Speaker 1: They around the NFL podcast wants you to show some
Speaker 1: damn respect this Black Monday. I mean, these are people, man, exactly.
Speaker 2: From the Chris Wesley podcast studio. It's around the NFL.
Speaker 2: Dan hansis heroes, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler, and people don't
Speaker 2: understand that. And it's not even Black Monday. How many
Speaker 2: times do we have to come on the air the
Speaker 2: day after the regular season and remind you that Black
Speaker 2: Monday is defunct.
Speaker 3: This is New Horizons Monday.
Speaker 4: It's good sometimes when the host of your show gets it,
Speaker 4: like this guy gets it.
Speaker 3: He really does. Like Dan, let's start here.
Speaker 5: Dan is a bastion of respect towards elders, towards people
Speaker 5: of authority and NFL coach types.
Speaker 3: So I think it starts with you and I have a.
Speaker 6: Take, and I just want to say, because it is
Speaker 6: this is all kind of.
Speaker 3: An ongoing bit.
Speaker 6: Because and Greg likes to align himself with these people too,
Speaker 6: where like this is one of the hardest days. These
Speaker 6: are people and the stabs and all this. I totally
Speaker 6: agree with that. Like people losing their jobs, no matter
Speaker 6: what the job is, is bad news. This is different
Speaker 6: in the sense that the coaching life you sign up
Speaker 6: for this. Unfortunately, it's a transient type business where you
Speaker 6: never stay one place for too long. Look at Bill Beljake,
Speaker 6: you how long was he in New England? Greg twenty
Speaker 6: four years and counting? Perhaps, who knows, We'll get to
Speaker 6: that in a bit. How many guys have been with
Speaker 6: them the whole time? Even the most stable position in
Speaker 6: the history of the head coaching in in this century,
Speaker 6: that staff has been constantly churning. It just that's the
Speaker 6: great question. You're just moving and everything's moving, and I.
Speaker 4: Believe I believe his assistant has been there. And then
Speaker 4: the other ones are the ones that came out of
Speaker 4: his ex wife's body.
Speaker 3: I would believe those are the.
Speaker 4: Only way to say it, the only the only people
Speaker 4: who have remained. Now they weren't working for the Patriots
Speaker 4: the whole time, but technically technically been there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just say that again, just so we have it.
Speaker 4: Ever, I had a different way of saying it, that
Speaker 4: would have been Yeah.
Speaker 6: Anyway, All I'm saying is it is by its nature,
Speaker 6: it's you're always moving around and hopefully, uh, these men
Speaker 6: and women.
Speaker 3: Like my new positions for next year.
Speaker 6: It is kind of a you kind of just rotate
Speaker 6: around typically and hopefully you don't fall.
Speaker 5: It's also like high level executive transactional business, where like
Speaker 5: if someone is working at like rite aid and they
Speaker 5: get canned, we'll go find your go find a new
Speaker 5: job and see if you can pay rent. These guys
Speaker 5: are getting paid lavishly by that, most of them.
Speaker 4: That is why I think people push back that vast
Speaker 4: man I'm saying, the head coaches, the head coaches and.
Speaker 3: General managers, and I understand.
Speaker 5: I get that into my my heart goes out all
Speaker 5: out that that I get that sometimes, like have you
Speaker 5: ever lost a job, Like, sometimes losing the job can
Speaker 5: like it can like refocus make you think about what
Speaker 5: you should go do with your life. So it's like
Speaker 5: not always the worst thing on the planet. So maybe
Speaker 5: it's a great thing. Maybe we should celebrate.
Speaker 6: Well that's why we call it, yeah, not black Monday.
Speaker 3: And we're gonna get into it all.
Speaker 6: And then we're gonna check in before we say goodbye
Speaker 6: here And by the way, if you haven't gotten caught up,
Speaker 6: we just dropped the week eighteen recap banger two hours
Speaker 6: of just the Mastery of the Craft, so you.
Speaker 3: Check that out.
Speaker 6: We're now we're gonna get you caught up where everything
Speaker 6: stands in terms of personnel, and also everybody cleaning out.
Speaker 3: Their lockers that didn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 6: So you have a bunch of pressers going on today,
Speaker 6: a lot going on, and we will close the door
Speaker 6: on our preseason predictions. In the regular season, check in
Speaker 6: on our over unders, checked back see where we ended
Speaker 6: up with a running back draft. Remember that that was fun,
Speaker 6: and also our sandwich props. But let's start with the news.
Speaker 6: And we learned late last night when we were recording
Speaker 6: aforementioned the aforementioned week eighteen recap, that Arthur Blank had
Speaker 6: indeed decided to part ways with Arthur Smith, and they
Speaker 6: have started their search.
Speaker 3: Let's hear a little bit from the owner Blank.
Speaker 6: This is not from PBS and public radios coverage, just
Speaker 6: as from w XIA. They have started their search, but
Speaker 6: they do not have a timetable yet.
Speaker 3: Blank says, I.
Speaker 7: Said, initially, we've kind of begun the process, if you will,
Speaker 7: doesn't take long to get going, So we're moving. But
Speaker 7: I also want to be clear on this is that
Speaker 7: there is no timetable. The only timetable is to do
Speaker 7: this correctly, take our time, be thoughtful, do all the
Speaker 7: interviews be respectful, make sure we have a full, diverse
Speaker 7: slight of candidates that we're considering.
Speaker 4: The most interesting part of the Falcons day, I think
Speaker 4: was number one Terry Fontineau wasn't part of that press conference.
Speaker 3: They said he.
Speaker 4: Will be involved in the head coach search, but his
Speaker 4: role could depend on what the head coach wants to do,
Speaker 4: So that to me sounds like heard that before. It's
Speaker 4: his tenuous It'll depend on if any plan for him
Speaker 4: to work together, but again it could depend on the
Speaker 4: head coach. And thinking, well, who could it be? Deanna
Speaker 4: Rassini among others, have reported that they're interested in Bill Belichick,
Speaker 4: which just gets me thinking, like who is putting that
Speaker 4: out there and what is the purpose of that?
Speaker 3: Is it Belichick's agent?
Speaker 4: Is it the Falcons letting Bill Belichick know that?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It is curious to me our our network hasn't quite
Speaker 4: gotten that hard there yet, But that is a very
Speaker 4: interesting commination.
Speaker 6: Just why does it have to be potentially Machavelli and
Speaker 6: how why isn't the team just interested in him?
Speaker 3: And it's kind of just being for it, But you
Speaker 3: have to find out that way. You have to find out.
Speaker 4: So it's probably from the team, but maybe it's Rich
Speaker 4: McKay who's heavily involved in this. I'm just curious, like why,
Speaker 4: why is that necessary? And maybe they're just trying to
Speaker 4: let him know put a little bit dance around the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I mean, this is the ancient dance.
Speaker 5: I think also like if they're talking about patients Belichick
Speaker 5: may take some patience, that whole process will well. And
Speaker 5: if you talk about Belichick, if you're not going to
Speaker 5: go in with a powerful GM who was going to
Speaker 5: run the ship. It's like, we want to find out
Speaker 5: what Belichick's role in all that is. And I think
Speaker 5: Arthur blank is probably wanting to make this one work.
Speaker 3: It's been it's been tenuous.
Speaker 6: Arthur Blake is not getting any younger and and he
Speaker 6: wants to find somebody that can write the ship. And
Speaker 6: speaking of Bill Belichick, he called an early press conference
Speaker 6: this morning. Uh, And I was wondering late last night, hmm,
Speaker 6: this early press conference. Is he looking at hit the
Speaker 6: ground running and announced that he's leaving. This is the
Speaker 6: guy that once wrote on a napkin and he's resigning
Speaker 6: his HC of the.
Speaker 3: N y J.
Speaker 6: Maybe be dramatic, not that not quite that dramatic. And
Speaker 6: in his presser, Bill underline that he can't really do
Speaker 6: anything right now because he is contractually obligated to be
Speaker 6: the head coach of New England Patriots.
Speaker 8: As far as any you know, decisions or direction or
Speaker 8: anything like that for next year, it's you know, way
Speaker 8: too early for that end of the year processes. You know,
Speaker 8: I don't think will be fundamentally any different from a
Speaker 8: you know, the standpoint of how it's done. The decisions,
Speaker 8: that's all another conversation.
Speaker 3: But how it's.
Speaker 8: Done, you know, meet with Robert like I always do,
Speaker 8: meet with the staff, personnel department, recap the season, looked
Speaker 8: the big picture, and then look at some of the
Speaker 8: individual situations that are yeah, you know, looming one way
Speaker 8: or another. Okay, So, but that's you know, obviously a
Speaker 8: long long way off, very long from where we are
Speaker 8: right now.
Speaker 6: Okay, So, but it is he's saying that. But this
Speaker 6: I would imagine could potentially move pretty quickly here, because
Speaker 6: you know, we're in the business now hiring new coaches,
Speaker 6: and if the Patriots need a new head coach and
Speaker 6: then people want Bill Belichick, this thing has to move.
Speaker 5: I mean, so he's been there for twenty four years,
Speaker 5: you know, rough out of the gate, rough first season,
Speaker 5: but in general he's never had to answer questions like
Speaker 5: this before in New England, anything like this. It's it's
Speaker 5: completely a new territory. And I think that there's a
Speaker 5: couple of things happening. It's like if your craft in Belichick,
Speaker 5: I thought the most shocking thing that could have happened
Speaker 5: was him coming out and given you a note on
Speaker 5: a napkin, because too much has happened here a story.
Speaker 3: Cool. Yeah, I would have been cool.
Speaker 5: But it's not the Jets, and he didn't decide didn't
Speaker 5: want the job twenty four hours after taking it or
Speaker 5: being haven't shoved on him, Like if you're craft, like
Speaker 5: you want to if there's gonna be an exit, it's
Speaker 5: not just I don't I don't think it would just
Speaker 5: be craft flat out firing Bill Belichick. It's gonna have
Speaker 5: to be some sort of it's gonna have to look
Speaker 5: a different way to the public. At least it's gonna
Speaker 5: look a different way, I think. But secondly, like if
Speaker 5: your craft and Belichick is getting interest from other clubs,
Speaker 5: like do you just fire him or do you keep
Speaker 5: Bill Belichick, who's under contracts, so that if he's going
Speaker 5: to go somewhere else, you can trade the greatest coach
Speaker 5: in NFL history for assets versus nothing. It's like, what
Speaker 5: approach do you take? Is it respectful? Is that we're
Speaker 5: gonna do this so it looks good for everyone and
Speaker 5: put a fine bookend on the story, or do we
Speaker 5: get assets as the New England Patriots a team in
Speaker 5: need of a lot for giving away the greatest coach.
