can go look this up. Pitched and it was on TV. 590 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 4: I covered the game at the Veteran Stadium. He pitched 591 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 4: an entire inning with a dragonfly on his on his hat. 592 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 3: It was so funny. Remember that. 593 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: Also, and he also had the greatest pickoff move in 594 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: the history of baseball ever Atsburg. Wow, unbelievable pickup. 595 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 4: Good guy, good guy. It's with a big old dragonfly 596 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 4: on his hat. All right, almost there, Ruben, you know 597 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 4: you gotta know this one Baylor. 598 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 3: Number one pick, first round. 599 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: What I know this Baylor? 600 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 3: Wait? 601 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 2: Is it the left handed pitcher, the first round pick 602 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 2: became a hitter. Why am I blanking on him? 603 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: Yes? 604 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 3: Oh? 605 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, no? No the other guy? Oh it wasn't him, 606 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: was it Pat Comes? I think you're talking about guy 607 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: hitter Savor? 608 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 3: He was Rice. He was Rice. He was Rice. That's right, Okay, okay, 609 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 3: we got three more. I know this was painful. Mississippi 610 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 3: State you already said, papal bomb. But the phil He's 611 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 3: had a number one pick out of Mississippi State. 612 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 2: They had a number one pick out of Mississippi State. 613 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 2: Did he ever play for the. 614 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 4: Phillies, Yes, and then he was traded into the Padres 615 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 4: and the Andy Ashby deal. 616 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: Reuben the right handed. 617 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 3: Steve Carlton Lower and Lower Carlton Lower. Also nineteen eighty 618 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,479 Speaker 3: Hero del Uncer. 619 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 2: Oh, no, kidding, del answer, I should have known that. 620 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 3: You should know this. Arkansas. 621 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 4: Cliff Lee, Cliff Lee and Aidan Miller was a commit 622 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 4: to Arkansas. 623 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, just to commands. 624 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,719 Speaker 4: And you both will be happy to hear as our 625 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 4: listeners will be happy to hear. 626 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 3: Only one more. I want to see if you can 627 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 3: get this one Kansas. 628 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 2: Oh, Rob Thompson, Right, Rob Thompson. 629 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 3: And one more. 630 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 4: One of our favorites, Todd, one of our favorite and 631 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 4: he was a left handed pitcher, and and we gave 632 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 4: him a great nickname because Charlie had a lot of 633 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 4: trouble with his name. 634 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 3: Oh my god, who is it? 635 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: It wasn't Kyle Kendrick. 636 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 4: It was Mike Zegerski, Yes, and Charlie. 637 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: Charlie had a little trouble with that one. 638 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 4: Charlie used to call or Charlie used to call him Gazerski, 639 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 4: and Mike loved it. 640 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 3: Mike loved it. And we used to call Mike big 641 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 3: g for gas. 642 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 2: Then but Charlie then Nelison call him about z Peck. 643 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 2: Remember that you call him z Peck. How about z Peck? 644 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 3: Mike love that. 645 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: I like that. Jim, that was pretty good. 646 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 2: Man. 647 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 3: That was terrible one of us, None of us. Man, 648 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 3: We're gonna get hate mail on that. 649 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 2: No, we won't. None of our schools made the NCAA Tournament. Stanford, 650 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 2: not in Minnesota, not in Providence. 651 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 3: Not in none of them. 652 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 2: Best best best player Jim that ever came out of Providence, 653 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: big leaguer, John McDonald. 654 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 3: Well McDonald, marloney and. 655 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 2: Bertie Tebbetts, Bertie Tabbitts. What about Stanford, Mike Messina. 656 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 8: Mike Mashina, Jack McDowell, But Mikeena has to be the best. 657 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Minnesota, Paul Maltor or Dave Winfield got some good 658 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 2: ones there. 659 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, where you go there? Yeah, just because it's 660 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: overall amazing athleticism. 661 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 2: God, I've go with Ma because you played for the Brewers. 662 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 3: And they were both from Saint Paul. 663 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, well yeah. Uh. Joe Mouer went to 664 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 2: the same high school as Paul crem Durham. 665 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: The amateur players of all time. 666 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 2: Joe pretty good pro player, he was okay, he was 667 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 2: all right, all right. So we have Ranger Suarez is 668 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,719 Speaker 2: down Matt Strom is up. We learned a little bit 669 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 2: about some of the players and some of the NCAA 670 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 2: tournament schools. Jim, I I enjoyed that. Jim, he tested 671 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 2: you tested my memory there. You got me on a 672 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: couple of good ones. 673 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 3: That was good. 674 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you made Ruben look bad, But that's okay, that's 675 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 2: all right. 676 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: The first time. It's not the first time you've done 677 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: that to me. 678 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 4: I just had a little uh. But honestly, the highlight 679 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 4: of it was Teed Davis. He he is absolutely mashing 680 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 4: it as a fresh freshman. 681 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 3: Or whatever it is. 682 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 2: How about that. Keep an eye on that. All right, Well, 683 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 2: we will be back later this week. We're gonna have 684 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 2: we got one more show coming later this week, so 685 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 2: we'll we'll have that for you. So maybe if you 686 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 2: guys want send us some questions on any of our 687 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 2: social media channels, we'll try to tackle a few of 688 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 2: those in our next episode. Jim, We'll smell you later, buddy, 689 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 2: Smell you guys later. 690 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: Mane Jim. 691 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 2: The Philly Show is brought to you by the Foul 692 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 2: Territory Network. Subscribe to The Philly Show on YouTube and 693 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts. 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