Speaker 6: Ever always stated reported yesterday that Belichick essentially has the
Speaker 6: power or they can't make that happen to trade.
Speaker 3: They can't. He would have to go agree to it.
Speaker 5: I mean, if it was a place that he wanted
Speaker 5: to go, kind of like a but it was the Falcons.
Speaker 4: So I do think you can take some interesting things
Speaker 4: from Belichick's press conference. Number one, he mentioned his contract voluntarily.
Speaker 4: He never says that, so right there, He's never had
Speaker 4: to before now, Dave, he's never taught Conra. That was
Speaker 4: very pointed. It was saying I'm under contract. I always
Speaker 4: look to our our friend Tom Kurrn to interpret these.
Speaker 3: He knows it.
Speaker 4: And he also says, as we tape this Monday afternoon,
Speaker 4: on the East Coast. Don't expect anything today. He thought
Speaker 4: it was very much Bill Belichick saying, if you wanna
Speaker 4: fire me, you're gonna have to come do it. Like
Speaker 4: the whole trade thing, why would he help them take
Speaker 4: assets away from the team. He's gotta go. That's it's
Speaker 4: not it's not gonna happen. I don't think there's any
Speaker 4: chance the whole Let's make this warm and professional. If
Speaker 4: we want you to step down, we'll see. He might
Speaker 4: not be willing to do that either. He might be like,
Speaker 4: you want to come fire me, fire me. He did
Speaker 4: express a little bit of flexibility when they asked him
Speaker 4: about would you take on a GM, would you listen
Speaker 4: to having a lesser role, and he said, look, I
Speaker 4: would listen to whatever they think is in the best
Speaker 4: interest of the team.
Speaker 3: Again, Tom Current thought like he's only going to bend
Speaker 3: so far.
Speaker 4: He's not going to change and become like a different
Speaker 4: person and start like answering to some GM who has
Speaker 4: final say. He says, there's always going to be someone
Speaker 4: that has final say. I don't expect him to be there,
Speaker 4: But this does seem like he's telling Craft, if you
Speaker 4: want to fire me, it's like you got to fire me.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to just walk away and make this easy.
Speaker 4: And I think there is some discomfort from Craft of
Speaker 4: being the guy who got rid of Brady and got
Speaker 4: rid of Belichick, which is natural.
Speaker 6: In other news, this was expected obviously, and it went
Speaker 6: down and became official on Monday morning, New Horizons Monday,
Speaker 6: Josh Harris and the Commanders have said goodbye to Ron.
Speaker 3: Rivera, who.
Speaker 6: Is moving on after what was this his third season
Speaker 6: with the team, fourth four seasons at the Helm. He
Speaker 6: went twenty six to forty and one in his four seasons.
Speaker 6: They won the NFC East with a nine and seven
Speaker 6: record his first year, but it's been uphill mostly with
Speaker 6: Rivera and then their eternal search for an answer quarterback
Speaker 6: is a big part of that new ownership, a new
Speaker 6: head coach, new brain trust. Also reported on Monday is
Speaker 6: that Harris has hired two prominent executives, former Golden State
Speaker 6: Warriors John Interested to get your thoughts on this, SASTOG
Speaker 6: Warriors general manager Bob Meyers and former Minnesota Vikings Jim
Speaker 6: Rick Spielman to assist his ownership group with searches for
Speaker 6: the new head of football operations and head coach that
Speaker 6: according to ESPN, this is a NFL the rare for
Speaker 6: those of you that follow the NBA an NFL story
Speaker 6: with a byeline Adrian Rojanowski, quoj and Adasafterbam in the NFL,
Speaker 6: mark your thoughts on a Warriors executive entering the NFL
Speaker 6: fray here.
Speaker 3: Well, football is completely different than basketball.
Speaker 6: Your thoughts on that knew that was coming go ahead?
Speaker 3: Greg, No, that was the bit go ahead?
Speaker 9: Okay, So I it's just's just helping with the search,
Speaker 9: Like I have no problem with this actually, and I've
Speaker 9: seen a lot of like outrage over it, and it's
Speaker 9: I yeah, a little bit just listening to some stuff
Speaker 9: and we're like, why are they I think it was
Speaker 9: specific he was outrage, there's it's it's just some feedback
Speaker 9: I heard heard in general where it's just like radio
Speaker 9: stuff where it's like how could you possibly do this?
Speaker 3: It's like, well, because.
Speaker 5: But you're Josh Harris and like you're doing what I
Speaker 5: think someone like David Tepper and other owners should do.
Speaker 5: Is like I don't know how to do this, Like
Speaker 5: I want help, Like I'm not gonna be some sort
Speaker 5: of like heavy swinging guy that just does what I
Speaker 5: want out of pocket.
Speaker 3: Like I thought it was instructive how much.
Speaker 5: Anger, irritate and mockery there was when the Browns hired
Speaker 5: Paul de Podesta out of MLB, because like he was
Speaker 5: going to be coming from a completely different sport, different thinking,
Speaker 5: And he's actually done a lot of good work for
Speaker 5: them behind the scenes. And this is not someone who's
Speaker 5: sticking around for years and years Bob Myers. Maybe he
Speaker 5: has good ideas. It's like they're looking for the right
Speaker 5: person to lead them. I don't know what the critique is,
Speaker 5: like why it's a big problem show.
Speaker 4: I don't know if there is a great radio. Guys
Speaker 4: just need angles and they.
Speaker 6: Here's Josh Oris on the path toward new leadership.
Speaker 10: Even though this season was hard for me and hard
Speaker 10: for us. It's hard to win four games from my
Speaker 10: point of view, we are coming out of this with
Speaker 10: poised for a great future, a lot of draft capital,
Speaker 10: a lot of cap space.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 10: And I'm lucky enough to be supported by an amazing
Speaker 10: ownership group, and obviously we think we're an attractive destination
Speaker 10: for for for the next generation of leadership.
Speaker 6: So there you go. I think the best thing you
Speaker 6: could say if you're a commander's fan. First of all,
Speaker 6: you got the number two overall picks, so you're gonna
Speaker 6: most like that helps bring in a quarterback. And this
Speaker 6: is not Daniel Snyder leading the charge. We don't know,
Speaker 6: I mean Panthers fans. We're gonna get to the Panthers
Speaker 6: in a second. Sometimes change doesn't necessarily equate to helping
Speaker 6: an organization, but it absolutely helps to get Snyder out
Speaker 6: of the building as they begin their latest rebuild here
Speaker 6: on the twenty first.
Speaker 5: And they have requested to talk to an absolute flood
Speaker 5: of people already for both coach and GM right.
Speaker 4: The thing that was interesting though, is they said they
Speaker 4: were looking for the head of football operations first, so
Speaker 4: they're just looking for someone to hire the other guys,
Speaker 4: but they're already starting the coaching interview, so that is
Speaker 4: a little confusing to me. Supposedly Raheem Morris, Ben Johnson,
Speaker 4: Aaron Glenn, possibly Jim Harbaugh, some people have said possibly Belichick.
Speaker 4: So those are some of the assistants, and then a
Speaker 4: bunch of GM candidates. A guy who went to the
Speaker 4: same high school I believe as one of the executives there,
Speaker 4: Adam Peters, who's with the forty nine ers, Alec Halliby
Speaker 4: with the Eagles, different assistant gms from around the league,
Speaker 4: so they're getting after it fast. Rick Spielman working at
Speaker 4: the thirty third team. I mean the thirty third team
Speaker 4: could have a little coaching tree here the website.
Speaker 3: There you go, and other news.
Speaker 6: So I mentioned the Panthers and it's been obviously a
Speaker 6: rocky year, really a dreadful year all the way around,
Speaker 6: with David Tepper at the front leading things, coming off
Speaker 6: a fine for throwing a drink on Jaguars fans and
Speaker 6: firing the head coach, and Bryce Young struggling through his
Speaker 6: rookie year and getting shut out again in week eighteen.
Speaker 6: So they got their starting from rubble right now. And
Speaker 6: it will not be Scott Fitterer involved with this as well.
Speaker 6: The man standing next to mister Tepper when that drink
Speaker 6: went flying was let go on Monday, So Scott fitter
Speaker 6: is out and they are just casting a wide net
Speaker 6: trying to get this thing going.
Speaker 4: It never makes sense to keep the GM, and that's
Speaker 4: part of what I'm wondering with this Washington thing.
Speaker 3: It's like your art.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's just they're sending the request, but I do
Speaker 4: think you want to time this all off. You're going
Speaker 4: to have a football ops guy, like you got to
Speaker 4: get that person in the building first, and then the GM,
Speaker 4: and sometimes you just pair the GM and coach and
Speaker 4: that's worked out too, Like less Need and Sean McVay
Speaker 4: had no previous history that worked out. Less Need was
Speaker 4: already in the building there. But Tepper does not give
Speaker 4: me much confidence. Josh Harris has already owned a sports team.
Speaker 4: And I know some Sixers fans would like disagree, but ultimately,
Speaker 4: you know they're a successful team. I mean the process
Speaker 4: was painful, but they worked out. They're one of the
Speaker 4: best teams in the league. And like, I don't I
Speaker 4: don't think people think he's a terrible owner.
Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be like the most interesting coaching
Speaker 5: pathway here because like there's te Tepper has been talking.
Speaker 5: We know that and it's not the day and well,
Speaker 5: it's like you like coaches that are smart, and like
Speaker 5: the Belichick really like literally wrote the book on this.
Speaker 5: I'm like, you don't go pair up with an owner
Speaker 5: that you don't feel partnered with empowered by. And it's
Speaker 5: like who's who's like putting the Panthers on the top
Speaker 5: of their list.
Speaker 3: They've got your saddle with Bryce Young.
Speaker 5: You don't know what's gonna go on there, like you're
Speaker 5: you don't know what's happening with the general manager, and
Speaker 5: like the owner feels about is hot and cold and
Speaker 5: all over the place.
Speaker 3: Is anyone in the entire league.
Speaker 5: I just think it's going to be very interesting to see,
Speaker 5: like who even decides to interview and who would get
Speaker 5: farther enough in the.
Speaker 3: Process to say yes.
Speaker 4: And they've already started asking people, not like, well, you know,
Speaker 4: chiefs VP of Operation, Brent Tillis, Buck's assistant.
Speaker 3: GM, Mike Greenberg, you're in.
Speaker 4: We're not going to necessarily know these names that well,
Speaker 4: but it sounds like they're starting with the GM and
Speaker 4: then moving on from After.
Speaker 6: That, Tepper released a statement, but we did not hear
Speaker 6: from him on Monday. Fitter had been the GM since
Speaker 6: twenty twenty one. He was part of the search committee
Speaker 6: that last offseason hired coach Frank Reich, who was let
Speaker 6: go after a one and ten start. So, yes, you
Speaker 6: could not be in a more rocky situation and money talks. Obviously,
Speaker 6: it's not the most fertile ground for someone to come
Speaker 6: out of the come out of the woodwork. But the
Speaker 6: one thing, Federer, the one thing that Tepper does have
Speaker 6: is more money than just about any owner in the NFL.
Speaker 6: So he's going to be throwing a lot at whatever
Speaker 6: candidates they decide they want to be, you know, rebooting with.
Speaker 4: That coaching staff under Frank Greg they love to brag,
Speaker 4: was the highest paid coaching staff in the history of
Speaker 4: the league. Like all the assistants were doing really well,
Speaker 4: and they only made it through one year. So those
Speaker 4: assistants that are still under contract, hopefully they get other
Speaker 4: jobs and then it's like.
Speaker 3: Do they get to double up or is it all?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think that's a real new rise that could be
Speaker 5: Like talked into the contract. I thought that you don't
Speaker 5: get paid, you don't double dip. Like if you're Frank
Speaker 5: Reich and you took another hot head coaching job.
Speaker 3: Well, Josh mccownt to find out he was the quarterback.
Speaker 5: So Frank Reik right now is like could be he
Speaker 5: could sit in the Bahamas for the next four years.
Speaker 4: Frank's double dipping, he indicated. I think he's he's had enough.
Speaker 3: I only goal.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying he's making enough money for the next
Speaker 5: five plus years. Matt Ruled a network in he can
Speaker 5: signed like an eight year contract under Tepper Right.
Speaker 6: And Matt Rule then signed like a seven billion dollar
Speaker 6: contract in Nebraska. Because that's what with these college guys.
Speaker 6: They go back to college. Yeah, they find great success
Speaker 6: and get paid like crazy. So again, see a lot
Speaker 6: of these coaches, they land on their feet, they bring
Speaker 6: their guys with them. Hopefully that's what happens with all
Speaker 6: these Panthers people just kind of fired off upon the hillside,
Speaker 6: all right. In other news, Mike Frable a lot of
Speaker 6: intrigue around Rabel, longtime Titans head coach. His he met
Speaker 6: with the Titans on Monday, and the reporting out there
Speaker 6: right now is that his future is uncertain. Greg give
Speaker 6: me a percentage chance that Rabel's back with Tennessee.
Speaker 4: Oh well, I don't know has he met with the
Speaker 4: Titans yet? I think Ian Rapport said that that meeting
Speaker 4: is coming. And just the fact that enough insiders are
Speaker 4: floating this out there, and Ian did it in a
Speaker 4: very professional way that made it sound like, you know,
Speaker 4: Mike Rabel likes Ran Karth on their GM, but you know,
Speaker 4: changes could.
Speaker 3: I don't know we're for a percentage. Oh, okay, that's good.
Speaker 4: Did you give me the percentage? No, I'll give it.
Speaker 4: I'm going to give it high because I think this
Speaker 4: is like a power play. This sounds like a power
Speaker 4: play move where Rabel is just trying to take as
Speaker 4: much control as possible.
Speaker 3: And I think they want to keep Rabel.
Speaker 4: But there was a report, uh again from I believe
Speaker 4: Diana Orsini, that said he'd be interested in the Patriots
Speaker 4: job if that but that this feels out of the
Speaker 4: power play handbook, which is like, we're going to make
Speaker 4: the Titans bend to my will if I'm Mike Rabel
Speaker 4: and get what I want, and he might want a
Speaker 4: little different structure in terms of the front office.
Speaker 5: He seemed agitated dating back to the AJ Brown trade.
Speaker 3: I mean, he was very like you could see him
Speaker 3: visually like.
Speaker 5: Annoyed in that during that draft process when they traded
Speaker 5: him away. And I would whenever I hear like coach
Speaker 5: and GM have some issues, it's just like I kind
Speaker 5: of automatically just buy that as that's absolutely true.
Speaker 3: And Rabel seems to.
Speaker 5: Like be slightly annoyed with the way that things have
Speaker 5: gone with the Titans behind the scenes for a while,
Speaker 5: and so I had put it at like sixty five percent.
Speaker 5: He stays, I think if the Patriots job came open,
Speaker 5: there's gonna be pursuit of him from Craft.
Speaker 4: I could see that potentially. Here's that My hot take
Speaker 4: is Mike Rabel someone to be excited about if you're
Speaker 4: a Patriots fan. We're five years in. I'm just thinking offense, offense, offense, offense.
Speaker 4: He's never found And it's the same reason why I
Speaker 4: don't think Belichick is the right guy to keep right now,
Speaker 4: because like he just hasn't had answers on offense. It's
Speaker 4: just been this old school sort of thinking and Rabel
Speaker 4: cycled through all these coordinators in Tennessee's never really hit
Speaker 4: on one. It's I just that's not what I want
Speaker 4: as a fan.
Speaker 3: Well quite frankly, That's why.
Speaker 6: I've been pushing back a little bit on the Antonio
Speaker 6: Pierce thing in general. And I have it with my
Speaker 6: own coach, a defensive coordinator, and sala like, if you
Speaker 6: don't have an offensive mind a place they can count on,
Speaker 6: Like I feel like a defensive coach only goes yeah,
Speaker 6: but so far.
Speaker 5: Like Frank Reich, Josh McDaniels. Sure, like Arthur Smith or
Speaker 5: three of the coaches that just completely fired and failed.
Speaker 3: Rabol's a good head coach. Those total disasters that head
Speaker 3: coach though in terms.
Speaker 5: Of but Rabel is a good like Yes, he's defensive minded,
Speaker 5: but Rabel is a good head coach. And I'd push
Speaker 5: back a little bit that when they had Derrick Henry,
Speaker 5: Tannelhill and AJ Brown, like they had something going on there.
Speaker 3: It's just they kind of aged out of it.
Speaker 6: Doesn't if he doesn't stay with the Titans, I'd be
Speaker 6: shocked if he didn't get another.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he I think he would be the bell
Speaker 4: of the ball and I think the Patriots would be interested.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, man, that offensive line was bad
Speaker 4: for four or five year and that I do want
Speaker 4: someone that is able to problem solve or like.
Speaker 5: A well, hence's annoyment with the previous GM and maybe
Speaker 5: the current one too though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's only been there for one year too, so
Speaker 4: I think that feels a little more personal or maybe
Speaker 4: just that very able doesn't.
Speaker 3: Like that's been reported juice.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and an arranged marriage that hasn't taken and that's been
Speaker 6: part of the drama. There in other news the Colts
Speaker 6: they missed out on the playoffs and heartbreaking fashion on
Speaker 6: Saturday night. But coach Shane Steiken is not planning to
Speaker 6: make any major changes to his coaching staff, and that
Speaker 6: includes defensive coordinator. There's been speculation around DC Gus Bradley,
Speaker 6: but Stiken said on Monday, I believe in continuity, I'll
Speaker 6: say that.
Speaker 3: He inherited Gus Bradley.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I would say that like for some of
Speaker 5: the defenses around the league where it's like we need
Speaker 5: to make a coordinator switch Green Bay other places, like
Speaker 5: I wouldn't point to the Cults in my top five
Speaker 5: of that list, like their defense was act even like
Speaker 5: an asset at times.
Speaker 3: I mean, Gus Bradley wasn't a big problem there.
Speaker 4: No, they've been fine. And then they worked together in
Speaker 4: San Diego too. That was San Diego right where Gus
Speaker 4: Bradley and Steichen were both there at the same time.
Speaker 4: He's a likable guy, Gus Bradley. He's always surviving, high energy.
Speaker 6: Don't don't look at his head coaching record in Jacksonville.
Speaker 6: I think it might be the worst percentage wise, but
Speaker 6: he is a good DC and has been for a
Speaker 6: long time now. In other news, a DC opening is
Speaker 6: open in the Meadowlands because the Giants have parted ways
Speaker 6: with Wink Martinel. It's being called a issue where Martinell
Speaker 6: resigned as the d C. But it is no secret
Speaker 6: that Wink and Brian Dabele, their relationship is the center
Speaker 6: of this.
Speaker 3: How this all went down.
Speaker 6: It was reported during the season that the two were
Speaker 6: in a quote bad place, and now Wink after, you know,
Speaker 6: he was really he was really celebrated as was Dable
Speaker 6: last year forget the Giants back to respectability. But the
Speaker 6: team sank to twenty seventh overall defense this year, even
Speaker 6: though they tied for the NFL lead and takeaways with
Speaker 6: thirty one.
Speaker 3: So Wink is a lifer.
Speaker 6: Wink will find a job as well, but he's done
Speaker 6: with Dable and company.
Speaker 3: These things change fast.
Speaker 4: Reports early this morning from our network from ESPN across
Speaker 4: the board sources saying the expectation is Don Wing Martindale
Speaker 4: will return. Hour two later, Brian Dabele gets on the
Speaker 4: podium is asked about it, says, yeah, I expect both
Speaker 4: Don Wink Martindale and Mike Kafka, my offensive coordinator, to return,
Speaker 4: and by the afternoon, the word is out they fired
Speaker 4: his assistance and he's resigned. They might have done the
Speaker 4: thing where they fired the rest of his staff, and
Speaker 4: then it was like, we'll keep you if you want,
Speaker 4: but they knew that he wouldn't do that, and he
Speaker 4: goes out a winner with a nice game plan stuffing
Speaker 4: the Eagles. Who knows, maybe the Eagles would want Wing
Speaker 4: Martindale next year or next week, like an upgrade from
Speaker 4: what they currently have.
Speaker 3: I like vic I think he could do the job.
Speaker 6: In other Giants news, by the way, Saquon Barkley skipped
Speaker 6: his exit interview telling reporters they know.
Speaker 3: How to reach me.
Speaker 6: So that sounds like, essentially there's a lot of speculation
Speaker 6: that Saquon's ready for a fresh start, and perhaps he
Speaker 6: is after playing that one year deal where a lot
Speaker 6: of drama around his contract, played through injury and had
Speaker 6: a nice season and he's probably looking for a fresh start,
Speaker 6: but you never know. Money talks us.
Speaker 4: He did all these good byes in the locker room
Speaker 4: and everything, and skipping the exit interview at samee they
Speaker 4: know how to reach me. Yeah, pretty strong stick that
Speaker 4: he was numb to them, possibly using the franchise tag
Speaker 4: and again, which actually, isn't that nat idea numb to it?
Speaker 3: Like he would deal with it.
Speaker 4: It's a lot of money, But excuse me, I don't
Speaker 4: think he's expecting a long term deal.
Speaker 3: Sounded like he wants out.
Speaker 5: It shows you how fast the regular season shot by,
Speaker 5: because I feel like we were just dealing with this
Speaker 5: like offseason draw in Saquon about.
Speaker 3: Four hours ago. The rosehal one oh one free agents.
Speaker 6: If Barkley ends up on that list, is he a
Speaker 6: top eight, top five?
Speaker 4: It's a really well right now because no tag has
Speaker 4: been issued. No, because it's a really good list right now.
Speaker 4: But he would be in the top fifteen, and that's
Speaker 4: where he was last year. And I think he looks
Speaker 4: even better than he did a year ago. Had a
Speaker 4: nice year.
Speaker 3: Put him on the Chiefs or something. Let's go, let's fly.
Speaker 6: Uh well maybe not the Chiefs. I would like to
Speaker 6: see him on it.
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 5: The Chiefs are now in old Patriots mode whenever a
Speaker 5: player becomes available, that's kind of spacey.
Speaker 6: Then I got a check on He's like, like, who's
Speaker 6: a who's a contender that really could use.
Speaker 3: A Saquon Barkley. Put him on one of those teams
Speaker 3: and let's see what happens.
Speaker 6: I like some Texans Bronx native all right, Texans, yeah
Speaker 6: they yeah.
Speaker 3: They could use the running back. Okay.
Speaker 6: In other Metal Lands news, the Jets had their end
Speaker 6: of season press conferences. Everybody spoke, including Aaron Rodgers, who
Speaker 6: told the reporters the number one thing the Jets need
Speaker 6: to do heading into next year is quote, flush the bulls,
Speaker 6: which I find interesting because Rogers is kind of at
Speaker 6: the center of so much of the bulls round this team.
Speaker 6: I mean, we were just coming off Jimmy kimmelgate and
Speaker 6: and the and all the every week and part of
Speaker 6: this is about the way our league is covered.
Speaker 3: But like every time he does.
Speaker 6: The McAfee interview, it's a storyline, and some of these
Speaker 6: storylines don't have traction, but then some do, like when
Speaker 6: he says that Jimmy Kimmel might be on the Epstein
Speaker 6: list that gets released and it becomes kind of an
Speaker 6: embarrassing situation, which, by the way, I didn't hear from
Speaker 6: the Jets on that. I heard Disney and ESPN spoke
Speaker 6: out and and McAfee did damage control on that, but
Speaker 6: I didn't hear anything from the Jets, which again reminds
Speaker 6: you the reason you didn't is because Aaron Rodgers runs
Speaker 6: the Jets. So the Jets aren't going apologize for Aaron
Speaker 6: Rodgers saying anything because Aaron Rodgers doesn't want them to anyway.
Speaker 6: Robert Saw Robert sala is the head coach, kind of
Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers kind of the head coach too. But here
Speaker 6: he is when asked about man he's entering year four
Speaker 6: without ever making the playoffs. Robert saw, they gave everybody
Speaker 6: a mulligan is next year kind of.
Speaker 3: All or nothing. You see next year as a playoffs
Speaker 3: or else rich some meaning.
Speaker 12: I always feel that way. I always feel like we
Speaker 12: need to win.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 12: It's, uh, this profession, it's a results oriented. No one
Speaker 12: really cares about process or progress. It's it's about winning
Speaker 12: and so so for me personally, I always expect to win.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just shifted completely into coach speak at
Speaker 3: this point. Yeah, he's agays.
Speaker 6: There's been times this year where he just didn't have
Speaker 6: answers and he would just like stare back the reporters
Speaker 6: with nothing to say. I thought Sol was exposed a
Speaker 6: little bit this year. But we'll see what happens with
Speaker 6: the quarterback.
Speaker 4: Given their setup, I think it's the right move to
Speaker 4: stay the course.
Speaker 5: Do you think it's the right move with Nathaniel Hackett,
Speaker 5: like I would say specifically. And that's the one thing
Speaker 5: where it feels toxic because.
Speaker 3: Nathaniel Hackett thinks it's nice to see you out here.
Speaker 3: It's obviously Aaron's boy.
Speaker 5: But it's like that, can't we look at the evidence
Speaker 5: to suggest that we need to make an upgrader.
Speaker 3: Change, but we're not going to. And that's what where
Speaker 3: it starts to feel ridiculous.
Speaker 4: And also, you know, Salla says, you know, in this business,
Speaker 4: you know it, the only thing that people care about
Speaker 4: is results, not progress, YadA YadA. He's eighteen and thirty three.
Speaker 4: Joe Douglas is twenty seven and fifty six. So they
Speaker 4: are getting a long leaf, yes, kind of an unprecedented leash.
Speaker 4: And I just I cringe with so many of Sola's
Speaker 4: press conferences now because you know, he also said yesterday,
Speaker 4: I think that they exercised a lot.
Speaker 6: Of demons this year. It's like, bro, what are you
Speaker 6: talking about? Because he beat Bill Belichick in Week eighteen.
Speaker 6: The worst Patriots teams of all time, like what other
Speaker 6: If you want to count that, I'll even give it.
Speaker 6: I'll be nice to you because the quarterback got hurt
Speaker 6: and play for. But tell me what other demons were
Speaker 6: exercised in your tenure since week one.
Speaker 5: I feel like we opened the door and in came
Speaker 5: a dude, I uh talking about.
Speaker 4: I got to give my old boss Florio some credit.
Speaker 4: I love his headline talking about Rogers. Here the headline,
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers urges Jets to shed bs uh, teases Tuesday
Speaker 4: ESPN appearance to talk Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 3: There you go, because yeah, Rogers said, I'm not going to.
Speaker 4: Talk to you guys about it to rich Semini, but
Speaker 4: watch on Tuesday.
Speaker 3: I will address it. Then.
Speaker 6: That's what That's part of what you signed up for.
Speaker 6: And I was willing and still am willing to live
Speaker 6: with it. But the what you were supposed to get
Speaker 6: is also Aaron Rodgers on the on the field. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's it still blows my mind that I get all this,
Speaker 6: but not the I'd never got to see him play
Speaker 6: on the field yet.
Speaker 3: And and here we are yet hard knock. That was
Speaker 3: an awesome, awesome run. It was a great summer all.
Speaker 6: Right in other news, Dennis Allen not a very popular
Speaker 6: man in New Orleans. Even after a strong close finish.
Speaker 6: The Saints finished nine and eight second in the NFC
Speaker 6: South did not make the playoffs though for the third
Speaker 6: straight year. However, Dennis Allen said at his end ofca's
Speaker 6: news conference that when asked if he expects to remain
Speaker 6: head coach, that is my expectation. Yes, So Dennis Allen,
Speaker 6: as of right now, he's feeling pretty safe. And since
Speaker 6: we're talking Saints, I'm really just I can't I can't
Speaker 6: get enough of Jameis Winston, who was the quarterback on
Speaker 6: the field when they are in a victory formation and
Speaker 6: then pivot into a handoff to get Jamal Williams's first
Speaker 6: touchdown of the year because he's been such a warrior
Speaker 6: for them. By the way, one take about that all right,
Speaker 6: like if you really feel Jamal deserves it, and he
Speaker 6: then line up in the I formation and run it
Speaker 6: to then also do the trick play though to Pearl
Speaker 6: Harvard on top that one, that's a bridge too far.
Speaker 6: But listen, Jameis Winston was at the controls, so what
Speaker 6: do you expect. Here's a little bit of Jamis after
Speaker 6: the game because he was holding court and he was
Speaker 6: enjoying himself, and I just I love listening.
Speaker 3: To him talk. Well.
Speaker 14: I apologize to Day because the play was was victory.
Speaker 3: But I also explained to d A it was a
Speaker 3: team decision.
Speaker 14: Yet and I think when you're at the team around
Speaker 14: and I actually got say, guys, like, what do you
Speaker 14: what do you want to do? We know how much
Speaker 14: ja mom means to this team, and I understood from
Speaker 14: DA's perspective, So I give him that, but didn't condone
Speaker 14: it at all.
Speaker 13: You know he didn't. However, Uh we decided as a.
Speaker 14: Team to do it, and we got an interception to
Speaker 14: the one yard linee you know, like so if if
Speaker 14: we were scored, what would have been disrespected?
Speaker 5: I I think it's the most enjoyable thing that's happened
Speaker 5: in months.
Speaker 3: I love he with all due respect.
Speaker 6: It's like the fool that doesn't realize really what he's
Speaker 6: saying is he's speaking that it's actually makes it worse
Speaker 6: for your coach after you already sold.
Speaker 3: Him out on the field.
Speaker 6: Then to be like to explain it to the media
Speaker 6: in a way that actually made does Ald come off worse?
Speaker 6: Like we decided as a team what we were going
Speaker 6: to do with no disrespect to DA. It's like, I
Speaker 6: don't know, man. And then to top it off, here
Speaker 6: is I just you want to talk about comedy? It
Speaker 6: got better, Mark, Because then there's some other journal who
Speaker 6: comes in. I don't know what his deal is. I
Speaker 6: don't know if he's a Satan beat writer or a
Speaker 6: Falcon's beat writer, or who he is.
Speaker 3: A Saints guy. I'll try to find the name.
Speaker 6: He starts to pontificate about his opinions and his feelings respectfully?
Speaker 13: Do you think we were great that? Well? You do
Speaker 13: have to play these guys twice a year, that's all.
Speaker 13: I'm saying. Music in the back, I know what I'm
Speaker 13: talking about. You know, somebody's got to fight these guys.
Speaker 11: Try to see here, that's all.
Speaker 13: How do you feel about it? To me? How you
Speaker 13: feel about it? Don't you feel good about it? Because
Speaker 13: you got to these guys twice a year?
Speaker 14: But what about it makes you not feel good about it?
Speaker 13: To kneeling up, we're asking my opinion, Yes, I think
Speaker 13: you should have kneeled it up. Okay, Well, I'm just
Speaker 13: telling you as respectfully is I can't you answered my
Speaker 13: question as respectfully as you and I not agree as.
Speaker 8: Respectfully as I can respects you just a meal.
Speaker 13: The entire team made that decision, Okay, so you disagree
Speaker 13: with that entire team, so thank you. No, I'm just
Speaker 13: thinking I'm being honest and respectful.
Speaker 3: And that's what I am doing, and that's what I
Speaker 3: am doing.
Speaker 6: And the siren and the club music going off in
Speaker 6: the background.
Speaker 3: I just can't make it up there.
Speaker 4: There was one part that was that part of that clip,
Speaker 4: and I recommend anyone find the whole three minutes. It's
Speaker 4: great where he was like, where he did kind of
Speaker 4: let the mask fall out a little bit, where he's like,
Speaker 4: so the you know, the first forty one points that
Speaker 4: didn't that make you upset? It was the last seven
Speaker 4: that did it. It was just like, I love it,
Speaker 4: but you know what I did think it was kind
Speaker 4: of telling. Many many Saints players have been tweeting out today,
Speaker 4: from Jamal williams Uh to your old friend mark ingram
Speaker 4: My dog Mark with a C to Jimmy Graham just
Speaker 4: how much they love Jamis Winston and and and that
Speaker 4: he's one of the best teammates ever. Here'sjoy Graham, This
Speaker 4: man is the best teammate ever had get off his back,
Speaker 4: loves the city, this game, and bodies everything you can ask.
Speaker 4: Was a rare situation. We all take responsibility. No one
Speaker 4: thought it would get out blown out of a portion.
Speaker 4: Also the Falcons, Yeah, that's what a lot of it is.
Speaker 6: The I think the robbery Listen, I would love to
Speaker 6: be friends with Jameis Winston. Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: win a playoff game before Jameis Winston does. Though, like there,
Speaker 6: I'm sure he's a great guy and a great teammate,
Speaker 6: but he is a goober man.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I kind of like, like, I know, I really enjoyed
Speaker 5: he's like goobery answered.
Speaker 3: He went through that conversation that respect.
Speaker 5: He's like Dennis Allen does not condone it. However, well,
Speaker 5: like doubling back into his own logic, it.
Speaker 4: Was over the second he goes, yeah, I apologize, but
Speaker 4: it was a team decision, which is so funny because
Speaker 4: like Tennis, Allen's the coach of the team and he's like, no,
Speaker 4: this is our team.
Speaker 6: But I don't does he realize does he realize in
Speaker 6: his in what he's saying that he is essentially selling out.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think they know he knows.
Speaker 4: I think he knows and this was I'm taking this
Speaker 4: from some of the writers that he knows he's not
Speaker 4: going to be back there, he knows he might not
Speaker 4: be a favorite at Dentis. I don't think any of
Speaker 4: these things are made in a vacuum. So when people
Speaker 4: saying like, then his.
Speaker 3: Alnd's lost a little bit of the control, I think
Speaker 3: that's true.
Speaker 4: I think, Oh, I mean, I think like Jamis is
Speaker 4: just saying, like, I'm out of here.
Speaker 6: We're gonna do whatever the hell we want, right, you
Speaker 6: know you could. I know everything's awesome. So I'm just
Speaker 6: saying that was kind of a messed up thing to do.
Speaker 6: That's all I hear that. I mean, I think the
Speaker 6: interview was awesome. Yeah, it makes I'm just saying I
Speaker 6: know that everything is always like, oh, it's so amazing.
Speaker 3: Everything is amazing.
Speaker 6: That was a tough, tough situation for Arthur Smith, a
Speaker 6: tough situation for the Falcons there at.
Speaker 3: The end of his tenure. And then, yes, you know.
Speaker 6: That there are elements of it that I would I'd
Speaker 6: be if it was your team, you'd be furious, but
Speaker 6: that way, but that's the rivalry. Also, the Falcons and
Speaker 6: the Saints, and it makes next to even more exciting.
Speaker 4: I think Falcons fans are so mad at that team.
Speaker 4: They were like, we deserve it, and I think we
Speaker 4: as fans, we would keep it all in perspective, which
Speaker 4: is part of what I enjoyed about Jamis as Yes,
Speaker 4: in the context of what went on, I guess it's
Speaker 4: a serious conversation, but it's not the most serious saying
Speaker 4: that has ever happened in the world.
Speaker 3: And you could almost see he was having a little
Speaker 3: fun with it.
Speaker 6: The wild eyes he has too. I love wild eyes.
Speaker 6: Jes says, all right, let's take a break and then
Speaker 6: we'll close the door on some regular season predictions and
Speaker 6: then get out of here.
Speaker 3: Yes, the familiar chimes chimes' is a harp. Those that
Speaker 3: seem more like a harp, what would you call that? Then?
Speaker 5: I've never played a harp, though, so that I'm not
Speaker 5: coming from a place of authority.
Speaker 3: A plucking and.
Speaker 6: That's a plucking of the strings of the harp, which
Speaker 6: means it could only mean one thing. It's new Horizons Monday. Greg,
Speaker 6: you were in a band. It was an acid, prog rock,
Speaker 6: emo outfit. Did you ever play the harp with Delaware.
Speaker 4: No, there were a variety of instruments. We had some
Speaker 4: talented musicians, Andy Moody, Kristin Hinkley, Jeff lash I was
Speaker 4: not a talented musician.
Speaker 3: What was your role?
Speaker 4: My sister in law, Karen, though, can play the cello.
Speaker 4: That's I don't know. Is that a harp, that's a cello.
Speaker 4: Your brother is a gifted guitarist.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, he is. He's a what do you call
Speaker 3: when you play a bunch of stuff? He is a
Speaker 3: in every man's instrument. But yes, guitar and piano certainly.
Speaker 6: Uh do you Perhaps you should have recruited him to
Speaker 6: Delaware and maybe you'd be touring the world right now.
Speaker 3: But his music is a little more refined below now.
Speaker 4: Back then, though, he was playing clubs and stuff with like,
Speaker 4: you know, white sneak type music. But yes, he did
Speaker 4: end up kind of conducting, writing classical music.
Speaker 6: He ended your brother an actual musician. What did he
Speaker 6: how old?
Speaker 3: He's older? Right? Five years older? Yeah? What was his
Speaker 3: first reaction when he told him that you were in
Speaker 3: a band.
Speaker 4: He was in college and couldn't have cared less and
Speaker 4: probably didn't ask me any questions for about a six year.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean he was off in Montreal doing it,
Speaker 3: but you were. You were like the lead singer, lead vocals. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was on totally. There was other people would sing,
Speaker 3: but yes I was the most were the principal songwriter
Speaker 3: of Delaware as well. No, Andy Moody was, but I
Speaker 3: was number two. We were kind of like Lennon McCartney.
Speaker 4: Sure, I would say Andy Moody quietly was the key
Speaker 4: behind the whole operation.
Speaker 3: But yes, I wrote some songs as well, such age
Speaker 3: give us a title.
Speaker 4: Nordic track. I remember that good one Nordic track.
Speaker 3: You closed the show with Nordick track. That's a big hit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: when will you release the tapes? Finally where we move on?
Speaker 3: I don't have the tapes, not aware of any tapes.
Speaker 5: Why did you write a song about a treadmill a society?
Speaker 3: Was this feeling like you're ocular tread and you can't
Speaker 3: get all.
Speaker 5: No, that's a good I'm wondering if that's you felt
Speaker 5: that way at that age that you were already on
Speaker 5: a treadmill despite being in an emo band.
Speaker 3: Was you're.
Speaker 4: You're just big fans of Nordichic. I think it was
Speaker 4: about it was a great piece of equipment.
Speaker 6: Was like, despite all my rage, I'm still just a
Speaker 6: rat in the cage. I think that was Greg's interpretation
Speaker 6: of that thematically. How do you know I'm a big
Speaker 6: fan of Delaware? You've never heard like a bar of it?
Speaker 3: Not yet. I will find some other song titles I'll
Speaker 3: go look for.
Speaker 6: All right, and again word the word is out on
Speaker 6: the streets. If you have any connection to the Bandelaware,
Speaker 6: which came out of Worcester, Mass in the late nineties
Speaker 6: early two thousands, and you have access to a tape,
Speaker 6: any type of.
Speaker 3: Dem Wibraham Mass, not Worcester close, we gotta find this.
Speaker 3: We gotta find this.
Speaker 5: Andrew Moody guy like it sounds like we've got a
Speaker 5: name Andrew Moody.
Speaker 6: Anybody connected to this band Delaware? Greg's brother Maybe Greg
Speaker 6: in a moment as a teenager, he looked to his
Speaker 6: big brother and said, hey, Dean, this is what I've
Speaker 6: been working on. And maybe he handed the tape over.
Speaker 6: The brother has a tape possible, Hayden Row he checked
Speaker 6: this out.
Speaker 3: Let me know what you think. It's it's our debut album,
Speaker 3: which was called how do You Want To Cooked? How
Speaker 3: do you want to cooked, I believe, fresh off the presses.
Speaker 3: Let us know what you think. Maybe that tape sitting somewhere. No,
Speaker 3: Dean had no injury.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, but you had any older siblings,
Speaker 4: but five years older. He was not too involved in
Speaker 4: what his high school brother doing Back then.
Speaker 5: He was like, I bet there's like a grainy VHS
Speaker 5: tape of someone who taped one of their concerts, like
Speaker 5: a backyard type of situation sitting out there, like.
Speaker 6: Play Boston Garden or something. It's got to be something
Speaker 6: out there. We've spent a lot of time on this. Well,
Speaker 6: it's the most important thing we've talked about today. All right,
Speaker 6: let's get into our over unders. Okay, So before the
Speaker 6: season started, we did ap with Barnwell, which is a
Speaker 6: tradition where we each picked I believe, four teams and
Speaker 6: based the over unders off draft kings before the season started.
Speaker 6: So let's go through each of ours. We'll start with
Speaker 6: the Zazzer. Let's see how I did this year, and
Speaker 6: you can check this out on YouTube. I went two
Speaker 6: and two, all right, so I hit the over on
Speaker 6: the Browns. Look at your Brown's optimism. I am always
Speaker 6: in on the brown nine and a half All throughout
Speaker 6: the summer. I was in on the Browns, I thought,
Speaker 6: and a lot of that is I liked Nick Chubb
Speaker 6: and Deshaun Watson bouncing back. Obviously they had a big
Speaker 6: year without either of those two men for the most part.
Speaker 6: But I hit the over there. This one I had
Speaker 6: to sweat out a little bit the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 6: But the Titans, I hit the under, which was seven
Speaker 6: and five, and I'm looking back and remembering that that
Speaker 6: that was the one I was the least confident about.
Speaker 6: In fact, I really wished I would have taken the over.
Speaker 6: But as it worked out, where did they go?
Speaker 3: They got six and eleven by a game and a half.
Speaker 6: And the Browns went eleven and six, So I hit
Speaker 6: that easily. I lost my last two, so I went
Speaker 6: two and two. The Buccaneers, I hit the under. I
Speaker 6: was not high on Baker and the Bucks this year.
Speaker 6: They end up getting to nine wins and winning their division.
Speaker 6: And then the Jets. I'm you know, that's not fair.
Speaker 6: It was nothing fair about the Jets, but Rogers gets hurt.
Speaker 6: So I hit the I wanted to hit the over
Speaker 6: at nine and a half, but didn't come close. To
Speaker 6: Jets finished seven and ten, so two and two.
Speaker 3: It's interesting.
Speaker 4: I think the Bucks under they were predicted to come
Speaker 4: and last behind the Panthers. Panthers were seven and a half.
Speaker 4: They were at six and a half.
Speaker 5: Well, they showed kind of promise last year and then
Speaker 5: added a first round pick.
Speaker 6: All right, let's move to Greg, who's had a big
Speaker 6: year with all sorts of predictions this year. Oh stop it, Greg,
Speaker 6: Greg won four and oh says dog. I got to
Speaker 6: say something Greg. First of all, before we get into this.
Speaker 3: I'm happy for Greg.
Speaker 6: I'm impressed I and you know, I've always been very
Speaker 6: complimentary of your great knowledge of the game.
Speaker 3: And your passion for it.
Speaker 6: But I've also been doing this with you for a
Speaker 6: decade and I want, I just want you to appreciate this, okay,
Speaker 6: because you've never been like this year, with whether it's
Speaker 6: the game picks or what we're back. You were on
Speaker 6: a heater this year, and I just I just hope
Speaker 6: do you appreciate I am appreciated.
Speaker 4: That's why I was honking so much last night and
Speaker 4: teasing my potential timer because I know it will not continue.
Speaker 3: It will be like this is amazing. It's dark days,
Speaker 3: what is your record?
Speaker 4: I will say, of all the of any of the predictions,
Speaker 4: game debut or the locks or whatever, I think the
Speaker 4: over unders. Still luck is maybe the most important factor,
Speaker 4: but I think it's the it's the one, it's the
Speaker 4: least amount of life. I think these are the ones
Speaker 4: I would care about the most.
Speaker 6: Because I think you went sixteen and two or seventeen
Speaker 6: and two in the locks, and you went four and oh,
Speaker 6: so let's go through them. You took the Panthers under,
Speaker 6: which was a home run seven and a half, and
Speaker 6: they end up, of course two and fifteen, the worst
Speaker 6: team in football. You always down on the Giants, so
Speaker 6: you bang the under at seven and a half and
Speaker 6: the Giants almost come and get you with it.
Speaker 3: Only got sex.
Speaker 6: But yes, but I think they were one and seven
Speaker 6: and one point. They had a nice second half all
Speaker 6: things considered.
Speaker 3: Those two were good. The other two were more lucky.
Speaker 6: You bang that one and you hit it well. The
Speaker 6: Bears you had seven and a half on the man,
Speaker 6: you really are you stilling it this year?
Speaker 3: Fuddy?
Speaker 6: They were seven and nine going into Week eighteen, and
Speaker 6: then everybody was optimistic about that Packers game. But they
Speaker 6: get beat so they stay at seven wins. So you
Speaker 6: hit that at seven and a half and the Bill,
Speaker 6: you son of a god. The Bills down in the
Speaker 6: fourth quarter on Sunday Night football, sitting at staring at
Speaker 6: ten and seven.
Speaker 4: At six and six, they needed to win five streets
Speaker 4: to get that.
Speaker 6: Over, and you hit the ten and a half over
Speaker 6: behind a five game winning streak to get to eleven
Speaker 6: and six.
Speaker 3: Bravo, sir, well done, Greg. I mean, I what can
Speaker 3: you say, Mark, I.
Speaker 5: Don't have anything else to say. It's I'm very I said,
Speaker 5: I'm excited for Greg.
Speaker 6: I mean, if I honestly and you guys know this,
Speaker 6: if I ever had the season Greg had, that would
Speaker 6: be it. I'm gone. I am, I am going. I'm
Speaker 6: taking a radio about somewhere in Long Island.
Speaker 3: How is this naked? I?
Speaker 5: Why do I feel like I probably went oh and
Speaker 5: four to balance this out?
Speaker 13: Well?
Speaker 3: I went to and too.
Speaker 4: He was mentally tracking throughout the year. I have to
Speaker 4: admit they didn't matter to me.
Speaker 3: I was by the way I had all this.
Speaker 6: Greg's children advanced the finals against each other in their
Speaker 6: fantasy football league.
Speaker 5: It's nothing if not impressed of opulence.
Speaker 4: Unbelievable game, deviut Curious finished off the regular season title
Speaker 4: there too, part over a centur some very difficult Greg.
Speaker 6: I am impressed and just filled with rage to be
Speaker 6: this close to greatness but not have it myself.
Speaker 3: Good for you, sir.
Speaker 6: So you say two and two for Zeuser four and
Speaker 6: oh for Greg, you're saying that naturally you would have
Speaker 6: to go.
Speaker 3: Zero and four. I mean, I'm just suggesting that's the
Speaker 3: narrative of this show. So probably that in that. But
Speaker 3: he can't make up what you went? No narrative? All right? No,
Speaker 3: I mean my own narrative that I created. All right,
Speaker 3: Sess what'd you do? Oh?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Are you? He went on and four? Oh? Everyone check
Speaker 3: us out on YouTube.
Speaker 4: We've got fancy graphics and most important, you could have
Speaker 4: Mark's facial reaction to this. And I've heard from some
Speaker 4: people last week they didn't even know we were on YouTube.
Speaker 5: A also go think all right, so sess, dog Craig
Speaker 5: gets the pitching for the show too.
Speaker 3: I look at I let's go through it. Okay. Yeah?
Speaker 6: So you h Bangley under on the Ravens, who obviously
Speaker 6: the a best team in football, finished thirteen and four.
Speaker 6: You saw them as going under ten and a half.
Speaker 5: I thought they'd be like a playoff team maybe, but
Speaker 5: and then you went under ten and a half.
Speaker 6: That and I remember this having this conversation because I
Speaker 6: took the Browns over. You took the Rounds under nine
Speaker 6: and a half. And of course they win eleven and
Speaker 6: they're going to the playoffs. So maybe that was kind
Speaker 6: of protecting yourself a little bit. But you lost that.
Speaker 6: You have the Chiefs over. Oh, this one's annoying.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't hate that I did that back then.
Speaker 6: The Chiefs they've been almost they almost always hit the over.
Speaker 3: Greg right, eleven. I believe they had hit it for
Speaker 3: the last like six straight years. Right. This was the
Speaker 3: different market picked him.
Speaker 6: Yes, And just like I took Mahomes I think third
Speaker 6: in my fantasy draft before Christian McCaffrey. This was the
Speaker 6: year everything changed. The Chiefs over eleven and a half.
Speaker 6: They have the worst eleven win season that I can
Speaker 6: remember for any team. Uh so you get ding done
Speaker 6: that and then I mean, the the optimism around the
Speaker 6: Falcons was real. You had the over eight and a
Speaker 6: half and they finished what.
Speaker 3: Seven and ten? That's for the third year in a row.
Speaker 5: I got pulled into Falcons Land, you know, plus these
Speaker 5: other lands.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how about that with Arthur Smith? Three straight, seven
Speaker 4: and tens. That's so we finished five hundred as a group.
Speaker 4: If you look at it that way. I like that.
Speaker 4: How about that mark? You're only as good as your
Speaker 4: weakest link.
Speaker 3: So Greg unbelievable. I'm uncomfortable with Dan saying these things.
Speaker 6: I'm uncomfortable. I just I've never been around someone that's
Speaker 6: been this hot. I think you missed one rain maker
Speaker 6: all year.
Speaker 4: I think that was four and one, Yeah, that I
Speaker 4: lost track of. But yeah, something like that.
Speaker 5: How can we monetize, Greggs, I'd say, leave the NFL
Speaker 5: and move to Las Vegas.
Speaker 4: Well, we're not allowed to do any of this stuff.
Speaker 4: We're not allowed.
Speaker 3: I didn't say beat. We monetize. That's how I would monetize.
Speaker 4: But before I came here, you know, I did some
Speaker 4: of that, and you you you would have. You know,
Speaker 4: you want to have some big years. You're not gonna
Speaker 4: have a big year every year. You want to like
Speaker 4: survive in the years that aren't big years and then
Speaker 4: have some big years.
Speaker 3: And this is a big year. There. You got advice
Speaker 3: for me to take.
Speaker 6: Let's check now, let's check in on our running back draft,
Speaker 6: which was obviously a source of major consternation. Now this
Speaker 6: is one place where Greg somehow comes out on top.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 6: I'm walking out of here because Greg famously butchered the
Speaker 6: draft back in June.
Speaker 3: But now we could use insights now even evaluate.
Speaker 6: Let's start. Let's do the same thing. Let's go Dan first.
Speaker 6: Let's see what I got. All right, so I had
Speaker 6: Nick Chubb wolf But you know, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 6: Austin Eckler?
Speaker 3: Hold on? He can't?
Speaker 5: We can we view Nick Chubb as who he really
Speaker 5: is versus the season he had.
Speaker 6: Well, let's just look at it through the prism of
Speaker 6: the season for now. But because I yeah, obviously Chubb
Speaker 6: is an all.
Speaker 3: Time seventy yards, didn't score a touch and.
Speaker 6: Then blew out his knee in hideous fashion on a
Speaker 6: Thursday night in October, I believe was Austin Eckler.
Speaker 3: I don't know what happened to Eckler. That's a miss.
Speaker 3: He totally fell off the map.
Speaker 6: Josh Jacobs another guy I started very slowly and then
Speaker 6: started to find himself, had some big games and then
Speaker 6: got hurt at the end of the year and then
Speaker 6: Breis Hall. Of the four, this is the one I
Speaker 6: was least comfortable with. He ends up going over fifteen
Speaker 6: hundred yards of total offense for the Jets, a very
Speaker 6: bad offense pick if this is bad, so yeah, so
Speaker 6: obviously hit on Haul and then Chubb.
Speaker 3: What are you gonna do? But Eckler and Jacobs I
Speaker 3: missed on.
Speaker 6: They just didn't have great years, all right, So not
Speaker 6: that not that hot for Zuzzer. Okay, let's go to
Speaker 6: Greg Rosenthal, all right, Bijon Robinson who very frustrating year
Speaker 6: for Bijon did have moments, including a long touchdown reception
Speaker 6: in week eighteen, but not the guy we all thought
Speaker 6: he was going to be. Alvin fourteen a miss touchdowns though,
Speaker 6: did he have fourteen hundred from scrimmage?
Speaker 3: Not a total, not a miss or anything.
Speaker 6: Not a miss, I think, but not a big we
Speaker 6: were expecting him to be, you know, a seismic lanb
Speaker 6: not his fault though, not his fault.
Speaker 3: I think he has huge years ahead of him.
Speaker 6: Alvin Kamara, suspended to start the year, had a steady year,
Speaker 6: but he's not the same guy anymore.
Speaker 3: He's he was okay, he was.
Speaker 4: Fine eleven and sixty yards and six touchdowns, again from scrimmage,
Speaker 4: not rushing right.
Speaker 6: In fact, he is three straight years. I read this,
Speaker 6: He's been under four yards of carry for three straight years,
Speaker 6: which you don't.
Speaker 3: See a lot. So Kamara has fallen off a little bit.
Speaker 6: Jonathan Taylor a guy who obviously started with a contract
Speaker 6: hold out and everything the injury about that.
Speaker 3: He warmed up as the season went along.
Speaker 6: So Taylor and then Aaron Jones, who did nothing for
Speaker 6: the first two and a half months of the season
Speaker 6: but finished strong with three hundred yard games.
Speaker 3: Pretty good, pretty good.
Speaker 5: Group that looks better than it looks a lot better
Speaker 5: than it did at other times during the season though,
Speaker 5: because Taylor became I.
Speaker 4: Was very negative afterwards and people came at me, and
Speaker 4: in the end they were fine.
Speaker 6: This solid job mark coming off the four, right, let's
Speaker 6: win this running back draft.
Speaker 3: You can't I know, I know one of them is right.
Speaker 3: Let's see, let's check out marks four.
Speaker 6: And he had the first pick I remember, and he
Speaker 6: had Christian McCaffrey, so that's a big win.
Speaker 3: And Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 6: So McCaffrey had maybe his best year, which is saying
Speaker 6: something incredible and might be the offensive Player of the
Speaker 6: year as a result, Saquon Barkley slowed down, banged up
Speaker 6: down the stretch. But I really thought Barkley had a
Speaker 6: good season overall, bad team, you know, bad team.
Speaker 4: Two hundred yards from scrimmage, ten touchdowns, so like a
Speaker 4: better Camara, but he just looked better if you just
Speaker 4: watched it. Like the numbers are similar, but he was better.
Speaker 6: Derrick Henry, like Alvin Kamaros, it's pretty clear that he's
Speaker 6: not the same dude, but you saw even in Week
Speaker 6: eighteen that he still has juice in the tank.
Speaker 3: And then he'll get a job next year.
Speaker 6: And I think he's a Hall of Famer, so a
Speaker 6: nice guy to have there.
Speaker 3: And then Ramadre.
Speaker 6: Stevenson, who quietly because I had him on my fantasy team,
Speaker 6: I remember tracking him. He was like all the bad
Speaker 6: stuff going around the Patriots. He was the one guy
Speaker 6: that was steadily just going about his business and I
Speaker 6: thought he was having a pretty good year until.
Speaker 3: Got a high ankle sprain. Yeah, ended his year. Mark.
Speaker 3: If you won the around the NFL running back strap,
Speaker 3: give it to you, Mark, Yeah, I think I think,
Speaker 3: so give it up. Thank you, this is your life.
Speaker 5: I wish I could feel as much in the victory
Speaker 5: that I know Greg feels in winning the things.
Speaker 3: They got to take a shot, but no, I'm not
Speaker 3: taking a shot at all. I really not. It's just
Speaker 3: like it's I don't know where it's supposed to carry me. Unbelievable,
Speaker 3: emotionally unbelievable.
Speaker 6: Finally, before we say goodbye, let's go through the go
Speaker 6: get my lunch props. Ready, sest dog, we none of
Speaker 6: us really had a very good year. Yeah with this one,
Speaker 6: So sess dog, here were your predictions. A kicker breaks
Speaker 6: the record for longest field goal that's more than sixty
Speaker 6: six yards during a Titans Ravens game in London. Nope,
Speaker 6: lost two sandwiches there, Rams Trade Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 3: You were very hot, I was.
Speaker 6: You were very down on the Rams Yep, very hot
Speaker 6: on Stafford being moved. He obviously didn't move and then
Speaker 6: had a huge year. He lost three sandwiches there, including
Speaker 6: till Lakeisha Dak Prescott his bench for perform Orman's reasons.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, these are huge. Whoa, that's a bit
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 5: You have to remember, like like when I create these,
Speaker 5: like the Stafford one, not so much, but like I'm
Speaker 5: doing this for the show like I like Showman.
Speaker 3: I mean this Shamo. You're believing that Dak Preslett's going
Speaker 3: to be bad. I think there is a world where
Speaker 3: he was great.
Speaker 5: I think things could have gone real south for the
Speaker 5: Cowboys maybe and Dak gets caught in like the crosshairs
Speaker 5: of it all, and that did not happen on there's
Speaker 5: probably around.
Speaker 6: The time of the Trey Lance trade. So in your
Speaker 6: mind you're like, oh, then they'll play Trey Lance or something. Yeah,
Speaker 6: weird stuff happens. And then finally a Star QB loses
Speaker 6: at least one start to see now this is the
Speaker 6: cesstog ones. The other ones are just predictions gone awry.
Speaker 6: A Star QB loses at least one start due to
Speaker 6: an off field incident involving a problematic individual dressed in
Speaker 6: a costume anything it looks like. According to Nick Fortier,
Speaker 6: who runs Go get my Lunch dot Orgon does an
Speaker 6: incredible job at it.
Speaker 3: Thank you Nick. That cost you three sandwiches as well,
Speaker 3: is it?
Speaker 5: So that ends with that ended with yesterday's Bill's Dolphins game.
Speaker 3: We'll give you the playoffs about that. Less acts over
Speaker 3: here and.
Speaker 5: It has to be a can it be a player
Speaker 5: who's not you know, not currently anything like.
Speaker 6: The loosest calibration of this. We'll give it to you,
Speaker 6: Greg Rosenthal. Justin Herbert finishes higher in MVP voting than
Speaker 6: Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4: We don't know yet, but I will lose two on
Speaker 4: that because they neither will get a vote zero.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's a loss. The Lions win the NFC North.
Speaker 6: You got that, very good guy. You guys took me
Speaker 6: up on that, took you.
Speaker 3: Up on it. Mac Jones finished. This is when I
Speaker 3: teased on the Sunday Show.
Speaker 6: Mac Jones finishes ahead of Daniel Jones in the QB Index,
Speaker 6: which Dan and Mark took you up on. And apparently
Speaker 6: when Shook puts together the final version will have every quarterback.
Speaker 6: And I do not imagine even though Daniel Jones didn't
Speaker 6: do squat this year, that Jones would be ahead of him.
Speaker 3: So that might be at the very bottom.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna lose that, which is you know, right, Church wrong, Pew.
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones, out of sixty eight starters, will probably not
Speaker 4: be in the top forty, but he will be ahead
Speaker 4: of Mac Jones.
Speaker 3: There's no way.
Speaker 5: Let's see how far apart the ar because it shouldn't
Speaker 5: be too too far, all right, So like you were
Speaker 5: down on the rams, I just had this like weird
Speaker 5: feeling about the Lions flopping, which was obviously wrong because
Speaker 5: I have the Lions never claim sole possession of first
Speaker 5: place in the NFC North and they win on Thursday
Speaker 5: night against the.
Speaker 6: Chiefs historically bad Darius drops all those balls and they
Speaker 6: get beat by one point. So they won the North.
Speaker 6: So let alone one day. They were there every day
Speaker 6: pretty much, or was it every day? Did they ever
Speaker 6: fall out of first place on that division?
Speaker 3: No? I don't think they did. No wire to wire
Speaker 3: the Big Old.
Speaker 6: If you to Daddy Rich, DeVante Adams or Mike Evans
Speaker 6: will be traded prior to the twenty twenty three trade deadline.
Speaker 3: Oh I like that one, but it just because I
Speaker 3: was thinking.
Speaker 6: You're the Bucks crash Raiders, bad Bucks, bad Davante.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sovante was like talking a lot back then. Things seen.
Speaker 6: I think one or both of those guys aren't a
Speaker 6: new team next year.
Speaker 3: But that was not the wager.
Speaker 6: So it cost me to JJ Watt plays in twenty
Speaker 6: twenty three.
Speaker 3: Who I took you up on that?
Speaker 6: Only Greg though took me up at the mark you
Speaker 6: stayed away. I love when the stayaways happened.
Speaker 3: Because I think that made like some interesting sense.
Speaker 6: I don't know, but by the way, there's still a
Speaker 6: few weeks left and TJ watches got hurt.
Speaker 3: Maybe the Steelers pick up the phone. JJ did break
Speaker 3: that news that he's out for these two games, and
Speaker 3: he's such a Steelers what if?
Speaker 6: What if JJ filled in for Nick for two weeks
Speaker 6: until he came back or TJ.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's such a Steelers thing to do. How
Speaker 3: about naming your kids JJ and TJ. How about that? Well?
Speaker 5: Or you or you name them what they're, what they
Speaker 5: stand for. And then they decided they weren't into those names,
Speaker 5: and you know, condensed all right.
Speaker 6: So I wasn't in on the Falcons, but I did
Speaker 6: believe in Bijon enough to say Nick Chubb or Bjeon
Speaker 6: Robinson lead the NFL and rushing Chubb. We discussed blow
Speaker 6: out his knee Bejeon was trapped in.
Speaker 3: I didn't take you up on that, which was stupid.
Speaker 3: I was. I was all in on Bijon. Uh, this
Speaker 3: one is right.
Speaker 6: Nick has this listed as a loss, but I don't
Speaker 6: know why Tom Brady is commenting commentating games for five
Speaker 6: by twenty twenty four. There's a report just came out
Speaker 6: that he's working on it, and it's.
Speaker 3: By twenty twenty four.
Speaker 6: Right this season, he needs to do it this upcoming
Speaker 6: season twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: I no longer would have taken that.
Speaker 4: I'm hoping we are right, Mark, But it starts the
Speaker 4: signs are looking poor, and then this is.
Speaker 6: This is kind of a cess dog one which I
Speaker 6: like the birds. Remember the birds falling out of the
Speaker 6: sky in Mexico.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, sory. It happened during super Bowl Week.
Speaker 6: I said that will be the first of several unexplained
Speaker 6: phenomenon over the next two years. So I have until
Speaker 6: next February on that one. So that one, I guess
Speaker 6: is just sitting out there.
Speaker 3: Still. Did that get created like at some other time
Speaker 3: that was created?
Speaker 6: I think super Bowl Week because it happened like a
Speaker 6: couple days before the game, and my cousin Mike I
Speaker 6: brought to the Super Bowl, who's a big UFO and
Speaker 6: conspiracy guy, And remember going down a wormhole with him
Speaker 6: in the hotel room in Arizona that I was pretty
Speaker 6: hot to trot about more stuff happening.
Speaker 3: But you know, maybe it does. Maybe it has.
Speaker 6: Any other conspiracy tinfoil people out there, let me know
Speaker 6: if I've missed anything in the past.
Speaker 4: Long I'm sure people can come up with them several
Speaker 4: unexplained phenomenon if they just want to.
Speaker 6: And Mark, you did not true to form, take me
Speaker 6: up on that. But Greg, of course, Dad, He's like, Ah,
Speaker 6: there is no such thing as I'll expin for a
Speaker 6: something like that.
Speaker 5: I don't like the two year part of it. I
Speaker 5: think that's why I didn't get attached to that.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: Eric Roberts. Now, the producers have a famously messy reputation
Speaker 6: when it comes They never win a sandwich prop However,
Speaker 6: the Bills outsack and out intercept the Jets.
Speaker 3: I like this one, And where do we come down
Speaker 3: on it? Oh? You got it?
Speaker 11: No it Bills eighteen interceptions, Jets seventeen ten this season.
Speaker 11: Oh stop it. So it was the I on the
Speaker 11: wrapt the wrap one not only locked up the East Division?
Speaker 3: What I so of them?
Speaker 11: We were going back and forth actually about the Jets
Speaker 11: defense kind of balling out in that game against the
Speaker 11: Patriots and the Bills outsacked the Jets fifty four to
Speaker 11: forty eight.
Speaker 4: So wait, as it says you lost it here.
Speaker 3: I think it was mistaken. I don't know.
Speaker 6: He has some data points there that don't appear to
Speaker 6: be accurate.
Speaker 3: Yep, So they were close. It was close. I think
Speaker 3: you hit it.
Speaker 11: I think the Bills went into Week eighteen like plus
Speaker 11: thirteen in sacks, but the Jets and play that week
Speaker 11: and then yeah, there was a two interception swing in
Speaker 11: the Jets game, so they actually went into the final
Speaker 11: game of season down one, but then that wrap one. Yeah,
Speaker 11: so big win for me. Guys, Let's give some of
Speaker 11: everything coming up. Everything's coming up, and I have a kid.
Speaker 6: Three sangwiches he gets, and that is honestly, that is
Speaker 6: a big deal because.
Speaker 3: The producers never win.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but the producers are each different individual people, so
Speaker 5: it's not going to predict how Eric would do.
Speaker 11: I'm just saying historically, they's this was coming out of
Speaker 11: hard knock seasons, so we spent a lot of time
Speaker 11: watching the Jets, me and you getting pumped up in defense.
Speaker 11: So I thought something okay, good, you know, something tracked
Speaker 11: throughout the year and actually came down to the wires
Speaker 11: and they were.
Speaker 6: Two good defenses. And the Bills statistically in those categories.
Speaker 4: When that interception, Eric, were you aware that that was winning?
Speaker 4: You saying yes, Wow, I wish we knew that.
Speaker 11: That is what a moment because me and Dan we're
Speaker 11: talking about it and I don't think yeah. And then
Speaker 11: I knew there was a swing because of the two
Speaker 11: in the morning game, and then that was good.
Speaker 3: There was the one in two.
Speaker 6: I'm a little surprised that the Bills outsacked the Jets.
Speaker 6: Jets had a lot of guys that were like around six, seven,
Speaker 6: eight sacks. I didn't realize Buffalo's pass rush with no
Speaker 6: Von Miller was that fierce. But good for you. Were
Speaker 6: they top five?
Speaker 11: Let's see here the sacks where they would be one, two, three, four,
Speaker 11: fifty four behind Dolphins with fifty six, Chiefs with fifty seven,
Speaker 11: and Rams with sixty and then the Jets were somewhere
Speaker 11: down towards the middle.
Speaker 3: Interesting. Okay, and one more.
Speaker 6: This one's not official, but we got a major hit
Speaker 6: from Lakeisha. Speaking of Alakeisha, we did a NFL Plus
Speaker 6: that's coming up a little bit later this month where
Speaker 6: we're going through all the Super Bowls in recent years,
Speaker 6: and we talked about the incredibly difficult super Bowl around
Speaker 6: Chris's passing. But we talk about Chris and the that
Speaker 6: Bucks Chief super Bowl and then a great video that
Speaker 6: Lakeisha made a letter she wrote to Chris, you got
Speaker 6: to check out NFL Plus when that drops, and also
Speaker 6: on daz own if that's how you get it overseas
Speaker 6: out in international territories. But Lakeisha had a wager when
Speaker 6: she was on the show to this one. Lamar Jackson
Speaker 6: finishes top three in MVP voting and guess what, all
Speaker 6: three of us took her up on it.
Speaker 3: A little surprising, Greggy. I think, just in the spirit of.
Speaker 6: Forget about top three, he might win it unanimously.
Speaker 5: And Lakeisha's mom one of the bigger Lamar Jackson around,
Speaker 5: And I think Lamar Jackson kind of brought Lakeisha's mom
Speaker 5: into football.
Speaker 6: That's absolutely right. She loves Lamar. She loves Lamar. Oh,
Speaker 6: we got a clay bound one too. Jalen Rager had
Speaker 6: over forty.
Speaker 11: Catches in twenty twenty when was this If you recall
Speaker 11: that was that was come down.
Speaker 4: If I had known that, I would have enjoyed the
Speaker 4: bizarre Jets Patriots game on Sunday where Jalen Rager was
Speaker 4: suddenly the Patriots number one receiver. Regretted that out he
Speaker 4: did not come close to forty It's seven, okay.
Speaker 6: Seven catches for Jalen Rager. Getting behind the Pats offense
Speaker 6: is always a tricky proposition, all right. So there you go.
Speaker 6: There are sandwich props. Maybe we'll do a couple Super
Speaker 6: Bowl week we tend to do that. We make one
Speaker 6: Super Bowl prediction and that's it. So here's the rest
Speaker 6: of the week. On Wednesday, we're gonna have Connie Fox
Speaker 6: back with us, how about that? And we're going to
Speaker 6: give out our awards for the twenty twenty three season
Speaker 6: and then start looking ahead to Super wild Card weekend
Speaker 6: on Thursday when we preview all the games on Saturday,
Speaker 6: Sunday and Monday.
Speaker 3: Anything else, boys, I think we covered it. This is
Speaker 3: a big week.
Speaker 6: Good job, good job everybody. Thank you everybody for listening.
Speaker 6: And remember
Speaker 3: When all else is lost, it's a new Horizon Heat
Speaker 3: the car